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Speaker 1: Um podcast starts now. Hello everyone, and hi and hi.

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Speaker 1: How's everyone doing? Are you guys doing great? Little ones? Hi,

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Speaker 1: little babies, Hi, little babies. Welcome to the world. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the world. I know it seems scary right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you're all feeling confused, but we're here for you,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to teach you how everything works. You

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Speaker 1: have nothing to be scared of. Luckily, you are all

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Speaker 1: UM breastfeeding. Sam and I are breastfeeding all our listeners

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Speaker 1: as we speak on our numerous nipples all across our bodies,

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Speaker 1: all across our bodies, and we are here to nurture

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Speaker 1: you because what this world needs is more love. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, that's so true. And if, if, if, if

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Speaker 1: just one person out there can be turned from hate

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Speaker 1: conversion therapy I care about, is turning people from hate

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Speaker 1: to love. You know, it's interesting people think they are hate,

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Speaker 1: but actually their their love. Well, you just have to convert.

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Speaker 1: They just need to convert. And if you are hate,

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Speaker 1: just know that I love you, and not for what

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Speaker 1: you are, but for what you could be converted to be,

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Speaker 1: which is love. That's right, and I you know, you

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Speaker 1: have to hate the sin, not the sinner. Um. And

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Speaker 1: so the only thing I hate is in fact, the

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Speaker 1: concept of hate. And people say, you know, it's not

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Speaker 1: you so you can't, like I know better than you.

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Speaker 1: You are hey, yeah you are? Hey if you okay,

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Speaker 1: this goes out to anyone who's ever critiqued me, Yeah

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Speaker 1: you are hate. That is classic hate. Classic hate behavior

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Speaker 1: is critiquing samp you are right. And and meanwhile, I

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Speaker 1: I say, I don't love that, but I love you exactly.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting a lot of our listeners are

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Speaker 1: hate but they're there, but they're but they're the kind

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Speaker 1: from an early age, you know, as as um as Americans,

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Speaker 1: what's your favorite color? It's also like, well what colors

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Speaker 1: this is like we're stopping that today. That's right. And

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Speaker 1: the thing I think about American rhetoric in general, it's

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Speaker 1: like it is people who so clearly have hate in

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Speaker 1: It's like it's like, you know, you're being told like

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Speaker 1: and that's not a message of love. Actually it's actually not.

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Speaker 1: It's confusing. This is about hypocrisy and politics. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this podcast essentially is about hypocrisy in politics. Something people

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Speaker 1: don't point out enough is literally sometimes politicians can be hypocritical.

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Speaker 1: And that's kind of why we started this podcast is

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Speaker 1: hina light on such hypocrisies. Well, we were kind of

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Speaker 1: like scrolling through our feeds and reading newspapers and magazines

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Speaker 1: opinion columnists pointing out hypocrisy? It seemed like a real

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Speaker 1: our best interest, for instance, to have a politician that

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Speaker 1: So then here we are two years later, literally consulting

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Speaker 1: hypocrisy podcast. Yeah. I don't know if you guys have

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Speaker 1: you should watch My Crawler. It's really good. Okay, And

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Speaker 1: you should probably watch Drying my Car. Yeah, probably, I

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Speaker 1: drive my car show times, well this this. That is

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Speaker 1: college is just constantly accidentally seducing all your professors and

423
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: being like, well, I just have to hide. I need

424
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: to get the safe plus on my own, Marrit. I

425
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: wanted to seduce a teacher so bad. Yeah, it's like

426
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: one of my great regrets is that I wasn't able

427
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: to pull it off. Did you try? No? But I

428
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: just thought it would happen, like it was like, you know,

429
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: I think, really what it is a problem with media

430
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: representations of college, and I kind of assumed it would

431
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 1: be much easier for like a professor to make eyes

432
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: at me and us go hook up in the bathroom

433
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: or something. And it turns out in Virginia there actually

434
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: weren't that many gay professors. I don't think, Matt, did

435
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: you ever come with a professor? I never did. That's embarrassing. Um,

436
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny these stereotypes, Like I recently found

437
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: out this guy, this like very famous writer who also

438
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: no think more prestige, who also teaches out of college,

439
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: Like I just found out, Like it's an like not

440
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 1: that this is not that there's any like abuse happening,

441
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: but it's like an open secret that he sleeps with

442
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: a lot of his female students, and it's just like,

443
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: well he does it constantly, blah blah, and I'm like, wow,

444
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: it's crazy to just lean into being a cliche, Like

445
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: that's kind of something you see in the movie. Yeah,

446
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: well yeah, straight cliches are they're a different breed. Well,

447
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: I feel like so much of being gay is trying

448
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: so hard to avoid cliches that you are then paralyzed

449
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 1: and end of offering nothing to the world. And then

450
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: it actually is more liberating to just like not be

451
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: aware that you are libing a cliche. I think there's

452
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: something about owning as a game as a gay man,

453
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: There's something powerful about owning the fact that you are

454
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: a cliche, like to be like I'm a gay man

455
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: and I listened to Lady Gaga and like that's just

456
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: like okay, good, you'll be fine. Maybe that's true. Well,

457
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: you know what's I think actually one of the most

458
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: difficult aspects of being straight is that you're not allowed

459
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: to reclaim any of your bad stereotypes. If you're in

460
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: any other community, you can be like, well, I'm reclaiming

461
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: being like feminine as a man or I'm reclaiming, you know. Uh,

462
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 1: let's say, like an element of my culture that has

463
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: been called dumb in the past or whatever. But then

464
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: if you're a straight person, you have no choice but

465
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: either to be ashamed or be oblivious. Thoughts. I think

