1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life, 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, 6 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party. 7 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after 8 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get from one full episode 9 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard, to dig into 10 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to confront 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, 12 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 1: we're discussing the passing of the Grateful Debts Bob. We're 13 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: in the long, strange weirdness of his affiliation with Bohemian Grove. 14 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: We talked Johnny Thunders in first wave punk and get 15 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: into your emails, comments, dms, and as always a whole 16 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: lot of This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, 17 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 1: the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best 18 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: history is the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where 19 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: I tell the stories they didn't want told, the kind 20 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: you'll end up telling someone else. All Right, this goes, 21 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: let's get into it. Grateful dead guitarist Bob Weird died 22 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: since the last time we spoke. I'm not going to 23 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: eulogize him here. You can get plenty of that elsewhere 24 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: and by people who's grateful. Dead fandom honestly runs a 25 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: lot deeper than mine. But I will say that in 26 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: all of my research, in everything that I've read, every 27 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,559 Speaker 1: person I've ever spoken to about the band, including one 28 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: dead associate, who could only really be closer to the 29 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: band if you were in the band. That's how close 30 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: he was. In all all that, I never came across 31 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: a shred of credible information that painted Bob Weir as 32 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: a bad guy. And believe me, my rock and roll 33 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: dirt bag antenna is pretty finely tuned, as you know. 34 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: I think that it's safe to say that in an 35 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: industry filled with feral animals, most of whom are driven 36 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: by insatiable IDs, and for whom kindness and selflessness are 37 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: oftentimes in short supply, I think it's safe to say 38 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 1: that Bob Weir was one of the good guys. I'm 39 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: not suggesting the man was perfect, none of us are. 40 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: Bob was the baby of the group. He was just seventeen. 41 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 1: He's seventeen years old. Imagine that seventeen when he joined 42 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: the band, he stayed in that band his whole life. 43 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: Back then, they were known as Mother mccree's Uptown jug 44 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: Champions before famously changing their name to The Grateful Dead, 45 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: and maybe being the youngest had something to do with 46 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: Bob playing the straight man to Jerry Garcia's far out, 47 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: improv and sometimes personal, unhinged liberation. But Bob Weir was 48 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: still a member of one of, if not the greatest 49 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: and strangest American rock and roll bands of all time, 50 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: a band that lived and died by its own DIY 51 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: code of artistic and personal freedom, freedom at all costs. 52 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: My point is that though Bob Weir was the group's 53 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: straight man, he was still a member of the Grateful Dead, 54 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: which is why this whole Bohemian Grove affiliation with Bob 55 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: always struck me as being just so weird, so strange. 56 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: Now I've resisted this story for years, but now might 57 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: be the time that I dive in not to capitalize 58 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: on Bob's death. By the time I'm done researching and 59 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: releasing this story, a handful of other influential artists musicians 60 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: will likely have passed, so it's clearly not it. The 61 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: real reason is to find out what the hell was 62 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: actually going on. Now, if you aren't familiar with Bohemian 63 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: Grove and you start researching it on the Internet, you're 64 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: likely going to run across some descriptions to paint a 65 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: picture of just a simple social club for ultra connected, 66 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: rich right wing dudes from CIA families, from the prep 67 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: school in the Age of America. And you might also 68 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: run into some folks who think Bohemian Grove is the 69 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: Illuminatis headquarters. It's the legacy of Alistair Crowley and the 70 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: keeper of all Things Bear Olesley, and of mk ultra's 71 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: dark as Secrets. Bohemian Grove is a target rich subject 72 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: for conspiracy theorists, which I have to admit both repels 73 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: and compels me. But either way you can't get around 74 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: Bob Weir's involvement, his affiliation, his membership. Now, it doesn't 75 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: make him a member of the Illuminati, but it does 76 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: beg the question why was the guitarist for The Grateful 77 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: Dead hanging out with Donald Rumsfeld? Okay? The Bohemian Club 78 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: is a private San Francisco based club that owns and 79 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: operates Bohemian Grove, about seventy five miles north of the city. 80 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 1: The club hosts one yearly retreat. But this is a 81 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: retreat whose members are exclusively rich wealthy, actually not rich wealthy, 82 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: let's be clear, and of America's old guard ruling class. 83 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: These are pre globalism titans think twentieth century, not twenty 84 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: first century. Pre Davos e global economic influence back when 85 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: white waspy dudes with Ivy League pedigrees that stretch back 86 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: to the First World War and beyond when those dudes 87 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: still ran everything. Bohemian Grove is for dudes who started 88 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: the OSS, which became the CIA. Okay, these are the 89 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,679 Speaker 1: types of people who were hanging out at Boian Grove. Again, 90 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: Bob weird and Bohemian Groove is also coase without saying probably. 91 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: It's also super white, hardly any Jews as members or blacks, 92 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:17,119 Speaker 1: super waspy, Protestant, decidedly not Catholic. It's rumored that Edward 93 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: Teller planned the Manhattan Project at Bohemian Grove. In nineteen 94 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: sixty seven. Richard Nixon kicked off his sixty eight campaign 95 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: informally by giving a talk at Bohemian Grove and Nixon 96 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: was later caught on one of his Oval office tapes 97 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: describing Bohemian Grove as quote the most faggy, goddamn thing 98 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: you could ever imagine. Unquote more on that in a second. 99 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: And the retreats at Bohemian Grove they produce their own entertainment. Okay, 100 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever seen The Good Shepherd, 101 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: the Robert De Niro Matt Damon movie about the CIA 102 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: and the origins of the CIA, but there is this 103 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: retreat kind of big set piece scene that happens in 104 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: the beginning and come back to it in the end, 105 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: and there are these skits, these men who dress up 106 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: in drag, and they do these songs and blah blah blah. 107 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: And it's exactly the type of thing I've read that 108 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: describes the entertainment ongoings at Bohemian Grove, where you know, 109 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: the members put on skits and musical numbers, and these men, 110 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: being of the early twentieth century vintage, most of the 111 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: humor is, you know, it derides homosexuals, and it's just, yeah, 112 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: it's silly, very silly. And because of that regressive silliness, 113 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: I guess it supports Nixon's comments that were going on 114 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: tape that I just read to you that a heavy 115 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: contingent of Bohemian Grove members for that retreat week. Anyway, 116 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: let's just say the the rumors are that they exercise 117 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: their curiosity. Okay. Now, that's not to say the Bohemian 118 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: Grove is the least bit, for it's not not in 119 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: any way. In fact, it is decidedly conservative. One rumor 120 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: claims it. Back in the nineteen seventies, the Grove employed 121 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: an actual member of the Nazi Party, one who drove 122 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: a company jeep around the grounds transporting guests with urn 123 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: Rommel sticker proudly displayed on the vehicle until President Ford, 124 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: of all people, made him remove the Nazi sticker. Now, 125 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: whether or not the Bohemian Grove employee was an actual 126 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: Nazi that remains a matter of debate. But the sticker 127 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: was real, and Ford made the Grove employee remove the 128 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: Nazi paraphernalia, that is not disputed. All of this begs 129 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: the question what the hell was Bob Weir doing at 130 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: this place with Mickey Hart from The Grateful Dead as 131 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: well as late as two thousand and nine, probably later, 132 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: even I need to do more research to find out 133 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: again two thousand and nine after performing benefit concerts to 134 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: raise money for Barack Obama in two thousand and eight. 135 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: Bohemian Grove is where America's past powerbrokers, the dudes who 136 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 1: brought you en Ron Halliburton, WMDs, MK, Ultra Operation Mockingbird, 137 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: in a mountain of other bullshit, this is where these 138 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: dudes hung out. This is where these dudes came together 139 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: once a year. Now, if you believe the conspiracy theorists, 140 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: and I most certainly don't, let's be clear. The Bohemian 141 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 1: Grove retreats. This is where robed figures and hoods set 142 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: fire to effigies. This is Look. I know, I'm trying 143 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: to paint the picture of conspiracy theorists, but that little 144 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: bit I just read you the road figures in hoods 145 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: setting fire to effigies. That actually happened. It's on video, okay. 146 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: But sacrifices, human sacrifices, all kinds of other stuff, wild, 147 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: wild theories, praying to some ancient god named Mallick. How 148 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: much of this is true? How much of this is 149 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: just some weird prep school skull and bone shit meant 150 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: to make old rich dudes feel me sterious I don't know, 151 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 1: But either way, I repeat, what was Bob Weir doing 152 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: with these dudes? Was he an actual Satanist as has 153 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: been suggested? Was he into child sacrifice? Was was he 154 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: og all seeing Illuminati? I don't think so. No, no, 155 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: and no. But when asked about Bohemian Grove throughout his life, 156 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: Bob Weir was, let's just say, purposefully vague, especially when 157 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: he addressed these comments back in twenty twenty two. In 158 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 1: vague is putting it charitably. There's an interview that you 159 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: can find where We're online, where Bob's on video spitting 160 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: out some gobblygook about community, the community of Bohemian Grove, 161 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: and he's also pretty disingenuous when he's describing the types 162 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: of people who hang out at Bohemian Grove, it's members, 163 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: making it seem like most of the Bohemian Grove members 164 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: have some sort of quote unquote artistic bent. They don't. 165 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 1: I mean some do, but they're very much in the minority. 166 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: Although I did find out that there's typically a fifteen 167 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: year waiting list to join Bohemian Grove, but that artistic 168 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: types and entertainers get fast tracked to membership. The Bohemian Grove, 169 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: the retreat over two thy menut of ten, and you 170 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: got to know this part the lodging is divided up 171 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: into different camps, just like you know a summer camp 172 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: would be. And to hear Bob Weird tell it, it 173 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: says if he was sitting by a campfire trading songs 174 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: with Steve Miller while Mickey Hart played the bongos, but 175 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: in reality, Mickey Hart was slash is for all we know, 176 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: part of the Bohemian Grove camp called the Hillbillies. That 177 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: camp also housed Donald Rumsfeld when Rumsfeld was alive and 178 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: when Mickey was attending. Presumably he's not anywhere. I don't 179 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:01,239 Speaker 1: know Bob Weir was in a camp called the Rattlers, 180 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: and I haven't been able to figure out yet. I've 181 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: been able to find in the research which Boldface Neo 182 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: Khn names, if any, that Bob Weir was camped up with. 183 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: But regardless, this is so perplexing and it's great music 184 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: history counterpoint. It's kind of mysterious, and I am fascinated 185 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: by it. Am I judging Bob Weir for his involvement 186 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: in this secret society with some of the most ghoulish 187 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: power brokers in American history, Henry Kissinger and Donald Rumsfeld specifically, No, 188 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: I'm not. I actually think more highly of them for it, 189 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: for reasons that I guess I'll get into when I 190 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: write my Bob Weir episode and fully explore the mystery 191 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: of Bohemian Grove. Bob Weir, an American original if there 192 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: ever was one, Rest in peace. I'm barely scratching the 193 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: surface here when it comes to the theories about what the 194 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: men in the woods were up to. The Bohemian Grove 195 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories are nuts, and Zeth and I are going 196 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 1: to dive into some of the more interesting ones the 197 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: exclusive section of this after party. 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We chose MC five 204 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: in our rewind slot this week because of the connection 205 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: between the Motor City Fives, Wayne Kramer and Johnny Thunders 206 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: and the brawl in Boston that we detail in our 207 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: exclusive mini episode this week for our All Access members 208 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 1: on Apple and Patreon. Coming up next week on Tuesday, 209 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: our new episode on the Runaways. When you're listening to 210 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: this episode on the Runaways, be thinking about more female 211 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: artists that you'd like to hear covered in Disgraceland. That's 212 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: gonna be the question of the week. 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That's how it works, all right. 233 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: And this isn't just for Eco, as I said last week, 234 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: this is because the reviews helped power discovery in the 235 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: podcast listening apps, and we appreciate it, all right, voicemails, 236 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: Let's hear from all y'all on what Well? Last week 237 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: we were talking about a couple different things. I cued 238 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: up this question about first generation punk bands, which we're 239 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: gonna get to, but we also talked about o'riyan, the 240 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: Elvis Presley, the masked Elvis Presley impersonator, and a lot 241 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: of you really want to talk about this, so let's 242 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: hear what you have to say. 243 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 4: Hey, Jake, Then from the eighth three, I actually had 244 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 4: to pause the episode because I was about to bust 245 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 4: because you guys landed on one of my favorite subjects. 