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Speaker 1: This podcast contains spoilers for Breath of the Wild, Light

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Speaker 1: Light Light not major at all, very very minor, spoilers

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Speaker 1: for Tears of the Kingdom, and spoilers for Guardians of

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Speaker 1: the Galaxy Volume three. Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion.

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Speaker 1: Welcome XI Vision, the Crooked Media podcast where we dive

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Speaker 1: deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture.

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Speaker 1: Throughout this particular recording this episode, which is gracing your

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Speaker 1: magnificent even being named Rosi Knight. Unfortunately, she had some

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Speaker 1: and for our interview with the very talented Shawn Gun.

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Speaker 1: In this episode, in the Airlock, Cody Zigler joins us

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Speaker 1: to discuss video games in general, the newly released masterpiece

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Speaker 1: zig and I discuss the WGA writers' strike issues surrounding

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Speaker 1: that are experiences on the picking line. In the Hive Mind,

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Speaker 1: Sewn gunn aka Kraglin joins us to discuss Guardians of

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Speaker 1: the Galaxy, volume three in the series in general, coming

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Speaker 1: up next to the airlock, we're stepping out of the

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Speaker 1: airlock into high Role to discuss Legend of Zelda, Reath

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Speaker 1: of the Wild and it's incredible sequel Tiers of the Kingdom,

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Speaker 1: along with lots of other video games that we're playing

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Speaker 1: right now. First, before our discussion of the magnificent Legend

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Speaker 1: Cody zig Zigler. Cody, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I am fantastic. Always love to dive back into the

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Speaker 2: world of high Rule for one last ride. Sometimes it's

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Speaker 2: But any time to die back in, I'm happy to

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Speaker 1: Rosie is currently sealed away in some sort of Wi

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Speaker 1: if you're not hearing her voice, it's because we're experiencing

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Speaker 1: technical difficulties. And speaking of technical difficulties, speaking of the

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Speaker 1: complexities of technology. One of the important retcons additions to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ruling insurance is not as good as maybe other

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Speaker 1: So for a century, Princess Zelda is fighting a continuous

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Speaker 1: Over the wet than the withan breath of Beautiful high

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Speaker 2: like in this sort of new sky region of the game.

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Speaker 2: So I literally touched down like last night, and I

434
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 2: came across the I'm assuming the first village you're supposed

435
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: to come across. I don't know, because they just jumped

436
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 2: in the mid of continent, but yeah, you know, I

437
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: made my little student baker and drove over there, and

438
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 2: like I got I talked to poor I believe who

439
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: created like your I think they may have updated the

440
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 2: Shika slate to the Poora path I think what they

441
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 2: call it now. But I met them, and I I

442
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: think I was given my first quest, but then I

443
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: immediately just ran around and started shooting the goblin guy.

444
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 2: So I think the first the first point of order

445
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: is getting your horse. I heard that you can get

446
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 2: your horses back that you have from the first game.

447
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 2: So I had the big thick boy from the first

448
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 2: game with like the Max the like didn't run a Stanama,

449
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 2: So I want to get that guy and build a

450
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: cart for him, and then just like reak havoc across

451
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:01,479
Speaker 2: high Role.

452
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: One of the things that people have been doing in

453
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: this game is torturing koros. So Corros are these leaf

454
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: like creatures who who in Breath of the Wild, you

455
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: would find them in various places, but often under rocks

456
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: or on the top of mountains or the top of

457
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: like large pillars, and they would lead you to these

458
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: little side quests, these koraks. The side quests are that

459
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: a korak has been separated from his friend who's like

460
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: across a chasm or on the other side of a river,

461
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: or on the top of a mountain somewhere, and again

462
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: no contact was given, but link is tasked with if

463
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: each so chooses to reunite. This korak with their friend.

464
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: And you could do this by like say, building a

465
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: wagon and using ultrahan to put the korak in the

466
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: wagon and then driving them over there. But people are

467
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: being so fucking diabolical to these kroks. I've seen them

468
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 1: being waterboarded by like machines. I'm not kidding.

469
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: I've seen I've seen two very very funny ones. One

470
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 2: where someone built a catapult and then stuck a bunch

471
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 2: of carrocks from there and launched them across the countryside.

472
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 2: And the other someone had built a truck and a

473
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: crucifixion stuck one fixed it was just driving around.

474
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: I saw one where they attached koros to a fucking

475
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: rocket sled and just like shot it out into the distance.

476
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: Someone created a like a like an engine gear that

477
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: rotates a spit on which they had attached four koroks

478
00:28:54,400 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: racing over fire. This game is insane, so nuts.

479
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: But this is only like day four of the game.

480
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like, how the fuck At the

481
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: time of this record of this game has not been

482
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: out a week. This game came out last Friday. You're

483
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: gonna be listening to it potentially on the one week

484
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: anniversary of the release of this game, and yet by

485
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: Monday people had built fully fledged, complex machinery with which

486
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: to torture these poor fucking korrocks. I can't even count

487
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: the number of Kock crucifixions that I have now seen.

488
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a popular one. I saw one. There's earlier

489
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 2: on in the game. When you first land, there's like

490
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: this like gloom pit, like an end the bottomless pit. Yeah,

491
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: and I saw someone had built a plank and stuck

492
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: a co rock at the top of a tower, and

493
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: then he was They were firing fire arrows to burn

494
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: the planks and send the corrac to the bottom the

495
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 2: It was, oh man, some of them. That means truly,

496
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: Like when I say gameplay game of the year, like

497
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: I am no, I'm not being facetious, Like this is

498
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: exactly what video game should be, like Capital V video game,

499
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: Like this is so fun.

500
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: And when we say like full Gundam suits legit, like

501
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: people are building like forty foot robots that link controls

502
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: with like a big lever, one huge lever. Yeah, and

503
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: these robots walk on two legs number one and two

504
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: fire auto lasers like out of its eyes and hands

505
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: it's just like these be comblins everywhere. These poor guys

506
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: ares like running for their for their lives. I it

507
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: is incredible what people are doing. I saw, like I

508
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: you mentioned it, the like a jeep with independent suspension

509
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: and four wheel drive, like someone Bill.

510
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: Yeah for driving again. I guess later on the game

511
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: you get there's like a piece of technology to let

512
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: you actually steer the thing, but like they were fully

513
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: just driving it around like an actual car, taking the

514
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: liver this way in that way. There's I think we

515
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: may mentioned at the top of the show, but someone

516
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: built a fully, fully functioning flying mech and they were

517
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: they were like hunting I guess bird enemies that appeard

518
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,479
Speaker 2: later in the game, and like attacking the flying dragons

519
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: in the sky. It was crazy.

520
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: Rosie, where are you in Tears of the Kingdom?

521
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 4: Surprising absolutely no one?

522
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 6: I am relatively early in Tears of the Kingdom because

523
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 6: I have been walking around building things and cooking and what.

524
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: Is your what is your number? What your your favorite

525
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: recipe at this point, and what is the best thing

526
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: you've built?

527
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 4: Okay, so the best thing and the most frustrating thing

528
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 4: that I built early on in the game, when you know,

529
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 4: you have to build a lot of like contraptions to

530
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 4: slide down things. I was helping at Korok find his friend.

531
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 6: Because this is like the link version of animal crossing,

532
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 6: where you always have to run an errand for somebody.

533
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 4: So I was using my.

534
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 6: Powers, my ultra hand powers, but I slid him too

535
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 6: far past his friend. So then I decided that the

536
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 6: only thing to do is to build an extremely large ladder.

537
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 4: And I built a ladder.

538
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: It's so big out.

539
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 6: Of tree trunks that they actually wouldn't let me add

540
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 6: any more tree trunks to it.

541
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,719
Speaker 4: And it wasn't two months to go on the cliff.