466
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: we nailed it. I think I think we're really heading

467
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: into today's topic. Okay, yes, discussion. So so, Matt, why

468
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: don't you introduce what the topic is and also kind

469
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: of what made you think of it and why you

470
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: think it's straight? Um, Okay, today's topic is bands. And

471
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: I've just been thinking that as as soon as I

472
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: came out the word, the word band just sort of

473
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: left by vocabulary. You know. In high school as a kid,

474
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 1: I was hearing a lot about bands. What was your

475
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: favorite band? Going to see this band? My friend is

476
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: in a band, and I'm really not sure that I've

477
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: heard the word in a decade, And so I thought

478
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: we could investigate why the sam what what is your

479
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: relationship to bands? Well, my relationship is complicated. I when

480
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: I first went to New York, I was in a

481
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: band for like two years. What the fuck? Yeah, I mean,

482
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: like I played like Bushwick shows and stuff. What the

483
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: hell kind of instrument. I'm not kidding, Sam, I like

484
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: you a little less um. I was the drummer and yeah,

485
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: I honey, I love the drums. Baby, I don't know

486
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: how else to answer, did you? I'm sorry you were

487
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: a drummer. So at what point in your life did

488
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: you learn to play the drum? Literally co hosting a

489
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: podcast together for almost three years burns Out, you're a

490
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: drumming Greek pottery, that's talking about. I learned how to

491
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: play the drums in college because I lived with a

492
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: bunch of musicians and they we had like an extra

493
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: room with all these instruments, and when we'd like get

494
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: drunk and like they'd start playing music and I was like, okay,

495
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: I need to be able to participate in this. And

496
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: I was horrible a guitar. And then I like learned

497
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: the basics. One of them like taught me some basics

498
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: of drums, and then from then I could sort of

499
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: rock out and got and then got better at over time. Wow,

500
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: I mean, that's so funny. Have we talked about how

501
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: I also lived with a band? No? Yeah, so I

502
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: so they're some my best trans from college are all

503
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: in this band. That kind of changed formations and names

504
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: and now are actually very successful band in Los Angeles.

505
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: They're called Sure Sure. They have like over a million

506
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: monthly with they're like actually very real. UM and the

507
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: and we're still and we're still friends. But my first

508
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: year out of college when I lived in San Francisco,

509
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: I lived in a house with eight people and it

510
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: was I think the breakdown was like five of them

511
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: were in the band and they had like a band

512
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: practice room, and then the other three, yeah, we're not

513
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: in the band. So it was mostly the non band

514
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: people were kind of a marginalized minority in within the

515
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: society of the house. UM and the band room I

516
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: believe was right under my bedroom, so I the practice

517
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: would kind of seep into, uh, seep into my slumber.

518
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: Whenever there's a band involved, you're kind of like like

519
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: from a movie, like it's just so funny. I mean,

520
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: I guess people maybe sometimes people maybe people feel that

521
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: way about like comedy and we're just used to it.

522
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: But like the idea of someone being in the band,

523
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: you're like, no, that's not real. I mean, a band

524
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: is even more cinematic, I feel than like comedy, like

525
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: most things are well, you have to like literally like

526
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: you like roll up with your gear. You know, you

527
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: have like set up your gear, and then like you

528
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: have to like communicate with the other bands on the

529
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: show and be like, oh do you mind my bow?

530
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, I brought my kids. That's and it's

531
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: like everyone's like trying to be really cool at each other.

532
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: It's the only thing where you like it is only vibes.

533
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: Like all you can do is try to be cool.

534
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: Like everyone's just trying to be cooler than everyone else.

535
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: It's a it's an arms race and a toxic one

536
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, when I think about in high school,

537
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: you know, boys, I went to high school, but we're

538
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: trying to impress girls, sleep with girls. They would start

539
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: a band or be in a band, and they would

540
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: never just announce I am a musician. I am going

541
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: to be a solo artist. I'm going to get up

542
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: here by myself and perform because what could be more

543
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: tender and vulnerable than that. So it just feels like

544
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: band is the bands are just these facades people to

545
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: present a vibe. Right, I have a question to me,

546
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: It's actually crazy how many bands there are, because doesn't

547
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: it seem so difficult to get like three four or

548
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: five people to all be like coordinated, have similar levels

549
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: of talent, have a similar vision. It's actually like miraculous. Also,

550
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: it's very chosen family in a way you wouldn't expect

551
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:33,479
Speaker 1: from straight people. Might so so for the band you

552
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: lived with, George, Yeah, and the band you were in, Sam,

553
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: we're in a fight about it. Um, were the members

554
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: of those bands? That's right? Yes? Mine? Hardcore? Everyone was

555
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: straight Yeah, mine mine. Currently everyone remaining in the band

556
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: is just straight man. Um. When I lived with them,

557
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: the lead singer was Aman and she is queer, but

558
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: was dating a man at the time. Not that that

559
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: not not that that makes you an anny less square.