246 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 4: A little background grew up, like a lot of us did, 247 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 4: with a mom who was absolutely obsessed with Elvis. Me personally, 248 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 4: I love the seventies Elvis, from the early ten days 249 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 4: in Las Vegas to the old blood that Elvison. It 250 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 4: was kind of embarrassing, but anyway, long story short. My 251 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 4: uncle was a professional recruiter for the Navy. So he's 252 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 4: in Pensacola, Florida in the late eighties early nineties, somewhere 253 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 4: along in the air, sitting in a bar on a 254 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 4: recruiting trip. This lady comes up, but it's basically one 255 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 4: of those hay sailor, can you buy me a drink 256 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 4: kind of thing. It's Gail Brewer Georgio. So she starts 257 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 4: telling him all this stuff as Seth was discussing about 258 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 4: not being able to get the book published and all 259 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 4: this kind of stuff. So that of course started me 260 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 4: down a rabbit hole. I found a copy of the book. 261 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 4: I read the book. It was obviously Elvis, and she 262 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 4: later admits that she wrote the book just after Elvis died. 263 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 4: I believe inspired by the whole thing. There's a dug 264 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 4: into it. I listened to all those is Elvis alive, 265 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 4: It's set days that were rolling around back then, all 266 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 4: that good stuff. But anyway, I kind of put it 267 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 4: out of my mind that there is an amazing documentary 268 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 4: that I purchased through Amazon Prime Video that I have 269 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 4: digitally and it's called Orion. A man who would be 270 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 4: King gives you the whole story of Jimmy Ellis, and 271 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 4: you know how he got lumped into this thing is 272 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 4: you know, he was an entertainer. He didn't want to 273 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 4: be this guy, but money's money, right. Anyway, It's a 274 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 4: great documentary and there's a little fact at the end 275 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 4: I'm not going to bring up yet because you know, 276 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 4: hopefully you guys can check it out that was very 277 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 4: surprising but also makes a hell of a lot of sense. Anyway, 278 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 4: I know this is getting a little long, so you 279 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 4: guys have a great day. To keep it up. Rock rolla, all. 280 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: Right, Ado three, thanks for your voicemail. I have seen 281 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: this Amazon Prime video that you're discussing. Most of it. Actually, 282 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: I did not finish it. I didn't get to the end, 283 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: so I have not gotten to the part that you're 284 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: teasing here. But I think what you're teasing out is 285 00:17:54,800 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: that there's some factual evidence supporting the idea that o'rian 286 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: was the child of Vernon Presley and thus Elvis's step brother. 287 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: I think that's where you're going. Call me back and 288 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: let me know. Guys, at this point, I think it's 289 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,959 Speaker 1: safe to say that I'm absolutely doing an Orion episode 290 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 1: at some point in Disgraceland, probably not for a bit. 291 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: We've got a bunch of other subjects I'm excited to 292 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: dive into. Let's hear from the seven one four. 293 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 5: Hey, Jay, there's a Junius from the seven one four. 294 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 5: I got a movie recommendation for you. Just listening to 295 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 5: your last chapter party about Elvis and Orian. There's a 296 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 5: movie from two thousand and two starring Bruce Campbell called 297 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 5: Bubba Hotech. If you haven't seen it, check it out. 298 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 5: Elvis in a convalescent home, an African American JFK fighting 299 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 5: a mommy that looks like Michael Jackson. Really fun, have 300 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 5: an open mind, enjoy yourself. Hope you watch it. Take it. 301 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 5: He's the Jake. Thanks for doing what you're doing there. 302 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: Seven to one four. I'm sure we all have this 303 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: experience where these are there are these movies in our 304 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: lives that we've known about for years and that we're 305 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: very excited to watch, But for some reason, we never 306 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: get our lazy asses around to it, and that is 307 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: absolutely the case with Bruce Campbell and Bubba Hotep. Is 308 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: how you say it, Bubba Hotep, thank you for reminding me, 309 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: my friend. I will dive into this and I will 310 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,239 Speaker 1: get back to you with my thoughts. This is going 311 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: to be more gris for the Orion mill I can 312 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: tell already. Seven one four appreciate you six one, seven, 313 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,479 Speaker 1: nine oh six, six, six three eight. You guys want 314 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: to leave me a voicemail, send me a text again. 315 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: We're looking for answers to the question which female artists 316 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: you want to hear covered in Disgraceland in the next 317 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: few seasons. Six one seven, nine oh six, six, six 318 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: three eight. Give us a call after you check out 319 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,479 Speaker 1: that Runaways episode coming your way on Tuesday and let 320 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: us know your answers to your recommendations. We've got a 321 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,719 Speaker 1: new episode on Johnny Thunders, of course from the New 322 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: York Dolls, and that prompted the question which first generation 323 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: punk bands are your face and do you think we're 324 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: the most influential seven to one nine rights in first 325 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: gen punk artists the jam They may be a bit 326 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: too tasteful for some people's definition, but you included