WEBVTT - The Truth with Lisa Boothe: Under His Wings with Emily Compagno 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:04.000 This week, as we celebrate the true meaning of Christmas, 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:06.480 the birth of Jesus Christ, I want to stay on 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:09.400 faith and the role of God and our country. So 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:12.680 we're going to talk about a really important book that 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:15.040 just came out. We're going to interview the author of 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:17.759 the book. The book is called Under His Wings, How 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:21.479 Faith on the front Lines Has Protected American Troops. It 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:25.320 is a celebration of faith and freedom, sharing first person 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:28.640 accounts that show the profound role the belief in God 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:31.840 has played in the lives of US military service members 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:34.680 as they have served in combat from World War One 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:39.519 to today, commemorating the courage, camaraderie, spirit and sacrifice of 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:43.279 America's heroes. You're probably very familiar with the author. Her 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:46.520 name is Emily Campano. She's a friend and a colleague 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:49.240 of mine. She's also the co host of Fox News 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:53.320 is Outnumbered. She has a podcast called The Fox True 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:57.800 Crime Podcast with Emily Campano. But most importantly in reference 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:01.280 to this episode, she is the author this amazing book. 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:04.400 Clearly the rest of America agrees. It is a New 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:07.560 York Times bestseller the very first week it went on sale. 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:09.520 But we're going to talk about this book talk about 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:12.360 her life, how she got into TV as well. Prior 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:15.000 to that, she served as an attorney in the federal government, 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:18.400 also practiced criminal defense and civil litigation. So we'll talk 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.560 about her time in the law, how she got into TV, 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:25.880 and this just very very special book, why it means 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:27.959 so much to her, why she decided to write it, 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:31.039 why it's so special, So stay tuned for that. And 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:39.120 Lee Campanno, Well, Emily, I'm so excited to have you 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:42.280 on this show. I appreciate you taking the time. I 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:45.160 always love being on with you when I'm on Outnumbered, 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:46.679 And I'm just so excited. 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:49.960 Lisa, you are the best, and the honor and pleasure 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:51.120 are all mine, believe me. 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:52.680 Thank you so much for having me today. 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:54.720 Well, you were the best. And also I feel like 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:56.600 I've learned. I mean, I always knew that you were smart, 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:59.280 I knew that you had an illegal background, but you've 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:01.440 done a lot, and so I can't wait to kind 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:03.760 of just dig into your life, how you got into 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:06.080 TV and then this amazing book that you wrote. But 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:08.120 so I didn't realize you were the president of the 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:11.639 Federalist Society in law school. So I imagine these past four 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:15.320 years have been really tough for you to witness, you know, 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.720 the weaponization of the law and or Biden and sort 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:20.280 of the erosion of our constitution. So you'll talk a 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:22.520 little bit about that, and then also just you know, 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:26.880 from someone who cares about the constitution and as an originalist, 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:29.440 you know, talk about sort of these past four years 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:32.280 and witnessing all of this with the bid deminstration. 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:35.240 You know, I will say Lisa that I think that 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:39.480 the most surprising thing is not necessarily that people who 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:44.000 believe in big government and people who you know, proffer 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:47.480 big government as the answer, that they would encroach upon 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:49.480 our liberties and that they would try to take away 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:50.040 our freedoms. 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:50.880 That's not a surprise. 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:54.320 The surprise is the speed with which it all came 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:56.960 crashing down, and the speed with which so many of 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:01.239 our liberties and independents were taken away, how quickly law 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:03.480 fair was used as a weapon. You know, I at 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:06.520 least thought of these institutions is more sacred than that, 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:09.600 as a little bit more stable than that. So I think, 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:12.160 you know, my greatest takeaway of the last four years is, 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:15.440 I guess it's in line with what Russell Schorteau wrote 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:17.560 about the island of Sicily, which is where my family 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:18.280 immigrated from. 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:19.120 And he talked about that. 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:24.840 He said, Look, the island of Sicily withstood for centuries invaders, 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:27.639 you know, the Carthaginians and the Moors and all the things, 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:29.520 he said, and it was always, it was always standing. 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:31.079 The people always survived. 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:35.040 But he said, nothing brought it to quicker or more 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:39.520 devastating ruin than the Italian government. And the Italian government 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:43.440 did in twenty years what centuries of those invaders had not, 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:46.520 which is bringing the island to complete an utter ruin. 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:47.640 And I see that. 