Speaker 1: Good morning.
Speaker 2: This is Jean.
Speaker 3: It's five point thirty and the morning I just woke
Speaker 3: up and I am getting ready to go out and
Speaker 3: make some coffee, spend an hour either you know, catching
Speaker 3: up on the news for the day or coming into
Speaker 3: my office and doing a little bit of work. And
Speaker 3: then Mike gets up at six point thirty and we
Speaker 3: light our candles in the living room. It's very dark
Speaker 3: here in Minneapolis when we get up and we light
Speaker 3: our candles and talk and have coffee, and then we
Speaker 3: meditate together.
Speaker 4: This is finally a show about an eighty three year
Speaker 4: old pin up. Jeane Ketchum lives in Minnesota and is
Speaker 4: the co founder of Aging But Dangerous.
Speaker 2: There's no age limit on living your best life. Jane Ketcham,
Speaker 2: founder of Aging but Dangerous.
Speaker 5: Joins us happy to have our next guest on the show.
Speaker 5: Her name is Jeane Ketchum, co founder of Aging but Dangerous.
Speaker 2: Aging the Dangerous is an organization of women that share stories,
Speaker 2: that do things together and during covid became an online
Speaker 2: business here in Minneapolis, and we just try to get information.
Speaker 2: It's very important to get information to women and talk
Speaker 2: about things that are taboo, you know, like fecal incontinence.
Speaker 2: Fifteen years ago women, it was totally different than women today.
Speaker 2: At fifty years old. Fifteen years ago women they're empty
Speaker 2: nesters because they were having babies earlier than they do now,
Speaker 2: and so they were just traumatized about turning fifty. Susanna
Speaker 2: and I I was sixty nine. Suzanne she was sixty one,
Speaker 2: and she and I both have been really movers and shakers,
Speaker 2: so I mean, they just didn't want to do anything.
Speaker 2: She and I decided that we were going to just
Speaker 2: get them out off the sofa and doing things, and
Speaker 2: that's what we did, and we just have We affected
Speaker 2: huge amounts of people. We started out with the big
Speaker 2: fashion show, dispelling the myths of fashion. Back then, they
Speaker 2: were writing all these books and all these articles on
Speaker 2: women and how you should wear your skirt a certain
Speaker 2: length and you should wear a certain pink lipstick. And
Speaker 2: I just went crazy. So we did that. We had
Speaker 2: five hundred women. I mean, it was like so successful,
Speaker 2: so fabulous. And then after that we did Martini Skydive,
Speaker 2: which I'm skydiver, and I skydived at sixty with my
Speaker 2: ninety one year old dad. And then Suzanne said, okay,
Speaker 2: you got a skydive again, and I said, you know,
Speaker 2: so we can get people. And I said, I am
Speaker 2: not going to do it. Just for aging, but dangerous.
Speaker 2: But then one morning I got up one night and
Speaker 2: I got on the internet and I saw this seventy
Speaker 2: year old woman jumping out of a plane and it
Speaker 2: showed her going to and I'm like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: my heart started pounding, and I thought, so I called
Speaker 2: Suzanna about four o'clock in the morning, I said, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm going to do it. Well, I am not kidding.
Speaker 2: There were We got one hundred and seven women all
Speaker 2: jumping out of an airplane from eight o'clock in the
Speaker 2: morning to eight o'clock at night. One hundred and seven.
Speaker 2: I went on a TV. I went on one of
Speaker 2: the local TV stations on Saturday morning, and I came
Speaker 2: home and I swear to you, and this is so true.
Speaker 2: I had one hundred email from women that want to skydive.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm tired of looking at that picture, the.
Speaker 2: Picture in the Star Tribune Variety section with me and
Speaker 2: nude eight by eight picture on the front page of
Speaker 2: Variety in the Star Tribute of Minneapolis. Let's say I
Speaker 2: don't get mortified or anything, but I do get a
Speaker 2: little I am a little uncomfortable with that.
Speaker 4: All right, do we have a calendar?
Speaker 1: I eat a calendar. I don't see it.
Speaker 2: Mary.
Speaker 1: Let me just show it to you.