talking 327 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: Heads in your description, and I submit them because they 328 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: weren't as big in the USA as many others. Seven 329 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: one nine. I think you're onto something here. I think 330 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: the Jam's influence, especially on UK bands, is massive, and 331 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: especially as you get into the britpop era, the Jam's influence, 332 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,239 Speaker 1: Paul Weller's influence huge, and they often are overlooked when 333 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: we talk about first generation punk, and I think that 334 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: has something to do with just how dynamic of a band. 335 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: They were similar to the Talking Heads, not saying they 336 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: were similar in style to the Talking Heads, but they 337 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: were more than punk. They had this whole R and 338 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: B soul, northern soeul thing going on. And you can 339 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: absolutely hear and see their influence on not just punk, 340 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: but on rock and roll throughout the eighties and the nineties. 341 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 1: And I love this answer. Seven to one to nine. 342 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: Thanks for getting in touch with us. Let's check out 343 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: the four to one six four one six is writing 344 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: in response to our Chet Baker archive episode that we 345 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: released four one six rites and Hey, I'm reading Patti 346 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: Smith's latest memoir, Bread of Angels, and she recounts that 347 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: when she was making her first album at Electric Ladies Studios, 348 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: she tried to hire Chet Baker to play on a track, 349 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: but their budget couldn't afford his feet. This is like 350 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five. You think Chet would have been happy 351 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: just to play on any album at that point. I 352 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: also believe that his rendition of Almost Blue by Elvis Costello, 353 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: which is in the Let's Get Lost documentary, is the 354 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: greatest male jazz vocal ever recorded, and I will die 355 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: on that hill. Let's Get Lost by Bruce Weber is 356 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: one of my favorite films of all time. And yes 357 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: I said favorite film, not just favorite documentary. Four one six. 358 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: Thanks for this. I had no idea about the Patti 359 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: Smith Chet Baker anecdote that you mentioned, and I love 360 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: that story. I can see Jimmy Ivan right now just 361 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: getting frustrated with Chet's management and just hanging up the 362 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: phone on them. Yes, Let's Get Lost, It's just it's 363 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: a beautiful film. It's fantastic, and I agree with you. 364 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: The performance of Almost Blue is something special, man, It 365 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: really truly is. The Elvis version doesn't sell out you either. 366 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: It's great. Nine one seven, right, San, I think New 367 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: York Dolls are my favorite punk band. Iggy is beyond 368 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: punk as well as Velven Underground. I lived a few 369 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: blocks from CBGB, but sadly didn't spend much time there 370 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: between two thousand and two and two thousand and seven. 371 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: I remember the hits from the New York Dolls, but 372 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: did not appreciate them enough until I read Please Kill Me. 373 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: I think that book also deserves an episode because it 374 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: really should answer your question, certainly in the question being 375 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: you know what's the most influential first gen punk band, 376 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: certainly as it applies to punk rather than rock and roll. 377 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: I may express more of these thoughts on Twitter. I'm 378 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: due to make a music video meme. Okay, this is 379 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: nine one seven nine one seven. Thank you. I read 380 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: the rest of your text, obviously to myself, not on air, 381 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: and I agree with you that Repo Man should be 382 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: an episode, maybe an episode of Hollywoodland. I'm not sure 383 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: on Please Kill Me. I read Please Kill Me after 384 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: my first son was born, and it hit me. I 385 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: could tell when I was reading it that it hit 386 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 1: me in a way that was different had I read 387 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: it before my first child was born, and that experience 388 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: was just a couple months before coming up with the 389 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: idea for Disgraceland. And I think that Please Kill Me. 390 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: The book had a direct impact on me creating this show, 391 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: so I'm forever in debt to Leg's McNeil. I've gone 392 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: back to that book a couple times in our research. 393 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 1: It's fantastic and if anybody has not read Please Kill Me, 394 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: go for it. It's out there. You can find it everywhere, 395 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: and it is a great document of punk rock, written 396 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: by co written by the dude who literally invented the 397 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: term punk and it's a fantastic oral history of punk 398 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: in New York. It's great, great text, great voicemails This 399 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: week guys six one seven nine, six, six, six three 400 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: eight at Disgrace lam Pod on the socials, Disgrace lampod 401 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: at gmail dot com on email if you want to 402 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: get in touch, we'll be back right after this. All right, guys, 403 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: welcome back. We are here making it happen. In the 404 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 1: bonus episode, I want to shout out some of the 405 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: new members in our all access to Patreon. Nicole Adams, 406 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:59,239 Speaker 1: Patrick Haywood, Lord Davies, Celine Johansson, Miranda Nicole. Those are 407 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: just a handful of the new members of the disco community, 408 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: many of them coming in at our new Sound and 409 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: Fury tier level and just want to pass along my gratitude. 