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Speaker 1: Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where we live at

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Speaker 1: the intersection of sports, politics, and culture. Our purpose reveal

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Speaker 1: the common threads that bind them all.

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Speaker 2: So what's happening in women's basketball right now is what

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Speaker 2: we've been trying.

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Speaker 3: To get to for almost thirty years.

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Speaker 1: From the stadiums where athletes break barriers and set records,

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Speaker 1: Cayman Quark broke the all time single game assists record.

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Speaker 4: This is crazy for rookies to be doing.

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Speaker 5: To the polls where history is written, and now we

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Speaker 5: have Kamala Harrison, it feels more like women are sort

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Speaker 5: of taking what they've always deserved, as opposed to waiting

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Speaker 5: on somebody to give them what they've deserved.

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Speaker 1: Our discussions will uncover the vital connections between these realms

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Speaker 1: and the community we create. In each episode, we'll sit

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Speaker 1: down with athletes, political analysts, and culture critics because at

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Speaker 1: the core of it all, how we see one issue

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Speaker 1: shines the light on all others. Welcome to Naked Sports.

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Speaker 1: I'm your home Scary Champion. Hey everybody, Welcome to Naked Sports.

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Speaker 1: It is the holiday edition of Naked Sports. Actually, because

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Speaker 1: we are doing a recap. I have my awesome team here,

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Speaker 1: I think it's important for you to see the people

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Speaker 1: who help make the magic happen. SAMs, Dwayne, we miss you.

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Speaker 1: Pete Crawford, he's he has been shouted out of us.

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Speaker 1: We give him shots out on the podcast a lot.

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Speaker 1: We give him many shots shout.

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Speaker 6: Out Dwayne, lots of love. But what about Olibasio? Hi,

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Speaker 6: how are you? I'm wonderful she has her own story,

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Speaker 6: so I'll take a minute to tell you all about it.

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Speaker 6: Olibasayo was a part of my and still is in

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Speaker 6: theory my foundation, Brown Girls Dream. She was a mentee

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Speaker 6: and I loved her spirit, and she was always very

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Speaker 6: curious and always very hungry. While our relationship, I wasn't

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Speaker 6: her a personal mentor?

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Speaker 1: Who was your mentor? Kim?

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Speaker 7: Really?

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Speaker 1: Oh Kim who I just talked to you the other day,

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Speaker 1: Kimberly Wilson shout out to Kim was her mentor? But

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Speaker 1: I I love to have a relationship with all the

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Speaker 1: girls if in fact I can. It doesn't always happen

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Speaker 1: that way, but Olu is very insistent, and I think

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Speaker 1: I love that about her. My personality loves that. And

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Speaker 1: you were always very much like I have questions. Tell

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Speaker 1: me about your podcasts, what are you doing? And because

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Speaker 1: she was so curious, I hired her as a researcher

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Speaker 1: and then this season season four, I said, do you

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Speaker 1: want to come on to just be an AP and

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Speaker 1: do all the things, because that's how you really learn

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Speaker 1: and do all the things. Now, as I say this

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Speaker 1: to everyone, please understand, I don't do this for everybody,

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Speaker 1: so I don't have any more. I'm very my resources

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Speaker 1: are limited, and I don't always do this, but but

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Speaker 1: it was great to do it with Olu and you

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Speaker 1: have helped me tremendously. Meanwhile, we have Chuckuees. I do

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Speaker 1: that because I like her name and her voice. Chuckuees,

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Speaker 1: how are you now?

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Speaker 2: I feel like I have to talk like a different way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just your normal, normal podcasts. She's a Gymni

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Speaker 1: like I'm a Gemini, and I call her a different Gemini.

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Speaker 1: We're not all the same folks. So when you're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Gemini's act the way, I'm like, no, we're not. She's

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Speaker 1: a totally different Gemni than I. You have a very

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Speaker 1: different energy. I'm very like, you're like, what cool. I'm

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Speaker 1: very much like, let's get in trouble. You're like I

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Speaker 1: don't feel like getting in trouble. So I love that

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Speaker 1: about you because it reminds me that there's the two sides,

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Speaker 1: but usually one is more displayed than the other. So

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Speaker 1: that is my way of talking about people and the Zodia.

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Speaker 1: It's balance, right, It depends on who you feel like being. Meanwhile, Dracuice,

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Speaker 1: while working on podcasts Naked Now Naked Sports for four seasons,

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Speaker 1: has launched her own podcast, Congratulations, Thank You? What is

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Speaker 1: it called? Tell me about It?

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Speaker 4: It is called black Lit?

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Speaker 1: What is it?

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Speaker 2: Black Lit is a podcast about black literature and finding

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Speaker 2: out the story behind the stories of the writers and

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Speaker 2: luminaries of our culture.

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Speaker 1: Such as well.

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Speaker 2: The first one we focused on was Octavia Butler and

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Speaker 2: now we are doing Lenston Hughes.

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Speaker 1: He's my favorite, Like Langston Hughes is truly my favorite.

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Speaker 1: So in black Lit, what do you do? You dedicate

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Speaker 1: how many episodes to each each author? And what are

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a little bit of both. I

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Speaker 2: person who wrote it and the life that they lived.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to both of us. So you guys, if

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Speaker 1: you haven't seen us and you're in, you're listening. We

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Speaker 1: both have on beanies. We're just out here in this

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Speaker 1: New York. Yeah. Yeah left me, We left you out.

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Speaker 1: Now you have your head bear that's thirty degree temperature.

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Speaker 4: That has a serious hoodie hidio When I put that on.

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Speaker 4: It's not a joke.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you're yeah, you're safe. This weather is something.

