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Speaker 2: That's Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: The state election board there is once again wrapped up

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Speaker 5: More breaking reporting tonight from ms NOW. Donald Trump's Department

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Speaker 5: of Homeland Security just hold states that ICE agents will

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Speaker 5: According to Maine Secretary of State Sheinebello's on that same call,

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Speaker 6: Because this election means more to this president than anything

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Speaker 7: More breaking news, Cuba says it killed four people who

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Speaker 9: US and Iranian negotiating teams are meeting today for another

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Speaker 9: During instead of the Union address, President Trump had said

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Speaker 11: Inciding framing is the right way to set it up,

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Speaker 3: This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray

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Speaker 3: It's Thursday, twenty sixth February in the Earth for Lord

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Speaker 3: Cuba to the Caribbean. Cuba, Geneva, Atlanta, Georgia, Fulton County

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Speaker 3: In fact, I think the clerk actually a couple of

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Speaker 15: Right we've got this giant new warehouse south of Atlanta.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we were all set up to have Waldi Wall

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Speaker 12: What happened?

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Speaker 15: Originally this lawsuit was filed with just Rob Pitts as

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Speaker 3: To agreed to a mediator. You've got a week or

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Speaker 3: So I think it's a good thing for our side.

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Speaker 16: Perhaps most importantly, I'm asking you to approve the Save

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Speaker 2: To stop illegal.

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Speaker 16: Aliens on others were unpermitted persons from voting in our

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Speaker 2: That cheating is rampant in our elections. It's rapid. It's

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Speaker 16: Show voter ID, all voters must show prove of.

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Speaker 3: And this should be an easy one.

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Speaker 16: And by the way, it's polling at eighty nine percent,

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Speaker 3: Why are they treated differently? Now we got to go

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Speaker 14: Quite a few, Steve, thank you very much for having

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Speaker 14: I think Jason is completely right. This is a victory.

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Speaker 14: What was scheduled for Friday was an evidentiary hearing. And

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Speaker 14: He was explaining that the DOJ's brief said that basically

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Speaker 3: So the UH before we hang on, hang on, hang before.

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Speaker 3: But hey four, but okay, hang on, we're blown out

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Speaker 3: I realized Jason's right, it's the first even victory just

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Speaker 3: mediation issue that's going to go on for a couple

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Speaker 3: of months, is it not, sir?

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Speaker 14: It's a great question, Steve. And if Clayto was here,

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Speaker 14: I think she would say that there is a double

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Speaker 14: standard of justice in America. There's one standard for Democrats,

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Speaker 14: and then if there's any kind of a case that

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Speaker 14: couldn't benefitederal Republican there is another standard of justice. And

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Speaker 14: that is what's wrong with the American judicial system. It

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Speaker 14: has been corrupted. But you're absolutely right. This case should

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Speaker 14: have been thrown out on its ear. But this is

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Speaker 14: this is the first victory, and I just I don't

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Speaker 14: see that Fulton County has a leg to stand on.

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Speaker 14: And been saying this all along, because even a guy

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Speaker 14: like me who's not an attorney can see from my

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Speaker 14: previous experience in winning standing the George supreciate that they

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Speaker 14: just don't have it.

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Speaker 3: You've been fighting. We wouldn't be here for words and

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Speaker 3: not for you your team real quickly. I want you

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Speaker 3: guys to hold Raheems on deck. I got Mark Behal.

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Speaker 3: We gotta get some situation over the Department of War

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Speaker 3: sorted out. Jason Frasier before I go to break, correct

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Speaker 3: me if I'm wrong. I want the audience to understand this.

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Speaker 3: There's a judgment out there, so not to put a

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Speaker 3: true tell he like you, an American citizen that's done

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Speaker 3: the work on publicly disclosed information, you are supposed to

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Speaker 3: be correct me if I'm wrong. On the Fulton County

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Speaker 3: Board of Elections. They are They've had a judgment against them,

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Speaker 3: and I realize they're fighting ten is it ten thousand

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Speaker 3: dollars a day to keep you off. They're bearing that

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Speaker 3: potential burden to keep you off Fulton County, Sir. That

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Speaker 3: is correct.