Speaker 2: This is our tastefully nude calendar. I really want people
Speaker 2: to see the purpose of this calendar and what it
Speaker 2: stands for. This is having fun. This is showing your
Speaker 2: spirit and style. It's women being authentic and being themselves.
Speaker 2: Of course, I always say it's not about the body,
Speaker 2: it's about the attitude. Well, this picture is I'm leaning
Speaker 2: on a bar and I've got cocktail bar like you know,
Speaker 2: with a drape behind me, and then I've got this
Speaker 2: really oversized martini class. I love martinis and this is
Speaker 2: such a great prop. I've got my big honk and
Speaker 2: huge martini glass, and then I've got my jewelry because
Speaker 2: i love jewelry, and I'm leaning on the bar. My
Speaker 2: arm is across my boobs, but you can still kind
Speaker 2: of see the boob. You can see the top of
Speaker 2: the boobs, and my little, you know, fat back is
Speaker 2: in the back.
Speaker 1: That's me.
Speaker 2: I love aging. Being in my eighties is so much fun.
Speaker 2: Meeting new people and learning new things. I'm going to
Speaker 2: make it until i'm a hundred because I have people
Speaker 2: to meet and things to do. You know, Face got
Speaker 2: stage four colon cancer and she's really doing well. And
Speaker 2: I really she's the only one I had to really
Speaker 2: convince to be in the calendar, because she said, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't feel like I just you know,
Speaker 2: getting like you know, things are just happening. And I said, Faye,
Speaker 2: she's always been very feisty. And I said, you know,
Speaker 2: and I've known her a long time, and I said, Fae,
Speaker 2: you have this is going to be such a good
Speaker 2: legacy for your family. She's got a daughter, she's got granddaughters,
Speaker 2: she's got great granddaughters. And so she came that morning.
Speaker 2: She was feeling really good, and when we had the
Speaker 2: shoot and she she just looked fabulous and she's so
Speaker 2: glad she did it now, and this is Gail, she is.
Speaker 2: She wrote the most fabulous piece. She said, Hygiene, I
Speaker 2: saw that you intend to create a tastefully new calendar.
Speaker 2: And for reasons I cannot explain, I think I would
Speaker 2: like to be considered as one of the women. I've
Speaker 2: never considered myself a beautiful woman, but that's the point.
Speaker 2: You can feel beautiful in your skin despite cultural pressures.
Speaker 2: So here I am at sixty four cellu light dancing
Speaker 2: on my thighs, skin stretched to remind me of the
Speaker 2: babies once cradled within, thinking, of course, I want to
Speaker 2: show people that beauty isn't necessarily a look, but an attitude.
Speaker 2: Gives me cold chills every time I read that. So here,
Speaker 2: she is this beautiful little thing. You can just see
Speaker 2: her spirit in this picture. She's sitting on the floor,
Speaker 2: her legs are crossed, her arm is across her boobs,
Speaker 2: and she's listening to some music and looking up at
Speaker 2: the sky. I mean, she's just so such a beautiful
Speaker 2: soul and always come.
Speaker 1: In a light my little candle.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, okay wait, I got to get my clips
Speaker 2: I use for moisturizer. I just used this nut Regina
Speaker 2: Invisible Daily Defense for thirty. It goes really well under
Speaker 2: this makeup. You have to be kind of careful to
Speaker 2: not get fun thing with silicon in well. I grew
Speaker 2: up in a small town in Kansas. Went for Kansas
Speaker 2: and my dad delivered bread in that town. My mother,
Speaker 2: as you can imagine, was not very happy about me
Speaker 2: coming because my brother is eleven months apart. I mean,
Speaker 2: so that means she got pregnant like what two months
Speaker 2: or a month after.
Speaker 1: My brother was born.
Speaker 2: I mean it was like so she was not happy
Speaker 2: and I was not her favorite child. I I knew
Speaker 2: at a very early age, at nine years old, in
Speaker 2: third grade, that my mother was not going to be
Speaker 2: able to take care of me emotionally. And I knew
Speaker 2: I just had to be strong. And I started my
Speaker 2: period in third grade because I'd had an appendectomy and
Speaker 2: the doctor said that it was you know, i'd probably
Speaker 2: start my period early. So I'm sitting on the stool
Speaker 2: and this blo's coming out and yell to my mother,
Speaker 2: come here.