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:50.120 I've thought about that often in the last four years, Lisa, 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:54.360 because he's exactly right, that the dismantling, that the absolute 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:57.240 ruination of so much of this country, and again like 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.040 the frankly eradication of so many of our liberties and 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.800 independence came so quickly, came with with the. 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.840 Stroke of a pen, came with the wielding of of. 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.160 You know, elected das and the forces behind such, and 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:11.840 that the prosecutorial discretions in both. 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:13.880 Sides, and it just kills me. 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:16.640 And I think the American people, thank God, saw that 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:19.919 window of these last four years of what you know, 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:22.479 in our sort of bifurcated to through an adventure what 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:25.359 it could be like, and they chose, they chose wisely 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:27.920 to quote Indiana Jones in the Last Cruisiade. 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:29.080 You know what they shoudness. 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.680 But yes, as president of the Federalist Society, you know, 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:35.719 that wasn't that much. Wasn't that long ago that I 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.839 was of just my small chapter in my law school, 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:42.480 and at the time, my function was to ensure. 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:44.560 That every debate was in fact a fair and equal debate. 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:47.599 So for every speaker that was brought on campus, my 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.240 role was to a book, you know, to ensure and 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.440 book a speaker from the other side. 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:54.680 And at the time, no one ever gave me flack. 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:56.760 It was not a big deal. People supported that. It 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:58.159 was actually lovely. 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:01.080 It was exactly the way that debate should work, and 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.920 it was everything was policy based, ideology based, you. 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:06.560 Know, and balanced is the point. 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:11.000 And cut to just a few years later, and we 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:16.159 saw the absolute censorship, the absolute destruction of free speech rights, 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:18.799 of any kind of of free speech or public discourse. 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:24.520 We saw campuses being mowed down, people enduring physical violence 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:28.479 at the hands of ideological censorship, of the refusal to 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:31.839 hear and entertain any kind of debate. So the moral 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:34.359 of the story for me is that it happens so quickly, 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:36.880 and it's going to be a long road. 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.320 To put the bricks back. But I have faith that this. 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:42.880 Incoming administration is exactly that turnaround that we need. 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.560 Well. And I'm glad that you said all that, because 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.880 you know, you know, as Americans, you know, we're used 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.560 to being free, and you sort of don't realize how 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:54.760 fleeting that freedom can be, you know, And and to 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:57.840 your point, as you so eloquently stated about, we've sort 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:00.440 of seen these freedoms trampled upon these past four years, 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:03.320 and it sort of like woke Americans up and you 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:05.080 know it certainly, you know, woke me up. I'm sure 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:07.839 it woke you up too, to just how quickly we 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.080 could lose all of that, and you know, how quickly 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:11.880 we can lose the American dream, and how important it 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:13.280 is to preserve and fight for. 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:17.839 It totally, and how the branches of government and the 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:21.400 bodies of government that I thought were so independent that 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.560 you know the reality is they are in theory that 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:27.719 they're made up of people. You know, the money that 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:31.479 the government operates with, that income that is our earned income. 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:35.479 There are people operating within these bodies and agencies and 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:38.000 branches of government. So when we talk about, you know, 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:41.960 preserving that independence, my point is, you know, when it 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:47.560 was just bastardized, when we saw free speech protesters, when 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:49.560 we saw protesters for life. 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.160 And how do you want to call them protesters? 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:57.400 When we saw demonstrators, octagenarian demonstrators that were standing tall 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:01.400 for the right to life, and we saw criminal prosecutions 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:03.240 for that, we thought incarcerations for that. 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:04.520 I mean, that's the whole point. 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:08.039 So I think the eye opening moment for America was like, 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.320 you know, the lady, justice is supposed to be blind, 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:15.160 but that only occurs when the people in those positions 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:18.760 operate as such. And the subjectivity that we saw, the 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:22.080 subjectivity that we saw in emails that were foid in 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:24.120 all of the I mean, don't even get me started 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:28.080 on the entire you know, Russia Gate and all the 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:30.960 Intelligent community and right, it's like that all of that, 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:37.520 those were the most farcical but dangerous, fictional, you know 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:41.320 creations of these bodies, right, because when we say those 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:43.760 things phrases like the intelligence community, when we say that, 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:46.080 the executive branch, when we say the judicial branch like 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:49.400 that that embodies this sacred independence. But it was anything 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.640 but so you know, we the House claiming that we 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:56.160 need I mean, that's that's an understatement. But again, you 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.200 know it's I think it's going to come sort of radically, 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.280 you know, do which is a big deal for sure. 