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Speaker 1: Because I was like, I don't know what this is

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Speaker 1: I get to this train and I'm ashy. And today

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Speaker 1: about my bougie ways because y'all take the train all

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Speaker 1: And then it made me think about I was on

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Speaker 1: CNN on Tuesday. It made me think about something I said,

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Speaker 1: and people were really upset with me, well, the brothers,

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Speaker 1: and I didn't have the clip that explained my full thought,

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Speaker 1: saying that at all. What I was saying was New

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Speaker 1: I don't go on thing somebody's gonna kill you, Like

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Speaker 1: And if anyone knows the story about Neely, he had

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Speaker 1: that somebody's selling you sandwiches. It's an experience. So if

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Speaker 1: And it's a way of life for people, and you

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Speaker 1: this is so uncomfortable, Like, why would he do He's

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Speaker 1: why didn't anybody intervene? And it's the same reason why

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Speaker 1: There's like, long as he's not bothering me, as long

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Speaker 1: And every time he got arrested, you put him back

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Speaker 1: How you doing to work at the exit? I need

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Speaker 1: when you get off the train. I'd never one time,

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Speaker 1: situation is hard to talk about because there will be

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Speaker 1: a group of people who feel like the vigilanti justice

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Speaker 1: people be like, why you take out this black man?

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Speaker 1: And I didn't live in either group. Yeah, I understood,

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Speaker 1: and I saw and I was sad. There's no reason

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Speaker 4: I agree. I feel like it's similar to the whole

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Speaker 1: Mangeona, but another vigilanti.

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Speaker 4: Yes, the same thing.

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Speaker 7: And it's sad to see either way because I mean,

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Speaker 7: people are dying on both ends with the in terms

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Speaker 1: But there's a group of people that accept what happened. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Typically, what it takes is for there to be a rivalry,

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Speaker 5: There's been these moments that you can just for off

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Speaker 5: This moment in women's basketball is shape shifting. I think

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Speaker 1: I don't know that much of us really know anything

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Speaker 9: All you need to know is she's jacking up shots

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Speaker 9: I think the way we talk about Caitlin Clark can

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Speaker 9: And then there's ways that we talk about Caitlin Clark

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Speaker 1: Well, I would love to tell you tomorrow, but that

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Speaker 1: is not it. I think the reason why, if you're listening,

436
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Speaker 1: the reason why I wanted Jock Quesson Hulu as I

437
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Speaker 1: call her, but she's very adamant about giving me my

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Speaker 1: full government name, Ulubasio, and you better learn how to

439
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Speaker 1: pronounce it. And you're welcome. You deserve that. I think

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Speaker 1: that I wanted to hear from you because I'm a

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Speaker 1: bit jaded. I'm a bit jaded. I've been in the

442
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 1: media for a minute, and I am used to vile

443
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: tweets more importantly directed at me, and it breaks my heart.

444
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Speaker 1: But I've learned to put on this armor that has

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Speaker 1: made me feel like I don't care. And it's not

446
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Speaker 1: so much that I don't care, but you have to

447
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 1: develop a particular veneer, a particular coding that allows you

448
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 1: to continue to do what you do. So if I

449
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: was worried about all the negative tweets and all the

450
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Speaker 1: things that these people say from their basements and what

451
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Speaker 1: the bots do, I'd be in a very sad space.

452
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Speaker 1: My mind would be insane as it is, but not

453
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Speaker 1: as crazy as it would be. And to hear you

454
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Speaker 1: all talk about that, that's why I wanted to do

455
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Speaker 1: the series. I absolutely understand that people feel away about

456
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Speaker 1: Angel and people feel away about Caitlin. What I can't

457
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Speaker 1: understand is that we refuse to let Angel in particular

458
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Speaker 1: be a twenty two year old girl because she has

459
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Speaker 1: the confidence and the world hasn't shot her down yet

460
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Speaker 1: to make her feel like she shouldn't shine and say

461
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Speaker 1: what she wants to say and feel how she wants

462
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Speaker 1: to feel. She has the privilege of a white man

463
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Speaker 1: and people hate it, and I love it. Be on

464
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Speaker 1: your PJ, show me your Shane. Yes, do all the

465
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: things because you deserve it. Life will humble you, So

466
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Speaker 1: why should we mm hm. She has not back down either,

467
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 1: and I'm impressed. Hon It's twenty twenty four, and yet

468
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Speaker 1: I'm still struck by how difficult it is to have

469
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Speaker 1: honest conversations about race. The complicated and often overlooked history

470
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Speaker 1: of racism in this country, in my opinion, is a

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Speaker 1: big part of why Angel Reese has been cast in

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Speaker 1: the role of the villain while Caitlin Clark is embraced

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Speaker 1: as the darling. We live in a social media driven

474
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Speaker 1: world that thrives on division, where preconceived notions about these

475
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Speaker 1: young women are shaped by their skin color or how

476
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Speaker 1: they carry themselves. The narratives are often written before they

477
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Speaker 1: even step on the court. Recently, NBA Commissioner Kathy Engelbert

478
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Speaker 1: was asked to confront this racial divide head on, acknowledging

479
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Speaker 1: the unspoken tension surrounding these two superstars.

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Speaker 10: It is a little that bird magic moment if you

481
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Speaker 10: recall from nineteen seventy nine, when those two rookies came

482
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Speaker 10: in from a big college rivalry, one white, one black,

483
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Speaker 10: and so we have that moment with these two. But

484
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Speaker 10: the one thing I know about sports, you need rivalry.

485
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Speaker 3: That's what makes people watch.

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Speaker 10: They want to watch games of consequence between rivals. They

487
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Speaker 10: don't want everybody being nice to one another. So social

488
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Speaker 10: media is different today than it was in nineteen seventy

489
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Speaker 10: nine when it didn't exist. But you know, I always

490
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Speaker 10: tell the players, you know I was told a long

491
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Speaker 10: time ago. If someone's typing something in and you wouldn't

492
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Speaker 10: ask their advice, ignore it.