Speaker 1: She saw it.
Speaker 2: She went screaming out of the house over across the
Speaker 2: street to her sister, Maxine. Maxine, come here, come here,
Speaker 2: you know. And so they find and I'm sitting there
Speaker 2: on the stool and I'm thinking, good lord.
Speaker 1: I don't remember.
Speaker 2: I don't ever remember being upset with my mother or
Speaker 2: but I would lose my patience with her, you know
Speaker 2: a lot of times. But I thought, where's the kotex?
Speaker 2: I know it's a tr us the bathroom to the
Speaker 2: and that was a big bathroom. But if I go
Speaker 2: over there and get the cotext, so I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: dripping blood everywhere. So you know, I'm just gonna sit
Speaker 2: here until she comes back. So they came back and
Speaker 2: they're saying, they're wringing their hands. They said, mother, would
Speaker 2: you please go get the cotext. So she's got the
Speaker 2: cotext and everything. But that incident, and I know that
Speaker 2: sounds weird, but that one incident made me realize that,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm in this alone because I didn't talk
Speaker 2: to my brother about stuff like that. I watch a
Speaker 2: lot of videos and makeup, and a lot of young
Speaker 2: women say, this is a cream makeup. No, no, a
Speaker 2: cream makeup. It does not go into the wrinkles and
Speaker 2: that's what makes it so good. And then I come
Speaker 2: along and say, a cream makeup is good because it
Speaker 2: does go into the wrinkles.
Speaker 1: So I say just the opposite.
Speaker 2: I just like, you know, I just I just get
Speaker 2: into a teaching mode. I don't know, I really I
Speaker 2: don't know why. I really don't know why that I
Speaker 2: think I have to help women age, you know, And
Speaker 2: that's the way I mean in high school, they would
Speaker 2: be lined up outside the house and I'd be down
Speaker 2: the base and mother would want them come in at
Speaker 2: a time to talk to me. I always have been
Speaker 2: like that, and it's just it just has developed more
Speaker 2: and more just helping women, helping women get over their
Speaker 2: you know, insecurities.
Speaker 1: I don't know where that came from, but.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to help my friend, and I just
Speaker 2: wanted to help women get out of their ruts. My
Speaker 2: whole living mantra, if you don't like the way your
Speaker 2: life's going, then do something about it. Life is so
Speaker 2: much fun when you are who you are and you're not.
Speaker 2: You don't have the don't have to use the energy
Speaker 2: to try to be something else or something that you're not,
Speaker 2: because that takes so much energy, and that's just I
Speaker 2: don't want to spend all that energy doing that. And
Speaker 2: then plus I have a husband that's so easy. That's
Speaker 2: not always you know, it doesn't always happen to women,
Speaker 2: but they still need to try to try to be
Speaker 2: their own person and not dress for their husband or
Speaker 2: do things for their husband that they don't want to do.
Speaker 2: In fact, I tell you I was one of my
Speaker 2: good friends. This is quite This is years ago. It's
Speaker 2: like fifty years ago, and she said she was so
Speaker 2: upset because she was a real caretaker for her husband
Speaker 2: and her kids were off, you know. But she said,
Speaker 2: if I have to match up one more pair of
Speaker 2: socks for him, I am going to start screaming. And
Speaker 2: I said, then, don't do it. And she said, well,
Speaker 2: I don't know how I cannot do it. And I said,
Speaker 2: you can just not do it. Tell him he can
Speaker 2: match up his own damn socks. You know, it's like this,
Speaker 2: don't do whatever, you you know. And then I was
Speaker 2: at Thanksgiving dinner with him one year and she worked
Speaker 2: so hard to get all this dinner on the table,
Speaker 2: and all be darn, we're sitting down there, and he
Speaker 2: looks up at her and he said, get me a
Speaker 2: you know, give me a glass of water. I looked
Speaker 2: over at him and I said, you get up and
Speaker 2: get your own damn water. She has worked all morning
Speaker 2: getting this Thanksgiving dinner together, and you can get your
Speaker 2: own water. And he looked over at me and just glared.
