1 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: It's now time for Cannabis Talk one oh one with Blue, 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: Joe Grande and Marking, Craig Wasserman, the Pot Brothers at Law. 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: We're the world's number one podcast for everything cannabis. Hello, 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: welcome to Cannabis Talk one oh one, the world's number 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: one source for everything cannabis. My name is Blue. Alongside 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: of me is the world famous Pot Brothers at Law, 7 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: Marking Craig Wasserman. Alongside of them is Mr Big Joe Grande. Oh, 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: I'm doing great. It's so wonderful to be out here 9 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: in beautiful Long Beach, California. 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Blue is at the number one. 19 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: Christopher writes, hello and I am at Joe Grande fifty two. 20 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: And as we are here, of course celebrating Veteran's Day, 21 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: we have from Veterans Canada Coalition. Eric, Go Paul Gopell, 22 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: Go pell. I mean I'm not that great, but go pell, Eric. 23 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us here. I want 24 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: to get the backstory, man, How do you start Veterans 25 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: Canada Coalition? Right? So, I'm an army veteran. I served 26 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: for seven years. Thank you for your service, of course, 27 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: of course, thank you. Uh and did two tours in 28 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: Iraq one of the Philippines, worked as a defense contractor 29 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan for a year. Ended up going back to 30 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: school Long Beach City College, transferred to Berkeley, all paid 31 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: for by the taxpayer. Thank you great. I was always 32 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: a fan of that right free education. And how did 33 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: that go for you though? Going to Berkeley's nice? I 34 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: mean do big school? Yeah, well, I mean they they 35 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: were well, they were lucky enough to take me. No, 36 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: that's not the right answer. I'm trying to do right 37 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: by the alma materity, you know, representing on annabis issues 38 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: and basically ended up in d C at the end 39 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: of my time in school. Uh. Intern legislative fellow in 40 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: the Senate. Finally ended up at the American Legion, where 41 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: I worked in national security policy before I decided that 42 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,959 Speaker 1: drug policy and specifically cannabis, I think, was where I 43 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: was going to make my biggest contribution. When did you 44 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: start getting into that? So that was about eighteen. UH 45 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: my co founder and I Bill Ferguson UH. He's also 46 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: in Iraq War veteran UH is an infant treatman who 47 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: served alongside Paul Rychoff, who happens to be also the 48 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: founder of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America. And Bill 49 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: was on one of the UH, let's say, several teams 50 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: of postline eleven veterans who were working legislative policy in 51 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: d c. UH. He helped get past the postline eleven 52 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 1: g I Bill, which is what put me through school, 53 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: as well as several other major pieces of legislation that's 54 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: you know now paid out tens of billions of dollars 55 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: in benefits to veterans. UH. And that experience that Bill 56 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: had basically paired with the fact that we're both cannabis 57 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,839 Speaker 1: patients as well. Right, We both have PETE TSD, both 58 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: have chronic pain, sleep issues. We were both using cannabis 59 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: to treat a variety of things, and Bill especially had 60 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: gone through the experience of going to the v A, 61 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: you know, getting the combat cocktail of pharmaceuticals at that time, opioids, benzos, UH, antipsychotics, antidepressants, 62 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: you know. End said's the whole you know, the whole kitchen, 63 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: the whole medicine cabinet. Literally literally, I've seen I've seen 64 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: pictures of you know, you know, many different patients pouring 65 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: out just all their means on our show that spread 66 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: all over to take different so you can see what 67 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: you can see the same pattern that I saw right 68 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: like this is this, you know, if you care to 69 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: pay attention, it is right in your face. And here's 70 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: some you know, some of the stats. Guy. A hundred 71 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: and twenty thousand veterans have died by suicide since two 72 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: thousand and one. Okay, that is fifty eight and sixty 73 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: five hundred every year for the last twenty years. While 74 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: the veteran the overall veteran popular ation has dropped by 75 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: six million, So we have one third fewer veterans than 76 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: we did twenty years ago. We have just as high 77 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: or close to as high of suicide count suicide rates 78 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: as we've ever had. And you know, the VA has 79 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: asked for two and seventy billion dollars this year. I'm 80 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: not saying that they don't need that money. I'm just 81 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: saying what we're doing right now isn't working. No, And 82 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: what veterans have found themselves, even though they're criminalized, even 83 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: though they're stigmatized for using cannabis, is that this has 84 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,799 Speaker 1: worked where nothing else has. And I think that's where 85 