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.880 But I think the bigger deal is not necessarily slimming 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:07.480 down the government. It's the transparency that Dojes dedicated to 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:09.440 that I think will be really the radical part. 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.440 I think that's a really good point, and that transparency 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:14.679 is really needed also, just like to bring trust back 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:17.960 in government, right, so many Americans, you know, we no 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:20.880 longer trust our government, and so that transparency is key there. 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.400 So you had a whole pre TV life, you know, 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.280 where you worked as an attorney for the federal government. 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.520 You practice criminal defense and civil litigation when you lived 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.520 in California, and the list goes on. You ever missed 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.600 working as an attorney? And what are you most proud 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:37.520 of from that chapter of life? 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:43.880 Thank you for asking that I'm still licensed. I still 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:48.319 do a couple things sort of and so I feel connected. 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:52.600 What I'm most proud of is I think my work 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.599 with the incarcerated, and as a federal attorney, you know, 0:08:56.679 --> 0:09:00.000 I represented the government. My criminal defense work was private, 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:07.480 and I saw therefore both sides. And when we talk 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:09.760 about the government, you know, I've spoken a lot of 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:11.720 you know, the bloat and the machine that it is. 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.200 You know, a lot of the work of defense attorneys. 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:17.720 It's not to say my client's totally innocent or you know, 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:18.360 get me off. 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:20.560 It's really a lot more nuanced than that. It's to 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:23.079 ensure that our rights are protected. 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:25.839 It's to ensure that, for example, the charges are commensurate, 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:29.080 that the sentence is commensurate, that the you know, again 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:31.560 that sacred nature of the justice system that we spoke 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.960 about earlier, that it's upheld. And there's a lot of 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:41.480 deep abject loneliness and sort of toxicity and the things 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:44.840 that your tax dollars pay for in the incarcerated system. 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:49.120 Everyone should be horrified all day, every day. And it's 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:51.719 a hard group of people to advocate for. A lot 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:55.240 of people you know have discarded them civically and socially. 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:59.040 But the reality is the largest group of growing incarcerated 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:00.480 individuals are veterans. 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:04.280 They are single moms. So you know, when you when 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:05.600 you marry all of that together. 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:09.880 There are fellow Americans, and there's a lot of gray 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:13.520 area within that. So I'm most proud of actual help 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:19.120 and providing, you know, actual actual impact to those that 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:24.439 have been discarded by society. And I don't I don't 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:26.520 miss it per se. You know, I'll be honest, Lisa, 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:28.920 because I love what we do here. It's such an 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:32.160 honor to serve as a messenger like I. That's incredible 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.800 to me. I don't miss the stress, that's for sure, 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:37.920 because the stress in that world was I felt very 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:40.640 it really was. You know, I don't want to say 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.880 life or death. It wasn't like that. I'm not a doctor, 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:49.080 but I the deep weight of futures and freedoms and 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:51.400 representation and advocacy like that's. 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:56.280 I took that so seriously. So I don't miss I 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:58.920 think the toll it took on me I probably last 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:00.160 a couple of years of my life. 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:02.559 I could see that bang. I mean, that's a heavy 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:04.959 toll to have, especially you know, as you pointed out, 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:07.000 and I know you, you know, you take it seriously 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:08.800 and it means a lot to you. So it is 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.120 a heavy toll. We've got to take a quick break 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:16.880 more with Emily. You know so and obviously all that 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:19.120 you know what we've discussed about. You know, your background 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:22.080 and that legal background has shaped you being a co 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.719 host on Outnumbered and sort of bringing that point of 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:27.440 view on the show. But I don't think, I know 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:29.400 how did you get on television? You know? So what 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:31.360 was your pathway? So you know, you're a lawyer, you're 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:34.679 doing all this this big stuff, and then how did 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:36.440 you get into TV? What led you to that? 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:42.400 So in law school was sort of the advent, I 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.800 would say it was about that time, maybe a little 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.640 before the advent of the business model that we have 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.840 now that's sort of taken for granted in broadcasting, which 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:54.760 is like a subject matter expert alongside an anchor. And 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:58.120 so when I saw that, that became married with my 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.679 goals because at the time I was interested in being 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:03.600 an international law attorney. I had traveled around the world. 