Speaker 2: And she just jumped up and went and got his water.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, see that, when you do things like that,
Speaker 2: that is what makes and I talk about women, of course,
Speaker 2: men probably the same. But that is what makes you
Speaker 2: a cranky old person when you start aging, because you
Speaker 2: have spent your life doing things that you don't want
Speaker 2: to do. So you just stop it and don't do
Speaker 2: it anymore. If you don't want to match socks, you
Speaker 2: don't match socks. It's as simple as that, all right.
Speaker 2: The most important thing I think is I use this
Speaker 2: mac color and plum to outline it. Really it makes
Speaker 2: a huge difference. It's makes your lips look fuller, and
Speaker 2: I really stress that. So it's back to that feeling
Speaker 2: good about yourself. It does take energy, but I find
Speaker 2: that the older I get, the more important it seems
Speaker 2: to me to get this out. That's why my next
Speaker 2: step is about vibrators. We are going to Smitt and Kitten,
Speaker 2: which is a sex shop here in Minneapolis, and it's
Speaker 2: the best one, and honestly, because I want to check
Speaker 2: out vibrators for women. I want to get one that's
Speaker 2: good for a beginner woman. But women don't know what
Speaker 2: to do. I've got to help them. It's like I
Speaker 2: have to help them with I don't have to help them.
Speaker 2: I want to help women as they're aging and just
Speaker 2: let them know it's okay. It's okay for that, you know,
Speaker 2: for it to be you know, to use a vibrator.
Speaker 2: And I want to go into the health part of vibrators,
Speaker 2: the health issues of vibrators. They help with urinary in continence,
Speaker 2: they help the pelvic floor, and plus they give you pleasure.
Speaker 2: And there it's a taboo subject. It's embarrassing. It's an
Speaker 2: embarrassing subject. We have our families and our kids and
Speaker 2: our husbands and all these people, but when it comes
Speaker 2: right down to it, it's up to you, kiddo. I've
Speaker 2: said these things for so many years that I really
Speaker 2: get tired of hearing myself talk. And I really do.
Speaker 2: And it's like, for some reason, it seems to be
Speaker 2: important for me to tell my message.
Speaker 1: Hello, thank you so much.
Speaker 6: My name is Dianna. I'm the store manager.
Speaker 2: Okay, I am going to go on stage. I'm writing
Speaker 2: a book and I'm going to be on stage speaking
Speaker 2: and I want to speak about vibrators. And so what
Speaker 2: I want to do is it's a topic that is
Speaker 2: still taboo, especially for older women, and so I want
Speaker 2: to try to get them more comfortable with the subject.
Speaker 2: And that.
Speaker 1: Is what I'm here about.
Speaker 2: Isn't it just terrible that it's still so taboo when
Speaker 2: it's just normal.
Speaker 6: I like to what analogy I like to use with
Speaker 6: someone that's visiting our shop and that's very nervous about
Speaker 6: shopping for vibrators.
Speaker 4: I like to compare it to.
Speaker 6: The massage chair at an al salon. It'll work out
Speaker 6: any kinks or any tension in the back. It will
Speaker 6: help you relax. And there's so many settings there are
Speaker 6: like base like settings like the thumping feature or something
Speaker 6: more more surface level, like just simple vibration, and the
Speaker 6: same thing. It applies for these types of products. It's
Speaker 6: just what setting do you respond to.
Speaker 2: Frankie and Grace they did a lot for the world
Speaker 2: by having that, you know, they developed their own vibrator
Speaker 2: and all that. I don't understand what the big fat
Speaker 2: ones are, and there's really big and fat are those?
Speaker 2: I mean what you don't put those inside of you?
Speaker 2: Do you?
Speaker 1: I mean you do? Some people like a penis.
Speaker 6: Some people like a really nice full feeling and the
Speaker 6: vaginal opening when aroused, it expands when you're old. It
Speaker 6: is a case by case basis and what the body
Speaker 6: responds to. But those larger ones, like there are some
Speaker 6: people that they like a fuller feeling to stretch out
Speaker 6: those muscles.
Speaker 2: I don't want to go that that much, but I
Speaker 2: wanted to ask you there are a lot of women
Speaker 2: that have never a lot of older women that have
Speaker 2: never experienced a orgasm. I still say climax. I say climax,
Speaker 2: and my friend said that is an old fashioned word.
