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Speaker 2: But when you want to talk about MMA's current.

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Speaker 3: A team, I'm on the same team.

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Speaker 2: This right here is the eighteen.

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Speaker 3: Let's go, let's do it.

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Speaker 2: I had more advantage.

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Speaker 1: Look, we we thought, let's step up our pregame preview.

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Speaker 1: Let's get a little harder. You know what I'm saying

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Speaker 3: Who's the main It's a bulk. No, no, no, fuck motherfuckers.

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Speaker 3: I know who we're talking about. Hey, what are we

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Speaker 3: doing on today's video shoot? Let's say which of these two?

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Speaker 4: It is a huge fight in a far away land.

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Speaker 4: But even though it's far away, it is very much

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Speaker 4: worth your attention. When the pound four pound best fighter

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Speaker 4: in the sport jumps up a weight class to see

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Speaker 4: if he can become a double champ, Alexander Volkanowski, you're

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Speaker 4: rare featherweight champion. On February twelfth, jumps up to lightweight

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Speaker 4: to take on newly crowned UFC lightweight champion Islam Makachev

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Speaker 4: at the r A C Arena in Perth. Australia Live

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Speaker 4: by the Way on pay per view, and to get

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Speaker 4: you ready for it is three dads.

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Speaker 3: Wearing black and blue jeets.

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Speaker 2: That's Brian Campbell, Black tears on Oriva.

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Speaker 4: That's Brian Campbell. That's the Ice Man himself, the man

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Speaker 4: the Hat, Chuck Thomas. Welcome to the Morning Combat UFC

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Speaker 4: two eighty four pre game preview.

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Speaker 1: Without saying what's brother, there were the ground rules for this, right,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Hey, we're gonna find out if Perth has girth?

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Speaker 5: Right, yeah, so that time was under a minute before

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Speaker 5: I got to the GENA office.

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Speaker 2: Look, no, no punches pulled.

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Speaker 1: This ain't like the Spotify hour on Ringer where it's

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Speaker 1: like we're gonna we're gonna pull our punches here and

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Speaker 2: Real to brother, all right, all right, all right, how's life?

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Speaker 3: It's good man, that hat it's good. Yeah. I'm happy

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Speaker 5: I don't know why we didn't do one for UFC

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Speaker 5: two eighty three, but hey, well that made event.

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Speaker 4: And who's county? You know it's whatever my boy glower

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Speaker 4: we talking about. But I guess by the time this

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Speaker 3: That was a good fight.

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Speaker 1: Would you say this to eighty four? Card is nubs

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Speaker 4: Top three, top three fights are great. After that, it's

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Speaker 4: they are great mid and then it drops. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 4: two and a half on this card.

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Speaker 2: Two and a half.

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Speaker 4: Well, two eighty three was funny, right because the main event. Again,

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Speaker 4: at the time of this recording, the main event was

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Speaker 4: not It wasn't barn Burner awesome. It was fine, but

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Speaker 4: the rest of the car on paper seemed to be

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Speaker 4: pretty great. This one is the exact opposite. This one

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Speaker 5: Can you tell me who the opening pay per view

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Speaker 5: I know we're doing a preview here, but I can't is.

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Speaker 3: It Jimmy Crute? Could be Jimmy Crue. It could be

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Speaker 3: the Jimmy I didn't mean to put you on the spot.

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Speaker 4: No, you did put me on the spot. That's embarrassing,

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Speaker 4: but it's all right. No, jim dude has never seen

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Speaker 4: the score cards. By the way, barn Burner. Indeed, that's true.

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Speaker 4: But if I'm looking up to eighty four your opening

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Speaker 4: four five, No excuse me, Jimmy Cruit would be on

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Speaker 4: the prelims as it's listed here. It would actually be

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Speaker 4: not that great. Now, before we get any further into

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Speaker 3: That's where I have some words.

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Speaker 5: And then you can catch me at the Ringer I

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Speaker 2: That famous brit ps Haryl boy.

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Speaker 3: Here we go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's infectious.

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Speaker 3: Now he's the UK plus guy.

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Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, you know, there's there's a there's

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Speaker 1: a nice uh piece of words. I like to live

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Speaker 4: Don't need a segue. I don't really drink, but if

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Speaker 3: We can stop doing a bit? Just get the liquor.

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Speaker 4: Okay, we do over Brian's right shoulder. You look closely.

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Speaker 4: We have the cannibal corpse liquor, and then we have

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Speaker 2: Know where the thing is?

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Speaker 3: It's right behind you. I think we have Brendan Shab's liquor,

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Speaker 4: I'm only I'm only gonna taste it. I'm not going

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Speaker 1: This is blended whiskey forty eight percent alcohol by volume. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: So here we go. Are you gonna try some? That

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Speaker 3: Pro I could have had this open before we start

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Speaker 3: secondary market. It's probably a little more the secondary market. Yes,

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Speaker 2: You just to keep me right?

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Speaker 4: I just yeah, all right, PC two eighty four. As

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Speaker 4: we're opening this up, let's talk about it. Not the

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Speaker 4: where everything matters, that main event. Volkanovski versus Makachick.

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Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question?

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Speaker 1: Sure, I know you want to team me up, but

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Speaker 1: the people really want to hear from Chuck then you yes,

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Speaker 1: and then me at the ends. Why don't we start

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Speaker 1: with you about the truck's busy? This fight is awesome.

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Speaker 1: What Volkanovsky's trying to do is awesome. Mahuchev and the

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Speaker 2: Is this a fight for the number one pump for

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Speaker 3: Yes, or a very good can be made for it. Yes,

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Speaker 3: that's all I needed. You have the shot glasses down here?

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Speaker 4: Oh, here we go. Here you hold this. Hold let's

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Speaker 4: pause that conversation. God, Jesus green one for you. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: just take a little bit. I just want to taste. Please,

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Speaker 4: just taste me up where you're having it. Okay, you

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Speaker 3: It's quite all right. Just just a taste face all

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Speaker 3: that's plenty. That's it. That's it. Yeah, this guy's doing

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Speaker 2: Right, isn't Isn't that what a real man would do.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a real man.

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Speaker 5: Then a real man with a little pink that's the

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Speaker 5: double shot. There we go, all right, right, you want

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Speaker 5: to put that aside. Here's the swimming with bow legged women.

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Speaker 2: Can we do the Columbian thing?

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Speaker 5: Please?

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Speaker 3: Yes? So here we go. Pabajo el Santro. I have

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Speaker 2: Right, This one's for crow cop.

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Speaker 3: Sweet. Yeah, actually it's not bad. Wow, I think I

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Speaker 2: I think that just put more hair on my chest.

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Speaker 3: I gotta say this, dude, that's what that is. Fucking

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Speaker 3: way better than the Cannibal corpse whiskey.

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Speaker 2: Dude, that dude, that's our basis.

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Speaker 3: I love Cannibal. Course that whiskey was fucking rot gut.

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Speaker 3: I could not drink it.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm no. You know, a hard alcohol Connor of

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Speaker 4: Well, Connors is Connor's what would you call Connors? Connors

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Speaker 4: well defensive that's what it is. It's a well drinking No,

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Speaker 4: you know what it is. It's party. It's part it is.

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Speaker 4: It's party booze.

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Speaker 3: That's what it is. Just party booze.

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Speaker 4: Someone shows up with a bottle in the middle of summer.

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Speaker 4: Second one, Yeah, you're fine. Yeah, this is not bad.

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Speaker 4: I can't drink at all anymore. Can someone get me

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Speaker 4: a diet cod heart burning some tam PACs? I mean

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Speaker 4: my life, Wow.

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Speaker 3: Used to Chase sat down with pepto bismo.

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Speaker 4: If I recall yeah, it's you know, I quit drinking

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Speaker 3: Can you believe it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you never told me that story about being in

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Speaker 1: a Turkish bath house with with Douglas Crosby.

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Speaker 3: That's unbelievable, a Russian bath house, but yes it was.

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Speaker 4: It was quite interesting. Let's focus, all right, UFC two

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Speaker 4: eighty four BC. You're asking the question, we'll pitch it

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Speaker 4: around for the top truck. Yeah, top pound for pound

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Speaker 3: I think so.

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Speaker 5: This is one of those rare situations where you have

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Speaker 5: a twelve fight win streak and Markachev versus I'm sorry

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Speaker 5: which is you put those two things together, becoming you know,

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Speaker 5: two different champions, and I think that you could make

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Speaker 5: the case that they're I think you could make the

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Speaker 5: case that volcanovsi I don't know who who. If we've

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Speaker 5: had this discussion, who your pound for pound king is

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Speaker 5: right this second, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't think there's an argument who is it?

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Speaker 3: Volkanowski so that's mine too.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, Volkanowski and Makschev might be entering the space,

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Speaker 1: In a two fight turnaround and no shortage of great

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Speaker 1: you know the status of the opponents that he faced here,

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Speaker 2: The Alexander Volkanowski.