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:05.560 I had sailed around the world, gone to a lot 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:08.559 of Third World countries and mission trips in Africa and 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:11.160 different countries around the world, and so I felt very 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:13.840 strongly that the way to health affect change would be 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:18.800 on an international law that, like I literally said to myself, 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:22.720 the way to honor my family, that the sacrifices and 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.400 that my family has made here and that the you know, 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:28.679 my immigrant family and military family and all these things, like, 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.679 is to take advantage of the education we have here 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:33.440 in this in this country and make a. 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:36.120 Difference that way, like to truly. 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:38.120 Take advantage of the opportunities here that they worked so 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:40.480 hard so that we could all have. So that was 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:47.319 my lofty goals, and then it's that still existed. But 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:51.160 I fell into ironically, I fell into litigation and then 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:52.959 criminal law, and I was like, oh my gosh, this 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:55.800 is my passion, this is amazing. So at the same time, 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:58.240 you know, I was cheering in the NFL, and I 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.240 remember on my rookie card like it said what is 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:01.360 your goal? And I'm like, I want to be a 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:05.960 legal analyst, because that to me was like the perfect 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:10.760 end goal, to be able to be an attorney on 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.680 air help others understand it. But through the lens of 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:15.440 my experience, and as you pointed out, you know, it 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:17.280 was sort of varied, and so I felt like, this 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:21.640 is the best way to help everyone is to inform them, 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:24.839 to educate them, but not just rotely, not just here's 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.400 the law, but like really through the lens of my experience. 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.040 So that was the legal analyst business model that I 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:34.040 was going after. So after I we call it retiring. 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.480 After I retired from the NFL, and I was just 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:37.920 a federal attorney at that point. 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:40.720 Then, you know, the. 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:43.560 Short story is I got a shot on TV and 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:46.000 my first segment it was actually long, it was like 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:47.920 six or seven minutes, and we were talking about the 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:52.720 judicial appointment, the Elena Kagan at that time judicial nomination 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:53.839 to the Supreme Court. 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:58.320 And then from there it went on and I just became, 0:13:58.400 --> 0:13:59.960 you know, more and more regular on. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.319 Local channels as I moved around with the federal government, 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:05.560 and then got on Fox and that was sort of. 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:07.120 The rest is history. 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:08.439 But at the same time, I was also doing a 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:11.120 lot of sports business analysis too, so ESPN and a 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:13.320 lot of sports radio, and I sort of told myself, 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.920 all right, God is going to reveal you know which 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:18.800 arena I'm meant to be in, and I just continued 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:21.360 following both until again, you know. 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:23.720 Fox, Fox came about and that was my dream. 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:27.600 So I ended up being the news route versus the 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:29.320 sports business analysis route. 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:31.200 I love that. Yeah, it's like we make plans and 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:37.840 God laugh. Yeah, yeah, like the road always leads us 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:39.840 to where you know we're supposed to be. All right, Well, 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:41.680 I want to get to your book under His Wings, 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:43.480 but I I've got to ask you this first. So 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:47.640 you also have a podcast. It's Fox News Audios Audios 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:51.760 the Fox True Crime Podcast with Emily Capano. So I 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:54.680 have recently got into true crime. Like there's there's all 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:56.760 these like funny memes about why women have so much 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:58.600 anxiety and stressed out. It's like because we watched a 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:02.120 true crime. But totally tell me, So what is the 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.520 crazy before we get through book? Which is really important. 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:08.560 What is the craziest story you've covered so far for 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:09.320 the podcast? 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:11.320 Oh my gosh. Wait. 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:12.880 First of all, you know it's so funny about that, 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:16.320 Like I'm like the because okay, this because I was 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:18.480 a criminal attorney, Like because you know, my days were 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:20.000 spent like in prisons and it was like frightening and 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.400 all the things. Literally all I watch Lisa is like 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:23.200 the Hallmark Chunnel. 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:25.720 Like that's exactly why all I can watch is. 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.000 Like I need to lived that need a break. 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:29.640 I'm like, I know. 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.520 Nothing beyond a g rated show that is all I 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:35.040 can handle. 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.640 That's so funny in the serial kular world. 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:40.720 Look, I'm like the opposite. I'm like, I want it. 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:41.720 I want the grit, you. 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:46.640 Know, I feel like I think the most. I will 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:47.320 say this that. 