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Speaker 7: It is Wednesday, September eleventh, twenty twenty four, Season twenty,

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Speaker 7: We started the day today doing a little bit of remembering.

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Speaker 7: Today is nine to eleven, and uh it was. It's

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Speaker 7: obviously a day to remember for our country, the twenty

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Speaker 7: third anniversary of the tragedies that happened there in New

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Speaker 7: York and in DC. Let's let's I want to go

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Speaker 7: around and tell you and just kind of get a

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Speaker 7: perspective of where were you on that day? I was

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Speaker 7: at Valley Ranch working and I remember I as it

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Speaker 7: There was an area in the back of Valley Ranch

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Speaker 7: Jake was He was an older guy, but really really

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Speaker 7: and he's like, hey, you're seeing what's going on? And

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Speaker 7: so I start watching this with him. And at that

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Speaker 7: point we had no idea what it was. We just

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Speaker 7: knew that they'd been in, you know, playing it blown

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Speaker 7: and then we started getting the reports and it was

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Speaker 7: It was something that people in America, at least people

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Speaker 7: it was it was a very very unsettling time. And

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Speaker 7: then you start trying to call family, and I'm trying

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Speaker 7: so downtown metropolitan areas were all starting to get worried,

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Speaker 7: like are their planes heading toward our buildings? And so

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Speaker 7: you're having those kinds of conversations. So it was a

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Speaker 7: pretty weird tough day. And obviously we weren't in New York,

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Speaker 3: But but I'll go around the table.

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Speaker 7: I remember, what was your day like that?

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Speaker 9: I was still living in Dominican Republic. I remember we

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Speaker 9: this is really really bad. But again you don't understand

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Speaker 9: the magnitude of it and what it means. At the time,

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Speaker 9: I did have a sister, she was a half sister.

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Speaker 9: but she was living in in New York and luckily

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Speaker 3: This is news.

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Speaker 9: This is something that hit worldwide, and you did see

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I had a unique perspective I think from my

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had a different perspective. Were I like you, Derek.

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Speaker 3: we're under attack. This is now where our country is

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Speaker 9: There a quick other story, one of our very own

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Speaker 9: Larry Walsley, and guys can get to know him in

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Speaker 9: one of the Deep Blue documentaries that we did Close

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Speaker 9: to the Vest. But Larry, he started with Team Security,

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Speaker 7: Let's let's talk about Cowboys defense versus New Orleans offense. Brian,

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Speaker 3: Because he handled he handled the blitzing well against Carolina

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Speaker 9: Well, based on how the Cowboys defense played last week,

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Speaker 3: Actually Yeah, it's have issues with you were the Browns

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Speaker 3: Mike could do. Mike was on the podium yesterday talking

439
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Speaker 3: about their things that he could do with Micah that

440
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Speaker 3: he didn't get to. So that encouraging, you know that

441
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Speaker 3: fact he's going to watch this tape and he's going

442
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Speaker 3: to see a rookie left tackle that's a quality, quality

443
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Speaker 3: left tackle. The kid's going to be a really good

444
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Speaker 3: player one day, but he is a rookie right now.

445
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Speaker 3: And and and they they they were, they were They

446
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Speaker 3: left him out there, much like the Cowboys kind of

447
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 3: left Guitton out there to kind of to see where

448
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,880
Speaker 3: he was at. Saints did the same thing with their guy.

449
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Speaker 3: They said, okay, let's see how much he could really take,

450
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Speaker 3: and he did a pretty solid job. Like I say,

451
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Speaker 3: but that right size with Ruiz and Pinny that I'm

452
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Speaker 3: just kind of looking at them and I'm seeing Carolina

453
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Speaker 3: and it's like ball out, but there's a guy there,

454
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Speaker 3: you know, and it okay, where's it off of It's

455
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Speaker 3: off that right side. So I'm going to try if

456
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Speaker 3: I can't, I'm going to see that this team will

457
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Speaker 3: also max protect. They will keep like we've seen Dallas

458
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Speaker 3: in the past where they keep tight ends in and

459
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Speaker 3: make sure that the ball gets out. I could see

460
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Speaker 3: them doing the same thing to try and find you know, Okay,

461
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Speaker 3: where's Parsons, Let's move, let's you know, let's make sure

462
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 3: we have guys overtaking care. And now it's going to

463
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Speaker 3: be on Tank, it's going to be on Osa, it's

464
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Speaker 3: gonna be on these linebackers. You know, you've you've got

465
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Speaker 3: to you've got to be able to get some pressure.

466
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Speaker 3: And like I keep saying, that right side to me,

467
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Speaker 3: it would be the Cowboys left. But the Saints right

468
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Speaker 3: side is the spot I would I would look at

469
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Speaker 3: maybe attacking here.

470
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Speaker 7: As you look at the running backs you mentioned Alvil

471
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Speaker 7: Kamara obviously also have Jamal Williams talking to me about

472
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Speaker 7: the strength of etg each of these backs and how

473
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Speaker 7: do they use them. Do they use him in a

474
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Speaker 7: perceptible way, a unique role for each one. Are they

475
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Speaker 7: just kind of interchange.

476
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Speaker 3: Them, Yeah, they interchange, but Kamara is When Kamara plays,

477
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Speaker 3: it is a it's it's very noticeable. He still has

478
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Speaker 3: those traits we've seen from him in the past. He

479
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 3: could be very explosive, he could be powerful. He's could

480
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Speaker 3: be hard to tackle. You have to get you know,

481
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Speaker 3: bodies to him, shoulder on and wrap him up, much

482
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Speaker 3: like with Overshown the way he was tackling. That's how

483
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Speaker 3: you have to play against this guy. They'll use him

484
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Speaker 3: in the screen package games, you know, they'll slip him out.

485
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Speaker 3: They'll actually put him out wide. They have had they

486
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Speaker 3: had several they had three routes where he was running.

487
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Speaker 3: He was running routes of like normal wide receiver's routes,

488
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Speaker 3: incut outcut, you know, post route. So they'll they'll motion

489
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Speaker 3: him out of the backfield and then throw him the football.

490
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 3: They like to motion him out and then throw him

491
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Speaker 3: to throw him like the wide almost like a wide

492
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Speaker 3: receiver screen over there with blockers in front. So here's

493
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Speaker 3: a team that will go motion and then they'll motion

494
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Speaker 3: again behind that, so they'll you get like two sets

495
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Speaker 3: of motion. It's not just one motion. It's a motion

496
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Speaker 3: to get to a blocker in a position, and then

497
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Speaker 3: it's a motion again to get the receiver behind the

498
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Speaker 3: blocker in order to get him the football. So you

499
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Speaker 3: have to be aware of like, okay, get ready for

500
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Speaker 3: multiple motions, you know, on pre snap and things like that.

501
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Speaker 3: But he still runs the ball effectively. He's healthy. There's

502
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Speaker 3: been times where he hasn't been healthy. They haven't always

503
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Speaker 3: blocked great for him. But the Carolina Carolina really did

504
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Speaker 3: not have I didn't think much an answer for when

505
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Speaker 3: they handed the ball off, it seemed like that he

506
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 3: was coming downhill. Uh. There was very few times where

507
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Speaker 3: Carolina defender was able to win and then make a

508
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Speaker 3: play there at the line of scrimmage. So you know, Dallas,

509
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Speaker 3: Dallas will be a different challenge for the Saints just

510
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Speaker 3: because and and just because of the personnel that they have.

511
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Speaker 3: The front seven that they have. Carolina doesn't have the

512
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Speaker 3: front seven that Dallas has, so that would be the challenge.

513
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Speaker 3: Can these five guys up front? Can these tight ends? Uh?

