1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: This week, as we celebrate the true meaning of Christmas, 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: the birth of Jesus Christ, I want to stay on 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: faith and the role of God and our country. So 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about a really important book that 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: just came out. We're going to interview the author of 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: the book. The book is called Under His Wings, How 7 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 1: Faith on the front Lines Has Protected American Troops. It 8 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: is a celebration of faith and freedom, sharing first person 9 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: accounts that show the profound role the belief in God 10 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: has played in the lives of US military service members 11 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: as they have served in combat from World War One 12 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: to today, commemorating the courage, camaraderie, spirit and sacrifice of 13 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 1: America's heroes. You're probably very familiar with the author. Her 14 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: name is Emily Campano. She's a friend and a colleague 15 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: of mine. She's also the co host of Fox News 16 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: is Outnumbered. She has a podcast called The Fox True 17 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: Crime Podcast with Emily Campano. But most importantly in reference 18 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: to this episode, she is the author this amazing book. 19 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: Clearly the rest of America agrees. It is a New 20 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: York Times bestseller the very first week it went on sale. 21 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: But we're going to talk about this book talk about 22 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: her life, how she got into TV as well. Prior 23 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: to that, she served as an attorney in the federal government, 24 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: also practiced criminal defense and civil litigation. So we'll talk 25 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: about her time in the law, how she got into TV, 26 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: and this just very very special book, why it means 27 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: so much to her, why she decided to write it, 28 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: why it's so special, So stay tuned for that. And 29 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: Lee Campanno, Well, Emily, I'm so excited to have you 30 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: on this show. I appreciate you taking the time. I 31 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: always love being on with you when I'm on Outnumbered, 32 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: And I'm just so excited. 33 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: Lisa, you are the best, and the honor and pleasure 34 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: are all mine, believe me. 35 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me today. 36 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: Well, you were the best. And also I feel like 37 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: I've learned. I mean, I always knew that you were smart, 38 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: I knew that you had an illegal background, but you've 39 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: done a lot, and so I can't wait to kind 40 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: of just dig into your life, how you got into 41 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: TV and then this amazing book that you wrote. But 42 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: so I didn't realize you were the president of the 43 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: Federalist Society in law school. So I imagine these past four 44 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: years have been really tough for you to witness, you know, 45 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: the weaponization of the law and or Biden and sort 46 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: of the erosion of our constitution. So you'll talk a 47 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: little bit about that, and then also just you know, 48 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: from someone who cares about the constitution and as an originalist, 49 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: you know, talk about sort of these past four years 50 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: and witnessing all of this with the bid deminstration. 51 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 2: You know, I will say Lisa that I think that 52 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 2: the most surprising thing is not necessarily that people who 53 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: believe in big government and people who you know, proffer 54 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 2: big government as the answer, that they would encroach upon 55 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: our liberties and that they would try to take away 56 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: our freedoms. 57 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 3: That's not a surprise. 58 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: The surprise is the speed with which it all came 59 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 2: crashing down, and the speed with which so many of 60 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 2: our liberties and independents were taken away, how quickly law 61 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: fair was used as a weapon. You know, I at 62 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 2: least thought of these institutions is more sacred than that, 63 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 2: as a little bit more stable than that. So I think, 64 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: you know, my greatest takeaway of the last four years is, 65 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: I guess it's in line with what Russell Schorteau wrote 66 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: about the island of Sicily, which is where my family 67 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: immigrated from. 68 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 3: And he talked about that. 69 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: He said, Look, the island of Sicily withstood for centuries invaders, 70 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 2: you know, the Carthaginians and the Moors and all the things, 71 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 2: he said, and it was always, it was always standing. 72 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 3: The people always survived. 73 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 2: But he said, nothing brought it to quicker or more 74 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: devastating ruin than the Italian government. And the Italian government 75 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: did in twenty years what centuries of those invaders had not, 76 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: which is bringing the island to complete an utter ruin. 77 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 3: And I see that. 78 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: I've thought about that often in the last four years, Lisa, 79 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: because he's exactly right, that the dismantling, that the absolute 80 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 2: ruination of so much of this country, and again like 81 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 2: the frankly eradication of so many of our liberties and 82 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: independence came so quickly, came with with the. 83 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 3: Stroke of a pen, came with the wielding of of. 84 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: You know, elected das and the forces behind such, and 85 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: that the prosecutorial discretions in both. 86 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 3: Sides, and it just kills me. 87 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: And I think the American people, thank God, saw that 88 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 2: window of these last four years of what you know, 89 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 2: in our sort of bifurcated to through an adventure what 90 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 2: it could be like, and they chose, they chose wisely 91 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 2: to quote Indiana Jones in the Last Cruisiade. 