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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to episode number thirty four of The

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Speaker 1: Hunting Collective. I'm Bet O'Brien in today. I am in Kona, Hawaii,

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Speaker 1: at the home of legendary surfer and all around badass

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Speaker 1: Shane Dorian. Shane's a great friend of mine, somebody I

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Speaker 1: admired greatly for his the way he raises his kids,

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Speaker 1: the way he lives his life, all the achievements he's

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Speaker 1: had a long career and surfing and the things he

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Speaker 1: still does today. But one of my favorite things about

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Speaker 1: the guy is that he loves bow hunting and that's

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Speaker 1: really all he thinks about. It's all he thinks about,

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Speaker 1: and it's the most exciting thing in his life right

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Speaker 1: now besides his wife and kids. And if he could

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Speaker 1: hunt every day, I'm pretty sure this guy would and

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Speaker 1: hopefully that comes through an episode number thirty four of

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Speaker 1: the podcast. We were on Hawaii to run around, have

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Speaker 1: a good time with our bows and tow and it

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Speaker 1: was a memorable experience to be there with Shane. So

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Speaker 1: without further ado, Shane Dorian. Hey, Shane Dorian, Hi, Hi,

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Speaker 1: how you doing man? Hi? Ben O'Brien, how are you?

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Speaker 1: We're doing a podcast, aren't we are. We've been talking

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Speaker 1: about doing this podcast for like a long time to

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Speaker 1: be bothering you really Like, You're like, I just want

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Speaker 1: to hunt. I'm like, we gotta record us talking. I guess,

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Speaker 1: I guess in truth, I've been avoiding doing this podcast

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Speaker 1: for a pretty long time. Yeah, yeah, it's been I

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Speaker 1: finally just like hunting. You down to do this, but

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Speaker 1: you just like nowadays, you just like to go hunting, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not you don't want to be your

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Speaker 1: own podcasts or be photographed or be made to do things.

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Speaker 1: You just want to hunt. But if it means I

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Speaker 1: get to go hunting, I will. Yeah, that's it sacrifice.

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Speaker 1: And so how good of an idea was it for

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Speaker 1: me to avoid doing this podcast until now because you

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Speaker 1: had to come all the way to Hawaii. Come hang on.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully none of my media or ink bosses are listening

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Speaker 1: to this, but yes, podcasts take you places like this.

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Speaker 1: So this is the first of a two part podcast

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Speaker 1: that will be continued in two thous We're gonna actually

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Speaker 1: just stop talking at some point to be continued so

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Speaker 1: we can go back camp be under the stars. Like,

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Speaker 1: so we're in Hawaii, we're on the big island and

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Speaker 1: last night's moon, like where we were camping, the stars

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Speaker 1: was unbelievable, like blew me away. Like Hawaii sometimes just

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Speaker 1: shocks you, even though you know tourists coming here because

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Speaker 1: it's beautiful, but still it shocks you. Yeah, there's something

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Speaker 1: about I think if you're not from Hawaii, I haven't

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Speaker 1: spent time here. The mountains is not something that you

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Speaker 1: really think of. And you know, when you think of Hawaii,

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Speaker 1: you're not thinking about how beautiful the mountains might be.

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Speaker 1: But when you're up in the mountains camping with your

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Speaker 1: buddies and fires go on and everyone's telling stories, drinking

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Speaker 1: cold beers after hunting all day, it's doesn't get any

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Speaker 1: better than now. Yeah, last night definitely was was that good.

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Speaker 1: But now we're at the Dorian Residence, um and done

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Speaker 1: hunting and uh, getting ready to fly back to Montana.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to go back. I'd like to stay here.

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Speaker 1: How how how cold is it in Montana right now?

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Speaker 1: It's got to be like twenty degrees it's probably Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like seventy two degrees here beautiful. Um. For those

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Speaker 1: who don't know, Well, let's let's go back to when

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Speaker 1: you were a young gram as you as you guys

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Speaker 1: stay down here um surfing. I mean, most folks will

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Speaker 1: know you as being a big wave surfer. Um. But

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Speaker 1: you grew up doing you know, surfing, living in Hawaii,

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Speaker 1: living that lifestyle. Give people a snapshot of what that

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Speaker 1: much nobody who listens to your podcast knows who the

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Speaker 1: hell I am. So you know, who's like that guy

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Speaker 1: I just you know, that's where I learned to walk

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Speaker 1: Were there like some you know, there's so much culture here,

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Speaker 1: being really respectful at a really young age is like

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Speaker 1: So Um, that's definitely something I think that that is

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Speaker 1: um and it's not I'm I'm sure it's like that

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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, but there's you know, food and

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Speaker 1: like the slow pace of life. And I've traveled a

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Speaker 1: But we kind of just like grew up on airplanes

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Speaker 1: yourself in with really giant waves and is our ore

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00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,639
Speaker 1: are are those experience are so extreme you feel like

429
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 1: you're like really really pushing it as a as you're

430
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 1: as a human, Like you're at the edge of like

431
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 1: where you should be, the way past your comfort level. Um,

432
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,360
Speaker 1: And sometimes you get yourself in a position where you'd

433
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 1: never intended to, you know. So you know, when that

434
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:57,399
Speaker 1: day is over and the swell goes away and you

435
00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 1: get back home, everything just seems so relaxed and the

436
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 1: stress level is solo and there's nothing to worry about.