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Speaker 3: When he wins one at the end of the year,

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Speaker 1: Let's be honest, I'm not kod Habib has in one

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Speaker 1: But the stigma will say, okay, but did you beat

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Speaker 2: I don't know that does Islam best. I mean, set

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Speaker 1: So if he's even saying that, Luke, what Islam has done,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I just have to say, like, the thing

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Speaker 4: this is his own path, whether or not it's bigger,

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Speaker 4: The thing is, now we don't even know is Habib

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Speaker 5: Exists because they were already entwined as Islam has coming up,

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Speaker 3: I think that's the only reason. The same I mean,

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Speaker 5: It's like there are too many similarities and too many affiliations,

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Speaker 3: I never thought I would say that.

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Speaker 1: The way he frames narratives heading into big fights, I

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Speaker 3: Why don't you just lean over and.

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Speaker 1: On the flip side, Oh, no shortage or stakes for Volkanovsky,

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Speaker 4: I would not quite done with with the old Islam

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Speaker 4: He was good at it. Islam is not good at it.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I think we'll do it by virtue

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Speaker 3: So here's my point.

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Speaker 1: It's a critical breakout if he does, because he becomes

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Speaker 2: Will it take to be fair?

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Speaker 1: Will take a Connor fight for Islam to get that

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Speaker 3: Whatever, all those types of things. Number one bullshit, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And you know I would smash you boys.

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Speaker 5: You know, he's talking to Dana as he's like beating

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Speaker 5: He is not playing. I get that vibe off of Islam,

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Speaker 1: Normally, when someone's in a position to potentially challenge or

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Speaker 2: In this case, for Islam.

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Speaker 5: It really is.

439
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Speaker 1: You're right, it really is a chance to to get

440
00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:06,120
Speaker 1: I mean like because the way he beat Charles Olavera. Now,

441
00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,240
Speaker 1: when you sit on this couch, fair minded, chuck winning haul,

442
00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,040
Speaker 1: you know, the most, the most guy who is the

443
00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,160
Speaker 1: bridge between our extremes, the guy who.

444
00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:15,679
Speaker 2: In this sport is the voice of reezing.

445
00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:17,840
Speaker 1: You're coming out here and saying, well, accomplishment, why is

446
00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,160
Speaker 1: he may he may be already in here. People aren't

447
00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,480
Speaker 1: even fighting you on that because of the way he

448
00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:24,320
Speaker 1: beat Olivera.

449
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Speaker 5: Dude, seriously, and I mean the way this sport has

450
00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,000
Speaker 5: been going, nothing's out of question, is it, Like, it's

451
00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,080
Speaker 5: just the way everything goes?

452
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Speaker 3: Well, look the sport answer. Sure.

453
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Speaker 1: It give me batshit crazy, especially when somebody getting a

454
00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,200
Speaker 1: big finish in a big moment, And in Olivera's run

455
00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,280
Speaker 1: featured that he almost gets stopped by Chandler and suddenly

456
00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:39,800
Speaker 1: comes back over the top and he stops him.

457
00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:41,360
Speaker 2: But dude, he made that fight.

458
00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:46,480
Speaker 1: Against Olivera one way traffic was the ultimate baptismal moment

459
00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:47,680
Speaker 1: of you finally.

460
00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:48,560
Speaker 2: Got your shot at the highest level.

461
00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,040
Speaker 1: Oh here's the greatest finisher in this in history, a

462
00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,080
Speaker 1: guy who's on the verge of maybe becoming, you know,

463
00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,720
Speaker 1: considered the best in this division's history, trying to surpass

464
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Speaker 1: your boy Habib, and he comes out with that performance

465
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Speaker 1: that I say, normally people have to over earn it.

466
00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,280
Speaker 1: He in some ways Islam has already earned that respect

467
00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:05,400
Speaker 1: that's sort of separate from a beach.

468
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Speaker 4: Well, let me push back on this. So he's currently

469
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Speaker 4: ranked number two Makachev. But if you take out the

470
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Speaker 4: OLIVERI fight, which I realize is a huge yes, right,

471
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Speaker 4: if you take him out, he wouldn't belong in the

472
00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,320
Speaker 4: hooker be Bobby Green, He'd be talking most dude, you

473
00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:19,840
Speaker 4: wouldn't be on a pound for pound list that way.

474
00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:21,440
Speaker 4: I mean, his win streak would be good, but it's

475
00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,320
Speaker 4: you would be on it. You're gonna tell me, And

476
00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,399
Speaker 4: I'm just playing devil's advocate. I'm not saying I fully agree.

477
00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,320
Speaker 4: But he's going to be the number one fighter in

478
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Speaker 4: the sport with two wins.

479
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Speaker 1: Well, that's the remarkable part about this. But I think

480
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Speaker 1: them ranking him number two p for pund and this

481
00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,119
Speaker 1: is USC doing it right. Yeah, and again I mean

482
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Speaker 1: in pomp upon in general. Obviously it's so subjective that

483
00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,480
Speaker 1: you can argue and what's the difference if someone's ranked

484
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Speaker 1: two or fifth. Well, to me, in this case, there

485
00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,080
Speaker 1: is a big difference. Machev was unranked in terms of

486
00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:46,960
Speaker 1: the pomp for Pond top ten that I do for CBS.

487
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:48,639
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody cares about that. It is

488
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Speaker 1: what it is. But my point is when he wins

489
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Speaker 1: a fight that big against OLIVERA and wins it in

490
00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,600
Speaker 1: the way he does, you're like, oh shit, he has

491
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,320
Speaker 1: to crash the party in ways that you don't normally see.

492
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Speaker 1: So I went from unranked to I think about fourth,

493
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Speaker 1: and it's a it's acknowledged that he's probably going to

494
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,200
Speaker 1: climb higher than this, but I don't think you should

495
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,760
Speaker 1: put him at too unless your sole position from a

496
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,480
Speaker 1: marketing standpoint is to sell this fight in Perth as

497
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Speaker 1: number one versus number two.

498
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Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, we are kind

499
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Speaker 3: of respect the journalists that make those votes. I believe so,

500
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:17,760
Speaker 3: but dude, if he does.

501
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Speaker 4: But at the same time, also like also if your

502
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 4: markat chef, it would be two fights and then the

503
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Speaker 4: second guy you fought, he'd be moving up.

504
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Speaker 3: Awakes like, but name.

505
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,399
Speaker 2: Two fights in succession in recent history.

506
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Speaker 1: If he wins this, where someone would have beaten two

507
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Speaker 1: guys with higher collective standing in back to back fights.

508
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Speaker 5: I know, I know the biggest streaks. I mean, OLIVERA

509
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,680
Speaker 5: also had a streak that was going on forever. He'd

510
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,680
Speaker 5: be dousing two of the biggest streaks we've seen.

511
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Speaker 4: Yes, in the last time play Devil's Advocate. I mean,

512
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Speaker 4: I'm not saying I fully agree with what I'm saying,

513
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,040
Speaker 4: but it would be unusual to be.

514
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Speaker 2: Pound for number one off master usual.

515
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Speaker 4: But I'll tell you what to your point, I mean,

516
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 4: let's talk about for just a second, Islam's win over

517
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,320
Speaker 4: Charles Lavera. We previewed the fight on this particular program. Dude,

518
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:03,119
Speaker 4: he just did whatever he wanted basically basically to him

519
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:03,480
Speaker 4: and they.

520
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 3: Wasn't worried about the ground I did. I did a

521
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 3: huge breakdown on this dude. They had the I cannot

522
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 3: overstate this.

523
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 4: Him and Javier Mendez and Jabib member made Off and

524
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Speaker 4: whoever else on the team.

525
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Speaker 3: They had a brilliant game plan.

526
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,360
Speaker 4: They knew Olivera better than he knew himself, and they

527
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,400
Speaker 4: took over him. And when it was time to go.

528
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 4: They got him out of there with ease. I couldn't

529
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Speaker 4: fucking believe how good it was and isn't crazy.

530
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Speaker 1: The support is because the Pourier fight versus Charles olivera

531
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Speaker 1: was the fight that I'll admit, you know, I was

532
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:34,640
Speaker 1: one of those that got wrong ahead of time, like, okay,

533
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 1: this is finally Pourier's moment as good as Oliver has

534
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 1: been great, and it's been it's been great, dude, you

535
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:39,880
Speaker 1: take too many chances, it's going.

536
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:44,920
Speaker 2: To catch up with you. And then he almost audited Pourier.

537
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Speaker 3: In a certain sense.

538
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Speaker 1: I don't even want to kick back and say wrong,

539
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 1: be see and the first round was kind of a

540
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 1: normal first round. But beginning with the second round, dude,

541
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Speaker 1: and I didn't think Oliver was going to take down

542
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,399
Speaker 1: Poorier and then almost get gnarly and cover his mouth

543
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 1: and be ground and pound and just do a different

544
00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 1: side of him that we didn't see that. I started

545
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 1: to go, like a lot of people, if you were

546
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 1: still doubting Oliver, that oh shit, dude, not just a

547
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 1: crazy finisher, Not just a guy who can create chaos

548
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 1: and get out of it while before you gas or

549
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 1: get stopped.

550
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,120
Speaker 2: But look what he just did to Pooria.

551
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Speaker 1: He took him down, he controlled him, he was almost

552
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 1: kind of quasi dirty, and he just won that fight.

553
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:16,880
Speaker 2: And then in the.

