1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: The volume. Welcome to the best of the Colin Coward Podcast. 2 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 1: Some great guests this week. We're giving you all the highlights. 3 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: But first my takes of the week that was listen. 4 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: Words matter. Every weekend, I get up, I run what 5 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: they call honey due. Now that's a lot friendlier term 6 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: than errands for my wife. Honey do this, honey do that. 7 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: They're called honeydus. So I'll go for a morning jog, 8 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: a morning lift, and that I know from maybe nine 9 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: to eleven, I do honeydus. Words matter. It's softer. It 10 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: makes me want to help my wife. If she said 11 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: go run some errands wouldn't feel the same way. Why 12 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: do I bring this up? Words matter? Some people are 13 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: calling the new system for college athletes payment for the athletes. 14 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: I would call it compensation. That's the right word. Marion 15 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: Webster's definition of compensation is to make an appropriate and 16 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: usually counterbalancing payment. Two. So let's be honest about this. 17 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: Appropriate compensation for ninety five percent of all college athletes 18 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: across all sports, football to lacrosse to table tennis is 19 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: a scholarship, room and board, travel marketing feels pretty appropriate. 20 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: Then there's the five percent the star, gymnast who makes 21 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: the Olympics, the soccer goalie who makes the World Cup, 22 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: the NBA star, and they keep mentioning he went to 23 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: Duke or Kansas, or the football star from Alabama or 24 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: Ohio State. All that free publicity is great for the 25 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: schools and forever everything was under the table. Spencer Rattler, Oklahoma. 26 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: Do you know how much publicity he gives Oklahoma? Now 27 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: you could say, well, Oklahoma's always good. No, John Blake 28 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: once coached them, they went into the tank and networks 29 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: took him off TV. The reality is for any star athlete, 30 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: male or female in college sports, they give enormous amounts 31 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: of free publicity to universities, and it's time for not 32 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 1: a payment, but a reasonable compensation. We're all going to 33 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: be okay now, it's not going to change the landscape. 34 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: Years and years ago, college football was worried that the 35 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 1: same teams were dominating, and so back then, an individual 36 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: school a USC in Oklahoma could have one hundred and 37 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: twenty players on scholarship, and what big college football programs 38 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: would do is they would just sign players to keep 39 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: them away from rivals. So they reduced it to eighty 40 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: five scholarships. Now, think about that, thirty five fewer players 41 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: on scholarship. We've never had greater imbalance in college football. 42 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: Why great players want to go to great programs and 43 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: great coaches. So I think with name, image likeness, a 44 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: lot of the small school people or the non traditional 45 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: powers think it's an opening. It's really not. Players still 46 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: want to go play in sold out stadiums in the 47 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: biggest conferences with the coaches that get them drafted in 48 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: the first or second round. In ten years, you're going 49 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: to see two or three SEC powers Oklahoma, Texas, USC 50 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: and Oregon out West. You know, somebody a Miami of 51 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: Florida State, Clemson in the ACC in, Ohio State, Michigan, 52 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: Penn State, Wisconsin will still be rolling. It's not really 53 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: going to change anything, like the College Football Playoff is 54 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: not really going to change anything. It will get a 55 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: few more eyes on programs that otherwise wouldn't get it. 56 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: But college football has been trying for fifty years to 57 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: make it a more even playing field, and Alabama Ohio 58 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: State still dominate. Dear Colin, I want you to know 59 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: you're the world's greatest sports opinion is it is awfully kind, 60 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: But who are the people you turn on when you 61 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: hear a sports opinion. You know I'll be honest with you. 62 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: I don't listen for sports opinion. I've got my own 63 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: takes I always have. I listen for format teasing, your 64 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: guest list, your advertisers. Can I steal one? In my business, 65 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: opinions are not something I'm ever shored of. But I 66 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: do look at my competition to see who's getting booked, 67 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: what are the topics, who are the advertisers. It's a combative, 68 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: competitive world. I'm here for it. The truth is when 69 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: it comes to content, if I want politics, I tend 70 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: to go Bill Maher. He makes me laugh. If I 71 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: want sports, there's a handful of columnists. I trust Bob 72 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 1: Kravitz Indianapolis. If there's a colt tissue, he and Greg 73 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: Doyle usually come out with a smart answer. I just 74 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: go to cities. Often rely on veteran newspaper guys. They've 75 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: been around, they're well connected, they're smartly sourced. That's who 76 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 1: I rely on for information. I don't really rely on 77 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: anybody for a take. There are stories that continue to surface. 78 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: Two the other Day, won by Jeremy Fowler at ESPN 79 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 1: that Denver is still very very interested in Aaron Rodgers 80 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: and continues to contact the packers. You know, on a 81 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: broader scale, something really interesting has been happening here. So 82 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers told reporters not long ago he liked the 83 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: opportunity to sort of have the off season to himself. 