92 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 3: You know what they shoudness. 93 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: But yes, as president of the Federalist Society, you know, 94 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 2: that wasn't that much. Wasn't that long ago that I 95 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 2: was of just my small chapter in my law school, 96 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 2: and at the time, my function was to ensure. 97 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 3: That every debate was in fact a fair and equal debate. 98 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 2: So for every speaker that was brought on campus, my 99 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 2: role was to a book, you know, to ensure and 100 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: book a speaker from the other side. 101 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 3: And at the time, no one ever gave me flack. 102 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 3: It was not a big deal. People supported that. It 103 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 3: was actually lovely. 104 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: It was exactly the way that debate should work, and 105 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 2: it was everything was policy based, ideology based, you. 106 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 3: Know, and balanced is the point. 107 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: And cut to just a few years later, and we 108 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 2: saw the absolute censorship, the absolute destruction of free speech rights, 109 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,799 Speaker 2: of any kind of of free speech or public discourse. 110 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: We saw campuses being mowed down, people enduring physical violence 111 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 2: at the hands of ideological censorship, of the refusal to 112 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 2: hear and entertain any kind of debate. So the moral 113 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 2: of the story for me is that it happens so quickly, 114 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 2: and it's going to be a long road. 115 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 3: To put the bricks back. But I have faith that this. 116 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: Incoming administration is exactly that turnaround that we need. 117 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: Well. And I'm glad that you said all that, because 118 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: you know, you know, as Americans, you know, we're used 119 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: to being free, and you sort of don't realize how 120 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: fleeting that freedom can be, you know, And and to 121 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: your point, as you so eloquently stated about, we've sort 122 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: of seen these freedoms trampled upon these past four years, 123 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: and it sort of like woke Americans up and you 124 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: know it certainly, you know, woke me up. I'm sure 125 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: it woke you up too, to just how quickly we 126 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: could lose all of that, and you know, how quickly 127 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: we can lose the American dream, and how important it 128 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: is to preserve and fight for. 129 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 2: It totally, and how the branches of government and the 130 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 2: bodies of government that I thought were so independent that 131 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: you know the reality is they are in theory that 132 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 2: they're made up of people. You know, the money that 133 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 2: the government operates with, that income that is our earned income. 134 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 2: There are people operating within these bodies and agencies and 135 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: branches of government. So when we talk about, you know, 136 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: preserving that independence, my point is, you know, when it 137 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: was just bastardized, when we saw free speech protesters, when 138 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: we saw protesters for life. 139 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 3: And how do you want to call them protesters? 140 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 2: When we saw demonstrators, octagenarian demonstrators that were standing tall 141 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 2: for the right to life, and we saw criminal prosecutions 142 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 2: for that, we thought incarcerations for that. 143 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: I mean, that's the whole point. 144 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 2: So I think the eye opening moment for America was like, 145 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: you know, the lady, justice is supposed to be blind, 146 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 2: but that only occurs when the people in those positions 147 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 2: operate as such. And the subjectivity that we saw, the 148 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: subjectivity that we saw in emails that were foid in 149 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: all of the I mean, don't even get me started 150 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: on the entire you know, Russia Gate and all the 151 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: Intelligent community and right, it's like that all of that, 152 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: those were the most farcical but dangerous, fictional, you know 153 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: creations of these bodies, right, because when we say those 154 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 2: things phrases like the intelligence community, when we say that, 155 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: the executive branch, when we say the judicial branch like 156 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 2: that that embodies this sacred independence. But it was anything 157 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: but so you know, we the House claiming that we 158 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 2: need I mean, that's that's an understatement. But again, you 159 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 2: know it's I think it's going to come sort of radically, 160 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: you know, do which is a big deal for sure. 161 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: But I think the bigger deal is not necessarily slimming 162 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: down the government. It's the transparency that Dojes dedicated to 163 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 2: that I think will be really the radical part. 164 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: I think that's a really good point, and that transparency 165 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,679 Speaker 1: is really needed also, just like to bring trust back 166 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: in government, right, so many Americans, you know, we no 167 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: longer trust our government, and so that transparency is key there. 168 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: So you had a whole pre TV life, you know, 169 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: where you worked as an attorney for the federal government. 