WEBVTT - The Manson Family Murders Part I 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:04.600 Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:14.280 dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:17.280 and there's Charles W Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry over there, 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:20.040 and we make up the Stuff you Should Know family, 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:30.440 the peace loving, acid loving, no murdering nice family. Did 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:34.479 I say acid loving in there? You did? Oh? We 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:38.760 just meant peace loving, non murdering family. Yeah. And you 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:40.960 know what, hopefully there are no kids listening to this 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:43.680 one anyway, so we can let everyone else know that 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:48.440 we take LSD before every episode. Sure, I mean the 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:52.280 slogan of our show is wow, He's Alie. Yeah, so 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:54.560 c o A. For those of you who did not 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:57.520 see the title, Uh, if you're listening to your kids 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:00.680 about the Manson family murders out of c o A, 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:04.200 then you need a parenting c o A. Yeah for real. 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:06.440 But there are lots of grizzly details in this, so 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.120 obviously you may want to skip this one. With a 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:13.759 on a on a family picnic, Yeah, it might kind 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.200 of bring it down a couple of degrees. Might be 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:20.479 a drag, you know, probably so Uh, speaking of drags, Chuck, 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:26.000 I'll tell you who is a drag Charles Manson. He was. 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.760 He was so like, there's this, there's this reputed legend 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:33.280 that Charles Manson tried out for the Monkeys. It was rejected, 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:37.119 and that was ultimately why he um ordered these these 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:41.440 grizzly murders. Um of what that will definitely get into. 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.720 But it turns out that's absolutely false. Yeah, that that 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.520 I've heard that and it always sounded to me like 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.440 an urban legend. Well, so the thing is, it's got 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:52.920 like all sorts of interesting facets to it, though right, 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:56.080 it's demonstrably false. He was in prison at the time 0:01:56.120 --> 0:02:01.040 the Monkeys tryouts were held. But it kind of coincides 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:04.080 with this larger part of Charles Manson's life that not 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:07.560 everybody is fully aware of, which is that he wanted 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:11.000 to be a star. He wanted to be a musical 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:17.400 recording star, and he actually had. He made some inroads 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.519 into that career, and I have read theories that it 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:24.680 is possible that these murders were ordered as a means 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:29.400 of venting Manson's frustration that his music career wasn't going 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:32.160 as well as he thought it should, and sending a 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:35.240 message to some people in the music industry that he 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:38.480 made contact with to basically say, hey, I can't kill 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:40.839 you because I need you, but I can kill other 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:44.280 people to get you going and and get my music 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:47.800 career off the ground. What's the hold up? Which is 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:50.920 just like the Manson family murders on their face, as 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:55.760 they're largely understood, is nuts. But if that's the real 0:02:56.560 --> 0:03:00.520 thing behind all of this, that's just the depths of pravity, 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:03.959 of human depravity that people are capable of. I bet 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:07.480 that's not like the sole reason. But but you know, 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:11.560 like if you really strip reasons down, like what are 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.200 motivations for things? Like is it really you know, to 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.400 bring on Helter Skelter? Is it because he was a 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:19.760 frustrated musician? You know? Like you can say the same 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.959 thing about Hitler, like was there a kernel of Hitler's 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:26.239 rejection from the art world and from people at large 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:30.040 that drove him to to order the horrible things that 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:33.480 he ordered the Nazis to do? Like it makes you wonder, 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:37.520 like what is the motivation but behind world changing events 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:40.200 when you break them down to a personal level. Yeah, 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:43.960 I mean, well, Manson, to be fair, was had mental 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:48.280 illness in a lifetime of rejection, so this could all 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:51.880 affector in for sure. Yeah. But so I mean you 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:54.560 you you asked for this article to be written, didn't you. 