84 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: He's a packer still, but it's his offseason, and there 85 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: is this sort of weird stigma like whoa wait a minute, 86 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: hold on, you're not at OTA's and mini camps. But 87 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: one of the things we've learned during the pandemic is 88 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: the workplace has changed. We're seeing a major shift in 89 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: the way employees and their employers relate to each other. 90 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: You know, for decades, it's been the employers who set 91 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: the guidelines for the way you and I work, right, 92 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: we fit into their system designed by the employeer. But 93 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: these systems, they were mostly cookie cutter, one size fits 94 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: all approaches that didn't really account for different working styles, 95 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: different personal responsibilities, people may have different mental states they 96 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: may have been in, and different needs for the employee. 97 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: And when the lockdown happened and people started working from home, 98 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: employees got a chance to say, wait a minute, I'm 99 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: just as productive. I don't have to drive to work, 100 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: pay for parking, the stress and anxiety of commuting. Why 101 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: am I letting my employer dictate everything? My job now 102 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: fits very nicely into my lifestyle, and suddenly employers, for 103 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: the first time in a long time, oh wait, we 104 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: don't have all the leverage and control. So in sports, 105 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: the NFL was sort of the vanguard of the you 106 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: fit into our style or mentality. Well, now we finally 107 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: see quarterbacks with leverage saying you know, I kind of 108 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: like to do things my way. Brady leaves Belichick, Russell 109 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: Wilson makes Pete Carroll lighting up, Matthew Stafford pushes for 110 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: a trade, Aaron telling the packers, I think I'll show 111 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: up in a month. This is what's happening around America 112 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: where the pandemic. Let all of us get off the 113 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: treadmill and go, wow, there's another way to do this. 114 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: The NFL and pro leagues no longer have to dictate 115 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: all terms, just like your employers don't have to dictate 116 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: all terms. So though I can be critical of Aaron Rodgers, 117 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: he is now doing what's commonplace for stars. I don't 118 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: need to go to all these mini camps I don't 119 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: need to sit around in the offseason memorizing the playbook. 120 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: I am the playbook. I am the star. I've got 121 00:07:56,040 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: needs too. So this is not just me saddling up 122 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: up to everything pro Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson or Brady. 123 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: But we have a new way to do things in America. 124 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: And the pandemic opened a lot of eyes, even in 125 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: the National Football League. All Right, he's my guy, Mark Sanchez, 126 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: USC quarterback two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, 127 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, first round pick of the Jets, 128 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: great broadcaster, and I like talking to Mark about stuff, 129 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: and I really thought of you this week with name, image, likeness, 130 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: and you know, so I've had enough friends that do 131 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: what you do. They're pie end college athletes. And I'm 132 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: not a moralist. You listen to me on the air, 133 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: you know, I was pro smoking pot twenty years ago. 134 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: I don't care. I really don't. And I was always 135 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: understood to me Mark that like, listen, if you're Mark Sanchez, 136 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: you're a star at Texas, You're gonna get a hundred 137 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: dollar handshakes. Nobody really cares is And I look at 138 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: it now and I'm like it's almost absurd. I mean, 139 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: I think about this. There was a point in America 140 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: not long ago, in nineteen eighty nine you could smoke 141 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: on airplanes. It wasn't long ago. Gay marriage was outlawed. 142 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: What right? And literally an hour ago you couldn't pay 143 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: a player like Reggie Bush, Mark Sanchez or Matt Leinart. 144 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: And I look at it and I think it's almost embarrassing. 145 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: Did you ever resent it when you were at USC? See? 146 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: That's I mean, you make some incredible points and I 147 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: think you have a good perspective on this, But it 148 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: didn't even cross my mind. And I feel like such 149 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: a dumbass now right, Like like I saw him selling 150 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: the jerseys. I saw him like, you know how much 151 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: money goes into those rose ball ads? You know how 152 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: much money the team gets, like, and I just thought, like, dude, 153 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: I'm here to ball. I gotta get my degree and 154 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: I want to go play in the NFL. And I 155 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: love USC and we get a lot of cool gear. 156 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: They're paying for my food, they're paying for my school. Sweet. 157 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: But I also came from you know, my dad was 158 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: a firefighter. He made decent money as a fire captain 159 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: for a while, so we weren't. I wasn't in a 160 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: lot of economic struggle. I wasn't rich, but I wasn't poor, 161 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: and I never had to send I never got a 162 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: pell grant like raymout Luga like other guys on our team, 163 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: and send that money home like these dudes were. These 164 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: dudes were budgeting before I even knew what a budget was, 165 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: right right, Like I have to budget. Okay, am I 166 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: putting gas in my car? Or am I getting groceries? 