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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is Monday, October seventh, twenty nineteen, Season fifteen, episode
Speaker 1: number fifty eight. Welcome to another edition of The Break.
Speaker 1: We're locking STUBC Morgage Studios at the Star and we
Speaker 1: gotta talk to you guys about this Cowboys loss. Cowboys
Speaker 1: loses Green Bay Packers thirty four twenty four in a
Speaker 1: game that I'm not even sure the score really reflects
Speaker 1: all the things that happened in this game, because there
Speaker 1: were a lot of different parts to the game that
Speaker 1: are worth discussing. And I think that's where I want
Speaker 1: to start today. I think I want to go around
Speaker 1: the table, and I don't want everybody to tell me
Speaker 1: coming out of that game, what was the biggest storyline
Speaker 1: that stood out to you? Because I think there were, again,
Speaker 1: were a lot of storylines in this game. Let's start
Speaker 1: first with you, Nick, all right, story of the game, well,
Speaker 1: I get to write a column about it, so because
Speaker 1: I could just cheat off of that. But I think
Speaker 1: for the second straight game they've lost in the opening drive.
Speaker 1: The opening drive lost the game for them, and that's
Speaker 1: that's where it stood. I mean, all these things that happened.
Speaker 1: If Cooper catches that ball, they're probably gonna go score.
Speaker 1: Maybe on that play changes the whole game. Same with
Speaker 1: missing Randall cop in the back of the end zone.
Speaker 1: You think it's a long game and it's gonna play out,
Speaker 1: and yes they could have, but as it turns out,
Speaker 1: I think that that was affected the game. I you're
Speaker 1: going to me, sure, absolutely. I agree with Nick to
Speaker 1: a point. It really like as as much as a
Speaker 1: game that happened, or a play that happened four plays
Speaker 1: into it can affect the game. I mean, it's hard
Speaker 1: to move past just how big that was. Like it's
Speaker 1: probably a touchdown at the very least, Like the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are getting some points and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Green Bay's basically in Cowboy territory. Just a ridiculous swing.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I mean, we're I just
Speaker 1: can't I can't sugarcoat or overlook Aaron Jones running the
Speaker 1: ball nineteen times for one hundred yards and catching seven
Speaker 1: passes for seventy five yards, like he did to them
Speaker 1: what we were worried Alvin Kamara might do. And I
Speaker 1: know Aaron Rodgers is a better quarterback than Teddy Bridgewater
Speaker 1: and that's going to affect the way you play. But
Speaker 1: for them to very successfully limit Alvin Kamara's impact in
Speaker 1: the game a week before on the road and then
Speaker 1: for like all of that progress to go out the
Speaker 1: window was really really surprising, baffling. Like the linebackers looked lost,
Speaker 1: the defensive line looked like it couldn't get any push
Speaker 1: for the second week in a row against an offensive line,
Speaker 1: frighteningly bad defense for like the first two and a
Speaker 1: half quarters of the game. Amber you know, and I
Speaker 1: know these teams, the Saints and the Packers have good
Speaker 1: players and they are able to do things. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, I feel like a lot of these
Speaker 1: errors are made by the Cowboys themselves, like they are
Speaker 1: kind of playing against themselves, making their own mistakes on
Speaker 1: their own and me saying what I'm about to say,
Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy, especially after watching that game. But
Speaker 1: I am not as upset as I thought I would be,
Speaker 1: Like I truly feel one that the Cowboys are going
Speaker 1: to be able to turn things around and make it work.
Speaker 1: I am more upset at the fact that they played
Speaker 1: such a crappy game and now we have to talk
Speaker 1: about it all throughout the week and figure out, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore, what the heck are you doing? Okay? Why
Speaker 1: is a sequel? Eliot not running the well more? Which
Speaker 1: one of the things I did expect him to have
Speaker 1: a bigger presence in the game, And it's kind of
Speaker 1: surprising that we were five weeks into the season and
Speaker 1: I still feel like sometimes I forget about Zeke, Like
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't notice him on the field.
Speaker 1: And it's crazy to me when you speak about a
Speaker 1: team that has relied the amount of times that they
Speaker 1: did last year and now they're trying to rely on
Speaker 1: the passing game more so, that's kind of mind blowing
Speaker 1: to me. But and the fact that we didn't really
Speaker 1: see Pollard he kind of disappeared as well. They didn't
Speaker 1: really use him as much. And this was a game
Speaker 1: that I thought the running game was going to be
Speaker 1: able to get going but it didn't, so I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just a weird I feel just so weird about
Speaker 1: this team right now. It's like they're trying to figure
Speaker 1: themselves out and they just haven't clicked just yet. But
Speaker 1: I know they will, all right. That was actually there's
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff there, and you guys hit all
Speaker 1: of it. That's why I wanted to take it that route,
Speaker 1: because there was so much in this game that you
Speaker 1: could take from it. And I think when we all
Speaker 1: look back on this five, six, seven, eight weeks from now,
Speaker 1: we probably all will have different reads on what we
Speaker 1: learned from this particular game, because I think there were
Speaker 1: a lot of things to learn. So let's unpack a
Speaker 1: little bit of this. Let's start first with Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: He goes twenty seven to forty four, sixty one percent
Speaker 1: completion rate, four hundred and sixty three yards, two touchdowns,
Speaker 1: three interceptions, and then eighty three point eight quarterback rating.
Speaker 1: How do you guys in your minds reconcile that performance
Speaker 1: for Dak Because you look at the four hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty three yards and you're like, oh my god, that's huge,
Speaker 1: that's great, But then you also look at the three interceptions,
Speaker 1: two of which you probably put at least one you
Speaker 1: definitely put on him, probably two. You say he probably
Speaker 1: made some bad decisions. How do you reconcile this? I
Speaker 1: don't have to. He said he played a bad game,
Speaker 1: like he threw three interceptions. He says like, I don't
Speaker 1: care about the yards, I don't care about the touchdowns.