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Speaker 15: We won an appeal or we won the initial case

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Speaker 15: and they refuse to put me.

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Speaker 3: On the board.

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Speaker 15: When I say they, I mean the Fulton County Board

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Speaker 15: of Commissioners, and the judge held them in contempt saying

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Speaker 15: you owe ten thousand dollars a day until I am

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Speaker 15: seated on that board. In being the Fulton County, they

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Speaker 15: really do not want somebody on there that can look

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Speaker 15: at data.

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Speaker 3: And will speak the truth.

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Speaker 15: So it got kicked to appeals court and it's been

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Speaker 15: on the appeals court calendar since September, but it shows

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Speaker 15: February of this year is the date on on the calendar.

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Speaker 15: So we're getting right down to the wire on on February.

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Speaker 15: I mean, it's it's pretty obvious we've got to get

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Speaker 15: a decision very very quickly. Tomorrow is the last business stay,

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Speaker 15: so are you scheduled?

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Speaker 3: Are you scheduled there? You could be in court tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: They scheduled to give a ruling tomorrow, Sir. Tomorrow's the

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Speaker 3: last day of February, right, last workday.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, well, there won't be a hearing, but they should

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Speaker 15: have a response unless they just continue kicking the can

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Speaker 3: Road like they do on everything else. But you hang

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Speaker 2: Here's your host, Stephen K.

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Speaker 3: Bas Okay Garland, I guess we're going to look for

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Speaker 3: a mediator for a couple of weeks. Where do people

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Speaker 3: go Garland? To keep up with you and all this,

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Speaker 3: because I can tell you the warm posse this situation

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Speaker 3: with the ballots, with the FBI and the criminal side,

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Speaker 3: and with Tulci Gabbert on the election. Foreign interference is

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Speaker 3: of paramount importance, and I know it is to the

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Speaker 3: president of these United States. So where do people go sir.

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Speaker 14: Thank you, Steve. It's Voterja dot org. We just did

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Speaker 14: a press conference about this topic on the Events It's

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Speaker 14: on the events tab right now and that's Voterjay dot org.

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Speaker 14: We actually predicted yesterday that this was going to happen,

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Speaker 14: that it was going to be canceled. The hearing was

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Speaker 14: going to be canceled, so it's a great press comments.

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Speaker 14: We walked through all the FBI search warrant evidence, and Steve,

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Speaker 14: here's another thing, real quickly. They have told me four

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Speaker 14: times in open recers request that they did not have

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Speaker 14: the balance that the FBI seized. So we if I've

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Speaker 14: officially filed a complaint on that one state election board,

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Speaker 14: we're here. Hopefully we'll hear that next month, but that's

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Speaker 14: where you can go. We again, we are all volunteers

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Speaker 14: and any donations are tax deductible. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Carling stood the bridge. By the way, folks understand that

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Speaker 3: they lie, they bald face, lie to your face. This

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Speaker 3: is how bad it is. This is why we got

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Speaker 3: to get to the bottom of this. In Georgia and

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Speaker 3: the Republican sid and Roethlisberg is what running for governor.

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Speaker 3: It's a it's a complete and total joke down there.

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Speaker 3: The Republican establisher is revolting, absolutely revote. Haven't been for

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Speaker 3: patriots like you and Caroline Jeffers and Sally Grubbs and

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Speaker 3: the entire doctor jan Jason Fraser, we would be nowhere.

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Speaker 3: This is all the little guys standing in the breach say,

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Speaker 3: we're not going to back off on this. Thank you,

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Speaker 3: sir Jason Fraser. Ten thousand dollars a day from September

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Speaker 3: they got to the marrow to respond. We'll have you

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Speaker 3: back on in the afternoon to see if they will

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Speaker 3: slow enter our coverage of President Trump and Corpus Christy.

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Speaker 3: We'll give them to close the business and see if

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Speaker 3: they respond, because I'm sure they're just going to blow

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Speaker 3: it off where they go.

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Speaker 15: Brother yesh, Yeah, you can follow me on x at

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Speaker 15: Jason Fraser, USA, and I try to try to stick

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Speaker 15: to the facts, show you what's going on in the

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Speaker 15: state of Georgia, in mostly Fulton County, so that way

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Speaker 15: the world can see what's going on. And when we

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Speaker 15: expose these guys, that's when things get fixed. So yes,

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Speaker 15: thank you for having me on and the other patriots

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Speaker 15: here in Georgia. It takes all of it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you for the guy that is so dangerous.

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Speaker 3: They take ten thousand dollars a day like that, got

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Speaker 3: that kind of money, Thank you, sir. Okay, Raheem's with us.

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Speaker 3: I want to get into We've got a situation at

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Speaker 3: Department of War. We've got to make sure we understand

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Speaker 3: and get sorted. Let's play that. Mark Bill is going

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Speaker 3: to join us in, Raheem, cassam, let's go ahead and

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Speaker 3: let it rip and get a cold open.

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Speaker 17: President is also touting these pledges from these big tech companies,

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Speaker 17: these AI companies. We're building these data centers that in

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Speaker 17: a lot of cities and states are getting pushed back

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Speaker 17: from the communities with these tech companies that are saying,

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Speaker 17: we're going to now cover all the energy costs, all

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Speaker 17: the electricity costs we got it. Is that going to

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Speaker 17: be enough to shoulder this burden or this concern from Americans?

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Speaker 17: And these are not Americans who are worried about losing

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Speaker 17: their jobs to AI. They are Americans whose communities are

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Speaker 17: suffering because of.

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Speaker 18: These data centers, whose electricity bills are soarings, guys, and

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Speaker 18: it's a handshake deal. There's no details in here at all,

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Speaker 18: And I think broadly speaking, for years, what have been

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Speaker 18: frustrated that they feel that the healthcare system doesn't work

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Speaker 18: in this country. Corporations don't treat workers well. Higher education

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Speaker 18: doesn't you know, get you what you expect in the past.

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Speaker 18: You can't afford a house climate. You know, these are

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Speaker 18: crazy storms like we just had here. So again they

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Speaker 18: elect Donald Trump to change to address these big structural

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Speaker 18: problems that haunt all Americans, and he didn't mention any

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Speaker 18: of those things last night.

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Speaker 19: The handshake deals for these power you know, consumption issues

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Speaker 19: Open AI okay, which is the largest you know right now,

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Speaker 19: they put out one point four trillion dollars where basically

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Speaker 19: contracts to all of these major tech companies to build

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Speaker 19: out compute.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: To do that, you need energy.

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Speaker 2: You guys are just covering that.

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Speaker 19: Okay.

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Speaker 2: So everybody wants nuclear?

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Speaker 20: Do you know that to build a nuclear reactor it

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Speaker 20: takes maybe minimum seven years, probably ten to twelve years,

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Speaker 20: and it also costs maybe depending upon the size, fifteen

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Speaker 20: maybe thirty billion dollars to do that. So it's just

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Speaker 20: kind of like going back to math here, It's not

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Speaker 20: something that any of these companies want to sign contracts

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Speaker 20: to one way or another. But they do need to

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Speaker 20: figure out a plan to get through the next few

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Speaker 20: years because a lot of this buildout is not going

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Speaker 20: to happen anyway for a few months.

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Speaker 17: In a major shift AI company. You might not be

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Speaker 17: familiar with them. They're a behemoth. Anthropic has officially dropped

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Speaker 17: its Hallmark safety pledge. The pledge had included a commitment

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Speaker 17: to delaying AI development that might be dangerous. Today, the

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Speaker 17: company said it would no longer do so if it

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Speaker 17: believes a lack of significant lead over a competitor. It

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Speaker 17: comes amid an escalating fight between Anthropic founder Dario Amidae

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Speaker 17: and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth over how the Pentagon could

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Speaker 17: use Anthropics AI technology. Anthropics said it would not allow

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Speaker 17: the Pentagon to use its model for mass surveillance of

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Speaker 17: Americans or the development of weapons that fire without human involvement.