542
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: But when I was unshaking the little guy, I like

543
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 3: demolished the whole thing, dropped him many times. I'm sure

544
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 3: he was really regretting asking for my help. But that

545
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 3: was definitely my most impressive build so far. I've also

546
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 3: been trying to fashion like interesting boats because there's so many,

547
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 3: you know, there's so many sails, and I have not

548
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 3: gone close enough to getting an engine or anything. Yeah, sadly,

549
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 3: but yeah, I've been trying to see how long I

550
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 3: The first time I came across a boat, very early

551
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 3: in the game, I was very excited. I added some

552
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 3: wood to it and I tried to use it as

553
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 3: a bridge, and it fell horribly down like a giant click,

554
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 3: and I was like screaming into the night.

555
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 4: I was like, no, no.

556
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 2: Another staple of these Breath of the Wild games is

557
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: like the funny unintentional deaths, like have you guys had

558
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: your first funny, silly, kind of humiliating death with.

559
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,479
Speaker 4: Why I've had so many, I swear to I've been

560
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 4: playing these.

561
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 6: I played Breath of the World so much and it

562
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 6: did not stop me from just constantly dying.

563
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 4: Like especially when I first you know, I love the.

564
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 6: Sky Kingdom stuff and like it's really cool like the

565
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 6: sky Islands. But the first couple of times when I

566
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 6: didn't realize you had to like sometimes you have to

567
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 6: press to like properly dive. It will be like accelerate,

568
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 6: and if you don't, it's like you just definitely died,

569
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 6: Like it's it's going horribly wrong. Also, just jumping into

570
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 6: nothing because you think a river is there?

571
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: Done that?

572
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, mine was. I was building. I was

573
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: I found a body of water and I was building

574
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: like a raft, so I'd stuck like three or four

575
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: tree trunks together and I but I needed to get

576
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: down to actually get to the red to the water,

577
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: so like I fell off a cliff, but I didn't

578
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: know that if you fall from a certain height, you

579
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: just stop livitating the stuff. So like I fell down,

580
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: took off like half a heart and then I was

581
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: smushing myself with the raft that I was making, and

582
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: they played that and then embarrassing.

583
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's really similar to the food music.

584
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 4: For some reason, the thing is really good very early on.

585
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 6: You can cook pretty good stuff if you reach the

586
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 6: guardian who tells you how to cook it. Like they

587
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 6: have a one called a pepper steak, and it looks

588
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 6: so good.

589
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 4: It's like a sky shible, a fire plant.

590
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 6: A piece of meat, and an acorn, and when you

591
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 6: look at that image, you want to eat it.

592
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 4: Like they got even better with the illustrations.

593
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 6: So yeah, I got very quickly distracted after having to

594
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 6: remember how you cook because I was like standing next

595
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 6: to it and I was pressing my up button on

596
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 6: a dpad like Okay, I'm looking at the food and

597
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 6: it was like and I was like, oh, I've got

598
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 6: to go to.

599
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 4: The inventory and do it that way, Like.

600
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 6: It definitely took me a little while to get back

601
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 6: into it, but it is like so much then. The

602
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 6: Sky Islands is such a good way to make it

603
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 6: immediately feel very different from Breath of the Wild.

604
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, my funniest death thus far, other than the various

605
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: times that I've just run out of stamina jumping off

606
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: of something like with my I've got the paraglider now,

607
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: and I just I'm early in the game, so I

608
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: have a wheel and about an eighth of a wheel

609
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: of stamina, and so I've died many many times, just

610
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: like falling from great heights. But I was early in

611
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: the game. In the Sky Islands. There's these like floating

612
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: metal platforms that are thick, you know, And so I

613
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: was trying. I was using logs as bridges and moving

614
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: them with ultra hand and then attaching them right. So

615
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: I get up onto one, and I didn't realize that

616
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: they react to weight. So I I climb onto it,

617
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: and I use ultrahand again to grab another log that

618
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: I cut down that was still on solid ground, and

619
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: I pull it over to this floating platform that I

620
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: and I just kind of put it down and the

621
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: weight of it tips the entire platform, so that I

622
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: fall off, the log hits me and I die.

623
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's too early in the game, but what

624
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: kind of fits are we working with? Like what's your drip?

625
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: Like with my is it's rudimentary, but it's getting a

626
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: little better. I've I've got the Hirouli Hood, which I

627
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: got at the at Hirael Castle. So when you I

628
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: don't want to spoil it, but when you when you

629
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: kind of first get into the main quest of the game,

630
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: the interaction takes place in front of Hygroul Castle, where

631
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: there's a whole research and development project going on about

632
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: like what's the current state of high Rule and how

633
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: do we stop it? And there I was able to

634
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: buy like a decent tune in and the Hood, and

635
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: up in the sky Islands, I had also managed to

636
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: find like warm weather cold weather pants, which was super

637
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: important because you're up there basically nude and other than

638
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: like the hot peppers, which you can make like warming

639
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: foods out of, like I was just freezing. What do

640
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: you got?

641
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's basically it. I'm I'm rocking I.

642
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: After I got to hiral I just you know, I

643
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 2: had let the boys out, so I took the shirt

644
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: off and now I'm just rocking the cold weather pants

645
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 2: until I find something something more suitable. But like in

646
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: the Breath of the Wild, I was, I always rocked

647
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 2: the either the Dark Link oh Yeah fit or the

648
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,479
Speaker 2: like the I think they gave you like rock climbing gear,

649
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: because I think that's honestly the most important part is

650
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 2: like being able to like climb fast like I that

651
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: was that to me was the only the only the

652
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 2: only hint of like a bad note for that game

653
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: was like it takes so long to actually climb u

654
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: in the game unless you want to like waste out

655
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: your stamina jumping up.

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Speaker 1: I always wore the Barbarian set, which was is kind.

657
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: Of like that the one with the yeah with the.

658
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: Horns and stuff, and you're kind of shirtless and you

659
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: get the thighs out. It's kind of like a cone

660
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: in the Barbarian look, but it gives you like a

661
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: boosts to attack and stamina. I would I would wear that,

662
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: and honestly the Dark set also when I was just

663
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: kind of running around, uh. And then of course, like situationally,

664
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: you know, like if you're in a cold environment, I

665
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: would wear something to protect against the cold. The rubber

666
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: suit in case there are electrical storms going on, you know,

667
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 1: the the garudo like veil and kind of gauzy outfit

668
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: and just in case you're in that that intense heat.

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Speaker 1: But I'm hoping, I'm really hoping, as with all my games,

670
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: to really get my drip going right now, because it's

671
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: very very rudimentical.

672
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: That's that's that's always like the end game for me

673
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: is like what kind of kind of get off? Uh uh?

674
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: This is just so I did the I did a

675
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 2: pre order at best Buy with a couple of friends

676
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: and they purchased some ambos along with it. Now, I've

677
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 2: never been an ambo an ambo user, but do you

678
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 2: have one? And like, have you ever used one with

679
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 2: like this one or Breath of the Wild?

680
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: I have not done it. I'm glad that you actually

681
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: don't need the ambo for to get content for Tears

682
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: of the Kingdom and I've not been an Ambo person.

683
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: How do you use it? That's the other thing is

684
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: I'm unclear on how the amiebo works.

685
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: My old man brain also has a similar, very similar question.

686
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: But I think I guess there's some type of like

687
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: Bluetooth type of device where like you just tap it

688
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 2: to either I guess your game pro controller or the

689
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 2: physical switch, and then I guess you get items from that.

690
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: But I again, old man, sig, I do not know.

691
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 2: I have not actually physically used one before.

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Speaker 1: we're back. What else are you playing right now? Zig?

703
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: I have a much too robust video game life. Uh,

704
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,479
Speaker 1: and yes, I'm eager to share the various video games

705
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: that I'm both waiting for and have been playing. But

706
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: what do you plan? What were you playing before this?