437
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,439
Speaker 1: You're not going to die in the ocean today and

438
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 1: you know that. And and for me, I have a

439
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 1: I have, you know, two kids and a wife at home,

440
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 1: and I got a lot to lose. And I don't

441
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 1: serve big waves because it's yeah, I can get really

442
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: close to dying. That's not what I'm doing it. I

443
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 1: love surfing big waves. I love the challenge, and I

444
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: love I love the camaraderie with the guys who choose

445
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 1: to serve big waves. Um, I have great friendships and

446
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,679
Speaker 1: I just love it. I dig it, and so like.

447
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 1: The danger aspect is not why I do it. Part

448
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 1: of the dangerous aspect is part of probably why it's

449
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: so exciting. But I love the excitement and on the

450
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: challenge for sure, and just trying to I think the

451
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 1: thing I like about it most is like the the

452
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: mental test, the mental test of in that moment, can

453
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 1: you keep your ship together? Can you keep can you

454
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 1: maintain that focus and and and really rely on all

455
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: the millions of experiences you've had in the past to

456
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 1: bring yourself to this one moment where it's all on

457
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: the line. I dig that, and I think that's super

458
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: super similar to why I'm so drawn to bow hunting.

459
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 1: I feel like that that's same. I've never felt anything

460
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 1: like that with life any other experience, any other sport,

461
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,719
Speaker 1: an other anything where I feel like they line up

462
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 1: almost identical to feel the feeling the emotions that I

463
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 1: get when I'm bow hunting, because servings like that, it's

464
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 1: like tranquil and cool and hanging out your buddies and

465
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: everyone's everything's awesome, and you love it and you do

466
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: it for the experience, and then all of a sudden,

467
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 1: these really intense, like climax moments where it's all on

468
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: the line and it's really really high stress situation where

469
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: you have to keep your cool, and I feel like

470
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: bo hunting is the same way, and it really like

471
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 1: this week, this last couple of days hunting really like

472
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: codified it in my mind that that all those things

473
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: are so similar that you all there's such good around

474
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: the moment, that critical moment where you have to let

475
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: that arrow fly and do it in such a way

476
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: that is you kills the animal and kills it humanely

477
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: and you do your job because it matters, like it

478
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: matters in that in that sense of word. But everything

479
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: is surrounding is awesome. Like we were leaving your house

480
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: to drive out the camp, we were kind of like giddy,

481
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: little like let's go man my bows on. Oh shit,

482
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: Like it's shooting good, shooting good. We're gonna have a

483
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: great time. Man, we're gonna go. We're going, We're going,

484
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: We're going. And we got there. We're like we're here,

485
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: We're sucking here. And then we're like little kids, yeah,

486
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: walking around on the rain. Go We're doing it, man,

487
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: we got rain the best. It is so good. And

488
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 1: then and then like all that kind of goes away

489
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 1: in a moment where you are now it's just you

490
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: and the animal. There's nothing I can do to help.

491
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: There's nothing that you can do to help me. There

492
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 1: is no way that that anyone could could sit beside

493
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: you in that moment and tell you what to do, Like,

494
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: you have to do it yourself. And I think I

495
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: guess the different thing about your surfing and hunting is

496
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: usually in hunting no one is watching. Yeah, Like you

497
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: internalize the pressure and you put it on yourself because

498
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: you know that you owe it the animal. You know

499
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: you've worked hard for this, but it's all internalized. There's

500
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: no I've said this on the podcast before, like Jim

501
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: Nance isn't over there going and Shane Dorian steps up,

502
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: draws his bow and imagine if that was what was

503
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: really going on, and then that was happening in live,

504
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: you would completely change what you were doing. But honey

505
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: is an internal there's an internal mechanism that you apply

506
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: pressure to yourself because you know how important it is

507
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: to kill that thing for any reason. Well, I mean

508
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: in the moment of truth. For me with surfing, if

509
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: I screw up, everybody sees it. In the moment of truth.

510
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,239
Speaker 1: If I'm bow hunting, if I screw up, nobody sees it.

511
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: That's my bad And that's my bad arrow that went

512
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: flying into the animal in the wrong spot in the animal.

513
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: That's that's me who wounded the animal. And I have

514
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: to live with that. But I don't have to tell

515
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: anybody about that. No, I didn't shooting arrows today. I

516
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 1: didn't have any I mean, while there's some elk like

517
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: limping over there, you know, it's like, so I think

518
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: those are those things like in bow hunting, that are

519
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: that that are really unique to bow hunting. It's like

520
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 1: in those moments, there's there's a lot I think um

521
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: and I think that's part of the job bon hunting too,

522
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,719
Speaker 1: because you have to make make those decisions and make

523
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 1: those choices all by yourself, and then you gotta come back. Yeah,

524
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: you gotta come back and report to the world. However

525
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: you do that, whether it's just your buddies in camp

526
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: or you're sharing it with social media or whatever. There's

527
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: this this man, there's this that you could just be virtuous, right,

528
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: you could just tell the story that makes you look

529
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: the best or makes hunting look the best, or you

530
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: can tell the true story, which is this ship is messy.

531
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes you screw up. Sometimes you feel like you're

532
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: the best bow hunter in the world, and then the

533
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: next day you feel like the worst. And I don't

534
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: I don't care who you are. Even the best bow

535
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: hunters make big mistakes, telling you like, we've both hunted

536
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: with some of the best in the world, and there's

537
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: mistakes made, and there's animals wounded or there's animals that

538
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: take four. That just happens to everyone, and if it

539
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: doesn't happen to you, please call in. Yeah, let us

540
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: know your secrets. I know there is no call in line,

541
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: but calling anyway, calling anyway, but that I just think

542
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: it always says one thing and having these podcast conversations

543
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: that I've realized is exactly that like hunting is internal

544
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 1: to you, Like you have the ability to shape your

545
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: your the way you function in the woods, the way

546
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: you think about animals, all those things and share that

547
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: with the world. But when it comes down to making

548
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: that shot, it's you. Yeah, well and you can come back,

549
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: you know, you can come back to camp with your

550
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: bow and just say no, I didn't get a shot,

551
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: even though you wounded an animal. But it doesn't matter

552
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 1: if you tell the truth to your friends or your

553
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: buddies or not. You gotta live with that truth. I

554
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: mean you, like, you can't lie to yourself, you know.