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 1: we've become such powerful messengers because it's a lot, you know, 86 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: the not lot you're gonna say to a combat but 87 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: I'm not don't include myself and that necessarily, Uh, you know, 88 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: a combat wounded veteran who is you know, had a 89 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: big a traumatic brain injury or you know, severe PTSD 90 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: or has been otherwise been struggling with mental and physical 91 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: health issues for years in some cases, decades in other cases, 92 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: and this is the only thing that ever really provided 93 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: them relief. And going back more for your story seven 94 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: years you said, correct, yes, and talk a little bit 95 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: about that. As you mentioned, you have your PTSD from 96 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: there and serving the tour. I mean, do you talk 97 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: about what you experience, can you share with us? Yeah, 98 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: you gotta be an advocate man, Like you know, part 99 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: of these stigmatizing this is being able to talk about 100 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: this without you know, fear or whatever judgment. Yeah, or 101 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: you were doing a job. I mean, well, I mean 102 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: and you know the reality is that military service, whether 103 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: you served in combat or not, is traumatizing. You do 104 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: not ever have to go to combat for the military 105 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: to find a way to funk you up, like my 106 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not gonna use a whole lot of 107 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: personal examples. I don't want to put them out there, 108 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: but essentially, you know, I have family members who have served, 109 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: you know, you know they've they've lost friends in training accidents, 110 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: for example, someone dying in your arms, whether it's combat 111 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: or whether they got killed because you know, someone sucked up. Uh, 112 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: Like that doesn't really matter, right. PTSD is PTSD. You 113 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: can get it from car crash. You know. You can 114 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: get your chronic pain from another You can get your 115 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: chronic pain running twelve miles a day, like they like 116 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: a lot of units force you to do. I agree, 117 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: there's so many different ways that happened. I agree. And 118 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: as we look at these things, and I agree with 119 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: that it doesn't matter what it is. It's just so 120 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: many people that get mistreated and misdiagnosed, as far as 121 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: so many pills and so much cannabis. And that's like 122 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: being not legal first off. Like if people are in 123 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: there in the military, now, I can't wait for the 124 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: point where okay, cool, they're done or they need it, 125 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: but they don't have any problem if you're out there fighting. 126 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: Here's some pills, right, like glorified normalized alcohol and tobacco 127 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: in the military booze. You know, alcohol associated deaths I 128 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: think are like ninety two thousand a year. You know, 129 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: tobacco associated death is nationally you know, five twenties, five 130 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: thousand somewhere in there. Like these are not These are 131 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: substances with pronounced public health issues that you know, as 132 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: much as the federal government has tried for the last 133 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: fifty years, they have never been able to pin a 134 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: single death on cannabis, not without trying, right, And I listen, 135 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: I'm an advocate, and I'm gonna say here, cannabis is 136 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: a silver bullet. It has risks, right, and I'm only 137 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: to kind of imagine some scenario where someone did die 138 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: from a cannabis associated issue. And yet even the government, 139 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: the Feds d A h h S doesn't matter, They 140 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: won't They still don't own that. Well, it goes back 141 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: to saying this, I mean you have to realize that again, 142 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: we live in the United States. There's no way that 143 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: any the United States would say it's medical marijuana or 144 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: medical cannabis if it was not did not have medicinal value. Right, 145 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: so we're just too you know, conservative, there's no way. 146 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: So we know that it's the dinosaurs and office but that. 147 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: But but right now we have a serious issue that 148 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: is not being you know, introduced into um, you know, insurance, 149 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: and it needs to be issued. It needs to be 150 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: issued to vets and and and create more opportunity like 151 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: we're doing now for veterans um if nothing else. I 152 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: mean that this is a beautiful thing that you know, 153 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: immersia catalysts and blacklist and ourselves cannabis talking on one 154 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: you being out here and all these beautiful people is 155 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: showing support and we're it in a message and so 156 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: you know, thank you for that and and we appreciate 157 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: you as well, um, you know, taking your stance in 158 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: in this world, in this planet, you know, well, I 159 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: mean and Luckily we live in a state, California that 160 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: has passed the law called SP thirty four. I think 161 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: you know. I'm also a member of the Los Angeles 162 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: Los Angeles a chapter of Normal. We love on that 163 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: board of directors, and I do Veterans affairs and that 164 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: capacity as well. And basically in the two hats of 165 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: Veterans Cannabis Coalition and Early Normal, I help you know 166 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: a lot of other nonprofits and member you know, licensed 167 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: operators within the supply chain create programs that provide consistent, uh, 168 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: compassionate donations and no cost of veteran patients. How has 169 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: sending Bill thirty four helped you? So? I mean it 170 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: provides legal pathway. So the industry has a way right now. Uh, 171 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: they will be excused certain taxes, use excise cultivation depending 172 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: on where you you know, which kind of operating license 173 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: you're using, and who's doing the donation. Uh. And basically 174 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: it gets to a retailer. The retailer verifies the doctor 175 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: recommendations and does everything you know that you know that 176 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: you normally do for any legal product sale. And instead 177 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: of selling it the patient, the patient gets it for free. 178 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: It's not unique to veterans. By any stretch. Obviously, my 179 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: focus is on veterans um However, you know this program, 180 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's being operated by you know, groups who 181 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: are can engage in compassion all across the street. Uh yeah, 182 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: you're good, You're good. I'm talking to me. Uh yeah, 183 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: And just shout out real quick to Wheat for Warriors projects, 184 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: who's doing a lot of that great work Operation Evac 185 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: you know. And speaking of Wheat for Warriors, you know, 186 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: and this is a shameless plug that I'm gonna give 187 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: Mark and Craig Washerman, because they've been you know, offering 188 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: and donating their legal services to the Week for Warriors 189 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: and now for several years. Right, yeah, we've we've helped 190 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: them out for quite quite a while. We hooked up 191 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: with Sean Karen and wonderful, wonderful man. Love Sean, such 192 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: a good dude, very passionate, and you know, right there 193 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: right there on the front lines in the middle of 194 00:09:55,320 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: navigating both sides of the business, the extreme business, this 195 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: world that he's able to tap into and all the 196 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: bullshit that the vets have suffered through and are still suffering. 197 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: You should be so simple for a vet to just 198 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: go get some fucking cannabis and to that and for 199 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: that to be the first option, for that to be 200 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: the first option, especially when they go to the doctors. Well, 201 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: let's come back from this break real quick and talk 202 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: about these options and help people can get ahold of 203 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: Eric Goppel from Veterans Canna Coalition. It's Cannabis Talk one 204 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: on one. Will be right back after this, Yes, we'll 205 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: be right back with Cannabis Talk one oh one. Welcome 206 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: back to Cannabis Talk one oh one. Welcome back to 207 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: Cannabis Talk one on one, all the way live in 208 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: Long Beach on Pine and fourth fifth six. I mean 209 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: they've got the whole place shut down. 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We've 219 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: got Eric Gopelle from Veterans Canna Coalition. Now, Eric, how 220 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: do people get in touch with you? And how can 221 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: we help you help all these veterans? Thank you? Uh 222 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 1: so yeah, www dot Veterans Canada c A N n 223 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: A Coalition. Dot org is our website. We're on all 224 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: the social media channels at Veterans Canna Coalition for the 225 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: most of them um. And then as far as how 226 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: everyone can help contribute, I mean, this is something going 227 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 1: back to SB thirty four. It's a real opportunity for 228 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: the industry to step up and to you know, work 229 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: with people who are working in the compassion space to 230 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: get product of patients because there's millions of dollars being 231 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,479 Speaker 1: destroy billions more being you know, left on the farms. 232 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: So if if I'm in a community somewhere and there's 233 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: a legal, licensed shop storefront, and I want them to 234 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: provide cannabis for vets in the area, what what would 235 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: I do? Where would I start? What would you recommend? Well, 236 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: I guess it would look to see if there are 237 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: any other compassion organs in the area, because I think 238 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: most retailers and operators are want to want to work 239 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: with an organization that they can you know, essentially lean 240 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: on to do certain functions of the program, which is 241 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: where you know, Los Angeles Normal Veterans Cannabis Coalition comes in. 242 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: But obviously we're not the only people in the space. 