560
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: I am just dating facts one of the most queer

561
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: things you can do. Yeah, but currently the band is

562
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: three straight men. So Sam, how did it feel to

563
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: be a gay member of another one? Um? Yeah, what

564
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: is going on there? I mean it was like a

565
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: I wouldn't call it. It wasn't a fully closeted era,

566
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like out and proud like it was like,

567
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: like everyone knows that I am gay, but I am not,

568
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: Like that's the pre that's not me being like and

569
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: I love Lady Gaga that's like like gay and being

570
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: like and I love Neil Young, I'm different, um, which

571
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: is you know, remains true, but but but I was

572
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: leaning a little bit harder into that side. Um And

573
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: and sometimes I do feel I don't know if it's

574
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: being gay or my general sensibilities, but they don't necessarily

575
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 1: match sort of um indie rock lifestyles of Brooklyn because

576
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: like I would, people would be like, you smile so much,

577
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: like I like it, just I it's like my resting

578
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: face was like this sort of smile thing, and it

579
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: would be like the songs would be so dramatic, and

580
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: I would be like giving like the widest smile the

581
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: whole time. I'm Sam is doing like a drumming gesture

582
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: while kind of blankly smiling. So if you can imagine,

583
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: let's say Travis Marker type smiling wildly as he plays

584
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: all the small things. I want to see Sam on

585
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: one of those drum sets that has drums up upwards,

586
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: real real, Sheila, Oh yeah, I mean it is fun

587
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: like music. It's also okay, it's so much not to

588
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: make it about music be comedy, but it's hard not

589
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: to go there. It's so much easier because you don't

590
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: have to get any reaction when you're playing music like

591
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: interesting people. I mean, it's easier to perform once you

592
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: have it ready, but I certainly think it's harder to

593
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: get to a place where you can perform a song.

594
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: I actually it's a hundred times easier, but it's but

595
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: maybe I think this is where where I have I'm

596
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: having trouble with this is I'm like again, I'm just

597
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,720
Speaker 1: like in awe that five people could ever get together

598
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: and co create something, and especially because like not my

599
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 1: friends that are in a band, but the average person

600
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: in a band is not very smart. Wow, drugon, how

601
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: is it okay? As if music isn't an art? I mean,

602
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: it's that's why it's that's why it's twenty something. I mean,

603
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: I guess it's like a writer's room. I guess. So

604
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: I'm like put it in terms I understand. It's like

605
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: big mouth. I mean I feel like the big mouth

606
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: is Dave Matthews bands. Like there are so many writers yeah,

607
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: fire these Arcade fire, I mean is there Like so

608
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: that was like two thousand eleven era when I was

609
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: in a band, and it was like then, I feel

610
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: like after that, it was like Okay, now we're going

611
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: to try to sit out to then be a solo drummer.

612
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's I love the idea of of

613
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: you being like you were holding me back drummer. No,

614
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: it was actually much worse. I was like usual to

615
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: holding me back. I need my nights for you to

616
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: do open mic stand up comedies, which is horrific. But

617
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: but then like, I do feel like there's a movement

618
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: to try to be like, oh, bands in two ten

619
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: are all white straight men. Now indie rock is going

620
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: to have a full like there's queer indie rock, and

621
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: I actually feel like maybe that's I'm like, did that

622
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: ever happen? Um? No, yeah, I mean I'm I'm very

623
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: aware lots of very successful bands with you know, queer members.

624
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: But it still feels to me that when you go

625
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: to a banned concert, band concert, when I go to

626
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: a band concert, it feels like a very straight dominated atmosphere,

627
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: and then pretty much any solo act that I see

628
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: it feels like the gays are out in their merch works.

629
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: Because on paper, you would think a band would be

630
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: more like just on paper, not knowing any of the

631
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: cultural context, it's like more collaborative, it's like more it

632
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,959
Speaker 1: can maybe be more theatrical. They're multiple people and then

633
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,919
Speaker 1: one and then a solo artist is very much like okay,

634
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: we're going to church. Yeah, why do give people love?

635
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: Solo artists their reactionary it's it's it's worship. Yeah, they're

636
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: basically seeking. It's like, well they got kicked out of

637
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: the Catholic church. Now they're just seeking like some kind

638
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: of our alternative to the pope. And they're like, maybe

639
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 1: it's duelipa. I do think there is just a cult

640
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 1: of personality. Yeah, is maybe more interesting to get behind

641
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: than than a band, which he said is kind of

642
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: a vibe as opposed to falling in love with this

643
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: person's soul. It's also kind of a brand, like it's like, okay, well,

644
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: if you are a h Fish fan, that's it's almost

645
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: like a brand that you are subscribing to, whereas if

646
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: you are a Lady Gaga fan, that's like a queen

647
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: that you're standing. Also feels a little bit like, so, George,

648
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,959
Speaker 1: I know you are also a tennis scan, but why

649
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: I like tennis more than team sports because you are

650
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: just watching an individual like get in there and they're

651
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna win or they're gonna lose. You're so

652
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: invested in like this one person's effort. Yeah, I'm ultimately,

653
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it is, maybe it is a problematic,

654
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: maybe I'm seeking the Catholic Church, But ultimately I am

655
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: always going to prefer an individual door a group. Yeah.

656
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: When gay guys like bands, Know, when gay guys like bands,

657
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: something about it feels performance like they're like trying to

658
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: be not like other gay guys. Yeah, and of course

659
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: we are inadvertently erasing non strict guye bands like Sam.

660
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: You and I are going to see him in two days,

661
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: but where Okay, I am also going to see what

662
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: I'm however, him kind of as close as you can

663
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: get to just seeing one one. Yes, Nail solo artists. Yeah,

664
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: they're all the same family. They all like are they're

665
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: all the same genetic material. They all go by the

666
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: one name that each of their name. We're trying to

667
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: ease into the concept of a band by going to

668
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: a band where it's three of the same person. Yeah,

669
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: and they're all kind of like iconic queens. Yeah, I'm

670
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 1: sure there are, there are multitudes to them. They're a

671
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: little bit of a different flavor, but you know it's

672
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 1: kind of not that different from going to a Maggie

673
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 1: Rodgers concert. Right, Well, I take offense to that, but yeah, okay,

674
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: we can get into that. You know why, I just don't.