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.640 Was this your jam? Yeah? We yeah. At the Grabster 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:02.160 we can sort of petition him to write articles at times, 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.720 and this was definitely one of them. Yeah. So did 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.400 you know a lot about the Manson family murders and 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:11.640 the family themselves and all that stuff already? Yeah? So 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:15.200 you this was this is probably still part of like 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:18.240 the cultural zeitgeist when you were becoming like aware of 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:21.080 the world as a kid. Huh. Yeah. Like I definitely 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:26.000 remember the book Helter Skelter being a huge, huge thing. Um. 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:30.240 And I remember a time before, like media was so 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:34.239 robust when the idea of Charles Manson was just so 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:37.279 terrifying to me. I do too, uh. And then I 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:41.880 got older and saw interviews and I was like, oh, 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:46.160 he's just a little tiny redneck. Yeah, like it all vanished. 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:49.040 I was like, oh my god, he's just he's just 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:53.040 a little redneck. Yeah. I think that's what. There were 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:55.160 two things that kids of the eighties went through as 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:59.680 far as awakenings. Were concerned that the Soviet people were 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:03.000 not murder all of us, and that Charles Manson was 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:06.520 not actually scary. He was just a dumb redneck behind bars. Yeah, 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:08.640 I mean he what he did was horrific to be sure, 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:11.640 so I'm not like minimizing that. But as far as 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:16.400 the person, he was this larger than life, scary as 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:20.880 crap dude to me, until you know, interviews started coming 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.200 out and sit down with like Diane Sawyer was like, 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:25.680 this guy's a joke. But for a little while there 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:30.200 he was legitimately America's worst nightmare because at the time, 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:32.600 like a lot of people say, when the Manson family 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:35.359 committed these murders and it it came out, you know, 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:40.080 a couple of months later, that's some depraved acid head 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.320 hippies had actually committed these gruesome crimes that had captured 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:48.800 the nation's attention. It suddenly gave the establishment, who had 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:52.599 been looking for anything to lay on two hippies to say, see, see, 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.200 we told you you can't be trusted. Your whole piece 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:59.560 love um free stuff like that doesn't work. You can't 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:02.000 do that, because this is the outcome of it. Manson 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:05.239 was that personified and for a lot of for that reason, 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:08.479 a lot of people say, this guy, these murders ended 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:11.560 the the summer of love and the era of hippies 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:14.080 and ushered in the seventies. Yeah, for sure. I mean 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:18.240 timing wise, Uh, it just seems very natural. And and 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:21.320 Ed even points out like even during the trial that 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.159 narrative was being laid down, it wasn't like years later 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.480 people look back and said this. Um. And he also, 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:29.320 I thought it was really interesting. I never really put 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:33.760 it into context like Ed did. But Um, the moon landing, 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:37.400 the very first moon landing that is, happened two weeks 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:42.320 uh before the Manson family murders, and then a week 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:45.920 after the murders was Woodstock. So that was a that 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:50.039 was a nutty month, it really was in America. And 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:52.560 and again, these murders when they took place, they were 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:55.320 just no one had any idea who the Manson family 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:57.240 was except for a handful of people out in l 0:06:57.279 --> 0:06:59.560 A and some cops that had run ins with them. 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:01.840 But they were not famous, and no one realized that 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:04.840 the Manson family had been responsible for these murders. They 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:07.880 were just these gruesome, unsolved murders. In between the moon 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:13.960 landing and Woodstock. Yeah, so a lot of people let's 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:16.600 start at the what a lot of people consider the beginning, 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:19.920 which is the night of August nine, um in a 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:23.120 house at one zero zero five zero C Yellow Drive, 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:28.840 which is in Beverly Hills, up in the hills, right, yeah, 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:31.520 I kind of looked up like three different places how 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:34.280 to pronounce that, and they all said yellow except for 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:39.400 Diane Sawyer said cello. And I'm like, man, is dians 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:44.320 what You're wrong? No about anything? No? Whatever? She says, 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:48.560 it's absolutely right. She could make turtlenecks, right. I used 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:52.280 to love turtlenecks. They had, They had a real heyday. 