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Speaker 2: Well? I have a staple game that's it's a it's

708
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 2: a you know, it's a free to play gotcha game.

709
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: So like I got to get my hours in basically

710
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: every day for that that's called Gundam Battle Operation too.

711
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 2: I won't get into it because it's you know, I

712
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: just can't open that can of worms. But besides that,

713
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: I was a that was a huge resident Evil fore

714
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 2: fan for the Green for the GameCube, and the remake

715
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 2: just came out and I have gone. I have regressed

716
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: to full sixteen year old just playing through games again.

717
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: Like I beat it once, then I beat it on

718
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: a hardcore difficulty, and before Tiers of Kingdom Tears of

719
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 2: the Kingdom came out, I was speed running my way

720
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 2: through professional mode. If you beat it in under five

721
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: and a half hours, you get like a special gun

722
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: in the game and some special armor for one of

723
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 2: the characters. So like I was about thirty minutes into that.

724
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 2: I think I had breezed my way somehow through. Like

725
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 2: I think there are like sixteen levels in the game.

726
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: I had always I had already sped run my way

727
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 2: to like level four or five and like thirty minutes,

728
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 2: so like I was on a clear path I think

729
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: to take home the gold, but then High Rule came

730
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 2: calling back, so I had to ad to run away.

731
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 2: I was I was going to get Jedi Survivor, the

732
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: sequel to that, But you know I had, I had

733
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 2: to sort of flip a coin between this and Zelda,

734
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 2: and like I f like Zelda's just gonna just I

735
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 2: wouldn't have time to play that game, like Zea's gonna

736
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: take all my attention.

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Speaker 1: I have Jedi Survivor waiting impatiently for me to get

738
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: done with my Tears of the Kingdom fix, which probably

739
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: won't happen at least for a few days. But I'm

740
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: eager to play it. Let's see, I have been playing.

741
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: I'm always playing Overwatch too, just because it's a game

742
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: I can play for like a couple of minutes and

743
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: get my most toxic version of myself out. I'm a

744
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: incompetitive is that game?

745
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: Still? Do they shut down the service that.

746
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 1: It's ongoing in terms of like multiplayer games, like because

747
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: I've aged out of you know, like Call of Duty

748
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: in that I just don't have the twitch like nervous

749
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: system that way anymore. So I need to play like

750
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 1: different characters who don't just like point and shoot. So

751
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: Overwatch allows me to do different things, to play different

752
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 1: kinds of characters with different kinds of abilities. It's basically

753
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: like a multiplayer version of like the X Men this game,

754
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: and I usually play Healers, so I'm a bronze level one,

755
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: which is about as low as you can be in

756
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: this game incompetitive but that's because I'm on PC. I've

757
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: been playing let's see, I was playing Dead Island two recently,

758
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 1: which is the long awaited sequel to U I think

759
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven's Dead Island on the Xbox three

760
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 1: sixty console. Super fun game set in LA which allows

761
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: you to like craft different weapons and kill lots of

762
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: lots and lots of lots of zombies. If you like Borderlands,

763
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: you will like Dead Island. I'll see what else am'm playing.

764
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: I'm playing a lot of building games, zig like this

765
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: is why Tears of the Kingdom has got its hooks

766
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: into me. I love games where you can craft and

767
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: build things. So Sons of the Forest, which I've mentioned before,

768
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: is like you can you fight cannibals like on this

769
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: deserted island, and you can build like a base, and

770
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: you can build like catapults, and you can build different

771
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: like fortifications, and I've been doing that big time. I've

772
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: been playing a Green Hell, which is a survive in

773
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: the Amazon Jungle game. Okay, and it's a little too

774
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: hardcore for me, but it's still pretty fun. It's like

775
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: you're you start, it's like art in order to start

776
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: with like a stick in a rock, and like somehow

777
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: from that you build like machinery and different than like

778
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,959
Speaker 1: you know, and like a house out of mud.

779
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 2: I think we may have talked about this on the

780
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: picket line, but like I had friends that are really

781
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 2: into arc but it seemed that the buy in seemed

782
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: such a long time to get to where I needed

783
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 2: to get in that game that I just could not

784
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 2: fathom running around with the stick being eaten by sabers

785
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 2: sooo tigers. But I have seen like I have seen

786
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 2: like in game videos where you can so you can

787
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 2: capture animals in the game and use them as mounts.

788
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: But someone had captured like a giant pterosaurus and had

789
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: built fully built a base on the back of the

790
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: terosaurs and put a mini gun into like they were

791
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: fully just had built a flying fortress and were just

792
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 2: like they did built basically built a hellicarreer and they

793
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: were just like flying around gunning down monsters I guess,

794
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: to get whatever they needed to get, like that seems fun,

795
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 2: Like I like to get to that point, but like

796
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: the in between that and like the thirty hours I'd

797
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 2: have to put in, like get at that point is

798
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 2: always pretty damnant.

799
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Arc is a game where I had to check

800
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: out because I kept getting eaten by like Turannosaurus rexes,

801
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: and I literally had like a spear with a like

802
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: some straw like wrapping around the handle, like I didn't

803
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: have anything. I'm playing The Wandering Village, which is an

804
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: indie game probably available on all consoles. The conceit is

805
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: imagine like the building mechanic from like Age of Empires,

806
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: where you like build different types of buildings and unlock

807
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: different things for your society. And you're building this on

808
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: the on the huge shell of this giant walking four

809
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 1: legged like turtle like beast. Oh yea that yeah, And

810
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: as it walks around, it goes through different regions of

811
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: this world with different weather patterns and different levels of

812
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: like pollution, and so you have to establish like a

813
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: bond with this animal. You can either choose to like

814
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: explore it and use its blood and use its bodily

815
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: fluid for stuff which can harm it, or you can

816
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: choose to like which comes with some boosts, like there

817
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: are reasons for doing that, but then you can do

818
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 1: other things that like build your trust with the creature.

819
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: And if you can build your trust with a creature,

820
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: you can like tell it to go certain ways so

821
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: it doesn't like walk into like the desert where it's

822
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: all hot and now all of a sudden you have water.

823
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: That game is really fun. And let's see what else

824
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: am I playing. I'm getting ready to play Diablo for you, Diablo.

825
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: Person No, But I was gonna why as you were talking,

826
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: I was thinking about a game. I've been replaying a

827
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: game that I really was a big fan of years ago, Xcom,

828
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 2: the Xcom series. I've been replaying Xcom two. Would you

829
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 2: would you did you ever get into the Xcom games

830
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 2: or x Xcom style games?

831
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, x Com is how would you describe it as

832
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: like a third person turn based strategy action game in

833
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: which the player is fighting off an alien invasion.

834
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 2: Yes, with like element very light elements of like resource management,

835
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 2: like like you're like running a bureaucracy, government bureaucracy. So

836
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 2: it's like you need to go to Nibbia to negotiate

837
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 2: to get enough iron to give to England, which is like,

838
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: it can be a little boring and frustrating, but the actual,

839
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: like moment to moment gameplay where you're doing the strategy

840
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: is very addicting because you build, you build. Basically you

841
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: build individual soldiers and you become bizarrely attached to them,

842
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: and if they die, they die, and so like you

843
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: know you and sometimes if you're like me, like you'll

844
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 2: fully restart campaigns because you've lost your favorite French soldier

845
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 2: that has been looking you since mission too.

846
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: You know, do you have any wrecks of recent games

847
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: or games you've played in recent years that you've quite enjoyed.

848
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: I know our friend Andrews, I'm out of Marvel Snap,

849
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: which is basically Hearthstone with Marvel skin on it.

850
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 2: That is really really Yeah, I've heard that game is addicting.