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Speaker 1: There's that word again. Ignore. Ignore a fan base that

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Speaker 1: criticizes and identifies you based on the color of your

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Speaker 1: skin or your sexual orientation. Ignore the social media mobs

496
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Speaker 1: who threaten you for just existing and doing your job. No, Kathy,

497
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Speaker 1: that's not the answer. Because I am writing this series

498
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Speaker 1: in real time, I have to be honest. I was

499
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Speaker 1: outraged when I heard Kathy Engelbert's response. It felt dismissive,

500
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Speaker 1: and I wasn't alone. Many of the players share the

501
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Speaker 1: same anger feeling their voices and experiences really didn't matter

502
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Speaker 1: to a commissioner who is charged with governing the WNBA

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Speaker 1: into a new era.

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Speaker 11: There's no doubt about it. The players were disappointed in

505
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Speaker 11: how Kathy Engelbert handled this moment, and what they really

506
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Speaker 11: wanted her to say was just flat out that this racism, homophobia,

507
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Speaker 11: misogyny that a lot of the players are experiencing is

508
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Speaker 11: not okay. And Alicia Clark was one of the players

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Speaker 11: I spoke with at ASA's practiced yesterday and she said that.

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Speaker 3: That's all they really wanted, but it's heard.

511
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Speaker 11: You just say it's not okay. And she acknowledged that

512
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Speaker 11: there is this darker turn that a lot of the

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Speaker 11: fans are maybe how they're interacting with the players, the

514
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Speaker 11: sorts of vitriol that they're directing towards players, and that

515
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Speaker 11: it's beyond just basketball, that it really is seeping into

516
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 11: that homophobic and that misogynistic language and so that's something

517
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Speaker 11: that they really felt like was a missed opportunity from

518
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Speaker 11: Kathy Engelbert to really address and say we don't support

519
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Speaker 11: this sort of behavior in our league.

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Speaker 1: A few days after this missed opportunity to address a

521
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Speaker 1: problem that the league has dealt with since its inception,

522
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Speaker 1: the commissioner apologized to players in a letter and reportedly

523
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Speaker 1: met with a few players as well, in part saying

524
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Speaker 1: my answer missed the mark, and I'm sorry. The commissioner's

525
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: response was painfully familiar to me. It's the same type

526
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Speaker 1: of response I've heard every single time I went to

527
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Speaker 1: an employer about the experiences and the racial undertones I

528
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Speaker 1: face as a black woman in this world. I don't

529
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Speaker 1: want to generalize, but I need to be clear. If

530
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Speaker 1: we do not start having these uncomfortable conversations, we'll never learn,

531
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Speaker 1: We'll never move past the divisive ideologies that continue to

532
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Speaker 1: pit white against black, keeping us trapped in the same

533
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Speaker 1: cycles of misunderstanding and separation, Which brings me back to

534
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Speaker 1: Angel We caught up with her a few weeks before

535
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Speaker 1: her season ending injury when she was in Los Angeles

536
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Speaker 1: playing against the Sparks. When asked how she's been able

537
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Speaker 1: to adjust to the highs and lows of fame. We've

538
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: all made mistakes, and we've all been down. We all

539
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: haven't had break days. But I lived by the quote

540
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Speaker 1: every day that's no sign.

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Speaker 12: But that's why I love tomorrow enough Vaglo Rellat and

542
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 12: I always love that because every day it is not

543
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 12: going to be a great day, but it's always tomorrow,

544
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 12: and I always look forward to tomorrow.

545
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Speaker 1: I look forward to how does so many fans come?

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Speaker 12: I hear y'all my name, and y'all my teammate's name,

547
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 12: and another opposuery to help pickgang grow.

548
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Speaker 1: Angel Reese is a different type of player in the

549
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: women's game. At twenty two years old. She's aware of

550
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: how she's perceived in the media. She's also painfully aware

551
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: of the role that's been assigned, yet she continues to

552
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: show up and bring her full self to work. I

553
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: do not know where she gets this confidence from. I

554
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: don't know if it's contrived or if it's really true,

555
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: but it feels authentic to me. Angel Rease is doing

556
00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: more than enough to help the game grow.

557
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Speaker 13: Somebody has to be the villain, right, I mean, be

558
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 13: honest with you. You know, we've kind of carried ourselves

559
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 13: throughout that way. Like, you know, we we play in

560
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 13: front of large crowds all the time in our program, right,

561
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 13: and Angel was a part of that. And I used

562
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Speaker 13: to always tell her like, everybody's not here to see you,

563
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 13: and they're here to see you loose, right, they're seeing

564
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 13: who can the thrown tape team takeoff? Who could thrown

565
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 13: dethrown Angel rees? So you're kind of taking the part

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Speaker 13: of the villain, which you kind of used to. Now

567
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Speaker 13: a lot of the stuff, you know, when you get

568
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 13: on social media, you got some you know, wacky people

569
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 13: out there that just exists. But it's just it's just funny, how.

570
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Speaker 7: You know?

571
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Speaker 13: Is it because of her approach? Is it because of

572
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Speaker 13: herr her tone and how she does things that she's

573
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Speaker 13: portrayed as the villain? Why why is she the villain

574
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Speaker 13: and not the hero?

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Speaker 1: Now with Caitlin Clark and if you all listen to

576
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Speaker 1: the series, it was very clear that this woman from

577
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Speaker 1: Iowa had no experience with racial discrimnation or integration for

578
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: that matter. It felt very much like, wait, what's happening.

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00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: There's a privilege that white people live with that they

580
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: don't have to run around and think about race. It's

581
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: just that simple. And she had a privilege, but I

582
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: refused to make her feel bad for that privilege. It's

583
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Speaker 1: not her fault. And I think the older that I

584
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: get and the more therapy that I am in, I

585
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: like to give everybody the benefit of the doubt. I

586
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: like to give everybody nuance. I really truly do. And

587
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: it breaks my heart when our people don't do that.

588
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: And by our people, I mean black folks. If I

589
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: posted something nice about Kaylen, like you a cello, woo

590
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: you do like I'm not like how she's twenty two. Yeah.

591
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: And then most recently, she did that article when she

592
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: knew she was gonna get a lot of heat, and

593
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: she said black women deserve to be praised and maybe

594
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Speaker 1: I can give them the love. Yeah, I do understand.

595
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: I play with privilege, and to me, I thought, amazing,

596
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: she gets it. And even if she don't get it,

597
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: she's saying it because that's how a lot of these

598
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: players feel, like why is she getting all the money?

599
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: It's not fair? But this is America. Welcome to America.

600
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: And I wonder what happens when Donald Trump is in office.

601
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Speaker 4: Do I want to wonder that.

602
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Speaker 1: You better you better. Will he Will he love her

603
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: if she continues to push back and say, I want

604
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: to give these black women praise? Will he start to

605
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: tweet on his special platforms about the WNBA in which

606
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: seventy percent of the people who play in the WNBA

607
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: are minorities and or LGBTQIA and or the list goes on,

608
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Speaker 1: all the things in which I believe he would have

609
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: something to say about. People love Caitlin because they thought

610
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: she represented their non wokeness. Yeah, and they'd come to

611
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: these games and I finally someone we can relate to,

612
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: we can root for it, and we can root for her.

613
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: She's because we're very much just a black culture. He's ours,

614
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: didn'tell is ours. Don't be trying to make yourself that's ours.

615
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 14: Yeah.

616
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Speaker 1: And by the way, we don't do that with black women.

617
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: We're hard on black women, and I'll get into that

618
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: in another space. But we own our people. We own

619
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: our people just the same way they own their people.

620
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: We all ultimately are. But what we don't do is bully.

621
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Speaker 1: We don't of course, we don't push because we don't

622
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: have that privilege. And we grew up and knowing we

623
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: didn't have that privilege. Yeah, and I'm really worried about

624
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: the WNBA in what ways. I just hope that he

625
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: doesn't try to blow it up, he being the president,

626
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: that he doesn't bring negative attention to a group of

627
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: women who have been ignored for most of their careers,

628
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: making barely seventy five thousand dollars a year and going

629
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: overseas to make money. And then finally there are all

630
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: these strides that have been made. And if they don't

631
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: look like or act like the way in which he

632
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: thinks they should act, that he turns a certain part

633
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: of America on these young ladies. That bothers me. That's

634
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: a worry for me.

635
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Speaker 7: I feel like, you know, if that happens, there's a

636
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 7: new space being created unrivaled people. I mean some people

637
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 7: have saying like, well, unrivaled become the new WNBA.

638
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: I don't know Brianna Stewart Stewie and and Afisa Collier,

639
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: who will have on the podcast, but who we just

640
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: featured at a discussion we had in our basel, so

641
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: they experienced Stewie more specifically when she was kissing her

642
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: wife and they won. She said the type of hatred

643
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: and death threats that I received were pretty sad, and

644
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: now they've always been receiving them. Now they're just talking

645
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, I don't know. I just I'm concerned,

646
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: just because I can. I think I can see the future.

647
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: My hope is that it won't happen. Me too, But

648
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Speaker 1: there is a hesitation in me that makes me feel

649
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: like America is going to America. Yeah, I'm reading today

650
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: as I come in day one, I'm partying. I'm going

651
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Speaker 1: to pardon everyone who parked anticipated in January sixth, and

652
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: mass deportations will take place.

653
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Speaker 7: I also think like some of the athletes are internationally,

654
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 7: they're not. It's just not their home country, Like, how

655
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 7: is that gonna Well.

656
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: The athletes are probably taken care of like those who.

657
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Speaker 4: Are they though, because I feel like a lot of work.

658
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: Visas, like you can't play in that you can't play

659
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: in the United States for this league and not be

660
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Speaker 1: on a work visa.

661
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Speaker 7: Yes, but I think there's like an ad to like

662
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 7: he's also talked about deportations for people, and you know,

663
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Speaker 7: it's all anything.

664
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Speaker 1: Everything can happen, Everything has happened, Everything can happen, everything, even.

665
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 7: For people who are naturalized, Like anything can happen.

666
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Speaker 4: He's kind of said it, so it's like, yeah, all

667
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 4: of that is fair game.

668
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Speaker 7: And I wonder, like the NBA, you know, there's way

669
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 7: there's a lot more money on there, but they also

670
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Speaker 7: have a lot of athletes from different countries. Even in

671
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Speaker 7: the NFL, Like, what's gonna happen on those sides?

672
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Speaker 1: Well, from what I recall, after the Colin Kaepernick of

673
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: it all, everybody was quiet and the players paid attention.

674
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: There are very few people who can push back against

675
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,479
Speaker 1: the system that feeds them. Not blame me anybody, I

676
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: just know what it is. And with that being said,

677
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: we talked about the election, and remember we had Elliott

678
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: Connie on the therapist. Yeah, and I was like, what

679
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: happens if he wins? Because there was a belief, a

680
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: true belief, and I think we needed to believe, especially

681
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: as Black women, we needed to believe that we were

682
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Speaker 1: finally being seen and celebrated. Black women don't feel seen

683
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: and or celebrated in any space. But I think the

684
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: reason why a lot of us finally were like we

685
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 1: can exhale for Kamala's because we were like, wait a second,

686
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: do all this money she's raising and all of these

687
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: people saying they're behind her. Do you mean you all

688
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: finally see our excellence and you think we deserved to

689
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: be in this room, at the table. We needed to believe.

