1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: I didn't hear back on normally the show with normal, 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: which takes for when the news gets weird. 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: I am Mary Catherine Haham, and I'm Carol Markowitz. Mary Catherine. 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 2: Is Halloween your favorite holiday? 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 3: It's not my favorite holiday, but it's second to Christmas. 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 2: Second to Christmas? That makes sense. 7 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like very close. 8 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 2: You really bring it. 9 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 3: I try. 10 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: I mean over the years, your costume is just incredible. 11 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: I didn't know who you were this last one, but 12 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 2: a lot of people were very impressed with you after 13 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 2: I posted the picture of us together on my Instagram. 14 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: Well, I'm so glad, Yes we were. For those who 15 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: didn't see the picture, we'll put it on our socials. 16 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: But we were two of the characters from The Great 17 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: British Baking Show, So Prue and Noel my husband and I. 18 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: The thing is, I inexplicably found a man who is 19 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: very into the same things I'm into. So that was 20 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: like one of the reasons we got together is when 21 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: we first started dating, I was like, wait, you want 22 00:00:57,960 --> 00:00:59,959 Speaker 1: to put together a costume because I want to put 23 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: together Let's do it together. 24 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 25 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: So, mister giant shoulders in the gym all the time 26 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: is like, yes, I will nitpicked your costume for accuracy. 27 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 3: It's a cuss play. 28 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: Dude, he's so awesome. I mean, I have only met 29 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: your husband a few times, but I just every time 30 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: he's around, he is so much fun and you guys 31 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 2: are just fantastic together. 32 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: He's a good dude. He's a good dude. So yeah, 33 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: well we pulled it off. The kids kind of freelanced 34 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: this year, so I let them do their own thing. 35 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: And my four year old, I don't know if I mentioned, 36 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: was poop Yep. 37 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 2: I love it. 38 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 3: She was poop yep. 39 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: She picked it and she wanted it, and you guys 40 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 2: are awesome. 41 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 3: We made it happen. So anyway, all right. 42 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: Well, Halloween is over. I felt like, even though it 43 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 2: was only Friday, went on through the weekend. I feel 44 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 2: like everybody was just drunk and high on chocolate. I 45 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: picked up all the wrappers around my house on Saturday 46 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: and then did it all again on Sunday. I don't 47 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: know where they blew in from, but. 48 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's well. 49 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: My husband is also he's like a sweetz aholic. We 50 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: don't really keep stuff in the house in general, so 51 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: when Halloween hits, like you got he handed out the 52 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: candy a couple of years in a row, and I 53 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:09,839 Speaker 1: would come back to the house and be like, what's 54 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: wrong with you? 55 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 3: And he had just oh deed. 56 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 2: And for the child, one for me, handful for the kids. 57 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 3: We don't leave them along with it. 58 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: So well, y well, we're on to the next holiday, 59 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: which of course is election day. 60 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 3: That's right. 61 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 2: We are recording it the day before election day. This 62 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: will be released on election Day across the country. And 63 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: it's not looking very good. 64 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 3: It's not. 65 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 2: But I will say, and I said this on the show, 66 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: I think last episode or two episodes ago, if it's 67 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: even close, I think Republicans should be happy about that. 68 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 2: It is tough times out there for Republicans in these 69 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 2: particular races. Two are in deep blue New Jersey and 70 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: New York City, very deep blue. One is in a 71 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,399 Speaker 2: purply angry state that's mad about the shutdown right now, 72 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: which is of course home state of Virginia. These are 73 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 2: not going to be easy for Republicans. 