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Speaker 7: We started the day today doing a little bit of remembering.
Speaker 7: Today is nine to eleven, and uh it was. It's
Speaker 7: obviously a day to remember for our country, the twenty
Speaker 7: third anniversary of the tragedies that happened there in New
Speaker 7: York and in DC. Let's let's I want to go
Speaker 7: around and tell you and just kind of get a
Speaker 7: perspective of where were you on that day? I was
Speaker 7: at Valley Ranch working and I remember I as it
Speaker 7: started to unfold, I was actually walking back to the back.
Speaker 7: There was an area in the back of Valley Ranch
Speaker 7: security area. There's our old security guard, Jake. Everybody knew Jake, right,
Speaker 7: Jake was He was an older guy, but really really
Speaker 7: nice guy. And so I get back to the back
Speaker 7: and he's like, hey, you're seeing what's going on? And
Speaker 7: so I start watching this with him. And at that
Speaker 7: point we had no idea what it was. We just
Speaker 7: knew that they'd been in, you know, playing it blown
Speaker 7: folding into building, and then it all started to happen,
Speaker 7: and then we started getting the reports and it was
Speaker 7: just amazement.
Speaker 3: It was fear.
Speaker 7: It was something that people in America, at least people
Speaker 7: in my age, had never really lived through, and so
Speaker 7: it was it was a very very unsettling time. And
Speaker 7: then you start trying to call family, and I'm trying
Speaker 7: to call my wife and she's in downtown Dallas, and
Speaker 7: so downtown metropolitan areas were all starting to get worried,
Speaker 7: like are their planes heading toward our buildings? And so
Speaker 7: you're having those kinds of conversations. So it was a
Speaker 7: pretty weird tough day. And obviously we weren't in New York,
Speaker 7: so didn't experience some of the things that those folks
Speaker 7: experienced obviously.
Speaker 3: But but I'll go around the table.
Speaker 7: I remember, what was your day like that?
Speaker 3: That day?
Speaker 8: Where were you?
Speaker 9: I was still living in Dominican Republic. I remember we
Speaker 9: got out of school around one over there, so I
Speaker 9: got home. I can't I haven't done the math to
Speaker 9: remember exactly how old I was, but I must have
Speaker 9: been around nine or ten something like that, And I
Speaker 9: remember getting home and turning on the TV and it
Speaker 9: was just showing on TV. You saw the towers and
Speaker 9: twin towers. And then at that age, I don't think
Speaker 9: I ever truly processed what was actually happening. But all
Speaker 9: you knew, even at that age, this is bad. Like
Speaker 9: you just had that feeling of like this is terribles,
Speaker 9: this is really really bad. But again you don't understand
Speaker 9: the magnitude of it and what it means. At the time,
Speaker 9: I did have a sister, she was a half sister.
Speaker 9: I still have a half sister. I still have her,
Speaker 9: but she was living in in New York and luckily
Speaker 9: fortunately she was not near all of that. But I
Speaker 9: remember in making the connection. But all that to say
Speaker 9: is like, it wasn't just in the US type of news.
Speaker 3: This is news.
Speaker 9: This is something that hit worldwide, and you did see
Speaker 9: from everywhere in the world when this was happening what
Speaker 9: it was happening, and just feeling that feeling of just
Speaker 9: being really really scared, even though I was on an
Speaker 9: island completely separate from New York, but it was just
Speaker 9: it's terrible and now understanding as you got older what
Speaker 9: actually happened and what it meant, it's it's horrifying.
Speaker 3: Nick.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I had a unique perspective I think from my
Speaker 10: generation because I was I was alive, but I was
Speaker 10: not really conscious whenever this happened. I was barely one
Speaker 10: year old, but I was actually just talking about it
Speaker 10: with my mom that's too long ago, about like where
Speaker 10: I was, how the day unfolded, and it was my
Speaker 10: dad that was the one.
Speaker 2: I was like, Ah, it's not that big of a deal.
Speaker 10: And then the second the second plane hit and it
Speaker 10: was like, Okay, it might be that big of a deal.
Speaker 10: And so growing up in the time following nine to eleven,
Speaker 10: I think my generation again has that unique perspective of
Speaker 10: that is our reality. That was always our reality. And
Speaker 10: I think whenever I talked to older generations and try
Speaker 10: to understand, you know, the impact of what that moment
Speaker 10: meant at that in their lives. You know, there was
Speaker 10: a completely different life before that. From my understanding and
Speaker 10: then growing up with this current understanding of my current life,
Speaker 10: you know, I look at events such as the Boston
Speaker 10: Marathon or you know, things of that nature, but understanding
Speaker 10: that nine to eleven is a big reason why we
Speaker 10: have the national security that we do today. It's a
Speaker 10: big reason why, you know, a lot of things were
Speaker 10: happening in my world growing up as a child, but
Speaker 10: it's always fascinating me from the perspective of the impact
Speaker 10: that it had on not only society in the United States,
Speaker 10: but society around the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had a different perspective. Were I like you, Derek.
Speaker 3: I was at Valley Ranch. I was working in the
Speaker 3: pro skuying department for the Cowboys, and my office was
Speaker 3: right on the outside of Larry Layswell, who was the
Speaker 3: boss of the personnel staff of us at that time,
Speaker 3: and Lace popped in and said he walked in and
Speaker 3: he said, Hey, did you hear a plane hit the world?
Speaker 3: Trade Center and I said, uh no, he and I go,
Speaker 3: and so we're kind of talking about again. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: I was thinking it was like a private plane.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was thinking to maybe propeller plane, you know, maybe
Speaker 3: a jet something got off course and hit the World
Speaker 3: Trade Center. And here we are. He's like, no, an
Speaker 3: airliner and I'm like what. And so we go back
Speaker 3: to the draft room and we turn it on where
Speaker 3: our screens were. We turned that thing on, and then
Speaker 3: the second plane hit and now we're all looking at
Speaker 3: each other like, oh my gosh, yeah what And then
Speaker 3: when that plane hit the Pentagon, we were all Then
Speaker 3: Chris Hall, I remember who's you know, college scouting coordinator, goes,
Speaker 3: we're under attack. This is now where our country is
Speaker 3: now under attack. And there was that moment where you
Speaker 3: just you're trying to just take it all in. And
Speaker 3: we immediately jumped on the phone. And this is two
Speaker 3: thousand and once. You really don't have great communication. We're
Speaker 3: trying to find our scouts. You know, these these airliners
Speaker 3: are now hitting buildings and going down and hitting Pentagon
Speaker 3: and going down and field. You know, all this stuff
Speaker 3: is happening. Matter of fact, the you know, the Los
Speaker 3: Angeles Kings lost two scouts, yeah, in the Pennsylvania crash
Speaker 3: or the hijacking, and we just immediately went into mode
Speaker 3: of trying to locate where our guys were.
Speaker 7: We're trying, by the way, for those of those scouts
Speaker 7: are flying all around because they got gains.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying that the Los Angeles King
Speaker 3: scouts were in Boston looking, you know, and they were
Speaker 3: flying back to the back to the coast to you know,
Speaker 3: they were done. They were on their scouting trip and
Speaker 3: uh Ace Bali and Mark Beavis there, you know, lost
Speaker 3: their lives in Pennsylvania on that flight and leaving out
Speaker 3: of Boston, and so yeah, it was it was terrifying
Speaker 3: because you didn't know. I mean, the news was just
Speaker 3: so it was so just jumbled, and you didn't you know,
Speaker 3: and you're just kind of like, my gosh, what's happening.
Speaker 3: And so we went into we went into okay, let's
Speaker 3: try and identify where our guys are. Let's make sure everybody.
Speaker 3: And once we found everybody, you know, but then as scouts,
Speaker 3: they're all over the country. Some of them are flying,
Speaker 3: some of them are driving, you know, and now you're
Speaker 3: thinking about getting everybody home because after that, you know,
Speaker 3: transportation was shut down and it's a big of known.
Speaker 3: And I remember talking to Sean Payton after Sean was
Speaker 3: working with the New York Giants, and he remembers being
Speaker 3: at practice and if you look at the practice field
Speaker 3: at the Metal Ants the old stadium, you could see
Speaker 3: what was going on in the city, you know, and
Speaker 3: they're thinking, you know, and here they are they smoking,
Speaker 3: They're seeing smoke and all that. And Sean tells a
Speaker 3: story about the eeriest thing was a couple of days
Speaker 3: later of all the cars that were parked in the
Speaker 3: parking lot at Giants Daten. People take public transportation to
Speaker 3: get into the city, and those were cars of folks
Speaker 3: that never came back for their cars. So you know,
Speaker 3: at a level, you're getting ready for a game, you're
Speaker 3: and but that now it's all like why, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, we're during the we always in the NFL.
Speaker 3: The Kennedy assassination sixty three was something that the league
Speaker 3: had to make a determination they're going to play games,
Speaker 3: and we didn't play games that we were getting ready
Speaker 3: for the Lions that day that week and they postponed
Speaker 3: the game. But it was it was. It was terrifying,
Speaker 3: It really was, because you just there was so much
Speaker 3: unknown and the news was coming in and it was
Speaker 3: so just you here and there and here, and you
Speaker 3: just didn't know why, and you didn't know what to believe.
Speaker 3: You didn't know what.
Speaker 7: You had conflicting reports on some news because it was
Speaker 7: all coming in in real time and you're watching actual
Speaker 7: footage of what's happening. Now you're seeing things and like,
Speaker 7: did I just see what I thought I saw? Like
Speaker 7: it was very very jarring and just it was very
Speaker 7: uh different obviously anything we'd ever experienced.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just immediately, like I said, when that when
Speaker 3: that plane hit the Pentagon, that was when the moment
Speaker 3: that that I went, my gosh, where war? Yeah, our
Speaker 3: country is now being attacked. You know, they're using our
Speaker 3: transportation system against us here and so yeah, that's the
Speaker 3: That was the day, and it's and and you know,
Speaker 3: and then afterward, and what was so strange is to
Speaker 3: walk outside that night and I used to live in
Speaker 3: an area where the flight path where planes were either
Speaker 3: Dallas Left Field or DFW and nothing in the sky, nothing,
Speaker 3: nothing in the sky. The whole that you're not walking
Speaker 3: and I'm thinking and there are usually planes tacked, you know,
Speaker 3: flying in and but that was that was tough. That
Speaker 3: was a tough, tough, tough few days.
Speaker 9: There a quick other story, one of our very own
Speaker 9: Larry Walsley, and guys can get to know him in
Speaker 9: one of the Deep Blue documentaries that we did Close
Speaker 9: to the Vest. But Larry, he started with Team Security,
Speaker 9: with the Cowboy Security back in the day and after
Speaker 9: nine eleven happened, I mean, he was one of the
Speaker 9: ones that started implementing and creating what it is now
Speaker 9: today known as TSA. So when you're getting your shoes
Speaker 9: off and all that, get mad.
Speaker 7: At Larry, was he with American Airlines on nine to eleven?
Speaker 7: He was right yes, and then security.
Speaker 9: Right yes, and then he Yeah, he was one of
Speaker 9: the ones that I was part of creating all of that.
Speaker 9: I mean, if you ever get to meet Larry, he
Speaker 9: has so many stories.
Speaker 11: Oh my gosther cover, he can't tell you all the story.
Speaker 3: He wrote a crazy story. He read a book called
Speaker 3: Man Drake, which was his code name for his or
Speaker 3: for his CIA stuff. It's a fascinating book. And yeah,
Speaker 3: having lunch with him is always interesting. You're asking a
Speaker 3: lot more questions than he's asking.
Speaker 7: You, and you want to just sit there and just
Speaker 7: take it all and you.
Speaker 3: Take it all in. But yeah, you're talking about TSA.
Speaker 3: Larry's also really good at helping you get the past,
Speaker 3: to get through all that.
Speaker 7: Noted, well, that was we certainly want to take this
Speaker 7: day to remember because there were lots of people who
Speaker 7: lost loved ones and those people still to this day
Speaker 7: obviously deal with that in this day. So we want
Speaker 7: to be respectful of that. And that's why I wanted
Speaker 7: to take this time to remember a little bit and
Speaker 7: tell those folks were still thinking about them, and we're
Speaker 7: still thinking about their loved ones who were lost on
Speaker 7: that day. Let's tack our first break. When we come back,
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Speaker 7: Let's let's talk about Cowboys defense versus New Orleans offense. Brian,
Speaker 7: I want you to start first with their quarterback. Obviously,
Speaker 7: they put up a ton of points last week. His
Speaker 7: stat line nineteen of twenty three, eighty three percent completion rate,
Speaker 7: two hundred yards, three touchdowns, a one forty two point
Speaker 7: five rating. Highly efficient, obviously, especially with attempts that traveled
Speaker 7: less than ten yards. I read that he was thirteen
Speaker 7: to thirteen the missles dink and dunk type pros. Yeah,
Speaker 7: but when you're doing that effectively, you can move the
Speaker 7: ball down the field. How do you assess his abilities
Speaker 7: relative to who they were playing versus how well he played.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and I think you have to give
Speaker 3: him some credit for how well he played. Clint Kubiak,
Speaker 3: the coordinator, there's a new kind of young kid group
Speaker 3: that's coming from the McVeigh Shanahan, you know, and they're
Speaker 3: all now they're infiltrating all these other teams. So you
Speaker 3: kind of see a lot of movement, a lot of motion,
Speaker 3: you know, things to try and make it easy on
Speaker 3: the quarterback. And I think that Clint called a really
Speaker 3: a nice game.
Speaker 7: For Is this Gary's kid?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Okay, yeah, and his brother works in your scouting
Speaker 3: department here. So yeah, so the Kubiak is a good
Speaker 3: football family Texas A and M. I know, I've known
Speaker 3: Gary for a long time and so it used to
Speaker 3: be a quarterback himself, right quarterback backup quarterback to John
Speaker 3: Away for like twelve years, thirteen years of a career
Speaker 3: doing that and when he had to play, they actually
Speaker 3: won game. So it's kind of he's got something like
Speaker 3: Cooper Rush to him, you know. He kind of like,
Speaker 3: you know, oh my god, he's playing and the next
Speaker 3: time you win the game. So but these these these
Speaker 3: young coordinators have ways of moving the football being created
Speaker 3: with how they do it. They they've kind of have
Speaker 3: they have motion in mind, they have ideas of trying
Speaker 3: to create mismatches. And that's really what Derek Carr needed.
Speaker 3: He needed somebody to kind of to help him along.
Speaker 3: And Derek Carr is capable of throwing the ball down
Speaker 3: the field. The first touchdown of the game was a
Speaker 3: post strike, you know that that Shaheed caught. It was
Speaker 3: a beautiful throw in a pocket that got really muddy.
Speaker 3: But Carolina did not make him feel uncomfortable at all
Speaker 3: in this game. And I think that's something that Dallas
Speaker 3: will do. Dallas will make him feel Mike Zimber will
Speaker 3: make him feel uncomfortable. Now, the things you have to
Speaker 3: worry about a little bit is because what they can
Speaker 3: do with Alvin Kamara and running the football. This off
Speaker 3: it's a line did a pretty good job coming off
Speaker 3: the football getting into Carolina. This guy man there seemed
Speaker 3: like just there was a lot of space. Watching the tape,
Speaker 3: you know, Kamara was averaging about five five a carry.
Speaker 3: There and it was. It just seemed like that every
Speaker 3: time that Carolina was facing the run, it was either
Speaker 3: a light box or they got blown off the ball.
Speaker 3: But those are the things that help Derek Carr, and
Speaker 3: if he doesn't have to make every throw, he could
Speaker 3: be the guy that you saw very accurate done miss
Speaker 3: a pass. You know, even Chris a Lobby, who I
Speaker 3: think is their best receiver, was limited in this game.