514
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Speaker 3: You know when you when you look at the when

515
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,239
Speaker 3: you look at these these tight ends as well. You know,

516
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Speaker 3: Foster Moreau is a guy that's they kind of that

517
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Speaker 3: he's their starting tight end. He's a motion guy, he's

518
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 3: a point of attack guy. The ball goes to him

519
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 3: in a lot of different ways. But he's a little

520
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 3: banged up right now with a concussion. I believe has

521
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Speaker 3: a head injury. So we'll see if he's available this week.

522
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Speaker 3: But it's a team that, like I said, likes to

523
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Speaker 3: move guys to get in position, get the ball to

524
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Speaker 3: the ball career, and then let people block from that.

525
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Speaker 7: Hill is a guy that they kind of use as

526
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Speaker 7: a gadget guy. Had a few plays from last week.

527
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Speaker 7: How do you best defend a guy like that?

528
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, with him, remember with Sean Payton when

529
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 3: the Cowboys would play Sean Payton and Taysom Hill. But

530
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 3: the one time he was a starting quarterback and that

531
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 3: was just kind of a mess that you're like thinking, Okay,

532
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 3: Dallas should win this game. Dak versus Taysom Hill. That

533
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 3: should be a win for Dallas. Dallas has the better

534
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Speaker 3: quarterback here. The thing with Taysom Hill, there used to

535
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 3: be what we call the wildcat, a lot of that,

536
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 3: you know, direct snap power, run the football. Not so

537
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Speaker 3: much anymore. They might you might see Taysom Hill be it.

538
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Speaker 3: I think it was one snap that I saw where

539
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 3: he took this direct snap and then ran forward for

540
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 3: about five yards. But it's a lot less of it's

541
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Speaker 3: more of like, put him in the backfield and hand

542
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 3: him the actual runner. He's an actual runner. They will

543
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Speaker 3: put him. They will put him in a situation where

544
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Speaker 3: they'll take Kamara out, they'll take Williams out, and they'll

545
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Speaker 3: put they'll put him as an actual runner, and then

546
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Speaker 3: they'll play with Pernice as the apprentice excuse me, as

547
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 3: the full back, and he's kind of listed as a

548
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 3: full back tight end guy. But you'll see a lot

549
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 3: of that that that two back look much like what

550
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 3: Dallas did the other day we were talking about twenty

551
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 3: one personnel. We were talking about twenty two personnel. The

552
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 3: Saints will do the same thing because they do play

553
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Speaker 3: more with a full back than some of the teams

554
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Speaker 3: you traditionally face.

555
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Speaker 7: All right, let let's talk a little bit about the

556
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Speaker 7: offensive line. You mentioned that that that side was a

557
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Speaker 7: particular right side. If you were if you were kind

558
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Speaker 7: of going at this from the standpoint of where they're

559
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Speaker 7: most vulnerable, from the standpoint of getting quick pressure, where

560
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Speaker 7: would you think is the best point to get quick pressure?

561
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Speaker 7: Because it does sound like they're getting rid of the

562
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Speaker 7: ball player. You got to get quick pressure. Where's the

563
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Speaker 7: best point?

564
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Speaker 3: I think it's Ruiz. I think it's Ruiz the right guard,

565
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 3: because that puts you right on the ball. That puts

566
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Speaker 3: you right where a quarterback it's going to stand pinning

567
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Speaker 3: on the right as the right tackle you you could

568
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Speaker 3: win against him. Might be a little bit longer. But

569
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Speaker 3: the Carolina was having some success with some quick pressure.