74 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: No, and I'm getting wildly conflicting messages about early voting 75 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: and turnout that I'm trying to reconcile with each other. Look, 76 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: I will say that even though it is an uphill 77 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: battle in Virginia. Republicans are making a good showing. Yeah, 78 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: certainly a respectable showing in the early voting totals compared 79 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: to other years. Youngkin's great contribution to the Virginia GOP. 80 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: Among many other things, He's been a very good governor, 81 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: but is to have increased the party's capabilities when it 82 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: comes to getting people out to vote when it comes 83 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: to running up totals in rural areas, which had not 84 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: been done well previous to that, particularly trying to answer 85 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: the urban surges during the Obama years. So I do 86 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: think I saw somebody say that in all the polling 87 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,119 Speaker 1: that shows, obviously we'd like the AG race to turn 88 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: out a Republican win, just to keep the guy who 89 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: wants me and my children dead off of out public office, who, 90 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: by the way, was on stage at the Obama rally. 91 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: Right Obama was like, we should be able to disagree 92 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: without disrespecting each other, and then there's mister kill everybody. 93 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 3: Anyway, we'd like that to be a win. 94 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: I saw a stat that was encouraging that is, like, 95 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: if span Berger, who is the top of the ticket, 96 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: doesn't win by eleven plus, the AG race goes Republican, 97 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:24,679 Speaker 1: she can't drag him across the line. 98 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 3: So if we could keep it. 99 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 2: Dight, keep it dight? Is she pulling eleven plus? I 100 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 2: feel like everything I've seen has her seven or eight. 101 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's more like kissing double digits, but not 102 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: quite there. 103 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Virginia, you know what to do New 104 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: York City. I just have so many friends who are 105 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: so hopeful that Cuomo was going to pull it out, 106 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 2: And I mean maybe every time, you know, I can't 107 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: like you. I'm parsing these early vote totals, like, oh, look, 108 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 2: the Hasidic Jewish communities have really come out in the 109 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 2: early voting days. But like, I don't know that city's 110 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 2: super blue. I think a lot of people walk into 111 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,679 Speaker 2: the booth and vote either Republican or Democrat. And Cuomo 112 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 2: is running on the third party line, Like we have 113 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 2: to like he's also my mom, and be like, you 114 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 2: can't go in and vote Republican. You have to vote. 115 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 2: You have to find Andrew Como on his weird third 116 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 2: party line. 117 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 3: That's part of it. 118 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: His ballot placement is very bad. He's stuck in the 119 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: middle of a second row. Yeah, I should also note 120 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: that for Republicans, and this is something that again Youngkin 121 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: has worked on correcting for but four Republicans because of 122 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: the realignment of the kind of voters Republicans get. 123 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 3: Now, Republicans have. 124 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: Lower propensity voters, which means they are less likely to 125 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: come out in an off year election. The suburban moms 126 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: are the put it on your calendar, do all the 127 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: things for make sure that we show up every single 128 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: time there's a vote. 129 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 3: Young male new voters. 130 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: Not as likely to be showing up every time. So 131 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: that is a sort of an evolution in the party 132 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: that does cause problem. And these off your elections if 133 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: you're not working really hard to get people out, and 134 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: credit to Yankin and Scott Pressler and others who. 135 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 3: Do the hard work on the ground to make that happen. 136 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 2: Absolutely Republicans need to like put a voting booth in 137 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 2: the toilet paper aisle where you buy like the single 138 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: pack of toilet paper that single men go for, like 139 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: because again suburban moms ordering it on Amazon, getting like 140 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: a four month pack, you. 141 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: Know, and then like the single heat up meals like 142 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,679 Speaker 1: those are that's this is ours, this is our area. 143 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: I should note also just for y'all's education. That California 144 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: is of course considering Proposition fifty. That's their their their 145 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: constitutional amendment to change the way that they do redistricting 146 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 1: so that they can have more democratic seats. Voters in 147 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: Texas will decide whether to amend the constitution to say 148 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: that persons who are not citizens of the United States 149 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: cannot vote in Texas. I'm sure the Libs find this 150 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: very controversial. In Maine, they're doing some voting changes. There's 151 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: a gun law question on Maine's ballot. Parental rights in Texas, 152 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 1: an amendment that would affirm that parents are the primary 153 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: decision makers for their children and a couple, like environmental 154 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: things other places, but those are the Nothing is dominating 155 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: the ballot measures this year. There's no big theme like 156 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: there's in the past. It's been abortion related stuff, right 157 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: this year, not a big theme. 