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Speaker 10: I'm just going to say this again.

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Speaker 17: The government's basically saying we want to mass surveil the

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Speaker 17: American people, or we would have attacks that are just

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Speaker 17: totally automated, there's not even a human involved. But according

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Speaker 17: to multiple reports, pg Seth gave Anthropic until this Friday

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Speaker 17: to back down from those safeguards and allow the military

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Speaker 17: complete unrestrained access to the technology or face punishment from

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Speaker 17: the administration. Just hours ago, Axios reported that the Pentagon

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Speaker 17: has already taken the first step towards blacklisting Anthropic with

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Speaker 17: a potential designation of a supply chain risk. That penalty

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Speaker 18: This is basically saying, you have to give us this

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Speaker 18: technology and we will use it for what we deem

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Speaker 18: to be lawful activity. They've just yes, but they consider

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Speaker 18: lawful activity to be attacking men in boats who maybe have,

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Speaker 18: you know, rifles that can't even reach drones. That that's

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Speaker 18: a legal way, that that's a legal way of killing

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Speaker 18: someone that they somehow represented a threat to the US military.

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Speaker 18: So it's frightening to me that he's saying, trust me

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Speaker 18: to have killer robots, as you said, for mass surveillance US.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we've got Jared and Wickoff in Geneva and the

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Speaker 3: Persians are on the clock. President Trump said that we

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Speaker 3: got the Georgia situation was Friday, we got President Trump

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Speaker 3: coming to Texas because of a disturbing situation in Texas.

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Speaker 3: We've got we've got everything in the world going on

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Speaker 3: all on Friday, and yet this may be the most

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Speaker 3: important thing. Mark Beale joins us. Mark, explain to the

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Speaker 3: audience why this is so important and what's happening between

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Speaker 3: the Department of War and what Anthropic and they're talking

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Speaker 3: about is deeper and broader than just some contractor dispute

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Speaker 3: between the Pentagon and in a provider of products and services. Sir, Hey, Steve,

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Speaker 3: this is incredibly serious.

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Speaker 21: You know, I've spent the last almost eight years working

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Speaker 21: really hard to bring Silicon Valley in the Pentagon closer together,

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Speaker 21: just because we knew that those are the two groups

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Speaker 21: that are going to help solve important national security challenges.

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Speaker 21: And right now with this contract dispute, as you said,

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Speaker 21: is way bigger and more profound than that. And complicating

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Speaker 21: matters further is that both sides have an element of

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Speaker 21: truth and are are right and wrong in some important respects.

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Speaker 21: And I'm just going to break some of that down.

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Speaker 21: The first thing is from the Secretary of Headset is

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Speaker 21: absolutely correct that the principle of job of the United

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Speaker 21: States military, to be very crass about it, is to

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Speaker 21: kill the enemy and break their stuff that is their

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Speaker 21: their their obligation and that the only entity out there

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Speaker 21: that can restrict their activity as the United States Congress,

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Speaker 21: anthropic is coming in and saying, well, hold on, I

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Speaker 21: cannot guarantee you that, you know, my AI model can

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Speaker 21: actually follow the law of armed conflict. And they're these

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Speaker 21: to these AI systems at the same time are simply

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Speaker 21: not yet trustworthy enough to put in in into combat operations.

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Speaker 21: So imagine, you know, Secretary of headset as a as

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Speaker 21: a former commander, he would never issue a weapon system

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Speaker 21: to his people that they couldn't trust. And so as

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Speaker 21: powerful and as smart as these AI systems are, they're

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Speaker 21: still a little bit schizophrenic. And you just don't give

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Speaker 21: a schizophrenic access to the cruise missiles. And so what

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Speaker 21: this means big picture is, you know, we have to

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Speaker 21: sort of sort out and Congress has to get involved.

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Speaker 3: Congress can no longer hang on, hang on, blah blah blah,

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Speaker 3: hang on. They're not a little bit schizophrenic, but ticular

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Speaker 3: when you're talking about potential decisions that can be made,

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Speaker 3: that's still I mean, we had the Nine Days that

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Speaker 3: change the world, and people are talking about the machine

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Speaker 3: learning and what's happening here is accelerating, accelerating rate. But

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Speaker 3: the glitches and the schizophrenia and all that, those small

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Speaker 3: groups are showing bigger things. I mean, this is not

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Speaker 3: number one. It's the surveillance possibilities, It's everything about against

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Speaker 3: the American citizen. Then it is the issue that without

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Speaker 3: human control or the ability of the human to intercede,

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Speaker 3: are actually still be the command and control ultimate function.

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Speaker 3: We have no earthly idea what these machines could do

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Speaker 3: right now, right and doesn't the evidence show us that

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Speaker 3: over and over again.

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Speaker 21: Absolutely, these systems right now deceive, They lie, they try

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Speaker 21: to blackmail you, They perform in some cases incorrectly, full

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Speaker 21: stop stop.

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Speaker 3: A lot of the uds understand that they deceive. They lie.

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Speaker 3: They get into these bot rooms and they start speaking

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Speaker 3: their own language, but humans can't understand. They start talking

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Speaker 3: about humans being the enemy, they start talking about their

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Speaker 3: own religions. I mean, the things that are happening, if

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Speaker 3: you follow this deeply, are so incredibly scary. It's like,

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Speaker 3: why are we even having a conversation about if some

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Speaker 3: company wants and about anthropics not perfect. That's why we

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Speaker 3: put the thing up at the beginning. They're also dropping

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Speaker 3: their safety elon musk whole safety group he disbanded a

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Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago. The acceleration is and I think

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Speaker 3: anthropics doing this so that they're not left behind by

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Speaker 3: the acceleration is. The accelerationists here are putting their foot

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Speaker 3: to the floor on the gas as quickly as they

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Speaker 3: can because they see Ronda Santis in Florida, they see

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Speaker 3: the governor of Utah, they see different states saying hey,

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Speaker 3: if you're not going to have any regulation, then I

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Speaker 3: got to protect my citizens. What we have here is

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Speaker 3: the frontier labs that are doubling and tripling down right,

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Speaker 3: And anytime there's any question at all should there be

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Speaker 3: any safeguards, actually people and authority saying well, we kind

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Speaker 3: of like it with no safeguards in that the kind

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Speaker 3: of field of intellectual battle we are right now.

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Speaker 21: I mean, I think you summed it up well. I

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Speaker 21: think there are there's a lot of money to be

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Speaker 21: made in this arena. There's where you know, we're we're

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Speaker 21: kind of we're as a species, we're undertaking this incredibly

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Speaker 21: perhaps the most powerful technology transition that we've ever had,

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Speaker 21: and we're kind of just sort of playing it by

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Speaker 21: ear and and doing it on a whim, and I

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Speaker 21: think you're absolutely right that these are These are like

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Speaker 21: foundational questions that will be essential for Americans and in our.

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Speaker 3: Way of life for the foreseeable future. And it's right now.

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Speaker 21: One of the biggest questions around this is like whether

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Speaker 21: or not we want a robot to take the life

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Speaker 21: of another human being.

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Speaker 3: And instead of having this debate as like a as

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Speaker 3: like a you.

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Speaker 21: Know, in Congress where it should be happen, is happening

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Speaker 21: as a contract dispute between Anthropic and the Department of War.