675
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: Maggie Rodgers is a nice person, but like I have ears,

676
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: like I know that I'm being lied to, Like you, bitch,

677
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 1: Have you seen Maggie Rogers in concert. No, she's She's

678
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: a sensational performer. I will say, I will think she's

679
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: got bobs. I think that she's on hits, baby all right. No,

680
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: I think it's beautiful that you feel free to be

681
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: a hater. No, I don't, because I genuinely have like

682
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 1: I like her and wish for the best, but sometimes

683
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: you have to put your foot down. Well I think

684
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: in time, maybe you'll forge Well you know what, I think.

685
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: I do think this is gonna be maybe be like

686
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: how you, as everyone knows, forgave him, because at first

687
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: you're mad at them when they first came out, and

688
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: then you forgave them. So this is this is my

689
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: challenge to myself. I'm going to really really commit to

690
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: Maggie Rodgers music, and I'm gonna decide whether or not

691
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to forget her. I think that's so nice.

692
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: I think you can do it. Yeah, okay, I have

693
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: actually a really intelligent point to make, actually that I

694
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: think there's actually okay, get ready m hm. I feel

695
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 1: like there are solo performance that are clearing the concept

696
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: of a band by having a name that sounds like

697
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: a band, but they are solo performance and specifically thinking

698
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: of Florence in the Machine and Marina and the Diamonds,

699
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 1: and I actually think that's like one of the most

700
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: iconic things you can do is just be like, I'm

701
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: my name is like, my name is literally the Ramons,

702
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: but I'm one guy. I mean, I'll also say Christina

703
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: the Queen's Christina the Queens. Of course, of course you

704
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: can forget. And also years and years, years and years,

705
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: years and years began as a band, Okay, that's what

706
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: I was like, Wait, they were a band, right, and

707
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: but I believe it, and that was just all just

708
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: Ali still goes by years and years. Even this is

709
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: obviously a little different, but even Grimes sounds like I

710
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: was gonna say Grimes as bands for gay people. Yeah, well,

711
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: this is another thing in terms of the evolution of

712
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: bands like Okay, I actually I have a lot of

713
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: say it's basically that, like, at some point electronic devices

714
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: were introduced into bands, and so now you go see

715
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: a band and it's just known that one of them

716
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: is going to be pressing fake buttons and that kind

717
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: of changes what the cons of the rock band? How

718
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: do we feel about that? I guess I'm confused at

719
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: the end point. So you're saying, like, now that there

720
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 1: are fake buttons to be pressed, like, it's hard to

721
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: unders like take bands as legitimate. It has no not that,

722
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: it's just like it has I do think that makes

723
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: it less straight less uh less the Ramones less Dave

724
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 1: Matthews band. Like if you go see Tam and Paula

725
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: and basically it's someone pricing beat boop beat boop while

726
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: someone else kind of plays guitar. Is that closer to

727
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: grinds than the Remones? Is boop gay or straight gay? Yeah? Okay, wait, okay,

728
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: I kind of I'm like, Okay, the beat boop, the

729
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: more beat boop you have, the less straight you are are.

730
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: They essentially just DJs doing a set at the same time. Well,

731
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: it's like one member of the band as a DJ

732
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,959
Speaker 1: um Okay, so we know we just much that gay

733
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: people are used with one person. Well we gave people

734
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: need one person to be to stand to put their

735
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: focus on. Is the opposite true where straight people can't

736
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: get into it if it's one person. They need a

737
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: band because like it's too personal if it's one person

738
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, they're afraid of the intimacy. I think.

739
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: So there's also something that's that's just so like masculine

740
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: about the word band. And I feel like, I don't know,

741
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: I can't remember as a kid, other children saying you

742
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: know who, who's who's your favorite singer? Who's your favorite?

743
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: I mean, there is of course something that's complicating all

744
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: of this, but that is pop bands. It's like girl

745
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: bands and boy bands. Well sure, and interesting that it's

746
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: boy band and it's girl group. Very interesting. Why is

747
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: that that's that's that's something i'd like to without researching,

748
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: all right, why is that sort of Mike drop without Yeah,

749
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: I mean it's so exclusionary. Girls can't even be in

750
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: a band if they're literally in a band. Well, it

751
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: fels like what is a band at this point now,

752
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't consider a boy band band. They're

753
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: just called boy bands. Yeah, yeah, because you wouldn't I

754
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't call a band, you know, like like if it's

755
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: a group, if it's a group just singing not playing it,

756
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: So they have to be instruments, I guess. So. So,

757
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: so is it that girl groups should be called bands

758
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: or that boy bands should not be called band, should

759
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: not be called boy band, should be called boy groups?

760
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: All right, well we saw that, So that's so that's

761
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: actually a great technicality. So girl groups and boy groups

762
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: don't count, and they're kind of in this limited space. Yeah,

763
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: well they're they're kind of halfway between a solo artist

764
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 1: and a band. And also interesting that Harry Styles left

765
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: one direction and now as a solo artist, but his

766
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: concerts now feel more like a band concert. He's pretending.

767
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: He's pretending he didn't understand that boy band was not

768
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: like real, it was technicality. He's generally it's like very confused,

769
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: and every it's like every day he announces I'm still confused,

770
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: and people are like, slay. This conversation is kind of insane,

771
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: I know, and I feel like why am I trying

772
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: to make like I feel like we're being like so stupid.

773
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: I know, we're not making any points. It's like I

774
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: feel like I'm attempting to deconstruct something, but then I'm

775
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: only adding more layers of artifice. I'm like, okay, wait,

776
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: like what do I think someone tell me how to feel? Um? Okay, wait,

777
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: here's my theory. Let's if this is another not point.