Speaker 1: That's not gonna get it done. And I completely agree
Speaker 1: with him. I'm like, cool beings. Really, you mean they
Speaker 1: did a great job of fighting back into it. That
Speaker 1: can't happen. And I think anybody who follows my work
Speaker 1: or what I say knows what a big fan I
Speaker 1: am of Dak But I thought he played a bad game.
Speaker 1: The interception to Sullivan over the middle was I mean terrible.
Speaker 1: It was a terrible decision. He didn't see him at all.
Speaker 1: I can't get over the pick he threw in the
Speaker 1: end zone to Cob that got waved off like there
Speaker 1: was absolutely nothing there, Just an unconscionable decision by a
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl quarterback. And you know the dropped picked to
Speaker 1: Cooper that we already talked about, that is a drop
Speaker 1: that is on Amari Cooper. At the same time, it
Speaker 1: was not a great ball, but considering that he was
Speaker 1: wide wide, wide open um, he didn't play a good game.
Speaker 1: He had good stats, he didn't play a good game.
Speaker 1: That's fine, I mean, I agree with all that, all right. Sorry,
Speaker 1: it was like he was playing without thinking, Like he
Speaker 1: was just out there running around throwing the ball, making
Speaker 1: this without really fully thinking it out. Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: he was kind of relying more in luck maybe rather
Speaker 1: I don't even know the right word too. I think
Speaker 1: he pressed once he realized that the defense was going
Speaker 1: to I mean, the defense was getting their ass kicked.
Speaker 1: I think he really pressed and said I'm going to
Speaker 1: have to do this, and you know, it helped a
Speaker 1: little bit, but he was uncharacteristic, but it didn't. It
Speaker 1: wasn't too long in the game did you realize that
Speaker 1: they're not going to beat Aaron Rodgers. They're not the
Speaker 1: only thing that slowed down Aaron Rodgers was the time.
Speaker 1: You know that once they you know, they started happening.
Speaker 1: Because if you really look at it, this was week
Speaker 1: two against the Redskins. I just told this to Rob.
Speaker 1: This is the exact same game as the Redskins game.
Speaker 1: And no one thinks that the Redskin game was really close.
Speaker 1: They kind of had him, they controlled him. They came
Speaker 1: back and scored late one by ten, but really that
Speaker 1: they won. Same with the Packers, they're probably saying the
Speaker 1: same thing. We kicked their ass. Yeah, they came back,
Speaker 1: but we won by ten. We won, you know, And
Speaker 1: that's really the same type of thing. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about that, but you're right, like the
Speaker 1: Redskins probably thought about that game like, oh, we got
Speaker 1: back into it, we bought. Anybody that watched that on
Speaker 1: the Cowboys side is like, no, that's not what happened,
Speaker 1: and that Yeah, And honestly, you know this, we worked
Speaker 1: for the Dallas Cowboys. We prefer when they win. That's
Speaker 1: all obvious. But they didn't deserve to win this game.
Speaker 1: And honestly, like, in terms of like being fair, it's
Speaker 1: probably for the best that Dack through the pick to
Speaker 1: King and Maher missed the field goal, because like, they
Speaker 1: don't deserve for this to have been a thirty four
Speaker 1: to thirty one, Like, oh my god, they were so close.
Speaker 1: That's also why those two moments are also the reason
Speaker 1: why I don't give them a ton of credit for
Speaker 1: fighting their way back in first of all, I don't
Speaker 1: give credit for just fighting you way again, because guess
Speaker 1: what that's like saying I take care of my kids,
Speaker 1: Like that's your responsibility. You don't get credit for doing
Speaker 1: what you're supposed to do. The point, though, is they didn't.
Speaker 1: Those two moments that in that time when they were
Speaker 1: trying to fight their way back into the game told
Speaker 1: me that you still can't get out of your own way.
Speaker 1: And so it still was a microcosm of what they've
Speaker 1: done the rest of the game. Yeah, they had success,
Speaker 1: they moved ball, but they weren't able to get out
Speaker 1: of their own way. Even in the quote unquote comeback
Speaker 1: stage of the game, they were still making unforgivable mistakes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a rough day, all right, So let's move on.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Zeke. You mentioned Zeke, and it's it's
Speaker 1: ironic that you mentioned him in that way because I
Speaker 1: was having a conversation with my wife last night and
Speaker 1: she kind of had a similar take, like where's Zeke,
Speaker 1: Like he got all this money. I was just expecting
Speaker 1: the Zeke that's gonna be like blowing up every week,
Speaker 1: and that's not what we've seen, particularly the last two weeks.
Speaker 1: Although when you look at the game yesterday, they actually
Speaker 1: were running the wall pretty well and really well actually
Speaker 1: earlier in the game. He ends up with twelve carries
Speaker 1: for sixty two yards five point two yards per carry,
Speaker 1: and a touchdown. That all being said, I'm sorry you said.
Speaker 1: You even said in the press box that when we
Speaker 1: look back at this game, let's not look at this
Speaker 1: end of the first half. Member. Yes, I know, like
Speaker 1: we gotta take these two plays out because he like himself,
Speaker 1: he's like tomorrow we're gonna be talking about him, and like,
Speaker 1: remember at the end of the and how many plays
Speaker 1: was it was three plays? I want to say three
Speaker 1: runs yet there and it was probably like maybe twenty
Speaker 1: five thirty yards, which is probably half of his production.