243 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: But that being said, but so somebody like that would 244 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: be directed to your organization. Well, I think expressing interests 245 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: into any retailers that you want to see SP thirty 246 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: four is always a good sign because I think that 247 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: sends a great signal that folks are paying attention. I 248 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: love that. And as you do this, I want you 249 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: to pat yourself on the back and tell and share 250 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: some stories that as you say, passion things. What are 251 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: some of the things that people should know that you 252 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: guys have? All Right? So yeah, for eighteen we helped 253 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: lobby on the Via Medicinal Cannabis Research Actment at first, 254 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: and it became which became the first cannabis bill to 255 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: ever pass a Congressional committee. I gotta part that really closely. Uh. 256 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: After that, we testified before Congress in twenty en right 257 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: on juneteenth, before the House Small Business Committee, UH, talking 258 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: about why we should end cannabis prohibition and what veterans 259 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: bring to the legal cannabis space. When you were being questioned, 260 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 1: was were there any you know whoever Congress who I 261 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: know I want to I want to taste. I wanna 262 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: you know, because we watch and we see some of 263 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: we see some of these guys, and I'm just curious 264 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: what were what was some of the what I what 265 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: I could only imagine was just bullshit. There was some grandstanding, 266 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: and there were some really left field questions. I think 267 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: the best one was from a gentleman from Tennessee who asked, 268 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: you know, basically made the comparison between cannabis and beer, 269 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: and I made and I made the comment that, well, 270 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: you know, children aren't using beer to manage their epilepsy, 271 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: right and that did he say anything in response? Yeah? 272 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: That was that was a little bit of an applause line. 273 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: Here hasn't helped anybody with cancer as far as I remember, 274 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: you know, seizures and all this other good stuff. That's 275 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 1: so true, and it's just so terrible that people use 276 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: this stigma out there still till this day. I believe 277 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: people are so blinded by it, right, like they still 278 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: have this propaganda behind it that, oh they're smoking weed there, this, 279 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: and that, when there's so much of a medicinal purpose 280 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: out there. How hard do you find it to be sometimes? 281 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: Or is it getting a little easier so to speak, 282 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: knowing that the veterans have been benefiting so much from this, 283 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: do you find that conversation being easier or just still 284 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: just as hard? Sometimes? It's still it can be just 285 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: as hard sometimes, And veterans of obviously, you know, I 286 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: think among patients have been one of the first and 287 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: largest groups to really step up on a consistent basis, 288 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: which you know, thank you for all veteran patients and 289 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: all patient advocates everywhere, because you know, we all stand 290 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: here kind of on the shoulder of giants who of 291 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: uh often died, you know, to bring us legal cannabis. Uh. 292 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: That being said, you know, I think you know, with 293 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: within that space as far as sorry, I lost a 294 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: merely lost the train of thought on that question, how 295 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: easier or hard is it to have that dialogue with 296 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: folks because of the propaganda, right, because it's getting easier, 297 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: you know, the because the world is starting to come 298 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: around and and now it's becoming you know, almost scary, 299 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: because there's so many new people coming in, so you 300 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: don't know, you know, how it's going to be picked up. 301 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: But right so with veterans, I think we can make 302 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: a big, you know, big big change in a lot 303 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: of cases because you know, it's we can present a 304 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: story that's really hard for people to like impeach us 305 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: on our personal experience and what we've been through. And 306 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people give veterans deference because 307 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: of that. But I would say that there are just 308 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: as many you know, children, you know with epilepsy or 309 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: you know grandma cancer, Uh quick. You know Oran Hatch former, 310 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: you know, senator from Utah, who was one of the 311 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: oldest I think at that time, the oldest member of 312 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: the Senate. Um he came around on medical research at 313 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: the very least because someone in his personal circle. From 314 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: my understanding, UM, you know, uh, it's dealt with cancer 315 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: use cannabis to successfully help some of their symptoms, you know. 316 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: But it's uh, it's it's annoying to say the least. 317 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: And you have vets who are still it's still a 318 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: struggle in some communities, even though you've got this Senate 319 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: bill here for people who can But it's other communities. 