778
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: Um okay. In the past, let's say the seventies, let's

779
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: start there, bands were necessary because you had to we

780
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: didn't have the same technology, and to play music you

781
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: had to have a band. Okay, correct, And so now

782
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: we're at a point we're so technologically advanced as a

783
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 1: society that bands are optional. You can just like sort

784
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: of hit a track on a computer and sort of

785
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: like perform your life away and and crush and feel real.

786
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: Bands are optional, And so when you choose to be

787
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 1: a band, you were choosing the aesthetic of authenticity, which

788
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: is something that straight people crave. And I feel like

789
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: gay people don't need it to feel authentic for it

790
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: to feel real. And so that's why pop girls can

791
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: be stupid and we can still be like, no, I

792
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: love that. I think that's genius. It makes me also

793
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: think what do we think about wedding bands? Because to

794
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: me because to me, it also feels like straight weddings.

795
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: I go to, like it seems to really love a

796
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: live band, and I actually have not been too many

797
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: gay weddings, but it does feel like my friends would

798
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: be annoyed at a live band instead of just future

799
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: and nostalgia. Yeah, start to finish. First of all, first

800
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: of all, an incredible yes, and for for Sam to

801
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: give a history of bands, and then for your response

802
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: to be so what about wedding bands? You were literally like,

803
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna ignore that. The second of all, I

804
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: do think I like the idea of in the same

805
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: way that straight peo will have bands at their weddings,

806
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: like gay men having like a wedding pop girlly, like

807
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: someone whose job it is to be a pop girlly

808
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 1: at weddings. Like she's not famous, she's not like she's

809
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: you know, she's like, but she has like a pop

810
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: girly name and she goes around to weddings doing like

811
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: bad pop songs. And I mean, like we stand Carla, Yeah, Carla,

812
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: are you getting Carla for your weddings? She's expensive, but

813
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: she's worth it. She's worth it. I mean that actually

814
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: is what we need, Like we don't need a live

815
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: and we need a live pop girly. She would do Dulia,

816
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: she would do Gaga and she would sell it and

817
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 1: you'd believe it. But she wouldn't be either. She'd beat Carla. Yeah,

818
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 1: here's something I don't appreciate is a band then as

819
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: a joke, doing Britney Spears is toxic. I mean, this

820
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: is something I've come to, like have a really cynical

821
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: view of this where I'm like, every generation will think

822
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: this is cool and new for like five years, and

823
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: then we'll realize it's stupid. It'll go away, and then

824
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: ten years later it'll come back and being like, actually,

825
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: this pop song is really interesting when you play it

826
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: for real, and it's like, shut up and it's gonna

827
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: happen for the rest of our lives. Um, so I'm

828
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: just accepting it. And the band Carmen is going to

829
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: make a comeback. No, don't utter those words. The band,

830
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, to your points that are are we

831
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: in a phase right now where bands are just less

832
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: popular and I happen to be gay. Well, okay, like,

833
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: what are the popular bands other than him? We can't

834
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: think of anything? No, there are no I mean I'm

835
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: often looking at a Pitchfork list of, you know, the

836
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: best albums of the year, and I don't know what

837
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: any of these names are. Here are to me the

838
00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: two most famous bands Taman Paula and All Jay. I

839
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: don't think Tam and Pala is like gigantic? All J

840
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: is huge? Is All J a band? Are they not?

841
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,919
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've actually never listened Aled J. You'd

842
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: like them, Yeah, they're They're an English indie rock band

843
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: from the two thousand seven in leads Oh, shout out

844
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: to Leads, Out to leads and all our fans and leads.

845
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: But I definitely listened to a lot more bands when

846
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: I was in high school. Oh yeah, I mean now

847
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, I do listen to like I'm like, have

848
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: I just not realized that I no longer listen to bands. No,

849
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: let's see, I'm opening okay, Oh no, we we can't go. No.

850
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm just looking really quickly and honestly, there are no bands.

851
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: This is kind of crazy because even like they're still

852
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: indie music, like you would be like Mitsky, but that's

853
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: not a band. That's just a girl firmly not a

854
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: band for not a band. Um like all these people.

855
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: It's like, is snail Mail a band or is it

856
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: just no snail Mail? Again, another great example of someone

857
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: with a band name who is a solo artist. Same

858
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: with like even the Perfume Genius like could be in

859
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: but literally scrolling like my recent downloads, like nothing is

860
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: a band, not a single band. I do, like, for instance,

861
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: boy Genius, which is a superband consisting of three solo girls. Okay,

862
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: so it's kind of him in that way, I do.

863
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: I genuinely liked Tim and Paula, and I've seen them

864
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:41,280
Speaker 1: live several times. Whenever whenever, whenever it's it's it's three women.

865
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: It is a hime. Yeah it's not. It's like First

866
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: Wives Club, it's just nineties Yeah, three l W t LC.

867
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I we're gonna get hate mail for this one.

868
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: What do you think? So for this? I mean, I

869
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: just want to say, like I like, I mean, I

870
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: still listen to older like I still listen to like

871
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: radio Head occasionally, like I listen to bands I listened

872
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: to in high school. Sale, But I'm just trying to

873
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: like kind of like in terms of new people, what

874
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: was the last new or Like I like Beach House,

875
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,439
Speaker 1: I like you know those kinds of that's a band,

876
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 1: I guess. And I celebrate music and I celebrate people

877
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: celebrating music, but I just don't think of music through bands.

878
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: I have a question, do you think Arcade Fire killed bands?