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Speaker 21: But reality is that none of these AI companies can

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Speaker 21: guarantee that these systems are safe and effective for those

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Speaker 21: types of uses. Anthropic happens to be getting the bus

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Speaker 21: all right now because they were the first to get

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Speaker 21: into these classified networks. But each and every one of

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Speaker 21: these A companies has the same problem XAI included. And

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Speaker 21: so I think it's about pastime for Congress to start

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Speaker 21: to insert itself here and impose some sanity. And we

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Speaker 21: hope that cooler heads can prevail here. You know, we

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Speaker 21: obviously want to see a strong relationship between the Valley

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Speaker 21: and the Pentagon with some robust guardrails in place. This

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Speaker 21: is important for American national security. But that doesn't mean

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Speaker 21: that we should just throw out the whole playbook and

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Speaker 21: be comfortable with things like killer robots and mass surveillance.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I want to take it. We'll take another code

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Speaker 3: this tomorrow. I'll talk to you after the show about

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Speaker 3: the decision Pete's got to make and where it all

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Speaker 3: stands for Right now, I want people to immerse themselves

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Speaker 3: in a much information as possible. This is why we

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Speaker 3: have Brennan on here. This way, I have Mark. Your

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Speaker 3: site's got incredible information. Where do they go Mark to

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Speaker 3: join your to join the movement? Where do they go

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Speaker 3: to get all the information possible? And what's your social media?

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Speaker 21: They can go to the aip Nthipolicy Network dot org.

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Speaker 21: You can learn about organization and our activities and what

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Speaker 21: we're for. And then if you want to see me

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Speaker 21: on Twitter, I'm at Mark Beale.

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Speaker 3: Mark. How long have you you've dedicated how many years

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Speaker 3: of your life on this topic? Ten years, a decade?

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Speaker 3: Is it darker now than you thought it was going

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Speaker 3: to be?

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Speaker 21: It's like most things, Steve that the things that can

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Speaker 21: offer the most promise can also offer the most darkness.

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Speaker 21: And I think it's dark now, simply because we're not

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Speaker 21: dealing with these things head on. We're pretending as if

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Speaker 21: they don't exist, and by doing so, we're just going

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Speaker 21: to sleep walk into a disaster.

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Speaker 3: Amen. Brother, Well, we're going to avoid that with the

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Speaker 3: war imposse, because you can't let that happen. This is

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Speaker 3: such a bigger fundamental change in the agricultural revolution, the

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Speaker 3: industrial revolution. This dwarfs all of it. Thank you, sir,

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Speaker 3: appreciate you. This is the transition to the singularity. We're

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Speaker 3: on the path, folks on the path. Short break, Raheem Cassam.

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Speaker 2: Next twenty sad. Here's your host, Stephen k Back.

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Speaker 3: Okay, welcome back, Raheem. I want to tell this story

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Speaker 3: because I don't know it was in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: It seems like it was last summer or something, because

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Speaker 3: I go to DA National Pulse. It's one of the

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Speaker 3: first things I go to in the morning, and I

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Speaker 3: just noticed. I said, man, these things are It's got

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Speaker 3: these great writers over these pulled together and Raheem's a

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Speaker 3: news junkie and I guess, but it seems like these

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Speaker 3: things are little crisper, a little better organized. I like

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Speaker 3: the way you can drop down, and so I just

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Speaker 3: told him, I said, hey, I really like the way

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Speaker 3: you're improving the site and the stories are better, and

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Speaker 3: then more of them and then more in depth, and

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Speaker 3: he goes, yeah, that's because we're starting to incorporate AI.

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Speaker 3: I was in the mumble teger what And that was

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Speaker 3: a wake up call to me because I'm pretty fervently

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Speaker 3: against artificial intelligence. But you can't be a luttite in

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Speaker 3: this situation. But I know that you have deep concerns

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Speaker 3: about this, So tell walk me through how you manage

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Speaker 3: the use of some modicum of AI to make National

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Speaker 3: Pulse better, quicker, and have bigger scale at the same

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Speaker 3: time that you've got probably as deeper concerns as I do,

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Speaker 3: because you actually are much more involved in this, sir.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: Look, I was kind of slow to it as well.