Speaker 1: He got twenty one yards on the final possession of
Speaker 1: the first time. Okay, so those are three carries, right too,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at two on the flight on the very
Speaker 1: last that's right, it was too, So two carries for
Speaker 1: twenty one yards. Right. You look at that though, and
Speaker 1: I guess looking at it overall, looking at it overall,
Speaker 1: do you think the Cowboys are getting from Zeke what
Speaker 1: they need to get from him, or do you think
Speaker 1: that there are other factors. Obviously, the game got away
Speaker 1: from them. They had to get away from the running game.
Speaker 1: Last week. The offensive line just wasn't performing very well,
Speaker 1: and I put a lot of that on them. How
Speaker 1: much is it those other factors and how much is
Speaker 1: it d put on deput on Zeke even before the score,
Speaker 1: like before the score got lopsided. Game starts, Zeke for two,
Speaker 1: Zeke for twelve, Zeke for twelve, Zeke for six, called
Speaker 1: back by a penalty, Zeke for seventeen, hauled back by holding.
Speaker 1: I mean, I understand, I understand how much money they
Speaker 1: gave the guy, and I guess you know you'd like
Speaker 1: to see a little bit more. They even they got
Speaker 1: him involved in the passing game. He caught a great
Speaker 1: ball on that wheel route, which you know why on
Speaker 1: why you know why Aaron Jones is going seven for
Speaker 1: seventy five and Zeke can't do anything other than catch
Speaker 1: very basic looking screen passes. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: get why that's a thing. He I mean, and he
Speaker 1: showed you in this game that he can hurt defenses
Speaker 1: twenty yards down field, but they're not interested in doing
Speaker 1: that for whatever reason. Um, But I don't know, how
Speaker 1: how much can you expect the running back to get
Speaker 1: you back into a game that you're trailing by seventeen
Speaker 1: in the second quarter. I don't put that on him.
Speaker 1: I thought he was running well when the game allowed
Speaker 1: for the running game to be part of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't really, I don't think. I wasn't talking about like,
Speaker 1: I'm not taking a shot at you. But but just
Speaker 1: to make sure it's not his performance as a player
Speaker 1: is more as how the Cowboys are utilizing him. Do
Speaker 1: you think they're underutilizing Yes, it kind of looks to
Speaker 1: me like it's kind of of a second thought rather
Speaker 1: than him being the core of this offense. Now they're
Speaker 1: trying to rely more on the passing game Michael Gallup,
Speaker 1: but Mary Cooper and when you look at what he
Speaker 1: was able to do last year, regardless of the offensive line,
Speaker 1: how they're performing, Zeke is a type of player that
Speaker 1: can still make plays without the help of other people,
Speaker 1: like he can do things on his own. And yesterday,
Speaker 1: well last night, when I started watching the highlights and back,
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, well there was doing these things, you know,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't something that stands out as you would
Speaker 1: have expected. Especially with him coming in with a new contract. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other thing I'll note real quick was Tony Pollard.
Speaker 1: I actually was I'm kind of agreeing with you that
Speaker 1: they should have used him a little bit more because
Speaker 1: there was one series where they brought him in and
Speaker 1: they just kept feeding him the ball. He had four
Speaker 1: carries from nineteen yards a four point eight average, and
Speaker 1: it made me think, Okay, sometimes you kind of What
Speaker 1: it made me think is that overall the Cowboys should
Speaker 1: be able to run the ball pretty effectively. They were
Speaker 1: already doing it early, as you just mentioned, Dave, earlier
Speaker 1: in the game with Zeke, when Paula came in, he
Speaker 1: was getting a nice flow going there. It just seemed
Speaker 1: to me like they had success running the ball with
Speaker 1: either one of them. They just couldn't do it anymore
Speaker 1: because the game gout. You know, I'm looking at the stats.
Speaker 1: I don't agree with the notion that they didn't get
Speaker 1: Zeke involved. I'm just I'm looking at him and looking
Speaker 1: at the play by plays and like, where would it
Speaker 1: have been any different? I mean, a big, big play
Speaker 1: in the game was in the second drive. I mean
Speaker 1: they get down to the thirty seven yard line, they
Speaker 1: scrambled three yards a second and seven, and Zeke gets
Speaker 1: stopped for no game and then Dak takes a sack.
Speaker 1: They don't get a field goal. You go back to
Speaker 1: all these possessions and they're running, and they're running well,
Speaker 1: seventeen yard run and then it gets called back and
Speaker 1: now they're behind the chains and they throw an interception
Speaker 1: and then you know, Pollard comes in. But then on
Speaker 1: the next drive, same Dak. You know, I mean, Zeke,
Speaker 1: he's running and he's doing well, and then they get
Speaker 1: another penalty and they lose ten yards and then they
Speaker 1: ended up having to settle for fieldball. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think they were trying, like you keep saying, they just
Speaker 1: didn't get out of their own way. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: want to criticize Kellamore too much. I mean, they have
Speaker 1: five hundred and fifty yards of offense, like he called
Speaker 1: a pretty good game, Like, yeah, I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: quibble about that, but I still like the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: just so rigid and I don't want to say vanilla,
Speaker 1: but for lack of a better word, like just looking
Speaker 1: at Green Bay, like you know, Jeronimo Allison, he's carrying
Speaker 1: the ball out of the backfield Aaron Jones. His best
Speaker 1: catch of the game was essentially a slant, like they
Speaker 1: moved him out wide and put Jalen Smith on him
Speaker 1: and it was like a mismatch all day. He caught
Speaker 1: it over the middle. Remember I think it was in
Speaker 1: the third quarter. You got Marcedes Lewis catching screen passes
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys. It just feels like it's like this
Speaker 1: is our running back. He runs the ball and you
Speaker 1: don't agree with because when you think about it, and
Speaker 1: you got you got Zeke wheeling out, you got Tavon
Speaker 1: Austin pop passing and that was great. You got an
Speaker 1: option on the goal line for two yards didn't work.