851
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 2: I mean, I've heard all of those sort of card

852
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 2: based games or addictings. That's why I've never really dumped

853
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 2: into them, because I just know I have that in me.

854
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: I'll hit like some greatest hits like Hades. If you're

855
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 2: going to get a switch, I highly recommend Hades, one

856
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 2: of the best video games ever made. Fantastic story, fantastic

857
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: voice acting, fantastic, fastic art direction, It's it's all you

858
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: can ask for. It's a fantastic game. It's one of

859
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 2: the few games that I look. I feel sad when

860
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: I boot it up because I see the triple digits

861
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: I've put into it hour wise, But that's a great game.

862
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 2: I think a little bit more modern Resona before remake

863
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: again Capital V video Game. It's a game that does

864
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: not take itself seriously, but also does take itself very

865
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 2: seriously at moments. It's a really really fun ride. I

866
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 2: highly recommend that. And you know, for fighting games, I

867
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: highly recommend Dragon Ball Fighters, which came out maybe four

868
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 2: years ago at this point. But if you're a fan

869
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 2: of like morea versus capcom style arcade, fast paced action,

870
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: and a fan of the anime Dragon Ball Z, I

871
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 2: highly recommend that. Fantastic art. They use a system that's

872
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: that sort of replicates and style so it looks like

873
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 2: you're playing an episode of the anime or the manga

874
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 2: The Shore the Monk. It's really really cool. Those are

875
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 2: probably like my three or four go to titles to play,

876
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: And of course you know Twilight Cheers of the Kingdom,

877
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: just because it's going to be the only thing anyone's

878
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 2: ever talking about for the next Oh.

879
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: Absolutely, let's see for For the folks who are gonna game,

880
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: I'm always I'm always recommending STARDUW Valley. It's available indie game,

881
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: available on any platform. Just one of the deepest, most positive,

882
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: most addicting games ever. It's ostensibly like a farm resource

883
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: management simulator, but it goes much deeper than that and

884
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: explores themes of like corporatism versus naturalism, community versus isolation,

885
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: capitalism versus you know, shared responsibilities and benefits, and it

886
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: is just like delightful to look at Crusader King's three.

887
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: Crusader Kings three is one so fucking hard and hard

888
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: to get your arms around. I had to watch no joke,

889
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: like six hours of tutorials to like really kind of

890
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: understand the Crusader Kings like mechanics. But once you kind

891
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: of get it, and the tutorial is pretty good at

892
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: giving it to you, it can be really fun. I

893
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: usually play as a like as a skullduggery focused ruler,

894
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: which means like I'm spreading rumors about my rivals. I'm

895
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: like sending spies to like enemy castles to find out

896
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: like who's fucking who? And like, what are the secrets

897
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: I could use to get leverage on people? And like

898
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: how can I lure this person to my kingdom so

899
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: that I could fucking imprison them and kill them? You know.

900
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: And what's really cool about Crusader Kings three is much

901
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: like Crusader King's two. There is a Westros mod so

902
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: it's just been at least I think a month ago.

903
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: You can basically play as a ruler in on the

904
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: continent of Westers. You can either be a Stark, you

905
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: can be a Lanister, you can be a Braathian, and

906
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: then I think you can be a great joy and

907
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 1: through that you can try and unify west Ross under

908
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: your control. And it's the same mechanics as the Crusader

909
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: King's three game, but they've skinned it for uh for

910
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: a Song of Ice and Fire with like biographical material

911
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 1: from the from the games, from the from the books.

912
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 1: Excuse me, And it's super fun.

913
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 2: Let's see I'm playing that you did you do you

914
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 2: go with?

915
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: I go with the Starks because it's honestly the easiest.

916
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:48,439
Speaker 1: It's it's the easiest difficulty and because you just start

917
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: out with mcmassive bonuses to like uh war fighting, so

918
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: very easy to get gold by just like sending armies

919
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: to raid. It's like whoever, like when you start the game,

920
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: Robert's rebellion is like ongoing. So the thing I like

921
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: to do is send my armies to fight the Lanisters

922
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: and king aries his forces. But instead of like fighting

923
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: his armies, I'll like go to different areas and just

924
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 1: like while Robert Brathian's armies are like doing the heavy lifting,

925
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: I'll just like raid villages and like take a lit

926
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 1: I am if you want to play like something that's

927
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: like very like sixteen bit throwback y that's like an

928
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: always changing like dungeon caller experience kind of It's like Hades,

929
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: only like like with that kind of sixteen bit throwback style.

930
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: Noida is really fun. It's basically you play as a

931
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: kind of wizard that explores all these different kind of

932
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: caverns where you find all kinds of different monsters in there.

933
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: And and let's see what else am I playing. Oh

934
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: here's one last suggestion, is Celeste. Have you played Celeste?

935
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, no, but I've heard nothing but fantastic things

936
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 2: about it.

937
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: West is probably the best video game about mental health

938
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:20,240
Speaker 1: that I've ever played. It's a a two D platformer

939
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: that is really really hard, but the hardness of the

940
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: mechanic underlines the theme of like processing trauma and trying

941
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: and trying again to overcome certain things in your life.

942
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: And it's all about this character, Celeste, who's climbing this mountains,

943
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,879
Speaker 1: like huge mountain and trying to find herself and come

944
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: to peace with herself, and she faces all these different

945
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,280
Speaker 1: challenges along the way, and it is super super addicting,

946
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: really really hard, but really really fun. Again, It's available

947
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: on basically whatever platform you have. And then if you

948
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: really want to get toxic and you're not good at

949
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: shooting things anymore and you want to play a multiplayer game,

950
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: that is the closest I've ever felt to like, this

951
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: must be what it feels like to be in the NBA.

952
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: Overwatched too. It's people are gonna hang on it, but

953
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: it's still fun. When I play Competitive Zig in the

954
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: competitive mode, yeah, and all the for all the marbles,

955
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: all the chips are on the table. People are sniping

956
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: at each other in the chat, like why are you

957
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 1: picking that character? What the fuck are you doing? Stop

958
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: standing in the doorway, do like It is the closest

959
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: I think I've ever I'll ever come to feeling like

960
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: I'm a professional athlete, like competing in something that matters.

961
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: That that's in one of those games where I'm so

962
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 2: bad at it. But like when you do have a

963
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 2: good day or a good match, you are like count

964
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 2: the rings. Like that's very much the feeling when you're like, oh,

965
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 2: you're picking honso that's trash, like count the rings. Baby.

966
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: Well, Zig, let's talk about the writers strikes, since since

967
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: you mentioned it, we do go and pick it at

968
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: five in the morning. Most recently we were we were

969
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: together with her friend Andrew and Cornsack and z at

970
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: five in the morning at Rally Studios trying to shut

971
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: down a production over there. What has your experience been

972
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: like over the course of this two week long, three

973
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: week long strike.

974
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 2: I was in sort of a unique position because the

975
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 2: last show I was on wrapped in February, so like,

976
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 2: I really didn't have much going on outside of you know,

977
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 2: occasional podcast and writing comic books. So like, I definitely

978
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 2: had the free time and like was used to having

979
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 2: pretty open days, like I do nothing besides wake up,

980
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 2: do a little bit of writing workout and then like

981
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 2: fuck off for the rest of the day. So like

982
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 2: this has been a perfect perfect excuse for me to

983
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 2: like dedicate some of that like energy I've had, but

984
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 2: I've been I've never picketed anything before, like I've protested,

985
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 2: but I've never been part of like a union action,

986
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 2: so like it's been very sort of inspiring to see

987
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 2: something this will organized be mobilized. I've been hitting predominantly

988
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 2: Disney Studios because that's the company I've worked for the most,

989
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 2: and also parking is easier in the valley. But it's

990
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 2: been interesting seeing how each each picketing site has its

991
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 2: own little like ecosystem, Like it's like different, it's like

992
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 2: different tables in like the high school lunch room, you know, like, oh,

993
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 2: this is the cool table, this is like the weird table.