410 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: Everybody from the team here is psyched to have you 411 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: and all the other new members as well. We've had 412 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: a lot of new membership over the last couple of weeks. 413 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: I think I think part of that is due to 414 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: the fact that we have this, like I said, this 415 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: new offering, the sound in Fury offering, which for ten 416 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: bucks a month you get the new disgrace Land video podcast. 417 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: This film should be played loud where once a month 418 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: we are going to buy wem Me and my colleague, 419 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: doctor Zeth Lundy, We're going to sit down. We're going 420 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: to dissect you know, basically, you know, the one of 421 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: our favorite things in the world, which is great music 422 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: in great films, the soundtracks, the needle drops, the scoring. 423 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: Last month we covered Goodfellas. This month we are covering 424 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: Train Spotting. We recorded it last night, filmed it, I 425 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: should say, and what a fantastic movie. The music in 426 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: this movie is obviously so important, so impactful, not just 427 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: for the film but culturally, and really I really realized 428 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 1: in going back to Train Spotting, similar to one of 429 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 1: the one of you guys texted us earlier, I read 430 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: the text about Legs McNeil's Please Kill Me, and maybe 431 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: I'm just in this headspace. But in train spotting and 432 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: going back and watching it and watching the voice and 433 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: experiencing uh McGregor's vo with the soundtrack that's happening, in 434 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: the way the writing works, with all of it, I 435 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: realized how influential that movie has been on me as 436 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: a as a creative person, and how I just sort 437 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: of fell into making Disgraceland. The way that we made it, 438 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: the production of it, the writing of it, the structure 439 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: of it, the presentation of it, all of it in 440 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 1: a way it goes to this film been a lot 441 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: of nineties films that are that were made in a 442 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: similar fashion, and that was all. I never thought about 443 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: that before until we dove back into this movie to 444 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 1: prepare for this film should be played loud podcasts that 445 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: will be coming your way last week of January. We 446 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: releases the last Wednesday of every January January, so that's 447 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: a not too far off anyways. Disgrace mpod dot com 448 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 1: to sign up if you want to grab that exclusive content. 449 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: Also want to shout out Sean Hill on Patreon, who's 450 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: been a member for a long time. He's unfortunately a 451 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals fan, so I feel for him. He's got 452 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: nothing to watch the rest of this winter, you know, 453 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: his team just you know, I don't know what happened there, 454 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: but you know, maybe maybe next year, buddy, and big 455 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: shout out to the y insurers as well. That was 456 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: a horrible way to go out the other night in Pittsburgh, 457 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: thinking to you guys. Now, earlier we were talking Bob Weir, 458 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: we were talking Bohemian Grove, and we're going to continue 459 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: talking Bohemian growth specifically. You know, I mentioned some of 460 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: the conspiracies involving Bohemian Grove, the sort of like you know, 461 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: eyes wide shut of politics, I guess you could call it. 462 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: And let's not rule out sex. There's a lot of 463 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: sex involved in these conspiracies as well. And just you know, 464 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: powerbrokers in the woods left to their own devices, doing 465 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: weird shit, making the world run on their weirdness. That's 466 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: uh yeah, we're going to be getting into all of 467 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: that in the exclusive section coming up. Short, we've got 468 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 1: to be an all access member to cop that disgrace 469 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: sampod dot com to sign up and get exclusive content 470 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: like this, like our bonus episodes also going to get 471 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: ad free listening. I appreciate everyone who's already a member, 472 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: appreciate everybody who's considering it. Love this conversation. 473 00:28:47,080 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 2: I hope you love it too. 474 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: All right, welcome back. We're about to get out of here. Listen. 