Speaker 1: But it was different. It was different. I mean I
Speaker 1: think we I think there were some different wrinkles and
Speaker 1: there some work, some didn't. I don't know if they have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like, did he do anything. No, I know
Speaker 1: he missed a block that was important, but oh man,
Speaker 1: I think it was a run play where he ended
Speaker 1: up missing a block and got to end up with
Speaker 1: a tackling back and I have to go back and
Speaker 1: look at it. But I remember thinking because you had
Speaker 1: said during the game, so somebody who was asking something
Speaker 1: about jar when you say it, Kenny even block and
Speaker 1: and that's what kind of rang to me, like maybe
Speaker 1: that was on the show. There was a show like
Speaker 1: are they you know, is witting like impeding his progress?
Speaker 1: I was like, well, was he a complete player that
Speaker 1: they're tied end aren't helping him right now? I mean
Speaker 1: that's just simple. Obviously Witten's not you know what he
Speaker 1: was obviously, and I mean he's still doing some things,
Speaker 1: but they don't have that guy that they want. They're
Speaker 1: trying to get it done with three people and they
Speaker 1: really don't have it. I get you're right. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I said, they had six hundred yards of offense.
Speaker 1: I'm quibbling here. But at the same time, even you know, Tavon,
Speaker 1: he had the nice little pop pass run, but that's
Speaker 1: that's Tavon's role. They're like, this is our gadget guy.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do our gadget stuff with him, Whereas sometimes
Speaker 1: I feel like other offenses are more fluid in the
Speaker 1: sense that everybody can do a little bit of everything.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it was it was refreshing to see Zeke
Speaker 1: catch that wheel route, But at the same time, I'm like,
Speaker 1: he can do these things, and yet it feels rare
Speaker 1: when he does them. Well, first and twenty five. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what you call right, first and twenty five, you
Speaker 1: gotta have a twenty six yard pass. Absolutely. The thing
Speaker 1: about Tavon and having guys that the gadget players, the
Speaker 1: problem is is that no one will believe that it's
Speaker 1: going to happen if you don't put them out on
Speaker 1: regular plays. And when he put them out on a
Speaker 1: regular place to get called for holding and wiping out
Speaker 1: a seventeen yard run for really no reason. Yeah, to
Speaker 1: do that because he didn't have the experience to go
Speaker 1: out there, and I mean he just kind of held.
Speaker 1: It didn't have to, you know, that's what happened. You
Speaker 1: can't just put him in the game when you want
Speaker 1: to do some fake stuff. So all right, let's go
Speaker 1: ahead and take our first break and we come back.
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about this defense.
Speaker 1: Yesterday they did not have a good day. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about that when we come right back. This is Dallas
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Speaker 1: to the Break Welcome back. It's the second segment of
Speaker 1: the Break. Life in the SWBC Mortgage Studios. At the start,
Speaker 1: we're talking about the Cowboys loss yesterday. They moved to
Speaker 1: three and two on the season after a three and
Speaker 1: oh start. Look at some big picture stuff tomorrow and
Speaker 1: what that really means across the NFL and throughout the
Speaker 1: NFC East. But let's get back into the game. I
Speaker 1: want to talk about this defense, Dave. You mentioned it earlier.
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones allowed to rush for nineteen nineteen carries for
Speaker 1: one hundred and seven yards, a five point six average,
Speaker 1: four rushing touchdowns. In addition to that, he had an
Speaker 1: additional seven receptions for seventy five yards, bringing his total
Speaker 1: number of yards for the game to one hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty two. Why couldn't they stop the run yesterday because
Speaker 1: they're worried about number twelve. I mean, he is everything.
Speaker 1: He is one of them. He's the one of the
Speaker 1: greatest football players the NFL has ever seen. Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: and no more of this. Well, it doesn't have weapons.
Speaker 1: He makes weapons. He makes them great. You can't you
Speaker 1: can't tackle him, you can't get to him, and you're
Speaker 1: worried about everything that he's doing. He knows how to
Speaker 1: how to make it work. And you know, they had
Speaker 1: ten days to hear that they can't run the ball.
Speaker 1: They can't run the ball, and they figured out ways
Speaker 1: to run it, run it down by the goal line.
Speaker 1: Their offensive line was really good. But it all starts
Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers. He is absolutely the closest thing to
Speaker 1: Luke Skywalker that the NFL has ever seen. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: It's funny because the Cowboys made so many mistakes in
Speaker 1: this game that it's easy to forget about the Jedi
Speaker 1: stuff Rodgers was doing. In the first and second quarter,
Speaker 1: he made three plays that are I mean, like maybe
Speaker 1: one other person in the world can do him, and
Speaker 1: that's probably Pat Mahomes. But the little shovel pass when
Speaker 1: it looked like it was going to be a negative play,
Speaker 1: and when he stepped, I mean he escaped the pocket
Speaker 1: and I think it was Tanyan on the sideline just
Speaker 1: lofted it to him. And the thing about that was
Speaker 1: is that he doesn't see the blue line of scrimmage
Speaker 1: that we see, like that you see on the on
Speaker 1: the tape, you know, like when you're watching the game.
Speaker 1: Obviously he doesn't have that, but it feels like he
Speaker 1: knows it, like you know, like he's running and he
Speaker 1: just kind of stops right at the last second because
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, I'm about to go over the line,
Speaker 1: like he just feels that and then makes that great throw.