320 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: It's still rampant, Mark that vets don't have have it, 321 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: you know, Mark, I actually a question for you is like, 322 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: what are the legal hurdles to actually get cannabis into 323 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: the insurance world. I mean the federal It has to 324 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: go federal first, and then it has to go federal first, 325 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: because everything is very right your federal every everything is 326 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: in the insurance could kick in federal because you have 327 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: all those federal rules. Some though, some of these like 328 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: h M O P p O s would kick in 329 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: and be like, let's use the cannabis for this is 330 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: as possible for one of them to actually pick this 331 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: up and just start. Well, a private insurance company could 332 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: certainly do whatever they want. They could create you know, 333 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: they could well like, well, who did who did we 334 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: interview Afflack? Didn't we interview them and they started doing 335 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: something with cannabis? I don't remember. The top of Afflack 336 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 1: is actually covering the growers and dispensaries, which is it's 337 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: it's a start startup. Isn't for health yet, I mean, 338 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: you know so, but but creating it for the um, 339 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: you know, for the growers and the dispensaries. Affleck jumped 340 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: in the industry, which is you know, awesome shout out 341 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: to Affleck needs to be part of healthcare. Yeah, I 342 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: can't go to Kaiser and go get me to joint. 343 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: So just real thrown in for like how some other 344 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: countries are doing. In Canada, their Department of Veterans Affairs 345 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: reimburses every veteran who participates in their cannabis reimbursement program 346 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: up to three grams a day. Yes, so there are 347 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: other examples of federal systems. Canada operates in the same way, right, 348 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: Like you got a federal government, you got provincial systems. Uh, 349 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: and they basically have some something in place that recognizes, 350 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: you know, legal cannabis is being eligible free iimbursement and 351 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: veterans are able to use that, and they use that 352 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: quite a bit. I love that. I I didn't even 353 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: know there was, uh, you know, an insurance program in 354 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: any other state. I just was completely oblivious to it. 355 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: And that's provided by the government of Canada in that case. Yeah, 356 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: that's awesome. Well, guys, listen, you know, is there anything 357 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: else that we missed before we let you out of here? No, 358 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: I really appreciate the opportunity and thank you again to Blacklist, 359 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: Imercia Catalyst Canada's Talk one on one for the opportunity, 360 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: you know, for the platform and for you know, putting 361 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: a lot of greatevets up here today and how can 362 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: people reach out right, So again Www Veterans Canada c 363 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: A N n A Coalition dot org at Veterans Canna 364 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: Coalition on I G Facebook. Yeah, well there it is, 365 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: thank you very much. Well, there it is, guys. It's 366 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: Cannabis Talk one on one and we'll be right back 367 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: after this break. We'll be right back with Cannabis Talk 368 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: one oh one. Welcome back to Cannabis Talk one oh one. 369 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: They hit get head, sit back and enjoy Cannabis Talk 370 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 1: one oh one. Mark and Craig the pop brothers at 371 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: Law Blue and Joe Grande. We are here at in 372 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: Long Beach, live on Pine in fourth Street, and we 373 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: couldn't have been here without this wonderful crew that is 374 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: called Cannabis Talk one oh one. You know it's not 375 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: just us up here. Cannabis Talk one oh one. I 376 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 1: want to give a very special thanks to everyone that 377 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: is out here. Jen our social media queen j Jen, 378 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: he said, Jens Ja, and it's felt Ja and you 379 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: can read it or you can't. What lawyer, lawyer. I'm 380 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: a lawyer who can read and it says Jan Social 381 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: media queen Erica, Daniel cal r Is a Christian, Denny Kevin, Andrew, 382 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: Zach Cash, Cam Salar, Nadia, Ali Pitt, Chris Frankino, Jennifer 383 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: and Elvis. That is the Cannabis Talk one on one crew. 384 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. We love you guys, and now 385 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: you guys joining us here at the table is a 386 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: very special guest, Colin Wells from the Veterans Walk and 387 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: Talk and calling. I love reading the things that I've 388 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: already seen on there. How you're using the Native American 389 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: way of the mother Earth, and the mother Earth is 390 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: what I grew up. You know. I'm American Indian Winnebago 391 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: from Nebraska, and I had my whole Indian out to 392 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,479 Speaker 1: costume with pow wows. And I love that you know 393 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,959 Speaker 1: you and reading some things on you use those bourbage 394 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: as when you talk about the plant and you talk 395 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: about that, and when I read that, that really drew 396 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: me to you in touch me because I believe that 397 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: that's