170 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: You practice criminal defense and civil litigation when you lived 171 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: in California, and the list goes on. You ever missed 172 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: working as an attorney? And what are you most proud 173 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: of from that chapter of life? 174 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 2: Thank you for asking that I'm still licensed. I still 175 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 2: do a couple things sort of and so I feel connected. 176 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 2: What I'm most proud of is I think my work 177 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,599 Speaker 2: with the incarcerated, and as a federal attorney, you know, 178 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: I represented the government. My criminal defense work was private, 179 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 2: and I saw therefore both sides. And when we talk 180 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: about the government, you know, I've spoken a lot of 181 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 2: you know, the bloat and the machine that it is. 182 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 3: You know, a lot of the work of defense attorneys. 183 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 2: It's not to say my client's totally innocent or you know, 184 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 2: get me off. 185 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 3: It's really a lot more nuanced than that. It's to 186 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 3: ensure that our rights are protected. 187 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 2: It's to ensure that, for example, the charges are commensurate, 188 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: that the sentence is commensurate, that the you know, again 189 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 2: that sacred nature of the justice system that we spoke 190 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 2: about earlier, that it's upheld. And there's a lot of 191 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: deep abject loneliness and sort of toxicity and the things 192 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 2: that your tax dollars pay for in the incarcerated system. 193 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: Everyone should be horrified all day, every day. And it's 194 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 2: a hard group of people to advocate for. A lot 195 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: of people you know have discarded them civically and socially. 196 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 2: But the reality is the largest group of growing incarcerated 197 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 2: individuals are veterans. 198 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 3: They are single moms. So you know, when you when 199 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 3: you marry all of that together. 200 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: There are fellow Americans, and there's a lot of gray 201 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: area within that. So I'm most proud of actual help 202 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 2: and providing, you know, actual actual impact to those that 203 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 2: have been discarded by society. And I don't I don't 204 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: miss it per se. You know, I'll be honest, Lisa, 205 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: because I love what we do here. It's such an 206 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 2: honor to serve as a messenger like I. That's incredible 207 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: to me. I don't miss the stress, that's for sure, 208 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 2: because the stress in that world was I felt very 209 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: it really was. You know, I don't want to say 210 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 2: life or death. It wasn't like that. I'm not a doctor, 211 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 2: but I the deep weight of futures and freedoms and 212 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 2: representation and advocacy like that's. 213 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 3: I took that so seriously. So I don't miss I 214 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 3: think the toll it took on me I probably last 215 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 3: a couple of years of my life. 216 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 1: I could see that bang. I mean, that's a heavy 217 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 1: toll to have, especially you know, as you pointed out, 218 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: and I know you, you know, you take it seriously 219 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: and it means a lot to you. So it is 220 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: a heavy toll. We've got to take a quick break 221 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: more with Emily. You know so and obviously all that 222 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: you know what we've discussed about. You know, your background 223 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: and that legal background has shaped you being a co 224 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 1: host on Outnumbered and sort of bringing that point of 225 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: view on the show. But I don't think, I know 226 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: how did you get on television? You know? So what 227 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: was your pathway? So you know, you're a lawyer, you're 228 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: doing all this this big stuff, and then how did 229 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: you get into TV? What led you to that? 230 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 2: So in law school was sort of the advent, I 231 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: would say it was about that time, maybe a little 232 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: before the advent of the business model that we have 233 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 2: now that's sort of taken for granted in broadcasting, which 234 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 2: is like a subject matter expert alongside an anchor. And 235 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 2: so when I saw that, that became married with my 236 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 2: goals because at the time I was interested in being 237 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 2: an international law attorney. I had traveled around the world. 238 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 2: I had sailed around the world, gone to a lot 239 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 2: of Third World countries and mission trips in Africa and 240 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 2: different countries around the world, and so I felt very 241 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 2: strongly that the way to health affect change would be 242 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: on an international law that, like I literally said to myself, 243 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 2: the way to honor my family, that the sacrifices and 244 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: that my family has made here and that the you know, 245 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 2: my immigrant family and military family and all these things, like, 246 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 2: is to take advantage of the education we have here 247 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 2: in this in this country and make a. 248 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 3: Difference that way, like to truly. 