158 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 2: I think it's just do hate Donald Trump. If so, 159 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 2: come vote for the Democrats. That's that's where they are 160 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: right now, which is not a bad place to be 161 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 2: because a lot of these people do hate Donald Trump 162 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: and want to send a message. So there will be 163 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 2: that message. I think I mentioned in a previous episode 164 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 2: that Miami is having an election and a I don't 165 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: want to call her far left because it does dilute 166 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 2: the term because she's not an AOC, she's not his 167 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: arm I'm Donnie. But for Florida, she's pretty left. Is 168 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 2: leading in the polls, and there's like a mayoral race. 169 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: It's a mayoral race. It's different than New York City 170 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: because Miami has like six mayors and it's not just 171 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: you know, she's going to run like three neighborhoods basically 172 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 2: if she wins, but it's still important. But there's like 173 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: ten candidates running and one of them is endorsed by 174 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis. It looks like this woman, Eileen versus I 175 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 2: believe his name is Gonzales are going to be in 176 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: a runoff together. And then at that point it's also 177 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 2: non part is an election. I should know. They're not 178 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 2: running on party lines, so it's different. But again, if 179 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: a liberal or a leftist or whatever somewhere between wins 180 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 2: mayor of Miami, that does kind of slow down Republican 181 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 2: momentum going into the midterms. It's a small, nothing race, 182 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: but it sends a message that the Democrats, you know, 183 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 2: who have been massively unpopular in the last year. Maybe 184 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: are mounting a little bit of a comeback. 185 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, we shall see. 186 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: I'm interested in what do you think of Obama showing 187 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: up at the end in New Jersey? 188 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 3: So funny he went to New Jersey too, right? 189 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 2: Yeah he did? Yeah, you know, like you said, his 190 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: whole like we have to be better, do each other thing. 191 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: Like I see him as the most divisive president. He 192 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: is the one who I feel like split us apart 193 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 2: in a way that we haven't been able to recover from. 194 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 2: It wasn't George W. Bush. It was not George W. 195 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 2: Bush who did that. It was Barack Obama. I don't know. 196 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 2: I guess it means that they think it's closer. But 197 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 2: if it's not close, is he not going to come? 198 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 2: I don't know. 199 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: The thing about him is it's such a myth that 200 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: he has coattails, right he is. He is an important 201 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: figure and then a party, but he has never really 202 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,719 Speaker 1: brought people across the line in the way that they 203 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: sort of pretend he does when they're like we're bringing 204 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: in the big guns and it's like okay. 205 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,119 Speaker 3: But while he was in office, you guys. 206 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 2: Lost thousands lots of things, thousands. 207 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: Of seats where he was speaking, and then I think 208 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: for me, you know, I've always frequently seen through Obama's 209 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: rhetoric about how we should all. 210 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 3: Be good to each other. 211 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: But standing on the stage and giving that speel the 212 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: same stage that the Ages nominee who wants to shoot 213 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: the Speaker of the House and Replican Speaker of the 214 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: House in Virginia. 215 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 3: Okay, enough enough, sir. Yeah, I like that. It means 216 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 3: that they are nervous. 217 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: It's closer, right, Yeah, It's closer than they want it 218 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,719 Speaker 1: to be, which again. 219 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 2: Would be huge. All of these races matter obviously for 220 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 2: the people living in those places, but on a national level, 221 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 2: what these races matter for really is to see where 222 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 2: the midterms are headed. And I think they'll give us 223 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: a little bit of a preview. Again, it's probably going 224 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 2: to be a Democratic sweep, but it has to be 225 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 2: a democratic sweep. If it's not a Democratic sweep, Democrats 226 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 2: in a world of hurt going into the midterms. Again, 227 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 2: if it's close, that that's very good for Republicans. 