879
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:41,959
Speaker 1: It was like, that's too many people. I don't think

880
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: Arcade by our killed bands. I kind of do. I

881
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: actually like, this is my I stand by this. I

882
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: think I think it was like we flew too close

883
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: to the sun. There should not have been that many

884
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,959
Speaker 1: people playing back to the weird instruments all at once

885
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: on the Saturday Night Live stage, and then after that

886
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: people were like, yeah, we need a break from this

887
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: for a while, Like let's you know, I think Dualipa,

888
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: we'll do it for now. I also when you know,

889
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: it's um dark that I can never not think about.

890
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: When I'm like watching Arcade Fire on SNL, I'm like,

891
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,479
Speaker 1: do you wanna get paid the same amount? Like they don't.

892
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 1: They don't, and that seems so fucked up. I'm like,

893
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: it's also like when you when Dualipa is up there

894
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: with background singers, they also don't get paid as much

895
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: as her, but they're not saying I'm part of Dualipa.

896
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 1: They're saying, I'm a background singer for Dualipa. Like, if

897
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm a member of Arcade Fire, do you

898
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: think LinkedIn it says works at Dualipa on the background singers. No,

899
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,760
Speaker 1: I think it's as like works at dancers worldwide, works

900
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: at singing, self employed at singing singing? Is Carla at

901
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: your wedding? I'm sorry, I'm gonna I'm literally looking up

902
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 1: twenty tens bands. Okay, I mean twenty tons an incredible

903
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: year for bands. Bands were at the top of their Yeah,

904
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: but I'm like, what are you know, new bands? Yeah? See,

905
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: it's like but these are all yeah exactly, it's like

906
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: things of Leon his classic, like, well this is the

907
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: end of bands. Well thats a Leon could only come

908
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 1: at the end of bands. Same with like I'm looking

909
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: here like Mumford and Sons could only come at the

910
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: end of bands. Oh that was rough. Yeah, there's like

911
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: there's still plenty of bands, they're just smaller. You know.

912
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: Here's a band. Here's a band that I would say

913
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: I got into while they were new, is like Alabama Shakes.

914
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: But then it's like, yeah, but that's kind of a

915
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: solo artist right right, and yeah, and a queer solo

916
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,439
Speaker 1: art and a queer solo artist and actually a pop

917
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: Curly's Yeah. I mean it quickly went from being I

918
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: love Alabama Shakes, Britney Howard, Brittany Howard slaid at the

919
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: Kennedy Center Honors Joni Mitchell. Yeah, yeah, I mean the

920
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: one band I can think of that made a splash

921
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: recently was so there in my head as one. But

922
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: they're one where I'm like, that's one that gay guys

923
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: will say they like, and I'm in a way where

924
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: I'm like yourself hating also likes. I don't know if

925
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 1: that counts as a band though, Yeah, I mean, like

926
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 1: they are two people, but maybe it's it's too beat

927
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: book to be a band, it's to be poop um.

928
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: I also feel that Coachella has become a gayer event,

929
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 1: and also it has become more dominated by solo artists

930
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 1: than totally yeah wait, seeing as many you know, big

931
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: font Yeah, the band Turnstyle I actually got into as

932
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: a band recently. Does Walks a Hotchie count as a

933
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: band or is that just one? I think that's just

934
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: her keeping so hard. Walks the Hot is an American

935
00:56:55,239 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: indie music project. M M. I don't know that's saying

936
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,240
Speaker 1: it's just her, but don't lump us in with Leon

937
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: to remember covered sex on Fire that also killed bands?

938
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: Sex on Fire? Have you seen that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah,

939
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: do you remember? I think Kings of Leon did kill

940
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: bands because that was the point where people were like

941
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: I remember like people being like, no, they're like the

942
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: greatest American rock and they like they're really doing the

943
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: real music thing. And then you heard it and you

944
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: were like, this is what you like think is the

945
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: greatest music on earth fare but but has a counterpoint,

946
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: sex on Fire is a great song. Yeah. So I

947
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: guess Kings of Leon and Arcade Fire killed bands. I also,

948
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: I also really hate when the Grammys, uh say that

949
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: the best New artist is a band. I'm like, I

950
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: don't singular. Yeah, okay, wait I know another band that

951
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: killed bands? What imagine Dragon's Oh yeah, that might be

952
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: the biggest one. That to me was like, oh music

953
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: is dead, Like music is actually dying and dead bury it.

954
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: I mean it's funny because no one can actually do

955
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: that for pop divas. No one can be so bad

956
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: that they kill it. I mean, certainly people have tried

957
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: but somehow they are salvaged from the rubble. No one,

958
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: no pop star will ever have the reputation of Imagine Dragons. Right,

959
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: maybe Camillicabayo imagine Imagine Dragon. Yeah, the solo breakout. Has

960
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: this been a fruitful conversation, Matt? What do you think?

961
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: I mean? It's sort of the way my mind just

962
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: goes it. Certainly has been a conversation. Yeah, you can't

963
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,919
Speaker 1: deny that words were said. Um, thank you for coming

964
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: to office hours, Matt. I hope I flirted good. Yeah,

965
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: I think you've seduced both of us and you might

966
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: find those extra the dubs on log into the student

967
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: portal later tonight. Are you excited for to see him?

968
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: We're very excited to see him. That we do have

969
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: one issue, which is that we have one more ticket

970
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: we have to sell, to sell one for too much money.

971
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,439
Speaker 1: But if anyone wants to sit next to us at HIME,

972
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: which at this point will have taken two weeks, taking

973
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: place two weeks before you hear this episode, please But yeah,

974
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see how I'm excited to tell them

975
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: that I forgive them and I think they'll be able

976
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: to put on a really good show when when they

977
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: know that the pressure is off, and I'm honestly excited

978
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: to reunite with them. The last time I saw them

979
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: was almost a decade ago. It was when they were

980
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: touring their first album. I've never I've never seen him left.