167 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: Because do I want to drive guys to the airport 168 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: when they go home, or do I want to go 169 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: back home to Orange County? Or do I want food 170 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: for the week like when we're off school, when we're 171 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: spring break or whatever. But like these guys are like, okay, 172 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: I gotta send five hundred bucks home, another two hundred 173 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: bucks to my cousin. All right, I got another couple 174 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: hundred bucks after rent, like and they were really doing 175 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: that in school. And if you think about it now, 176 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: I mean, these guys can go to the Boosters golf 177 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: club because you know, these Boosters are pumping money in 178 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,599 Speaker 1: the program. Now they're gonna be able to guarantee recruits. 179 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: Like you know, we got ten speaking engagements for you. 180 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: You can probably make one hundred and fifty thousand dollars 181 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: and show up at the golf clubs, show up at 182 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: the restaurant, show up at whatever, do the chalk talk with. 183 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 1: I don't name your sponsor, USC name your sponsor Texas, Alabama, Ohio, State, Florida. 184 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a no brainer. The other thing that 185 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: I thought was silly with all this is that the 186 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: Okay football pays for most everything. Right, I've heard you 187 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: say that. I know that for a fact. That's not 188 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: like a football is better thing. That's just that's just 189 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: a fact. But the soccer players and swimmers that like 190 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: go win gold medals and stuff and can't do a 191 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 1: summer camp and advertise about it on Instagram and make 192 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: fifty bucks ahead and get you know, one hundred kids 193 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: at their camp, that's crazy. That's crazy to me. So 194 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 1: the fact that they can do it now, I mean, 195 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: God bless them. That's awesome. And I left a lot 196 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: of money on the table, Like, yes, I didn't even 197 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: think about it. Well, it's funny because you there's three 198 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 1: college athletes in my life, Vinch Young, Reggie Bush and 199 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: Tebow where there was just something. These are big brand program. 200 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: I mean, Johnny Manziel's great, but Texas A and M 201 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: isn't a blip on the screen compared to USC in Texas. 202 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: So when Reggie Bush was at his height, you were 203 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: like a red shirt you were you were like like 204 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: a red shirt, red shirt freshman. Tell people how big 205 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: Reggie was just just a sense because I don't think 206 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: the rest of the country. We had no NFL in 207 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. No, yeah, it was. I mean he couldn't 208 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: go anywhere. It couldn't go anywhere. It was like Elvis 209 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: or something. I've never seen anything like it. And I 210 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: mean people were making money selling shirts that said Bush 211 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: Liner for President because that was the here that it 212 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: was Bush and whoever Cheney or whatever. And I mean 213 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: Reggie got no part of that, Like had no We 214 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: all had the shirts. We all thought they were cool. 215 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: We all bought him for fifteen bucks and ten bucks 216 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: like they were cool. But I mean, the guy could 217 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: have just exploded. Especially in LA. It was USC football. 218 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 1: There's the Lakers, King's, Dodgers, whatever. But USC football was 219 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: a big deal, especially with Pete Carroll and the way 220 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: he had celebrities in their snoop dogs at practice. Well, 221 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: Ferrell's on the sidelines away NBA teams. I remember Carmelo 222 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: Anthony was playing for the Nuggets. They come into town 223 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: and play the Lakers. He's at our game on the 224 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: sideline just to come check it out, just because like 225 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: that's the place to be. Usc is the place to be. So, 226 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: I mean, Reggie would have just ranked in some serious money. 227 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: And this is before social media. This is before like 228 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: Facebook was barely starting. Twitter, Nope, Instagram not even close, TikTok, 229 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: none of that. I mean, you look at these two 230 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: galls from Fresno State. I mean, they're doing a full 231 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: media tour in New York. It's awesome. They got their 232 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 1: thing in Times Square, and you know they do these 233 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: dances on TikTok. I mean they're gonna they're probably gonna 234 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: make a one hundred thousand bucks and split it between them. 235 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: That's awesome. Like, I mean, it's just I read something 236 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: about Derek King too. I mean, he's doing a bunch 237 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: of stuff with like three main companies. He said he 238 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: said he wants to sign like a group deal with 239 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: all of his old linemen and then they split all 240 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: the proceeds. Boom, you get everybody to go and talk 241 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: to it that you could set that up so easily now, 242 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: but Reggie would have been, I mean, just incredible. 