Speaker 1: Even still, and like I said, I'm positive that the
Speaker 1: skill of the quarterback plays a role in that, Like
Speaker 1: you're gonna play that differently than you're gonna play Teddy
Speaker 1: Bridgewater most likely I get that, but still still they
Speaker 1: got bullied. My main impression is Antoine Woods is a
Speaker 1: good football player, but he is not so good that
Speaker 1: he's going to magically fix this, which means they got
Speaker 1: they got some work to do. So where are the
Speaker 1: problems out? Which I think name a guy in the
Speaker 1: front seven? We go here, we go? Well, someone someone
Speaker 1: mentioned this to me and showed me a clip, and
Speaker 1: then I went back to watch several plays to see
Speaker 1: if it was true or not. But this whole what
Speaker 1: the revs are doing. I know that's a whole another
Speaker 1: topic here, but if you notice what Green Bay's defensive
Speaker 1: line was doing the right tackle, he would wait for
Speaker 1: the center to kind of lift up his head and
Speaker 1: before he spiked the ball, he would just be doing
Speaker 1: a false start every single time, and he was never called.
Speaker 1: And you could go and I watched multiple plays and
Speaker 1: he would do it every single thing. He was He
Speaker 1: was backing out before the ball was actually flore and
Speaker 1: he was never called. And I'm like, are you which
Speaker 1: side did you tell the left tackle, right, How did
Speaker 1: it make it get onto our show? There's some irony
Speaker 1: there because the point is the I'm saying it goes
Speaker 1: both ways, and I'm I'm sorry, and you're you know what.
Speaker 1: On the on the last like we were down on
Speaker 1: the field the last Packers possession, I noticed that. I
Speaker 1: was like, bulag is clearly early. But that's not why
Speaker 1: the defensive line got pushed around. No, no, no, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying all day, I'm not saying that would have
Speaker 1: changed the game whatsoever. But it's still frustrated, especially when
Speaker 1: you get guys on your own old line that are
Speaker 1: maybe called for holding or this and that, and it's
Speaker 1: just any just when you see that the other team
Speaker 1: is not getting called for certain things that your team
Speaker 1: does get called on, it's frustrated. Well, when you guys
Speaker 1: were in middle school and Mark Colombo was playing here,
Speaker 1: who's ironically the old high school? Oh eight college? Okay, okay, anyways,
Speaker 1: young Mark Colombo did that his entire career, His entire
Speaker 1: career was a half second early than the snap. He
Speaker 1: just was. I mean, I'm not saying that it's okay,
Speaker 1: but it just happens. I just i's the linebackers were terrible,
Speaker 1: is what. I don't know what's going on with with
Speaker 1: the howling and the swiping and all that, but but
Speaker 1: it's not happening enough because they're not making enough plays
Speaker 1: and Jalen Smith and Layton vander Esh, I mean, let's
Speaker 1: call it like it is. When they played terrible the running,
Speaker 1: I mean, when they were not good against the Rams
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Antoine Woods wasn't there. But whatever, um
Speaker 1: they they're not when they're not on and they're getting
Speaker 1: bullied around, this defense isn't that good and so that's
Speaker 1: a that's a problem. Bullied aren't playing well. Confused. I
Speaker 1: mean they they lost contain yeah, six different times. And
Speaker 1: I mean the bye bye touchdown where Aaron Jones was
Speaker 1: waving at Byron Jones again, like the whole defense got
Speaker 1: sucked inside and it's an easy walk in. And that
Speaker 1: happened more than once. Uh. And it happened inside as well,
Speaker 1: where guys were just not getting in their fits. Like
Speaker 1: you could you could see where the defense was flowing,
Speaker 1: and you could see right in the gap where somebody
Speaker 1: should have been and whether it was a linebacker of safety, nobody,
Speaker 1: nobody fit there. Malie Malie Collins is off to a
Speaker 1: good start this season, but he did not have a
Speaker 1: good game yesterday. Does Crawford come back stop? That's harsh?
Speaker 1: Didn't He made a play the first series, first series
Speaker 1: of the game where it was Quinn. I really thought
Speaker 1: he was he was dealing with bologging getting off early.
Speaker 1: That was Lawrence was doing that. And Lawrence was fighting
Speaker 1: linebackers and tight ends all day too. Oh, he was
Speaker 1: doubled in triple teams. They several times they had a
Speaker 1: very good plan for how to deal with the pass rush.
Speaker 1: And honestly, like they had a very good plan. They
Speaker 1: have very good offensive tackles. They have a quarterback who
Speaker 1: can get rid of the ball. I know Rodgers likes
Speaker 1: to hold it, but he can. And I still thought
Speaker 1: the pass rush was pretty good all things considered, Like
Speaker 1: there were several plays where they forced him to get
Speaker 1: rid of it. They sacked him twice, Like this wasn't
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen where Aaron Rodgers on one leg was just
Speaker 1: standing back there all day like they made him uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: It was. I mean, but the run defense is it
Speaker 1: just was? It was a killer. I will say this too.
Speaker 1: There were also times in that game where where there
Speaker 1: they were actually max protect They would keep back, yeah,
Speaker 1: two extra guys in some instances just to be able
Speaker 1: to double both those guys on the outside, and they
Speaker 1: still were completing passes, which you would think in that
Speaker 1: kind of situation when you got more guys back there covering,
Speaker 1: you ought to be able to make a stop, and
Speaker 1: they just weren't. Again, that goes to the brilliance of
Speaker 1: the quarterback. When a receiver gets open and he can
Speaker 1: just drop it right into a pinpoint accurate place. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you've got guys around him, They're still
Speaker 1: going to complete the pass. And that's what they were
Speaker 1: doing now. And the frustrating thing is not only is
Speaker 1: this team lost two straight games, but they lost one
Speaker 1: last week with the team's best player on the sideline.