981
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: They're great. I mean, actually they're still good. I had

982
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: a whole reason I don't like them is because I

983
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: saw them live and I had a really bad time. Yeah,

984
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,479
Speaker 1: Sam had a bad time. I had a good time.

985
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: I really hope they haven't let the fame get to them.

986
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm happy for them that they're like wearing

987
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: well INTIAGA, but I'm also like, remember your roots. I

988
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: feel like the fame will never get to Danielle. Is

989
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: that I get? I don't know. She seems really like

990
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: hard on herself. Yeah, just like a very focused worker.

991
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: She's a very focused worker. She's dating or maybe engaged

992
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: to one of the producers of their songs. I do

993
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: wonder what will what ST's future looks like. Yeah, she's

994
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: the real wild card. I love her, by the way,

995
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: and I love that she makes that stupid face when

996
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: she plays the bass. It's the basse Caste is great.

997
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: There's there was one. Um. I think it was like

998
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: a tiny desk from home. Yes, pandemic and Steve really

999
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: doesn't do anything She's it might just have been the

1000
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: one particular song, but Danielle and Alana are really like

1001
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: working double duty. Yeah, well, it's difficult to do to

1002
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: play the bass in an acoustic tiny desk performance. I

1003
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: say that knowing not a lot about music. But they're

1004
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: doing stripped down versions and it's like, well, yeah, her

1005
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: job is to play the bass. What do you want

1006
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: from her? Which time? Girl? Is each of us? I

1007
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: have been avoiding that question all episode, and I'm glad

1008
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: that you finally made us confront it. Yeah, no, we

1009
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: need to be bolder. And I mean I hate to

1010
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: say it, I do think not. I actually don't hate

1011
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: to say it. I'm proud to say this out loud.

1012
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: I think Matt is Danielle. Wow, so you're saying I'm

1013
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 1: hard on myself and dating one of the producers. Yeah,

1014
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: and I think you're you're hard working and respectable while

1015
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: remaining cool. Thank you? And I yeah, what do you think?

1016
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: I might be? Sty And I'm Alana, Well, go me.

1017
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: I feel like I have the most promising career of

1018
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: all Right, now, well, I put on I do podcasting face,

1019
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: I like make too many faces as I'm do you

1020
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 1: think you are? St in the sense of, she is

1021
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: certainly the most silly one. Sure, yeah, drag me. Yeah,

1022
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: and I'm kind of a lot of in the sense that,

1023
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: like she pretends she is like a cool girl, but

1024
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: it actually she's the most calculating one of all, you

1025
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: know what I mean, I think I do. Yeah, it's

1026
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: interesting that st kind of in some ways feels like

1027
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: the youngest one. Alanna also feels like the youngest one.

1028
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: But I don't know for the for the oldest sister

1029
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: to be kind of like the ham of the group. Yeah,

1030
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: you're right, Well, Danielle has the oldest energy. I always

1031
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: thought Danielle was the oldest. Is the oldest. Also, st

1032
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 1: has a degree in ethno musicology from u c l A. Okay,

1033
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 1: so next time you're making fun of her for making

1034
01:02:55,880 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: basse face, remember she's literally an academic. A um, well,

1035
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: I think we did it. Yeah yeah, sorry. Like to

1036
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: any music fans, I know, I like this isn't this

1037
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: is an episode where like people that like music and

1038
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: bands will be just like annoyed. And by the way,

1039
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: we like music and bands. Honestly, I would love to

1040
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 1: know the bands that your listeners like, Yeah, I do,

1041
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: should be listening to them, right. I do maintain that

1042
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: like the bands I let's doing in high school are

1043
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: actually better than most bands starting out right now. But

1044
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: I'm willing to be proven wrong by any huge stands

1045
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 1: of the UM. Okay, well, I say, let's do our

1046
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: final segment. Yeah, I agree. Our final segments called shoutouts,

1047
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: and in it we give a shout out to anything

1048
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: that we enjoy at all, sort of in the style

1049
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: of t r L. It's two thousand one and you're

1050
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: shouting out to your squad back home. I actually think

1051
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: I have one UM, sort of about our conversation. Love it, um,

1052
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: but it has a lot of parts to it. Um,

1053
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: what's up everyone around the globe? Yes? You you, and

1054
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: you too too too. I would like to give a

1055
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 1: huge shout out to everyone. Upset? Everyone upset? I say,

1056
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I say, I say you know. Of course,

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01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: I know that bands exist, and I'm not just gonna

1058
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: name random bands, and I know that they have queer

1059
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: members sometimes, and that they are multifaceted and beautiful and

1060
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: maybe even better than my favorite band. Charlie xc X.

1061
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: But I know you exist, and I see you and

1062
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 1: I hear you, and sometimes you know Lena Dunham meme

1063
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 1: my words are from a delusional girl. I don't mean them.

1064
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: Uh and and double shout out to Yeah, I'm fucking

1065
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: lame now. I like Arcade Fire. I listened to the

1066
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: Arcade Fire album while walking through NY City from a

1067
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 1: fab to first ab and oh the sun was setting.

1068
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 1: It was a little hazy, and I just got into

1069
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: a damn mood and I said, this is great and

1070
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: I'm having fun. Guess what, I'm not bleeding it anymore.

