WEBVTT - What Trump's Diagnosis Means

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Prognosis. I'm Laura Carlson. It's stay two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and five since coronavirus was declared a global pandemic. Today's

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<v Speaker 1>main story. It would be difficult by now to escape

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<v Speaker 1>the news that US President Donald Trump and his wife

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<v Speaker 1>Malania have tested positive for the coronavirus. What we still

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<v Speaker 1>don't know is what this means for the President's health

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<v Speaker 1>and for an election that's just weeks away. But first,

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<v Speaker 1>here's what else happened in virus news today. US job

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<v Speaker 1>gains slowed in September, and many Americans quit looking for work.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a sign that the economic recovery is slowing down.

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<v Speaker 1>The virus continues to rage, and neither a vaccine nor

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<v Speaker 1>a fresh round of government aid are expected soon. The

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<v Speaker 1>economy added six hundred and sixty one thousand new jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>Economists had forecast a gain of eight hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>nine thousand. The unemployment rate fell slightly to seven point

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<v Speaker 1>nine percent, but labor force participation also fell. US House

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<v Speaker 1>Speaker Nancy Pelosi said negotiations a new stimulus with the

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<v Speaker 1>White House will press ahead, and that Trump's COVID nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>diagnosis might change the tenor of the talks by emphasizing

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<v Speaker 1>the seriousness of the pandemic. Pelosi and Treasury Secretary Stephen

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<v Speaker 1>Manuchin exchanged proposals on a virus relief package Thursday night

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<v Speaker 1>and spoke by telephone on Friday, but it was unclear

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<v Speaker 1>whether that included discussion about the stimulus. The Speaker and

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<v Speaker 1>other Democrats have accused Senate Republicans and the White House

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<v Speaker 1>of not recognizing the stint of damage that the coronavirus

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<v Speaker 1>pandemic has caused and how big a threat remains. On

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<v Speaker 1>MSNBC Today, Pelosi said, quote, this kind of changes the dynamic. Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>astra Zenica's clinical trial for its COVID nineteen vaccine has

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<v Speaker 1>resumed in Japan, adding to earlier restarts around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>According to a statement from the drug maker, regulators have

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<v Speaker 1>deemed trials to be safe after a participant became ill

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<v Speaker 1>last month, triggering a voluntary pause. According to astra Zenica,

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<v Speaker 1>tests have restarted now in the UK, Brazil, South Africa,

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<v Speaker 1>and India. The Food and Drug Administration has yet to

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<v Speaker 1>make a decision regarding the resumption of a US based trial.

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<v Speaker 1>And now, for today's main story, President Donald Trump's diagnosis

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<v Speaker 1>of coronavirus has raised questions about everything from the Supreme

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<v Speaker 1>Court nomination process, to the possibility of future presidential debates,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course, the unprecedented possibility of a candidate being

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<v Speaker 1>removed from the ticket this late in an election year,

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<v Speaker 1>with so many questions and so few answers, I spoke

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<v Speaker 1>to Drew Armstrong, Senior editor for Healthcare and Healthcare reporter

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle fake Cortets to discuss what we know and still

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<v Speaker 1>don't know about what happens next. Michelle, I was wondering

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<v Speaker 1>if you might just very briefly sketch a timeline for

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<v Speaker 1>us in terms of how we discovered that President Trump

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<v Speaker 1>and the First Lady had tested positive for coronavirus. President

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<v Speaker 1>Trump learned early on Thursday that his close advisor Hope Hicks,

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<v Speaker 1>had tested positive for coronavirus. Now you'll remember that everyone

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<v Speaker 1>in the White House is tested every single day for

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<v Speaker 1>coronavirus to make sure that they are not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be exposing President Trump to the pathogen. In this particular case,

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<v Speaker 1>Hope Hicks tested negative early on Wednesday, and then Wednesday evening,

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<v Speaker 1>after a rally in Minnesota, she started feeling unwell and

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<v Speaker 1>she isolated herself on Air Force One. On Thursday morning,

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<v Speaker 1>the President learned that Hicks had tested positive, and he

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<v Speaker 1>himself then got tested rather than quarantining for the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the day. However, he did continue with his activities

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<v Speaker 1>that included a rally and a fundraiser in New Jersey

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<v Speaker 1>on Thursday night. Later that evening, he found out that

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<v Speaker 1>he also had tested positive, along with his wife, First

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<v Speaker 1>Lady Milania Trump. And in terms of the gap between

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<v Speaker 1>when we know that he was perhaps first exposed to

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<v Speaker 1>the virus and his positive test result, he was still

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<v Speaker 1>quite active, and he was at several events and in

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<v Speaker 1>contact with numerous people. Do we know or have any

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<v Speaker 1>idea about how many people he may have exposed to

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<v Speaker 1>this virus. I think that's one of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>the White House is trying to figure out right now.