554
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 1: Next fight he got completely completely sunned and almost the

555
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,120
Speaker 1: same way Poorier did in rounds two and three. It's

556
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: just like, holy shit, he got completely audited and handled

557
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: and destroyed.

558
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 2: Damn.

559
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 1: So to answer your question, as unique as this is,

560
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 1: is if he does this in two consecutive fights, yes

561
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 1: he is the pump upon number one, but he needed

562
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,360
Speaker 1: Usman to lose to Edwards. And what if Usman comes

563
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,919
Speaker 1: back in March and beats Edwards and dominates him, we

564
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 1: could be having a different conversation. But I do I

565
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 1: do feel confident to say this is for number one,

566
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Speaker 1: and I do want to make that transition because while

567
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Speaker 1: we are framing the entire narrative here about what's at

568
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: sake for Islam.

569
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Speaker 2: Damn, is there a lot of steake here?

570
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Speaker 3: For Like, have you been watching him? What would you

571
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 3: consider his weakness? Well, not so much in the Olivera fight, but.

572
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:06,239
Speaker 4: He can be a little uh okay, there's not many

573
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 4: things are his weakness. But here here's why I'll understand him.

574
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 4: His defensive sensibility is extremely strong. Okay, doesn't take a

575
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 4: lot of punishment, doesn't make a lot of bad calls.

576
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 4: That limits his offense a little bit in the sense

577
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,679
Speaker 4: that he can't quite get going because he is so

578
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 4: judicious with how he approaches everything. But I would say

579
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 4: that if you have good takedown defense, he can be

580
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 4: pressured into bad striking exchanges. That's I mean, this fight

581
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 4: is fascinating and that's really where Volkanovski do.

582
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying you're talking about.

583
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 5: I was thinking about that with Volkanovsky in the three

584
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 5: the three fights with Holloway, right, like just the different

585
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 5: approaches he took. And I know you you probably watched

586
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 5: a lot of that that trilogy, like going back, but

587
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 5: just the different approaches, even with the takedowns, and just

588
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 5: how he took him apart and the last one without

589
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 5: even trying a takedown attempt didn't need it. And I

590
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 5: think that that's one of those things you're mentioning, is

591
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 5: I'm having the perfect game plan. I do think that

592
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 5: Volkanovsky is a very good game planner and adjuster. It's

593
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 5: a fascinating fight, and I'm not one of those guys

594
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 5: who like goes into the stats big time, like and

595
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 5: looks this, but you're talking about one of the highest

596
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 5: accurate strikers in featherweight history going against the highest striking accurate,

597
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 5: like accuracy fighter in lightweight history. This is one of

598
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 5: those fights where these dudes are both at like sixty percent,

599
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 5: and how they connect and the way that they go

600
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 5: for the pressure that they put on, the kind of

601
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 5: chess match that they play. You talk about like Makachev,

602
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 5: like I think some people are like, well, he'll be bigger,

603
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 5: he can take him down. But then you think about

604
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 5: like Volkanovsky for a few minutes, and you say, a

605
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 5: couple of guys have taken him down, but I think

606
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 5: what was the last one was like or take it

607
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 5: took him down a couple of times, and Chad Mendez

608
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 5: took him down a couple of times, but for forty

609
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 5: five total seconds of ground control, and like the other

610
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 5: one was like a minute. It's like he gets back up,

611
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 5: he doesn't lay there. It's just it's fascinating from so

612
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 5: many levels. And I feel like this is your kind

613
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 5: of fight because there are so many trump cards in

614
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 5: play for both guys and you're not sure how to

615
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 5: play out.

616
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also, and folks have like brought up the

617
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 3: Ortega fights.

618
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 4: The Mendes fight is a little bit more reasonable to

619
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 4: me because that is sort of a wrestle boxer type,

620
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 4: which Islam is a different body type, but could set

621
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 4: up things in a similar way. But that was a

622
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 4: long time ago, and the ortakea fight. To me, it's like, guys,

623
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Speaker 4: I have to warn you, like Volkanovski gets way better

624
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 4: between fights, even in his thirties. And if you think

625
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,959
Speaker 4: his wrestling is going to be as good now as

626
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 4: it was in that Ortega fight, boy, you are sleeping

627
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 4: on him big time, big time. It's going to be

628
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 4: vastly better than the other. Part two is like, here's

629
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 4: the real reality. I think Makachev is a pro. I

630
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 4: think he's gonna come in shape. He's not going to

631
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 4: come in better shape than No way, I don't believe that.

632
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 3: Sorry.

633
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: Now, since twice I've tried to transition the show because

634
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 1: you've put a lot of pressure on a Precia BC.

635
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: Don't linger, don't don't stretch it out.

636
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: Don't you know, don't make me late for my train,

637
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: And I've gotten no sold twice on trying to talk

638
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: about the stakes for Volkanovsky and his resume.

639
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 2: That's fine.

640
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: I do feel, you know, okay to say, since you

641
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: brought up Ortega Chuck and there are rumors of the

642
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: demise of his relationship with Tracy Cortez because he did

643
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 1: get the tattoo on the inside of his lip with her.

644
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: If that's true, I pray you get ebol. What what

645
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: do you What do you do about that? If you're

646
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: if you're one sentence on the inside of your mouth,

647
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: so who cares?

648
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 2: But what do you do?

649
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 5: This reminds me of that conversation we had about showing

650
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 5: up with your significant other right before the fight. Man,

651
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 5: we had this whole thing is like, I don't know,

652
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 5: that's a bad look and sure enough, look what happened

653
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 5: to him. Do you have any any advice for tcity

654
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 5: the production stuff. I don't know if this is true,

655
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Speaker 5: because I would never get one. The production staff is

656
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Speaker 5: telling me that tattoos inside the mouth go away.

657
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Speaker 3: Oh wow.

658
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 2: Interesting.

659
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 3: Thanks for deil derailing the show, Brian.

660
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 2: Just payvalcul faultiness.

661
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: When we tried to get the alcohol and you you

662
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: gab at us and it.

663
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 3: Was it was a lot. Is there is there any

664
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 3: like when you think about this.

665
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 5: I mean, I think the Mahachev going into enemy territory,

666
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 5: I'm guessing it's gonna be a partisan crowd, you know,

667
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 5: for Volkanowski. Is there any kind of does that play

668
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 5: any factor into this?

669
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: Likes from the Dagistan tribe, from that abdulm and app team,

670
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: a protege of Habiban, didn't.

671
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: Have that same mental tough I think that comes out of.

672
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 3: The relish that. Of course, look at Habib the night

673
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 3: he fought Connor.

674
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 4: He was never gonna lose that fun, not that night,

675
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 4: not that night, not no, no, there was nothing Connor

676
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 4: was going to do that night to win.

677
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 3: It was never going to happen.

678
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 4: And I think Islam that happens or not, we'll see,

679
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 4: but I think he has the exact those guys are. Dude,

680
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 4: you bring up that it's twenty the post fight Connor

681
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 4: Habib card when he came back, and think you and

682
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,239
Speaker 4: I did a bit with a submission radio and you

683
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 4: had because because Habib came back and was like, you know,

684
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 4: I apologize to the commission, I apologize.

685
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: Everyone, but like I'm not really sorry, to be honest with.

686
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 4: You, And my dad's gonna kill and my dad would

687
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 4: beat the shit out of me and blah blah blah,

688
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 4: I and dude and then and then.

689
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,479
Speaker 3: Chuck was like, dude, Habib was cold, like.

690
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 4: Like not in a bad way, like ice cold, not

691
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 4: worried about is anything else that anyone else's Islam to

692
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 4: me is identical in that sense, In that sense that

693
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 4: the comparisons, I think.

694
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 3: That's kind of the for me.

695
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 5: That's kind of one of those on things about this

696
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 5: card is like there's a potential that there's a spoiler

697
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 5: that's going to just ruin that party, because you know

698
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 5: how it is. It's like this is in that sense

699
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 5: in the fight world, right then, Also, Volkanovsky has been

700
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 5: kind of doing the UFC solids fighting all over the place.

701
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 5: This is his homecoming fight, you know, like he's going

702
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 5: home finally getting the coronation and all that stuff since

703
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 5: he's been the guy. And if he gets beat in

704
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 5: this situation, right, it's just going to be a very

705
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 5: bad vibe over there.

706
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 4: So let's we'd love to do this on this program,

707
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 4: which is what happens if what happens to win. So

708
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 4: let's talk about a world where actually let's go a

709
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 4: little bit of reverse here.

710
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 3: Let's talk about a world.

711
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 4: Where Volkanovsky wins right and again without controversy whatever that

712
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 4: means stoppage or a great decision or whatever. But the

713
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 4: one forty five pound champ would go up. He would

714
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 4: now be the double champ. I think most people would

715
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 4: agree at that point he's already number one, but it

716
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 4: would really solid by him.

717
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 3: At that point.

718
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: It would be off upon anymore, be about what where

719
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: is he had in history?

720
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 3: That's right, all right, so right, right?

721
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 4: So if he wins that double champ, do you have

722
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 4: to put him now in the pantheon of greats?