where it comes from the mother Earth. Right, So 398 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: when you use terms like that, I see you tapping 399 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: into the Native American Indians side. And I don't know 400 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: if you're American Indian or where where that comes from, 401 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: but you might be, brother, you know. I mean you 402 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: you sit there and go look at me. I don't 403 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: don't know if you are, but you know, Native Americans 404 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: look all kinds of different ways. That being said, I 405 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: love that your dialogue has that. Where does that dialogue 406 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: come from grabbing that spiritual side from the Native American ways? Yeah? 407 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: Thank you. That's a great question. And I just want 408 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: to say special thank you to Jan as well. She's 409 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: doing a great job. Jan right, yeah, yeah, yeah, killing 410 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: it today. Um yeah. We are through our work with 411 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: helping veterans and providing psychedelics and cannabis therapy to them 412 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: for five years now. We were reached out to um 413 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: gratefully by the leader of a church called the Church 414 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: of the People for Creator and Mother Earth. Stay real 415 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: tights to them, might get real close like Church of 416 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: the People, Yes, for Creator and Mother Earth. And that 417 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: is um Religi, a mushroom church that is based on 418 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: the Lahoya Band of Indians reservation and we do monthly 419 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: mushroom ceremonies there for veterans as well as weekly sweat 420 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: lodges for them and changed my life, brought me to 421 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: creator Mother Earth, taught me to be a prayerful man, 422 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 1: which I never was until very recently. And we use 423 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: mushrooms to connect Stay tight, stay tied up on that mic. Yes, 424 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: right there you go, there you go. We use mushrooms 425 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: to connect to our higher selves and to connect to 426 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: Mother Nature. And so that's where it came from. You know, 427 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: are you micro dosing now? You mean write this moment? Yeah? Absolutely? 428 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: Are you nice? Yeah? One of the things we do 429 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: is provide free micro dose capsules to all our members. 430 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: Are you gotta be coming? I think it's more like 431 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,479 Speaker 1: raised your hand if you've already had someone you haven't had, 432 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: have Yeah, So you know, it's it's it's interesting because 433 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: you know, the psychedelics and mushrooms right now, there's so 434 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,959 Speaker 1: many different strains and coming out. It's it's it's creating 435 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: its own you know, its own lane. You know, and 436 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: and and I you know, I've experienced them myself, but 437 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: I'm not on such a level that you know, I've 438 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: micro dosed them every day or I can't. I can't 439 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: experience I can't say have experience. How to you know, 440 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: UM use them on that at that capacity. But UM, 441 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: I definitely do believe that, you know, it's something that 442 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: people should use, you know, because I when I take mushrooms, 443 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: I've totally taken away too many and also just taken enough, 444 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: if you will, UM to either be able to get 445 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: through a day and then or actually go on some 446 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: kind of a trip that I enjoyed. At those times, 447 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,719 Speaker 1: we we do UM at the church, we do ceremonies. 448 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: So that's reading about announce some mushrooms each and eat. 449 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: So you're staying there for a good eight hours. UM, 450 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: the time is irrelevant, right, I'm still there right now, 451 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 1: and you're right now. But the idea is to completely 452 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: dissolve the way any and all thoughts that you would 453 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: that ego puts in front of you to keep you 454 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: from healing. As veterans, we have all these this, you know, 455 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: false pride of over these. I was a US Army infantryman. 456 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: I fought in Afghanistan. Thank you for your service. Appreciate it, 457 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: Thank you for your service. Man. You know, I'm very 458 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: conflicted about it. I'll be honest with you, you know, 459 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: I feel like a stormtrooper. UM, that's come back and 460 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: taking his helmet off for the first time. Uh So 461 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: the mushrooms kind of help veterans that I work with 462 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: realized that they're worth more than what they did during 463 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: their time in service, whether it was five years or 464 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: twenty years. And uh the mushrooms will kind of bring 465 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: that out of you and teach you that you are 466 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: enough and that the path that you've been on until 467 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: now is is what brought you to now. When is 468 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: the first time you use mushroom for for for that purpose? 