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Speaker 1: To avoid this boredom, I produce music. My name is Oz.

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Speaker 1: I'm a French producer of free music with a lot

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Speaker 1: Roses work. Usually I credit the artist one place here

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Speaker 1: and site the website loyalty freak music dot com, but

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Speaker 1: Rose has released over two hundred albums under the guise

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Speaker 1: of almost twenty different pseudonyms. Why so many aliases. It's weird,

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Speaker 1: Like you are at a party with friends, you are

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Speaker 1: I wanted to do a lot of stuff, many many things.

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Speaker 1: on the internet right now. But I have also Comico

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Speaker 1: and we use howeveryone wants. With such a staggering output,

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Speaker 1: Ripper to record my music, and it's like an extension

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Speaker 1: of me. I finished a track, I rendered it, and

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Speaker 1: after that I create a new project. Maybe I go

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Speaker 1: because my fingers are like a bit hurt because I've

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Speaker 1: going to do. I will finish the day with something.

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Speaker 1: In terms of when you start earning a project, do

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Speaker 1: you usually start with a a genre utility in mind?

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Speaker 1: Where do you sort of work in assignment? After the fact,

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Speaker 1: I think I'm more copy cards than anything. I tried

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Speaker 1: to copy things most of the time. If I found

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Speaker 1: something I really like, I tried to do it myself.

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Speaker 1: At some point, I was really into a male banana

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Speaker 1: Japanese artcore band, and I wanted to do art cores,

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Speaker 1: so I tried to do a noisy artcore stuff. It's

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Speaker 1: like in my early work. After that, I had a

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Speaker 1: fluxus period where I tried to reproduce the vibe of

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Speaker 1: the eternal theater of music. Are there any genres that

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Speaker 1: you have in mind that you would like to work in?

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Speaker 1: Genres or utilities uses that you haven't yet that you

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Speaker 1: that are like on your wish list? The printer wave

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Speaker 1: I want to do as a soundtrack of video games.

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Speaker 1: I love to work on this type of utilitarian music.

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Speaker 1: Right now, I'm doing some live on Twitch where I

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Speaker 1: compose music live for games that doesn't exist. But now

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Speaker 1: I'm more into thinking about not working on producing music,

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Speaker 1: but writing about music and mostly about philosophy of music.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we can talk about it more later because this

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Speaker 1: can be a big subject. So working in video games, film,

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Speaker 1: video stuff like that, do you do a fair amount

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Speaker 1: of composing specifically for other people's projects. Yes. I like

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Speaker 1: to do that and I want to do it more.

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Speaker 1: I've done couples of movie projects. The biggest one I've

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Speaker 1: done is American Dreams. I really is the soundtrack. In

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Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen. After that, I had a lot more

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Speaker 1: commissions for student projects. I had some soundtrack to do

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Speaker 1: for games. It's super fun to do. I really like

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Speaker 1: working on real game It's not the same, like I

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Speaker 1: can't imagine by myself all the situations you have to

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Speaker 1: be prepared and to understand how it works video game

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Speaker 1: and gint and it's like super interesting and give a

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Speaker 1: lot of opportunities with all this music. Why do you

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Speaker 1: give so much bet away from free? Because I can First,

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Speaker 1: I want a better world with a lot of public

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Speaker 1: domain stuff, and I want to contribute. But it's not

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Speaker 1: like the only reason the biggest argument for me to

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Speaker 1: put music into creative comments and for free is because

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Speaker 1: I'm really bad at communicating with people and advertise my music.

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Speaker 1: I don't like to do this and I don't want

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Speaker 1: to do this because I see what happens when people

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Speaker 1: do it most of the time. I don't like when

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Speaker 1: labels are bands are like really out publicly like yeah

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Speaker 1: this new album album. I'm just I don't like to

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Speaker 1: do that. Maybe people like to do it, but me

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Speaker 1: I don't want it. But if I can put my

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Speaker 1: music like remixable for everyone and share double and stuff

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Speaker 1: like that, maybe people will do this for me. And

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Speaker 1: it happened. Freeing the music allows you to have access

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Speaker 1: to spaces where people want music, like from the archive

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Speaker 1: or jamindo. People here sometimes for listening to the music

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Speaker 1: because there is like a ton of excellent music and

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Speaker 1: from music Archaive, But a lot of people come because

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Speaker 1: they work music for a placeholder for video games, movies,

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Speaker 1: podcast This is the place to be if you want

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Speaker 1: to have people wanting to listen to you. The way

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Speaker 1: I thought about it, it was like, Okay, I want

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Speaker 1: to share my music with people. I don't mind having

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Speaker 1: remixes of my music. It's like fun. I want to

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Speaker 1: to see when and where people can use my music.

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Speaker 1: I want to be the closest to the public domain

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Speaker 1: I can be, so you can use my music in

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Speaker 1: a non commercial way and in a commercial way too,

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Speaker 1: without attribution. Now I appear in all the layers of

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Speaker 1: the search engine in free music. You can't miss me

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Speaker 1: because I'm everywhere. What do you What do you think

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Speaker 1: about commercial use of your work? No problem with that.

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Speaker 1: People need music and want to commercialize their project. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we live in a capitalist society. We need to make money.

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Speaker 1: I really don't mind this use of my music. If

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Speaker 1: you can send me ten books at some point, I

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Speaker 1: don't mind too. But I don't mind if you don't.

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Speaker 1: I really like people using my music because I feel

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Speaker 1: like they love it and I'm happy. What's your relationship

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Speaker 1: with this music? Once you put it out there. I'm

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Speaker 1: a bit egotistick. I like to listen to my music,

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Speaker 1: mostly because the music I created the music I want

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Speaker 1: to listen to. Some albums I prefer another. But most

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Speaker 1: of the time I listened to an album I didn't

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Speaker 1: listen to and was thinking, Okay, this is not my

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Speaker 1: best day and the album is good. I'm not crying

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Speaker 1: over it, or I'm not like submerged by emotion, but

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, you did the best you could at

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Speaker 1: this moment, and I hear it. Sometimes I listened to

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Speaker 1: my music and I'm not thinking that it's my music.

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Speaker 1: I've done a lot, so I don't remember everything. I

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Speaker 1: think this is why I have so many nicknames too.

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Speaker 1: When I listened to these old albums, I feel like

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Speaker 1: it's a part of me, but now it's not mine anymore.

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Speaker 1: This episode of Ephemeral was written and assembled by Alex Williams,

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Speaker 1: with producers Max Williams and Trevor Young, and additional editing

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Speaker 1: from Jesse Funk. Special thanks to Andy Reese for pronouncing

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Speaker 1: all those artists names for me. The work of Roses

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Speaker 1: are two and all their various pseudonyms can be found

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Speaker 1: at loyalty freak news dot com, including information about reusing

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Speaker 1: this music in your own projects or commissioning Rose for

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Speaker 1: original works. Our next episode will be out July four.

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Speaker 1: Until then, follow us on social media at Ephemeral Show,

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