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:52.440 The most unique, the unique aspect about my pod in general, 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:54.880 is that everybody we have is like the closest person 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:55.280 to the crime. 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:57.440 So many other true crime pods, someone is. 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:59.960 Telling the story that they read, or an attorney is 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:04.440 discussing it from like a you know, an analysis objective 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:06.960 point of view. But everyone that I have on there 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:10.240 like it was the person who survived, it was the 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:14.360 detective who caught the purp, it was the judge, it 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:16.840 was the prosecutor, it was the sister of the missing. 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:20.520 I mean, these are like the closest person to that 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:24.680 crime is whose stories we share, and that's such an 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.640 honor for me. So that being said, to answer your question, 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:32.320 I will say, either a couple times we've had the 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:35.160 criminal himself and that. 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:38.280 Sort of unheard of. And there was a few episodes. 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:41.640 There's one in particular where it was it's crazy that 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:42.880 I'm using this word, but it was like the most 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:44.800 delightful episode I've ever had in my life. He was 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:49.640 a delight and he was an art forger and he 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:51.960 was like the most prolific art forger of all time, 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:55.600 and he evaded the FEDS and he like tells everyone 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:57.120 how to do it was just it was. 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:59.680 So it was the most fascinating crazy episodes. 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:01.840 And we talk about you know, crazy, like that word 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.480 whan that episode comes to mind. And then I will 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:07.600 say all of our survivor episode episodes, which are just 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:14.680 like the deeply intimate aspect of hearing these brave women 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:18.560 tell their stories of how they survived, sometimes the most violent. 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:20.520 You know, there was one young woman who at the 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:23.359 time she was pregnant, she was six months pregnant and 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:27.280 survived being stabbed over forty times all over her body. 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:29.960 Not only did she survive, but her baby survived. 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.200 And she is the only known survivor of this particular 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:36.920 serial killer. Another survivor who also was the only survivor 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:40.480 of the Railroad serial killer in college, she watched her 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.600 her then boyfriend be beaten to death and she miraculously survived. 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.080 I mean, their stories, I'm getting chills just saying it. 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:50.359 But it's like there is nothing more riveting than these amazing, incredible, 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:54.639 super women that have survived these monsters among us. And 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:57.840 then yeah, the criminal himself again a non violent criminal. 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:01.159 The arn't borger. He was just like it was, what's fascinating? 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:03.520 How how he how he got away with the fence? 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:06.080 And I challenge you, I think anyone who listens to 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:07.400 that you will be rooting for him too. 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:08.399 The only time. 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.359 You've convinced me. So I'm going to have to listen. 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:14.200 I have to listen to that one that that does 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:18.720 sound interesting. And obviously just to hear all these different stories, 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:21.240 I'm sure that, Uh, that's got to be fun for 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:24.919 you to do. You know, I want to get to 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:27.240 this book because it's really important. You know, under His 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:31.399 Way you talk about, you know, why why you wrote 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:34.199 this book under His Wings, and talk about you know 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:36.200 what it's about. Tell us a little bit about it 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.119 and why it's important to you, why you decided to 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:38.480 write it. 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:39.480 Thank you. 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:42.879 So it's called Under His Wings How Faith on the 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:48.439 front Lines has protected American troops And it's sort of 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:51.560 almost like three books in one, and that answers the 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:53.280 question of why I wrote it, why I had the 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:55.560 honor of writing it. And the first is, you know, 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.679 I come from a very strong military family, and my 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:02.640 mother's a genealogist, a family historian. So I grew up 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:07.440 having like knowing these stories, looking at these medals all 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:10.600 on my childhood home walls, having the photographs and the 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:14.880 records up and like the details going back generations and wars, 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:21.400 great grandfather, everyone, father, everyone. So these stories are they're 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:26.120 dramatic at times, you know, involving you know, my great 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:30.800 grand father. For example, a shell exploded under him in Jaalgon, France, 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:36.040 in World War One. He was in a coma for 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:38.760 thirty days. The telegram told his wife at home she 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:41.200 was a widow, that he had died. So for thirty 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:44.080 days she believed that she was a widow, and then 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:46.399 come to find out, you know, I mean the speed 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:49.719 with which we communicate now, imagine going through a World 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:52.920 war back then with that kind of delay in communication. 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:56.480 And then when he you know, again miraculously sort of survived. 0:19:56.560 --> 0:19:58.760 He was restored to a non combat position and he 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:02.080