723
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: In some degree it's an unfinished argument until we see

724
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: where Islam would go from there after losing his title.

725
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: Would there be an immediate rematch, could he come back

726
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: and win it again or be a long term contender.

727
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: But as the stock of Islam Mahachev right now, and

728
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: the fact that volkanowskis would be moving up in the way,

729
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: in the fact that Volkanovsky would be coming off a

730
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: calendar year in which he aided to some degree, of

731
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: course by the head kick loss for Usman. But even

732
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: if Usman didn't lose that he wondered if Volkonovsky would

733
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: have passed him on a POUM for pound level that

734
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: same year because he went in there okay, late replacement

735
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: against Korean Zombie, but showed an offensive intention and a

736
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: danger with his striking. Oh was formidable striker, But we

737
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: always talk more about the footwork, the game planning, the

738
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: wrestling and the anti wrestling everything about him. Dude, he

739
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: went in there and was like dangerous, and on top

740
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: of that, he went into a trilogy with Max Holloway

741
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: that was unnecessary and he didn't really necessarily want, but

742
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: we put the whole sport put a pressure on him,

743
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: and dude, he beat up and bloodied Max.

744
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: So damn. So you talk about like like.

745
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: Historically, I don't That's why I tried to transitionwise, I

746
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: don't know what this really means. I mean, we know

747
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: what it means in the sense that there's a handful

748
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: of greats that have been.

749
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: Two division champions.

750
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: You know, there's a Carmier, especially simultaneously, there's been you know,

751
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: newness in Cormier and Connor McGregor and even the suhudo,

752
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: And even though the feet slightly got watered down because

753
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: of the number of times it happened, you're still talking

754
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: about the greatest fighters in history. Shudo still has to

755
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: do a little bit more, but he's already put forth

756
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: a solid foundation Machev right now, and and and Alex would.

757
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: Be moving up in Wait Are you kidding me? If

758
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 2: he goes in there and wins that?

759
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 3: I mean, and that's an interesting one when you consider the.

760
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: Run he's on.

761
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: He's never lost in the UFC, He's always had a

762
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: wait in a potential dark moment against Ortega where he

763
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: could have lost. That could have been his GSP Sarah moment,

764
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,959
Speaker 1: even though I don't think. I don't think Sarah and

765
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: Ortega at the same level at that point, But you

766
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: get my point.

767
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: Damn dude, would it be?

768
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm trying to think.

769
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: Of moving up in wait, right, there's levels of getting

770
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: your second time the GSP moving up against Bisbeek right.

771
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 5: The man in noon is going to be the closest

772
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 5: because she went and beat Cyborg, which to me was

773
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 5: kind of like this right, like where you're like, well,

774
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 5: now you're gonna have a mountain to topple here, like

775
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 5: are you gonna be able to do that?

776
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: I think that would be it.

777
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 5: But the thing is, this isn't the women's featherweight, right,

778
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 5: like it would be there were a lot of guys

779
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 5: then who would want the beat, and we would get

780
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 5: to see what that means. But I think that that

781
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 5: would be it's got to be right up there. It's

782
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 5: got to be right up there.

783
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: Doing it already as the pump for pound number one.

784
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 5: Especially if he looked good doing it like he's been

785
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 5: because the last couple of fights, I mean, like you said,

786
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 5: there wasn't a big incentive. A lot of times you

787
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,719
Speaker 5: look at a guy going into a fight and you're like,

788
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 5: will he be able to get up for a third?

789
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 3: Max?

790
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 5: All the way fight he's beat him twice, even though

791
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 5: there's like some controversy or people talking in a different way,

792
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 5: and he puts him away even you know, more emphatically,

793
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 5: just dominates the fight.

794
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know.

795
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 5: I think if he has a very good showing that

796
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 5: you could probably have that conversation, right, it would be

797
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 5: more of a store. I think you're making historical you

798
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 5: would be doing that, which is kind of crazy because

799
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 5: both these guys have quietly reached these stations to the

800
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 5: point where, like I said, Volkonowski hasn't even had like

801
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 5: these these home field advantages where you can go home

802
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 5: and be celebrated for who he is really yet like

803
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 5: he's he's not even to that point, but you could

804
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 5: actually start to have that because it's been such a

805
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 5: quiet dominance for so long.

806
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 2: And it goes saying because we know it, but don't forget.

807
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: When Olivera fought Mahachev, it was the first time in

808
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: UFC history that that what win streak says as long

809
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,479
Speaker 1: as twelve for each fighter was part of it. And

810
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: now we go one more because Volkanowski has an even

811
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: longer win streak that this is the first time it's

812
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: even one up from there. So the level of rareness

813
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: and the historic elements to begin with for this fight, that.

814
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 3: Scene is going to be mad drop.

815
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 4: But if he wins both, he's gonna drop one because

816
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 4: he dropped the one forty five pound title because it's like, oh,

817
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 4: I defend by the whole shit you can't.

818
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: Know because look, because the key question that he has

819
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: to answer to us I think right now, until we

820
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: see this fight, it isn't as much although the argument

821
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: of even if he was already Islam's, wait, could he

822
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: still win this?

823
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: We don't know how great Mahachev is.

824
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: But when you add in the idea of him moving

825
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: up and weight, that's what he has to solve. So

826
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: if he goes in there and solves that becomes the

827
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: champion against arguably the toughest guy this division could produce.

828
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: You're right, why not just stay at one fifty five?

829
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: Because you just proved against the best guy.

830
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 4: I can beat Islam Markachev in your first fight at lightweight.

831
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: Stick around.

832
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: I want to ask you this question.

833
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: Look, because you're you have been a long time appreciator

834
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: of Volkanovski, and long before you know, I was.

835
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: I was skeptical for a while that that he was really.

836
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 3: Really the Luke Thomas experience.

837
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 4: Hey here's a very sensible idea, Fuck you motherfucker.

838
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. So six months later, Luke, you know you had

839
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 3: a point with that.

840
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: There's already an argument again just on a style level

841
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: and how good Matchev is and if he controls you

842
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: with his wrestling it may not matter anyway, but how

843
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: much does the weight in moving up and wait actually

844
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: play into whether Volkanovsky can win this fight because he

845
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: did used to weigh two hundred and twenty pounds.

846
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 4: Whatever the story, Yeah, we know that I think he

847
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 4: is strong for the weight class. For I think he

848
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 4: will still be strong for one to fifty five. Obviously,

849
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 4: have a low center of gravity. He'll be able to

850
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 4: scramble by. And I don't think from a pure strength perspective,

851
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 4: he's going to be able to overtime match Makachev, even Volcano,

852
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 4: excuse me, even Holloway had times where he could shut

853
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 4: him down or heavily nullify him.

854
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 3: Obviously, there were also times.

855
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 4: That that Wolkonowski broke through and got takedowns. But the

856
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 4: question for me is not really on the offensive side.

857
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 4: For him, it's merely a function of what will his

858
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 4: defensive work rate be once the grappling situations began. How

859
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 4: quickly can he advance even minor positions to build on

860
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 4: top of each other, to scramble on. How much can

861
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 4: he consistently do that while forcing trouble on Islam. So,

862
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 4: for example, imagine a round passes where Islam is really

863
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 4: trying to hold him down and does but just can't

864
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 4: really get any offense off right, then decides that was

865
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 4: really exhausting. I'm going to dial it back, and now

866
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 4: you're trading with Alex. His ability to disguise offenses second

867
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 4: to none, quite honestly, and that could become a problem.

868
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 4: But it's really I hate to oversimplify a fight between

869
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 4: two people so skilled, and I'm sure I am in

870
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 4: many ways, but honestly, either Volkanovsky can defensively wrestle enough

871
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 4: or he fucking cannot, and if he cannot, it's a wrap,

872
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 4: right him.

873
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: Well's it, He's okay, But let's let's yeah, you're right,

874
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: You're right, you at the end of the day, you're.

875
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 3: Right, Volkanovski.

876
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 4: Whatever, Okay, let's say this about we should make this

877
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 4: clear Markachev Again, I cannot overstate this that the game

878
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 4: plan that they had for Olivera was so good. It

879
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 4: was I know you didn't watch that video put out

880
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 4: because I put it on my private channel, but you should.

881
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: Because you're like, You're like, I'm just gonna we got

882
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: a lot of great success with MKY, but let me

883
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: also compete against my own chat.

884
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 4: I wasn't I'm not gonna be against I wasn't the

885
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 4: one who was told to put it there. Anyway, The

886
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,959
Speaker 4: point I'm trying to make is when you go through

887
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 4: you can see very clearly they knew exactly what punches

888
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 4: they would need in exactly what scenarios and do they

889
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 4: just pattern recognition, muscle memory, they knew exactly what to throw.

890
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 3: You're not going to get that with Volkovsky, You're not

891
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 3: going to.

892
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: Get well the wrestling. Ultimately, we think Dick takes who

893
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: wins this fight. I want to ask you about Islam

894
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: match of striking, because I do think against Olivera, in

895
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: addition to the insanely great game planning, I thought, from

896
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: what my eyes show me and people think my eyes

897
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: are just filthy casual, that dude he made a leap

898
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: in terms of his striking and the ways he was

899
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 1: able to use to know the left cross to her Olivera.