228 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: Can I also say too, by the way, when some 229 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: seiarus has been doing the work on the ground, she's 230 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: been trying to take advantage of all these insane Northern 231 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: Virginia school board policies which are just awful. There's tons 232 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: of controversies going on. Are Soros funded prosecutor in my 233 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: county that just lets people out willy nilly all of 234 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: that stuff? 235 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: Didn't do that I would. 236 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: I would like to say. I read a New Yorker 237 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: piece that was like, Abigail Spenberger thinks that Democrats need 238 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: to listen more, and it's like, Okay, again, she's posing 239 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: as the normy savior, and I think that if she wins, 240 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: it's not by virtue of being normy, unless by being 241 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: normy you just mean she's not mom Dannie. 242 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,719 Speaker 2: Like that's gonna be a low bar that a lot 243 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 2: of Democrats are going to celebrate clearing. 244 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I don't think she actually wants to listen. 245 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: She hasn't moderated on gender issues, She hasn't been willing 246 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: to speak up about any of these controversies, things that 247 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: are again eighty twenty issues. She just keeps her mouth shut. 248 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: She wants the state to be a sanctuary state at 249 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: some level, she's like, doesn't want to cut that off. 250 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: And then she was asked this weekend if she would 251 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: work with Trump on like job development and making sure 252 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: that Virginas have jobs. 253 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 3: Here's her answer to that. 254 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: You position yourself as a consensus builder, someone who works 255 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: across the aisle. 256 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 3: Would you work with President Trump on areas like job creation? 257 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 4: I think that you know you don't work with the 258 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 4: arsonist who burns down the house to rebuild it, and 259 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 4: in this particular case, on the individual who's responsible for 260 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 4: an absolute attack on the federal workforce is not the 261 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 4: right person to help rebuild our economy. 262 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 2: Are you going to work with Donald Trump? No? No, 263 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 2: definitely not. 264 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 3: And a lot of her sort of mythos. 265 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: She did win in a swing district in Virginia that 266 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: had a lot of rural area in it, But I 267 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 1: have been surprised how unimpressive she is on the trail 268 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: at moments like this. And her whole claim to fame 269 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: is that in twenty twenty, in a private discussion with Democrats, 270 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: she said, like, we need to lean away from this 271 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: defund the police craziness. Yeah, good point, Representative Spanburger. That 272 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: was a leaked conversation. She didn't say that all. I 273 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: just think her credits and the normy area are not 274 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: as strong as people will suggest they are. 275 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 2: It's funny because it's usually for Democrats. It's like the 276 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 2: private conversations are further to the left. She has to 277 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 2: pretend to be more of a leftist than she is 278 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 2: to get elected. That's great, that's great. 279 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: Anyway, we will cure it on those results when we 280 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: have them. 281 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be right back with more on normally. We 282 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 2: are back on normally, with a little infighting on the right, 283 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 2: although I don't love the way that sounds because I 284 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 2: don't consider some of the people involved to be on 285 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 2: the right anymore or ever. Really, last episode, we talked 286 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 2: about Tucker Carlson having white supremacist Nick Fuentes. I don't 287 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 2: even know what to call him, white supremacist, just racist, 288 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 2: anti semitic, very misogynistic, just a gross human on his show. 289 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 2: He softballed Tucker, gave him softball questions and really kind 290 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: of tried to normalize fuents This story would have maybe 291 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 2: started to die down. I mean, how long can we 292 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 2: talk about a podcaster having another podcaster on his show. 293 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 2: Tucker's been heading in a really dark direction. As I 294 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 2: like to say, I was a big fan of Tucker 295 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 2: when he was a conservative. I don't really see any 296 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 2: conservative values from him anymore. He makes fun of Trump 297 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 2: administration accomplishments like no boys in girls' sports, or he 298 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 2: opposed the strike on Iran, which listen, I get it, 299 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: you could oppose, but he thinks there was a failure, 300 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 2: and I'm sorry. It just there's no way you could 301 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 2: see it like that. The new news that happened is 302 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 2: the Heritage Foundation, which is a storied conservative organization, has 303 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 2: into this debate. This story. 