Speaker 3: Only two catches in this game, so they really really
Speaker 3: didn't need to have the big play, but they were
Speaker 3: able to. The offense did a fine job moving the
Speaker 3: football that kicked some field goals, much like what the
Speaker 3: Cowboys did against Cleveland. But you know, Derek Carr, you
Speaker 3: just can't let him feel good and let him get
Speaker 3: into We always talked about getting into a rhythm. He
Speaker 3: got into a rhythm in this Carolina game where it
Speaker 3: was dropped back, boom ball out, drop back ball, and
Speaker 3: they played a ton of snaps underneath center. I mean
Speaker 3: a ton of snaps. I think it was the highest
Speaker 3: one with them in the rams with the two of
Speaker 3: the weekend that played all these snaps under center. So okay,
Speaker 3: what does that do for you? Well, all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: it turns into well under center. That's how they get
Speaker 3: Alvin Kamara the ball. They take the ball, they walk
Speaker 3: it to him and then and then he goes. They
Speaker 3: let the blocks develop. They don't take a shotgun and
Speaker 3: hand it to him sideways and let him go. They
Speaker 3: wanted to get him the ball going downhill, and so
Speaker 3: they play under center quite a bit. This will be
Speaker 3: different from what the Cowboys have seen last week with
Speaker 3: the Browns. Real quick.
Speaker 7: When you when you mentioned that Dallas needs to make
Speaker 7: him uncomfortable, Yeah, are you thinking making him uncomfortable is
Speaker 7: more about the disguises which we talk so much about
Speaker 7: with with Zimmer or is it more about pressure pressure?
Speaker 3: Because he handled he handled the blitzing well against Carolina
Speaker 3: when Carolina blitz. I think he was eight of ten
Speaker 3: throwing the football against the blitz so it was like
Speaker 3: he knew to get it out. I think Dallas when
Speaker 3: he's going to watch the Dallas film, and as the
Speaker 3: coaches watched that film, they're they're a team that's gonna
Speaker 3: use a screen that got Kamara. They can do that.
Speaker 3: They're gonna do things to try and slow down Dallas's
Speaker 3: rush if they can. Their offensive line, like I say,
Speaker 3: they've got a rookie left tackle in Fuaga, a really
Speaker 3: good player. Loved him coming out of college. They've have
Speaker 3: some injuries at the at the left guard spot. Landing
Speaker 3: Young was stepping in for Lucas Patrick there. There seems
Speaker 3: to be a leg injury there, so a backup might
Speaker 3: be at left guard Eric Eric McCoy. The center is
Speaker 3: a good center, I mean solid as they come. Where
Speaker 3: they're a little bit I think a little bit weak.
Speaker 3: Is is a Cesar Ruiz and then Trevor Penning on
Speaker 3: the on that right side. There might be some things
Speaker 3: that Dallas can do when I talk about the pressure
Speaker 3: of like the movement that Dallas likes to do, the twisting,
Speaker 3: maybe the twist with the blitz behind it, maybe the
Speaker 3: linebacker through there. You know, those were the guys that
Speaker 3: were giving up some pressures to Carolina. Carolina just did
Speaker 3: not do a whole lot to affect them in the
Speaker 3: passing game. But but the one sack they got, the
Speaker 3: pressures that they were able to get, those are the
Speaker 3: things you got to do with Carr because if he's
Speaker 3: just gonna sit there and just and just play pitch
Speaker 3: and catch all day, he could be very difficult to
Speaker 3: deal with.
Speaker 9: Well, based on how the Cowboys defense played last week,
Speaker 9: and I get a different offense. Brown's office and the
Speaker 9: Saints offense very different. But in my mind, I'm trying
Speaker 9: to figure out, Okay, based on what they gave us
Speaker 9: on the field, the Cowboys defense, they it's so good
Speaker 9: that I'm trying to figure out where would be some
Speaker 9: areas in this game that they could.
Speaker 3: Actually Yeah, it's have issues with you were the Browns
Speaker 3: were compromised, But I thought Dallas's scheme if Dallas, if
Speaker 3: the Browns tackles would have played in this game, I
Speaker 3: think they would have still got pressure the way that
Speaker 3: they schemed very early, very small sample size with what
Speaker 3: Mike could do. Mike was on the podium yesterday talking
Speaker 3: about their things that he could do with Micah that
Speaker 3: he didn't get to. So that encouraging, you know that
Speaker 3: fact he's going to watch this tape and he's going
Speaker 3: to see a rookie left tackle that's a quality, quality
Speaker 3: left tackle. The kid's going to be a really good
Speaker 3: player one day, but he is a rookie right now.
Speaker 3: And and and they they they were, they were They
Speaker 3: left him out there, much like the Cowboys kind of
Speaker 3: left Guitton out there to kind of to see where
Speaker 3: he was at. Saints did the same thing with their guy.
Speaker 3: They said, okay, let's see how much he could really take,
Speaker 3: and he did a pretty solid job. Like I say,
Speaker 3: but that right size with Ruiz and Pinny that I'm
Speaker 3: just kind of looking at them and I'm seeing Carolina
Speaker 3: and it's like ball out, but there's a guy there,
Speaker 3: you know, and it okay, where's it off of It's
Speaker 3: off that right side. So I'm going to try if
Speaker 3: I can't, I'm going to see that this team will
Speaker 3: also max protect. They will keep like we've seen Dallas
Speaker 3: in the past where they keep tight ends in and
Speaker 3: make sure that the ball gets out. I could see
Speaker 3: them doing the same thing to try and find you know, Okay,
Speaker 3: where's Parsons, Let's move, let's you know, let's make sure
Speaker 3: we have guys overtaking care. And now it's going to
Speaker 3: be on Tank, it's going to be on Osa, it's
Speaker 3: gonna be on these linebackers. You know, you've you've got
Speaker 3: to you've got to be able to get some pressure.
Speaker 3: And like I keep saying, that right side to me,
Speaker 3: it would be the Cowboys left. But the Saints right
Speaker 3: side is the spot I would I would look at
Speaker 3: maybe attacking here.
Speaker 7: As you look at the running backs you mentioned Alvil
Speaker 7: Kamara obviously also have Jamal Williams talking to me about
Speaker 7: the strength of etg each of these backs and how
Speaker 7: do they use them. Do they use him in a
Speaker 7: perceptible way, a unique role for each one. Are they
Speaker 7: just kind of interchange.
Speaker 3: Them, Yeah, they interchange, but Kamara is When Kamara plays,
Speaker 3: it is a it's it's very noticeable. He still has
Speaker 3: those traits we've seen from him in the past. He
Speaker 3: could be very explosive, he could be powerful. He's could
Speaker 3: be hard to tackle. You have to get you know,
Speaker 3: bodies to him, shoulder on and wrap him up, much
Speaker 3: like with Overshown the way he was tackling. That's how
Speaker 3: you have to play against this guy. They'll use him
Speaker 3: in the screen package games, you know, they'll slip him out.
Speaker 3: They'll actually put him out wide. They have had they
Speaker 3: had several they had three routes where he was running.
Speaker 3: He was running routes of like normal wide receiver's routes,
Speaker 3: incut outcut, you know, post route. So they'll they'll motion
Speaker 3: him out of the backfield and then throw him the football.
Speaker 3: They like to motion him out and then throw him
Speaker 3: to throw him like the wide almost like a wide
Speaker 3: receiver screen over there with blockers in front. So here's
Speaker 3: a team that will go motion and then they'll motion
Speaker 3: again behind that, so they'll you get like two sets
Speaker 3: of motion. It's not just one motion. It's a motion
Speaker 3: to get to a blocker in a position, and then
Speaker 3: it's a motion again to get the receiver behind the
Speaker 3: blocker in order to get him the football. So you
Speaker 3: have to be aware of like, okay, get ready for
Speaker 3: multiple motions, you know, on pre snap and things like that.
Speaker 3: But he still runs the ball effectively. He's healthy. There's
Speaker 3: been times where he hasn't been healthy. They haven't always
Speaker 3: blocked great for him. But the Carolina Carolina really did
Speaker 3: not have I didn't think much an answer for when
Speaker 3: they handed the ball off, it seemed like that he
Speaker 3: was coming downhill. Uh. There was very few times where
Speaker 3: Carolina defender was able to win and then make a
Speaker 3: play there at the line of scrimmage. So you know, Dallas,
Speaker 3: Dallas will be a different challenge for the Saints just
Speaker 3: because and and just because of the personnel that they have.
Speaker 3: The front seven that they have. Carolina doesn't have the
Speaker 3: front seven that Dallas has, so that would be the challenge.
Speaker 3: Can these five guys up front? Can these tight ends? Uh?
Speaker 3: You know when you when you look at the when
Speaker 3: you look at these these tight ends as well. You know,
Speaker 3: Foster Moreau is a guy that's they kind of that
Speaker 3: he's their starting tight end. He's a motion guy, he's
Speaker 3: a point of attack guy. The ball goes to him
Speaker 3: in a lot of different ways. But he's a little
Speaker 3: banged up right now with a concussion. I believe has
Speaker 3: a head injury. So we'll see if he's available this week.
Speaker 3: But it's a team that, like I said, likes to
Speaker 3: move guys to get in position, get the ball to
Speaker 3: the ball career, and then let people block from that.
Speaker 7: Hill is a guy that they kind of use as
Speaker 7: a gadget guy. Had a few plays from last week.
Speaker 7: How do you best defend a guy like that?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, with him, remember with Sean Payton when
Speaker 3: the Cowboys would play Sean Payton and Taysom Hill. But
Speaker 3: the one time he was a starting quarterback and that
Speaker 3: was just kind of a mess that you're like thinking, Okay,
Speaker 3: Dallas should win this game. Dak versus Taysom Hill. That
Speaker 3: should be a win for Dallas. Dallas has the better
Speaker 3: quarterback here. The thing with Taysom Hill, there used to
Speaker 3: be what we call the wildcat, a lot of that,
Speaker 3: you know, direct snap power, run the football. Not so
Speaker 3: much anymore. They might you might see Taysom Hill be it.
Speaker 3: I think it was one snap that I saw where
Speaker 3: he took this direct snap and then ran forward for
Speaker 3: about five yards. But it's a lot less of it's
Speaker 3: more of like, put him in the backfield and hand
Speaker 3: him the actual runner. He's an actual runner. They will
Speaker 3: put him. They will put him in a situation where
Speaker 3: they'll take Kamara out, they'll take Williams out, and they'll
Speaker 3: put they'll put him as an actual runner, and then
Speaker 3: they'll play with Pernice as the apprentice excuse me, as
Speaker 3: the full back, and he's kind of listed as a
Speaker 3: full back tight end guy. But you'll see a lot
Speaker 3: of that that that two back look much like what
Speaker 3: Dallas did the other day we were talking about twenty
Speaker 3: one personnel. We were talking about twenty two personnel. The
Speaker 3: Saints will do the same thing because they do play
Speaker 3: more with a full back than some of the teams
Speaker 3: you traditionally face.
Speaker 7: All right, let let's talk a little bit about the
Speaker 7: offensive line. You mentioned that that that side was a
Speaker 7: particular right side. If you were if you were kind
Speaker 7: of going at this from the standpoint of where they're
Speaker 7: most vulnerable, from the standpoint of getting quick pressure, where
Speaker 7: would you think is the best point to get quick pressure?
Speaker 7: Because it does sound like they're getting rid of the
Speaker 7: ball player. You got to get quick pressure. Where's the
Speaker 7: best point?
Speaker 3: I think it's Ruiz. I think it's Ruiz the right guard,
Speaker 3: because that puts you right on the ball. That puts
Speaker 3: you right where a quarterback it's going to stand pinning
Speaker 3: on the right as the right tackle you you could
Speaker 3: win against him. Might be a little bit longer. But
Speaker 3: the Carolina was having some success with some quick pressure.
Speaker 3: They weren't the threshold of the numbers like that two
Speaker 3: point five and they were hitting that, but they weren't
Speaker 3: going any quicker than that. Ruiz was the one that
Speaker 3: was having the problems. He's number fifty one, He's the
Speaker 3: right guard. He's the guy that all of a sudden
Speaker 3: you can kind of get around him, but the ball
Speaker 3: would be out. But if you somehow can hold up
Speaker 3: on the back end, you know, with the covering the routes,
Speaker 3: you know, press whatever they have to do. Dallas was
Speaker 3: playing a ton of zone. Yeah, maybe they'll turn around
Speaker 3: and play a little bit different, give them a little
Speaker 3: bit different. Look with with the Lobby and Wilson and
Speaker 3: Shaheed in this game, maybe they feel a little bit
Speaker 3: more comfortable covering these guys than what they were, you
Speaker 3: know what they were doing with with the Browns. Played
Speaker 3: a little bit more zone with the Browns. Maybe a
Speaker 3: little bit more man coverage here because I think you
Speaker 3: got to get the pressure on this guy. And you
Speaker 3: mentioned get it quick. But to you to your question, Ruiz,
Speaker 3: the right guard would be the point that I would
Speaker 3: attack there to get quick pressure on.
Speaker 7: Do those corner do the corners for the cow Boys?
Speaker 7: Do you think they have the ability to play man
Speaker 7: press against these times?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I do. I think that with I really do.
Speaker 3: Like Chris o'lovey and and and Shaheed is a Shaheed's
Speaker 3: a boomer Bus player. He's a downfield he is a
Speaker 3: he is a downfield player. He's either gonna have a
Speaker 3: fifty yard catch or he's gonna have no catch. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 3: but and so and then we all know Cedric Wilson.
Speaker 3: Cedric Wilson kind of an intermediate, not a guy with
Speaker 3: a lot of speed, but the guy's, you know, pretty
Speaker 3: sure handed in the way they use it. They used
Speaker 3: a rookie. They have a fifth round rookie named bub
Speaker 3: Means that plays. He had one target but no catch.
Speaker 3: They're trying to kind of get him incorporated in what
Speaker 3: they're doing. But a lot of three wide receiver look
Speaker 3: and they like the they like the the trips. They'll
Speaker 3: put them all on one side of the field, so
Speaker 3: you have three receivers, so they'll have you have to
Speaker 3: deal with that. You play man coverage. You worry about
Speaker 3: the scatter where they just all now picking up guys.
Speaker 3: We saw that in the in the Packers game last year,
Speaker 3: where all of a sudden you get a trip's formation
Speaker 3: scatter and then guys are letting guys run free. I
Speaker 3: think Mike's group's a little bit more buttoned up and
Speaker 3: be able to handle that. But there should be a
Speaker 3: good matchup with Dallas's corners on this group right here.
Speaker 7: All right, let's take our first second break when we
Speaker 7: come back. I have some questions and I'm sure and
Speaker 7: we has some answers for me on the Dallas defense
Speaker 7: and maybe how they're going to match up some of
Speaker 7: the things we saw from last week, particularly talk a
Speaker 7: little bit about Mozzi Smith and what we saw from
Speaker 7: him and a couple other guys. Then when we come
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Speaker 7: going to continue our breakdown of the Cowboys defense versus
Speaker 7: the Saints offense. My first question for you guys was
Speaker 7: they didn't really move Michael around a ton in this
Speaker 7: last game is this a matchup where you expect him
Speaker 7: to move around a little bit, for them to move
Speaker 7: him around a little bit more and maybe take advantage
Speaker 7: of some mismatches in certain areas.
Speaker 3: Was there three spots he went to He was left, left, right, left, right,
Speaker 3: and then he played inside right. Not a lot though,
Speaker 3: not a lot. No, no, but I mean there were
Speaker 3: times where he was inside and kneeling was outside. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, okay, So what other spots can he
Speaker 3: move to?
Speaker 7: Himbacker?
Speaker 3: Well, okay, yeah, you could play him as an a
Speaker 3: gap line back. Do you need him to you don't, No, No,
Speaker 3: I was just asking because I was when you say,
Speaker 3: when they say move him around. I like what they
Speaker 3: did with him and Lawrence on the same side. I
Speaker 3: like that that was the right side thing. And then
Speaker 3: I like what they did with him just on the
Speaker 3: naturally on the left side, which is something that you
Speaker 3: know they put Tank on the right side, put him
Speaker 3: on the left side, and that seems like, oh wow,
Speaker 3: you're a little bit better maybe defending the run over.
Speaker 3: They're always worried about the Cowboys at the right end
Speaker 3: and being able to defend the run. Even though Neilan
Speaker 3: did a pretty good job over there. I just wonder
Speaker 3: how many other spots can they move him to?
Speaker 7: Well, according to both Micah and there's spots, there's more,
Speaker 7: we got a lot more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But but I agree with you.
Speaker 7: I mean, I think you could you could look at
Speaker 7: an a gap blitz linebacker. You maybe could look at a
Speaker 7: stand up outside guy.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's what I'm saying it would be. He was
Speaker 3: he was hand down, they had tank inside him outside.
Speaker 3: You can maybe put him inside, put tank outside. But
Speaker 3: I was just trying to think. We saw in training
Speaker 3: camp the where they had they had Kendricks playing as
Speaker 3: a as really as a what the mug or right
Speaker 3: at the line of scrimmage right there in the A gap.
Speaker 3: They had Mike in the other A gap, but they
Speaker 3: had him at depth and maybe they even played him
Speaker 3: a little bit where they shaded him behind Kendricks. And
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden he was shown like he
Speaker 3: was a gap guy and he ended up in the
Speaker 3: C gap on the outside and he came in and
Speaker 3: then he picked him up. It's like they they lost
Speaker 3: him in like the snap. He walks up and then
Speaker 3: just ran around and then the line was trying to
Speaker 3: deal with the blitz, they all middle and they all
Speaker 3: they just squeeze and now what happens. It gets him
Speaker 3: around the corner. And then Dak was like a damn,
Speaker 3: you know, like, Okay, I thought I had you accounted for,
Speaker 3: but he was he was in a stack position. I
Speaker 3: guess that's something that we could see, you know, or
Speaker 3: they can mug him with Kendricks.
Speaker 7: At right there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I just was curious to like, how many
Speaker 3: other places could they They play him in safety? Hey,
Speaker 3: what are there? What are there? Really? What are the sacks?
Speaker 3: They got? The Kendrick sack was him playing? They had
Speaker 3: him like and then they dropped him a tank and
Speaker 3: they brought Lewis on the blitz. So I yeah, maybe
Speaker 3: they could play, but I think he's going to always
Speaker 3: be outside inside stack guy, maybe detached guy. You know.
Speaker 3: They it's it's a nice thing. Oh yeah, We've got
Speaker 3: a lot of other places we can make Mikick. Can
Speaker 3: you rush him from like the bench? You know.
Speaker 9: I love that they have the ability and they're in
Speaker 9: a position to actually allow him to do those kinds
Speaker 9: of things, because I think that him being able to
Speaker 9: play at different positions allows him to be more explosive,
Speaker 9: like it just fits his type of personality. I think
Speaker 9: it allows him because and I remember at some point
Speaker 9: one of the shows with Derek, he brought like, you know,
Speaker 9: the type of personality that he is, and all you
Speaker 9: have to look at is the type of things that
Speaker 9: he does during the off season, wrestling, basketball, this and that.
Speaker 9: So it keeps him, I think, more into the game
Speaker 9: and it prevents him to remember was it last year
Speaker 9: maybe or two years ago maybe I don't remember when
Speaker 9: we were talking about how his worst enemy can be
Speaker 9: his mental self where he can get to in his head,
Speaker 9: he can get frustrated, and I think this scheming him
Speaker 9: in that way is just it fits him perfect and
Speaker 9: I think it just keeps him more fresh and it
Speaker 9: puts him in a better position overall to keep trying.
Speaker 9: And after that game where he was like, yes he
Speaker 9: was happy with everybody but him wanting to have more
Speaker 9: sex and things like that, I can see this being
Speaker 9: an opportunity for him to exploit that and actually get
Speaker 9: to the quarterback.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I ran into Isaiah standback on the way when he
Speaker 3: was coming out. I was coming in and he they
Speaker 3: did an interview with the interview yesterday. Yeah, and he
Speaker 3: was talking about Yeah, in the NFL network and he
Speaker 3: was talking about, uh, that that Mike Zimmer gives him
Speaker 3: freedom for some of the call stuff, like when they
Speaker 3: feel like that Mike has it kind of built in.
Speaker 3: I'd be interested to ask Zim. I'm like, hey, man,
Speaker 3: we bluffing here. Is you really giving him freedom? I'm
Speaker 3: sure because the talent of the player. He's saying, Okay, listen,
Speaker 3: I'm going to call this. But if you, if you,
Speaker 3: if you're going to adjust it. This is what we're
Speaker 3: going to have to do. This is maybe why they're
Speaker 3: spending a lot of time together. Mike's explained, and listen,
Speaker 3: when I make this call, this is what I need
Speaker 3: from you. But if you feel like you can get
Speaker 3: home standing up in the A gap or playing in
Speaker 3: the playing the C gap, wherever you feel like, because
Speaker 3: if you do, if you do play that, now Mike's
Speaker 3: got to adjust for everybody else. We always talk about track.
Speaker 3: Remember the story about oh, hey, is Dig's going to travel? Yeah,
Speaker 3: Diggs is going to travel. But what happens when you travel,
Speaker 3: everybody else has to change up what they're doing. If
Speaker 3: you play things the same, if you play it, it's
Speaker 3: pretty standard. Everybody's fine travel a guy. Now, safety has
Speaker 3: to do this, other corner has to do this, linebacker
Speaker 3: has to do this. You just got to make sure.
Speaker 3: And I think that's where Micah and you mentioned the
Speaker 3: challenge that Micah has the buy in with Zim. If
Speaker 3: Zim is going to allow him to have that kind
Speaker 3: of autonomy to do what he needs to do, then
Speaker 3: he needs.
Speaker 9: I think they have the perfect relationship. They have such
Speaker 9: a good reaon they do. Yeah, yeah, right, so far,
Speaker 9: so good. But I think it's it's just the level
Speaker 9: of respect and I think Trusty comes into hand, Uh
Speaker 9: into play as well, and I think everybody else what
Speaker 9: everybody else is doing around him, that everyone knows their job. Nobody.
Speaker 9: It's not getting confusing. Everyone knows exactly what they're doing
Speaker 9: and how to adjust this. All these younger players being
Speaker 9: in there, they're staying up to date on whatever is
Speaker 9: going on. So I got to give credit to a
Speaker 9: lot of other those young guys. They're just keeping up
Speaker 9: with everything.
Speaker 3: I think that the addition of Kendricks really is helping
Speaker 3: this defense in a week one. I'm just gonna say
Speaker 3: that because communication being on the same page. You know,
Speaker 3: you look at over shown Leafel. I think with the snaps,
Speaker 3: she got smart guy. You don't really worry about him Clark.
Speaker 3: When Clark played, the best thing that happened to Clark
Speaker 3: was that that number fifty showed up because number fifty
Speaker 3: could say, all right, man, get ready here, oh formation beer,
Speaker 3: you know, and now Clark can go be a football player.
Speaker 3: Clark doesn't have to think, oh my gosh, what's happening
Speaker 3: from me right now? He could go be a football player.
Speaker 3: So Zimmer, Parsons could be whatever they want to do.
Speaker 3: The guy that kind of keeps everything together, I think
Speaker 3: is Kendricks. That kind of has and then you got smart.
Speaker 3: We were talking about Lewis playing in the slot. You know,
Speaker 3: Lewis knows what he has to do. That's a difficult
Speaker 3: job he has. He's kind of on an island by
Speaker 3: himself playing out there. So you know, if you got
Speaker 3: smart guys. We talked about it when Zimber got hired.
Speaker 3: Zimmer's going to play smart guys. Zimmer, if you're not
Speaker 3: doing the right things, you're making mistakes. You'll be standing
Speaker 3: over by us over there on the sidelines.
Speaker 7: All right, give me a give me a scatter report
Speaker 7: on what you saw from Ozzie Smith in this game.
Speaker 3: In this last game, I thought Mozzie Smith was a
Speaker 3: positive player. I didn't think he was a Negative's times
Speaker 3: where Mozzie Smith is a negative player. He's a negative
Speaker 3: and negative in a way that he hurts your defense.
Speaker 3: Mazzie didn't hurt your defense in this game. I think
Speaker 3: he got twenty snaps in this game. The positive snaps,
Speaker 3: the ability to stay square. We always talk about that
Speaker 3: with defensive linemen. If you see the five in the eight,
Speaker 3: if Mazzi from the TV copy, he's having a bad
Speaker 3: day because if you see his number, that means he's
Speaker 3: getting turned. He's usually getting washed. I thought he played
Speaker 3: with power. I thought in the early snaps he played
Speaker 3: with some quickness. I thought he got off the ball. Well.
Speaker 3: There was a couple of times where you reverted back
Speaker 3: to you watch the tape pan on the ground, everybody's moving, Mazi,
Speaker 3: gotta move, move Mazzi. You know so, But he wasn't.
Speaker 3: It wasn't twenty negative plays or where all of a
Speaker 3: sudden you're watching him play. He played twenty plays because
Speaker 3: he was playing well. You know, he was playing well,
Speaker 3: and and now we're it's I feel sad to say that.
Speaker 3: You know, the numbers didn't show that, but if you
Speaker 3: watch how the technique of how he played, and he
Speaker 3: they asked him what they asked him to do much
Speaker 3: better at that.
Speaker 9: I thought he he played okay, but something that I
Speaker 9: was very curious to see heading into week one, given
Speaker 9: everything that we saw during training camp, and helped me
Speaker 9: out with the coach's name, I can never pronounce his name.
Speaker 3: I bow Jeff su Gina.
Speaker 7: I just call them the defensive line cups coach.
Speaker 9: If you know how that guy is, We've talked about
Speaker 9: it NonStop.
Speaker 3: I had to leave the premises.
Speaker 9: It was one of those questions that either either you're like,
Speaker 9: you know what, I'm done with this, like quit talking
Speaker 9: to me like that, Derek, okay, you know, I walk out,
Speaker 9: or we're going to have a fight over here. But
Speaker 9: it wasn't like so. I was just very curious to
Speaker 9: see how he would handle that mental part of it,
Speaker 9: because it can either make you or break you. And
Speaker 9: sometimes getting somebody yelling at you constantly, it gets into
Speaker 9: your head. And I think he handled the game much
Speaker 9: better than I expected, giving what he had to go
Speaker 9: through all through a training camp.
Speaker 3: It was there were times where training camp is rough
Speaker 3: for him. Absolutely, And like I said, I was watching
Speaker 3: from the platform and I had to walk away because
Speaker 3: I felt like that, like I don't want to watch
Speaker 3: this anymore, you know, I mean, I feel I felt
Speaker 3: for the point of you know, they worked hard. I mean,
Speaker 3: and Mazie he could have broke, he could have broke.
Speaker 3: I think when he looks at this tape, he's going
Speaker 3: to see himself in a better light. Is it what
Speaker 3: you need right now? Yeah? In a rotation with guys, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you can win. Be a positive player. Don't be a
Speaker 3: negative player. Don't be a liability when they when you
Speaker 3: play twenty snaps fifteen of them, be a positive play.
Speaker 3: Make them count. All right, that's a wrap.
Speaker 7: We will be back tomorrow. We'll start talking Cowboys offense
Speaker 7: versus Saints defense. Till then for Brian brod A, SAMBERGARSI
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