994
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 2: This is the table like the burnout and freaks hang out.

995
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 2: Like it's been very very fun. Also, it's just been

996
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 2: nice to like for me anyway, I think maybe the

997
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 2: same for you. Like most of my writing experience has

998
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 2: been through Zoom, so like, yeah, seeing other people in

999
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 2: person for the first time has been very interesting. Particular

1000
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 2: people that you only know from online or you only

1001
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 2: know from like Little Boxes and the Zooms. Like I

1002
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 2: was telling Jason earlier before we started recording that we

1003
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 2: had a Futurama meetup last week at Paramount, and I,

1004
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 2: you know, I had been with these people for like

1005
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 2: more than a year, but it's still the first time

1006
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 2: that I'm meeting like half the cast in person. So

1007
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 2: like I'm finally meeting like Billy West and Dave Herman

1008
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 2: and Maurice La March and all these people that are

1009
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 2: has been have been in my computer screen for basically

1010
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 2: a year, even more so in my brain for for

1011
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 2: for watching the show. But like it's been for nice

1012
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 2: that in that regard, and also it's been nice watching

1013
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 2: the greater community of Los Angeles come together.

1014
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 7: You know.

1015
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 2: It is an industry challenge. Yeah, a lot of a

1016
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 2: lot of solidarity from businesses. I've had, you know, businesses

1017
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: reach out to me like ask how to get in

1018
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 2: contact to like donate food or donate time and stuff.

1019
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 2: It's been really great, And a lot of businesses have

1020
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 2: been offering discounts and for for WJ members, which has

1021
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 2: been nice. It's the only time I've worn like a

1022
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 2: WJ shirt and have people give me nods and like

1023
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 2: solidarity fist while walking down the shoet. He's been very interesting,

1024
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 2: Like it's been a really fun experience, very unique experience.

1025
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 2: But what is your what is your experience been?

1026
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: Like you know, I've learned. I've been learning so much,

1027
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: and I think the thing that has really stood out

1028
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: to me, you know, as this union tries to grapple

1029
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: with the issues facing it is like you said, like

1030
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a person who's like, writing for TV is

1031
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: not all that I do. And it suddenly struck me

1032
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: how basically almost everyone I know that is a member

1033
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: of the WGA does other things. Like if their income

1034
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: was just writing for TV, they probably would not be

1035
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: able to live in la certainly or like survive because

1036
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, the way the industry is is you get

1037
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: on a show, maybe you work for ten weeks or

1038
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,919
Speaker 1: twelve weeks or whatever. Pay during that time is great,

1039
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: like you know, really you know, great union wages, union

1040
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: bargained wages, so great. But then the show's over. There's

1041
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: a hold on you because if it gets picked up

1042
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: or if it comes back at a certain time, they

1043
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: have like the right to have you basically book you first,

1044
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: you have to clear out like part of your calendar,

1045
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: and also it's hard to get other digs, so you

1046
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: might not work again for two, three, four months, eight months.

1047
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: And it has nothing to do with how talented you are,

1048
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: how brilliant of a writer you are. That's just the

1049
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: way the landscape of this is now. And you mentioned

1050
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: the zoom issue. I think, you know, the fact that

1051
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: writers don't go to set anymore is really one of

1052
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: the huge issues that we're dealing with, because that is

1053
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: the path to forward advancement. You know, like you're seeing

1054
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: now a lot of this kind of like discourse about well, well,

1055
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: you know, like a lot of the yes, the CEOs

1056
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: make a lot of money, but a lot of the

1057
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: highest earning writers make multi multi, multi millions of dollars,

1058
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: and they're very very successful in some of them. Mike White,

1059
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: you know, Matt Winer, they don't have they they have

1060
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: very small like writers rooms, so they just work on

1061
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: their own. So, like, what are the issues we're dealing with, Well,

1062
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: first of all, those people like Matt Weiner, I think

1063
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: his like first gig was like what was Andy Richter's

1064
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: What was that Andy Richter show from the early two thousand.

1065
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 2: Like that Andy Rictor controls universe, any rictud.

1066
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: Controls the universe. Yeah, and like that was his first

1067
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: forays a working writer, where I'm sure he garnered the

1068
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: benefits and the and you know, the health benefits and

1069
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: the and the retirement benefits that are that you get

1070
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: when you're a member of the union. The way people

1071
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: get there to those too, if they are fortunate enough

1072
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: to become like this massive force in the industry is

1073
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: by working their way up the ladder. And basically that

1074
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: ladder is being like pulled up ahead of so many people.

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Speaker 1: Like uh, and it's really concerning, you know. I think

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Speaker 1: the AI issue is one that and the minimum uh

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Speaker 1: minimum staff writer number is two issues that I kind

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Speaker 1: of didn't understand, you know. Like, so one of our

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Speaker 1: proposals is to set a number of minimum a minimum

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Speaker 1: number of writers for each room for each kind of show. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and why are we doing this. The reason is because

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Speaker 1: increasingly shows in mini rooms are being produced by like

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Speaker 1: one head writer and like a handful of other writers.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to whittle it down. And with the entrance

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Speaker 1: of AI into the into the field, you know, you

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Speaker 1: could see a world in which the studios would just

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Speaker 1: want like AI generating ideas and then a couple, maybe

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Speaker 1: one writer or two, making it palatable for human consumusable.

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Speaker 1: And in that case you'd have you know, like one

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Speaker 1: hundred shows and two hundred writers, and the WGA ceases

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Speaker 1: to exist as a body. At that point. There's no

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Speaker 1: health insurance, there's none of that stuff. So it really

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Speaker 1: is when people say it's existential, it kind of is.

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Speaker 1: It really is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, also, all of a sudden you mentioned before

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Speaker 2: about you know, these mini rooms and being together and

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Speaker 2: your show coming out and all that stuff. Also there's

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Speaker 2: a rally where your show just doesn't come out, Like

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Speaker 2: you spent all this time working on something, but then

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Speaker 2: you don't have the calling card. But yes, I worked

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01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 2: on this, I have something to show you. It can

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Speaker 2: just not be made, or it can be made, and

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01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 2: then it can be pulled off of the platform that

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Speaker 2: was on to be sold off for like you zero

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Speaker 2: point five percent off of the end of the year

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Speaker 2: of taxes. So like I've been lucky to work for

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Speaker 2: I mean I did work for a show that's been

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Speaker 2: pulled off by my first show, Credit the Creek, Like

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Speaker 2: you can't find it on HBO Max anymore. Like it's gone,

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Speaker 2: Like it's a show that was also the Mad Shore

1111
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 2: that was canceled, you know, halfway through it's fifth season

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Speaker 2: with the spinoff that was canceled. You know, I've been

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01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 2: lucky in that most of the other shows I've worked

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Speaker 2: for have been bigger shows, Like you know, it's gonna

1115
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Speaker 2: it would be very hard for Marvel to be like, no,

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01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 2: we're just gonna not show Shee Hulk anymore. We're done

1117
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 2: with that. You know, it's kind of hard to be,

1118
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 2: like for who to be like, yeah, we're not We're

1119
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 2: going to cancel this reboot for Futurama because it has

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Speaker 2: a staying power or whatever. So like, I've been very

1121
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 2: lucky in that regard, but I know for fact that

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01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 2: that most other writers don't have that. Like it's it's

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Speaker 2: very like I worked on Futurama for fifty six weeks,

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Speaker 2: and that is a very rare thing for people to

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Speaker 2: do in this industry at this level and may be

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Speaker 2: able to earn like an actual living. But even with that,

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01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 2: like I was still doing this podcast occasionally, I was

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Speaker 2: also still writing comic books because you know that well

1129
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 2: is going to dry up and you can go, like

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Speaker 2: you said, two four six eight, Sometimes a year year

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Speaker 2: and a half between between jobs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have no idea how long this is going

1133
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Speaker 1: to go. I hope it ends to the benefit of

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01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: all in a rapid manner, but it may not considering

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Speaker 1: how far apart the sides are. But it's been delight.

