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Speaker 1: you protection of I Heart Radio. So here's my question

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Speaker 1: if we do call it the American pastime, if it

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Speaker 1: is that, then excluding women from it means they aren't

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Speaker 1: part of America's story, and that transgressing playing baseball playing

428
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Speaker 1: this American pastime threatens America itself. That steep stuff. And

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Speaker 1: of course, of course, because this is what we do.

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Speaker 1: Another favorite part of this movie and a theme, is

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Speaker 1: the female friendship. We can live and love and help

432
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Speaker 1: and support each other, and this movie elevated that. I

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Speaker 1: love it. So it's described in a few places as

434
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Speaker 1: a buddy movie for women and family movie because you know, sisters,

435
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: you gotta love the sister's part um. I think they

436
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: do a great job in telling the stories how they

437
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: really none of them are competing with each other. There's

438
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Speaker 1: a little bit of competition between Dottie that's more familial

439
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: than anything else than gender based. But the rest of

440
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: them are really good at trying to help each other

441
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Speaker 1: and push each other. Of course, you do have the

442
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: catty main girl bit a little bit, yeah, but it's

443
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: not intense. Yeah. And I really appreciated how like, I

444
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: mean skill, gotta recognize skill because I feel like in

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Speaker 1: the beginning, Doris and all the way may kind of

446
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Speaker 1: being braddy to Dottie and then she like, show no,

447
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: I'm good, and they immediately are like, oh no, I

448
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta meet this person. I gotta know how

449
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: she does what she does, like seeing that the skills

450
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Speaker 1: and and the areas where the other women excelled, Like,

451
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: I really liked that part of it. That right, they

452
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: just respected each other exactly that when they rent through

453
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Speaker 1: the trials and all of them kind of came out

454
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: together like, Okay, we're all pretty good. Coo coo cool,

455
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: we can do this. Um. And every time we talk

456
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: about Madonna in this movie, Playground, that song comes in

457
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: at the end of the end of the credits because

458
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: she used to meet my playground. Oh, I still love

459
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 1: that song. I love that song. Oh my god, all

460
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: the films anyway, Going back, as we were talking about, sisters,

461
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 1: Kitty and Dottie step up and it's beautiful for Marla

462
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: after she's deemed as not attractive enough to play despite

463
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: displaying a ridiculous talent in her abilities and refusing to

464
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Speaker 1: get on that train and putting their foot down literally

465
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Speaker 1: and say we're not leaving without her. I love that. Yeah,

466
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of examples of that throughout the film.

467
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: Another one is one of the players can't read, another

468
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: one steps up to to help her and does it

469
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: like in a really kind and gentle empathetic way. And

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Speaker 1: then Madonna later we see Madonna all the way may

471
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Speaker 1: teaching her how to read. Poor. No, I believe it

472
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: is a romantic novel. How dare you? You're right? I'm sorry,

473
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I've got to get these facts correct. Um. Yeah,

474
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: just touching examples throughout of them looking out for each other. Um.

475
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: And then yes, sisterhood. Um, that is a very big

476
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: theme throughout. Um, this rivalry between Kit and Dottie, where

477
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: Kit feels like, um, she's living in her sister's shadow,

478
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: and you do see that. I mean, she's not wrong

479
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: being told she's not as pretty, she's not as talented.

480
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: And then Dottie kind of doing the older sister thing

481
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:45,239
Speaker 1: where she's very like always giving her tips, always kind

482
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:50,719
Speaker 1: of critiquing her kindly, but like you know, always always

483
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: got the know it all. Yeah. Um, but yeah, and

484
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: I loved I loved that as well. I was worried

485
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Speaker 1: when I read. I didn't know that there's like a

486
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Speaker 1: sister drama in this, and I was like, oh, no,

487
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: is it going to be super catty? And I mean

488
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: it got pretty intense, but it was never as bad

489
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Speaker 1: as I thought. He was going to get it right, yeah,

490
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Speaker 1: and and you know they in the end, Kit did

491
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Speaker 1: what she thought was right and she well it paid

492
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Speaker 1: off for her. YEP. I always thought, though I didn't

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Speaker 1: know for sure, like do you think Dottie did it

494
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Speaker 1: on purpose? I wondered that I don't know for sure,

495
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: but I always had this back of my head like

496
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: did she accidentally or did she actually drop it? Yeah,

497
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought about it too. I think

498
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: she accidentally, um, because otherwise, I mean, I'd be really

499
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: cutting for Kit to find out later. They seem like

500
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: the type that just respected good competition. But also it's possible.

501
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: I did think it too. I mean, like Dotty knowing

502
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: this was her last game leaving and then trying to

503
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: help her sister, maybe she felt like she owed her. Yeah, no,

504
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: it's definitely possible. Um. I also thought that when she

505
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: gave Ellen Sue the tip. At first, I was like, oh,

506
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Speaker 1: is that to help Kit? But then I realized, no,

507
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Speaker 1: that's what she said in the beginning. M Oh that

508
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: was going after her for sure. Yeah. There was no

509
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: mercy on that one. Yeah, But I like I thought

510
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Speaker 1: their relationship was really fleshed out and I could connect

511
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Speaker 1: with as someone with siblings. They're no sisters. Um, I

512
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: can connect with those kind of dynamics. Oh yeah, I

513
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: have a sister and she was adorable, you know, perfect blonde, small,

514
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: cheerful woman. And then me coming in coming in literally

515
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: the adopted girl, m under her shadow. I can definitely

516
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: feel that in comparison to how am I. It has

517
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: nothing to do with my sister, has everything to do

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Speaker 1: with my own and security. Reason. I could relate to

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00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: Kit on that and that childishness to want to prove

520
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: themselves as beyond and just as good, if not better. Yeah, yeah, um,

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00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: And I liked how um did you know Tom Hanks's

522
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: famous line is there's no crying in baseball? But in

523
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: the end, like, um, he kind of gets to replay

524
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: the scene and doesn't yell at her when she's tearing up.