475 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: You know we mentioned, I don't know, we mentioned a 476 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: bunch of artists who we have episodes on. We have 477 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: over two hundred and fifty five episodes. Probably keep saying 478 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: two hundred fifty five, it's probably about two seventy five 479 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: at this point. It's a lot. And we do have 480 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: two Grateful Dead episodes. Okay. The first one was instantly 481 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: when I wrote it, one of my favorite episodes because 482 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: it brought me in to the Grateful Dead as a fan. 483 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't a fan before I got into the research 484 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: at all. In fact, I was actively actively. 485 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 3: Not a fan. 486 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: You can interpret that however you want, But if you 487 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: want a good sort of bedrock foundation of understanding of 488 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: the types of dudes that the Grateful Dead were connected 489 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: with back in the sixties, and how and how those 490 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: connections might have easily transferred into a bohemian growth membership, 491 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: you got to listen to this episode, it'll all start 492 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: to make sense, it'll start to click in for you. 493 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: And then with the second episode we did, which was 494 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: years later, when I was researching the Dead the first 495 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: time part of the research, I just found it really 496 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: kind of, I don't know, adorable, their youth when they're 497 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: in pre Grateful Dead phase. And I actually had this idea. 498 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, what if they had like 499 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: a Grateful Dead cartoon that was like Muppet Babies, but 500 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: it was Jerry and Phil and Bob And it was like, 501 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: you know, Bill, all those dudes, but like way early, 502 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: and they all have their own unique personalities and they're 503 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: all exaggerated for the cartoon version. 504 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 3: Of the Dead. 505 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: And I never pitched it to anyone, thank god, but 506 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: it really got me seriously thinking about the Dead's origin story, 507 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: which is less dark than their nineteen sixties, nineteen seventies, 508 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: eighties story, and it's connected to a period of music history, 509 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: this sort of old timey Americana world that I love 510 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: and that actually is pretty dark in a different way. 511 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: And we centered that whole telling of history around pig Pen, 512 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: who passed away in the nineteen seventies, the first member 513 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: of the Dead to die. Anyways, both those episodes are 514 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: available and you got to check them out. Matt will 515 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: have the episode information in the show notes section of 516 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: this after party. All right, let's recap, shall we. Number one, 517 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: this week's new episode on Johnny Thunders is available for 518 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: you right now. Got a rewind episode coming up on 519 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: the MC five that's happening right after this bonus episode. 520 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: Next week's new episode is on the Runaways. We are 521 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: looking for your recommendations on which female artists we should cover. 522 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: Get in touch six one seven nine oh six sixty 523 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: six three eight voicemail and text and let me know. 524 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: Number four is Deeth is going up some awesomeness in 525 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: the Hollywood Land feed. Make sure you are subscribed. This 526 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: film should be played loud. We have an episode right 527 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: now available for our Patreon subscribers. You can check that 528 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: out by becoming a member. It's on Goodfellas, and the 529 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: new episode on Train Spotting will be available in I 530 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: guess a week and a half something like that. Six 531 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: p one seven nine oh six, six six three eight. Again, 532 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of 533 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: music history. So keep calling, keep texting, keep giving us 534 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: your answers. To this week's question of the week or 535 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: just you know, whatever else you want to talk about. 536 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: I'm here for a number seven. Don't forget this goes. 537 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: This isn't just content. It's a community, a community of 538 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: the obsessed. And no one cares about music, books, records 539 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: and the crime and grime that ties them all together 540 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: like you do. And well that's a disgrace, all right. 541 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: Bob Weird passed away just a few days ago, January tenth, 542 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. Here's what America was listening to on 543 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: that day. Number one, The Fate of Ophelia Taylor Swift 544 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: last week twenty six, peak position one weeks on Chart thirteen. 545 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: Number two Golden by Hunter slash X last week twenty five, 546 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: peak position on chart, one weeks on chart number twenty six. 547 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: Number three Ordinary by Alex Warren thirty last week peak 548 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: position peak peak position weeks one weeks on chart forty six. 549 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: Number four No I Need by Olivia d last week 550 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: thirty six, peak position four weeks on charts nineteen. Number 551 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: five SHOs in Texas l LA last Quit talking and 552 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: start mixing.