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I mean consider 276 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: the state of USC, consider the state of Texas. What 277 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: would be your top five today? And I want you 278 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: to consider I want you to consider name image likeness too. Yeah, 279 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: so name image and likeness is a huge recruiting tool 280 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: for USC and hopefully they can that can kind of 281 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: prop them up a little bit because there's so much 282 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: available in La, But you gotta go with the big ones. 283 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: It's Texas, it's Alabama, it's Clemson, it's Ohio State. Those 284 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: would definitely be some visits for me. Maybe Notre Dame. 285 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: I tripped to Notre Dame in Ohio State when I 286 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: was in high school, trip to Texas, and I mean, 287 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: those those schools are the top ones. But I looked 288 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: at who's putting out quarterbacks and they happened to be 289 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: doing it an hour away from my house, right at 290 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: USC with Pete Carroll, Normschow, with Steve Sarkis and Lane Kivin, 291 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: So it was right there. Plus the other big factor 292 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: for me coming out was where am I going to 293 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: be for the rest of my life? Like if I 294 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: go get my degree in Baton Rouge, like, am I 295 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: gonna settle down there? Am I gonna live in Columbus, 296 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: Ohio for the rest of my life? I don't know, 297 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: but I could see myself at least coming home. So 298 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: if I can stay home and go to a great 299 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: university near home and that's where I want to live forever, 300 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: that might not be a bad gig. So it's a 301 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: little different coming out of California. But if I'm eighteen 302 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: years old. I mean, USC hasn't been great for a while, 303 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: so I would have been real little when even when 304 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: I was in the Rose Bowl, when you know I 305 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,479 Speaker 1: would have seen them. I don't know, maybe a ten 306 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: years old watched Sam Donald win the Rose Bowl. So 307 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: it's like they weren't like on the map, like you know, 308 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated cover Matt Winer catching the reverse pass against Michigan, 309 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,479 Speaker 1: Carson Palmer first pick overall, holding his Bengals jersey, like 310 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have had that influence for these kids in 311 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: Orange County. Now, that's why the djelais and h who's 312 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,239 Speaker 1: the kid from Ala? Yes, Bryce Young, thank you from 313 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: otter day. I mean the fact that both of those 314 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 1: guys left the state, that's I mean. Ed Osron said this. 315 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: I went to go visit them two years ago, right 316 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: before they go bananas and on their big run with 317 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow and all that. I went to a team 318 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 1: meeting and ed Osron recruited the heck out of me 319 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: from USC or to USC and then he ended up 320 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: leaving right when I was getting there. But we remained close, 321 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 1: we remained cool. He let me walk in. The first 322 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: thing he did was put my arm, put his arm 323 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: around me, and he walked me in his office at 324 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: LSU and he handed me some thirty pound dumbells and 325 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: he's got this baca waits in his office and he said, hey, 326 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: get a little let's get a little onworking. Come on, 327 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: come on now, hey, don't forget the sholders. Now, don't 328 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: forget those sholdiers. And I'm like, oh my god, he said, hey, 329 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: how you deady dois? He's still fighting in flies out 330 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: demy toasts on bitch now. It was just wearing me out. 331 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: It's like, it's like we literally hung up the recruiting 332 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: phone call, and then I showed up in his office, 333 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: you know, fifteen years later and nothing changed, and it 334 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: was awesome. But he and I look back on when 335 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 1: SC was USC and he was just like, man, I mean, 336 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:43,479 Speaker 1: we used to see other coaches show up in southern 337 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: California to recruit players at high schools. Okay, He's like, 338 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: this was when the SEC interlock on our polo held 339 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: a lot away. Okay. We would see other coaches show 340 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: up at high schools and we would look at them 341 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: and be like, are you guys on vacation? What are 342 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: you doing? Like why are you here. You don't even 343 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: belong here. Look at this, Look at this scn or locket. 344 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: Get out of here. Enjoy your time at the montage. Okay, 345 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: like sea it was. That was the way it was. 346 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: It was a big deal. So that's the best Orgeron, 347 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: I'm most seriously, I've heard twenty of them. That is 348 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: the best one, easily. Here's the other thing. I didn't 349 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: realize that they don't like you doing that impersonation. At 350 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: least I don't know if it's coach os On personally 351 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: or the school or it's like, you know, this like 352 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: Cajun kind of thing or whatever. But I spoke to 353 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: the team. He liked out of nowhere, says, I got 354 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: a quarterback here that I know very well played in 355 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: the NFL. Blah blah blah. He wants to talk to 356 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: the team, and I was like, I don't want to 357 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: talk to the team. I wanted to come watch the team. 358 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: I was in here to talk to the team, and 359 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: he said, no, come on up, you know, And so 360 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: I did Coacho's impression in front of the team, and 361 00:20:54,119 --> 00:21:00,479 Speaker 1: these guys were like, nobody does that. Bro Soon kind 362 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: of said that after, like, oh yeah, you know, it's 363 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: not really like that cool outside. Oops. He's like, you're 364 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: pretty good though, Oh my god, oh man, all right, 365 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: all right, let's bring him my buddy nick. Right. We 366 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: only get him once twice a month. We love it 367 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: every time we get him, Phoenix. I said this the 368 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: other day. They're the Buccaneers, good young players, all peaking. 