304 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Heritage, by the way, sort of got it 305 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: is known best or it's sort of its origin story 306 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: was that a couple of conservatives were like, we need 307 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: something that actually creates Paulo's so that if there's someone 308 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: ever elected who's conservative while we're in the wilderness in 309 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: the late seventies, we could be able to hand them something. 310 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: And that something was a lot of the architecture for 311 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: Reagan's term. Not that Reagan of course didn't have his 312 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: own ideas, but there was a blueprint handed out that 313 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: was like called the Mandate for Leadership controversially renamed Project 314 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five from the very boring version that they 315 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: used to call it. So Mandate for Leadership was like 316 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: sort of like an underpinning of Reagan's years, and so 317 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: that has been the jumping off point for the rest 318 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: of Heritage history. But Heritage has undergone evolution as the 319 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: Republican Party and the Conservative movement has undergone evolution, and 320 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: this seems like an evolution I'm not excited about. 321 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. So, Kevin Roberts is the current president of Heritage 322 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 2: and Heritage Action, and I really like him. I am 323 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 2: not in any way anti Kevin Roberts. I thought he 324 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 2: was doing a fantastic job at Heritage. I get the 325 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 2: criticisms of Project twenty twenty five, but I thought a 326 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 2: lot of it was really smart. It's crazy to me 327 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 2: that we're having this conversation about Kevin Roberts because I 328 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 2: always saw him as such a kind of not middle 329 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: of the road. That's the wrong term. Very again, maybe normal, 330 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 2: maybe normal is the way to go here. I saw 331 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: him as a normal guy. So what he did on 332 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 2: Friday is he put out a video and he tweeted, 333 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 2: I'm sorry it wasn't Friday, it was Thursday. He said. 334 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 2: There's been speculation that Heritage is distancing itself from Tucker 335 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: Carlson over the past twenty four hours. I want to 336 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 2: put that to rest right now here are my thoughts, 337 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: and he just said such inflammatory things. Let's roll a 338 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 2: clip that I think was particularly inflammatory. 339 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 5: We will always defend America, and we will always defend 340 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 5: our friends against the slander of bad actors who serve 341 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 5: someone else's agenda. That includes Tucker Carlson, who remains and 342 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 5: as I have said before, always will be a close 343 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 5: friend of the Heritage Foundation. The venomous coalition attacking him 344 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 5: are sewing division. Their attempt to cancel him will fail. 345 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 2: The venomous coalition who serves somebody else's interests. It's a 346 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 2: really dark kind of phrasing, and I think a lot 347 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 2: of people were shocked at it. The thing is and 348 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 2: what I've loved so much about being a conservative always, 349 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 2: but really in the last week when this bubbled up, 350 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 2: when Fentis went on Tucker's show, it was near unanimous 351 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 2: condemnation from conservatives. Of course, there are some who are like, 352 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 2: you know, let's hear the crazy white supremacists who hated 353 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk and tried to get people to not vote 354 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 2: for Donald Trump in this last election. Let's hear him out. 355 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 2: And I don't think the hearing him out is the problem. 356 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 2: So much as he went completely unchallenged by Tucker Carlston 357 00:17:55,920 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 2: because Tucker himself has gone down this terrible road where 358 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 2: he's obsessed with Jews and with Israel, and all of 359 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 2: his shows and all of his newsletters are only and 360 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 2: always about this. So for Kevin Roberts to get into 361 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 2: this and say we will stand by Tucker no matter 362 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 2: what he says was just a crazy thing to do. 363 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 2: And the backlash to this has been swift and I 364 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 2: just love to see it. 365 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, And apparently what triggered this was someone took down 366 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: an internal web page or not an internal webpage but 367 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: not an important part of the website, but something that 368 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: referenced Carlson on the heritage website. And then there was 369 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: this like they felt the need to set the record 370 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: straight while all of us were setting the record straight 371 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: that like probably hosting right white nationalist is not a 372 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: great idea now important for the right also not just 373 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: the standing up on this, but I didn't see one 374 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: person call for Tucker to not have a play right right. 