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<v Speaker 1>We've obviously today seen news headline after news headline about

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<v Speaker 1>other officials who have tested negative, and a handful that

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<v Speaker 1>have tested positive who've been in contact either with Trump

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<v Speaker 1>with other people affiliated with the administration. Senator Mike Lee

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<v Speaker 1>of Utah, I think it was just announced has tested positive.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that we'll see more of these going forward,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think it's worth keeping in mind with

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<v Speaker 1>how the White House protects the President and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>safeguards UH staff in the White House, they rely very

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<v Speaker 1>heavily on testing as opposed to mask wearing. Um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think the problem with that is that tests

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<v Speaker 1>are very very good at picking up infections that have

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<v Speaker 1>already happened. Um, there don't themselves prevent infections like social

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<v Speaker 1>distancing and mask wearing and things like that, which can

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<v Speaker 1>be quite effective in doing so. So it means that

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<v Speaker 1>even though you catch infections early on and stop the

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<v Speaker 1>spread that they could cause from getting worse or spreading

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<v Speaker 1>to more and more people, it's really more of a

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<v Speaker 1>limiting effect than a fully preventative one. And just in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of the test results coming back, is it too

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<v Speaker 1>early to tell just how many people may have been exposed.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost certainly too early to know for sure how

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<v Speaker 1>many people may actually develop this In terms of I

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<v Speaker 1>think one of the things I want to draw distinction

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<v Speaker 1>between you mentioned the word exposed. When public health workers

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<v Speaker 1>do contact tracing, which is exactly what's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>going on at the White House right now, exposures what

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<v Speaker 1>they're looking for. You know, you're just looking to see

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<v Speaker 1>were you around somebody who had the disease. Just being

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<v Speaker 1>exposed doesn't mean you're going to get infected. Testing is

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<v Speaker 1>what's going to pick up the actual infections themselves, but

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<v Speaker 1>it can take a little while for the testing to

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<v Speaker 1>actually find those infections. Remember, people get more and more

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<v Speaker 1>virus in their system as an infection grows, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>when they begin to become something attic, which is another

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<v Speaker 1>way of noticing affection to trigger a reason for people

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<v Speaker 1>to go and get a test. And so it may

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<v Speaker 1>be that someone who was just exposed and doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>an infection that's really taken hold, they might not have

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<v Speaker 1>enough virus for test to be able to detect yet um.

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<v Speaker 1>And it may be that they tested they were exposed,

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<v Speaker 1>they test negative early on, and then later they do

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<v Speaker 1>test positive. So just because we're seeing these headlines about

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<v Speaker 1>people uh testing negative for the virus today doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>that they're necessarily going to test negative for it tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>or in the coming case. And Michelle, I was wondering

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<v Speaker 1>if you might go into just what we can know

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<v Speaker 1>so far about what President Trump is experiencing with regard

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<v Speaker 1>to the virus. Obviously, disinfection was caught very very early,

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<v Speaker 1>so he's showing some mild symptoms. At this point, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what the definition of mild is, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have a feeling that that's going to be a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>we're all going to be having quite a lot in

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<v Speaker 1>the coming days. But we do know that some people

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<v Speaker 1>pro rests and other people don't. So for the next

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<v Speaker 1>four to five days, doctors are telling me it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be really critical to keep an eye on the

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<v Speaker 1>president to determine whether or not he is showing signs

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<v Speaker 1>of fever, whether he is showing any issues with some

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<v Speaker 1>early signs of breathing difficulty, whether or not he is

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<v Speaker 1>struggling with fatigue and just feeling unwell, and it could progress,

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<v Speaker 1>but we won't know for a couple of days. And

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<v Speaker 1>let's look at some of the more general risk factors

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<v Speaker 1>for President Trump in terms of his age and overall health.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, how are those potentially affecting his his experience

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<v Speaker 1>of the virus. President Trump is absolutely in a higher

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<v Speaker 1>risk group. He's not only older, he also is overweight,

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<v Speaker 1>and he has some other signs of potential heart issues,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly when it comes to high cholesterol levels. On the

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<v Speaker 1>other hand, he has been pretty healthy in general. He

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have other issues like any active heart problems, any

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<v Speaker 1>blood clotting problems. As a general rule, he is a

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<v Speaker 1>healthy He's a healthy guy. So most people, even in

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<v Speaker 1>the high risk groups, do survive this virus. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump is not the first world leader to have

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<v Speaker 1>tested positive for the virus. We think of, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>Brazilian President Billsonaro and UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson. Is

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<v Speaker 1>there anything we can take from the other experiences of

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<v Speaker 1>coronavirus by world leaders? I think it's really hard to

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<v Speaker 1>figure this out. I mean, those are you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>easy to lump those three in together because obviously all

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<v Speaker 1>three of them, UM, at some point or another work. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It was not that they weren't taking the virus particularly seriously. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>But the politics of each of those countries have meaningful differences,

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<v Speaker 1>and how they communicate about virus has meaningful differences. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that it's a bit it's a bit difficult

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<v Speaker 1>to draw two to brush across what that tells us,

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<v Speaker 1>But it does tell us that if you don't take

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<v Speaker 1>this thing seriously, you do raise your risk of being infected. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is certainly telling that the three of

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<v Speaker 1>them did become UM infected UM, whereas other world leaders

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<v Speaker 1>have not. We are, of course, only a few weeks

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<v Speaker 1>out from the election. What does this positive test result

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<v Speaker 1>mean for Trump's campaign trail? Well, obviously, you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>are about a month away from the from election day.

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<v Speaker 1>Many people are voting now. I think it's also worth

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<v Speaker 1>noting that, you know, the pandemic and the virus has

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<v Speaker 1>been a huge issue in this campaign and particularly Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>response to it, and he has repeatedly played down the

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<v Speaker 1>severity of the virus UM. If you look at his

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<v Speaker 1>campaign rallies, people don't wear masks. There's certainly been some

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<v Speaker 1>controversy about the debate earlier this week where members of

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<v Speaker 1>the Trump campaign were at the debate we're not wearing masks,

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<v Speaker 1>against the advice of the Cleveland clinic that was running it.

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<v Speaker 1>And so there is a moment here that shows that, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>he can in fact be infected. Now. I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things that people may take away from

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<v Speaker 1>this is going to depend on how severe his case is.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's sort of grimm to think about that, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if he comes out of this with a

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<v Speaker 1>very mild case and comes out and then says, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this was no big deal. Then some of his supporters

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<v Speaker 1>and other people are in the country may take a

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<v Speaker 1>very different lesson away from that. So I think this

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<v Speaker 1>is something that politically and from a public health standpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>really has yet to play out, and we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>find more about it in the coming days and beyond

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<v Speaker 1>the election. We're also in a full scale rush for

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<v Speaker 1>a vaccine. We're also waiting on another potential stimulus package.

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<v Speaker 1>How will President Trump's new COVID status potentially affect both

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<v Speaker 1>or either of these, Yes, certainly. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Washington is all about meetings, FaceTime, getting things done. Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>a tremendous amount of business is being conducted just like

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<v Speaker 1>everyone else over resume and over phone right now. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think it's this is certainly an event

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<v Speaker 1>that has disrupted just about everything going on um and

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna it is gonna slow things down, is going

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<v Speaker 1>to cause people to rethink their political calculus about one

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<v Speaker 1>thing or another. I mean, you know, anything that takes

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<v Speaker 1>attention off of the task at hand is is a

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<v Speaker 1>bad thing for the momentum of getting those things done,

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<v Speaker 1>whether they be a Supreme Court domination, a stimulus package

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<v Speaker 1>or something else. And finally, is it possible that Trump

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<v Speaker 1>having COVID will significantly affect how Americans will vote in

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<v Speaker 1>the upcoming election. I think it's really hard to know

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<v Speaker 1>how this is going to affect the election. Um. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it is certainly going to weigh on how people

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<v Speaker 1>see Trump's response to the virus, which obviously is a huge, huge,

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<v Speaker 1>huge issue. And we're seeing the virus effect everything from

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<v Speaker 1>you mail in voting and absentee voting to fears about

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<v Speaker 1>in person voting. So I think a lot of those

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<v Speaker 1>effects have already played out. Um. And I think the

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<v Speaker 1>reality is that, you know, until we know how the

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<v Speaker 1>patient in chief's illness place out, we're not gonna necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>know the full political implications of this, but it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be very interesting to watch over the coming weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>That was Drew Armstrong and Michelle fake Ortez and that's

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