469 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: Isn't to question asked for me? Yeah, that's a different 470 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: that's a different question first time, but first time with 471 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: that purpose for that purpose. Yeah, I've done it. I 472 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: started about a year ago this month with the Church 473 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: of the People for Creator and Mother Earth, and I've 474 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: done it three times since then, and with almost weekly 475 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: sweat lodges there too. And it's pretty profound that we've 476 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: had dozens of veterans come through and not to mention 477 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: like that, we do, you know, monthly hikes all over 478 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: the country. In California in particular, we have Veterans Walking 479 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: Talk Sacramento, Veterans Walking Talk Bay Area. We have Hawaii 480 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: chapters going up We're all over the country doing these 481 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: hikes where we provide free mushroom capsules to anyone who 482 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: hikes with us, and the healing response has been amazing. 483 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: There's lots of veterans here that walk with us, and 484 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: I've been here. How do people get ahold of you? 485 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: If they want to do that, they're listening, they have 486 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: to meet me in person. No, I'm just kidding camera 487 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: guy right, if you want to get um, you know 488 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: we're we have a large social media presence at Veterans 489 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: Walk and Talk and Veterans Walking Talk dot com. UM. 490 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: I want to also just take a moment to uh 491 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: put some attention to the fact that there are hundreds 492 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: and hundreds of homeless veterans living outside the West Los 493 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: Angeles VIA at this moment, and we have been working 494 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: really hard to get them housing. UM with an amazing 495 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: group called Semper Utilis and Center Utillis has brought a 496 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: lot of the veterans onto the campus for the first 497 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: time in history. This this VA campus is bigger than Disneyland, 498 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: and the fact that there's homeless veterans outside as a travesty. 499 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: So I just want to shout out that November seventeenth, 500 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: were having a peaceful march and rally from the West 501 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: l a v a. To the Senate office to get 502 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,719 Speaker 1: these veterans homes. That's so beautiful that you guys do that, 503 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: because there's so many When I see that, you know, 504 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: what was that date again? That's November seventeenth, and it's 505 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,719 Speaker 1: actually run by your your buddy and Mr Checkpoint Senate 506 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: coming out today, I don't know. He might be under 507 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: the table. I don't know. He was here watching Jetpoint somewhere. 508 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: He was coming out today, they asked, They asked he 509 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: should be. I mean, he's such a big advocate so 510 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: many yesterday he was he was in Los Angeles with 511 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: m Arnold schwarzeneger Um with you know, the tent there 512 00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: was a bunch of tent villages and stuff like that. 513 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: They're just talking about how, you know, not not just veterans, 514 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: but no one should be homeless and and there's you know, 515 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: it's unfortunates and unless they want to be right. And 516 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 1: that's actually where I come from. I lived there. I 517 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: was homeless there. I lived on that campus for eleven 518 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: months as a combat trauma treatment. I'm an ex heroin addict. 519 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,479 Speaker 1: You know like I've come through a lot, and I 520 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: know what it's like to be on those streets because 521 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: I lived on those streets for a long time, and 522 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: they gotta they gotta be lifted up somehow. How long 523 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: how long have been? How long have been sober? Four years? 524 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: Four years? Congratulate gratulations. Wonderful, you know. And that's from methodon. 525 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 1: I was on methodon. I count that. Yeah, so I 526 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: was on methodone for a while. I've been off Heroin 527 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: for seven years. Congratulations, Joe's on twenty three years of sobriety. 528 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 1: I mean that's I mean, congratulations, Joe, thank you. It's 529 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: it's beautiful, it so well, Like you said, Creator and 530 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: Mother earth Man, that's what brought me to a fruition 531 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: And as you get, this thing started in Lohoya. What 532 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: drew you to there? How did you get? And co 533 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: found me? They found you and now you've just been 534 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: working with them for the last would you say a 535 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: few months? For a year now, Shane? Where are you 536 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: when they found you? I was I was probably walking aimlessly. No. Uh, 537 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: I've been doing this work for five years now with 538 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: with hundreds and hundreds of veterans, Like I said, Uh, 539 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: facilitating you know them to Sam Pedro, Aahuasca, d MT journeys, 540 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: whatever it is that suits them. And when Shane reached 541 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: out to me um based on the work he saw 542 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: me doing, he offered this church up to us to 543 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: come and practice this, this this sacred art and do it, 544 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: you know, without much legal repercussion. It is still a 545 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: legal gray a gray area, which is unfortunate, but we're 546 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: able to really just like put the metal, put the 547 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: pedals to the metal, and get veterans in their healing. 