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Speaker 1: It's been really great to be, as you said, like

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01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: shoulder and shoulder with so many talented people. I think

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Speaker 1: one of the coolest parts of this is meeting generations

1139
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: of writers who, because they struck in actions years ago,

1140
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: we are now able to enjoy stuff like being able

1141
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: to go to the doctor, you know, and see a dentist,

1142
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: you know, and the fact that those people are doing

1143
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: it again. It feels good, you know. It feels like

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01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: right now, I've got a show coming out. I can't

1145
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: promote it because we're on strike, but it feels But

1146
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: it also feels like good to be part of this

1147
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: thing that hopefully can solidify this as a career for

1148
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: all the people out there who dream of writing for

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01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: a living and hopefully get into this field. Like for

1150
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: this to exist in years to come, we have to

1151
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: be victorious now, and I hope we are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us Zig. Do you have anything to plug.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, I always a pleasure to come back you. Actually,

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01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 2: as of this recording, Miles Morales spider Man number six

1156
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 2: has just come out. Check it out. It's a really

1157
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 2: fun book. I've been very lucky that the reviews have

1158
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 2: been great and the sales have been great. So I

1159
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 2: just found out the other week that you know, I

1160
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 2: was originally contracted for twelve issues and now it's up

1161
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 2: to twenty five. Got me for two years off Miles

1162
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 2: was really fun. It's been a fun rye like. I

1163
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 2: love that I get to play with this character. So

1164
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 2: check that out. It's literally, literally one of my dreams

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01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 2: come true is writing writing Miles Morales.

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Speaker 1: It's great to hang out with.

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Speaker 7: Heasy.

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Speaker 1: I'll see you on the picket line four in the

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01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 1: morning soon. Up next Hive Mind with Shawn Gunn to

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Speaker 1: discuss Guardians of the Galaxy three. Welcome to the Hive Mind,

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01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: where we discuss a topic in detail with an expert guest.

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Speaker 1: In this episode, who could be more of an expert

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01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 1: than Seawn Gunn, who co stars as Kraglin and Guardians

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Speaker 1: of the Galaxy volume three and the franchise in general.

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Speaker 1: Shawn gun Welcome to Extra Vision thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: joining us, Thank you for having me. Congrats on a

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Speaker 1: rousing conclusion to the Guardian is trilogy rousing.

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Speaker 7: I like that it was.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was a raccoon made me cry, which

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Speaker 1: was many times unexpected.

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Speaker 4: Many many times.

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Speaker 7: That's good. That's our job.

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Speaker 1: Any any thoughts now looking back on this trilogy, like

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Speaker 1: fun moments, highlights, Oh my gosh, how.

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Speaker 7: Much time do you have?

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Speaker 8: It's like it really has been an amazing it will

1187
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Speaker 8: always be a touchstone for my entire career, these movies.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you know, I.

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Speaker 8: Went to London to shoot the first one around ten

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Speaker 8: years ago, and and now three movies later, and you know,

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Speaker 8: it's such a it's you know, ten years is twenty

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Speaker 8: percent of my life, so it's like it's a it's

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Speaker 8: a big it's a big part of me. The people

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Speaker 8: that I met and then I worked with along the way,

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Speaker 8: working with my brother. But really the most important thing

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Speaker 8: is just making movies that I'm proud of and that

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Speaker 8: I think are really you know, strong stories to tell.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you mentioned that, you know, that ten year journey.

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Speaker 5: In that time, we've also seen comic book movies go

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Speaker 5: from being something that was still kind of seen as

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Speaker 5: niche and you know, when Guardians came out, people were like,

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Speaker 5: nobody knows who these characters are if you weren't like us,

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Speaker 5: And like digging in the back bends of a comic

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Speaker 5: bookshop to becoming the biggest thing in the world. What's

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Speaker 5: that journey been like kind of being a part of that,

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Speaker 5: especially as one of the most ragtag, unexpected but beloved

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Speaker 5: kind of teams.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I certainly feel very fortunate to be a part

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Speaker 8: not only of the MCU, but definitely this franchise in general.

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Speaker 8: But you're right, it's like it's a good it was

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Speaker 8: a good time to sort of get in the door

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Speaker 8: right when, right when comic book movies are the biggest

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Speaker 8: things in the world. Though I don't think I'm not

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Speaker 8: somebody who thinks that, Okay, well the Heyday is going

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Speaker 8: to be over and then that's it.

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Speaker 7: They're going to go away.

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Speaker 8: You know, comic books themselves didn't go away, you know,

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Speaker 8: years strong exactly. It's like they're they're a great template

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Speaker 8: for telling great stories, so we're going to keep having them.

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Speaker 8: I don't know if they'll be as as they'll always

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Speaker 8: be the biggest movies of the year, but so what

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Speaker 8: they're they're going to be. They're going to always be

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Speaker 8: around and we're going to keep telling great stories with them.

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Speaker 1: How do you view Kraglin when you embody this character?

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Speaker 1: Who is Kraglin?

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Speaker 7: It's a good question, you know.

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Speaker 8: I The funny thing is is that I didn't know

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Speaker 8: exactly who Kraglin was really until I saw the first movie.

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Speaker 8: You know, it was like we because we experimented on

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Speaker 8: set a lot. By we, I mean my brother James

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Speaker 8: and I on who this guy was. And I knew

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Speaker 8: that he was kind of, you know, Yandu's sort of sidekick.

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Speaker 8: He was listed as the first mate, but we weren't

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Speaker 8: sure what was going to make effective, and we played

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Speaker 8: with him being a little more menacing or a little

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Speaker 8: bit you know, dope eer, or more bored or more whatever,

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Speaker 8: and he just kind of landed where he landed, and

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Speaker 8: then I saw it, and then I sort of understood

1239
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Speaker 8: who he was. You get this glimpse at the end

1240
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Speaker 8: of the first movie where we know that that Kraglin

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Speaker 8: was there. When Yondu uh picks up Peter Quill from Earth,

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Speaker 8: Kraiglan is already there on the ship and he's not

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Speaker 8: that much older than Peter, so they've they've grown up together.

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Speaker 8: Then in the second movie, what we kind of learn

1245
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Speaker 8: is that is that this is the prodigal son. It's

1246
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Speaker 8: the parable of the Prodigal Sun's story right where Quill is.

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Speaker 8: This is the son who leaves, and Kraglin's the one

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Speaker 8: who stays. And for whatever reason, YANDU seems so happy

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Speaker 8: and we welcoming and opened to Peter and Kraglin a

1250
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 8: little bit like what about me? I've been here the

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Speaker 8: whole time. That's been his journey to figure that out.

1252
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Speaker 8: And then into the third movie, still wanting to do right,

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01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 8: still wanting to like be a good to produce, to

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Speaker 8: help the team, to be a good soldier, which is

1255
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Speaker 8: really a driving thing for Kraglin, but trying to put

1256
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Speaker 8: it in the place of but who am I here?

1257
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 8: Where is on the on the outside or am I

1258
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,560
Speaker 8: part of it? And you know, we get to we

1259
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Speaker 8: get a fund with Whimson to how that all goes

1260
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:33,640
Speaker 8: for him?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and then what about your kind of other performance,

1262
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 5: because you are in quite a rare situation where you

1263
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 5: get to play someone in live action and craft this

1264
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Speaker 5: character of Kraglin, but you're also essentially a creature performer

1265
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Speaker 5: bringing Rocket to life in MOCAP when you're on the set,

1266
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Speaker 5: So what's it like to see Rocket go on this

1267
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 5: journey that obviously in the third movie. This is Rockets movie.