249 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 2: Take advantage of the opportunities here that they worked so 250 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 2: hard so that we could all have. So that was 251 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 2: my lofty goals, and then it's that still existed. But 252 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: I fell into ironically, I fell into litigation and then 253 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 2: criminal law, and I was like, oh my gosh, this 254 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: is my passion, this is amazing. So at the same time, 255 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 2: you know, I was cheering in the NFL, and I 256 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 2: remember on my rookie card like it said what is 257 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 2: your goal? And I'm like, I want to be a 258 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 2: legal analyst, because that to me was like the perfect 259 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 2: end goal, to be able to be an attorney on 260 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 2: air help others understand it. But through the lens of 261 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 2: my experience, and as you pointed out, you know, it 262 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 2: was sort of varied, and so I felt like, this 263 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 2: is the best way to help everyone is to inform them, 264 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 2: to educate them, but not just rotely, not just here's 265 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 2: the law, but like really through the lens of my experience. 266 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 2: So that was the legal analyst business model that I 267 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: was going after. So after I we call it retiring. 268 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: After I retired from the NFL, and I was just 269 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 2: a federal attorney at that point. 270 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 3: Then, you know, the. 271 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 2: Short story is I got a shot on TV and 272 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 2: my first segment it was actually long, it was like 273 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 2: six or seven minutes, and we were talking about the 274 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 2: judicial appointment, the Elena Kagan at that time judicial nomination 275 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 2: to the Supreme Court. 276 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 3: And then from there it went on and I just became, 277 00:13:58,400 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 3: you know, more and more regular on. 278 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 2: Local channels as I moved around with the federal government, 279 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 2: and then got on Fox and that was sort of. 280 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 3: The rest is history. 281 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 2: But at the same time, I was also doing a 282 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 2: lot of sports business analysis too, so ESPN and a 283 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 2: lot of sports radio, and I sort of told myself, 284 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 2: all right, God is going to reveal you know which 285 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: arena I'm meant to be in, and I just continued 286 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 2: following both until again, you know. 287 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 3: Fox, Fox came about and that was my dream. 288 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 2: So I ended up being the news route versus the 289 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 2: sports business analysis route. 290 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, it's like we make plans and 291 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: God laugh. Yeah, yeah, like the road always leads us 292 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: to where you know we're supposed to be. All right, Well, 293 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: I want to get to your book under His Wings, 294 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: but I I've got to ask you this first. So 295 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: you also have a podcast. It's Fox News Audios Audios 296 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: the Fox True Crime Podcast with Emily Capano. So I 297 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: have recently got into true crime. Like there's there's all 298 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: these like funny memes about why women have so much 299 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: anxiety and stressed out. It's like because we watched a 300 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: true crime. But totally tell me, So what is the 301 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: crazy before we get through book? Which is really important. 302 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: What is the craziest story you've covered so far for 303 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: the podcast? 304 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Wait. 305 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 2: First of all, you know it's so funny about that, 306 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 2: Like I'm like the because okay, this because I was 307 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 2: a criminal attorney, Like because you know, my days were 308 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 2: spent like in prisons and it was like frightening and 309 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 2: all the things. Literally all I watch Lisa is like 310 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: the Hallmark Chunnel. 311 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 3: Like that's exactly why all I can watch is. 312 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: Like I need to lived that need a break. 313 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 3: I'm like, I know. 314 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 2: Nothing beyond a g rated show that is all I 315 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 2: can handle. 316 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 3: That's so funny in the serial kular world. 317 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: Look, I'm like the opposite. I'm like, I want it. 318 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: I want the grit, you. 319 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 3: Know, I feel like I think the most. I will 320 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 3: say this that. 321 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 2: The most unique, the unique aspect about my pod in general, 322 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: is that everybody we have is like the closest person 323 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: to the crime. 324 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 3: So many other true crime pods, someone is. 325 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: Telling the story that they read, or an attorney is 326 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 2: discussing it from like a you know, an analysis objective 327 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 2: point of view. But everyone that I have on there 328 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 2: like it was the person who survived, it was the 329 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 2: detective who caught the purp, it was the judge, it 330 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 2: was the prosecutor, it was the sister of the missing. 331 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 2: I mean, these are like the closest person to that 332 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 2: crime is whose stories we share, and that's such an 333 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: honor for me. So that being said, to answer your question, 334 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 2: I will say, either a couple times we've had the 335 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: criminal himself and that. 336 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 3: Sort of unheard of. And there was a few episodes. 337 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: There's one in particular where it was it's crazy that 338 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 2: I'm using this word, but it was like the most 339 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 2: delightful episode I've ever had in my life. He was 340 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 2: a delight and he was an art forger and he 341 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: was like the most prolific art forger of all time, 342 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 2: and he evaded the FEDS and he like tells everyone 343 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: how to do it was just it was. 344 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 3: So it was the most fascinating crazy episodes. 