Speaker 1: This time they lost with the team's best skill player,
Speaker 1: you know, on the sideline with Davante Adams out. So
Speaker 1: it's you know, they're catching breaks, but they haven't taken.
Speaker 1: When you allow fourteen points in the first quarter, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: that is hard to just come back from. Would you guys,
Speaker 1: would you guys take away the turnovers, nix that part
Speaker 1: of it, but would you take green Bay's offensive performance. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm You're going into a game against Green Bay and
Speaker 1: I tell you they're gonna go for three thirty five,
Speaker 1: are gonna run for one hundred and Rodgers is gonna
Speaker 1: throw for two thirty, gonna go three of twelve on
Speaker 1: third down, They're gonna score thirty four points. You take that.
Speaker 1: The thirty four points is still a problem. Thirty four
Speaker 1: points is still a problem. But again, I mean consider
Speaker 1: the opposition, and I know Davante Adams isn't there, but
Speaker 1: but but I was saying last week, if you, I
Speaker 1: guess my point is, if you play a cleaner game
Speaker 1: I eat, don't lose the turnover battle three to nothing,
Speaker 1: then I problem. I'm like, yeah, I'll take that. I
Speaker 1: will take that performance and see where it gets me.
Speaker 1: I just I don't think the Cowboys even going into
Speaker 1: the game, I didn't think the Cowboys gonna shoot out.
Speaker 1: If you're getting up in the thirty range, I think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys lose that kind of game because again, that means,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, that means that Aaron Rodgers would not
Speaker 1: have an opportunity with thirty seconds plus anything. At thirty seconds,
Speaker 1: I don't think they win that game because Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: figures out a way to get it done and win
Speaker 1: the game. So I just think, you know, a shootout
Speaker 1: like that, I think is favoring him. But when more
Speaker 1: than if you keep them down to twenty points or
Speaker 1: sixteen points away. I'm being dumb right now because you
Speaker 1: can't take away the turnovers. But if you don't lose
Speaker 1: the turnover battle three nothing, then it's probably more like
Speaker 1: twenty four twenty seven points instead. Let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: do you think there was a point in the game,
Speaker 1: particularly in the first three quarters where the Packers, where
Speaker 1: this defense was stopping the Packers. They didn't start stopping
Speaker 1: them until it was thirty winds right, And that's my point.
Speaker 1: So even if even if you didn't have the turnovers,
Speaker 1: they weren't stopping them. They were, yeah, the first job,
Speaker 1: but they really weren't stopping them most of the day.
Speaker 1: I think I said that yesterday. Actually, I was like,
Speaker 1: you forced two punts in the first half, Like that's
Speaker 1: a win against Aaron Rodgers as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1: But your offense has to do something with it. And
Speaker 1: if they had remotely done anything with it, you're maybe
Speaker 1: talking seventeen fourteen or fourteen ten at halftime instead of
Speaker 1: seventeen nothing, and it's a completely different game, you know.
Speaker 1: And also you know they called a fumble and Layton
Speaker 1: picks it up and then they go back and you
Speaker 1: know that that was a really weird exchange there for
Speaker 1: the officials and the rules and all that kind of stuff. That, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I think the Cowboys, you know, missed a
Speaker 1: big opportunity there because it looked like it was a fumble.
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones actually, like Jerry Jones gave Rogers credit for that,
Speaker 1: which I wasn't completely ready to do, but maybe you should.
Speaker 1: Is like, you know, he's that smart that he kind
Speaker 1: of made it look like a pass when maybe but
Speaker 1: that's smart, man. Yeah. But the NFL needs to fix
Speaker 1: that problem because that was that's a rule thing that
Speaker 1: the NFL needs to go in and they need to
Speaker 1: be able. What do you mean by that, Well, they're
Speaker 1: they're trying to call it a fumble because they don't
Speaker 1: want to call it in complete on that so that
Speaker 1: if it looks close, they're going to call it a
Speaker 1: fumble and give the Cowboys a chance to get the fumble.
Speaker 1: Then I can blow the whistle dead. I understand that
Speaker 1: the problem here is is that when they go back
Speaker 1: and reviewed it, they're obviously calling it a fumble, so
Speaker 1: they're not going to call it intentional grounding because they
Speaker 1: didn't call it a pass. They called it a fumble.
Speaker 1: But when they're reviewing it and they see that he
Speaker 1: throws it down like that and it doesn't get to
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, that that's in that that should
Speaker 1: be intentional grounding. Let me ask you this though, and
Speaker 1: somebody brought this up because I initially agree with you
Speaker 1: that it should have been intentional grounding. Somebody brought this
Speaker 1: up on Twitter and made me think twice about that. Though.
Speaker 1: The fact that he got his hand hit has to
Speaker 1: batter for something, doesn't it, Because if he gets his
Speaker 1: hand hit, then the reason why it didn't get to
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage is because he got his hand
Speaker 1: hit right, So it doesn't make it a fumble, still
Speaker 1: makes an incomplete pass. But the fact that he was
Speaker 1: throwing and throwing in the direction of a of a receiver,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they would have called intentional grounding
Speaker 1: on that even if it was incomplete. Because of all that,
Speaker 1: I can't I can't bring myself to care about any
Speaker 1: of this when they did so much stupid stuff in
Speaker 1: very true. I mean, we haven't talked about the Garrett penalty.