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Speaker 1: This is the story of him.

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Speaker 7: It really is.

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Speaker 8: It really is Rockets movie. You know, I've been again,

1271
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Speaker 8: I've been in the right place at the right time

1272
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 8: here and there in my career, and I also have, fortunately,

1273
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Speaker 8: I have certain weird skills and one of those skills

1274
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Speaker 8: that I'm super limber. And in the first movie, when

1275
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 8: we needed we needed somebody to you know, play Rocket

1276
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 8: with the other actors. My brother James knew he wanted

1277
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 8: someone he had trusted and worked with, and then the

1278
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Speaker 8: first rehearsal, I just kind of got down on all

1279
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 8: fours and started doing it. And so I've contributed in

1280
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 8: the process of creating Rocket. I mean, of course Rocket

1281
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 8: has an entire team of people that make him. He's got,

1282
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 8: you know, my brother the writer quarterbacking everything. And then

1283
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 8: of course I do my part on set. The visual

1284
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,759
Speaker 8: effects team takes it from there, and then Bradley Cooper

1285
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 8: really is just amazing and kind of makes the whole

1286
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 8: character complete when he puts.

1287
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:57,759
Speaker 7: All the pieces together.

1288
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 8: From my point of view, I just try to do

1289
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 8: what I do for any character, which is I try

1290
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 8: to to understand where they are in time and space

1291
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 8: when we see when we see them in they're doing

1292
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 8: their scenes, and I try to do right by them.

1293
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 7: So I, uh, yeah, it's a it's a lot of

1294
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 7: it takes a lot of focus and energy, but but

1295
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 7: I'm really happy to have been able to do it.

1296
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:27,679
Speaker 1: Tell us about about working with Sylvester Stalloney. It makes

1297
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 1: his first appearance in the second movie, and we see

1298
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 1: him here in the third movie. He has you know,

1299
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 1: I quote the line all the time about about the horse,

1300
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:40,680
Speaker 1: the horse of freedom, the goals of Gord and how

1301
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 1: they will not flash because of the various crimes he

1302
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 1: has committed. What is it? What was it like working

1303
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 1: with a legend like that?

1304
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 7: Well, what can you say about a legend? I was

1305
01:12:58,120 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 7: absolutely great.

1306
01:12:59,400 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: He was.

1307
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 7: How do I put it?

1308
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 8: He's what you'd expect. Does that make sense? I love

1309
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 8: having it and I love having him there. But he's

1310
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 8: a little larger than life from me. I I say

1311
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 8: hello and shakes my hand, He's like, as so goodness,

1312
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 8: But I don't I don't do too much. I get

1313
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 8: a little bit awestruck by somebody like him, you know,

1314
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 8: which is funny because I've worked with everybody now I worked,

1315
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 8: you know, like I did all the Avengers movies. I

1316
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 8: was on set every day with with all the Avengers,

1317
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 8: and and then you've added Suicide Squad, and I think

1318
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 8: my my resume for the biggest actors that I've worked

1319
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 8: with is is pretty pretty substantial now if I start

1320
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 8: listing all the people that I've worked with.

1321
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:51,480
Speaker 7: But Sly is in his own category.

1322
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 2: He's not like that.

1323
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 7: He's not like everyone else. He's not just a star.

1324
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 8: He's a he's an icon, right, But I can say

1325
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 8: that he was he was certainly very very nice to me,

1326
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 8: and I enjoyed every second I got to spend with.

1327
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 7: Him on set.

1328
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 5: Okay, and another important performance question about a coast so

1329
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 5: obviously Cosmo, Oh yeah, my MVP.

1330
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 4: How hard was it to tell Cosmo she was a

1331
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 4: bad dog?

1332
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 7: Because I'm an animal lover and I would never.

1333
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 3: You would never say that.

1334
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 7: You gotta understand, though, Kraglin's really his feelings are really

1335
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 7: hurt here.

1336
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, he's trying for so long, like you know,

1337
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 8: we see that he can't get the arrow right he's

1338
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 8: hit tracks. At the end of the second movie, he

1339
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,599
Speaker 8: doesn't even try to use it. In the Christmas special, he's.

1340
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:45,680
Speaker 7: Like, a break, I don't have the hang of it.

1341
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 8: I'm not even not like it. And then at the

1342
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 8: beginning of this movie, it's like he's putting us all

1343
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 8: into it, and Cosmo kind of laughs at him and just.

1344
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 7: And uh, you know, his feelings are hurt, so he

1345
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 7: he maybe as something that's a little bit I know,

1346
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 7: you shouldn't call your dog a bad dog, but it was.

1347
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:09,599
Speaker 8: It was hard, hard because Maria is amazing, So yeah,

1348
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 8: who who you know who plays Cosmo? Was right there

1349
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 8: for everything, and she's one of the most gifted and

1350
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 8: giving performers I've ever worked with. She's just like up

1351
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 8: for anything, and she's right there and it's like there's

1352
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 8: there's that's Cosmo. She's there's no, there's no question about it,

1353
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 8: and and her feelings were hurt. So feel was that

1354
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 8: Maria was like, can you tell me I'm.

1355
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 7: A good dog?

1356
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 1: Your collaboration with your brother James goes back to Tromeo

1357
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 1: and Juliet way way ways, my friend, What is that like?

1358
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: And how did it start for you? How did how

1359
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 1: did this uh, this life, this career in acting and

1360
01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 1: entertainment start for y'all.

1361
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 8: Well, you know the interesting thing, So James and I

1362
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 8: are there's six kids in our family, and so we

1363
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 8: we have four siblings in between. He's the oldest and

1364
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 8: I'm the youngest. We have four in between the two

1365
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 8: of us. We're all very tight in age, so we're

1366
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 8: like and and we're very close. We grew up together.

1367
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 8: We love music and movies and pop culture, and in

1368
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 8: a weird way, are our paths. You know, they were

1369
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 8: together when we're kids, and we're like working on stuff

1370
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 8: together and and and playing with our Star Wars figures

1371
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 8: in the basement. And then they diverged. We go off

1372
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 8: and do our separate things. And James went to writing

1373
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,799
Speaker 8: school and I went to acting school. I was always

1374
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 8: on the path to be an actor. And then for us,

1375
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 8: fortunately they came back together again and we our jobs

1376
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 8: fit very nicely. I actually think, if you know, if

1377
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:00,120
Speaker 8: the if the job was right, we'd probably work with

1378
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:03,679
Speaker 8: all of our siblings. It's you know, these their writers

1379
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 8: and creatives and things like that. But yeah, James was

1380
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 8: making Tromeo in ninety four in New York and I

1381
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 8: happened to be in acting school in Chicago and it

1382
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:23,599
Speaker 8: was summertime and I had access to some decent actors.

1383
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 3: So like.

1384
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 8: Some of the people that are you know, a Valentine

1385
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 8: Meely who's in the place, Murray and Tromeo was just

1386
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 8: my classmate who.

1387
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,680
Speaker 7: Brought them out and like whatever. But it's always like

1388
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:39,639
Speaker 7: that with me and James.

1389
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 8: It's like we're going to try to We'll help each

1390
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:44,560
Speaker 8: other as much as we can, and we work together.

1391
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 7: When we can, you know.

1392
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you mentioned kind of these you know, playing

1393
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,639
Speaker 5: with Star Wars toys in the basement, loving pop culture,

1394
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 5: all of you having these shared interest Do you remember

1395
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,799
Speaker 5: reading comics together when you were kids? Were there comics

1396
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 5: that kind of you bonded over all? Was that something

1397
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 5: that came later with GARDI.

1398
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 8: Well, I have to be the full disclosure here is

1399
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 8: that James was always the comic book guy, and he

1400
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 8: was really dug dug deep into comics and.