900
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: But to be fair, Olivera does get hurt, and it's almost,

901
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: in a weird way, part of his strategy to create

902
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: so much chaos and have him back and forth. That

903
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: can Mahachev strike on this level against Volkanovsky, which is

904
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: like going from checkers to chess.

905
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 5: I was just thinking, like, I think you're right too.

906
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 5: I don't think it's oversimplifying. I think that that's kind

907
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 5: of what the drama is up front, and if for

908
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 5: some reason Volkanovsky is thwarting those attempts or getting up

909
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 5: and it's hard to imagine like him getting up easily

910
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 5: has he's done in the past. But if he's able

911
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 5: to do that, it's one of those fights where you're like,

912
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 5: it could be Islam early Volkanowski late, you know what

913
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 5: I mean, Like where it's like where just Volkanozi just

914
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 5: starts to wear you down once he breaks your spirit

915
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 5: a little bit, shows you can't do that.

916
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 3: He went exactly figure out and anticipate him.

917
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 2: Look at the second Max fight. He when the last

918
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 2: three rounds right, he came on.

919
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 4: Yes, he got dropped or they didn't counter a fight metric,

920
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 4: but he basically got dropped twice.

921
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: Interesting stuff. We just cut you off there because this

922
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: didn't answer my question.

923
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's one thing that my eyes

924
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: can tell me against Olivera that Islam striking did make

925
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: a leap. But even if even if it did, is

926
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: it on the level to compete If the wrestling does

927
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: get taken, he's.

928
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 5: Actually right now a higher percent of like efficiency of

929
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 5: a striker. But of course, like we we can see,

930
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 5: we've watched Volkanovsky, we know what he does, and I

931
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 5: think that his striking setups and everything is combos just

932
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 5: the unpredictability.

933
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, all of that stuff.

934
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 5: I'm like, I just think that he brings something that

935
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 5: nobody's bringing right now. I mean, he's just his his style,

936
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 5: his pressure, and just the mix the mixing up of

937
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 5: attacks is a lot. So I would be surprised if

938
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 5: MAKA Jeff is able to like just stand in there

939
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 5: and trade with him and not you know, clench and.

940
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 3: Try to make it dirty. He's not going to trade

941
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 3: with him, right, That's that for very long? Yeah, for

942
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 3: very long.

943
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 5: So, I mean, but these are all fascinating layers, especially

944
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 5: because I do think that Islam I think you're a

945
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 5: so you're.

946
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 3: Right, both guys are supose to read.

947
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 5: But I'd really doubt though that Islam is going to

948
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 5: fall into that Ronda Rousey trap and believe that he's

949
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 5: going to outstrike. No, what I mean, I don't think

950
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 5: that he's going to do something like that.

951
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,479
Speaker 1: Dude, he makes good decisions, yeah, and he really does natural.

952
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 5: But I wanted to going back on the tape and

953
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 5: just kind of watching, I'm like, that's what I realized.

954
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 3: He's smart, very smart guy. And again I want to

955
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 3: say it.

956
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 4: We've been talking about the AKA guys and how good

957
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 4: they've been and Tiam Habib the the Freestyle Fidy Academy

958
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 4: and I think that's the name of the gym, and

959
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 4: as well as obviously a City kickboxing. The two s

960
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 4: would have combined the ones that he had from Australia.

961
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 4: His old coach I think his name is got fuck

962
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 4: Joe or Ties. I forget his name, Please forgive me.

963
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,959
Speaker 4: I'll double check on this, but in any case, having

964
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 4: his old coach and then obviously you know Eugene Berman.

965
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 3: Of the City Kickboxing.

966
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 4: Dude, we're talking collectively between the AK guys and all

967
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 4: those guys, we're talking like two of the I know

968
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 4: that people know this the very best teams, but I

969
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 4: mean in terms of game planning and which teas get

970
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 4: crossed and which eyes get dotted, these are the two

971
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 4: best teams maybe in all of the sport. Like we're

972
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 4: just talking a level of game planning and specificity that

973
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 4: is very much ahead of their contemporaries.

974
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 3: And dude, as a guy who absorbs it and does

975
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 3: it executes it.

976
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: Yes, And the guy in Volkonowsky who absorbed against Ortega

977
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: punishment was in a precarious situations and was so calm

978
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: and cool that that does add to the equation of

979
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: why I can't wait to see this fight and who

980
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: could cancel each other?

981
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: Who can get out of bad situations?

982
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 3: Damn man that it's the most anticipated fight of the

983
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: first quarter of Yes, this is more than gone.

984
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 4: And John, well, I guess that one's much bigger from

985
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 4: a promotional standpoint, just before John's been, you know, done

986
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 4: something to other.

987
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: So whether or not whether or not you believe Mahachev

988
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: is number two pund for pounds UFCA or four, as

989
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: I say, or anything around three, four, five, six can

990
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to think of fights in history that

991
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: either that either were in some argument one versus two.

992
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 2: Pound for pound or one of Saint Pierre versus BJ

993
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: two top five guys at least, what were the most

994
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: recent top five guys?

995
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 4: I mean trying to think, you know, but the first

996
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 4: big one was Saint Pierre Penn. Yeah, well not the

997
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 4: first Saint pre Pen, which was Pen's return to the

998
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 4: organization after being on a bit of a sojourn.

999
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 3: I think that's right.

1000
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 4: But it was actually their second meeting when one was like, yeah,

1001
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 4: so it was a Champ Champ fight actually, and uh

1002
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 4: Penn got handled.

1003
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he made the mistake of saying beforehand to GSP

1004
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: that only a bitch taps on strikes.

1005
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 3: The closest probably Karmier Jones, right, like in terms of

1006
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: Cormee Jones, Yeah, in terms of the guys who are

1007
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 3: maybe at the very top of the pound for pound

1008
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: list kind of going at it. Yeah, at the moment,

1009
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: that would be a rare man. We didn't have a

1010
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 3: pound for pound list at the time.

1011
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 4: Out of the GSP's rivals like host Check a little

1012
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 4: bit there, some of the cour and well Katur and

1013
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 4: Ladell at the time there that the title was changing hands.

1014
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 4: You could have argued then as well. Again we didn't

1015
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 4: have official pound for pound rankings, but something like that. Nevertheless,

1016
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 4: we do have another fight on this card that is

1017
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 4: quite good that we should spend some time on, namely

1018
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 4: your co main event. It is an interim featherweight title

1019
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 4: because the featherweight champions got a little bit of business

1020
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 4: business to do in the main event. But it's when

1021
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 4: Rodriguez takes on Josh Emmett for the interim featherweight strap,

1022
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 4: and I got to tell you love it.

1023
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 3: They just don't come much more explosive BC.

1024
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 4: I'm not sure that the two very best guys out

1025
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 4: of featherweight, although maybe we'll see, but I'm pretty sure

1026
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 4: that they're extremely high level and they're going to shore

1027
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 4: false kill each other.

1028
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: They're gonna try at least, and it's like, you love

1029
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: seeing somebody hardworking who's been overlooked before.

1030
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: And Josh Emmett get this.

1031
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: It's not for the full title, but it's close enough

1032
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: for the interim title. The winner is going to get

1033
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: a big title shot, and it's a big opportunity. And dude,

1034
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: you know the guy's had to go through hell to

1035
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: get to this point.

1036
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 2: And whether or not you thought.

1037
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: What was the real close fight IMT had on this journey,

1038
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: it's Calvin Cater and you could certainly make a case

1039
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: in that regard. But dude, a guy who's figured out

1040
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: through some crazy injuries and setbacks in our Room Service diaries.

1041
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: Interview with him just allowed me to understand on another

1042
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: level how how his mental toughness, in his drive, in

1043
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 1: his will is of the of the second to none

1044
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: warrior elite status. But to win this fight, if you're Josh,

1045
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: I meant you have to willingly walk into hell, which

1046
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 1: is replaced that he loves to go in these fights,

1047
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: and it's almost his game plan.

1048
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 2: Man, But you're going in there with a guy who's

1049
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: very you.

1050
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: Know he has he has a special set of skills

1051
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: for this exact type of fight. In Yeahia Rodriguez, who

1052
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: I still don't like really know how great he is.

1053
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: But dude, the fight he wanted to get to this point.

1054
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: Let's be honest.

1055
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: It was finally that that was against take It was

1056
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: finally against to me, it was finally like, Okay, he

1057
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: really is ready. This is really his time. Let's see

1058
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: if he can get to the title level. I don't

1059
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: see any other way where if Josh Emma's gonna win

1060
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: this that he doesn't have to go.

1061
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: Through a horror movie to get there. Dude, this is

1062
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 2: gonna be He's.

1063
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 4: Gonna be wild, He's gonna get disfigured to win this.

1064
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 3: Uh.

1065
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 5: His level of perseverance really is the thing, right, Like,

1066
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 5: I really believe he's just in his life. You're talking

1067
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 5: about the injuries, but even in his fights, I mean

1068
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 5: the Calvin Cator fight, he was outstruck cumulative Actually, I

1069
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 5: think the last three of his fice he was cumulatively

1070
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 5: outstruck on all of them, and he won them all.

1071
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 5: Somehow because he turns it on when he needs to,

1072
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 5: he makes it ugly when he needs to.

1073
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 3: He's prow Yeah, he is one hundred percent.

1074
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 5: He was losing before during the streak, but the beginning

1075
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 5: of the streak against Michael Johnson, remember that fight, He's

1076
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 5: losing a very lackluster fight. They're barely engaging, but he's

1077
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 5: just waiting for that one shot and he won one

1078
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 5: punch chaozm like with a minute to go in the fight.

1079
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 5: I mean, he's just never out of the fight, and

1080
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 5: that adds a level of dramas to I think that

1081
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 5: he's he never he believes in himself, and that's always

1082
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 5: a that's a fun thing to watch. He's thirty seven

1083
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 5: years old. He probably doesn't get back here again. No,

1084
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 5: this is his shot again.

1085
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: No, And he almost didn't get the shot.

1086
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: To be fair, he probably you know, he could have

1087
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: just easily been offered a number another number one contender's

1088
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: ish fight and could have another war with a cater

1089
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: type guy and could come up empty on the scorecards

1090
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: in a close fight.

1091
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 2: I mean, he almost didn't get here.

1092
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: But the fact that he did, and the fact that

1093
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: certain key parts of luck needed to align for him

1094
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: to get to this point, and the fact that you

1095
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 1: say he has not only next level beef in himself

1096
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: in mental toughness and forget willing to take unpunishment. It's

1097
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: like the only way he knows how. That's a very

1098
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: dangerous and tangible to have. And as much as as

1099
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: Yayir is as explosive and insane and like Charles Olivera,

1100
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: you know, can can make such great decisions within chaos

1101
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: unlike anybody else. Dude, you are going to have to

1102
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: remove physically from this fight to beat him, right.

1103
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's kind of funny to two things

1104
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 3: real quickly.

1105
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 4: By the way, just a correction on me for the

1106
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 4: coach for Volkanowski is Joe Lopez, So that's the first thing. Secondly,

1107
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 4: you know what I love about this fight is and

1108
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 4: you would think this would be with the Gair, but

1109
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 4: it's really not the case. Neither one was exactly the

1110
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 4: favorite son of the UFC. Right Yair was for a

1111
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 4: time but then fell out. They cut him in a

1112
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 4: huge thing. He found his way back, He really worked

1113
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 4: on his craft, nearly got beaten by Korean Zombie before

1114
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 4: doing fucking Ninja magic. But you know he's definitely had,

1115
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 4: and he had that weird fight in Mexico City with

1116
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 4: Jeremy Stevens, And there's just a bunch of time where

1117
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 4: it's been like he's definitely very important for the promotest

1118
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 4: one right because of the injury. It's it's just been

1119
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 4: weird with him a little bit. And and Emmett is

1120
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 4: the guy who, I mean, his style just speaks to

1121
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 4: his life story. He's actually very clever, offensively uses movement

1122
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 4: in big power, but defensively.

1123
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 3: Not that great kind of gets hit a little bit.

1124
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 4: But then just fucking wills through it and then finds

1125
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 4: a way to bring it all together.

1126
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 3: But neither was a promotional darling.

1127
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 4: And here they have found themselves much later in his

1128
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 4: athletic life obviously for a guy like Emmett.

1129
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 3: To get here. I love those stories.

1130
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 4: I love the stories when someone was never the favorite

1131
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 4: sun right, and then Jeff even like highlighted never really

1132
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 4: a yeah, to be fair, ye was highlighted was I

1133
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 4: was talking about.

1134
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,959
Speaker 5: Emmett was never really highlighted through his career. It wasn't

1135
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 5: like they were throwing him on like fight night main events.

1136
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 5: I mean, he I think the last one was, but

1137
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 5: before then it was kind of like, he's just a

1138
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 5: guy on a car.

1139
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 3: Dude.

1140
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 4: I remember seeing him the first time it was one

1141
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 4: of his fights, and then the next time I saw

1142
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 4: him was on a podcast I listened to in the

1143
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 4: Strength World. Mark Bell's his powercast at the time with

1144
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 4: Silent Mike, and he had he had fucking Josh emmitt

1145
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 4: On and I'm like, oh, that's a bit of a

1146
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 4: cool story. This is all right, But like he was

1147
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 4: just a guy that they had at the time, you know.

1148
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 1: By the way, You're right, the Rodriguez fight against Ortega

1149
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,439
Speaker 1: was ended early with the shoulder injury him. I did

1150
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: think in the short piece that we saw, yeah, here

1151
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: is at another level. But it was the Max Holloway fight,

1152
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 1: which was a loss that I meant to really reference.

1153
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: That showed me, even in a loss, that he is

1154
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: truly ready for this elite level. Let's not forget especially

1155
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: was it the first round. Dude, he put shots on

1156
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: Holloway that would have finished any weird.

1157
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 5: He's got another gear too, That's what makes it. That's

1158
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 5: what makes this one kind of fun. I mean, because yeah,

1159
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 5: you're like, you kind of look back at his career,

1160
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 5: he's kind of been a lone wolf of like nomadic

1161
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 5: presence and the kind of does Matt March is to

1162
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 5: you know, his own beat all that sort of thing

1163
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 5: shows up not as prolifically as you think he will,

1164
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 5: but here he is in the spot. It's just he's

1165
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 5: a weird guy. But his fights often turned into performance

1166
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 5: of the Knights because he just won't quit either. I mean,

1167
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 5: he just keeps braining it and that's combustible, right, Like

1168
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 5: when you think about that, that type of matchup, it's

1169
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 5: it's pretty crazy.

1170
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 3: Do you think they made the right call?

1171
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 5: I mean I know that in the end, Like at

1172
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 5: first I did not think that this was the right

1173
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 5: fight to make, but as it's gone on, I feel

1174
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 5: I would have been happy.

1175
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 3: Giving emmitta title shot against Volkanovsky.

1176
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, but given what we talked to Josh Immitt the

1177
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 4: week of the third Volkanovsky Holloway fight, and just given

1178
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 4: how well Volkanowski beat Holloway, then what Islam did against

1179
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 4: Charles making that fight very important and very interesting, meaning

1180
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 4: he can't defend it now it makes sense. Also, Yeah,

1181
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 4: it's not Yeahyr's fault that Ortega shoulder did what it did,

1182
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 4: and who's to say what it would have meant, but

1183
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 4: he was piecing Ortega up before that.

1184
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 3: Let's not forget him.

1185
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 4: And so it's like to me, man, I you know

1186
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 4: again to your point, I love the way you put it,

1187
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 4: the nomadic sort of style of those or identity of

1188
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 4: a guy like yeah, but at the same time so creative,

1189
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 4: so artistic. You know what I love about his style.

1190
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 4: It's very lashy but also fucking mean. You know, a

1191
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 4: lot of the mean guys are control you put your

1192
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 4: hands on you types, you know, and he's more you know,

1193
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 4: fucking wow all that. That's what he's doing, and it

1194
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 4: just is both acrobatic at the same time devastating. I

1195
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 4: love that combination. That's a rare combination and a guy

1196
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 4: plus he doesn't like like wonder where Thompson has more

1197
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 4: recent fights, he's been getting touched up a little bit,

1198
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 4: but he does a lot of the touch and go

1199
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 4: not I hear like.

1200
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 3: He will absolutely stand in there.

1201
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 4: And like give and trade like he's fucking He's also

1202
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 4: got that Mexican.

1203
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 3: Boxer spirit in, you know.

1204
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 4: So he's this brilliant combination that makes them unruly and

1205
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 4: probably for the UFC a little bit hard to corral

1206
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 4: or whatever.

1207
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 3: But it's so unique and it's so fun.

1208
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 1: It makes me fear for the any potential scar tissue

1209
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: on Josh Emmon's face and you know, in the future

1210
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: of his heart and all that.

1211
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 3: Uh.

1212
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: But you know, Emmett told himself on the r sticoch

1213
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: he almost like dumbed down to Stalin, was like, no,

1214
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: this is what I do every find.

1215
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, we said what his game plan was.

1216
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 4: He's like, Eh, you think come out there and throw

1217
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 4: just kind of rock with it. It's hilarious to me

1218
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 4: that he can't wrestle. If you go back and watch

1219
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 4: like his that's what I mean question. But you're always like, dude,

1220
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 4: wouldn't why not just nix some of that?

1221
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 5: And like he just wants to go out there and

1222
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 5: bang like you're saying, but like he's looking for those

1223
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 5: shots and he'll take them to get them.

1224
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 3: But I'm like, sometimes I'm like, dude, just take the

1225
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 3: guy down and beat.

1226
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: Was If you get into this type of war with

1227
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: the iEAR that that that he's just used to getting in,

1228
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: meaning Emmett, I don't know if that's I don't know

1229
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: if that's gonna work.

1230
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: Dude, I don't know.

1231
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 1: I would make you can outlast this guy in a war,

1232
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: because yeah, here is that explosive, flashy and just loves

1233
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: that ship. You gotta go back, you gotta take him down.

1234
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: What's the year's history with takedown defense on this level here?

1235
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 3: I have to look up the numbers. I'm not sure.