Speaker 1: We're going there. Twenty total flags. I thought it was
Speaker 1: about as bad of a job refereeing a game as
Speaker 1: I can remember seeing twenty total for the whole. Yeah,
Speaker 1: still don't care. I still don't care about any of
Speaker 1: that because most of the others about twenty eight, most
Speaker 1: of them, a lot of them got pulled, you know,
Speaker 1: to call yea. All right, let's take our final break,
Speaker 1: let's come back. I do want to talk about Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett and his moment yesterday, a moment that most fans
Speaker 1: probably were I don't know. Maybe they're excited to see
Speaker 1: what we'll talk about that when we come right back.
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Speaker 1: back into this thing. I wanted to talk about Jason Garrett.
Speaker 1: That was a moment in yesterday's game where uncharacteristically, Jason
Speaker 1: kind of just lost it. And that's not something most
Speaker 1: people are used to seeing Jason, nor nobody's really used
Speaker 1: to seeing Jason doing it. Was Actually, I actually like
Speaker 1: to see that Jason Garrett. I actually have seen I've
Speaker 1: seen video of Jason being a lot more animated in
Speaker 1: some of his team meetings, and I've always said to
Speaker 1: a lot of people around here, I really want more
Speaker 1: opportunities to show that because I don't think fans really
Speaker 1: know the side of him that a lot of us
Speaker 1: who've seen some of those videos. No, but that moment
Speaker 1: was was pretty good, but it did cost his team.
Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about what happened and what you
Speaker 1: guys found out after the game. I know there is
Speaker 1: a pool reporter that can go and talk to officials
Speaker 1: to find out clarity on certain calls. Talk to me
Speaker 1: about what you guys found. Abusive language was what the
Speaker 1: referee said, That's what it was. Jerry said about that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what Jerry said. And there's there's a whole other part
Speaker 1: of it too, which it did not It wasn't anyways. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was, I would say it. I was just really hoping.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that he was referring to the ref who
Speaker 1: called it and not the female ref. Because that was
Speaker 1: the case, then we have a bigger problem on our hand.
Speaker 1: That's That's not what Jerry said at all. But I
Speaker 1: have some insight about some things that happened a little
Speaker 1: earlier than that that led to it. Overall, I thought, um,
Speaker 1: you know, it was Jason. There was his emotion, and
Speaker 1: you know, I don't necessarily agree with that. I don't
Speaker 1: think the officials should have done that, but when you
Speaker 1: go back and look at what happened probably the hour before,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Well, I was trying to let everyone
Speaker 1: get involved. Sorry I didn't seen you. Remember when I
Speaker 1: said it in the press box, I was like, this
Speaker 1: guy stopped the game to go and tell Jason to
Speaker 1: get back. Remember that he Jason was kind of down
Speaker 1: there like that. He stops the game and tells Jason
Speaker 1: to get back. They were going at it beforehand, and
Speaker 1: then on the past interference that he was challenging. He
Speaker 1: was thinking about challenging with UM thirty eight and thirty brown.
Speaker 1: You could see on the broadcast he's like, then do it,
Speaker 1: throw it? Then throw it. He's like, he's like baiting Jason,
Speaker 1: like throw it. So he's like, you know, he's just
Speaker 1: kind of like mocking him. So he throws it, and
Speaker 1: then of course it doesn't happen. And that's what he
Speaker 1: was mad about because the way the rules are set up,
Speaker 1: once you miss one challenge, you've only got two. So
Speaker 1: he has to waste this challenge when he says he
Speaker 1: clearly caught it in front of him, which I don't
Speaker 1: know how clear it was, but they said it was
Speaker 1: clear to them down there on the sideline. They I'm
Speaker 1: sure they had a nice view of it, and I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody else in that stadium definitely thought it
Speaker 1: was a catch. Well, you know why, you know why
Speaker 1: the moment we noticed it is when you see the
Speaker 1: black flakes popping up because he's dragging that second foot.
Speaker 1: When you're on the sideline, you immediately see those little
Speaker 1: pebbles popping up, So for them, they probably probably away,
Speaker 1: which it also happened five feet away from the ref
Speaker 1: so right, that's my point. I get Garrett's frustrated, which
Speaker 1: you know, I thought that was stupid for years. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm a big college football fan. Their system is better.
Speaker 1: They just review, They review everything that's close. The only problem,
Speaker 1: and I firmly believe this. It makes the game drag
Speaker 1: out forever college football games take foot. How fans care
Speaker 1: about it? That's my point the fight. The NFL cares.
Speaker 1: The NFL cares more about games being short and the
Speaker 1: broadcast windows. If the fans don't care, I just don't
Speaker 1: see the point. It's a it's a stupid system. It
Speaker 1: sucks that at Yeah, I mean, you got to throw
Speaker 1: a challenge flag to the gate. The referee's mistakes there again,
Speaker 1: the refs were atrocious yesterday for both sides. I like
Speaker 1: college football system. And here's here's why that that really
Speaker 1: mattered because yeah, they got first and twenty five, they
Speaker 1: got twenty six. On the next play they went and scored.
Speaker 1: But that you know, the third interception when Gallup was
Speaker 1: going in gets his helmet pulled twice in one play,
Speaker 1: which is maybe a record. I mean, and Dak throws
Speaker 1: it shouldn't have thrown it whatever. But Garrett throws the
Speaker 1: challenge flag there and says, you missed PI big time
Speaker 1: and they're gonna they're gonna overturn that one. And so
Speaker 1: now now you're sitting at midfield down fourteen the game.
Speaker 1: You know now that we really might have a game.