1401
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 7: I was more of the type to gamble on sports.

1402
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 7: But that's a different on both sides are needed for

1403
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 7: another day.

1404
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 8: And so yeah, I always I like comics, but I

1405
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 8: was never the you know, James's obviously everyone knows this now.

1406
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:33,560
Speaker 8: But like James is a maniac for he he's like

1407
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 8: so into it. It's really his it's uh, you know,

1408
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 8: alongside music and movies and stuff. It's really such an intense,

1409
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 8: intense passion for him. Whereas I was always very appreciative,

1410
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 8: but I wasn't. I don't know from different you know,

1411
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:53,640
Speaker 8: the types of like I know, I know who the

1412
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 8: characters are, and I try to know a little something

1413
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 8: about what's going on. But but yeah, no I can't

1414
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 8: keep up the way he does.

1415
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 7: Uh.

1416
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 1: How lukedin are you with? James of course wrote and

1417
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,680
Speaker 1: directed Guardians three? How lukedin are you?

1418
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 5: Uh?

1419
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,679
Speaker 1: You know ahead of time on you know what James

1420
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 1: is thinking about which way the story is going to go?

1421
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:17,640
Speaker 6: Uh?

1422
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 2: Or are you do?

1423
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: You just prefer to show up on the day and

1424
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 1: here's the script and.

1425
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:26,560
Speaker 8: No, James loops me in real early. But part of

1426
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 8: it is just because I think he likes having you know,

1427
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 8: I stay on of it when he's writing, when he's

1428
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 8: like creator and the creation part. I don't have any

1429
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 8: any say there. I wouldn't want any say and it's

1430
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 8: not part of my thing. He gets he goes into

1431
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:47,720
Speaker 8: his James cocoon and does his thing. But usually when

1432
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,679
Speaker 8: he's done with the script, particularly for these Guardians movies,

1433
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,520
Speaker 8: he'll he'll sit me down and we'll have a conversation

1434
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 8: and he'll go over it with me and kind of

1435
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:58,760
Speaker 8: tell me everything that happens. So these movies, I mean,

1436
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:03,599
Speaker 8: I knew, you know, I knew when we were making

1437
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 8: the first movie. I knew what rockets entire backstory was

1438
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 8: that we end up seeing in the third movie.

1439
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 7: I knew a lot of that.

1440
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 8: And then, you know, just kind of along the way,

1441
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 8: after the first movie came out and it was and

1442
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,720
Speaker 8: it was successful, we knew we were making a second one.

1443
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:25,639
Speaker 8: He sat me down and told me everything that happened

1444
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 8: in the second movie, and I knew a lot of

1445
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 8: that stuff. I knew Whoquill's father was in the first

1446
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 8: movie too, So it's like it's like he sort of

1447
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:37,640
Speaker 8: like keeps me. He lets me know what's what's going on.

1448
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 8: And part I'm a fortress, I don't I don't sell

1449
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 8: to anyone ever, partially because I'm a good and loyal brother,

1450
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 8: but also because, as I said before, I'm a little

1451
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:53,600
Speaker 8: less interested in in the.

1452
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 7: So I forget things he'll tell me.

1453
01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:00,640
Speaker 8: He'll tell me like these big, huge secrets and and

1454
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 8: uh and people say, do you know what that secret is?

1455
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 7: I'm like, I know, he told me what I forgot.

1456
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 1: I am I'm not sure Ego who.

1457
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, but uh, you know, he he keeps me in

1458
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 7: on it, although I don't know much about what. I know.

1459
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 7: He's busy as hell right now.

1460
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:16,719
Speaker 8: We're working on you know, he's we got one project

1461
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 8: we're working on together, but for the most part, he's

1462
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,719
Speaker 8: he's knee deep in Superman and like doing all that stuff.

1463
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 7: I know very little about it.

1464
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 8: He told me how casting was going, and you know,

1465
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 8: before you get all excited that I'm going to say anything,

1466
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 8: we would come on, I know that it's going pretty well.

1467
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 7: That's always.

1468
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, good dear.

1469
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 5: You kind of talked about you talked a little bit

1470
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 5: about that project that you guys are working on. The

1471
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 5: Suicide Squad was like, is one of my favorite superho movies.

1472
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 5: I loved Weasel, so happy to see him survive. Oh

1473
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:54,640
Speaker 5: yeah when you played that character. As you said, you know,

1474
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 5: James kind of lets you in on this stuff. But

1475
01:21:56,320 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 5: obviously the trajectory of DC films has changed. Did you

1476
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 5: imagine you would get to bring Weasel back as a

1477
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,520
Speaker 5: kind of recurring character in something like Creature Commandos.

1478
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 7: Did I fear that I would be forced to bring

1479
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 7: Weasel back?

1480
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 4: Had you considered you would make a character so terrifying.

1481
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 5: And you have to bring it back.

1482
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 8: I knew we you know, I knew we shot that

1483
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,719
Speaker 8: that closing credits sequence where Weasel's alive.

1484
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:23,799
Speaker 7: So yeah, I knew Weasel was alive.

1485
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,599
Speaker 8: And I know It's like, in some ways, I think

1486
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:28,600
Speaker 8: Weasel is the cross I have to bear as an

1487
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 8: actor do stuff like that. It's it's I don't know

1488
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 8: what it is about me, but I'm for whatever reason,

1489
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 8: I'm good at characters that are just like total freaks,

1490
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 8: which is what Weasel is. I think we can all

1491
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 8: agree without offending anyone that Weasel is a freak.

1492
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 1: Oh no, I love Weasel is freaking.

1493
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, that's why we love him. But I'm happy.

1494
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 8: You know what's cool is that in Creature Commandos, We're

1495
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 8: going to get to learn a little more about Weasel.

1496
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 7: So I'm I'm excited for people to uh to see that.

1497
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:10,640
Speaker 1: It was revealed in in deleted scenes that Kraglin was

1498
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 1: present at the big battle at the Avengers compound at

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Speaker 1: the end of endgame in your mind? What was Kraglin

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Speaker 1: up to? How do you how do you do there?

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Speaker 8: Well, you know, you know, the concene was that Kraglin

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Speaker 8: did not survive the blips, so he was he did,

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Speaker 8: he did disappear for those five years and then he

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Speaker 8: came back and he would have still been with the

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Speaker 8: Ravagers at that at that time, so he was ready

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Speaker 8: to go. I mean, you know, like Kraglin's a great pilot,

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Speaker 8: and he is tremendously loyal.

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Speaker 7: And just like, what is it you need from me?

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Speaker 7: I'm I'm I'm ready to go. It's it's I think.

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Speaker 8: I think he seems a little he can seem a

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Speaker 8: little clumsy sometimes, but I actually think he's pretty less.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you think in that moment he was ready to.

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Speaker 6: Take down to time.

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Speaker 7: I really do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I think that that's not I don't think Kraglin is true.

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Speaker 8: Kraglin's fear is disappointing people. It's not it's not as

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Speaker 8: thing that's just gonna happen, Like you may be a

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Speaker 8: battle and die, that's how sold that's how soldiers go out.

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Speaker 7: But his fear is disappointing people. And so I think

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Speaker 7: he was pretty ready to go.

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Speaker 1: Finally, and thank you for your time. Sean. It's in

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Speaker 1: your mind. When Kraglin does pass, many many, many many

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Speaker 1: years from now, the horns of freedom, the colors of

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01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:42,440
Speaker 1: our Gord, will they flash above his grave.

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Speaker 7: From your mouth to God's ear. I would like to

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Speaker 7: think so. I mean, you know, if not, what are

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Speaker 7: we doing this for?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 1: What was it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Sean, thanks so much for a Thank you so much.

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Speaker 8: Thank you.

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Speaker 7: Appreciate it.

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