525
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: But then also Kit has that moment that Dottie sees

526
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: where she's sort of like tearing up and upset and

527
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,239
Speaker 1: people are kind of being supportive of her. So um,

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00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: that was nice, nice to see. I loved it good yea. Um,

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Speaker 1: and we did want to talk about the legacy of

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Speaker 1: this movie a little bit before we close out here,

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Speaker 1: But first we're gonna pause for one more quick break

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Speaker 1: for a word from her sponsor, and we're back, Thank

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Speaker 1: you sponsor. So in a Bitch Media article called thanks

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Speaker 1: to Sexism, we still need a League of their own

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00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: twenty five years later by Brittany Data krzaz Um, she

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00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: details how many women and girls in baseball still faced

537
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: the sexism depicted in this movie, down to being outright mocked, um, undermined,

538
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: and laughed at. She cites the reporting sports journalist Jessica

539
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: Luther around they recently established girls Travel Baseball, formed by

540
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: dads and daughters interested in playing the sport, and they

541
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: encountered all kinds of nonsense, boys teams dropping out of

542
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: tournaments when they learned they'd have to play against girls,

543
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: to the point they'd enter only the first initial and

544
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: the last name on the g TB roster to hide

545
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: the gender of the players. Um, grown men heckling them. Um,

546
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: real nice. The MLB didn't ban the practice of hazing

547
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: rookies by making them wear the A A G P

548
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: B L outfits until um, of course he's from mail

549
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: mail rookie. So that's pretty recent, right, and baseball players

550
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: are still seen as men, as are the fans. Women's

551
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: clothing is still police, not just in baseball, but in

552
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: other sports as well and in general. UM Gina Davis

553
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: shared in interviews that the actors would be covered in

554
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: scrapes and bruises because they lacked the protection playing that

555
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: men's clothes would have offered them. I mean, just the

556
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: scenes of them, they had that hell little montage of

557
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 1: all of the injuries they had. I was like, I

558
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: wasn't paying looking at that. I could not imagine because

559
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: you were thinking, Okay, so they're expected to play like this,

560
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: but that they get hit with balls and such. They

561
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: don't have any covering on them. They're just literal flesh

562
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: that gets hit by something. What. Yeah, they weren't even

563
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: wearing helmets. I don't but helmets weren't being used at

564
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: that point. I guess in any baseball wouldn't. Yeah, I

565
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: mean it's one of those things were in a weird way.

566
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: It feels almost and I put heavy quotes on this,

567
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: but like tougher, Like they had to be tougher than

568
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: male players because they were being forced to wear these outfits.

569
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: Um and like I can just imagine because I've had that,

570
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: like sliding into home base a couple of times without

571
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: you know, like in short or something, and it hurts,

572
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: and like the pause that I would take in my

573
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: brain knowing this is gonna hurt, it can cost you

574
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: a game because like you're that minute, like split second

575
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: of oh god, this is gonna hurt. Um, So I'm

576
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: sure it affected gameplay. Um, and I am. I'm very

577
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: interested to see what the Amazon Prime show will be like.

578
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: I'm excited. I'm excited about what that's gonna be like.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, um, I don't know if I

580
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 1: didn't know those until looking it up, but Dolores Lee

581
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: was an extra in the movie who is an a

582
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 1: a g p p L player. She was a former

583
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: player and she was in the stands and one of

584
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: the things I'll have to go back and look for her,

585
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: but she was actually in the movie as well, and

586
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: they do give credit to her, which is nice to see.

587
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: But I'm really excited to see what the show could

588
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: look like. That it looks like a lot of good

589
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: actual storytelling, so as opposed to the movie that you

590
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: do see a lot of historical things, but they bring

591
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: in a lot more depth I guess any TV series.

592
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: But I'm excited to see what that looks like. Yeah, Yeah,

593
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 1: me too. Um, And I guess in closing, this movie

594
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: has a lasting legacy, and it inspired a new wave

595
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: of players of events honoring players from the movie. But

596
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: we still have a long way to go. Um, and

597
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 1: I'm I'm happy to see some of that progress being made.

598
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: One of the actors from the film, Megan Kavanagh, told

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00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: the Chicago Tribune. I hear it all the time, people

600
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: say we watched the movie on the bus on the

601
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: way to our games. So many girls say if it

602
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: wasn't for that movie, they wouldn't have played ball. What

603
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 1: more can you ask for? Yeah, I mean I still

604
00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: watch it as a punk get pumped movies sometimes. I

605
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: told you this was my movie, one of my movies

606
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: to watch while the election was happening and giving myself

607
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: some hope. Um, and just really wishing for a different turnout.

608
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I guess maybe this year. Any

609
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: you wanna you wanna join me for my get pumped movies? Yes, okay,

610
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: so this is this is gonna be my tradition. So

611
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be watching the League of their own. I

612
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: think last time I watched that enough First Wives Club,

613
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: whichever made you watch before? And I don't know why

614
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: First Wives Club, but it just made me feel like

615
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: because well I think actually I do know why now

616
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: that I thing about it. Um anyway, Um, but just

617
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: kind of like in hopes that women can just be

618
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: on top after being wronged so many times. That was

619
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Speaker 1: kind of that theme. But yeah, we'll have to let's

620
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: look into that another movie to it. Yeah, I'll I'll

621
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: think if I have any movies like that, I'm sure do. Yeah. Um.

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00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: And if you steners, if you have any movies for

623
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: that list, oh, please send them to us. Um and

624
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: also let us know what our next movie pick should be.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Howard Things Andrew, and thanks to you for listening

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