369 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 1: They've developed him, they just didn't have a guy to 370 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: send it all together. So you bring a Hall of 371 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: famer past his prime who's sort of known as more 372 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: leader than great athlete, Chris Paul Brady, and a year 373 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: later you're like, oh wow, this is the best team. 374 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: Perhaps easily. Maybe there's the Chiefs, maybe Buffalo, and in 375 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: the NBA if A d and Lebron are healthy, maybe, 376 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: but I do think there's the equivalent team here is 377 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: that and it's a great It's a cautionary tale on 378 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,199 Speaker 1: be patient, draft well, develop, and then you don't have 379 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: to add a lot of pieces to make it work. 380 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you had Ricky Rubio out Chris Paul in. 381 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: It's a completely different franchise completely. Jamis Winston is good 382 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: enough to start for a lot of teams. He's out, 383 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: Brady's in. It looks like a completely different franchise, So 384 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: there are similarities here that I think. This is where 385 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,239 Speaker 1: I say Chris Paul, Chris Paul screws up a lot 386 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: of arguments and a lot of stats. They shouldn't be 387 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: this good, right, So that so that I agree with. 388 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: I think it's a really great comp And it took 389 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: your less than five minutes to bring up the Super Bowl, 390 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: so your streak remains intact of torturing me with the 391 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: with the Bucks Chief super Bowl, So congrats to you 392 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: on that. But the last point to me is the 393 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: most relevant one, which is the stats. And you know 394 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: when you when I first started coming on your show 395 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: five years ago, you know, I was kind of the 396 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: stat guy, like I'd bring up these like Lebron numbers 397 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: or numbers people I hadn't heard, and try to tell 398 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: the story through the numbers. I understand the numbers. I 399 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: respect the numbers. I appreciate the numbers, and I think 400 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: they're useful in formulating arguments and opinions. But NBA evaluation, 401 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: not just in the media by the way, by some 402 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: front offices, has become so exclusively about the numbers that 403 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: I think sometimes you miss the brilliance of an individual 404 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: player and the things that he does. And Chris Paul 405 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: is the perfect example of this. And Colin, you've heard 406 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: me use this comp before, but I'm going to use 407 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: it again because it's the perfect one and it's instructive. 408 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: So let's think about Isaiah Thomas, the original Isaiah Thomas. 409 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 1: To win championships in the nineteen eighties in his own conference, 410 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: he had to go through the Celtics, who had four 411 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame ers at one point five Hall of famers. 412 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: You had to go through the Bulls who had Jordan 413 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: for the almost entirety of the eighties, the entirety of 414 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: the when the Pistons were great, and then they did 415 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: have Pippin three years after Jordan got there. And so 416 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: you have one of the two greatest players ever, plus 417 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: Scotty who's one of the forty greatest players ever, and 418 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: of course they bring in Phil Jackson. And then if 419 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: you get to the finals, you're probably going to have 420 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: to go through the Lakers, who are they have Magic 421 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: and Kareem and Worthy, Isaiah Thomas, Mars who's a good player, 422 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: Adrian Danley for part of the run, Mark Aguire for 423 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: part of the run, and Dennis Rodman. Again, all really great, 424 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: good players, But who's the best of that group? Probably Rodman, 425 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: who is a specialist, a great defender and a great rebounder, 426 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: but can't score to save his life. So how did 427 00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: those Pistons win two titles? And arguably we're an Isaiah 428 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: Thomas sprain ankle or just a bad call in Game 429 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: six against Kareem away from winning three in a row? 430 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: How did he have a winning record in the playoffs 431 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: against Bird, a winning record in the playoffs against Jordan 432 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: and break even with Magic? How? Oh, well, he must 433 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: have been one of the greatest players ever. We'll go 434 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: look at his numbers. It's like seventeen points a game. 435 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: So how does it compute? Because he understands what Chris 436 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: Paul understands, which is it is my job to get 437 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: the most out of this team, which means I need 438 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: to understand what makes DeAndre Ayton tick? I need to 439 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: will What do I need to do for DeAndre Ayton 440 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: to make him the best rim protector he can be? 441 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 1: What do I need to do for Devin Booker to 442 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: make him fully engaged for forty minutes that he's on 443 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: the court. What do I need to do campaign to 444 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: convince him, Dude, for ten minutes a night, you can 445 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 1: be me, you can be better and press all those buttons. 