Speaker 1: But that's why all of those things kind of played in,
Speaker 1: which is bad. I guess Mickey made this point on
Speaker 1: talking I saw on Twitter, is if if the refs
Speaker 1: don't bungle that, then Garrett's still got a challenge on
Speaker 1: the gallop king pick and you could conceivably apparent ye
Speaker 1: could conceivably challenge that. They wouldn't have won new splash
Speaker 1: because they don't overturn it. But you could have at
Speaker 1: least used it anything the previous thirty seconds, Like what
Speaker 1: were you doing in the previous three seconds of when
Speaker 1: I just say all that just now? But damn, I
Speaker 1: would you look at that? I was looking through. But
Speaker 1: what I said is they would get it. You don't
Speaker 1: think so, No, you don't think that the ref looking
Speaker 1: that that sees that, the him pulling him his head
Speaker 1: down twice and not going to call that. They haven't
Speaker 1: have they overturned one call all year seven seven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen one in all the football I've watched
Speaker 1: some pretty egregious ones. I saw heading into the weekend's game,
Speaker 1: it was like twenty six, and they've they've done seven overturned.
Speaker 1: I think they would have done that one, especially after
Speaker 1: they just you know, screwed them and called a palmty.
Speaker 1: I think they would have given them that one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I haven't seen it. I haven't
Speaker 1: seen anything in all of the NFL football that I've
Speaker 1: watched this season that suggests that they would have done it,
Speaker 1: because I think they ref's care more about preserving their
Speaker 1: own egos and reputations than admitting when they're wrong. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, Sid, because everyone watches the TV and
Speaker 1: sees exactly what happened, so it's like, no, you're not.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you're getting away within the game, but
Speaker 1: you're still being called. I think the point of them,
Speaker 1: I think the point of them changing that rule this
Speaker 1: year was too overturn egregious situations. And I do think
Speaker 1: you can make the argument that that was egregious. I
Speaker 1: kind of agree with Dave that it's got to be
Speaker 1: really egregious, like the chances that they overturn them a
Speaker 1: small because it has to be a situation where it's
Speaker 1: so egregious that they look at and they say, hey,
Speaker 1: this is so big that we have to overturn it
Speaker 1: because we don't want to have another situation like what
Speaker 1: happened with the psych If you bull ahead a guy's
Speaker 1: head down once in a play, yeah, if you do
Speaker 1: it twice in the same play, then egregious egregies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what that is. Yeah, But either way, the point
Speaker 1: is thrown either way. Either way, the point is it
Speaker 1: did affect Jason's ability to at least get it on
Speaker 1: record that this was a bad call and allowed them
Speaker 1: the opportunity to be able to correct it. And he
Speaker 1: didn't have that because the ref missed the call and
Speaker 1: then he throws his flag. Maybe because on the Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown one, I think it's well maybe I think it's
Speaker 1: funny that you know, it was a third down, right,
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown, Yeah, no, that's first down, But it was
Speaker 1: thirty nine yard penalty. I've seen. I've seen so many
Speaker 1: instances over the years of just watching football games where
Speaker 1: a player completely loses his cool gets a flag for
Speaker 1: unsportsmanlike conduct and it's you know, We're talking about it
Speaker 1: Monday as like the reason why they lost the game,
Speaker 1: and it just it's funny to me, like it speaks
Speaker 1: to how like stoic and even keeled Jason is with
Speaker 1: the clapping and the not getting fired up that like
Speaker 1: he cost his team, and like everybody was thrilled about it.
Speaker 1: Everyone was like, finally, finally you act mad in a
Speaker 1: situation where it seems warranted and everybody else is mad.
Speaker 1: You ought to be mad too. But you know, if
Speaker 1: that had happened to a cornerback then we would be
Speaker 1: killing him right now. And I'm really glad that it
Speaker 1: was because he said something, because you know, I was
Speaker 1: in the press box. I was like this, you were living, well, no,
Speaker 1: you were living about the fact that he would throw
Speaker 1: the flag. I thought he was. He was getting shown
Speaker 1: like he was mad that he kind of showed him
Speaker 1: up right, But yet his flag hit the scoreboard like
Speaker 1: he threw it as high as he possibly could to show,
Speaker 1: oh no, you didn't, you know, and throws it up
Speaker 1: there like that. But it was he must have called
Speaker 1: him something him. Yeah, it was a bolder m. I approved.
Speaker 1: I approved, Wait, you approve of what? Whatever? Gant said
Speaker 1: his face looked like the flag. I mean, he he
Speaker 1: was mad. He had that red emoji. Won it was.
Speaker 1: It was a nice change of pace, like the fact
Speaker 1: that Jason doesn't get super emotional on the sideline doesn't
Speaker 1: bother me the way it bothers a lot of people.
Speaker 1: But it was still kind of fun to see him
Speaker 1: like he had reached his breaking point. Everybody just wants
Speaker 1: Bill Cower, you know, let's go. But I mean, Tony Dungee,
Speaker 1: it worked, Tom Landry, it worked. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: everyone's got their own way and get I guarantee you
Speaker 1: those guys when they were behind closed door, they got
Speaker 1: to get with their team when they need to get
Speaker 1: with their teams. And we saw it on that TV
Speaker 1: show a couple of years ago. Like if you watched
Speaker 1: All or Nothing, then you know Jason Garrett has a
Speaker 1: little more fire to them than what people want to
Speaker 1: give them credit for. You all right, quick show, that
Speaker 1: is that's what we will do. What we will do.
Speaker 1: I still need to get into special teams. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about that tomorrow because there were some significant things from
Speaker 1: the special. We didn't even talk about Brett Maher we
Speaker 1: did not, but we will tomorrow. So it makes you
Speaker 1: tune in tomorrow at eleven forty five, our normal time
Speaker 1: until then for Nick Even, Dave Hellman, Amber Garcia. I'm
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