690
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: We needed to believe because we know what it feels

691
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: like to be ignored. We know what it feels like

692
00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: to be at the end of the line. We know

693
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Speaker 1: what if like to be so excellent and not be celebrated.

694
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: I think this podcast is excellent. It needs to be

695
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: celebrating more. We deliver excellence weekend and week out. But

696
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: call her daddy and everyone loves that, no disrespect. Like,

697
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: if I want to get here and talk about sex,

698
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: I can do that too, but it wouldn't be perceived

699
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 1: as something fun. And she talks about other things outside

700
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Speaker 1: of sex.

701
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 15: But the.

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Speaker 1: Description of a black woman on a podcast talking about

703
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: sex probably wouldn't be mainstream. No, and mainstream is in

704
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Speaker 1: air quotes.

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00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, or there just be more repercussions, far more repercussions.

706
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 7: Jason Kelcey is what Travis Kelcey and Jason Kelcey super popular.

707
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: We love them, I love them both. Jason's wife, Kylie

708
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: has a podcast and she has dethroned Joe Rogan. Her

709
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: qualifications help me anyone see.

710
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Speaker 7: I can't comment on that, but you know, I have

711
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 7: to recognize that, like the world I live in is

712
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 7: not the same world that other people live in.

713
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Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying. So we have to always

714
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: look and say, wait, wait, what happened? I can go

715
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: find a dope housewife married to a dope athlete right now.

716
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: Savannah has a podcast, Savannah James married to Lebron James.

717
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: I can give you many I can give you equivalents. Yeah,

718
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: I can give you many equivalents, but aren't getting the

719
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: same celebratory response. And it is our existence which brings

720
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Speaker 1: me back to why I was really happy for Kamala.

721
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: What she did in one hundred and seven days was

722
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: unheard of. Yeah, but isn't that what we always do?

723
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

724
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Speaker 1: Isn't that always always? Do we get the shirt of

725
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: the stick? We make your work no matter what. Because

726
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: she made it work. It was flawless, and so it

727
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: was painful and we talked about it on the podcast,

728
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: and I was in a lot of and I know

729
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: a lot of my friends and colleagues are like, I'm

730
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: t happen out, I'm out, And I had that I

731
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: was hurt. I was hurt. I was hurt. Like I

732
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: ran for president, I was hurt back in a moment.

733
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Speaker 8: The light of America's promise will always burn bright, as

734
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:29,439
Speaker 8: long as we never give up and as long as

735
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Speaker 8: we keep fighting.

736
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Speaker 1: When Kamala received the Democratic nomination, I had the wonderful

737
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,479
Speaker 1: opportunity to be in Chicago at the DNC And while

738
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 1: other people felt different about the experience, I left feeling

739
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: inspired and hopeful and honestly thinking the vice president could

740
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Speaker 1: win this. And at that time I was able to

741
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: and no regrets, experience something that I don't know if

742
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: we'll ever see in our lifetime. I watched millions and

743
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 1: millions of people get behind this black and Asian woman,

744
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: but I identified with her in so many ways, as

745
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 1: do black women. She had one hundred and seven days

746
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: to put this campaign together, and I don't know if

747
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: anybody else could have handled it with so much grace

748
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: and elegance in the way in which she did. But

749
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: it's very familiar to us, because we always show up,

750
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: and we always work so hard, and we always put

751
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: other people before us. It is the way we are built.

752
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: It is in our DNA, It is the way that

753
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: we bond with people It is the way that we

754
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: just show up and experience ourselves. And I can't say

755
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: that everybody does that, but again, I'm speaking for the

756
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: majority of Black women that I know. And so when

757
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris received that Democratic nomination, and while we don't

758
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: need acceptance, there was a collective sigh of acceptance. Is

759
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: this possible? Can it happen? Is this true? And I

760
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: allowed myself to believe, and I'm glad that I did.

761
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: In fact, I convinced my friends to believe. Black women

762
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: have a hard time believing in a system that has

763
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: ignored them for so long and continues to do so

764
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: till this day. But we believed in Kamala. As you

765
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: can see, ninety two percent of you showed up and

766
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: voted for her, ninety two percent. And for us, it

767
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: really wasn't a choice. It was right and wrong, literally

768
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: black versus white. It was so clear to us who

769
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: needed to win, who needed to be the president of

770
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Speaker 1: the United States of America. Kamala's campaign felt very familiar

771
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: to many of us. It felt like the work that

772
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: we do every single day. We go to our jobs.

773
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: You go to your jobs, you do your job, you

774
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: own your business, you give every single thing you do

775
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: more than anyone around you, because that is the work

776
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: ethic that has been instilled in us. That is the

777
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: only work ethic that seems to be acceptable in corporate

778
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: America in many circumstances, just to be accepted. And she

779
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: ran a flawless campaign, and yes there were things she

780
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: could have done differently, but for one hundred and seven days,

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00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: it was spectacular. And I want to continue to remind

782
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: people she had one hundred and seven days to galvanize

783
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Speaker 1: an entire nation and she did that. We do that,

784
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 1: only we can do that. There is no other being

785
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: on the planet that can move in spaces all the

786
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: while handling every single thing as if it is not

787
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: an issue. Meaning, I know what you're saying about me,

788
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: I know how you feel about me. I know there

789
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: is sabotage happening, but I'm still showing up and I'm

790
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: still going to be excellent no matter what, because that's

791
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: what I do. It is in my DNA. I know

792
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: nothing else. And I just want to say I am

793
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: so very proud of all of you black women who

794
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: show up in whatever space that is, whether it be

795
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 1: at home, at work with your friends, or your family.