446 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: And when I've talked to Isaiah, Isaiah and he was 447 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: right because and I know I'm going on and on, 448 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: but I think it's worth it. Because Isaiah saw that 449 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: I had referenced when I was initially doing my all 450 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 1: time NBA list that he was lower than he thought 451 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 1: he should be. And I was like, man, I was like, 452 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: it's tough. Like I appreciate you as a player. I 453 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: was like, but you know, never won an MVP. The 454 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: numbers are what the numbers are. And he said, Nick, 455 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: you think I couldn't score thirty five whenever I wanted to. 456 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: He goes, That's not what our team needed to win. 457 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: That is not And and he told me, he goes, 458 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 1: look look at the playoff games when I knew we 459 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: needed me to score. He goes, I did, I always could, 460 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: but it wasn't the best way for us to win. 461 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: And when you see Chris Paul, who has scored more 462 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: than thirty two points three times in the last three 463 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: regular seasons, last three years, he's done it three times, 464 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: but he did it to close out the Nuggets, and 465 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: then he did it to close out the Clippers, and 466 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: then he did it in his first NBA Finals game ever. 467 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: And he's also a guy who's gonna end his career 468 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: with no MVPs and with good but not overwhelming counting stats. 469 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 1: It's like, Oh, he just understood what it took for 470 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: his team to win and sacrificed on his own and 471 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: by the way, it did it shorter than you. I mean, 472 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: he's I've stood next to Chris Paul, I stood next 473 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: Isaiah Thomas. They are both a fraction shorter than I am. 474 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: I'm barely six ft tall. To do that, it's just remarkable. 475 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: And to me, they are the same, not the same guy, 476 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: but very similar guys in different eras. And almost the 477 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 1: last of the true true point guard is what we 478 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 1: have in CP three. He's the COO of the Action Network, 479 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: Chad Millman. So I just talked to Nick right, he's 480 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 1: playing phil hell Youth. I do not play poker a 481 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: little blackjack. You apparently have a story that you have 482 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: thrown money and caution to the wind. What is your 483 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: gambling story? So well, many many stories, as you know, 484 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: I'm you know, very involved in the gambling space. But 485 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: many many years ago, when I was at ESPN, you 486 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: were there at the same time. It was like twenty ten, 487 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: I think, because I was deep in the gambling space 488 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: and I had written the book The Odds, and so 489 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: I knew people in Vegas really well, and I had 490 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: then when we were at ESPN started the gambling bet right. 491 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: I was doing a podcast about it. I was, you know, 492 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: doing radio shows with you, and I was writing a 493 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: column about it every day. Included in that it was 494 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: mostly sports betting, but I also started to cover a 495 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: lot of poker, and so I became known as the 496 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: guy who was covering poker as a story, news, breaking, 497 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: moment event form for ESPN. So one day I'm sitting 498 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: at my desk in New York City at thirty four 499 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: Street at ESPN the magazine, and get get a call 500 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: from a guy who represents Phil Ivy, who is by 501 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: far one of the greatest poker players who's ever lived. 502 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: In twenty ten, he was in the middle of this 503 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: run where he was winning World Series, break bracelets and 504 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: tons of cash games, you know, gambling with Jay Z, 505 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: gambling with Tiger Woods, gambling with Michael Jordan. So there 506 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: they say to me. Look, Phil never does anything, and 507 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: he does, and he's very reclusive. He's going on and 508 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: around the world gambling tour on his private jet for 509 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: seventy two hours. That is going to start in Connecticut 510 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: and it's going to end in Austria, where at the 511 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: time he was working with Full Till Poker. You know, 512 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: online poker was becoming huge at the time, and so 513 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: he was going to be in a tournament for Full 514 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: Till Poker in Austria. They're like, do you want to go? 515 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I'm I'm gonna go. So I call 516 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,239 Speaker 1: up our buddies at East sixty. They send me a 517 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: camera crew. I'm going there. I'm doing a story for 518 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: E sixty. I'm doing a story in the magazine. I 519 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: meet Phil in Connecticut. We get into the casino in 520 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: Connecticut and he goes to a private room, a private 521 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: cage where they keep all the money. He withdraws two 522 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars, plays craps at a private table just 523 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: him for about thirty five minutes, wins one hundred and 524 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: fifty grand. We go have a steak dinner, me, Phil, 525 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: his buddies. We get on a plane. We fly to Montreal, 526 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: Land in Montreal, sleep at the hotel, get picked up 527 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: in a limo, go to a new hotel, a new casino, 528 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: another private room, massive room, another private crabs table, with 529 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: his own croupier. And he withdraws a million dollars and 530 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: he is playing craps. He's got dice, he's got chips 531 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: all over the table, he's throwing dice everywhere. And when 532 00:30:55,080 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: you're playing craps on a casino floor, everything happens in hyperspeed. Right. 533 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: It's so noisy, it's so loud. It's the most fun 534 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: experience in the world. When you're playing craps in a 535 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: private room with a private croupier and your own private table. 