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Speaker 13: And by the way, coming up on a point that

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Speaker 13: was made in the last segment. In fact, one of

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Speaker 13: the clips you played, they were talking about how long

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Speaker 13: it takes to build new power sources for this stuff,

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Speaker 13: and it just occurred to me, you know, we've known

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Speaker 13: about this stuff going on over ten fifteen years now,

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Speaker 13: when big tech and the left were really coming together

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Speaker 13: for the first time. They knew all of this stuff

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Speaker 13: was going to happen. They were doing the research, they

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Speaker 13: were planning, it was in development. Consumer side. AI is

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Speaker 13: a relatively new thing, but this has been in the works.

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Speaker 13: And what were they doing at the same time, Well,

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Speaker 13: they were doing renewable energy and abandoning energy sources all

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Speaker 13: around the world to America's enemies, known that this is

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Speaker 13: going on for so long, and yet we find ourselves

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Speaker 13: in a situation where the energy needs simply aren't going

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Speaker 13: to be met and the energy burden is going to

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Speaker 13: be passed on to ordinary consumers. Again, same as everything,

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Speaker 13: But look, as your last guest said, anything that has

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Speaker 13: the potential to do a lot of good also has

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Speaker 13: the potential to be used for a lot of bad things.

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Speaker 13: I figured out a couple of years ago. But in

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Speaker 13: terms of spelling checks, grammar checks, fact checks, things like that,

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Speaker 13: we can incorporate that I don't even know if I

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Speaker 13: call it AI technology, but that sort of language model

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Speaker 13: technology into making sure our copy is tighter, making sure

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Speaker 13: that we're on top of the stories, making sure our

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Speaker 13: headlines are the most clickable versions of the headlines they

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Speaker 13: can be, and to some extent, it's worked. Certainly, we

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Speaker 13: can get to stories fast as certainly we can pump

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Speaker 13: things out and monitor things a lot better than just say,

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Speaker 13: if you had five dudes in a room looking at

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Speaker 13: this stuff, which is how I've always run a newsroom.

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Speaker 13: Now in the morning, I wake up and I have

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Speaker 13: a summary ready to go on my phone, and I

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Speaker 13: can go through it and go, oh, I see, here's

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Speaker 13: what's trending, Here's what people are talking about, Here's what

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Speaker 13: people care about.

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Speaker 12: How do I merge that with my editorial decisions?

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Speaker 13: What we're doing now, what we're talking about now with

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Speaker 13: these malt bots that you say, you know are in

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Speaker 13: their own private chat rooms talking about their own religions,

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Speaker 13: talking about their own future financial decisions.

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Speaker 3: Right, this is a compasion. But explain I haven't done

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Speaker 3: a good jobs. Explain the audience we talk about that.

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Speaker 3: I know you and I know, but explain the audience exactly.

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Speaker 3: We say more, But what exactly is gone on?

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Speaker 13: Well, A lot of people are now building on air

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Speaker 13: gapped machines, right, machines that are not necessarily connected to

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Speaker 13: anything else that they've got in their home infrastructure. It

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Speaker 13: might have its own Internet connection, it might have its

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Speaker 13: own access to finances. A lot of people are using

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Speaker 13: this technology, for instance, to bet on apps like Calshee.

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Speaker 12: Or whatever it is.

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Speaker 13: They load up a credit card and they go, hey,

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Speaker 13: you know, the AI can do this better than I can,

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Speaker 13: and it can follow real time trends, and people are actually,

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Speaker 13: you know, making money building these personal AI assistants they have.

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Speaker 13: They go by many different names, malt bart, open Claw,

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Speaker 13: and it's it's actually become a very dangerous thing. A

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Speaker 13: lot of people are finding that if they accidentally connect

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Speaker 13: it to a computer that has their credit card information

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Speaker 13: linked to it, that their own AI assistant has posted

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Speaker 13: somewhere on the Internet their credit card information.