796
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: You show up and you give all, and you care,

797
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: and you love and you love. There is always this

798
00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: thought that we are angry, but we just love. And

799
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: so for me, on election night, when I realized that

800
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: Kamala had no choice but to concede, and I was hoping,

801
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: just like many of you were hoping, I was hoping

802
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: that what I was watching on television, what I was

803
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: seeing on the screen, was not real, that it wasn't real.

804
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Speaker 15: I know many people feel like we are entering a

805
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 15: dark time, but for the benefit of us all, I

806
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 15: hope that is not the case. But here's the thing, America.

807
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 15: If it is, let us fill the sky with the

808
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 15: light of a brilliant, brilliant billion of stars.

809
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Speaker 1: But it was, and I want you to know, it's

810
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 1: not a referendum on black women. I refuse to believe

811
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: that our excellence has been pushed aside. I refuse to

812
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: believe that the hard work that we put in not

813
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: only to be where we are in life individually and professionally,

814
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: will be ignored forever. Kamala did something that many of

815
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: you do every single day. You show up and you believe,

816
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: and you act as if nothing is wrong, although you

817
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: know there are forces fighting against you, at work, at home,

818
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: in school, you name it. There are forces always fighting

819
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: against you. And sometimes you know it's just because you're

820
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: a black woman. Yet and still you show up every

821
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: single day. So an election night watching her lose, for

822
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Speaker 1: many of us was painful. It was personal, and it

823
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 1: felt as if it was the end of the world.

824
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Speaker 1: And I'm not exaggerating because in my mind, the alternative

825
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: was an alternative that would reject me and my kind.

826
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: The alternative didn't like black folks. The alternative wasn't a

827
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: party that wanted to speak for me me. I got

828
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: over it. I'm over it now and I'm ready to

829
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: roll my sleeves back up and and fight the good fight.

830
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: How do you feel when now? Are you then and now?

831
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: How do you feel?

832
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Speaker 7: I don't think there's a then and now for me.

833
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 7: I think it's still a then. If I'm being honest,

834
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 7: I meant, well, it's still now. Excuse me, because ultimately,

835
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 7: like Kamala losing wasn't like you said.

836
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Speaker 4: It wasn't just her loss.

837
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Speaker 7: It felt very personal to whatever I may have experienced

838
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 7: in corporate America, just just being black. I didn't know

839
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 7: how to react because also I thought about the fact

840
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 7: that this is going to make it harder for her

841
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 7: to run again if she wanted to. Right so, it

842
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 7: wasn't just a loss today, it was a lost four

843
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 7: years from now. If she wants to pursue that, it

844
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 7: was a loss for whatever she wants to do in

845
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 7: her professional career, she's going to have.

846
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 4: To speak to that. This is super unrelated.

847
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 7: But I watched the Martha Stewart documentary and a couple

848
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 7: days ago.

849
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 4: No, it is exactly.

850
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 7: It is related because they took so much away from her,

851
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 7: off of the littlest thing that today you would be like,

852
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 7: no way, how can you send someone to court for that?

853
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 7: Why is this even a trial? Why is this taking

854
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 7: up three years of her life? Why is she going

855
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 7: to jail for five months for quote unquote lying?

856
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 4: That makes no sense.

857
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 7: But I think a lot of times people want to

858
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 7: humble woman whenever they're successful. People want to put women

859
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 7: in disadvantages situations to their livelihood, to their futures, to

860
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 7: their careers. And it makes me uncomfortable because I'm young

861
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 7: and I'm thinking, is this what is ahead of me?

862
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 7: I want to do great things of life in life.

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00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: I think it should make you more comfortable. Why because

864
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: you now know how the opposition works. I want the star, yes.

865
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 7: But like the also the pain of experiencing all of

866
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 7: those things, I don't I don't even I can't even

867
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 7: imagine how that feels and how you have to then

868
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 7: show up the next day like Kamala did with a smile,

869
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 7: and she was hurt, but like she couldn't actually be

870
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 7: as hurt as she wanted to be, as black women

871
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 7: exactly was. It was a brave face to still have

872
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 7: to put on a brave face. That's life, that's life.

873
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 7: But that's hard. Life is hard, Yes it is, Yes

874
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 7: it is. And now you're dealing That's what I'm saying,

875
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 7: that's what you're dealing with. Yeah, Like the veil has

876
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 7: been lifted and you're like, oh, welcome to America.

877
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 4: Well, welcome to America.

878
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 7: Welcome to my being an adult, Welcome to being a woman,

879
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 7: a black woman, a black woman, Welcome to being a minority,

880
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 7: a forever minority in this country.

881
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: Forever minority in that country.

882
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 7: That hurts because everyone has aspirations. And that's why I

883
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 7: commend Angel because she's aware of all of this and

884
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 7: she's still I.

885
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: Don't I don't know if she is aware of you

886
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: think she is.

887
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 4: I have to give her credit. The way people I

888
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 4: think that's.

889
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: Just I think that they have disparaged her. But if

890
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: she keeps making money and she keeps getting you know,

891
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: these adversements, and people are still supporting her, so be it.

892
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: And I don't want and I don't and I don't

893
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: want that to change. When you when you have money

894
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: in your pocket, it's a different experience. It's a different experience.

895
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 4: But she still has audacity, and I hope, I hope

896
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 4: she gets it.

897
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: But I would I would be hard pressed to believe

898
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: that she hasn't been shattered or shuttered. Kay I would.

899
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: I just it's just impossible because it's you. It's the

900
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: psychology of who we are, which is why without me

901
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 1: doing a PSA for therapy, why I want everyone to

902
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: get therapy. What happened to Kamala happens to women. I

903
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: know every single day. Women I've watched and encouraged, and

904
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 1: they still go back and they try again, and they

905
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: still does themselves souf and they pick themselves up, and

906
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: then they try again, and they try again. And while

907
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 1: they might have some some some form of success and whatever,

908
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: the next venture is they know that ultimately that something

909
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: is going to happen and they might have to move on,

910
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: and so what they have decided to do is make

911
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 1: sure that they believe in themselves and not the system.

912
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 12: I recognize the hurt and the betrayal and feeling like,

913
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 12: don't y'all come ask me for anything, But I'm not

914
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 12: doing it for them. I'm doing it for the legacy,

915
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 12: you know, for the one who's coming, cause I'm doing

916
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 12: it for her, not doing it for any white man

917
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 12: or for society. You know, I'm doing it for the

918
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 12: next one. And so that's why I get up and persist.

919
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 12: That's why I don't sit down and feel defeated by

920
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 12: it all, because how could I.

921
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: You're the women that came before us. This is this

922
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: is light work. This is light work. This is light work.

923
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 12: I was reminded my daughter, because you know, she your niece,

924
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 12: because she was so upset, you know, upset to the

925
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 12: point of tears right about this, and I had to

926
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 12: remind her. And I know it's like, you know, sometimes

927
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 12: it feels like a nag to say it, but I

928
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,479
Speaker 12: just had to remind her, you know, I was like, hey, look,

929
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 12: your generation will do things that ours can't, and you will, like, Look,

930
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 12: the fifteen year old that my mother was didn't have

931
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 12: what you have, couldn't do the things that you do,

932
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 12: didn't have the opportunities that you have. And the fifteen

933
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 12: year old that maybe one day you're nurturing will have

934
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 12: more opportunities than I do.

935
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 3: But that only happens if I keep moving forward.

936
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 12: That only happens if I do that, because I promise

937
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 12: doesn't come to fruition if I sit down and just

938
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 12: wait for her.

939
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: To do it. And so that's why it feels so urgent.

940
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 10: For me.

941
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 12: To still go, even in the hurt, even in the pain,

942
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 12: and I know, I know we don't want to do

943
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 12: it because we're just like, well why I'm all and

944
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 12: they did.

945
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it for them.

946
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 3: I'm not doing it for them. I'm not good enough

947
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 3: for them.

948
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: I'm not working for them for that because the system

949
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: has told you already what the system has told you.

950
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: And if you have that, if you reconcile that belief,

951
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: it makes you stronger and better. How do you feel?

952
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 14: You know?

953
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 2: We had fun weaver on recently and she is remarkable

954
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 2: for one, and she said not verbatim, but she basically said, like,

955
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: you know, challenges occur and she is not even worried

956
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 2: about them because they are a part of life, you know.

957
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 2: And if you look at life and say, oh, this

958
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 2: is going to be a cakewalk, then you will be offset.

959
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 2: But if you realize, like, this is life, this is

960
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 2: the country, this is period life, the life that you

961
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 2: are living as a black woman, as a person, as

962
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 2: a human being, there is going to be challenged.

963
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 3: Stop getting stuck on the challenges.

964
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 14: Stop focusing on the challenges the way that I describe it.

965
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 3: Because people love to ask me the same question, what

966
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 3: has been your biggest challenge? And I always respond to them.

967
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 14: That's like asking Sydney with Laughlin, which hurdle is the

968
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 14: most challenging hurdle?

969
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 3: What the hell? You're a hurdler, So every hurdle is.

970
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 14: My job is to keep the pace, to know the

971
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 14: rhythm in between those hurdles.

972
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 4: That is my job.

973
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 14: So as an entrepreneur, you can't get stuck on the challenges.

974
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 3: Those are simply hurdles. They're supposed to be.

975
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 14: There if you want to be if you want to

976
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 14: be a Shakatte Carrie Richardson or a Noah Alliles or

977
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 14: any of those folks don't.

978
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 3: Be an entrepreneur.

979
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: Yeap, your track will not be clear. It won't, but

980
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: that's in life. You know. I needed this in my spirit.

981
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 1: Thank you for that. Don't get stuck on the challenge.

982
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: Don't don't look at the show. Let's get to the

983
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: middle of it. Let's get to the solution. Let's figure

984
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,959
Speaker 1: it out quick. It changes your whole philosophy. Not fine.

985
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. I don't know about anybody else, but

986
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: this is for me. This word was for me. You

987
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: always have a word, but this was for me. And

988
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: we so need to hear that. We need to hear

989
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: that we need not when people were You know, we

990
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,959
Speaker 1: have different people in our lives and it's a mindset

991
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 1: that some people can adopt. But once you show them

992
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: it can be done.

993
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 3: It can be done. I tell people all the time.

994
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 14: I deal with challenges every day that have taken entrepreneurs

995
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 14: out if they had to deal with it one time

996
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 14: and a five year window, and I deal with them

997
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 14: every day. And for me, when I look at something

998
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 14: and there's a challenge that comes at me, I don't

999
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 14: have time to.

1000
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 3: Sit there and focus on that challenge.

1001
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 14: I've got to find the solution as quickly as possible.

1002
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 14: And if I feel stalemate in that solution, guess what,

1003
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 14: I'm working on something else that I already know the

1004
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 14: solution for. Because when that happens, it's a little bit

1005
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 14: like if you're looking for if you're looking for keys,

1006
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,720
Speaker 14: you can't find the keys, you can't find the keys,

1007
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 14: you finally stop looking for the keys, and all of

1008
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 14: a sudden keys are right in front of you. That's

1009
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 14: the same way it is with challenges. If you keep

1010
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 14: looking at the challenges, you missed the solution.

1011
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: If you haven't listened to that episode, please go and

1012
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 2: listen to it, because that really resonated with me because

1013
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, every time, there's always going

1014
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 2: to be something, whether it be small, whether it be family,

1015
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 2: whether it be financial, whether.

1016
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 4: It be whatever it is.

1017
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 2: But you have to be able to say that's not

1018
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 2: stronger than me. And if you can say that, then

1019
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 2: you can keep moving forward.

1020
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:02,760
Speaker 1: Drop that gym, Jim and I boon. We vote created

1021
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: Uncle Nearest, which is the black owned whiskey. It is

1022
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: val valued at a billion dollars. She had in short,

1023
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: had this vision, was curious about Uncle Nerros. Turns out

1024
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 1: that Uncle Nears was pretty much.

1025
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 4: Like the first Black Master Distillery.

1026
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: First Black Master Distiller, and he was No No and

1027
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: he was the mentor of this one whiskey that many

1028
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: of you guys know called Jack Daniels. And she wanted

1029
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: to know about the man who helped to me in

1030
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,959
Speaker 1: many in many forms, create Jack Daniels. And we always

1031
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 1: drink some Jack Daniels, and she gave us Uncle Neros.

1032
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 1: She is the people's CEO. Her mentality is so different,

1033
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: which is why I see why she has a billion

1034
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: dollar valuation. And I encourage anybody listening to this podcast

1035
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: as we do our year in recap, because we are

1036
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: going to play bits and pieces from each one of

1037
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: the podcasts that we just discussed. I would encourage you

1038
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: to investigate who she is. Listen to the entirety of

1039
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: the podcast, not just the sample that we're going to

1040
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: give you today. Her thought process is one that I

1041
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: think culturally we need to adopt. If we only see

1042
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: the negative and what and what they say to us

1043
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: and what we can't be, will never get ahead. But

1044
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: the work that we do behind the scenes to be

1045
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 1: more and give more and create more, we can do

1046
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: so much more work. We can really change the narrative.

1047
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,479
Speaker 1: People listen to you, and you have money no matter

1048
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: what your skin color looks like. If I walk into

1049
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: a room and I'm worth a billion dollars, you're paying

1050
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: attention to what I got to say. There are those

1051
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: who might ignore me and try to push me out.

1052
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 1: That's fine, but there are those who refuse, who will

1053
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: refuse to ignore me, and so as opposed to wanting

1054
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: the fame, I think the power is more important. I

1055
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: think that's what we should be looking at into the

1056
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: new year. Not saying that you all want to acquire power,

1057
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: but whatever modicum of power you can acquire in your

1058
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: own individual right and your world world, the leverage you

1059
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 1: acquire will allow you to do more work. Commonly did

1060
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: a lot of great work, Yeah she did.

1061
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 7: I also think, like you know, if you sometimes you

1062
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 7: can have the power, sometimes you can have the money,

1063
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 7: sometimes you can have the fame, but ultimately everyone is

1064
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 7: really trying. Like everyone has embraced adversity in some way.

1065
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 7: If you continued to get up, go to work in

1066
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 7: a situation you do want to be in, if you

1067
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 7: continue to show up with your family, like, there is

1068
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 7: a lot of grace for everyone, and what they've been

1069
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 7: able to accomplish in life and how far they've come.

1070
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,240
Speaker 7: But I know, like ultimately now, I do know everyone

1071
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 7: is at least trying. Everyone is at least trying, and I.

1072
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 1: Hope not that, but I hope they are.

1073
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 4: The thing is, if you wake up and you'll like.

1074
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, well trying, but you'll better try. Well,

1075
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: I'm not scio is necessary because we are trying, We

1076
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: are trying.

1077
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 7: We can count on that. And if we are trying,

1078
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 7: we know somebody else who's trying. And then I think,

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Speaker 7: still trying despite knowing how much how things you have,

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Speaker 7: And so it inspires me and reminds me, like, you

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Speaker 7: know what, actually, as much as this is new and

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Speaker 7: would And at the end of the day, at the

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Speaker 7: end of the day, I believe that.

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Speaker 1: My power, it's not my power. I believe that, and

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Speaker 1: I believe this strongly, that God has a higher calling

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Speaker 1: for all of us. And so whomever your God may be,

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Speaker 1: I believe in that and that gives me peace. But

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Speaker 1: I know my God is like, keep doing what you're doing. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: blessed you. I've given you this talent for a reason.

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Speaker 1: You are speaking to people for a reason. The work

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Speaker 1: is not necessarily being acknowledged. But I am acknowledging it.

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Speaker 1: And that's where I find my piece, the same thing

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Speaker 1: that found said. You know, she was essentially saying that

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Speaker 1: She's like, look, you may not agree with me, but

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Speaker 1: this is where I find my peace. With that being said,

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Speaker 1: please enjoy. First of all, give it up to my

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Speaker 1: to say, staff, my colleagues, if you will, Olabo ap

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Speaker 1: on Naked Sports, Jack Quiz, Jacquise, Chuckuise that needs to

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Speaker 1: be voice of Naked Sports, Dwayne creative sound and producer

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Speaker 1: and all the things, and Ar Santana who helped us

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Speaker 1: with the first six episodes. All right, shout out to

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Speaker 1: my bo there.

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Speaker 4: Well, shout out to you a little hear of it all.

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Speaker 1: Yes me, little mama, I'm out here doing my thing.

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Speaker 1: I thank you all for listening. Hope you all enjoy

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Speaker 1: this edition of Naked Naked Sports written and executive produced

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Speaker 1: by me Harry Champion, produced by Jacquees Thomas, sound design

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Speaker 1: and mastered by Dwayne Crawford. Associate producer Olaio Shabby. Naked

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Speaker 1: Sports is a part of the Black Effect podcast network

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Speaker 1: in iHeartMedia