345 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 2: And we talk about you know, crazy, like that word 346 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 2: whan that episode comes to mind. And then I will 347 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 2: say all of our survivor episode episodes, which are just 348 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 2: like the deeply intimate aspect of hearing these brave women 349 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: tell their stories of how they survived, sometimes the most violent. 350 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 2: You know, there was one young woman who at the 351 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 2: time she was pregnant, she was six months pregnant and 352 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 2: survived being stabbed over forty times all over her body. 353 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 3: Not only did she survive, but her baby survived. 354 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 2: And she is the only known survivor of this particular 355 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 2: serial killer. Another survivor who also was the only survivor 356 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 2: of the Railroad serial killer in college, she watched her 357 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 2: her then boyfriend be beaten to death and she miraculously survived. 358 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 3: I mean, their stories, I'm getting chills just saying it. 359 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 2: But it's like there is nothing more riveting than these amazing, incredible, 360 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 2: super women that have survived these monsters among us. And 361 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 2: then yeah, the criminal himself again a non violent criminal. 362 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 3: The arn't borger. He was just like it was, what's fascinating? 363 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 3: How how he how he got away with the fence? 364 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: And I challenge you, I think anyone who listens to 365 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 2: that you will be rooting for him too. 366 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 3: The only time. 367 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: You've convinced me. So I'm going to have to listen. 368 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: I have to listen to that one that that does 369 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: sound interesting. And obviously just to hear all these different stories, 370 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure that, Uh, that's got to be fun for 371 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: you to do. You know, I want to get to 372 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: this book because it's really important. You know, under His 373 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: Way you talk about, you know, why why you wrote 374 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 1: this book under His Wings, and talk about you know 375 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: what it's about. Tell us a little bit about it 376 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: and why it's important to you, why you decided to 377 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: write it. 378 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 3: Thank you. 379 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 2: So it's called Under His Wings How Faith on the 380 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 2: front Lines has protected American troops And it's sort of 381 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 2: almost like three books in one, and that answers the 382 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 2: question of why I wrote it, why I had the 383 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 2: honor of writing it. And the first is, you know, 384 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 2: I come from a very strong military family, and my 385 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 2: mother's a genealogist, a family historian. So I grew up 386 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 2: having like knowing these stories, looking at these medals all 387 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 2: on my childhood home walls, having the photographs and the 388 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 2: records up and like the details going back generations and wars, 389 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 2: great grandfather, everyone, father, everyone. So these stories are they're 390 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 2: dramatic at times, you know, involving you know, my great 391 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 2: grand father. For example, a shell exploded under him in Jaalgon, France, 392 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 2: in World War One. He was in a coma for 393 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 2: thirty days. The telegram told his wife at home she 394 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 2: was a widow, that he had died. So for thirty 395 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 2: days she believed that she was a widow, and then 396 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 2: come to find out, you know, I mean the speed 397 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,719 Speaker 2: with which we communicate now, imagine going through a World 398 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 2: war back then with that kind of delay in communication. 399 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 2: And then when he you know, again miraculously sort of survived. 400 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 2: He was restored to a non combat position and he 401 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 2: worked at the Pow camp because he spoke German. I 402 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 2: have his photographs, his purple heart, I have all of 403 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,479 Speaker 2: that is in the book. And in that same actually 404 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 2: the same week that he was blown up, my great 405 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 2: great uncle, who was his brother in law lost his 406 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 2: life or that might have been the same week that 407 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 2: he lost his leg before he lost his life and 408 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 2: is buried in sur in France. 409 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 3: And then one World War later, my great great aunt, 410 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 3: who was a US Army. 411 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 2: Nurse, she deployed for a year and a half in 412 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 2: Europe and visited her brother's grave twice. And like I mean, 413 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 2: there's so much more, but a few for examples of 414 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 2: my aunt lou she wrote letters home at least once 415 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 2: a week that we saved and we have, so that's 416 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 2: in the book, and leaning on her faith to do so. 417 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 2: So it's sort of this beautiful rendition of history like that, 418 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 2: the intimate details of history through my family and my 419 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 2: mother's legacy that I had the honor of carrying on 420 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 2: and then serving as a messenger for all of these 421 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 2: war fighters who had these just extraordinary experiences with God 422 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 2: and faith on the front line and being the messenger 423 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 2: for these stories and some of them Lisa never told anyone, 424 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 2: and the first person that they told was me, and 425 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 2: they trusted me to share these stories with the world, 426 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 2: and that is just such a humbling honor. And then 427 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 2: the third is, you know, as we mentioned I was 428 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 2: an NFL cheerleader and I had the honor of going 429 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 2: to Kuwait in Iraq to visit the deployed troops in 430 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 2: two thousand and nine. And while there, we visited Solder City, 431 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 2: which is a joint security station and bad Dad that 432 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 2: like no one ever went to. They never got VIPs, 433 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 2: they never got club visits because it was so dangerous, 434 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 2: super urban and for some reason, man, it was on 435 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 2: the itinerary, and all the guys were like, there's no 436 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 2: way you girls are going there. And then the guys 437 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 2: that were there were like, there's no way the girls 438 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 2: are coming here, Like there is no way NFL cheerleaders 439 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 2: are coming to Solder City. 440 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 3: And we went and we ended up gaving. 