555
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: I I've I've funked it up on a shot before

556
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: and couldn't sleep at night thinking about that animal. Um.

557
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: So that's just something that as a bow hunter you

558
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: need to own up to you and deal with and

559
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: do the best you can do, you know. But like, no,

560
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody's born a perfect bon hunter either to

561
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: become a good bon hunter. Yeah, and you've you've experienced that,

562
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you didn't. You're one of the growing number

563
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: of people that took on hunting later in life, you know,

564
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: I would say, and you went through you went through

565
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: a lot of what I went through as a kid

566
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: in your thirties on your own. And there's a lot

567
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: of people, whether you know it or not, but I do,

568
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: just from people that right in and talk to me

569
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: about this podcast and and just any other thing. There's

570
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are listening to um. You know,

571
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: our mutual friends like Dudley and Remy and Joe Rogan

572
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: and going and wanting to go hunting and picking it

573
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: up on their thirty five and have three kids and

574
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: need someone to tell them how to do it or

575
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: what to do or how to think. When I was

576
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: a kid, you just shot the deer. We didn't think

577
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: we canna talk about the philosophies or round it or

578
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: ideologies or why it was important to the natural world

579
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: or any of that. Ship. We just shot the deer

580
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: and had fun doing it and never questioned it. And

581
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: then here you are. You're in your you know, your thirties,

582
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: you pick up a bow. Now you have the ability,

583
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: you're an adult, you have kids by then yeah, probably

584
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: is right, is right? I started bow hunting right before

585
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: my wife got pretty with my son, my first kid. Yeah,

586
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: so you're you know, you're married, you're having starting a family,

587
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: and here you are, you know, doing a lot of

588
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: big things in the world, and you're probably more equipped

589
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: to take up hunting, right Is that just too yeah

590
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: more mature? Yeah. Um, describe your like your first how

591
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: you got your first bow, and how you got started,

592
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: because it's a pretty good, pretty good story. Yeah. Well,

593
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: for me, I've haven't really ever known anything except for

594
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: surfing really, and um, you know, I always always like

595
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: grew up at the beach, and my work was at

596
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: the beach in the ocean. Um, so I was always

597
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: like traveling to places that was it's always the beach, right,

598
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: And so I always fantasized about living up on the

599
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: mountain like where I live, where it wasn't hot, where

600
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: the ocean wasn't right across the street, where the surfing

601
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: wasn't like a one minute walk. So you know, I

602
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: I ended up getting some property in building a house

603
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: way up with the mountains at four thousand feet. And um,

604
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: as soon as I started living here, Um, everything I

605
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: would plant would get dug up by wild boars. You know.

606
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: I mean there's just wild boars everywhere, and so they

607
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: would just just destroy everything. And so my buddy gave

608
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: me a gun and said, if you shoot a couple,

609
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: they'll scram and probably not come back for a while.

610
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: And so I shot two one or yeah two, and

611
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: immediately realized that I'm not a gun person. Um, so

612
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: I gave the gun back to my buddy. Um. I

613
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: have nothing against guns, but I just knew they weren't

614
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: for me. Just the the noise and the vibe. I

615
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: don't know, I just wasn't my thing. And so my

616
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: neighbor was a bow hunter, and I became friends with him.

617
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: So I'd go over there and uh a couple of

618
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: beers in the afternoon and shoot arrows. And so when

619
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: I got a pretty good grouping, he took me bow hunting.

620
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: He had a couple of trees stands on his property,

621
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: and the huge boar came in at night and I

622
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: sucked everything up. I tried to put an arrow on

623
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: and then I and then I drew back and my

624
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: arrow went flying off the rest and ding ding ding

625
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: made the noise and the ball pigs went went bolting

626
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: into the forest. But I was hooked. I was like,

627
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: this is so hard. I just screwed everything up. The

628
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: animals right there, they had no idea. Just everything came

629
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: together and and the next day I went and bought

630
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: I used Matthews. The next day I was like, this

631
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: is it. I want to become a bow hunter. And

632
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: you said you bought it from the Hawaiian Ted Nugent.

633
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: I bought it from this this guy who lives down

634
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: the chief of my house. It sells archery gear out

635
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: of his house, out of his like spare bedroom. Um

636
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: because at the time there was no archery shop. So

637
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: he had a bunch of used bows and literally used

638
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: broad heads, used broad his and so new ones too.

639
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: But I was like, I would go and get like

640
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: hundred grain muzzies and used grain and he's like, oh,

641
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: they're all shoots the same, it's all good and um.