Speaker 2: Nobody uses that anymore, so orgasm. But and I think
Speaker 2: that's so sad.
Speaker 6: There is an increase in older customers that come in look,
Speaker 6: and a trend that I'm seeing is definitely an increase
Speaker 6: in interest in external vibrators.
Speaker 2: All my friends, it's the external I think that's what
Speaker 2: everybody kind of want. I can't imagine and anybody wanting
Speaker 2: to stick anything inside of them.
Speaker 6: Now, well, let me show you a really great diagram.
Speaker 2: Love diagram. And they have all kinds of stuff back
Speaker 2: there that you know, if you're an broken hip, you know,
Speaker 2: they have a slant thing that you can lay on to. Still,
Speaker 2: I mean, they have all kinds of stuff. I just
Speaker 2: am so impressed. Well, you know, like, you know, just
Speaker 2: different things. Of course, they can't go into that, and
Speaker 2: they don't want sex games. I don't want to get
Speaker 2: into any of the hardcore stuff. You see things like
Speaker 2: it's like that rabbit. Everybody talks about the rabbit and
Speaker 2: I don't know what that what that does, but it
Speaker 2: seems complicated. I don't want anything complicated. See like these
Speaker 2: big knobby things. Does that win inside? I mean, is
Speaker 2: that supposed to be a penis?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Okay, so if you see here it's kind of color coded.
Speaker 2: My group just did a tastefully I just produced a
Speaker 2: tastefully nude calendar. Yeah, and I, oh, did you about that?
Speaker 2: And I always call this the vagina and one of
Speaker 2: my friends says it's not. I always say, we covered
Speaker 2: the vagina and the boobs, and she said, no, it's
Speaker 2: not a vagina.
Speaker 6: It's a the outside part what we see is called
Speaker 6: the vulva.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's what she said.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, vulva.
Speaker 2: I'll be darn all right, my darling show. It's some simple,
Speaker 2: easy outer stimulation vibrators.
Speaker 6: Okay. So here we have our internal stimulation shelf, and over.
Speaker 1: Here we have I think those are scary looking.
Speaker 6: This one here nice and slender. So vibrator just would
Speaker 6: be nothing. I mean it has different settings, different intensities.
Speaker 6: But you'll notice it's a very high frequency.
Speaker 1: Vibrator.
Speaker 6: So very buzzy is how we like to describe the sense.
Speaker 2: Get it to the strongest frequency.
Speaker 6: Sure, yeah, so this model in your hip pocket. Okay,
Speaker 6: so this is meant to be pressed up against the body.
Speaker 2: It has a nice Oh that's better. Yeah.
Speaker 6: So this one is going to be one of the
Speaker 6: more high end ones. It's the touch X by we
Speaker 6: Vibe And if you feel this one, you'll notice it
Speaker 6: has a nice amount of base to the vibration.
Speaker 2: Yeah but that's okay, So you just put this on
Speaker 2: the the body. Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, but it just seems to me
Speaker 2: like when you get older, you don't have quite the
Speaker 2: it's harder to stimulate. Yeah, that's why I think that
Speaker 2: they need a stronger one and a you know something
Speaker 2: like that that gets right on the point.
Speaker 1: Okay, keep hearing about that magic wand. What is that?
Speaker 6: Yes, magic Wand's right next to us.
Speaker 2: Actually, oh lord, oh see that is so scary it
Speaker 2: will oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh good heavens. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well I'm gonna take some pic. Let's pick out
Speaker 2: what you did?
Speaker 1: You are a doll?
Speaker 2: Can we take a picture? Yeah? Okay, thank you forgetting that,
Speaker 2: No problem.
Speaker 1: My granddaughters.
Speaker 2: Take a picture, Grandma.
Speaker 1: That's a very good job you did. That was like,
Speaker 1: maybe I would say you come on stage.
Speaker 4: Fr next week on Finally a show. Magic is real.
Speaker 4: It's hard. Dreams are hard because you fail. You know
Speaker 4: you fail.
Speaker 2: I fail every fucking day.
Speaker 5: I fail.
Speaker 4: But you got to learn how to feel and be
Speaker 4: okay with that.