441 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: The black Hawk that was supposed to take us back 442 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,719 Speaker 2: home was diverted for a metavac, so we ended up 443 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 2: getting stranded there and we spent all night there and 444 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 2: we called it the Solder City slumber Party. And the 445 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 2: colonel that then, he was a lieutenant colonel at the time, 446 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 2: the lieutenant colonel in charge. His name is Tim Carter, 447 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 2: and I remember him like to this day, I'll never forget. 448 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 2: He was like, I have three daughters at home, and 449 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 2: there's no way in hell I'm going to bed and 450 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 2: tell you girls or think that, like. 451 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 3: It was so funny, and we were like we loved. 452 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 2: It, like we thought it was great, and you know, 453 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 2: I found out later it was like so blood pressure 454 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 2: skyrocketing to have NFL cheerleaders like anywhere near them, let alone, 455 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 2: like oh my gosh, and now they're stuck here, like, 456 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 2: oh my Godcus, you know, it's such a safety issue 457 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 2: from Port Gun. So we you know, we spend the 458 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 2: night and it's like awesome. It was like summer camp, 459 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 2: you know, it was just it was like family. That 460 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 2: was so great. 461 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 3: And then we never went to bed. 462 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 2: We just stayed up all night hanging out with the 463 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 2: guys outside in the courtyard. And then we left and 464 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 2: he was like that is all everyone talked about for days. 465 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 2: For three days, was you girls coming and how fun 466 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 2: it was and like such a breath of fresh air 467 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 2: in the middle of this war to have just like 468 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 2: five awesome you know girls from like from the US man. 469 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 3: We were bringing like all the love from home. 470 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 2: And then after that three days they ran over an 471 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 2: ied and Colonel Carterer lost his legs and Sergeant Timothy David. 472 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 3: Lost his life. 473 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was. 474 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,959 Speaker 2: And he was younger than I was, younger than I 475 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 2: was at the time, and it was his sixth tour 476 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 2: of duty. 477 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 3: This is Timothy David that I'm talking about. 478 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: And so we reunited fifteen years later for this book and. 479 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 3: His story of it's our story together that we share. 480 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 2: And then his story of survival many times by the way, 481 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 2: he died multiple times, each time being resuscitated. 482 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 3: He credits prayers with his survival. 483 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 2: And you know, as he said, he was like God 484 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 2: promised me eternal leg or God promised me eternal life, 485 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 2: not eternal legs. His it's like you know those people 486 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 2: that can make you laugh and cry at the same time. 487 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 2: So those are those are the reasons, and those are 488 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 2: the stories, and it's just it is an extraordinary book 489 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 2: because of those voices. 490 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: We've got more with Emily. But first, protecting our families 491 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: and homes is essential. But are we truly prepared because 492 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: break ins happen every twenty five seconds, and even with 493 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: the security system can really keep intruders out. 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So this is really a 511 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: passion project for you because as I'm hearing you sort 512 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: of describe it, I mean, you're really able to sort 513 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: of incorporate your your own experiences, Like you're talking about 514 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: how you visited Iraq and Kuwait, and I know you 515 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: also talk about other visitors with the USO, you know, 516 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: from Marilyn Monroe to Ronald Reagan and the impact that 517 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: those visits have. And then you're you're taught, you're abill 518 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: to share your family stories as well, and so sort 519 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: of just being re uh, you know, reminded of that 520 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: and then just also you know, as you pointed out 521 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: the story you just shared from you know, people that 522 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: you met on these visits as well, and your faith 523 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: in God as well. So it's you know, how that 524 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: must have been really special for you to be able 525 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 1: to kind of put all that together, all of your passions, 526 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 1: you know, your personal history, your personal beliefs, all in 527 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: one book, and to to present that to the world. 