642
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: So I just grew up. I I just my whole

643
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: start to bow hunting. I had no mentor of really like, hey,

644
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: get this bow, Here's the kind of arrows you want

645
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: to shoot, Here's how you want to stand here, here's

646
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: how you do it, here's the here's like the cheat

647
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: sheets you know here, here's here, here's the cliffs notes

648
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: to everything you need to know. I kind of did

649
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:25,239
Speaker 1: every like bad move in the book, like um, and

650
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: then I realized a really really good older for a

651
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: really good friend of mine who's about ten years older

652
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: than I am. Um. I ended up going hunting with him,

653
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: starting to hunt rams up in the mountains, and he

654
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: was just a really accomplished bow hunter. He had been

655
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: bow hunting. He's in his fifties at the time, and

656
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: he'd been bow hunting since he was like eight years old,

657
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: seven years old, and bow hunting the whole time consistently. Him,

658
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: his brother's uncle's grandpa, everybody bow hunters. So he took

659
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: me under his wing and taught me a ton and

660
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: then I started hunting like every week. I'd hunt like

661
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: one or two days a week every week for like

662
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: maybe five years. So I was getting hundreds of days

663
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: in the field and that's just here. And I was

664
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: starting to go to Maui Molokai lan I, and so

665
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: I was getting like, you know, I was hunting like

666
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: a hundred days of year some years or maybe a

667
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: little bit less than that, but a lot. And in

668
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: a weird why there's no bag limit. I mean, you

669
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: bet I have a full quiver. If you go up,

670
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: you know I had hunt if you you know there's

671
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: a lot, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of hunts. You

672
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: come back with one arrow or no arrows um and

673
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: so yeah, so I went from like zero to one

674
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: real quick. Well, yeah, I mean, that's that's how you

675
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: live your life. It makes sense. But yeah, I mean,

676
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: but I felt like I found it late and I

677
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: wanted to make up for lost time, you know what

678
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I was like, I love this so much.

679
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: I'm pissed that I didn't find it earlier. I was

680
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: actually angry that I didn't find that I didn't have

681
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: a dad who hunted, that that I grew up and

682
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: had those memories of like being in the mountains of

683
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: my old man. I was so jealous of friends like that,

684
00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: and I grew up with a bow in their hand.

685
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: So I was like, ship, I'm gonna make the most

686
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: of it. I'm thirty, all my thirties, all my fourties,

687
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: all my fifties, all my sixties, all my seventies are

688
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: gonna be hunting to this day, Like dude, I'm trying

689
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 1: to retire. And oh yeah, that's I mean. Literally, it's scary.

690
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: If you if you knew how much I thought about bohunting,

691
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: you'd be scared. No, I wouldn't be scared at all.

692
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 1: I would be happy. But yeah, I mean it comes

693
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: down to you know that it's interesting to me. I'm

694
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: trying to get my thoughts together around like the conversation

695
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: of your started hunting. But it's interesting me that you

696
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: you take on surfing from a young age, and would

697
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: you say, like you you know, you went hard and

698
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: maxed out? That is that true? Like the right way

699
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: to say that you went hardest ship for a long time,

700
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: became the best of the best, and then like now

701
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: you here you are relatively at a young age, kind

702
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 1: of winding down that portion of your life and winding out.

703
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: You're hunting probably on the more like the um the

704
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: professional end of the surfing part. I'm still totally obsessed

705
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: and in love with surfing. I love going surfing still

706
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: after forty years. I literally like when the waves are

707
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: good and I'll go surfing with my kid and surfer

708
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: hours and now the best time ever. I love it.

709
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: I choose to go surfing, and I don't. I don't

710
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: do it because I get paid to go surfing. I

711
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: dig it, And even when and even when it has

712
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: nothing to do with work for me at all, I'm

713
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: going to continue going surfing because I love it. It's

714
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: hasn't like somehow doing what I love for a living

715
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: hasn't sucked that up, which I loved that about it. Yeah,

716
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: because I can suck it up for a lot of Yeah,

717
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: you know, even for me, I've haunted a lot over

718
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: the last decade and it doesn't matter. Yeah, Like I'm

719
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: just my mind goes to I can get it. I

720
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: can be home for about a week and if I

721
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: haven't thought about hunting or doing something hunting related, I

722
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: get depressed, seriously depressed. My wife has seen that in

723
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: me and has said like, if you gotta go, you

724
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 1: gotta go. And we're talking about your wife as well,

725
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: like being away traveling the world doing your thing. I mean,

726
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: you have a a job that takes you away all

727
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: over the world all the time, and I do as well.

728
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: But my wife said something that recently about I'm glad

729
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: that you have a passion. She was like, I'm glad

730
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: I want you to be here, and I want and

731
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,479
Speaker 1: I know you want to be here, but I'm I'm

732
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 1: glad that you have something that you love so much

733
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: that you can go do it and come back. Like

734
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: I'd much rather that than you sit around here and

735
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: and go to work round the nine to five and

736
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: come home watch TV. It's like, I'm much rather to

737
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: have that. And I was like, I love you. Yeah,

738
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: And that's that's very unusual, I think, But I think

739
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: it's I think it's She's right. I think it's true.

740
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: You much rather have that and be be pulled in

741
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: two directions then just pulled in one direction, you know,

742
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: if it's you know, work, family, work is also your passion,

743
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: the thing you want to do. Life's way Richard. For that,

744
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who are married out there

745
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: whose wife fell in love with them because they were

746
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: this person who had all his passion, and then to

747
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: get married, and then all of a sudden they get

748
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: grief for going and doing all the things they love

749
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: to do because they're not home as much. And then

750
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: a lot of people stop doing what they want to

751
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 1: do and love a whole lot and stop pursuing their passions,

752
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: and then for the wife, and then the wife's like,

753
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: I don't like this guy anymore. He's kind of boring,

754
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: you know. So it's like you gotta be unapologetically, you know,

755
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: pursuing your passion no matter what. That's who makes us

756
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: who we are. And hunting is part of me is

757
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: who I am now, straight up and that's the truth,