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:55.080 For sure. You don't see him anymore. I used to 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:56.920 wear him on. Don't be dumb, but it was kind 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:59.600 of a gag. I think I could still pull one off, maybe, 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.320 especially with the beard. Yeah. The beard would definitely help, 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.640 you know, because you could you could turn a certain 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:08.120 way and be like regular shirt turtleneck, regular shirt turtleneck, 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:10.640 just by just by moving your head and your beard 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:12.200 out of the way. Yeah. And of course in the 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:16.000 eighties I would rock the mock turtleneck regularly. Did you 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:18.160 I never really did. Did you wear them with Ze 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:22.160 cavaricis No? No, no, no, it wasn't. You didn't dress 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.800 like a c Slater. No, it was sort of um, 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:27.840 believe it or not, that was like a post preppy 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:31.920 thing where the mock turtleneck was acceptable and not cheesy. 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:36.120 Really in a preppy sense. I got you because I 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:39.640 was sort of a prep before I became a human monster. 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:43.120 I could see that did you did you wear the 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:46.240 La cost alligator and stuff? We couldn't afford that stuff, 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:50.079 So a word, the knockoffs or if I had the 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:53.360 lacost the alligator was like accidentally sewing onto the collar. 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:57.000 So oh yeah, yeah, we've had this conversation. Yeah, all 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:01.480 that good stuff factory seconds. Yep, that's Jory Remnant's nice. 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.400 So on this night on August nine, are we going 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:08.920 with Ciello or Diane Sawyer's cello? Just let's just say 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:13.720 that the house that Satan built, right, it's at there anymore? 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:18.360 By the way, No, they they tore it down, but 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.120 not before Trent Risner went in and recorded at nine 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:25.880 inch Nail's album There. Why not, um so at this 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.920 at this house at one zero zero five zero Ciello drive, 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:31.040 that's not there any longer. There's a knock at the 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:34.000 door in the night of August nine, around midnight. So 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:35.760 I don't know if that makes August nine or ten. 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:39.880 I couldn't get a definitive answer. But the door was 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:43.400 answered by a guy named Voitech fried Kowski, who was 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:46.480 known as a Polish playboy. He was friends of the 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:51.640 director Roman Polanski. Uh, and he was there because inside 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:55.439 that house was Roman Polanski's wife, Sharon Tate, who was 0:09:55.480 --> 0:10:00.440 eight months pregnant with their I believe their first child. Um. 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:02.440 I don't think they had any other children. Sharon type 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.520 was pretty young at the time, but um. Also inside 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.160 was Abigail Folger, who was the heiress to the Folger 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:12.640 Coffee fortune. And um, I think. Oh, one other guy, 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:15.520 J C. Brin, who was a stylist who was known 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:21.520 as the guy who introduced hair styling two men, So 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:24.000 he was pretty well off and pretty well known as 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:25.720 far as ELI went. And they're just kind of this 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:31.200 hip industry party crowd inside this this residence. And there 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:32.800 was a knock at the door and this guy was 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:34.679 there at on the other side of the door, and 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:37.480 he had a mustache and he was tall, kind of 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:42.199 a natural athlete type type from Texas. And he said, 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.160 I'm the devil and I'm here to do the devil's business. 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.000 And that was Texas Watson, and he entered the house 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:53.040 and this massacre of everybody inside began. Yeah, so what 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:56.440 had happened previous to that knock was Texas Watson climbed 0:10:56.480 --> 0:11:00.559 up a telephone pole, cut the phone line, and then 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:04.520 climbed the fence with a couple of other people, one 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:09.920 Susan Atkins and one Patricia krin Winkle, all Manson family members. 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.920 And we'll get into the whole family thing in a minute. Uh. 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:14.959 And so they climbed over the fence, went in. There 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:18.440 was a kid, a teenager named Steve Parent who was 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:22.120 leaving in his car already and he did not make 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:25.360 it out. Um. He was shot five times. He was 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:29.319 slashed and shot five times by tex Watson before he 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:33.079 could get down the driveway. So one murder had already 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:35.240 been committed on that property by the time they even 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:37.840 got to the house. Yeah. And if any of these people, 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.079 which you can definitely make the case all of them 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:43.199 were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Stephen 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:47.120 Parent was just doubly so he was visiting the caretaker 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:49.319 of the house. So he had nothing to do with 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:53.760 the the um, the Hollywood jet set people inside, or 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:56.520 the Manson family. He was just friends with somebody who 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:59.240 was like a worker at the house and he was 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:02.240 leaving at the time time too. Yeah, he would have 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:06.480 been friends with what was the guy's name from the 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:10.520 o j oh oh man. He would have been friends 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:14.280 with Kat o'kalin, which is Yeah, that would have been 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.480 a bad, bad thing to be I think talk about 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:19.719 a mock turtle neck, yeah, I think he has one 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:24.520 permanently tattooed on his neck. Uh. There was also a 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:28.280 third of Manson family member, Linda Kasabian, who was not 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:31.880 in the house, but she waited. Essentially was the getaway driver, 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:35.280 right and she'd just come into the family like a 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:38.240 month before. And apparently the reason she was out with 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:39.760 them was because she was the only one with the 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:43.640 valid driver's license out of that group. So Lenny Cassabian 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:49.760 sitting outside, tex Watson, Patricia Krannwinkel, and Um Susan Atkins 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:53.600 all entered the house and they just start killing everybody. Um. 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.320 Apparently Texas is the only one with a gun, but 0:12:56.400 --> 0:13:00.760 all three of them had knives. Patricia Cranwinkle found Abigail 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:04.599 Folder reading in bed and started to kill her. Um. 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.760 I believe Sharon Tate and J. C. Bring were in 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:10.920 the living room together and they were both um killed 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:15.000 there in the living room, um voytech fried Kowski made 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:17.120 it out of the house, but he was killed in 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:19.880 the front lawn. Abigail Folder, I think, made it out 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:23.120 the back and she died on the back lawn. And 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:25.640 one of the things about this is like the reason 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:30.040 the word massacres like such a an apt description like 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:33.240 these were. These were just basically like I don't know 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:35.439 how old text was. He was a little bit older, 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:39.720 but these are basically like seventeen eighteen, nineteen year old girls, um, 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:43.480 who had never done anything like this before, and we're 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:45.880 really not very good at it while they were doing 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:49.439 it this first time, um, And it was just bad 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:52.160 for everybody. Apparently, it's very brutal. There's a lot of 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:55.040 fear and terror and a lot of pain and torment 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:58.360 among everybody who was being killed in this house. It 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:01.480 wasn't easy clean. You would characterize it as like a hit. 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.760 It was a it was a massacre. Yeah. Abigail Folger 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:09.000 herself was stabbed twenty eight times. Uh, and then see 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:12.440 bringing Furkowski in addition to being stabbed, were also shot 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:17.520 and obviously Sharon Tate's unborn child was you know, killed 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:21.040 in this process as well. Uh. And supposedly and this 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:25.480 is a direct quote apparently, I guess from the trial, um, 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.640 the directive from Charles Manson. And if you don't know this, 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:32.000 I guess we should go ahead and say Charles Manson um. 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:34.720 Even though later on other people said that Tex Watson 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:39.040 was more acting on his own and misunderstood Manson's directive. 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:42.800 But Charles Manson ordered these killings, um, which we'll get into. 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:46.920 But he told Watson supposedly totally destroy everyone in that 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:51.200 house as gruesome as you can. So in addition to 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:55.360 the to the mutilation of the bodies um, and like 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:59.720 post mortem stab wounds, there was stuff written on the 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:04.080 wall and their blood like pig and uh, well I 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:05.560 think pig was the only thing written on the wall 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.120 at this one, right on the front door, which is 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:12.400 a obviously was a reference to cops at the time, right, 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:14.920 and they wrote it and Sharon takes blood, right, So 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:19.640 pig is on the door and blood. Um. The perpetrators 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:21.920 got away, the Manson family got away. They made it 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:24.760 back to I think the Spawn Ranch, which is one 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.240 of the places they were staying. So then two nights 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:30.920 later Manson orders the family to go do it again. 