528 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: I bet this has been a really special project for you. 529 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 3: Thank you. 530 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 2: It really is just the honor of a lifetime to 531 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 2: serve to serve again, like I to serve as a 532 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 2: messenger for these warfighters, for these soldiers for this country, 533 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 2: and they're also soldiers in the Army of Christ, and 534 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 2: like to be entrusted with these very sacred personal stories, 535 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 2: you know, these these deeply detailed stories of what happened 536 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 2: to them, you know, in the thick of a firefight 537 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 2: in Iraq and the in an ambush in Vietnam, while 538 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 2: a pow you know, fighter pilots, gold star mothers, catastrophically 539 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 2: injured spouses, like people bottling PTSD, like the military chaplains. 540 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 3: I mean, there's there are so every story is so. 541 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 2: Unique that the person telling it their position, their branch, 542 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 2: what happened between them and God, what happened between them 543 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 2: and their answered prayers or their angel or their faith. 544 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I to be able to serve 545 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 2: as there I keep repeating myself, only because I'm so 546 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 2: wedded to raising it this way, like to serving as 547 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 2: their messenger, and to be able to I hope inspire 548 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 2: others to feel bold in their faith or to feel 549 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 2: fellowship with others. And I know that it's already had 550 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 2: that impact that veterans and war fighters are have after 551 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 2: reading this, have come out and asked for help or 552 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 2: asked for fellowship. 553 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 3: And that to me is I mean, that's just the 554 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 3: answer to my prayers. 555 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And I know you have a heart for 556 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: our military heroes and first responders. You know, you're always 557 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 1: doing stuff with them, so I know that you know 558 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: they have a special place in your heart. Before we go. 559 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite story from it? Or is 560 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: that like trying to pick your favorite child? Is that 561 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: is that blasphemous to try to pick a favorite story? 562 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 2: You are right, they are all equal, They are all 563 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 2: children to me, Like, I definitely cannot pick a favorite. 564 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 3: But do you want me to share, like a short one? Yeah? 565 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,719 Speaker 1: Just share whatever? Yeah, whatever stands out to you, whatever's 566 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: top of mine. 567 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 2: I think one in particular that will really resonate with 568 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 2: many of your listeners and people in general. Sergeant Darryl Enfinger. 569 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 2: I mentioned him. He was the Vietnam infantryman. And this 570 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 2: is an example of it tying together all of these 571 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 2: threads where you know, he talked about going to the 572 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 2: USO tour. 573 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 3: He saw Bob Hope perform in Vietnam. 574 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 2: He loved it, and he talked about, you know what 575 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 2: that was like to have this break in what was 576 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 2: an endless war for them, and his war. 577 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 3: Was really violent and he had given up on God. 578 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 2: He was seen death every day and he was saying, 579 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 2: you know it was it was the good guys that 580 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 2: were dying. You know why, What is the difference of 581 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 2: having the person in front of me get blown up 582 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 2: and I survived. 583 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 3: And he was the father, father of three kids, and. 584 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 2: He had totally lost his compass in that way, and 585 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 2: he said, you know, look, I didn't lose my belief 586 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 2: in God, but I was just angry with him. And 587 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 2: he stopped talking to him, and he was describing the 588 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 2: details of being a Vietnam infantryman and it's just horrific. 589 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: And one day, in the thick of an ambush, horrific ambush, 590 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 2: he said, all of a sudden, he had this clear 591 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 2: vision and God presented to him what would happen if 592 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 2: he went left down the hill, or what would happen 593 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 2: if you went right, And it was like heaven and hell, 594 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 2: and it was life and death. And he followed God's vision, 595 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 2: and he followed this safe way path and it was 596 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 2: his miracle that he survived because of that vision, he 597 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 2: knew exactly where to go to survive that just incredibly 598 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 2: violent and deadly ambush where men around him were dying everywhere. 599 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 2: But the miracle, you know that, he argues, is it's 600 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 2: not life or death, because again, as we talked about, 601 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 2: it's eternal life. When you are a believer, so earthly, 602 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 2: our earthly lives are fleeting no matter what, but he 603 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 2: it restored his prayers, his communication with God, and it's 604 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 2: like everything that happened after as a result of this 605 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 2: renewed faith and strength in his prayer with God, that 606 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 2: it was so incredible. 607 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 3: And to this day he. 608 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 2: Goes to the Vietnam War regularly and he has a 609 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 2: cup coffee, he says, with his fifty eight thousand men, 610 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 2: because every morning in Vietnam they would share a canteen 611 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 2: and of coffee. There wasn't enough for one for everyone, 612 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 2: and then every night not everyone would make it home. 613 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 2: And so now he goes where he can have his 614 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 2: coffee with all of them. And he's been an advocate 615 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 2: for Vietnam veterans and faith in their processing of their 616 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 2: grief and everything. 