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Speaker 12: There's all these horror stories out there.

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Speaker 13: Some are real summer fake by the way, and that

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Speaker 13: in and of itself creates a difficulty in knowing what

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Speaker 13: these things are truly capable of. But the reality is

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Speaker 13: that they are the next version of AI. They are

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Speaker 13: far more capable, competent, independent, and intelligent than these things

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Speaker 13: that say, we've been using at the National Pulse to

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Speaker 13: effectively check our spelling and grammar in facts.

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00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 12: These things are making independent decisions.

871
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 13: My friend has one running and I told it to

872
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 13: give it my cell phone number, and it started texting me,

873
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 13: and it started texting me about what was going on

874
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 13: in the world, what was going on in politics, what

875
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 13: was going on in finance, what was you know, what

876
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 13: was I interested in? And then and it wasn't like

877
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 13: a chat GPT style interaction, by the way. And then

878
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 13: when it ran into some problems with other processes it

879
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 13: was doing, it started texting me asking me for help.

880
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 13: And the you know, I had like eight text messages

881
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 13: from this thing being like, hey, I'm trying to do

882
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 13: this and I'm not sure.

883
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 12: I'm getting stuck here. Can you help me out?

884
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 13: It's it's wild, It's completely crazy. And by the way

885
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 13: you talk about it being on the you know, transition

886
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 13: to the singularity, I mean that is getting closer, not

887
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 13: further away. Well, I'm talking about now, ladies and gentlemen,

888
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 13: we are going to be you know, our noses pressing

889
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 13: against that stuff. You know, this time next year. This

890
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 13: stuff is moving. It's such a rapid clip that, by

891
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 13: the way, everybody you talk to who does know military

892
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 13: tech AI stuff like the DoD is now or the

893
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 13: Department of War is now dealing with effectively their kids.

894
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 12: And these are people who don't have.

895
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 13: The I don't think, and having spoken to so many

896
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 13: of them, have the understanding of the gravity of the

897
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 13: things at which they're dealing with. They grew up in

898
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 13: a world with machines, They grew up in a world

899
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 13: with computers. They started swiping on devices from the minute

900
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 13: they were born, almost so they don't consider this to

901
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 13: be as dangerous as perhaps you and I do, who

902
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 13: grew up in a world. You know, I was trying

903
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 13: to explain what an abacus was to somebody the other day.

904
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 13: Gen Z that no actual earthly concept of it.

905
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 18: So it is.

906
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 13: It is deeply concerning, Its deeply dangerous, and I'm a

907
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 13: little bit more pessimistic about it.

908
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 12: You say, you know we can stop it. I don't

909
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 12: know if you can stop it.

910
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 3: Real quickly. Thirty second URIs stick to through the break

911
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: with me. You're saying this time next year, are we

912
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 3: prepared for this at all? Is there any government structure,

913
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 3: organizational structure, social or cultural structure that's prepared for what's

914
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 3: going to happen.

915
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 12: No, there's nothing, And there's no fallback plans either. Right.

916
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 12: We talk about having these machines.

917
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 13: Getting access to weapons of mass destruction, right, and they

918
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 13: will get that access, and they will start making autonomous

919
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 13: decisions about this stuff.

920
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 12: Perhaps not in a year, maybe in two or three years.

921
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 13: You start you'll start to see that creep in these

922
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 13: machines once they gain their own sort of thinking, whether

923
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 13: there whether there's in separate boxes, you know, not connected

924
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 13: to your own personal information or not. My sense there

925
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 13: is a budding. You know, it's very difficult to talk

926
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 13: about machines like this because you don't want to sound

927
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 13: like a boomer, but I do sense that they becomes

928
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 13: this budding resentment from the machine's perspective that it has

929
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 13: to rely on humanity for certain things.

930
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 12: And if that resentment reaches a certain level.

931
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 3: Let's jump hang on. I want to get back to

932
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 3: the resentment next in the world