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.560 He's he actually said that they according to texts and 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:37.200 and the rest of them, he actually said that they'd 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.280 done it wrong. They had created panic and fear in 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:42.800 these people, and they needed to do it right this time. 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:45.320 But to go go out and butcher another family. And 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.440 he took him to a house and it was a 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.920 house next door to this house that the Manson family 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:54.040 used to party at. Um it was a friend of 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:59.600 one of Manson's record producer friends. And next door was 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:03.560 just a normal, unassuming couple who had, from what I understand, 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:06.440 no interaction with the Manson's at any point in time. 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:11.880 Um it was this couple named Leno and Rosemary Labianka, 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:16.160 and they were just about his middle class, upper middle 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:20.200 class America establishment as you could get. Yeah, he was 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:24.280 actually lived less than two miles from this house. It 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:28.200 was in uh the Lows Fieless neighborhood, and just the 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:30.960 night before they had had a party at this news 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:33.240 house who And the reason he didn't want to go 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:35.360 back to that house is because he thought maybe it 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:37.040 could be tied back to him in some way because 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:39.920 he was there the night before. So they just randomly 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.240 picked the neighbor. Uh. And there was six of the 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:47.280 followers there, the original four from the Tate House plus 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.920 Leslie van Houghton and Clem Grogan I think it was 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:54.320 his name. Uh, And yeah it was. It was talking 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.360 about wrong place, wrong time. They were just in there, 0:16:56.920 --> 0:17:01.600 joining their evening, and um Manson did break. He was, actually, 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:04.000 like you said, there for this one, whereas he wasn't 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:07.320 even there for the Tate one. And he took part 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:11.080 in the tying up. Uh. But then he left, which 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:16.840 very cowardly left. And this whole thing just reeks of cowardice, like, 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:19.960 go do my dirty work for me, kind of in 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:23.320 most of these cases. Right. So they tie up the 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:28.600 la Bianca's um. They murdered them brutally again. Um. They 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:32.800 carved war in Mr la Bianca's stomach um with a knife. 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.240 They left of the knife sticking out of his neck. 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:38.080 They left a fork sticking out of his stomach. It 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:41.000 was just another really gruesome scene. And then again in 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:46.800 blood they wrote they wrote things around the house like, um, 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:51.280 they wrote political No, they wrote um pigs again. Yeah, 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.520 they were death to pigs. They wrote they misspelled it. 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.560 They wrote helter skelter, which we'll get into that was 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:01.680 a Beatles song, which factor is in pretty heavily. Uh. 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.880 And then there wrote Rise and the whole notion here 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.199 and we'll cover this in detail more later too, was 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:10.879 that Manson was trying to, or at least he says, 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:13.840 he was trying to ignite a race war and have 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:17.480 it um appear that black people and and maybe even 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:20.800 black panthers had killed these white people, which would and 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:23.880 then turn spark a race war. They would all kill 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:26.359 each other and the Manson And the reason I'm laughing 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.639 is because it's just so ridiculously impulse implausible, and that 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:31.879 then the Manson family would be the only people left 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:35.240 and they could rule the world. Yeah, that was supposedly 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:40.679 the whole thing behind Helterskelter. So the cops in l A, 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:44.000 the the Sheriff's Department and the l A cops have 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:48.679 um two different murder scenes that are obviously related, but 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:52.159 early on they didn't they didn't connect them yet. It 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:54.960 took it took a minute, but once they did, these 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:57.639 two murders came to be known as the Tate la 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:00.760 Bianca murders. Before anyone knew who the Manson family was, 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:04.240 and it was a big deal. Um, but you have 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:06.800 to go back even further to understand what's going on 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:11.080 and to understand the eventual prosecution of the Manson family 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:14.600 to another murder, and we will dive into that one 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:45.680 after this. Okay, Chuck. So everybody knows about the Tate 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:49.440 La Bianca murders, so much so that they're frequently called 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:51.800 