570
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Speaker 3: They weren't the threshold of the numbers like that two

571
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Speaker 3: point five and they were hitting that, but they weren't

572
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Speaker 3: going any quicker than that. Ruiz was the one that

573
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Speaker 3: was having the problems. He's number fifty one, He's the

574
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Speaker 3: right guard. He's the guy that all of a sudden

575
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Speaker 3: you can kind of get around him, but the ball

576
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 3: would be out. But if you somehow can hold up

577
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Speaker 3: on the back end, you know, with the covering the routes,

578
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Speaker 3: you know, press whatever they have to do. Dallas was

579
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 3: playing a ton of zone. Yeah, maybe they'll turn around

580
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 3: and play a little bit different, give them a little

581
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Speaker 3: bit different. Look with with the Lobby and Wilson and

582
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Speaker 3: Shaheed in this game, maybe they feel a little bit

583
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 3: more comfortable covering these guys than what they were, you

584
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Speaker 3: know what they were doing with with the Browns. Played

585
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 3: a little bit more zone with the Browns. Maybe a

586
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Speaker 3: little bit more man coverage here because I think you

587
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Speaker 3: got to get the pressure on this guy. And you

588
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Speaker 3: mentioned get it quick. But to you to your question, Ruiz,

589
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Speaker 3: the right guard would be the point that I would

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Speaker 3: attack there to get quick pressure on.

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Speaker 7: Do those corner do the corners for the cow Boys?

592
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Speaker 7: Do you think they have the ability to play man

593
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Speaker 7: press against these times?

594
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Speaker 3: Yeah? I do. I think that with I really do.

595
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Speaker 3: Like Chris o'lovey and and and Shaheed is a Shaheed's

596
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Speaker 3: a boomer Bus player. He's a downfield he is a

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Speaker 3: he is a downfield player. He's either gonna have a

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Speaker 3: fifty yard catch or he's gonna have no catch. Yeah. Uh,

599
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Speaker 3: but and so and then we all know Cedric Wilson.

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Speaker 3: Cedric Wilson kind of an intermediate, not a guy with

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Speaker 3: a lot of speed, but the guy's, you know, pretty

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Speaker 3: sure handed in the way they use it. They used

603
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Speaker 3: a rookie. They have a fifth round rookie named bub

604
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Speaker 3: Means that plays. He had one target but no catch.

605
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Speaker 3: They're trying to kind of get him incorporated in what

606
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Speaker 3: they're doing. But a lot of three wide receiver look

607
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Speaker 3: and they like the they like the the trips. They'll

608
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Speaker 3: put them all on one side of the field, so

609
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Speaker 3: you have three receivers, so they'll have you have to

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Speaker 3: deal with that. You play man coverage. You worry about

611
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Speaker 3: the scatter where they just all now picking up guys.

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Speaker 3: We saw that in the in the Packers game last year,

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Speaker 3: where all of a sudden you get a trip's formation

614
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Speaker 3: scatter and then guys are letting guys run free. I

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Speaker 3: think Mike's group's a little bit more buttoned up and

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Speaker 3: be able to handle that. But there should be a

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Speaker 3: good matchup with Dallas's corners on this group right here.

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Speaker 7: All right, let's take our first second break when we

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Speaker 7: come back. I have some questions and I'm sure and

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Speaker 7: we has some answers for me on the Dallas defense

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Speaker 7: and maybe how they're going to match up some of

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Speaker 7: the things we saw from last week, particularly talk a

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Speaker 7: little bit about Mozzi Smith and what we saw from

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Speaker 7: going to continue our breakdown of the Cowboys defense versus

682
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 7: the Saints offense. My first question for you guys was

683
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 7: they didn't really move Michael around a ton in this

684
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 7: last game is this a matchup where you expect him

685
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 7: to move around a little bit, for them to move

686
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 7: him around a little bit more and maybe take advantage

687
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 7: of some mismatches in certain areas.

688
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 3: Was there three spots he went to He was left, left, right, left, right,

689
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 3: and then he played inside right. Not a lot though,

690
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 3: not a lot. No, no, but I mean there were

691
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 3: times where he was inside and kneeling was outside. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,

692
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, okay, So what other spots can he

693
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 3: move to?

694
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 7: Himbacker?