536 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: You're not doing it for fun. You're doing it because 537 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: you need the rush of gambling. It is a quiet, intense, 538 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: joyous experience. And at one point fills up about seven 539 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty grand and out of the million that 540 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: he withdrew, And he looks at me and he goes, 541 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: you want to roll. I'm like, okay, So I start rolling, 542 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: and I don't crep out, but I don't cash him anything. 543 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: So I don't roll twice on any particular number. So 544 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: at one point I've rolled so many times, he's got 545 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: every number covered. The next roll is either going to 546 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: be I'm crapping out or he's making a boatload of money. 547 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: I roll the dice, I crap out. I cost him 548 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars that was on the table. 549 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: He looks at me. He looks at me, and he 550 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: goes dude. And remember, he is an incredibly intimidating guy. 551 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: Like if you look at old clips at phil Ivy, 552 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: it is phil Ivy giving people stare downs and people 553 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: like starting to scratch their head because they itch so 554 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: much by sort of the laser focus of his perspiration 555 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: that begins on your for honest to God, Colin, he 556 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: is the most intimidating person I've ever interviewed in my life. 557 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: I would sit down behind, like across from him, and 558 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: like have nervous laughter because I was afraid. He's so 559 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: much smarter than everybody, and he doesn't care about like 560 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: giving you a good anecdote. He's just going to tell 561 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: you what's on his mind. And sometimes what's on his 562 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: mind is scary to hear if you're the person asking 563 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: the questions. He looks at me and he goes, dude, 564 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: you're fucking mush and that was it. Like we then 565 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,719 Speaker 1: flew from there to Amsterdam. Longest flight of my life. 566 00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: And by the way, he ended up making another one 567 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: point two million. It's not like he walked away losing 568 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: money in the day. It was incredibly intimidating, but we 569 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: had for a great story. And now Dean Carnassis named 570 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: by Time magazine as one of the hundred most influential 571 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: people in the world. He famously ran fifty marathons in 572 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: fifty states in fifty consecutive days on ten separate occasions. 573 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: He's run a two hundred mile relay race against teams 574 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: of twelve. He has raced and competed on all seven 575 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: continents twice. And I welcome in perhaps the opposite of 576 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: Joey chestnutt Dean Carnassis. So I want to start with this, 577 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: Dean a runner's high. I run three and a half 578 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: four miles at a time, so my high would be 579 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: more like a one to kigh two hundred mile high 580 00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: is different when you go to a very unique place, 581 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: you know, mile eighty eight, mile one forty, where does 582 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: it take you psychologically, emotionally? You know, you become very 583 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: in the moment when you're doing these sort of events. 584 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: They're so commanding, they so own you, that there's not 585 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: a lot of extraneous stock going through your mind. I 586 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: know a lot of people say, what do you think 587 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: about when you run for that long? At a point, 588 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 1: you don't think at all. You just respond, You're in 589 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: the here and now, in the present moment of time, 590 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: and you just try to take your next step to 591 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: the best of your ability. I can't eat eggs on 592 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 1: the day of a race. It's just my body. I 593 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: can't eat within two hours of running during a race. 594 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: I would do maybe maybe once in a thirteen mile run. Water, 595 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 1: wouldn't even do gatorade. Not interested in bananas. On a 596 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: two hundred mile race, you'd need meals. I mean, at 597 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: some point your body has to be able to handle 598 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: some level of sugar. It doesn't work for me. If 599 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: I have food in my body, it weakens me. How 600 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: big of a meal can you eat on a two 601 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: hundred mile run? Well, it's funny you should ask that question. 602 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 1: I don't think i'll ever live down the story from 603 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,879 Speaker 1: my first book, which is called Ultra marathon Man, being 604 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,359 Speaker 1: on that two hundred mile run that you refer to, 605 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 1: which indeed for others, was a twelve person relay team. 606 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: I was just doing it solo, as a team of one, 607 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 1: and I was out in the middle of nowhere in 608 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: this backcountry road. I didn't have any crew around. I 609 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: completely run out of food, but I had a credit 610 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: card on a cell phone, so I ordered a pizza 611 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 1: delivered to me. How did that work out? Well? I 612 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: told them. I told them not to slice it and 613 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: to make it with a really thin crust, and then 614 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 1: when they delivered it to me, I pulled it out 615 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: of the box and I just rolled it into this 616 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: big Italian burrito and just ate it as I ran, 617 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: and it got all over me. It was It was 618 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 1: a real mess, but it was so good. And I 619 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 1: know a lot of listeners are probably thinking, how do 620 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: you possibly eat a pizza while you're running? You have 621 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: to remember this was a two hundred mile runs. I 622 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: was running for nearly forty eight hours NonStop, and you 623 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: can only have so many energy gels and so many 624 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: power bars before you crave something more more substance. I 625 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: heard one of your interviews, and I've watched several over 626 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,800 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks that you have a slight 627 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 1: genetic advantage. And by the way, Michael Jordan was very 628 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: springy as an athlete. Lamar Jackson. You know, there's there's 629 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,240 Speaker 1: certain athletes they call them a Dean twitchy. There's certain 630 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: people that are twitchy physically. You have a little bit 631 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: of a genetic edge. And I'd love you to talk 632 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: about that, because I just heard a brief snippet of 633 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: it and I thought it was fascinating. Well, it involves 634 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: lactic acid in the production of lactic acid, and if 635 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: you're an athlete, you might be familiar with the phenomena 636 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: of say doing dumbbell curls, and after about seven or 637 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,240 Speaker 1: eight dumbell curls, you feel your muscles starting to burn 638 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 1: and the sting and to start twitching. And that's kind 639 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 1: of the accumulation of lactic acid. You know, if you 640 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 1: put down the dumbbell and you know, you shake your 641 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: arm out and you give it a minute or two, 642 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 1: you can resume doing more curls, but then eventually you'll 643 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: hit that same kind of phenomena where the burning and 644 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,439 Speaker 1: the you know, the pain sets in and you can't 645 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 1: lift any further. I seem to have an ability not 646 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: to accumulate lactic acid. So there's you know, tests they 647 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: do on treadmills, and they found that, you know, my 648 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 1: ability and we're not talking about a sprint, calling just 649 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: so you're aware. I mean, this is not a you know, 650 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: one hundred meter sprint. This is at longer durations where 651 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,240 Speaker 1: your heart rate is elevated but not above eighty percent 652 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 1: of your maximum heart rate. And they just said, you know, theoretically, 653 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: if you could take in enough calories, you could you 654 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: could run forever, which is kind of a scary thought. Yeah, 655 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: when did you talking to other runners, did you sense 656 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 1: you had a genetic edge? When did you when were 657 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 1: you illuminated on this advantage? Well, it just to be 658 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 1: clear every you know, you would have this advantage over 659 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: a lay person as well. Every runner has a better 660 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: improved ability to buffer lack the acid. So it's it's 661 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: an adaptation for everyone that every runner experiences. I just 662 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: seemed to exacerbate it a bit and it occurred to 663 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: me when I was running some races. How I just 664 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: I don't sweat that much, and also that I never cramped, 665 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,399 Speaker 1: like I don't have muscle cramps, and other people would 666 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 1: complain about muscle cramping and they'd have to stop and 667 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: kind of rub out their muscles. And this never happened 668 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 1: to me, and I thought, why don't you experience these things? 669 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 1: But part of me was very thankful because cramps look 670 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,959 Speaker 1: really painful. Right, if I don't get them, I'm glad 671 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,320 Speaker 1: I've got this little ability. Yeah, when you talked about 672 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: getting dehydrated in a race, so I've never experienced that. 673 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:24,760 Speaker 1: So take a listener, take me into this. The handful 674 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: of times you've gotten dehydrated, What is the physical like 675 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:34,320 Speaker 1: dimensions you deal with the pain for an elite athlete, 676 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: you're dehydrated, because I would have guessed once you're dehydrated, 677 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,359 Speaker 1: you can't catch up in that race. It's too late. 678 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 1: You've you've gone past a mark that there's no return. Yeah, 679 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: it's the death spiral, we call it. And you know, 680 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 1: I'll take you to a race called the Badwater Ultra Marathon, 681 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: which is one hundred and thirty five mile, NonStop a 682 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: foot race across Death Valley in the middle of summer, 683 00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: so temperatures can easily get above behind and twenty and 684 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,880 Speaker 1: sometimes above one hundred and thirty degrees. And I've been 685 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: running the Badwater ultra marathon and experienced like heat exhaustion 686 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: and gotten very nauseous, so you know, vomited and couldn't 687 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 1: keep anything in my stomach. But I just willed myself 688 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: to continue onward, and I started hallucinating very vividly. I 689 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: saw you know, dinosaurs in the distance. There were ghosts 690 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: on either side of me, running alongside me. And at 691 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: a point I was running and I saw a stick 692 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: figure between my feet. It looked like a praying mantis 693 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,399 Speaker 1: perhaps running between my feet, and I was staring down 694 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: at this you know, this thing, this bug, trying to 695 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 1: make sense of it, and it occurred to me that 696 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,360 Speaker 1: that was me that I was. I think it was 697 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 1: an out of body experience actually, where I was kind 698 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: of looking down at myself from high above as I 699 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 1: was running, and then then I then I blocked out, 700 00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: literally passed out and was driven to safety. That wraps 701 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 1: it up for the week. We're heading into another big 702 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 1: week here at The Volume. Make sure to subscribe and 703 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:15,760 Speaker 1: follow us at the Volume Sports on Twitter and Instagram. 704 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: The Volume