758
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to hide that fact. And um,

759
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: my wife knows that. And if I'm like being a

760
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: dick around the house, she'll call my my buddies and

761
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: be like, look, shame's being a dick. He needs to

762
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: go hiding for real. You guys need to plan something

763
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: and go hunting. I've got that problem, same same problem,

764
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: Like around the house is an issue, but we were

765
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: out there. So we're out camping, you know, in relative

766
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere, and like you could see it on

767
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: your face and I'm sure you could probably see it

768
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: on my face, like we are more comfortable, enjoyous and

769
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: in our element in that place. Take us to town,

770
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: put us in an airport. We're not that. And I

771
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: think that's probably I think surfing probably, I'm sure did

772
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: that for you. But um, hunting is just like a

773
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: derivative of one to be away and be disconnected and

774
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: be you know, more connected. We were in camp with

775
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: five people and I felt like the conversation around the campfire,

776
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: we're better than you know, more laughs, more of just bullshit.

777
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: Then you could recreate in any circumstances. No restaurant, no

778
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: dinner party, nothing could recreate that. There's just no small

779
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: talk either. Yeah, he's around the campfire, so it's like

780
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: there's silence is fine, and then if you're laughing, cracking

781
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: jokes or telling hunting stories or whatever, it is great.

782
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: But if you have nothing to say, you guys can

783
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: just chill out there. Everybody's there for the same reason.

784
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: You know, I just unplugged for a few days. Food

785
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: tastes better. Yeah, all foods. Somehow it tastes better. I

786
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: would can tuna yesterday, and the ship is great. It's canned.

787
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: Dune is delicious. Uh, sleep is somehow better, Like not

788
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: having a shower doesn't bother me at all when I'm

789
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: in that situation. Going to sleep dirty with face paint

790
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: on your face is something so good about that. I

791
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: borrowed one of your kids pillows from his bed, and

792
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: I felt so bad, dude, like face paint just like

793
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: my face and printed on his pillow or Jackson. But yeah,

794
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,959
Speaker 1: I was thinking that I'd wake up and be like, dude,

795
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm it's five in the morning. And I went to

796
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: sleep at a ten thirty and I walked eleven miles

797
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: yesterday and this is, and I'm I feel good. I

798
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 1: don't feel tired, I don't feel depressed. I don't feel

799
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: anxiety or stress, even though the thing I'm doing is

800
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: way harder than what I do on a daily basis.

801
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: Heny well, I like it. Yeah, I love it too.

802
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: I don't think I could ever get I mean, I

803
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: say this because I live in civilization. But like when

804
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: I wake up in the middle of night and opened

805
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: my eyes and I'm in a tent, and I was

806
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: ship I'm camping. Yes, I'm in a tent. I'm gonna

807
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: sleeping pad, Like there's something so good about it, Like

808
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 1: I like romanticized the thought of camping. But I swear

809
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: I just I feel like I'm like, I don't know,

810
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: I just feel like I'm a better version of myself

811
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: when I'm out there and dirty and hunter all day

812
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: and I'm tired and I worked my ass off and

813
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: and I got frustrated because I missed or whatever it was, like,

814
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: whatever the story was, whether it's success or or sorrow

815
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 1: or frustration or whatever it was, it's like just being

816
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: out there with your buddies and doing what we were Like,

817
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: I feel like that's what I was meant to do.

818
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 1: You know, and that's why like food taste better and

819
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: even for me. I figured this out earlier this year.

820
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: I've said this before on this little podcast show that

821
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: every year I try to at least once a year

822
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: whenever it is. I don't just sit down on like

823
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: a day, but I try to sit down once a

824
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: year and then re examined my hunting, like what's changed over,

825
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: what did I learn over the last year, Like what

826
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: won't I do anymore? What do I do, whether it's gear,

827
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: tactics or just just things that I won't do, like

828
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,479
Speaker 1: way as it weighs, I won't represent myself, or types

829
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: of hunts I'll never do again, or types of once

830
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: I want to do every year, things like that, like

831
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: re examine type of hunter I am. But then it

832
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: comes to like trips like we just had that felt

833
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: like just pure, like everything was right, the place, the people.

834
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: That's when for me, you're at that heightened sense of

835
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: like it's just straight up joy. We we hunted in

836
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: the rain, We hunted all day long. Like I said,

837
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: I was eating like candy bars, a shitty tuna yesterday,

838
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 1: sitting in the sun, like loving life. No no sheep around,

839
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: no move flowing around the hunt. But it didn't matter.

840
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: It didn't matter. Uh, And I can't. I I wonder

841
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: how people that listen to this, that maybe don't hunt

842
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: or have familiars don't hunt, see here that and it

843
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: translates to them, because I'm not sure what other people's

844
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: lives have or their passion is about. You and I

845
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: are about bow hunting in the freaking mill of nowhere.

846
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: As you know, I can't imagine sitting in a chair

847
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: watching football getting anything close to what we got. Yeah, well,

848
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: every everybody has their thing that you know that you

849
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: know helps him deal with stress, and everybody has their

850
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: thing that helps them like become who they are a

851
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: better person and who they are, And um, I mean

852
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: some of those people's ideas of of what's good for

853
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: their stress levels or whatever is my worst nightmare and

854
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: sleeping in a tent and being dirty is most people's

855
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: worst nightmare. Yeah, that's why, that's why it's cool. That's why,

856
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: that's why you want to talk about behind the people

857
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: and they're just looking at me like, the hell are

858
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: you talking about? Cannot relate to you at all? The

859
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: hell are you doing? You're out they're killing animals? You

860
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 1: know that's all they think is a ballot or whatever,

861
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 1: and there's nothing you can tell those people to explain anything,

862
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 1: so it's even really trying so well. We were riding

863
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: in to have breakfast this morning, baby, wiping the face paint,

864
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: like three day old face paint off our faces so

865
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: we could go have a pancake, and I get stared at.

866
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: I was like, this moment is badass, you know, like

867
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: you have it, And I was thinking the same thing

868
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 1: around that time when I'm wiping the face paint off.

869
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time. I'm not that vain

870
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: a person or whatever, but I spent last time looking

871
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: in the mirror every day. I spent a lot of

872
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: time caring about what my clothes look like or what like.

873
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: I spent a good amount of time on that stuff,

874
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: probably average, but still I spend time working around with that.

875
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: When you're out camping, just wake up and the clothes

876
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: you have on, and then you put a pack on

877
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: and go. As long as you're warm or dry, that's

878
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: only thing that matters. Doesn't matter what you fucking look like.

879
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: And we put face paint on it. We weren't over

880
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: there like drawing, you know, writing your kids initials. Face man,

881
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: we were just covering our stupid faces up so that

882
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: she wouldn't see it well and as fast as possible

883
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: so we could get hunting. Yeah. Yeah, there was no

884
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: art to it. Gnarly. Yeah, that's my one of my

885
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: favorite parts. But this, yeah, the hunt we did kind

886
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: of combine being out in the wilderness and archery and

887
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: you know, camping and like all the best things. I think, Yeah,

888
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: I think for sure it ticked every single box that

889
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: I could ever want you hunting, from the camping part

890
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: to the camaraderie with really good people and like learning

891
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: I mean uh, I mean, like uh, one of the

892
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: guys on our on our trip, John, he had um.

893
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: I hadn't met him before, so I couldn't meet meet

894
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: new have new friends. And it just there was like

895
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: such a everybody jelled super well and there was you know,

896
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: let just everything was epic across the board. I think

897
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: that's the only way to fly. And we were talking

898
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: about this on the drive up here too. Is that

899
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: the hunting community, you know, which you came into more

900
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: recently than a lot of folks, is like has missed

901
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: that a little bit, you know, has missed a little

902
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: bit of the experience. And again, like you said, everybody

903
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: gets on podcast now and talks about that like you

904
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: can say it, and that's almost virtue signaling at some point,

905
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,720
Speaker 1: like hey, i'm it's more about than just the killing.

906
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: Of course, of course, yeah that's true. But you know,

907
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: when you tell your story, like when I hang out

908
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: with you and we talked about honey, we don't immediately

909
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: start flipping out pictures of dead ship and flipping through

910
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: it like trading cards. We don't do that. That's that's

911
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: not because we're trying to make each other, you know,

912
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: im press each other about art, but it's because we

913
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: fucking love it. And there's all million things to talk about.

914
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: There's a million things to talk about rather than just

915
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: the killing of the thing of the animal. One of

916
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: my favorite things about about all this is like just

917
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: being there and learning about new animals and where they live,

918
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: like in the terrain, like whether it's access dear on

919
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: Lanai or Maori, whatever it is, like where they live

920
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 1: and they thrive and they're in their element and they're

921
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: like their way of hiding, of running, of sleeping, all

922
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: that stuff. Just learning the ways of an access dear.

923
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: You can't be kidding me. That's the best thing on earth.

924
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: Learning the ways of muflon Rams and the mountains in

925
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: Hawaii is that's incredible. There, those creatures and the way

926
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: they are, the way they run, the way they bought

927
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: each other. How crazy was that when they're ramming each

928
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 1: other in the heads, that was crazy. They butt heads.

929
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: They did this full on, like square off thing where

930
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: they go whack back and they literally are fighting over

931
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: the chicks right in front of you, and just their markings,

932
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: the white on their their big old white saddle and

933
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: big black beard and the giant horns, and they walk

934
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: around like they're the ship, like they're like the king. Yeah.

935
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: But then juxtaposition to you're watching that and then about

936
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 1: three or four hours later, it gets dark, just sitting

937
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: around the campfire and somebody hands you a plate with

938
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: bacon wrapped move flaw on that you just it's all

939
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: walking around like that is. Man. If there, if there's

940
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: not a better way to interact with nature, you know,

941
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: somebody should tell me. Because you're interacting with it, appreciating it,

942
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: taking from it only what you need, and being nourished

943
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: by Like come on, man, there there's a lot of

944
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: ways to interact with nature, and not all of them

945
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: are good. A lot of them that are non hunting

946
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 1: ways are great. But that's a pretty damn fullproof way

947
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: in my opinion. It's pretty cool when it comes full

948
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: circle during the hunt. You know, like a lot of

949
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: times you go hunting, if you have success that you

950
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: clean that animal or you or you like you, you

951
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: quarter it and take it to a butcher. I don't know,

952
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: everyone's different, but and then you you know, you go home,

953
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: you process it new burger, or you freeze it, and

954
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: then you'd like, you know, a month later, a week later,

955
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: you do de frosted and make a stake for your family.

956
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: That's great, and that's awesome, and I do it all

957
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: the time. But those days where you walk back to

958
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: camp with a backstrap and you get that backstrap out

959
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 1: and you put some Montreal steaks. He's not even put

960
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: on the fire and all the boys are eating it

961
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 1: right then. The thing was walking around two hours ago.

962
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: It's like there's something about that that is just so Yeah,

963
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: it's living man. Yeah, yeah, we're just kind of like

964
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: this podcast is just catching you and I coming off

965
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: of the high of doing this ship. So hopefully people

966
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: that are listening. Can hear it in our voices, like

967
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: we're not We're not making this up. We're not saying

968
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: we're excited. We're not trying to convince anybody go do

969
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: what we did. I like, it's not for everybody. A boy.

970
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: I love talking about it and I love doing it.

971
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: And if I hope it comes through in this because

972
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: it's certainly when I go home, I wouldn't be like

973
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: you said, to flip it through my phone if you

974
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: love my kid too. Though I look look at pictures

975
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: of my kids like, oh that's cute, I love that kid,

976
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: But then I flipped, oh, hunting, love that too. I

977
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: want to hear what. I want to see that when

978
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: I have those memories, because they're they're the memories. Are

979
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: are what all about? Man? And you and I've hunted

980
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: New Zealand and I here now together, Like there's some

981
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: great memories in that, and you know that was there's

982
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: some I have a lot of perspective on life that

983
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have otherwise. And these are not you know,

984
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: going to hunting public land and in New Zealand is

985
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: not some you know, aristocracy activity. It's not only for

986
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: fancy rich people. Anybody for anybody can have that. If

987
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: they want that adventure and they desire that, you can

988
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: go get it. It's out there. Yeah, and you can

989
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: come here and hunt too. I mean it's not you know,

990
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: there's public places to hunt, here, ways to do it.

991
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: It's gotta dude research. So we're an hour and we

992
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: gotta go pick up your daughter and she had school

993
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: or ballet. All right, We're gonna take some some questions

994
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: here real quick. I've been doing this and it may

995
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: or may not work. People that are listening, right and

996
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: tell me if it's lame or it actually works. Is

997
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: this on your Instagram? Yeah? Looking at them. It's the

998
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: story questions. Hopefully there's some good ones. See. Oh well,

999
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: we already covered this one. This is a sweet Camo girl.

1000
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: What a sweet came A girl. He's a big Listen

1001
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: that she says, where do you find more peace in

1002
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: the woods or in the water? Yeah? I think we

1003
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: answered that. Yeah, but that's a huge part of the

1004
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: reason that I love bow hunting is the same as

1005
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: surfing is is uh, the stress level goes way down

1006
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: down for sure. We say woods like on a quickally,

1007
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: what you say on a clivically woods is the place

1008
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: over the water. Yeah, because bow hunting, I mean surfing.

1009
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm usually surfing with the people. Yeah, probably half the

1010
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: bow hunting I do, if not more. I'm by myself.

1011
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: I love that. I love a bow hunting by myself.

1012
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: H me too. Um, we're talking about that in camp today,

1013
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: Like Jonathan Hart was in a camp and with the

1014
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: founder Sit Kenny. He was saying he loves hunting in pairs,

1015
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: like he loves the strategy. He loves like you go

1016
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: this way, I'll go that way, you glass, I'll go

1017
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: He loves that back and forth, and both of you

1018
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: and I were saying that. Yeah, but hunting by yourself

1019
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: is pretty freaking awesome too. Yeah, Like there's not one

1020
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: is better than the other. And that's what makes it

1021
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: so cool, is is I mean hunting with a friend too,

1022
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: and being being right there when your friend is to

1023
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: full draw and you see that all happening in real time,

1024
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: and then if you're the guy there and your friends

1025
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: right behind you and the pressure is on and he's

1026
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: gonna watch you make that shot. That's to share that

1027
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: experience with a really close friend like that is it's

1028
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: really freaky cool. And your friendships are made closer by

1029
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: that stuff. Yeah, like and to hug it out right afterwards,

1030
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: you see, I don't go down and you hug and

1031
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: scream like little girls. Day two, we were hunting in

1032
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: the pouring rain after this giant ram and you went

1033
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: up this hill because like we thought we were gonna

1034
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: kill it. You went up this little rise and I

1035
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: stayed at the bottom and they were just on the

1036
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: other side. They were just like thirty yards on the

1037
00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 1: other side. And this is the ram of a life

1038
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: time and I'm down there. I was not. I couldn't

1039
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 1: never been more excited than any moment of my life

1040
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:06,959
Speaker 1: other than like the birth of my son or something

1041
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: like that. I was. I was back there going like

1042
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: my hands were shaking. I'm like, draw, draw, He's gonna

1043
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 1: do it. He's gonna be there, He's gonna be there,

1044
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: like super disappointed when he wasn't there. But that even

1045
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: just being on the sidelines for somebody else, Well, when

1046
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: you when you when you're with your buddy and one

1047
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 1: of you shoots and makes it happen and it all

1048
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: goes down, you're like you're there's someone right there to

1049
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 1: give you that feedback, which is amazing. But when there's

1050
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: nobody there to give you that feedback. It's amazing you're

1051
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: just standing there. Do you ever just like when when

1052
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: you're standing there with your bone, you're looking down your

1053
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: but I just did that, this just happened. I need

1054
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: to go there clean that animal right now. You walk

1055
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 1: up and you get your meat bag out in your knife,

1056
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: and it's just you, your knife, your meat bag, and animal,

1057
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: and it's like it's just like you could have sucked

1058
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: the shut up. You can suck up that too. That

1059
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: things you just sitting there, and the longer you wait,

1060
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: you know, you can easily mess up the meat. Care

1061
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: a part of it, and that's that part is like

1062
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: a whole other pot cast. Yeah, well that that's too.

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00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure you do the same as I do. Sometimes

1064
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: when I shoot an animal and I'm by myself and

1065
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do, I just look around.

1066
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: I just make sure to take look around and take

1067
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: it all in and from and just look around, look

1068
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: at where I am and think about how I got here,

1069
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: and then just be present for a minute rather than like,

1070
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: oh I got a million things to do. I got

1071
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,760
Speaker 1: It's like give it a minute. Give it a minute,

1072
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: because especially for me, hunting in Hawaii for muflan in

1073
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: a beautiful place is not something you know, maybe I'll

1074
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: never get to do it again, hope not. But like

1075
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: it's worthy of it's worthy of some reverence in the moment. Yeah,

1076
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: let's see what we'll we'll see what else we got?

1077
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: We got well this, uh who whiskey? Pete asks, what's

1078
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: your ideal surf and turf combo that you can harvest yourself?

1079
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: Like if you spearfish maybe, and you I'd say on

1080
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 1: no tacos and and um on no is a Hawaiian

1081
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,439
Speaker 1: where for wah who I think you got? Wah who? Yeah?

1082
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: So whah who tacos um and then I'd go with

1083
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: access dear, access to your backstrap or access to your

1084
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: tennetline one or the other. Yeah. If anybody has an

1085
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 1: argument against that, then go fund yourself. That's pretty hard

1086
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: to beat that. That's delicious. Um. See if we got

1087
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: one more good one here? Oh we we've already covered

1088
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: a lot of these awesome questions. That means we're doing

1089
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: our jobs. What was the moment that hooked you? What

1090
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 1: was the ultimate moment that hooked you on bow hunting?

1091
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:47,240
Speaker 1: Was there one moment Shane Dorian. This is from Toby McNeil. Uh. Honestly.

1092
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,439
Speaker 1: The thing that really sunk it self into me where

1093
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: I knew there was no turning back is after I

1094
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 1: read Cameron Haynes's book Back Country bow Hunting. I got

1095
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: so inspired by that book. I knew very little about

1096
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: bow hunting at the time, but I could shoot about

1097
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: twenty five yards. And I read that book and in

1098
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: the book, for those who haven't read it, you should

1099
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 1: read it right away. Epic. But he he talks all

1100
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: this stuff. I was just such a novice. It was

1101
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: all news to me. But he went into like his

1102
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: experiences of like planning and training floor and setting up

1103
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: these rad backguard drew bo hunting missions with his buddy

1104
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: or by himself, and it got me so inspired. I

1105
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: went out and and got like all the ultra light,

1106
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: get like a ultra light. I was so excited. I

1107
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: cut um ultra light, sleeping bag and ultra lights, still

1108
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: little cap stove and like the tent, and I just

1109
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 1: went rogue. I started like doing. I did one big

1110
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 1: trip in the mountains by myself here uh here in Hawaii,

1111
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: and carried all my own water and as in the mountains,

1112
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: and I killed a big ram and I walked back

1113
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 1: to my tent with fresh meat and cooked it up

1114
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: on the fire and like that was it. Now. I

1115
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,919
Speaker 1: remember like looking around under the stars eating my round

1116
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: that I just killed and in my tent, and I

1117
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: just was like, you gotta be kidding me. I've never

1118
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: This is like if I thought I had lived a

1119
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: hundred percent before that, I hadn't. You know. It was

1120
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: like a whole I take that away from this podcast

1121
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: living like yeah, yeah, I think at the base of

1122
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: our human DNA, we're trying to like max our potential.

1123
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: You know, whether you're a seven year old soccer player,

1124
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: you're trying to maximize your potential, like the absolute top.

1125
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: And I there's those those fleeting moments in life as

1126
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 1: a human. I think where you're like, this is it

1127
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: right here is happening, and as soon as you get it,

1128
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: it feels like it's almost gone. And that was one

1129
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: of those moments where I was like, this is it.

1130
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: It's happening right the second, take another bite. I can

1131
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: talk about that forever. Man. That is a great concept,

1132
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: and I think we're hunting is just a celebration or humanity.

1133
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 1: It's something of because we've been doing it for freaking

1134
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: ever millions of years. So that's a good place to

1135
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,919
Speaker 1: end it. Um, thank you, SHANEO. Yeah, thanks for having

1136
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: me and it was fun. Yeah, we're gonna do it

1137
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: again again to podcast tomorrow. Yeah, the next day. You know,

1138
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: a couple of months, I'm gonna be like, hey, Ben,

1139
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: let's do a podcast pretty soon. You can be podcasts lately.

1140
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: That's gonna be We did do another episode, man, Honey, honey,

1141
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: me and Ben are gonna do a podcast again. Honey,

1142
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: we really got We're working on the scheduling for by.

1143
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: It's a seven day podcast. It's in the him Alaya.

1144
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: It's gonna be great. Yeah, all right, thanks bro cool,

1145
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: thank you. That's it. That's all episode the thirty four

1146
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: in the books. Thank you to Shane Dorian, his wife Lisa,

1147
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: and his two awesome kids, Charlie Jackson for let me

1148
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: stay at their place, run around Hawaii with them, learn

1149
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: about the culture, learn about the hunting there, and do

1150
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: all the week did. It was an awesome trip and

1151
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: I appreciate their hospitality. I hope you learned a lot

1152
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: from the conversation. That's Shane is one of my favorite

1153
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:06,439
Speaker 1: people on the planet Earth and in the meantime until

1154
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: we get to the next awesome conversation with somebody that

1155
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: we all can learn from. You should go to the

1156
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,960
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1158
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1159
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1160
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1161
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1166
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1178
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: is all. Episode number thirty four was great. I can't

1179
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: wait for episode number thirty five, So come join us

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Speaker 1: next Tuesday morning. We'll see you then, Sa