695
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: Well, okay, yeah, you could play him as an a

696
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 3: gap line back. Do you need him to you don't, No, No,

697
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 3: I was just asking because I was when you say,

698
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 3: when they say move him around. I like what they

699
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,239
Speaker 3: did with him and Lawrence on the same side. I

700
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 3: like that that was the right side thing. And then

701
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 3: I like what they did with him just on the

702
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 3: naturally on the left side, which is something that you

703
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 3: know they put Tank on the right side, put him

704
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,479
Speaker 3: on the left side, and that seems like, oh wow,

705
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 3: you're a little bit better maybe defending the run over.

706
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 3: They're always worried about the Cowboys at the right end

707
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 3: and being able to defend the run. Even though Neilan

708
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 3: did a pretty good job over there. I just wonder

709
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 3: how many other spots can they move him to?

710
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 7: Well, according to both Micah and there's spots, there's more,

711
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 7: we got a lot more.

712
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, But but I agree with you.

713
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 7: I mean, I think you could you could look at

714
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 7: an a gap blitz linebacker. You maybe could look at a

715
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 7: stand up outside guy.

716
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 3: Maybe that's what I'm saying it would be. He was

717
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: he was hand down, they had tank inside him outside.

718
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 3: You can maybe put him inside, put tank outside. But

719
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 3: I was just trying to think. We saw in training

720
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 3: camp the where they had they had Kendricks playing as

721
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 3: a as really as a what the mug or right

722
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 3: at the line of scrimmage right there in the A gap.

723
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 3: They had Mike in the other A gap, but they

724
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 3: had him at depth and maybe they even played him

725
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 3: a little bit where they shaded him behind Kendricks. And

726
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden he was shown like he

727
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 3: was a gap guy and he ended up in the

728
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 3: C gap on the outside and he came in and

729
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 3: then he picked him up. It's like they they lost

730
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 3: him in like the snap. He walks up and then

731
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 3: just ran around and then the line was trying to

732
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 3: deal with the blitz, they all middle and they all

733
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 3: they just squeeze and now what happens. It gets him

734
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 3: around the corner. And then Dak was like a damn,

735
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 3: you know, like, Okay, I thought I had you accounted for,

736
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 3: but he was he was in a stack position. I

737
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 3: guess that's something that we could see, you know, or

738
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: they can mug him with Kendricks.

739
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 7: At right there.

740
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I just was curious to like, how many

741
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 3: other places could they They play him in safety? Hey,

742
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 3: what are there? What are there? Really? What are the sacks?

743
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 3: They got? The Kendrick sack was him playing? They had

744
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 3: him like and then they dropped him a tank and

745
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 3: they brought Lewis on the blitz. So I yeah, maybe

746
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 3: they could play, but I think he's going to always

747
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 3: be outside inside stack guy, maybe detached guy. You know.

748
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 3: They it's it's a nice thing. Oh yeah, We've got

749
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 3: a lot of other places we can make Mikick. Can

750
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 3: you rush him from like the bench? You know.

751
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 9: I love that they have the ability and they're in

752
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 9: a position to actually allow him to do those kinds

753
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 9: of things, because I think that him being able to

754
00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 9: play at different positions allows him to be more explosive,

755
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 9: like it just fits his type of personality. I think

756
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 9: it allows him because and I remember at some point

757
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 9: one of the shows with Derek, he brought like, you know,

758
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 9: the type of personality that he is, and all you

759
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 9: have to look at is the type of things that

760
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 9: he does during the off season, wrestling, basketball, this and that.

761
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 9: So it keeps him, I think, more into the game

762
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 9: and it prevents him to remember was it last year

763
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 9: maybe or two years ago maybe I don't remember when

764
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 9: we were talking about how his worst enemy can be

765
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 9: his mental self where he can get to in his head,

766
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 9: he can get frustrated, and I think this scheming him

767
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 9: in that way is just it fits him perfect and

768
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 9: I think it just keeps him more fresh and it

769
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 9: puts him in a better position overall to keep trying.

770
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 9: And after that game where he was like, yes he

771
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 9: was happy with everybody but him wanting to have more

772
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 9: sex and things like that, I can see this being

773
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 9: an opportunity for him to exploit that and actually get

774
00:37:59,160 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 9: to the quarterback.

775
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

776
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 3: I ran into Isaiah standback on the way when he

777
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 3: was coming out. I was coming in and he they

778
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: did an interview with the interview yesterday. Yeah, and he

779
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 3: was talking about Yeah, in the NFL network and he

780
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 3: was talking about, uh, that that Mike Zimmer gives him

781
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 3: freedom for some of the call stuff, like when they

782
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 3: feel like that Mike has it kind of built in.

783
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 3: I'd be interested to ask Zim. I'm like, hey, man,

784
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 3: we bluffing here. Is you really giving him freedom? I'm

785
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 3: sure because the talent of the player. He's saying, Okay, listen,

786
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 3: I'm going to call this. But if you, if you,

787
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 3: if you're going to adjust it. This is what we're

788
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 3: going to have to do. This is maybe why they're

789
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 3: spending a lot of time together. Mike's explained, and listen,

790
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 3: when I make this call, this is what I need

791
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 3: from you. But if you feel like you can get

792
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 3: home standing up in the A gap or playing in

793
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 3: the playing the C gap, wherever you feel like, because

794
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 3: if you do, if you do play that, now Mike's

795
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 3: got to adjust for everybody else. We always talk about track.

796
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 3: Remember the story about oh, hey, is Dig's going to travel? Yeah,

797
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 3: Diggs is going to travel. But what happens when you travel,

798
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 3: everybody else has to change up what they're doing. If

799
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 3: you play things the same, if you play it, it's

800
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 3: pretty standard. Everybody's fine travel a guy. Now, safety has

801
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: to do this, other corner has to do this, linebacker

802
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 3: has to do this. You just got to make sure.

803
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 3: And I think that's where Micah and you mentioned the

804
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 3: challenge that Micah has the buy in with Zim. If

805
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 3: Zim is going to allow him to have that kind

806
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 3: of autonomy to do what he needs to do, then

807
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 3: he needs.

808
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 9: I think they have the perfect relationship. They have such

809
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 9: a good reaon they do. Yeah, yeah, right, so far,

810
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 9: so good. But I think it's it's just the level

811
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 9: of respect and I think Trusty comes into hand, Uh

812
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 9: into play as well, and I think everybody else what

813
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 9: everybody else is doing around him, that everyone knows their job. Nobody.

814
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 9: It's not getting confusing. Everyone knows exactly what they're doing

815
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 9: and how to adjust this. All these younger players being

816
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 9: in there, they're staying up to date on whatever is

817
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 9: going on. So I got to give credit to a

818
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 9: lot of other those young guys. They're just keeping up

819
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 9: with everything.

820
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 3: I think that the addition of Kendricks really is helping

821
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 3: this defense in a week one. I'm just gonna say

822
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 3: that because communication being on the same page. You know,

823
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 3: you look at over shown Leafel. I think with the snaps,

824
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 3: she got smart guy. You don't really worry about him Clark.

825
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 3: When Clark played, the best thing that happened to Clark

826
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: was that that number fifty showed up because number fifty

827
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 3: could say, all right, man, get ready here, oh formation beer,

828
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 3: you know, and now Clark can go be a football player.

829
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 3: Clark doesn't have to think, oh my gosh, what's happening

830
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 3: from me right now? He could go be a football player.

831
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: So Zimmer, Parsons could be whatever they want to do.

832
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 3: The guy that kind of keeps everything together, I think

833
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 3: is Kendricks. That kind of has and then you got smart.

834
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 3: We were talking about Lewis playing in the slot. You know,

835
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 3: Lewis knows what he has to do. That's a difficult

836
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 3: job he has. He's kind of on an island by

837
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: himself playing out there. So you know, if you got

838
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 3: smart guys. We talked about it when Zimber got hired.