1071
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 1: I'm actually normal and I um pay taxes now. So

1072
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: if that's not cool and punk rock, then maybe you

1073
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 1: need to change your standards. And I guess what, You'll

1074
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: be me one day You'll be me. One day you

1075
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: were a cool drummer in n Y City, Brooklyn, two

1076
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 1: thousand twelves roughly, And now you pay taxes and listen

1077
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: to the Arcade Fire as you walk for me at

1078
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: the first avenue. Uh, death comes for us all x

1079
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: O x O, death, cab for duty comes for us. All. Okay, well,

1080
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: I guess I'll go. Let's have my best friends in

1081
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: the world and giving you a quick because I do

1082
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: this shout out, how it's your boy dor and I

1083
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: want to give a quick chat out to the expensive

1084
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: ergonomic desk chair that my new found domestic partner hasn't

1085
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: our new found apartment. That has opened my eyes to

1086
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: the fact that I have been sitting on an Ikea

1087
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: kitchen chair every day for eight hours for the past

1088
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: two and a half years. No, no, Now we're talking

1089
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: permanent damage to my neck. We're talking permanent damage to

1090
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: my back. We're talking posture that will never get better.

1091
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 1: We're talking I have shaved years off my life just

1092
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: because I was too lazy to order a nice ergonomic

1093
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: desk chair from the internet. And now I find myself

1094
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: in the place where the pressure is too much. Do

1095
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 1: I really invest in a two thousand dollar one? Do

1096
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,919
Speaker 1: I spend my entire yearly income on a chair just

1097
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 1: for the sake of not having back problems? Do I

1098
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: get a mid christ one, knowing that it might be

1099
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 1: even worse than sitting on an Ipa kitchen chair because

1100
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 1: it's made in a fake way. Or do I spend

1101
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: another three years paralyzed by indecision until I slowly kind

1102
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: of fold into myself and my bones crack and I perish.

1103
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 1: Stay tuned. Okay, Matt, whenever you're ready, I say, go

1104
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 1: the fuck off, bitch. Okay, what's up, you freaks of

1105
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: the north and to the south. I want to give

1106
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 1: a shout out to my favorite hydrating beverage, and that

1107
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:36,959
Speaker 1: is lime cucumber Gatorade. That's right, Gatorade is vegetables. Now.

1108
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 1: It sounds nasty, it tastes delicious. If you wanted a

1109
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 1: gatorade that tastes mature, this is not really that. It's

1110
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 1: still mostly the sugar and some salt. But it is

1111
01:07:55,920 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: better than red fruit punch nasks. It is better, I

1112
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: gotta say, than lemon lime. So if you are hungover,

1113
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 1: if you have COVID nineteen and you need some more

1114
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 1: hydration to get you through, go to the market. Get

1115
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: some cucumber lime Gatorade. Well existed. I had no idea

1116
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: they put cucumbers in gator right now. I used to

1117
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 1: have it in Los Angeles, but you could not get

1118
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 1: it in New York. And then I think, as I'm

1119
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: seeing it, oh my god, leave it to Los Angeles

1120
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 1: to innovate in that way. I guess it's technically yeah,

1121
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 1: that's literally medicine, cucumbers, cumbergator a second injuries. I mean,

1122
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna get it. Honestly, I'm get it

1123
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: two days since I am, as we've already mentioned, hungover,

1124
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 1: and it is in fact three pm. I love a

1125
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:57,640
Speaker 1: lemon line, So the fact that that's even being elevated

1126
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 1: is so interesting. And it is elevation. To go from

1127
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 1: lemon lime to cucumber lime is is elevation. Well, it's like, yeah,

1128
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 1: lemon lime, it's like, yeah, you're a child. You mommy

1129
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: drives you to school every night. But cucumber line is like, oh,

1130
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 1: you're a full adult. Right. Also, can I say something

1131
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 1: like not to kind of crack this case wide open,

1132
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: but it's like, why are you pairing lemon with lime?

1133
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,640
Speaker 1: You only need one who is who is making a

1134
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 1: drink and putt a wedge of lemon and a wedge

1135
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 1: of lime in it. It's sort of like toxic tradition.

1136
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 1: You just do it, and it's like, no, pick one,

1137
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 1: Let each of them shine on their own, right. I

1138
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: have lemon gearing, I not have lime gear. I completely

1139
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 1: agree that it's a it's a citrus band and we

1140
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 1: want solo artists. Yeah. Yeah, they're kind of like stand

1141
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 1: both of them. They're like Chloe and Halle, but um

1142
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 1: now Hallie has struck out with Cucumber in Disney's a

1143
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 1: Little Burmaid. Yes, oh, actually that's my favorite band. Chloe

1144
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 1: and Halley is my favorite band. That's a good band.

1145
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:01,679
Speaker 1: That's a really good band. Actually, well, music kids rejoice.

1146
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 1: What's up? Matt? I feel like you're you're you're scared

1147
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,759
Speaker 1: for for this episode. You are very scared of music heads.

1148
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: They were my community once, right, I just know how

1149
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 1: they're gonna I know how they're gonna see this. Also,

1150
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 1: I was coming for your community. Yeah, listen to someone

1151
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: who once drove seven hours and got a speeding ticket

1152
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: to go to music festival in Washington State. I'm part

1153
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: of that community. And yeah I saw d answer there

1154
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 1: any questions, Oh wow, classic, Well I guess this is

1155
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: our episode. Yeah, Matt, thank you for coming on and

1156
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 1: honestly think that you're actually changing, Like it has made

1157
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 1: me rethink bands. I mean I do think this, Like

1158
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: we joked about it, but I do think we changed

1159
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: the global conversation. Yeah, so if you want to bring

1160
01:10:56,000 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: bands back, like start locally. Yeah, this doesn't something that's

1161
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: going to happen in the presidential election. Well, see you

1162
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 1: at him. We'll see you at him. Okay, bye bye