548 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: And it's so great calling because I love the whole 549 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: name of it. Veterans walk and talk. Let's just look 550 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: at two of those things that are just so important 551 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: in life. Walking around, getting your body moving is such 552 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: an important quality of life that people may not realize, 553 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: but it's just such a big thing. If you just 554 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: walk daily a lot of good things, you're gonna benefit 555 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: from it, right unless you can. Of course, there's that aspect. 556 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: But the other thing that I love about this, which 557 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: leads me into so many other therapeutic ways of talk, 558 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: talking your problems with people with similar issues, has been 559 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: a number one factor from I don't care if it's 560 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: a A N A V. A, B A. You call 561 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: it what you want, anonymous, but it's talking and it's 562 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: talking your way through problems and through scenarios and veterans 563 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: working with veterans. There's nothing better than that, folks. And 564 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: if people know somebody out there, try to get in 565 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: touch with somebody that they can reach out to. Because 566 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: in my experience in life, being able to talk my 567 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: own problems in my twenty three years of sobriety, that's 568 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: what's been a key factor for me, because you can 569 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: talk to people that have been through it and for 570 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: those that are listening, if you're having whatever problem there is, 571 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: you're not alone. Find the problem that you're having and 572 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: reach out and you don't necessarily need to have to 573 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: pay a hundred dollars an hour for fucking there. Just 574 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: called Joan everything everything, everything, everything is free for veterans. 575 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: We don't charge the thing for anything ever. And if 576 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: you looked there and now and yeah, yeah I do. 577 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: I do. The whole program looks in the psychedelics and recovery. 578 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: I have not. I've talked to several people about it. 579 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of what mushrooms are doing. In 580 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: every conversation I had with people it's so funny calling 581 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: because I literally had a conversation last night at my 582 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: son's football game, had a playoff game, and I was 583 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: talking to these two lawyers and I go, you know, 584 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: this micro doocene. I've not heard one bad anecdotal rebuttal 585 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: of how it's made him feel acting this and that. 586 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: And I've been saying how mushrooms is the next big movement, 587 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: especially for I said this veterans because I see them 588 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: are any trauma patient for that matter that's dealing with 589 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: you name the problem, you know what I mean. There's 590 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: a bunch of other problems in life that are out there. 591 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: But I'm a huge advocate of it as I'm in 592 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: the program. I'm not anti Mr everybody, you know, No, no, no, 593 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: I'm like to each their own with their programs. Psychedelics 594 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: and Recovery is an actual a program for people who 595 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: use psychedelics to heal themselves. And if they have meetings 596 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: in Long Beach, San Diego, all over the place, it's 597 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: pretty cool. I gotta go off and it's nice. Yeah, 598 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not one that sits there and preachers don't. 599 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there preaching do what works for you. Sure, 600 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: what I mean, I'm sure be allowed to do. You 601 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: mentioned gray area stuff. I mean, it's it's well, it's 602 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: gray area when you talk strictly the program of A 603 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: and an A. When you mentioned that to people who 604 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: have done those books and read the program and there, yeah, 605 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: there's a quote unquote strict protocol talking about using drugs 606 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: that are still illegal exactly, and they don't have a 607 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: problem when if you go to the doctor that we 608 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: have a we have a model. We call it guerrilla wellness, 609 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: which is wellness. And I've been an outlaw for years 610 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: doing what I do, and I'll keep being an outlaw 611 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: as long as it keeps helping people. You love it, man, Well, 612 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: anything else before we let you get on out of 613 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: here that you want to share with our listeners, um no, 614 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: I'm just huge shout out to Eric from Veteran's Cannabis 615 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: Coalition Veteran Cannabis Group for putting this on. This is 616 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: an amazing event and all the Veterans Walking Talk members 617 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: out here. I love you guys, Thank you. Also appreciate 618 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: you brother guys. Harvest for Heroes right here in downtown 619 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: Long Beach off a Pine, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth. 620 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: I think all those streets are taken up right now, 621 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: it's all for the veterans. Guys. It's Cannabis Talk one 622 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: oh one. And remember this, If no one else loves you, 623 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: we do. Thank you for listening to Cannabis Talk one 624 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: oh one on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, 625 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts