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Speaker 2: We have an amazing show for everybody today. What do

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Speaker 2: we have, Krystal.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do lots to get to this morning. So

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Speaker 1: the southern ground invasion in Gaza has begun, so we'll

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Speaker 1: give you updates on that, and Kamala Harris's team is

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Speaker 1: traveling to the region, so a lot to stay there. Also,

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Speaker 4: A bit of a mystery of who and how and why, but.

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Speaker 1: Pretty conclusive report showing that there was unusual trading activity

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Speaker 1: leading up to the horrors that were perpetrated on October seventh.

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Speaker 1: In addition, we have some dire news about health in America,

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Speaker 1: we know about what is happening there, a blockbuster report

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Speaker 1: on Ukraine and what has been going on there, as

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Speaker 1: well as Lindsey Graham, mister Warhawk himself actually saying he

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Speaker 1: is done with providing Ukraine with aid. So is this

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Speaker 1: We've got a State Department spokesman caught live spreading misinformation,

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, we missed you Crystal here in the studio,

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Speaker 2: but we will have you back very very soon.

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Speaker 3: As you said, we're going to start with Israel.

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Speaker 2: then let us begin with what is going on in

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Speaker 2: Israel as you said, the southern invasion of Communis and

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Speaker 2: the likely envelopment of that city and of that portion

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Speaker 2: You've got tracks that show heavy vehicles equipment that are

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Speaker 1: They're continuing to use these you know, massive bombs that

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. So that's what we have in terms

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Speaker 3: Here's what she had to say.

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Speaker 5: Well, as I said that we have to revitalize the

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Speaker 2: Okay, so that's as ann and I and I guess

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Speaker 2: Let's go and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Times of Israel now reporting that the Vice President's National

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Speaker 2: later today quote for meetings with their counterparts to discuss

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Speaker 3: Competent member of government.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious, this is what you make of this overall

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Speaker 1: Putting Kamala Harrison her team on this particular project is

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Speaker 1: we don't have a position on that, when her official

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Speaker 4: So it's I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's a level of contempt for her, for the American people,

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Speaker 2: Well, and especially it look if you took it seriously,

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Speaker 1: Words already about how this is the humanitarian solution. No,

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Speaker 1: What was interesting in that Washington Post piece was they

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Speaker 7: This is where she's talking about, a desolate wasteland of

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Speaker 4: First of all, obviously that was a lie.

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Speaker 1: receive shelter, and un spokespeople came out and said there

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Speaker 1: is nowhere that is safe.

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Speaker 4: There is nowhere that is safe.

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Speaker 1: So as horrific as the bombing and the ground invasion

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Speaker 1: of the North is, there's even more of a risk

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Speaker 1: for catastrophes for civilians now because people are even more

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Speaker 1: densely packed in this area that they were hold to

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Speaker 1: flee to in order to be safe. The reality is,

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Speaker 1: of course, there is nowhere to go that is actually safe.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, as you said, we'll continue to track it here.

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Speaker 2: Let's move to a more important story in terms of

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Speaker 2: domestic politics, which is how Americans are feeling about all

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Speaker 2: of this that is happening in front of us. Let's

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Speaker 2: go ahead and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: So this is some pretty extraordinary polling that has just

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Speaker 2: come out from Gallup, and I want to actually spend

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Speaker 2: some time here Americans' views of military Israel's Israel's military

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Speaker 2: action in Gaza by subgroup. So if you look at

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Speaker 2: it by adults, it's fifty percent approved, forty five percent disapproved.

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Speaker 2: I think, very different than how most people would look

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Speaker 2: in the media. When you start to break it down though,

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Speaker 2: by age, it's extraordinary eighteen to thirty four. In that

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Speaker 2: age group, you have thirty percent approved, sixty seven percent

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Speaker 2: disapproved thirty five to fifty four so gen x who

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Speaker 2: have fifty approved forty four percent disapproved. And then amongst

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Speaker 2: boomers it's more significantly sick xty three percent approved, thirty

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Speaker 2: four percent disapproved. I do think though, if you look

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Speaker 2: at the breakdown where things really split, it's party id

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Speaker 2: So you've got seventy one percent of Republicans who approve

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Speaker 2: of the Israeli military actions in Gaza, twenty three percent disapproved.

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Speaker 2: Amongst independents, it's almost entirely equally split forty seven percent approved,

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Speaker 2: forty eight percent disapproved. Amongst Democrats, absolutely extraordinary to see

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Speaker 2: this number thirty six percent approve, sixty three percent disapprove,

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Speaker 2: And of course a Democrat is currently in the White House. Now,

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Speaker 2: you shouldn't conduct all foreign policy just to pay based

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Speaker 2: upon what your party wants, necessarily, but Chrystal, this does

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Speaker 2: highlight something that we've been trying to bring attention to here,

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Speaker 2: which is not even just young voters per se, but

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Speaker 2: many Democrats who may feel very differently about the Israel conflict,

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Speaker 2: who don't see their views really represented in their in

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Speaker 2: the government, that is, or at least in the party

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Speaker 2: and the president that they are aligned with in a

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Speaker 2: critical election year, and I thought that that was the

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Speaker 2: biggest red sign I've seen yet for President Joe Biden,

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Speaker 2: on top of all of his other problems. It explains

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Speaker 2: why Trump right now is in the best position to

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Speaker 2: win reelections for any Republican since George W.

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Speaker 3: Bush in two thousand and four.

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Speaker 1: And it's not just that they don't see their view

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Speaker 1: reflected in the United States government, and by the way,

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Speaker 1: of course, consistently from the beginning, the overwhelming majority of Americans,

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Speaker 1: some two thirds of Americans have supported a ceasefire.

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Speaker 4: Not only do they not see those views reflected.

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Speaker 1: In large numbers outside of a few courageous members of Congress,

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Speaker 1: but they've been treated with absolute contempt smeared as Hamas

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Speaker 1: or terrorist sympathizers, smeared as anti Semites. There's a new

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Speaker 1: resolution up in the House to equate anti Zionism with

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Speaker 1: anti Semitism, which is absolutely preposterous.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: I did see Jerry Nadler and some others speaking out

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Speaker 1: against that. That is good to see, but that is

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Speaker 1: the level of contempt that young people and people of

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Speaker 1: color who That's the other interesting divide here is the

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Speaker 1: two real divides in terms of support for Israel or

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Speaker 1: opposition of what Israel is doing here were generational, so

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Speaker 1: young people, you know, far more disgusted with Israel's campaign

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Speaker 1: and Gaza than older people. And then there's a huge

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Speaker 1: racial divide as well. And you actually see this represented

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Speaker 1: in the members of Congress who have been for a

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Speaker 1: ceasefire effectively from the beginning. They're overwhelmingly on the younger side,

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Speaker 1: and they're overwhelmingly people of color. There were effectively no

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Speaker 1: white Democrats calling for a seaspire for quite some time.

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Speaker 4: It took a while.

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Speaker 1: So those two parts of the Democratic base obviously being

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Speaker 1: very large and very critical, is why then you see

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Speaker 1: this huge party identification divide in terms of support for

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Speaker 1: israel I. Also, don't want to miss the top line here,

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Speaker 1: you know, you might look at it, okay, there's still

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Speaker 1: a little bit of narrow you know, fifty percent support

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Speaker 1: what Israel's up to forty five percent a post that

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Speaker 1: is remarkable from not only the early days of this war,

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Speaker 1: but from how Americans have viewed Israeli actions in the

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Speaker 1: past for years and years of years. I mean that

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Speaker 1: should be sending shockwaves through DC and I think it is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's why you see these groups like APAC

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Speaker 1: and Democratic Majority for Israel coming out and say we're

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Speaker 1: going to spend all this am We're going to spend

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Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars to try to quash any sort

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Speaker 1: of descent on this issue, because they can see the

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Speaker 1: way that they are losing the messaging and propaganda war

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Speaker 1: with young people, and they are even losing some of

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Speaker 1: their grip on a uniformity of opinion even in the

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Speaker 1: mainstream press. So that's why you see such a freak

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Speaker 1: out there. But yeah, for Biden, this is a complete disaster.

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Speaker 1: You have far more Republicans supporting effectively his foreign policy

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Speaker 1: than his own party. And you can only imagine, you know,

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Speaker 1: if this was Trump with the same policies as Biden,

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Speaker 1: would have like uniform democratic opposition to what was going

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Speaker 1: on here. So, especially given the amount of propaganda people

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Speaker 1: are consistently fed from the US press, to see a

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Speaker 1: fifty to fifty overall divide and to see these kind

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Speaker 1: of generational and racial and party splits as well as

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Speaker 1: it's extraordinary, it really is a remarkable.

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Speaker 4: Term.

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Speaker 2: It's also important to know that is very different than

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Speaker 2: even conflicts which have now become much more fifty to

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Speaker 2: fifty or even in the case of Ukraine, have switched

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Speaker 2: entirely in terms of how Americans feel about eight If

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Speaker 2: you look at the initial numbers on Ukraine, it was

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Speaker 2: almost ninety ten in terms of people who were supportive

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Speaker 2: of initial military aid. It took over a year, probably

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Speaker 2: eighteen months before reality started to set in, and we

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Speaker 2: will talk quite a bit about that today. But nonetheless,

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Speaker 2: from an electoral perspective, I think Biden certainly does face

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Speaker 2: a problem.

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Speaker 3: We flagged this report. Let's go and put this up

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Speaker 3: there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Swing state Muslim leaders are now launching a campaign to

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Speaker 2: quote abandon Biden in twenty twenty four. They're specifically trying

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Speaker 2: to leverage the Muslim populations in Michigan, in Minnesota, Arizona, Wisconsin, Florida,

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Speaker 2: and Georgia and Nevada and Pennsylvania, calling on the campaign

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Speaker 2: quote abandon Biden, vowing to ensure Biden is a one

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Speaker 2: term president. Leaders have run separate pressure campaigns in these

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Speaker 2: respective states, now are banding together to try and get

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Speaker 2: the hashtag trending and to try and to have organization.

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Speaker 2: They say that the bubbling anger amongst Arab and Muslim

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Speaker 2: Americans could threaten Biden's chances of reelection in many of

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Speaker 2: these swing states in twenty twenty four in key voting blocks.

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Speaker 2: And one of the reasons why I think it really

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Speaker 2: matters to break this down is the vote total in

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Speaker 2: Georgia is only a couple of thousand. In Arizona, we're

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Speaker 2: talking about ten thousand votes. If you combine Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona,

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Speaker 2: you only need thirty forty thousand votes to go in

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Speaker 2: a different direction. And Trump is at back of the

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Speaker 2: White House in twenty twenty. Looks a hell of a

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Speaker 2: lot different. I don't think yet that'll A lot of

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Speaker 2: political analysis has caught up with just the slimmest margins

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Speaker 2: by which Biden even won the presidency in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: and how precarious his chances are even the White House.

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Speaker 3: Everybody seems to be.

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Speaker 2: Swaggering, being like, oh, there's no way, or they're not

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Speaker 2: taking it seriously. The DNC, a lot of the Democratic

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Speaker 2: you know, the chattering class. Just yesterday we covered the

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Speaker 2: story that they're anointing Biden the the nominee from the

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Speaker 2: state of Florida. They're not even allowing democracy or any

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Speaker 2: of that to creep in. So I think they're going

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Speaker 2: to get smacked in the face come October of twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four, Crystal, when all of this just comes to

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Speaker 2: a head and they're looking at their internals three weeks

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Speaker 2: one month out to election day, and they're gonna be like,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, this is a totally different election than

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Speaker 2: we expected, almost like a Hillary oh shit moment from

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen that was happening at least in some parts

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Speaker 2: of her campaign, but she didn't want to listen to.

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Speaker 1: They still believe that this will just blow over that

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Speaker 1: young people, that Arab Americans, that Muslim Americans, when they're

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Speaker 1: face with the alternative of Trump and you know, his

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Speaker 1: foading of a Muslim ban and wanting to ban from

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Speaker 1: the country anyone who is Palestinian or supports the Palestinian cause,

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Speaker 1: that they will suck it up and vote for Joe,

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Speaker 1: that they'll move on, or they'll forget that any of

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Speaker 1: this ever happened. And I just think that they're completely

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Speaker 1: wrong in that. And you the greatest effort that you

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Speaker 1: see in order to win people over is not to

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Speaker 1: change the policy, is not to try to allay their concerns.

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Speaker 1: It's to effectively brate and shame them for you know,

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Speaker 1: quote unquote like voting to end democracy by not just

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Speaker 1: getting on board with Joe Biden, who is complicit with

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Speaker 1: these Israeli atrocities that we all see unfolding in front

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Speaker 1: of our eyes every single day. So listen, you can

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Speaker 1: make the lesser evil argument, that's fine. You know, I

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Speaker 1: do think Donald Trump is worse, so may've been very

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Speaker 1: clear about it, but it's always the responsibility of the

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Speaker 1: voters rather than responsibility of Joe Biden, his administration and

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Speaker 1: the party leadership. And frankly, I just don't think it's

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Speaker 1: going to work this time. These Muslim leaders who are

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Speaker 1: organizing this effort, they were asked about exactly this, and

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Speaker 1: they said that they are not planning to vote for

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, though they recognize their effort to rally support

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Speaker 1: against Biden could elevate the former president. But they said

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Speaker 1: they're going to continue to have discussions about which candidate

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Speaker 1: to throw their support behind as the primaries rapidly approached.

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Speaker 4: Quote, We're not supporting Trump.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to make the same mistake of thinking

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Speaker 1: about President Biden the way we thought we don't have

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Speaker 1: two options. We have many options, and we're going to

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Speaker 1: exercise that. So I think that the Biden administration underestimates

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Speaker 1: this political ground swell of.

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Speaker 4: Outrage at their peril.

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Speaker 1: And it is not on the young people, or the

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Speaker 1: Arab American leaders, or the Muslim leaders who are disgusted

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Speaker 1: with this policy.

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Speaker 4: If Biden loses.

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Speaker 1: Which he is on track to do, that is one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent going to be on Joe Biden, his team

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Speaker 1: and his policies with regard to Israel and also with

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Speaker 1: regard to the account.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, well, it will be. I think it'll be very,

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Speaker 2: very multi faceted. And you know, I'll speak up to.

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Speaker 3: For the non voter.

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Speaker 2: You don't know, you don't owe anyone your vote. If

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Speaker 2: you it's up to you to decide what's the most

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Speaker 2: important for you. And if you don't want to vote

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Speaker 2: for somebody, you shouldn't be shamed into doing so. And

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Speaker 2: I've you know, I've long decried lesser of two evils

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Speaker 2: voting and all that, even though we've basically been forced

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Speaker 2: into it now for my entire lifetime in American politics,

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Speaker 2: and I think people who are especially younger, are very

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Speaker 2: stick of it because they can't even remember, or they're

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Speaker 2: only reading about times when people might have promised to

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Speaker 2: actually do something and had a chance of doing it.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, I think it's going to be a very

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Speaker 2: significant story. We've got independent candidates galore, people like RFK Junior,

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Speaker 2: Cornell West.

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Speaker 3: And who the hell knows.

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Speaker 2: I just saw yesterday Joe Lieberman floated that Nikki Haley

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Speaker 2: could run on the no Labels ticket against Trump if

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Speaker 2: she doesn't end up winning the GOP primary.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, the more the barrier, as far

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Speaker 2: as as far as you can ask me.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, let's move on.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 1: So this was a fascinating report that really caught our attention.

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Speaker 4: Put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: This right up from Harets of an analysis of stop trading.

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Speaker 4: Before October seventh.

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Speaker 1: Now, their headline here is did Hamas make millions betting

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Speaker 1: against Israeli shares before the October seventh massacre? Giant gambles

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Speaker 1: against Israel and the markets in Tel Avivan Wall Street

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Speaker 1: days before Hamas's attack made billions. Somebody seems to have

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Speaker 1: known about the plan in advance. Now let me give

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Speaker 1: you some of the details here. So first of all,

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Speaker 1: they're sort of floating that. Obviously Hamas knew the attack

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Speaker 1: was coming, so perhaps they were the ones that profited here.

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Speaker 1: But we don't actually have any idea who it was

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Speaker 1: that was placing these bets. We just know from this

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Speaker 1: these researchers analysis that massive bets were placed against Israel,

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Speaker 1: so short selling here in the days before October seventh,

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Speaker 1: and it was on a scale that you know, can't

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Speaker 1: be explained effectively by you know, chance or the random

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Speaker 1: fluctuations of the market. So let me read you a

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Speaker 1: little bit of this and you can see up on

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Speaker 1: the screen how remarkable the amount of short selling on

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Speaker 1: October seventh versus other times were here, which is pretty wild.

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Speaker 1: And if you're confused, they have you know, this is

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Speaker 1: in Israel and other countries, they do the dates in

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Speaker 1: the reverse order, so two ten is actually ten two

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Speaker 1: when we're thinking about it, anyway.

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Speaker 3: It's the wrong order, let's be clear. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, moving forward, so they were short selling Israeli shares,

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Speaker 1: betting they will fall in advance of October seventh, far

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Speaker 1: exceeding the short selling during numerous other periods of crisis.

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Speaker 1: This is according to a paper titled Trading on tear.

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Speaker 1: They were betting on this ETF that tracks Israeli shares

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Speaker 1: in New York, so they're basically betting against Israeli shares

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Speaker 1: without buying any Just to explain the concept of short

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Speaker 1: selling for people who aren't, you know, super into this

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff. To explain how unusual the gamble against

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Speaker 1: Israel was. They check the volume of short transactions in

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Speaker 1: this ETF from thousand and nine to twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: so quite a long period of time during which Israel

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Speaker 1: experienced plenty of crises. There were three thousand, five hundred

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Speaker 1: and seventy trading days during that period. The volume of

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Speaker 1: shorts on October second was in the top ninety ninth percentile.

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Speaker 1: The short ratio for eis was also extraordinary on October seventh.

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Speaker 1: It is extremely unlikely that the volume of short selling

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Speaker 1: occurred by random chance. They also looked at other periods

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Speaker 1: of crisis, including the recession following the two thousand and

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Speaker 1: eight financial crisis, the twenty fourteen Israel Gaza war, the

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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen pandemic, and nothing compared to the level of

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Speaker 1: short selling that happened on October seventh and during other

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Speaker 1: days in advance of October seventh, and they also note

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Speaker 1: that this was during the Secode Jewish holiday. There was

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Speaker 1: no expectation of anything crazy going on, so somebody knew

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Speaker 1: something in advance and placed some really big that's here

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Speaker 1: that paid off to the tune of billions.

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Speaker 4: Who it was, we have no idea.

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Speaker 3: I have no idea, and we don't even know if

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Speaker 3: it's a single individual.

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Speaker 2: As you said, the Haretz report speculated it could be Hamas,

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Speaker 2: It could be a variety of actors. It could be

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Speaker 2: people who military intelligence officials, possibly who had been trying

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Speaker 2: to warn the government nobody was listening, and then maybe

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Speaker 2: they leaked out the word there. It could be Iranian

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Speaker 2: back to actors, people like Iran and North Korea have

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Speaker 2: done things like this in the past with regards to

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Speaker 2: cryptocurrency and others. It could be you know, anything. It

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Speaker 2: really it's basically the plot of Casino Royales, or at

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Speaker 2: least part of it for those who have watched that

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Speaker 2: Bond movie, which is why this is so intriguing. All

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Speaker 2: of it traces back to this academic paper, which is

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Speaker 2: pretty solid. I went and read through most of it.

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Speaker 2: We can go ahead and put this up there on

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Speaker 2: the screen. They're the ones who provided that chart to Haretz.

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Speaker 2: But if you go and you read through it, they say,

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Speaker 2: we identify increases in short selling before the attack, and

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Speaker 2: a dozens of Israeli companies traded in Tel Aviv, one

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Speaker 2: company alone four point four to three million new share

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Speaker 2: over September fourteenth to October five, yielding profits of millions

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Speaker 2: of dollars on additional short selling for one out of

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Speaker 2: hundreds of securities that were traded on the Tel Aviv

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Speaker 2: stock exchange. They also have some pretty interesting stuff here

742
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Speaker 2: about the exact timing of the report and just how

743
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Speaker 2: good the intel the trader was. Previously, it had been

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Speaker 2: reported from the Times of Israel Hamas had initially planned

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Speaker 2: the cross border onslaught for the eve of Passover, but

746
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Speaker 2: canceled the attack after Israel had raised the alert level.

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Speaker 2: Military intelligence had caught the early signs of an attack

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Speaker 2: on Passover the year fell on April five and raised

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Speaker 2: the alert. However, similar levels of trading were not seen

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Speaker 2: within that So whoever knew this knew not only to

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Speaker 2: not trade short you know, behead of Passover, they knew

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Speaker 2: that the plans were ironclad, were set in stone, that

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Speaker 2: it was almost one hundred percent that was going to happen,

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Speaker 2: and the evidence I mean is basically incontrovertible if you

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Speaker 2: look at this statistically. One thing they also point out

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Speaker 2: or some of the shortfalls in US security law whenever

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Speaker 2: you're actually trying to even get down to the bottom.

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Speaker 2: I know that there's been a lot of speculation in

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Speaker 2: the past about nine to eleven and possible insider knowledge

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Speaker 2: and all of that, but they talk about the so

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Speaker 2: called trading on terror phenomenon and how it has materialized

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Speaker 2: in the past. But at the very least, if some

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Speaker 2: of this or even any of this touch US securities markets,

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Speaker 2: they need to do a pretty big investigation here, hopefully

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Speaker 2: our own securities regulators, just to name them. If it's Hamas,

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Speaker 2: if it's Iran, if it's you know, into some broken

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Speaker 2: cider official or any of that. This is outrageous because

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Speaker 2: it not only shows, you know, profiting from death. I

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Speaker 2: believe there's also a billion subplot to something like this,

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Speaker 2: which is just the purest type of evil, but.

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Speaker 3: It shows that somebody was so sure that this.

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Speaker 2: Was going to happen they were able to place bets

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Speaker 2: that reaped them extraordinary profits. But with also some pretty

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Speaker 2: extraordinary risk if it was a normal type of bet crystal.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: That's really important to emphasize that they must have had

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Speaker 1: a very high level of confidence to place this type

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Speaker 1: of that because when you're you know, when you're shorting

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Speaker 1: an ETF like this, I mean, your exposure is absolutely massive.

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Speaker 1: Your potential for profit is huge, but your potential for

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Speaker 1: catastrophic losses is also really huge. So there was certainly

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Speaker 1: a level of confidence going into these trades, manifested by

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Speaker 1: their size and by the level of the exposure. Now

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Speaker 1: you make a great point, Sager, which is there isn't

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Speaker 1: really any law in the US, at least against profiting

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Speaker 1: off war profiting off of terror attacks, which is disgusting

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Speaker 1: and we could talk about that another day, but there

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Speaker 1: are laws that prohibit the finance of terrorism. So if

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Speaker 1: it was in fact Hamas or Hamas related, or even

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Speaker 1: Iranian related, the way that we will know is there

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Speaker 1: is some sort of an investigation. If there's no investigation,

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Speaker 1: then you can feel pretty confident then it was probably

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Speaker 1: one of our friends rather than one of our foes.

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Speaker 1: Or if we never hear about the investigation, you can

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Speaker 1: probably be pretty confident it was one of our friends

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Speaker 1: versus one of our foes.

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Speaker 4: I genuinely have no idea.

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Speaker 1: I'm not speculating here whatsoever in either direction, but it

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Speaker 1: is worth noting. Part of the context here is, of course,

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Speaker 1: we've now learned that the Israeli government had this plan

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Speaker 1: in great detail of what Hamas was planning for October seventh,

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Speaker 1: more than a year before these atrocities were perpetrated. So

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Speaker 1: there were people in the government who had this plan.

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Speaker 1: Now they waved it off and say, oh, we don't

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Speaker 1: think that they have this is just aspirational. We don't

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Speaker 1: think they have these capabilities, et cetera. And you also

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Speaker 1: had this group of intelligence analyst spotters who were looking

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Speaker 1: into the Gaza Strip.

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Speaker 4: We're basically, you know, spying.

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Speaker 1: And using the high tech cameras, so look at the

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Speaker 1: Gaza Strip and watching Hamas training for exactly what is

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Speaker 1: laid out in this document and sounding the alarm as

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Speaker 1: clearly as they possibly could. Say No, no, this isn't aspirational.

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Speaker 1: They're training for this. We are watching them in real

815
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Speaker 1: time train for this. You need to take this seriously

816
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Speaker 1: or this is going to be horrific. And of course

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Speaker 1: it was the same you know, wave them off. No, no,

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Speaker 1: they can't do that. They just they want to We've

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Speaker 1: got it under control. Don't worry about it, effectively like

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Speaker 1: you're being hysterical.

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Speaker 4: Calm down. So this information was out there.

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Speaker 1: There's also indications that you know, some other regional states.

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Speaker 1: I believe it wasn't an Egypt that said that they

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Speaker 1: also had some intel about the planet. Had warmed warned

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Speaker 1: the net Yahoo government as well. So there were people

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Speaker 1: and governments in the region that had gathered some intel

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Speaker 1: about this. So that raises the possibility of any variety

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Speaker 1: of actors who potentially could have looked at this and said,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I don't think that they're faking here.

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Speaker 1: I don't think this is aspirational. I think this is real,

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Speaker 1: and I'm willing to put my money where the bet

832
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Speaker 1: is in profit off of this horror, which is just

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Speaker 1: you know, disgusting.

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Speaker 2: Good point. It could have been in the Turks, could

835
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Speaker 2: have been the Egyptians. You know, a hell of a

836
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Speaker 2: lot of people knew about this attack. Could be Amas. Look,

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Speaker 2: I want an investigation because this is outrageous, and especially

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Speaker 2: if any US citizen or any other type of thing

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Speaker 2: we're involved in US security regulators absolutely should do one

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Speaker 2: into this and just let the public know because that

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Speaker 2: nine to eleven one is one of the most enduring

842
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Speaker 2: parts of the nine to eleven conspiracy that goes back

843
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Speaker 2: around short selling, allegedly going on airline stocks and things

844
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Speaker 2: like that. It's I think it quite literally inspired the

845
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Speaker 2: plot for Casino Royale.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: I haven't read the book, but it was enough so

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Speaker 2: that it remained in the culture that it was a mainstay,

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Speaker 2: you know, behind cable news before the age, or at

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Speaker 2: least in the very early days of the Internet. And

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Speaker 2: this certainly is already making the round, so it'd be

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Speaker 2: better off we all had an explanation.

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Speaker 3: Let's move on to the next one.

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Speaker 2: This is a story I've been really wanting to and

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Speaker 2: spend some time on, absolutely tragic debts of despair skyrocketing

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Speaker 2: here in the United States. We're going to start off

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Speaker 2: one where you can either be glass half full or

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Speaker 2: glass half empty.

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Speaker 3: Let's go and put this up there.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna choose empty just because of the sheer scale

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Speaker 2: of what's happening. This is about new CDC life expectancy data,

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Speaker 2: which shows a rebound from twenty twenty. Now, at a glance,

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Speaker 2: you might think that that's good. A decline in US

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Speaker 2: life expectancy from coronavirus eased in twenty twenty two, and

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Speaker 2: that was the majority of the headlines that was released,

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Speaker 2: including by the CDC. What they failed to mention is

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Speaker 2: that the country remains quote well behind the overall peak

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Speaker 2: of like life expectancy in twenty fourteen. But even more importantly, Crystal,

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Speaker 2: I went through and I reviewed the data. Our life

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Speaker 2: expectancy data is now on par with two thousand and one.

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Speaker 3: So let that sink in.

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Speaker 2: We have had a twenty year setback now and we

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Speaker 2: continue honor decline of life expectancy. Twenty twenty and twenty

874
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: twenty one obviously were extraordinary. They had the lowest, the

875
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: biggest drop in life expectancy not seen since World War

876
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 2: One here in the US. Some of that was attributable

877
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,919
Speaker 2: to COVID, But if you read and you actually get

878
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: into the data, there are two glaring reasons why life

879
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 2: expectancy has been on a general decline since twenty fourteen.

880
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 2: It is chronic illness, drug overdose, and suicide. Chronic illness

881
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: being one of the number one killers here in the

882
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: United States drug overdose already surpassing car accidents, and the

883
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 2: other is one of the number one cause of death

884
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 2: for people who are young. And then the suicide rate

885
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: also going sky high. And to that end, we actually

886
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: have the suicide data which is really truly heartbreaking whenever

887
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: you break it down. US suicides per one hundred thousand

888
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 2: actually went up to the highest per capita rate since

889
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 2: nineteen forty one. The actual number of suicides has hit

890
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 2: a record high. So there are two important parts of that.

891
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: The record high number is obviously just devastating. You know,

892
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 2: you're losing more than all nearly fifty thousand people in

893
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: the United States to suicide just in twenty twenty two.

894
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: But I actually thought that per capita number was most

895
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: important and a lot of people might be asking what

896
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 2: the hell was happening in nineteen forty one.

897
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 3: I went back and I.

898
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: Pulled the suicide data crystal. Unfortunately, it was the tail

899
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: end effects of the Great Depression. Suicide is actually peaked

900
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 2: here in the United States in nineteen thirty seven. Per capita,

901
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 2: Absolutely untold numbers of people per capita were killing themselves

902
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: at that time simply because they couldn't feed their families

903
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 2: from despair and more, and we are seeing a recreation

904
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 2: of that the tail end now effect of nineteen forty

905
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 2: one for the per capita rate on suicide, chronic illness,

906
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 2: drug overdose, the deaths of despair has peaked now in

907
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. That's eight years now into the decline.

908
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 2: I mean, and this to me is the most important

909
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: story in the US and something Andrew Yang, to his credit,

910
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: always used to talk about during during his twenty twenty run.

911
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,919
Speaker 2: I always loved when we brought that ups. The most

912
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: basic metric of how society is doing are people living

913
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: or dying?

914
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: In terms of the suicide numbers. What jumps out here is,

915
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: you know, there's been a really alarming increase in young

916
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: people committing suicide, and whatever interventions have been taken, I

917
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 1: think also just you know, teenagers being back in school

918
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: and having their social social networks back intact has probably

919
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: been useful there as well. Those numbers have actually gone down,

920
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: So that's encouraging. So that tells you that there are

921
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: things we could.

922
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 4: Do about it.

923
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 1: On the other side, you know what is absolutely heart

924
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 1: wrenching is older people and especially old men, are killing

925
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: themselves at rates that we have just almost never seen before.

926
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: And it's horrific and heartbreaking to think about what leads

927
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: you to that place, you know, is it financial stress?

928
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: Is it health stress? Is it feeling that you're a

929
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: burden on people? Is it our broken elder care system

930
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: where there are no good solutions for our elders, you know,

931
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: in the latter years of their life. And you're right, Soccer,

932
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a horrifying indictment of our entire society,

933
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: both on the suicide rate and also on life expectancy.

934
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: You know, if you dig into some of those numbers

935
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: on life expectancy, there were a few things that I

936
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: wanted to point out. First of all, they have it

937
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: broken down by racial category, and the decline among American

938
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: Indians or Native Americans over this period, you just you

939
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: can't even wrap your head around it. They suffered a

940
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 1: loss of almost four years in life expectancy to sixty

941
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: eight years. Black people suffered the second largest life expectancy

942
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: setback of two years. Hispanics suffered an almost two year

943
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: life expectancy drop.

944
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 4: And these numbers are just you know, unconutionable. Now.

945
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: COVID, of course, played a huge role in this story.

946
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: There was no other wealthy country that experienced so high

947
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: a rate of death per capita from COVID as ours.

948
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: But that is not disconnected from the other issues that

949
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: they point out here, including the chronic health conditions, which

950
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: are really underappreciated as one of the major reasons that

951
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: we've seen this fall in life expectancy. To put it plainly,

952
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: our healthcare system is total shit. You know, we have

953
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: it's dramatically expensive. You still have so many people who

954
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: are either uninsured or underinsured who can't go to the

955
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: doctor when they're sick. Then you have, on top of that,

956
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 1: you know, the subsidation of like the worst type of foods,

957
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: you know, and like the type of poison that we're

958
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: just pumping into our people day in and day out.

959
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: We have these incredibly sedentary lifestyles, and you add this

960
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: all in and you just see a calamity in terms

961
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: of our basic health and in terms of our life expectancy.

962
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: So even with you know, COVID, it's it's certainly not gone,

963
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 1: but you know, more or less in the rear view mirror,

964
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 1: you can see the effects of these long term trends

965
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: in decline in our basic health persisting We're also the

966
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: only wealthy nation that doesn't have some sort of universal

967
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: healthcare system, and I think that is a huge part

968
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: of the story as well, which by the way, doesn't

969
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: get a mention in the Washington Post article.

970
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: Healthcare is a huge part of the story. Chronic illness

971
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 2: is number one by state. This also is just so

972
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 2: obvious whenever it bears out the lowest life expectancy in

973
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 2: the US to state of Mississippi, unexpectedly also as the

974
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 2: highest obesity rate and also a very high poverty rate.

975
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 3: Number two West Virginia. Same thing. You've got tons of.

976
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: Obesity, you've got a huge drug problem, you have an

977
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 2: immense amount of poverty. Number three was Louisiana, then Alabama, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, Oklahoma,

978
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: New Mexico, South Carolina. All of the things that jump

979
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: out from there is that with as if you have

980
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: a lack of lack of access to healthcare, you have poverty,

981
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 2: you have chronic illness, and you have extraordinarily high rates

982
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: of obesity.

983
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 3: And that's what you also brought up.

984
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 2: One of the reasons the US suffered more than any

985
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 2: of the developed country on the world because we're the

986
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 2: fattest developed country on Earth, and you know, this is

987
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 2: one of those where you have underlying health conditions, you're

988
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 2: extraordinarily unhealthy, you have lack of access to healthcare, and

989
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 2: it's much easier for a relatively minor illness like COVID

990
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 2: to push somebody who is hanging on by a thread.

991
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 2: Drug overdose is also a massive part of this, and

992
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,959
Speaker 2: I don't want to move past it as well, because

993
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 2: drug overdose is fentanyl overdose specifically accounted for tens of

994
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 2: thousands of debts in the United States just last year

995
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two. The official numbers not yet clear,

996
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: but it does come through in the life expectancy number.

997
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 2: So while it's good that we've made strides and we've

998
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 2: slightly reduced the suicide rate for young people, the elder

999
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: one there, we shouldn't move past as well because it

1000
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 2: actually was especially highest and this is not surprising amongst

1001
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 2: older men over the age of seventy five, who were

1002
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 2: either suffering from loneliness or a health condition. And the

1003
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 2: thing is too, is this is a North American phenomenon.

1004
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody is tracking. There's a big

1005
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 2: debate right now in Canada over assisted suicide, but one.

1006
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 3: Whether it should be legal or not.

1007
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: I have complicated feelings about the matter, and it's probably

1008
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 2: a subject for another day. What is not deniable is

1009
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 2: that huge numbers of Canadians are taking advantage of this,

1010
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: and anytime people are taking advantage of a program to

1011
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 2: voluntarily end their life through the state, whether you think

1012
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: that should be allowed or not, that is extraordinarily grim.

1013
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 2: So I think some of this is downstream from like

1014
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 2: you know, metaphysical I guess, for lack of a better word, conditions.

1015
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 2: But a lot of it is a crisis internally and

1016
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: a structure of the US.

1017
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 3: But I don't know, I can't help but look at that.

1018
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,919
Speaker 2: You got the highest suicide rate since World War Two

1019
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 2: and the Great Depression, and this, like you know, floated

1020
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 2: into the ether. I actually don't know a single major

1021
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 2: news outlet that talked about it in a cable format

1022
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 2: or in a discussion format like what we're doing here?

1023
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: I looked at it, Yeah, yeah, well, and you know,

1024
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 1: it ties into not good everything's about politics. But all

1025
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: this debate online of like, oh, why are people saying

1026
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: things aren't going well? We aren't they happy with the

1027
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 1: Joe Biden economy? And then you look at these metrics

1028
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: of just like the most basic measure of well being,

1029
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: and it's a catastrophe. So, you know, how can you

1030
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: look at those numbers and then you know, imagine that

1031
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: people are going to think that things are going well

1032
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: and we're on the right track in the society's on

1033
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 1: the up and up.

1034
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 3: It's really tragic.

1035
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 2: At the same time, an extraordinary development here in Washington.

1036
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 2: Even uber hawk Lindsey Graham says he's done funding Ukraine

1037
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 2: with the blank check unless it comes with a border

1038
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 2: security package.

1039
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 3: Stunning.

1040
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 2: I guess everybody involved here's what you had to say.

1041
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 8: I think their votes for Israel apart from the package.

1042
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 8: Republicans overwhelming support Israel, so do most Democrats. Republicans are

1043
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 8: divided on Ukraine. Republicans are one hundred percent behind strong

1044
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 8: border security. If you want aid to Ukraine, we need

1045
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 8: to control our southern border. I will not vote for

1046
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 8: any aid until we secure our own border, reform, asylum, reform.

1047
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 3: Parole, It's possible to do.

1048
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 8: Democrats don't want to do it, Pulgans want to do it.

1049
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 8: I'm not helping Ukraine into weigh up ourselves.

1050
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: So we are not helping Ukraine until we help ourselves.

1051
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 2: Where has this man been all my life? But I

1052
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 2: can crystal offer some inside reporting from people that I

1053
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 2: have spoken to on Capitol Hill who are involved in this.

1054
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 2: A lot of this is a feint from Lindsay Graham

1055
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: and from others. They have come to terms with the

1056
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 2: fact that Ukraine is dead on its own in terms

1057
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: of just aid going through sixty one billion dollars. So

1058
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 2: what they have done is kind of co opted this

1059
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 2: America First framework or whatever by trying to shoehorn a

1060
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 2: border security package that would be acceptable to the House Republicans,

1061
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 2: at least in rhetoric. So Lindsay Graham is trying to

1062
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 2: telegraph no, no, no, guys, I'm on your side.

1063
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 3: As these negotiations continue.

1064
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 2: Now, from what I understand, those negotiations are actually not

1065
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 2: going well at all. You had multiple of the sides

1066
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 2: who are nitpicking against each other, and these negotiations or

1067
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 2: at least talks whatever continue on Capitol Hill. But I think,

1068
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 2: I think the rhetoric itself, when even Lindsey is forced

1069
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 2: to saying something like that, you've got to know that

1070
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 2: what is a phrase like the goose is cooked or or.

1071
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 1: Something like that, well, not only that, but you increasingly

1072
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: have administration officials admitting things aren't going well, admitting that

1073
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: we need to push for some sort of resolution of

1074
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: this conflict. You even have you know, officials within Selensky's

1075
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: government admitting they're out of stalemate, admitting things.

1076
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 4: Are not going well.

1077
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 1: Now they're not saying, okay, well, let's come to some

1078
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: sort of a negotiated settlement of this. And by the way,

1079
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: it's a real question whether that's even on the table

1080
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: at this point, because, as we've discussed before, if you're Russia,

1081
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: you feel like you're winning, why do you feel like

1082
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,240
Speaker 1: you want to bargain or negotiate at this point.

1083
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 4: The time when we should have done that was.

1084
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: Back when there were peace talks at the beginning of

1085
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: the war that we of course short circuited and said

1086
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: we don't want even if it is a real possibility.

1087
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 1: And listen, you never know until the thing is done

1088
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 1: and dusted. But we now have all of these admissions

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Speaker 1: that many of the key details had been resolved, and

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00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: we and the UK were the major roadblocks to getting

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00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: that done. In Ukraine was of course in a much

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00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: better and stronger negotiating position at that point, because they

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00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: had outperformed in the early days of the war, and

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00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: because Russia looked like they were in you know, total

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00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: chaos disarray, they had dramatically underperformed.

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Speaker 4: It was humiliating.

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Speaker 1: There were a lot of questions about what was going

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00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: to happen with their economy. There was some descent and

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Speaker 1: domestic unrest within Russia itself.

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Speaker 4: So you know, that ship has sailed.

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00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 1: But now administration officials and even people like Lindsay Graham

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Speaker 1: floating the end of this conflict is pretty extuordinary.

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Speaker 4: The last thing I'll say, in terms.

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Speaker 1: Of this package that is supposed to be border security,

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00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: Israel and Ukraine, at this point, all three pieces of

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00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: that are very controversial. I mean the border security piece,

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00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: you know what Democrats are going to accept there and

1108
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: what everybody can agree on that's of course always controversial.

1109
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 1: Ukraine has become extremely controversial, certainly within the Republican Party,

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00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 1: but also, as I said, even Democrats now acknowledging there's

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00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: you know, we've got to have some kind of end

1112
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,919
Speaker 1: in sight here. And then on the Israeli AID, we've

1113
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: covered how there are increasing discussions and not just from

1114
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: Ernie Sanderson AOC, but from you know, sort of normal democratic,

1115
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: mainstream traditional members of the Caucus who are saying, hey,

1116
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: maybe we need to condition aid to Israel as well.

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Speaker 1: So every single piece of that package has become extraordinarily controversial.

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Speaker 3: That is an excellent point.

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Speaker 2: And I also want to take an opportunity to say this,

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Speaker 2: This is why I hate bundling all these things together,

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00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 2: and it is each one of these are absurd on

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00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 2: his face. If you support Israel, why would you want

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Speaker 2: to have Israel funding tied to Ukraine? If you support Ukraine,

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00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 2: or let's say you support a border security package, I

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00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 2: definitely support a hell of a lot of reforms for

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00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 2: the US border. Why should the US border policy, security

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00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 2: and funding be subject to literally funding a foreign war?

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Speaker 2: Which one of these should be debated and presented on

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Speaker 2: its face. Now, I'm not naive, and I know that's

1130
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 2: not the way that it works. But the reason that

1131
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 2: they do it is so the people like Lindsay who

1132
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 2: have hidden agendas and all these other Republicans on Capitol

1133
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 2: Hill who want to defy the will of their voters

1134
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 2: who don't support more funding for Ukraine can hide behind

1135
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 2: it and dangle some shimmery package about some fake border

1136
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 2: thing now. I have no idea if it we'll even materialize,

1137
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 2: or if it has any sort of chance of passing

1138
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 2: the House of Representatives. But do not think that the

1139
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 2: fight over Ukraine funding is dead at all. And that

1140
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 2: really brings us to what I wanted to spend some

1141
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 2: time on here, which is just a shocking and heartbreaking

1142
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 2: report about US policy towards Ukraine. Let's go and put

1143
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 2: this up there on the screen. These were two key

1144
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 2: findings from a month's long investigation into the failure of

1145
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 2: the Ukrainian counter offensive, and I put them up side

1146
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 2: by side because they're two separate stories. The first was

1147
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 2: about US military planning. I want to let some of

1148
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 2: this sink in. The United States held quote eight tabletop

1149
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: ex sizes at a certain point to try and game

1150
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 2: out what the Ukrainians should do. They advocated focused assaults

1151
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 2: by the Ukrainians amongst a southern axis. They encouraged them

1152
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 2: to basically take all of the weapons material in them

1153
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 2: and then run into fortified Russian positions at the hope

1154
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 2: of a breakthrough. They did this despite tons of intelligence

1155
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 2: that they were being told. The United States military was

1156
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 2: being told the chances of the Ukrainian breakthrough in these

1157
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 2: types of conditions not going to happen. So the US

1158
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 2: itself basically encouraged an entire generation of Ukrainian young men

1159
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 2: to run into their debts in this counter offensive and

1160
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 2: it didn't even work. So we are entire we are

1161
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 2: very much to blame in this. But there's another side

1162
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 2: of this coin too. The Ukrainian military leadership is arrogant

1163
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 2: and largely incompetent. Something that we talked about endlessly here

1164
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 2: on the show was the defense of Bachmut, about how

1165
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 2: they were blowing billions of dollars of AMMO and artillery

1166
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 2: and all these other things to eventually fight a battle

1167
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,479
Speaker 2: that they would always go to lose. And it turns

1168
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 2: out that the US military was like, hey, you probably

1169
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 2: should conserve some of that fear counter offensive.

1170
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 3: They were said, oh, no, we know best.

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01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 2: Then, even though we provided them with all these leopards

1172
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 2: and all these other Western you know, this Western military

1173
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 2: equipment that they had asked for, is that much of

1174
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 2: it was destroyed in a single battle, and that they

1175
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 2: were incompetently employing it. They did not listen to the

1176
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 2: US military advisors. They were treated to Soviet tactics. Much

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Speaker 2: of the troops that they had seventy percent of them

1178
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 2: had never seen combat before. They were totally green. The

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01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 2: Western military training that they tried to do over the

1180
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 2: course of a year and in some cases a summer

1181
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 2: for many of these troops, it's a total failure. I mean,

1182
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 2: how many times do we have to learn the lesson?

1183
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 2: From Vietnam to Iraq, to Afghanistan to the Syrian what

1184
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 2: was the good the good militias or whatever they were called,

1185
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 2: the good rebels, even Korea to a certain extent, We

1186
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 2: cannot competently train and equip a foreign military. It just

1187
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 2: doesn't work. And yet we pour billions and billions and

1188
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 2: billions and billions of dollars into this end and I

1189
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 2: just want to end on this so and I'm trying

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01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 2: aptly to place the blame on the hands of the

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01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 2: military who really encourage a lot of these guys to

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01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 2: just run into their death. So, in some respects I

1193
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 2: sympathize with those people who were like, oh, we should

1194
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 2: have given Ukraine long range missiles, airpower and all of this.

1195
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 2: But what comes through on the Ukrainian side is a

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01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 2: couple of things. Number One, these people are not trustworthy.

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01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 2: They're incredibly arrogant. They absolutely would have used it to

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01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 2: attack Russia, and we have intercepts, spying, leaked records and

1199
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 2: all of that that confirms it. So it was irresponsible

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01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 2: on our part to do so. Number Two, they were

1201
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 2: incompetent from the get go, and we're never going to

1202
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 2: succeed in this counter offensive. And then really three is

1203
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 2: that at this point, when you combine the worst of

1204
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 2: all worlds of our policy, you have hundreds of thousands

1205
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 2: of Ukrainian young men who are either dead or maimed

1206
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 2: for the rest of their life and are out of

1207
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 2: the fight.

1208
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 3: We brought people the recruitment.

1209
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 2: News last time about how the average age of the Ukrainian

1210
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 2: fighting mail right now is forty three years old. You know, Crystal,

1211
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 2: there are six hundred thousand Ukrainian fighting aged males who

1212
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 2: have fled the country.

1213
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 3: They don't want to fight.

1214
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 2: Morale is at an all time low at this point,

1215
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 2: they're conscripting anybody that can even move, even with prior

1216
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 2: medical dischargement.

1217
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 3: I mean, as I've.

1218
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 2: Said previously, this is what it looks like in the

1219
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 2: last days of resistance. Now I don't know how much

1220
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 2: longer they can hold on defensive. Is obviously a better

1221
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 2: position to be in. But this is a horrible situation

1222
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 2: for Ukraine, and the US really did hang them. We

1223
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 2: bled them dry, We encourage them not to take a

1224
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 2: peace deal. We bled them for you know, to what

1225
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 2: is it to degrade the Russian military, even though by

1226
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 2: many respects we've sharpened them to be more combat effective

1227
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 2: than they've ever been before. We taught them all these

1228
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 2: new lessons about next generation combat and at this point,

1229
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Speaker 2: you know, Jake Sullivan, I'll just send on this. He

1230
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 2: said yesterday, anybody who doesn't vote for the sixty one

1231
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 2: billion dollars package to Ukraine is a vote for Putin.

1232
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 3: That's basically what he said. But I would put it

1233
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 3: the other way. If you vote for sixty one billion

1234
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 3: dollars for Ukraine.

1235
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 2: You are voting to bleed the last able bodied Ukrainian

1236
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 2: men debt dry. You're voting to bleed them dry for

1237
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 2: maybe a few square miles of territory in the hopes

1238
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 2: of reaching peace deal that was on the.

1239
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 3: Table in April twenty twenty two. How is that a

1240
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 3: defensible policy. It's not.

1241
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Speaker 4: It's absolutely not.

1242
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: It truly sickens me the way that we have used

1243
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: Ukraine and used Ukrainian military age fighting men in particular

1244
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: as pawns in our effectively imperial game, you know, hoping

1245
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: we can degrade Russia, hoping we can give Russia a

1246
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 1: bloody nose. It sickens me, It truly disgusts me, because

1247
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: you are right. We hung these people out to dry.

1248
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: And here's the other piece that I want people to

1249
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: really take in. Think of how you have been lied

1250
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: to during this conflict. Lied to about the possibility of

1251
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: a peace deal, lied to about you know, the nord

1252
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: Stream pipeline as one example, but in particular from this report,

1253
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 1: lied to about who really was in charge here. It

1254
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: has always been the US who's been governing the time,

1255
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 1: manner and direction of the fighting. We have always had

1256
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: a say in the direction of this war. And instead

1257
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,479
Speaker 1: Biden and other officials always, oh, it's you know nothing

1258
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 1: about Ukraine without Ukraine, and it's all on them and

1259
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 1: we're just trying to help them.

1260
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Speaker 4: Bull shit.

1261
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: It has always been a complete lie. The other thing

1262
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 1: that I'll say about this is, Okay, well, why are

1263
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: these things coming out now? And you know, it's not

1264
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 1: that the reporting couldn't have been done earlier, et cetera.

1265
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Speaker 4: Et cetera.

1266
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: But you now have this very clear realization that this

1267
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: thing has gone completely sideways, and so you've effectively got

1268
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: US officials and you Krainian officials trying to you know,

1269
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 1: trying to blame shift. You know, the US officials are

1270
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: leaking about how it is the Ukrainian's fault and they're

1271
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: incompetent and we told them what to do and they

1272
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 1: didn't listen, etc. And the Ukrainians leaking that, no, they

1273
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: don't understand the reality of the war that we're fighting,

1274
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: and they hung us ound to dry and we didn't

1275
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: have the equipment we needed. That's what's going on here.

1276
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you see this all the time. You know,

1277
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: I sort of hate sports analogies, but you see this too,

1278
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: when when the team starts losing, everybody starts sniping at

1279
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: each other. Everybody starts blaming each other. You see it

1280
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 1: in political campaigns. Just go and look at what's happening

1281
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: in the Ronda Santis campaign right now. This one blaming

1282
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: the other one and this one getting fired and this

1283
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: is the problem with the campaign.

1284
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 4: No, that's the problem with the campaign.

1285
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: That's the stage we're at right now in the Ukraine

1286
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: War is everyone just trying to leak to the press

1287
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: to set the narrative of what the hell actually went

1288
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: wrong here, And so that's increasingly why you see these

1289
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: reports that give you some insight into what was going

1290
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 1: on behind the scenes.

1291
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 4: That's why these are coming out right now.

1292
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 3: Yes, and the all as you.

1293
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 2: Let's spend some time on that about the lying and

1294
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 2: also about the reporting. This was evident from day one.

1295
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 2: I was saying in here on Bakmut you can roll

1296
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 2: the tape. We're saying it six months ago. And it's

1297
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 2: funny all of the professional military analysts were lying to

1298
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 2: our face.

1299
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 3: Now. I don't speak ill of former employers.

1300
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 2: And of people who helped me out in the past,

1301
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 2: but there are a lot of organizations who are out

1302
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 2: there who were absolutely spinning things with all of these

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Speaker 2: maps and all of these releases and leaking to the

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Speaker 2: New York Times, people of real prestige, with real military experience,

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Speaker 2: who went all over TV, the pundit generals, all these

1306
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Speaker 2: former NATO commanders, YUKAM commanders, all this stuff bs. Everything

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Speaker 2: they said was a lie, and all of it was

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Speaker 2: a lie perpetrator to just continue the money flowing into Ukraine,

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Speaker 2: and the thing is too about the money is if

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Speaker 2: it would actually make a difference.

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Speaker 3: I think that there is a little more of a

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Speaker 3: debate on this.

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Speaker 2: I would still be against it. But we have their

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Speaker 2: own admission. They are stealing everything not nailed to the floor.

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Speaker 3: Are they are?

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Speaker 2: They're the most one of the most corrupt nations in

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Speaker 2: the entire world. How many untold billions of dollars have

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Speaker 2: been stolen from this aid We don't even have an

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01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 2: inspector general. We'll never find out. At least we found

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Speaker 2: out some of it. In Afghanistan, the troops on the

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Speaker 2: front line, according to many Western reporters, even joke about

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Speaker 2: how they are not getting sub they are getting suboptimal

1323
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 2: supplies because so much corruption has leaked down to them.

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Speaker 2: They're the ones who are fighting. They're the ones who

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Speaker 2: are dying. Six hundred thousand them don't even want to fight.

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Speaker 2: What is the point of continuing all of this? And

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Speaker 2: the really the worst part is is that previously Russia

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Speaker 2: might have negotiated, but now since the West has basically

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Speaker 2: moved on from Ukraine, why would you negotiate.

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Speaker 3: I've said this before too.

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Speaker 2: If I'm Russia, I got a hardened economy, I got

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Speaker 2: industry spinning up. We Russia is pumping out more ammunition

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01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 2: than all of NATO combined. As I've said before, we

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01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 2: did them a favor. We sharpened their military, we got

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01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 2: rid of they're useless initial generals. They've got their tactics

1336
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 2: down pretty well. They're in a well hardened defense battle position.

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01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 2: They've got missiles that they're pumping out. They've got these

1338
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 2: new drones and other things that they're experimenting with. With

1339
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 2: the help of the North Koreans and of the Iranians,

1340
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 2: they're reigning terror down on Ukraine. Ukraine is in a

1341
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 2: far far worse position for its survival than it has

1342
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 2: been really since the beginning and early days of the war.

1343
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Speaker 2: Nobody is more to blame, I think, here than Washington.

1344
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 2: So congratulations to all of the people who supported this

1345
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,639
Speaker 2: grift and this tragedy, I think from the very beginning,

1346
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 2: because most of it could have been avoided.

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Speaker 3: And it really is just it's sickening. It really is sickening.

1348
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Speaker 2: Whenever it does, when it does eventually come to end,

1349
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 2: we'll see the final toll.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right, All of this time and money spent

1351
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:55,560
Speaker 1: for what what has been accomplished here nothing, just lives lost, destruction.

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Speaker 1: For Ukraine to be in a worse position than they

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01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: were at the beginning of the we it's I mean,

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Speaker 1: it is just a catastrophic failure. It's a humiliation, it

1355
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 1: is a moral rot. It is disgusting what has unfolded

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Speaker 1: the last uh. This is kind of a side note,

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01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 1: but it just it piqued my interest and I wanted

1358
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: to note it. From one of the Washington Post reports,

1359
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:19,839
Speaker 1: they talked about the centrality of these very inexpensive drones,

1360
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: which was also something that Hamas used to great effect

1361
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: in their Horse on October seventh, But they said Russia

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01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 1: is deploying fleets of these handbuilt attack drones. Ukraine is

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01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,719
Speaker 1: deploying them as well. They cost less than one thousand

1364
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 1: dollars each and can disable a multi million dollar tank.

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Speaker 1: I think that is going to be you know, putting

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Speaker 1: this particular conflict aside, But as we look forward to

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Speaker 1: the future of conflict and war fighting and guerrilla war fighting,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, some of these technological advances are you know,

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01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 1: really terrifying for our troops abroad for what these conflicts

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01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 1: are going to look like in terms of evening the

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Speaker 1: blaying field here, and I think the drones and the

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Speaker 1: use of them very inexpensive, effectively off the shelf at

1373
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 1: this point is kind of the bleeding edge of some

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Speaker 1: of this leveling of the technological blaying field.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot to be said about that, because for

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01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 2: years there was something in military speak called the revolution

1377
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 2: in military affairs. The Gulf War showed everybody it's Shakana

1378
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 2: campaign of two thousand and three. Everyone's like warfare has

1379
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 2: changed forever. Technology has changed the game. Except in the

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Speaker 2: biggest war since World War Two, it looks more like

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01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,679
Speaker 2: nineteen fourteen than any book I've ever read about supposed

1382
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,759
Speaker 2: drone warfare and all of that in twenty twenty five. Instead,

1383
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 2: it seems a technology and asymmetric warfare has flattened the

1384
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 2: battlefield and reverted tactics back to historical levels than any

1385
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 2: sort of fifth generation fighter aircraft that was promising that

1386
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 2: no American soldier ever had to be put in harm's way.

1387
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Speaker 3: So there's a ton of military lessons on this.

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01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 2: I'm sure there are a lot of geeks at West Point

1389
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:58,640
Speaker 2: and all these others who are studying it, but a

1390
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 2: lot of them are grim lessons for the billions of

1391
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 2: dollars that we've poured into Lockheed Raytheon and all these

1392
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 2: other people in the hope of keeping us safe.

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Speaker 3: Why don't we move on.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we'll save that, We'll save a deeper conversation on

1395
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 1: that for another day. So State Department spokesperson Matt Miller

1396
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 1: was at the podium yesterday and he started discussing why

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01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 1: the ceasefire broke down and why he alleges that some

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Speaker 1: of the women who are being held hostage by Hamas

1399
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Speaker 1: were not ultimately released. And he says this thing, which

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Speaker 1: apparently was pure conjecture, that it seems maybe they weren't

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01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 1: released because Hamas doesn't want them to come out and

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01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: say what they were subjected to. And in the very

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01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: same press briefing, he is forced to admit that he

1404
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 1: just made this up and actually has no evidence for these,

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01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 1: you know, pretty inflammatory and extraordinary claims that he just

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01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 1: casually put out there. Let's take a listen to his

1407
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 1: original comments and also the pushback that he received, the

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Speaker 1: admission he had to make.

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Speaker 9: They continue to hold women hostages, the fact that they

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Speaker 9: continued to hold children hostages, the fact that it seems

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01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 9: one of the reasons they don't want to turn women

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01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,600
Speaker 9: over that they've been holding hostage. And the reason this

1413
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 9: pause fell apart is they don't way those women to

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Speaker 9: be able to talk about what happened to them during

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Speaker 9: their time in custody.

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Speaker 10: The fact that it seems why is not dropping on

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01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 10: your or well do you know? Do you do? You

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01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 10: have very good reason to believe evidence to believe that

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Speaker 10: AMAS is deliberately continuing to hold on to female hostages

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Speaker 10: because they're concerned that they will speak about atrocities that

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Speaker 10: were that they were subjected.

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Speaker 9: So I will accept the edit not fact seems is

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01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 9: a better way to say it. But let me let

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01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 9: me answer than the answer the question. I won't say

1425
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 9: fact because I don't know it for a fa Okay,

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Speaker 9: a number of people believe I just me. Let me

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01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,680
Speaker 9: just say a people in the US government. Let me

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01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 9: let me just finish my answer. We have seen Hamas

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Speaker 9: commit all kinds of atrocities.

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Speaker 3: I know all.

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Speaker 10: I am not suggesting that these things did not happen,

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Speaker 10: and I am not suggesting that Matt is. I just

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Speaker 10: want a reason for not releasing the remaining female hostages

1434
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Speaker 10: is one.

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Speaker 9: I just I just want to be very sensitive in

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Speaker 9: my language.

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Speaker 10: Any evidence to suggest that that is what what it is,

1438
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 10: or is it.

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01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 9: Just I want to be very sensitive in my language

1440
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 9: when talking about people that continue to be held hostage,

1441
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 9: that have UH families on the outside. I will so

1442
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 9: I will. What I will say is we know Hamas

1443
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 9: has committed atrocities. You know they hold they continue to

1444
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 9: hold women. They were going to release these women and

1445
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 9: then suddenly at the last point renegged on the deal.

1446
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 9: And we're never able to provide a credible reason why

1447
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 9: we hope that they will change their mind and release

1448
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 9: as women.

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Speaker 10: But you don't know though, for certain, that that the

1450
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 10: or a reason for them renegging on the deal and

1451
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:10,759
Speaker 10: not releasing them is because they're worried about them.

1452
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 9: Speaking about I'm not able to speak with the deitive

1453
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 9: assessment that that is the case.

1454
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 1: So this was pure conjecture, just floated And let's be

1455
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 1: clear what he's honestly floating here. He's basically implying that

1456
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 1: these women are raped, they were raped by Hamas, and

1457
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 1: that's why they're being held back because Hamas doesn't want

1458
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 1: them to come out and.

1459
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:31,799
Speaker 4: Tell the world what happened.

1460
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 1: He floats this and has to admit that there's no

1461
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 1: evidence to back it up. Now that's not before though,

1462
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 1: there are you know, the original comments saying it seems

1463
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 1: this is what's happened, picked up by any number of

1464
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: members of the press, and you know, tweeted to the

1465
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 1: government and spread like wildfire and the Israeli government before

1466
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 1: he then has to walk it back. And this is

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01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:59,639
Speaker 1: disgraceful on any number of levels. I mean, first of all,

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Speaker 1: there should be some expectation that US government officials when

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01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 1: they say something from the podium like that, that it

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01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 1: is based in some sort of evidence, fact and reality,

1471
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Speaker 1: not just speculating for the sake of speculating. So that's

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Speaker 1: number one. Number two, and Matt Miller himself sort of

1473
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Speaker 1: alludes to this. Imagine you're one of the families of

1474
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: these women and you hear a US government official in

1475
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:33,639
Speaker 1: flying that your mom, your sister, your aunt, your grandma

1476
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Speaker 1: has been raped and that's why she's being still held

1477
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Speaker 1: by Hamas.

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Speaker 4: Imagine that.

1479
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Speaker 1: Just imagine that, and then he has to admit, no,

1480
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Speaker 1: I actually I just made that up effectively. It's disgusting,

1481
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Speaker 1: and you can never imagine them doing this in the

1482
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Speaker 1: other direction of just sort of casually well maybe the

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Speaker 1: IDF rape, this woman.

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Speaker 4: Do I have any proof?

1485
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Speaker 1: Not I have any proof, but I'm just gonna go

1486
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 1: ahead and say it from the podium a State Department spokesperson,

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01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 1: that's the key.

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Speaker 2: Look, I mean, they're not maybe we wouldn't put it

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01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:00,879
Speaker 2: past them, luckily.

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Speaker 3: And this is the other thing. It's almost like everyone

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Speaker 3: wants this to be true.

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Speaker 2: Thank God, so far, no female hostage yet as far

1493
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Speaker 2: as I understand it has reported being rape.

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Speaker 3: Thank god for that.

1495
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 2: Having Crystal, you and I sat here with the brother

1496
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Speaker 2: of one of those hostages who, thank god, was released

1497
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Speaker 2: and seems at least she has not reported anything as such.

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Speaker 2: If she does, will absolutely update people here on this show. Now,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of you know, investigation into some of

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Speaker 2: the things and the claims and all of that haven't

1501
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 2: made and when it bears out what bears out to

1502
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 2: be true is very important, but it's also important not

1503
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 2: to just wildly speculate from the podium for the exact

1504
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 2: reasons that you said. And if that was the case,

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01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 2: then the US government should say, based on intelligence assessment,

1506
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 2: we believe that this is why. I mean, that's a

1507
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 2: shocking story in its own right. But then for them

1508
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 2: to on the very first question. Matt Lee, by the way,

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01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 2: works to the Associated Press. He is one of the

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01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 2: best reporters in all of Washington. He sees through the bs,

1511
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 2: he cuts through every administration right and left, and he

1512
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 2: knows things like the back of his hand. And I'm

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01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 2: very glad that he had that follow up also too,

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01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 2: that the families of those who are held could see that,

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01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 2: because the inverse of if that was true, then you

1516
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 2: should really be resigned to, oh my god, these people

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Speaker 2: never may be released. And if it's not true, then

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Speaker 2: you can say and maintain some hope that a future

1519
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:21,839
Speaker 2: sees fire's future negotiation or something like that could materialize. Anyway,

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01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 2: I think it was absolutely outrageous and irresponsible the way

1521
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 2: that he handled that, because, as you said, you know,

1522
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 2: it was immediately I saw it spread by the Israeli

1523
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 2: government and others, and that's just the worst thing you

1524
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:33,760
Speaker 2: can imagine if you're one of the families of the

1525
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 2: people who are being harpsed, and all we want is

1526
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 2: for those people to come home, and I hope that

1527
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 2: they're being treated, you know, a humane fashion.

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01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 3: You know, can't guarantee or anything.

1529
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 2: Like that, but yeah, I thought it was crazy, absolutely

1530
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 2: crazy that he just spread.

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01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,639
Speaker 4: That, yeah, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: And here's the other thing is when you you know,

1533
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:55,640
Speaker 1: as that reporter did raise questions about, well, do you

1534
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 1: have any evidence of this? I mean, the risk is

1535
01:17:57,800 --> 01:17:59,639
Speaker 1: you end up looking like you're some sort of rape

1536
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 1: or hums apologists, when in reality, there is plenty of

1537
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 1: good reason to doubt what this government has said during

1538
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 1: this time period. You know, Joe Biden had to apologize

1539
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 1: because he, you know, had had downplayed the number of

1540
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 1: civilian debts and doubted the civilian death toll. He has

1541
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 1: repeated some claims about the specifics of the atrocities which

1542
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:27,480
Speaker 1: were real on October seventh, but some of the specifics

1543
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 1: of the claims he played up turned out to be

1544
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 1: completely untrue. The net and Yahoo government certainly has been

1545
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 1: spreading multiple falsehoods. And this is not according to me

1546
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 1: crystal Ball. This is according to Aretz, leading Israeli newspaper

1547
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 1: that did an investigation into some of the most horrifying

1548
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:49,839
Speaker 1: claims that were being made about the atrocities on October seventh,

1549
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 1: and the gruesome nature of which have been used to

1550
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 1: justify the gruesome assault that is occurring right now on Gaza.

1551
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 1: Put this up on the screen from Haratz. I'll go

1552
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 1: through a few of these. I recommend you read this

1553
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,600
Speaker 1: entire report, which is in English so it's easily accessible.

1554
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 1: The headline here is the Hamas massacre led to the

1555
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:10,800
Speaker 1: spread of horror stories, not all of which happened in reality.

1556
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 4: The truth is.

1557
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:16,759
Speaker 1: Hard enough, which I would just echo listen, not denying

1558
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:20,439
Speaker 1: that there were horrors committed by Hamas on October seventh.

1559
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 1: But some of these stories turned out to be completely baseless.

1560
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 1: One of the most I guess infamous at this point

1561
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 1: is the story about forty babies being murdered. In some

1562
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:36,519
Speaker 1: cases they were described as beheaded. That report was quoted

1563
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 1: on social media, often referenced as quote dozens of the

1564
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 1: headed babies. Sometimes it was burnt babies, sometimes it was

1565
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 1: hanged babies. The Foreign Ministry published an account from a

1566
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 1: colonel from the Home Front Command who said that in

1567
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 1: one house he found the bodies of eight burnt babies.

1568
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 1: You also had the Prime Minister Office's Twitter account spreading

1569
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 1: this similar claims about the murder of a large number

1570
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: of infants, including graphic pictures that they said that net

1571
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 1: Nyaho showed to Tony Blinken. Well, it turns out that

1572
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 1: heels and I hate to use word only, but there

1573
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 1: was one baby who was killed during these horrors. Now

1574
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 1: that's obviously one baby too many that was killed here.

1575
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 1: But the reports of forty babies beheaded, burnt babies, baby

1576
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 1: in the oven, baby on the clothes lines, et cetera,

1577
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 1: et cetera. None of these turned out to be true.

1578
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 1: The truth of what happened on October seventh is horrific enough,

1579
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 1: but these, you know, intentional embellishments and gruesome stories again

1580
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 1: are used to sort of justify the response in the

1581
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 1: atrosties here. But that's far from all. There was also

1582
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 1: claims by net Yahu that there were quote dozens of

1583
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 1: children that Hamas tied them up, burned them, and executed them.

1584
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 1: This also on every level, both in terms of the

1585
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 1: numbers of children who were killed by Hamas on that

1586
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 1: day and also the nature and manner that they were killed.

1587
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 1: None of this was accurate whatsoever. There was a horrific

1588
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 1: story about a pregnant woman who was whose baby was

1589
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 1: cut out of her and then stabbed. This also turns

1590
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 1: out not to be true. And then the last one

1591
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 1: that I'll mention here, and there were a number of

1592
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 1: others in this Harat story that were debunked as well.

1593
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 1: But the Prime Minister's wife, Sarah Neett Yahoo, wrote a

1594
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:28,360
Speaker 1: letter to our First Lady, Jill Biden. She wrote that

1595
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 1: a woman who was taken hostage was in her ninth

1596
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,640
Speaker 1: month of pregnancy when she was abducted, and that she

1597
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 1: gave birth while she was being held hostage. The woman

1598
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 1: that they claimed was pregnant was not pregnant. She has

1599
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:42,599
Speaker 1: now been released. She did not have a baby. She

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01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:46,080
Speaker 1: was not pregnant at any point. So again, this lie

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01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 1: was spread from the first Lady of Israel to the

1602
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 1: first Lady of the United States. And you know, you

1603
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,640
Speaker 1: feel horrible talking about these things because they make you

1604
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 1: feel like you're downplaying what happened on October seven. I'm

1605
01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 1: not downplaying what happened on October seventh, but it's important

1606
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 1: that there'll be some fealty to truth, accuracy, and reality

1607
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 1: in the events that unfolded on that day. And now

1608
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 1: you have both the Net and Yahoo government and our

1609
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 1: own government caught in multiple lives. So yes, of course,

1610
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 1: people have every right at this point to not take

1611
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 1: what these government officials are saying at face value, to

1612
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 1: demand evidence for every single claim that is being made

1613
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 1: here from their podium, our podium, Matt Miller, Joe Biden,

1614
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 1: or anyone else in between.

1615
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, as you said, small small lies beget big lies.

1616
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 2: It calls into question credibility, and many lies are often

1617
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 2: spread in order to inflame emotional tensions to a point

1618
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:44,719
Speaker 2: where you can justify a different policy. This is the

1619
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 2: time hon or tradition. You can look no past our

1620
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 2: WMD lie whenever it came to Iraq, just for a

1621
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 2: more potent example. But these things are fastt of warfare

1622
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:58,599
Speaker 2: from the history, you know, going all the way back

1623
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 2: to whenever you have recorded his about what people would

1624
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 2: say about what others have done, and propaganda and for

1625
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 2: used explicitly for certain purposes. And I just think the

1626
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 2: number one message that we've been trying to spread here

1627
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 2: is you better be careful don't fall victim to this yourself,

1628
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 2: because it's an emotional tool that is being used by

1629
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 2: great effect by a lot of people who are in power.

1630
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1631
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:24,600
Speaker 1: And another thing that we've seen throughout this conflict is

1632
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 1: an effort to downplay the amount of civilian death. I

1633
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 1: referenced before Joe Biden calling into question the numbers and

1634
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:35,720
Speaker 1: then privately apologizing for having done that and pledging that

1635
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 1: whole quote unquote do better. There have been all of

1636
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:43,600
Speaker 1: these viral fake stories about the quote unquote Hollywood conspiracy

1637
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 1: that all of these children being pulled from the rubble

1638
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 1: and all these horrific scenes that we're seeing these are

1639
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:51,680
Speaker 1: actually many of them crisis actors. Well, we had one

1640
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 1: of these that actually got picked up by one of

1641
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 1: the largest English language Israeli media outlets, the Jerusalem Post,

1642
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:01,880
Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. So there was this

1643
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 1: theory going around that this five month old baby who

1644
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 1: had been killed in Israeli airstrike that you know, a

1645
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 1: photojournalist took pictures of his grieving father and family holding

1646
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 1: this baby. There was this myth floating around and conspiracy

1647
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 1: theory that this was actually a doll again part of

1648
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 1: minimizing the civilian catastrophe that's unfolding here. And the Jerusalem

1649
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:29,680
Speaker 1: Post actually published a story claiming that this was not

1650
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:33,639
Speaker 1: a real human child who had been killed, that this

1651
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:37,679
Speaker 1: was a doll. They then, after confronted with the evidence

1652
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:40,800
Speaker 1: that no, this is a real baby who was killed here,

1653
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:45,680
Speaker 1: had to delete that fake story and apologize for posting it.

1654
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 1: But this sort of stuff is just running rampant. And

1655
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 1: again this is a supposedly you know, quote unquote credible

1656
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 1: outlet that just ran with a wild conspiracy theory based

1657
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:56,640
Speaker 1: on absolute garbage.

1658
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that the baby doll, the

1659
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 2: pally Wood that we talked here previously and more. Anyway,

1660
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 2: I just want people to take this away as you

1661
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 2: need to be very clear about what you're ingesting, what

1662
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 2: you're spreading, about what you can say is actually a

1663
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 2: matter of fact, you should question the government too, because

1664
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 2: they can fold almost immediately in terms of things, and

1665
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 2: much of it is being done in order to justify

1666
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 2: many things that are being done with you know, for

1667
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 2: US policy, for as really policy we've seen and we've

1668
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 2: showed previous examples here from the Palaes Indian side as well.

1669
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's a terrible facet of war.

1670
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 3: Christal.

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01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 2: We've got Congressman Rowe Kanna standing by, So any final

1672
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 2: thoughts that you want to say before you sign off.

1673
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 1: No, I'll be back on Thursday, and thank you guys

1674
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 1: as always for watching.

1675
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 2: All Right, we missed you and we'll see you soon.

1676
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 2: Joining us now is Congressman row Conna is a friend

1677
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 2: of the show. We always appreciate you joining us, sir,

1678
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:49,719
Speaker 2: and whenever you're here in Washington, and our audience always

1679
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:50,639
Speaker 2: wants to hear what we have to say.

1680
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 11: Let's increase my name recognition amongst Capital Yeah, please, you've

1681
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 11: got that's your demographic.

1682
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:57,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was.

1683
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 2: Telling you we have a shocking audience amongst the Capitol police.

1684
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 2: Every time I'm on Capitol Hell, we can see some

1685
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 2: of that. So I wanted to ask you about some

1686
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 2: of these things that are happening here in Washington. Something

1687
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:09,639
Speaker 2: Crystal in particular really wanted to speak with you about

1688
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 2: was the idea of conditioning US military aid to Israel

1689
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 2: based upon either humanity or like having to abide with

1690
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 2: the international hamitarian rules, the Lay Amendment and all that.

1691
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 2: I know that something that you've been involved in. So

1692
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 2: give us your thoughts and some of the actions going

1693
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:23,679
Speaker 2: on behind the scenes.

1694
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 11: Well, first of all, I've called for a permanent ceasefire.

1695
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:29,439
Speaker 11: We just need an end to the cycle of violence

1696
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 11: and the release of all the hostages. But the aid

1697
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 11: should be following the Lay Law. I don't understand why

1698
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 11: this is controversial. We have a law in the United States,

1699
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 11: it's called the Lahy Law. It says that any aid

1700
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:45,880
Speaker 11: to any country has to uphold human rights standards, international

1701
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:49,639
Speaker 11: law standards. The problem is that the State Department hasn't

1702
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 11: been enforcing the lay Hey law in cases. And what

1703
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:54,679
Speaker 11: I've said is that.

1704
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:55,799
Speaker 3: That has to be enforced.

1705
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 11: If we are going to pass an aid package, we

1706
01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 11: should explicitly say that it should be upholding the Lehi law.

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01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 3: Well.

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01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 2: So on the permanency spire point, I guess if we

1709
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 2: want to steal man the position, what the pro Israel

1710
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 2: side would say is your only cease fires are going

1711
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 2: to help Hamas and help them regroup. This will not

1712
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 2: allow us to rid Hamas of the population inside of Gaza.

1713
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:23,599
Speaker 2: Is that even an attainable goal in your view? If

1714
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 2: we have a permanency spire, what would the next step

1715
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 2: be for people who are advocating for that policy.

1716
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 11: So I had said Israel has the right to self defense.

1717
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 11: When the brutal attack happened, I unambiguously condemned it. But

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01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:42,680
Speaker 11: Israel has diminished significantly at this point Hamas's military capability

1719
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:46,839
Speaker 11: in northern Gaza. Now there are forty five thousand Hamas fighters.

1720
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:49,640
Speaker 11: Israel has killed probably one to three thousand, depending on

1721
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:54,120
Speaker 11: whose estimate you built. You believe Macron is saying that

1722
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 11: it would take ten years of a war to eradicate Israel,

1723
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:01,760
Speaker 11: And when you talk to Israel's or our allies in

1724
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 11: the Gulf, they'll tell you the same thing. So a,

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01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 11: it's an unachievable goal. I guess if you were going

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01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 11: to try to achieve it, it would be massive civilian casualties.

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01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:14,760
Speaker 11: And we've all seen the women, the children who are

1728
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 11: being killed. I mean, it's heartrending. And you can't have

1729
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 11: two hundred three hundred thousand casualties or the entire expulsion

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Speaker 11: of Palaestindias from Gaza.

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Speaker 3: What do you think should come next?

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Speaker 2: We had a whole segment on our show here Kamala

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Speaker 2: Harris and the Palstinian authority needs to be revitalized. Do

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Speaker 2: you think the Palistinian Authority is a legitimate actor that

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Speaker 2: could be takeover governance? What is your view of what

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01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 2: the next phase of this should look like. We have

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01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 2: a ceasefire, now we have to do governance, possibly elections.

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01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 2: Who is legitimate who is not? What should that look

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Speaker 2: like in your view?

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Speaker 11: Well, I don't think it should be the United States

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01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 11: dictating who is at the table. I think we want

1742
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 11: to have every polistated voice under the condition that they

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01:28:56,400 --> 01:29:00,200
Speaker 11: recognize Israel's right to exist and they renounce violence, which

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01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 11: has been the precondition for those negotiations. But then have

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01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 11: the diverse factions of Palestine represented, so you have a

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01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 11: Palestinian state with equal rights and Israel obviously at the

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Speaker 11: table as well. The problem the United States made is

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Speaker 11: for years we thought we could just ignore the Palestinian issue,

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01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:24,520
Speaker 11: and they tried the abraham agwords. They didn't have Palestinians

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01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 11: have a voice for a state, and now people are

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01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 11: realizing that's not going to work.

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Speaker 3: So what is your view?

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01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:33,639
Speaker 2: Then you're an ally the president, I know he talks

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01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 2: to you from time to time. What's your assessment of

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01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 2: how the Biden administration has handled this so far?

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 11: I don't agree fully with the way that they've handled it.

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01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:47,679
Speaker 11: I mean, obviously I'm calling for a permanent cease fire.

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01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:52,599
Speaker 11: I thought initially the statement that Israel has a right

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01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:57,760
Speaker 11: to defend itself was completely fine. I thought the unambiguous

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01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 11: condemnation of Hamas and the attacks, we're fine. But I

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01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:07,000
Speaker 11: don't think we should have beer hug Net Yahou, which

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01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 11: gave a far right government in Israel way too much

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01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 11: of a green light to have the bombing that they did.

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01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:20,440
Speaker 11: These should have been much more surgical strikes against Hamas

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01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:23,760
Speaker 11: perpetrators who committed the attacks, And that to me was

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Speaker 11: where I had disagreements with the administration.

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Speaker 2: What do you make of the general ubiquity of support

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Speaker 2: for Israel amongst the Democratic Party. One of the things

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Speaker 2: that we covered here today was that forty or sixty

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01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:37,559
Speaker 2: something percent of Democrats disapprove of Israeli military action inside

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Speaker 2: of Gaza. I believe you said forty some people have

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01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:43,040
Speaker 2: called on for a permanency's fire, but nonetheless not even

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Speaker 2: representative of voters and all that have you hoard organic

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01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 2: pushback on this and are do you worry about electoral

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01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:50,959
Speaker 2: consequences as a result of this policy.

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Speaker 11: I do worry about the losing young people, losing minorities,

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01:30:57,240 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 11: not just Muslim Americans or Arab Americans, but voters of color.

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01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 11: I worry about it in the battleground state. And I

1780
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:09,799
Speaker 11: think that you can stand with Israel condemn October seven,

1781
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 11: unambiguously condemn the horrors, the rape, the twelve hundred people

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01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:18,600
Speaker 11: who are killed, and still say that we also recognize

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01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 11: the dignity the value of Palestinian lives. Here's what I'm

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01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:24,760
Speaker 11: hearing from people who and I don't think this is

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01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 11: fully understood, that they don't see American policymakers expressing the

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01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:34,720
Speaker 11: same empathy, the same value for the Palestinian children, for

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01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:38,479
Speaker 11: the Palestinian women being killed, as they do for people

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01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:42,639
Speaker 11: who are Israeli or European. And we have to make

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01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:45,600
Speaker 11: sure that we, as a country in a multi racial democracy,

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01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 11: say that every human life has value. And that to

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01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 11: me is really what's driving some of the anger among

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01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:57,360
Speaker 11: young people, progressives, and minority communities in America.

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Speaker 2: What do you make of some of the ongoing heightened

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01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:02,680
Speaker 2: attacks on US forces? And I know you've got a

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01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 2: lot of foreign I know you spend a lot of

1796
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:06,559
Speaker 2: time thinking about foreign policy as well. This is something

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01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:09,880
Speaker 2: that's worried me, particularly about attacks on not only US troops.

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01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:12,639
Speaker 2: Now we've had multiple weird incidents in the Red Sea,

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01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:15,320
Speaker 2: We've got hoothy drone attacks and all that is. Do

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Speaker 2: you think that's derivative largely of what Israel is doing

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01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:21,840
Speaker 2: inside of Gaza, is of US support or is this

1802
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:25,400
Speaker 2: just part of the inflamed tensions of unleashed a lot

1803
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:27,920
Speaker 2: of tension that was already simmering behind the scenes. And

1804
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:30,760
Speaker 2: what do you think of the Biden administration's handling of

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01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:31,320
Speaker 2: it so far?

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01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 11: I think the latter I think you have a conflict

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01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 11: that is escalating. This is why we need a permanency's

1808
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 11: fire to ratchet down the tension so we don't get

1809
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:40,479
Speaker 11: drawn in to a Middle East conflict. I mean, some

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01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:42,719
Speaker 11: of it is a remnant of the Yemen War, which

1811
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 11: where the UTIs were fighting the Saudas, and that was

1812
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 11: a foreign policy mistake. The President has corrected course on Yemen,

1813
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 11: which I give him credit for. But overall, what I

1814
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:56,720
Speaker 11: would say is that the administration needs to figure out

1815
01:32:56,760 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 11: a way for the bombing and the war to end.

1816
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 11: And once you have a permanent ceasefire with the release

1817
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:05,479
Speaker 11: of all hostages, then I think you can start to

1818
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:08,920
Speaker 11: ratchet down the tensions and lessen the likelihood not just

1819
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 11: of the United States getting into a war, but an

1820
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:13,080
Speaker 11: attack on the United States.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's something I'm deeply worried about.

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Speaker 2: I also wanted to ask you something I know Crystals

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01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 2: particularly up about this.

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Speaker 3: Let's put this please up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: It's about a new House resolution which could be voted

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Speaker 2: on very early, which quote clearly firmly states that anti

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Speaker 2: Zionism is anti Semitism. I know that there were previous

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01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 2: statements and resolutions that had passed the House. What do

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01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:35,960
Speaker 2: you make of this resolution, which I know even people

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Speaker 2: like Jerry Nadler have spoken out against.

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Speaker 11: Probably voting no. Look, I voted for resolutions to say

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Speaker 11: we do not want any anti Semitism on college campuses.

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Speaker 11: And I recognize the genuine fear of anti Semitism in

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01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:53,600
Speaker 11: this country. I mean, they're Jewish Americans who tell me

1835
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:56,840
Speaker 11: they're changing their names when they're getting on cerebrale cab drivers,

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01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:00,479
Speaker 11: and that's a real issue. But you can't say a

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01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 11: resolution like this basically says if you're criticizing the net

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01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:07,880
Speaker 11: Yahu government, if you're criticizing the net Whose policies on annexation,

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01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:11,320
Speaker 11: if you're calling for a Palestinian state and saying that

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01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:17,120
Speaker 11: Palestinians have legitimate grievances against occupation, then you may be

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01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:19,800
Speaker 11: seen as anti Semitic. And I don't think that the

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01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 11: criticisms of Israeli policy should in any way be equated

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01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:29,160
Speaker 11: to anti semitism. That diminishes actually what anti Semitism.

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Speaker 2: Is when you speak with your colleagues generally, what is

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01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:33,320
Speaker 2: the feeling behind the scenes. You have forty some people

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01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:35,400
Speaker 2: now calling for a permancy spar Do you think that

1847
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 2: the overall sentiment is beginning to grow? Like, do you

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01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:40,960
Speaker 2: think that there may be a particular event may push things,

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01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:42,600
Speaker 2: Because it does seem that things, at least on the

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01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:44,880
Speaker 2: democratic side are trending in a very different direction. Even

1851
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:46,679
Speaker 2: when you look at the Senate, people like Mark Warner

1852
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:50,000
Speaker 2: and others who have said things very disconsonant with the

1853
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:53,960
Speaker 2: current US policy towards the towards Israel and his military action.

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01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:56,559
Speaker 11: I would say the last two weeks there has started

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01:34:56,600 --> 01:35:00,640
Speaker 11: to be a shift both the scenes of the bombings

1856
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:04,920
Speaker 11: and the children, the women, the devastation there. I mean,

1857
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:08,240
Speaker 11: people have seen that from a human perspective, but also

1858
01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:11,800
Speaker 11: the fact that we did have a temporary cease fire,

1859
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 11: hostages did start to be released. That shows that through

1860
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:19,519
Speaker 11: diplomacy we can get all the hostages out and a

1861
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:22,200
Speaker 11: diplomatic solution and then to the violence. So there was

1862
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:25,280
Speaker 11: hope there. Even the President was saying, I hope this

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01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:27,799
Speaker 11: is lasting, but now we've got to move beyond hope

1864
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:32,959
Speaker 11: to making it lasting. Just one basic point. The Gaza

1865
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:36,800
Speaker 11: war into the twenty twenty one ended when Biden called

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01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 11: up net Yahu and he said, that's it. The runways ended,

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01:35:40,439 --> 01:35:43,160
Speaker 11: and that yao was the hours before say we're going

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01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:46,040
Speaker 11: to continue. We're going to continue. An hour later. They stopped.

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01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:50,800
Speaker 11: Reagan when he called up the Israeli Prime minister in

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01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 11: nineteen eighty two, they stopped with it hours. Reagan was

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01:35:55,080 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 11: sent to someone I didn't know I had that much power.

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01:35:57,360 --> 01:36:00,880
Speaker 11: So the American policy, America policy space Sea bakers have

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01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:01,680
Speaker 11: a lot of power here.

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Speaker 2: Well, Congressman, we always appreciate you joining us on side.

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01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:07,000
Speaker 2: Crystal wasn't able to join us, but we always appreciate

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01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:09,600
Speaker 2: your views. And thank you very much, sir, Thank you absolutely.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you guys later