617 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 3: So he tells the story a lot better than I do. 618 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 2: But that's just a taste of, you know, the miracles 619 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 2: that these guys experienced on the battlefield. But then how 620 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 2: the true miracle and the true incredible story sometimes is 621 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 2: what happened after. 622 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to do an honor airflight with Vietnam 623 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: vet's for Fox and Friends and it was definitely one 624 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: of the most special days I've had, just like seeing 625 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: how important it meant you know it was for them, 626 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: and how much of a blessing it was for them 627 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: to be celebrated like that. I mean seeing like grown 628 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: men cry like you know, which I'm sure in your 629 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: interviews with a lot of these people, I'm sure it's 630 00:30:58,840 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: emotional too. 631 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 2: Yes. Yes, And one of the POWs wrote me after 632 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 2: actually and said after he read it, and he said, 633 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 2: I I cried throughout it, And he said, not for 634 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 2: what I endured. He was a six year tortuously captive pow, 635 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 2: but he said for how you told this story. And 636 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to turn it back to me, but 637 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 2: just to say that, yes, like the emotions invoked during 638 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 2: these stories, we were cried through most of them, for sure, 639 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 2: you know, laughed as well. 640 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 3: We always prayed before and after. 641 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 2: But then to have that reaction from him of how 642 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 2: I I captured it, I knew that was all God, 643 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 2: and I was so grateful because again, the whole purpose 644 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 2: was to honor them, like with your honor flight. You're right, 645 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 2: and I'm so glad you did that, to experience that 646 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 2: with them, to see that reverence they hold for each 647 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 2: other and for their service, and to show your reverence 648 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 2: because I know you have a heart for it too. 649 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 3: Any every patriot does you know? You can't, you can't not. 650 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: And in course, you know, people are saying how speciful 651 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: the book is. It is in New York time, i'ms 652 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: bestseller the very first week it went on stale, which 653 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: is such an honor and a testament to you know 654 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: how special the book is and how important the messages 655 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: in the book are. You know, as we celebrate Christmas, 656 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: is there anything else you'd like to leave us with 657 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: Emily before we go? 658 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 2: Ah, First of all, merry Christmas, and give that The 659 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 2: two lessons in the book, the penultimate one is that 660 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 2: you are never alone, that God is always with you. 661 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 2: And then secondarily to that, that you are never alone 662 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 2: in fellowship, and that if anyone is feeling alone at all, 663 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 2: just know that you are not. God is with you 664 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 2: and there are people here to support you. 665 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 3: So please reach out. There are many of us that 666 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 3: will be there in a heartbeat. 667 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: Under his wings. How faith on the front lines has 668 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: protected American troops. Go out and get it. Catch Emily 669 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: on Outnumbered. And now I've got to tune in to 670 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: the true crime podcast of this art Forger. That sounds 671 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: very interesting, So I'm going to have to watch that. 672 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 2: You're gonna love it, And I was gonna say, like, 673 00:32:58,760 --> 00:32:59,959 Speaker 2: I wish I could reciprocate. 674 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,959 Speaker 3: I'm so honored to be on your pod, but like, 675 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 3: it's a good thing that you're not invited to my 676 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 3: podcast because it means you haven't had a crime happen 677 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 3: to you. 678 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,239 Speaker 2: So it's a good thing to not be invited on 679 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 2: my pod. 680 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,719 Speaker 1: As much as I would love to come on your podcast, 681 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: I'm praying that you never have a reason to interviewing 682 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: for it. 683 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 3: Strange morning on one exactly, I'm like. 684 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's the first time I've been like, 685 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: I actually do not want to go on your podcast, 686 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: but it's only because of the reasons that would bring 687 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: me to it, exactly exactly. I'll be a listener only exactly. Well, 688 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: congrats on the success of the book. It's it's so special. 689 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: So I'm so glad that you know so many people 690 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: see that as well, and we will continue to watch 691 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: you one out numbered and uh wish you continued success 692 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: and Merry Christmas, and my friend, I'm sure i'll see 693 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: you soon, so you. 694 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 3: Are the best. Merry Christmas. I love you. Thank you 695 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 3: so much for this. Thank you so much for this time. 696 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 2: I'm so grateful and I can't wait to have you 697 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 2: back on the couch in New York hopefully soon, or 698 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 2: better yet, me visiting you and Sunni Miami. 699 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: I think that yes, you'll let me know yes. Love 700 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,720 Speaker 1: you to Mary Christmas, I'm so proud and happy for you. Congratulations. 701 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: Thank you. That was Emily Campagno, a co host of 702 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,439 Speaker 1: Outnumbered and author of Under His Wings. What a special book. 703 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: We appreciate her time. We appreciate you guys at home 704 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: for listening every Monday and Thursday, but you can listen 705 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: throughout the week. Also want to think John Cassio and 706 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 1: my producer for putting the show together. Until next time.