1236
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously Frankie Edgar came him the business quite

1237
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 4: a while after he has been I would say his

1238
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 4: you know, I would call it, uh porous, it's porous.

1239
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, he got blast. It was like he had like

1240
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 5: I remember that fight very specifically. He had like it's

1241
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 5: been some time in Fairness fifteen up. He even sorbed,

1242
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 5: like even Max got him down and was able to pass.

1243
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 5: Remember to Mount I believe for a time. So I mean,

1244
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 5: I'm just saying it's there for the right guy, it's there. Well, Emmett,

1245
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 5: I think if he's getting pieced up and and again

1246
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 5: I think that Emmett tends to get pieced up a

1247
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 5: little bit. He's one of those guys who kind of

1248
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 5: activates in a fight when he's feeling it, you know,

1249
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 5: and starts to bleed. But at the same time, I'm like,

1250
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 5: if I'm feeling that and it's going a certain way,

1251
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 5: I'm not going to let the gold slip through my hands,

1252
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. I was incorporate some of that,

1253
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 5: make it a little ugly, take him down here, you

1254
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 5: know what I mean, Mix.

1255
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 4: It up a little bit. He's one of those guys

1256
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 4: and it comes from to the Atlas. Dustin Porriy has

1257
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 4: made it more famous recently. But it's like, you know,

1258
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 4: basically thirty minutes to make life fair or whatever the

1259
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 4: length of the out and he's one of the I know,

1260
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 4: it's a great thing. I was like, dude, he's one

1261
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 4: of those guys who's trying to make life fair and

1262
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 4: when you have a hunger like that, plus his athletic ability,

1263
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 4: plus again he uses a lot of motion to set

1264
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 4: up and get out of in and out of opportunities,

1265
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 4: which is clever, which is modern. He doesn't have a

1266
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 4: modern skill set. You just so to sleep on a gardle.

1267
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: That's why it's rare at this level that we would

1268
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: bring up an intangible and comparing the guys and say, well,

1269
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: this guy really wants to win it really bad. But dude,

1270
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: that's a superpower for em and it fuels his offensive,

1271
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: fuels his style. It's dangerous and it brings on a

1272
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: lot of cuts and you know, swelling and aggressiveness.

1273
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 2: But like, dude, you if you're if you're Rodriguez, going

1274
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 2: to knock him out.

1275
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 3: Coold to be. They really need a tidy something.

1276
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 5: Something has to happen that's tidy and understandable and relatable, right,

1277
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 5: Like it has to be definitive.

1278
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 3: It has to be definitive whatever happens.

1279
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 5: If there's some weird controversy to this fight with Arnold

1280
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 5: Allen kind of out there and now the vacant you know,

1281
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 5: like for the interim, I just I want that division

1282
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 5: to finally kind of get some clarity again. And I

1283
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 5: feel like givin yea or especially like his thing and

1284
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 5: the split decision with with Cater for the other side,

1285
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 5: it could be another weird one. It could there could

1286
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 5: be some weird scorecard or something. It could be a

1287
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 5: controversy that way. I guess my only rooting interest in

1288
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 5: that is this that it's there, we're clear, right, because

1289
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 5: then the next fight tells you the next part of

1290
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 5: the story, whether it's gonna be vulcan you know what

1291
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 5: I mean, becomes exactly or if it just becomes the

1292
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 5: full thing.

1293
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of drama just in the build

1294
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 3: up to the car.

1295
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: That's a good point there is there is a connection

1296
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: there with the main event in that regard where what.

1297
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 4: Would you rather have the winner fight Vulcan? I mean,

1298
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 4: I guess you would always rather have the winner fight

1299
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 4: the champion if to unify, But if Vulk beats Islam,

1300
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 4: It's like, what's the fucking point, right?

1301
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:21,439
Speaker 2: It's hard.

1302
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:25,439
Speaker 1: It's like knowing Emmett's story so intimately from interviewing him,

1303
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: and it's like, man, it's hard not to cheer for him.

1304
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:29,879
Speaker 1: But which matchup would I'd rather see?

1305
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: Dude?

1306
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: I would love to see if Yayer gets this done

1307
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: against Volkanovsky.

1308
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 3: That would be a good fight.

1309
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: You know, in terms of the remaining opponents left for Volkanowski,

1310
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: whether or not he wins a second championship. But you know,

1311
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: uh that that's a great ass fight. Do you think

1312
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 1: that that we're building to? And I don't think it's

1313
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: a foregne coclusion who wins that fight? I'm just saying

1314
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: if that ends up being the way, I wouldn't mind

1315
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 1: seeing that this Particularly.

1316
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 5: I Volkowski wins a foregone that he's just staying you

1317
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 5: think you really just he he wouldn't try to do

1318
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 5: both if all the people said that they would do

1319
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 5: it depends on the use of the I went and

1320
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 5: made weight for a fight.

1321
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 4: He wasn't going to be in, you know, like Volkanovski.

1322
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 4: Like it's just the reality of like if you get

1323
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 4: injured like to do. But if everybody could play it

1324
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 4: for maybe like a little stretch, maybe it maybe a little.

1325
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: Depends if the promotion allows him. Let's be fair about

1326
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: the history of this, Amanda Newness. There's nobody in either

1327
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 1: division for long stretches. She kinda was just allowed. She

1328
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: can chill populate both. Connor was forced to make an

1329
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 1: instant decision. They let him hang on to the belt

1330
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: a long time when he.

1331
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 2: Was inactive quote Cormier.

1332
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: They basically stripped the second one from him pretty quickly

1333
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: and made him pick and choose.

1334
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 3: So here's the other part too.

1335
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 4: If he ends up beating if Folk ends up beating Islam, right,

1336
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,280
Speaker 4: and so now they want to make whoever wins between

1337
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 4: Emmett and uh your hear the main champion, dude, Old

1338
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 4: Max Holloway's got brand new light.

1339
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 3: That's what happened.

1340
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 4: So Max Max already fucking beat Yeah, hear and you

1341
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 4: know im it would be a tough fight. I think

1342
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 4: we'd all agree, but that's very winnable for Max. So

1343
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 4: then you're right back to I mean, you know, Max's

1344
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 4: career has looked very uncertain to this point since losing.

1345
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 3: There's a lot of ways where he can have a

1346
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 3: great opportunity.

1347
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 4: Time. I got to do his chill out man, just

1348
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 4: hang out on the sidelines to see what has to

1349
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 4: let the brain heal.

1350
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: Vision has to be cheering for Volkanowski to win this

1351
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 1: man event, Yeah, dude, because he's.

1352
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 4: So much dude the way I mean this breaks my

1353
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 4: heart to say, because I love Max as a person,

1354
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 4: as a fighter, as a figure to cover, but he

1355
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 4: got too huh you like shoot too?

1356
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, we go.

1357
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 4: I get along great with him, but dude, I hate

1358
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 4: to say he got dummied by Volkanovski in that third fight.

1359
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 4: He just him and his team. They're all smart guys. Yeah,

1360
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 4: they just didn't know what to do. They must be like, go.

1361
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 3: Beat that fucking guy's ass from Russia. Please just leave.

1362
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:36,959
Speaker 1: You ever see the movie Booty Call when they're watching

1363
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: those rhinos go out and tell me David's like wax

1364
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: that four thousand pounds.

1365
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 2: That's what I think about when you say that.

1366
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 3: All right, well, reference fights when you're watching movies like that.

1367
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: Hey yeah yeah, around me a lot of yeah yeah.

1368
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 3: We just have a few minutes left very quickly.

1369
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 4: Also in this car, one of the interesting fights, Randy

1370
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 4: Brown taking on Australia native talk about going out the

1371
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 4: honest ness, Yeah, Jack Dale Madelena, who had a I

1372
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 4: think he went to a decision or what is like

1373
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 4: the third round on his Contender series about and has

1374
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 4: since just one round dusted everyone off. Looked incredible, as

1375
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 4: was recent fight previous to that had beaten Ramzan Emive.

1376
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,240
Speaker 3: Just looks like a phenomenal strike.

1377
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: Hardest question, hardest question I can ask you about this fight.

1378
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take the reins from you, all right, Okay,

1379
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 2: this is a tough fish fight in Randy Brown. Okay,

1380
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 2: but he's getting.

1381
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: Jack mister mister Bob Doublina is getting Bob a big featured.

1382
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 2: Placement out here in his home city. As you mentioned, right,

1383
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:34,760
Speaker 2: is this the down under Patty?

1384
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: And I don't mean I'm not saying is no, but

1385
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: only in tern only in terms of he's just like

1386
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: Patty just got a big opportunity in a comaine out

1387
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: of a pay per view. This isn't a comane, but

1388
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: it's a big push for Jack Fellow Madeline, who showed

1389
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: us a lot.

1390
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 3: I think you made the point before we started taping.

1391
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 3: You go ahead, you can take it. What a wow?

1392
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 3: What a silly ask question.

1393
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: I'm not okay, but you misinterpret the meaning of I'm not.

1394
00:55:58,640 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: I'm basically saying, is this.

1395
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,439
Speaker 4: Down under Patty? First of all, it just sounds bad.