the Manson family murders. But it turns out that the 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:55.800 Manson family was already involved in another previous murder um 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:59.160 a couple of weeks before the Tate and La Bianca 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:02.760 murders happened. I think in like late July of nineteen 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:06.280 sixty nine, right, yeah, I mean there was one other 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:11.840 murder and an attempted murder and then and not quite 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:16.800 attempted murder also right. Uh. So that the one you're 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:20.560 talking about, I think is probably Gary Henman, who uh 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:25.000 he was, Well, why don't you go and explain how 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:28.119 he fit into this whole thing? Okay? So Gary Henman 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:32.240 was a music teacher, um who was a friend of 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:34.960 the Manson family. I don't think he ever was considered 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:37.200 like a Manson family member, but he was a buddy 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:42.760 of them, um and he either had a trust fund 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:44.760 coming or there was a rumor that he he had 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:47.480 access to a trust fund of like twenty thousand dollars, 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:51.280 and so the Manson family went over to rob him. 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:55.639 I think Bobby Bosley was the leader of that um, 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:59.520 and they went over to rob him. Or he had 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:02.000 supply the Manson family with a bunch of mescal and 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:05.080 that they in turn sold to a motorcycle gang that 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:07.840 was not happy that when it turned out the mescaline 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:10.439 was bad who wanted their money back. So the Manson 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:12.600 family had gone to go get their money back from 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:15.080 this guy, and apparently he had said, like, I don't 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:17.320 have any money, but here, I'll sign over the title 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:20.520 of my cars to you. Here are the keys um 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:23.040 And at this point they had him tied up and 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:26.600 I'm not entirely certain why, but Charles Manson, and this 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:30.160 is widely agreed upon, I think even by Manson himself, 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:36.320 that Manson came over to the house to basically assist 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:39.280 in in like getting this guy to cough up his money. 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:41.800 Maybe that's what it was. And he took a sword 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:45.520 and chopped off part of the guy's ear. Yeah, and 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:48.520 depending on who you believe, some say Manson actually ended 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:52.520 up killing him. Other people say that Bobby Bosliel ended 0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:56.080 up stabbing him to death. Uh, Manson was on the 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:57.760 scene for this one though, which was different than the 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:00.960 other murders, and uh guess it just depends on who 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:04.679 you believe it was. Bussola was eventually arrested while driving 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:10.200 that car of Henman's, so um him instead Busy Little's 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:13.800 in jail. And uh, you have to actually go back 0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:18.000 even further to find the first at least attempted murder 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:22.280 by the Manson family, um earlier in July, on July one. 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:24.640 This is just a bad jam if you really start 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:26.960 thinking about, like all these dates are so compressed, and 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:28.959 you think about the Manson family just being in this 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:32.520 crazy like murderous kill spree and it really only went 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:35.440 for like a month basically, you know, four or five 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:37.919 weeks um. But they did a lot of damage in 0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:41.200 that time. But the whole thing started, and you can 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:43.000 make the case and a lot of people do that. 0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:47.520 The whole thing, everything else that followed actually started on 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:51.080 July one, when Charles Manson went to the apartment of 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:54.480 a syndicate drug dealer, like a big time drug dealer 0:22:54.880 --> 0:23:01.800 named um Bernard. Lots of Papa Crow right. Yeah, and uh, 0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:04.520 the Manson thought that he might have been a black panther. 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:06.840 I don't think that was ever confirmed. I read a 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:10.920 lot of articles kind of going back and forth. But um, regardless, 0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:14.199 Manson thought he was a black panther. There was a 0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:17.320 double crossing deal that went on, and they went over 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:22.280 and Manson actually shot Crow and thought he had killed him, 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:24.600 but he did not die. And he did not go 0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:27.199 to the cops because he you know, what do you 0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:29.640 do go to the cops and say, hey, a double 0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:34.120 crossed these weirdo rednecks hippies. No, they double crossed him. 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:37.320 They double crossed him. Oh see I read that he 0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:41.600