839
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 3: Zimmer's going to play smart guys. Zimmer, if you're not

840
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 3: doing the right things, you're making mistakes. You'll be standing

841
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 3: over by us over there on the sidelines.

842
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 7: All right, give me a give me a scatter report

843
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,959
Speaker 7: on what you saw from Ozzie Smith in this game.

844
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 3: In this last game, I thought Mozzie Smith was a

845
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 3: positive player. I didn't think he was a Negative's times

846
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 3: where Mozzie Smith is a negative player. He's a negative

847
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 3: and negative in a way that he hurts your defense.

848
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 3: Mazzie didn't hurt your defense in this game. I think

849
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 3: he got twenty snaps in this game. The positive snaps,

850
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 3: the ability to stay square. We always talk about that

851
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: with defensive linemen. If you see the five in the eight,

852
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 3: if Mazzi from the TV copy, he's having a bad

853
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 3: day because if you see his number, that means he's

854
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 3: getting turned. He's usually getting washed. I thought he played

855
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 3: with power. I thought in the early snaps he played

856
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 3: with some quickness. I thought he got off the ball. Well.

857
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 3: There was a couple of times where you reverted back

858
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 3: to you watch the tape pan on the ground, everybody's moving, Mazi,

859
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 3: gotta move, move Mazzi. You know so, But he wasn't.

860
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 3: It wasn't twenty negative plays or where all of a

861
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 3: sudden you're watching him play. He played twenty plays because

862
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 3: he was playing well. You know, he was playing well,

863
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 3: and and now we're it's I feel sad to say that.

864
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 3: You know, the numbers didn't show that, but if you

865
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 3: watch how the technique of how he played, and he

866
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 3: they asked him what they asked him to do much

867
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 3: better at that.

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Speaker 9: I thought he he played okay, but something that I

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Speaker 9: was very curious to see heading into week one, given

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Speaker 9: everything that we saw during training camp, and helped me

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Speaker 9: out with the coach's name, I can never pronounce his name.

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Speaker 3: I bow Jeff su Gina.

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Speaker 7: I just call them the defensive line cups coach.

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Speaker 9: If you know how that guy is, We've talked about

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Speaker 9: it NonStop.

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Speaker 3: I had to leave the premises.

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Speaker 9: It was one of those questions that either either you're like,

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Speaker 9: you know what, I'm done with this, like quit talking

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Speaker 9: to me like that, Derek, okay, you know, I walk out,

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Speaker 9: or we're going to have a fight over here. But

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Speaker 9: it wasn't like so. I was just very curious to

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Speaker 9: see how he would handle that mental part of it,

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Speaker 9: because it can either make you or break you. And

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Speaker 9: sometimes getting somebody yelling at you constantly, it gets into

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Speaker 9: your head. And I think he handled the game much

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Speaker 9: better than I expected, giving what he had to go

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Speaker 9: through all through a training camp.

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Speaker 3: It was there were times where training camp is rough

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Speaker 3: for him. Absolutely, And like I said, I was watching

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Speaker 3: from the platform and I had to walk away because

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Speaker 3: I felt like that, like I don't want to watch

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Speaker 3: this anymore, you know, I mean, I feel I felt

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Speaker 3: for the point of you know, they worked hard. I mean,

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Speaker 3: and Mazie he could have broke, he could have broke.

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Speaker 3: I think when he looks at this tape, he's going

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Speaker 3: to see himself in a better light. Is it what

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Speaker 3: you need right now? Yeah? In a rotation with guys, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you can win. Be a positive player. Don't be a

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Speaker 3: negative player. Don't be a liability when they when you

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Speaker 3: play twenty snaps fifteen of them, be a positive play.

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Speaker 3: Make them count. All right, that's a wrap.

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Speaker 7: We will be back tomorrow. We'll start talking Cowboys offense

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Speaker 7: versus Saints defense. Till then for Brian brod A, SAMBERGARSI

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Speaker 7: IM Derek Heiglton.

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