1396
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 4: I mean, this is a three words you could put

1397
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 4: together like it?

1398
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 3: But no, he is?

1399
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: Are they giving him the Patty placement spot to go

1400
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: out there and shine?

1401
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 4: Randy Brown is tougher than any opponent, and Jared Gordon's good,

1402
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 4: But Randy Brown is tougher than any opponent Patty has faced.

1403
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 3: But even relatively speaking, like, no, Randy Brown is good.

1404
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 3: Who's on a nice street? Right?

1405
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,439
Speaker 2: Answer, this is how much he finished interviews? Right?

1406
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 3: Jesus say what how much he charges for interviews? That's

1407
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 3: that's all funny.

1408
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 4: That would be the comparison I know he finished off

1409
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 4: alex Olavera like dude, Randy Brown has put together a

1410
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 4: very commendable run here, and he can strike.

1411
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 3: He's very he's very.

1412
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 4: Rangy, probably at the peak of his powers. On probably

1413
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 4: this is probably this is the best I've ever seen,

1414
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 4: to be clear. Uh, But Jack Dale Madelena is very good.

1415
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 2: Dude. His his people think I say the stupidest things.

1416
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: I know that, but his aura screams that he's that

1417
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: he's competent and ready for big things.

1418
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, there is a question about his broader skill set

1419
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 4: how he mixes it all together, but just on his

1420
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 4: box boxing, like, oh my god, his boxing is fucking well.

1421
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 5: The great thing about him is if he does do

1422
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 5: it and treats it as a turnstile, fight goes right

1423
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 5: through Randy and like has that home crowd experience. I

1424
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 5: think that'll translate big and then unlike Patty, I think

1425
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 5: the uf SEE could actually begin the escalation for him

1426
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 5: right like you could begin the real escalation, be like

1427
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 5: put him against the top, uh you know fifteen guy, Yes,

1428
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 5: you know, on and on. That's the big difference with Patty.

1429
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 5: I just I feel like he's nowhere near ready for that,

1430
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. And also I wanted you

1431
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 5: to say what you said back before we started with

1432
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 5: you have.

1433
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 3: The ball right, Well, I forgot what it is at

1434
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 3: this point. It was something online. So the difference is

1435
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 3: that Jack does Jack is good, Yeah, he's actually good.

1436
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 4: Patty is not bad. But Patty is really good on

1437
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 4: the ground. And that's really about it, right, exactly, that's it.

1438
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 3: Jack.

1439
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 4: We don't know the full breadth of his game, but

1440
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 4: on his feet he is very, very talented.

1441
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: It was his way around the weight room too, not

1442
00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: necessarily the backzilla like es you know, which may get

1443
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: in the can.

1444
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 3: But he's pretty young too, right, He's like, I think

1445
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 3: he's a twenty seven but still young.

1446
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 5: I mean, not even not to his prime. And he's

1447
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 5: probably gonna stack some fights here. I mean, he's kind

1448
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 5: of set up to be a pretty good sensation. I mean,

1449
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 5: who's in a perth. I mean he's gonna.

1450
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: He's guy in which in a division in which two

1451
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: of the three biggest names are Oceanic all time greats

1452
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: in this in this in this era.

1453
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 4: All right, So let's quickly run through the rest of

1454
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 4: these fights here, see what you guys think.

1455
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 2: There's not much else to talk about, Luke, No, there's not.

1456
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 3: Just in taugha park reporter, anyone care.

1457
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: Well Park reporters from hard for Connecticut shout out, oh,

1458
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: you know what, I may have read that.

1459
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 3: I may have read it wrong, so hold on.

1460
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 4: So the main card might open with Jimmy Crute versus Menifield.

1461
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 3: That makes sense.

1462
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 4: So that's that's a weird fight because Minifield, I think,

1463
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 4: is a great athlete with dynamic power and fast hands.

1464
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 4: I'm not sure there's a whole lot else behind that

1465
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 4: and crude Eitherer famine, Yeah, exactly.

1466
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 3: Crew. It's either like shining or just kind of getting

1467
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 3: run over a little bit.

1468
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: When are you going to contest my standing of king

1469
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: of Connecticut in the m M A space, not you know,

1470
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: compared to Glover who when he won the title he

1471
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: from me or you know you can I mean you

1472
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: talked to Brendan Ward, another guy with Connecticut magic there.

1473
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: But you know, Dana White was born in Manchester, Connecticut, right,

1474
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people.

1475
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,479
Speaker 3: I was born in New Delhi, India, A big deal

1476
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 3: and you also yes, wow, yeah, And he won't right.

1477
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: He tries to claim he tries to claim that because

1478
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: he was born in the American Embassy.

1479
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 3: And it was actually born the British High Commission.

1480
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: Because he was born in the British High Commission that

1481
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: he wasn't technically born in India even though it's within

1482
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: the Damn you know.

1483
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 3: It says New Delhi on my passport.

1484
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 2: Because you stepped in that building in sovereign territories. It's

1485
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 2: like on a cruise where I could do anything.

1486
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 3: It is diplomatic territory. But obviously once you're off that,

1487
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 3: you're on, Like, what do you remember about it? Was

1488
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 3: it a I left it six months old? So nothing?

1489
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 2: He lived? He lived in Doha and japan Ja.

1490
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, damn nice crazy man, but I've had a stupid life.

1491
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 3: It's really weird. Yeah, now you travel to place. There

1492
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 3: was a guy.

1493
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 4: There was a guy on my freshman high school, uh sorry,

1494
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 4: my freshman college. My freshman college dorm hall at the

1495
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 4: end of the hall. He was fully American but went

1496
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 4: to the Thai International School for American Like who there's kids.

1497
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 4: His dad was like a big telecom guy, and so

1498
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 4: they sent him to like the American school.

1499
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 3: It's like, I was like, so you grew up in Bangkok.

1500
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 3: He's like, I've been in Bangkok for eighteen fucking years. Wow.

1501
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 3: But he was like fully American, like had no accent,

1502
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 3: like nothing.

1503
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 2: What's your full name again, it's fantastic.

1504
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 4: But George Charles Mindon Hall the fourth, what is the

1505
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 4: shouldn't you like do it sounds like a slave older name?

1506
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, since you are a

1507
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: descendant of like legitimate Colorado mountain men, who was George

1508
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: Charles Minden Hall the first and what was his story?

1509
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 3: He lived in the Letdow, COLORADAO.

1510
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 5: He lived in Leadville, Colorado, and he got blown up

1511
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 5: in a mine at nineteen twenty six.

1512
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 2: Damn was his dad eighteen forty nine er?

1513
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 3: And his dad? Yeah? Yeah, his dad was George.

1514
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 5: The second, my grandfather, and he grew up in Leadville.

1515
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 5: It was all mountain, all the mountain people.

1516
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 2: You know George the first dad? Was he a gold rusher?

1517
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 3: Uh?

1518
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 5: You know, I don't have a ton of inform it.

1519
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 5: He was the immigrant though, the father. Yeah, anyway, this

1520
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 5: is this is not.

1521
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 2: I bet they didn't respect take a dump they didn't.

1522
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: I bet George are first didn't respect prohibition.

1523
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 2: Damn there, Oh.

1524
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, that's not all right. Where can

1525
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 3: folks find your work?

1526
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 5: M the myth dot com, m I t H or checkout?

1527
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 5: Yeah I wanted that hat. Uh give me one of

1528
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 5: those bad boys or or what else? The Ringer m

1529
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 5: M a show which happens around every event pretty much,

1530
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 5: so every Thursday, sometimes Friday for the wands and then

1531
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 5: after the shows a lot of times.

1532
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go.

1533
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 2: Can you can find my work in a few places?

1534
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 3: Is where it is? Was it friendly pipes? What's the

1535
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 3: name of only pipes?

1536
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 2: We can watch my pictreon? Well, how about this targraphic?

1537
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 2: That was good?

1538
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 3: I gotta say it was actually pretty good. It wasn't sweet?

1539
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 3: It was sweet?

1540
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, quite literally, It's like like it's sweet to the

1541
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 4: what's what's these.

1542
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 2: This Asian writing here? What the fun?

1543
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 3: Do I look like a translator? Is it supposed to

1544
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 3: be like some kind of hybrid?

1545
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 4: So it's it's supposed to be blended Japanese whiskey, Bob, Yeah, twenties.

1546
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 3: We just has to come from the bourbon, right, like, yeah, eighty.

1547
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: Percent Indiana straight Bourbon whiskey, twenty percent Japanese whisky.

1548
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 4: There, Well, it's not cheap. Brendan, Jesus, you can say that.

1549
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: You know, Brendan, you should get some get a Delta eighth,

1550
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: Delta eight spin offs of the show Tiger if he

1551
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: gets if he makes Tiger High, Tiger Thick Craton.

1552
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 4: I love that, sell that, but uh okay, that's it

1553
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 4: for us. That's Brian Campbell, that's Chuckman and all On,

1554
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 4: Luke Thomas. This has been your UFC two eighty four

1555
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 4: pregame preview. We're out, we're done, it's over for us.

1556
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:32,919
Speaker 4: Enjoy the fire.

1557
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like Ben Wood or something. Yeah,