375 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 2: Zero people said that, or who was trying to cancel him. 376 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: Here people are saying that what they are saying is like, look, 377 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: I wouldn't make the decision to have Fintus on my show. 378 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: I don't think it's good to elevent like him. I 379 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 1: want my guardrails like way out here with a lot 380 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: of allowable speech. 381 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 3: But like I'm not hosting that. 382 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, how if I did this, I would ask 383 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 2: difficult questions. 384 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: If someone wishes to host him, please grill him. And 385 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: I know you're smart enough to do it. 386 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 387 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: So it was to me an unforced error, but telling 388 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: that the head of Heritage Foundation felt the need to 389 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: stand up on this point, and he said, you know, 390 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: I find some of Foin's views abhorrent, but like we 391 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: don't sort of shut off discussion, and it's like, okay. 392 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: The other thing is Tucker's whole thing is saying the 393 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: rest of us are wrong about everything, right, right, if 394 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: indeed we are on the same side, which, as you 395 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,959 Speaker 1: point out, it feels very much not like that, then 396 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: why is he not in trouble for coming at everybody else? 397 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 2: Exactly? It's only one side and this has been the point. 398 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 2: Also on the Tucker Finds interview, Tucker said that he 399 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 2: hates Christian Zionists, and again, Charlie Kirk was murdered not 400 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 2: even two months ago, and he was I think he 401 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 2: was the most famous Christian Zionist in the country. Like 402 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 2: I can't think of anybody bigger than Charlie Kirk on 403 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 2: Christian Zionism. But what is Tucker saying here, And it's 404 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 2: just it's mind boggling. Well, and the fact that he 405 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 2: can so often say, all these people on the right, 406 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 2: he hates this person, and he hates this person, and 407 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 2: he hates this person and he hates this person. And 408 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 2: that's not sowing divisions somehow that's a problem. 409 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: Well, and also to that point, let me commend Dana 410 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: lash who amazing, which is so great, who is a 411 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: conservative who has worked with heritage forever as many of 412 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: us have, right, and she went to them and said 413 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: to her contacts over there, like get him on the 414 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: show so that I can talk to him and ask 415 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: him what you guys are doing. 416 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 3: Because this is one of these things that can. 417 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: Feel very in the weeds, and it is right, this 418 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: is this is an online conversation has a movement conversation, 419 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: not a normy conversation. 420 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 3: However, what happens in. 421 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: These fights dictated what flows downstream eventually. So that's the 422 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 1: fight we're having Dana Lash was in the fight and 423 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: she had a question about exactly what were you were 424 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: saying for Kevin Roberts, and this was his response. 425 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 6: What we're trying to do is eliminate that kind of 426 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 6: venom both directions. 427 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 2: Is it venomous to say that you hate Christian zionis? 428 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 6: Well, of course it is. I mean, I've been really clear, 429 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 6: not just yesterday and today, but my entire career that 430 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 6: and Heritage certainly has in its entire existence, that those 431 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 6: kinds of things are just abhorrent. I was I said 432 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 6: that literally yesterday. 433 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 2: Because Tucker said those things, So that would be I mean, 434 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 2: is that not so? 435 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 3: In division? 436 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 6: It's certainly not helpful, but it doesn't mean that he 437 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 6: ought to be canceled because of it. 438 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 2: In fact, that's not the question is not whether he 439 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 2: should be canceled. Is that so in division to say 440 00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: things like that. 441 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 6: Certainly, and a lot of our friend's minds. 442 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 2: But the point that you didn't put that in your statement. 443 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 6: Because the proximity or the context for the statement was 444 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 6: something very different. And that was, as we were talking 445 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 6: about a few minutes ago, all of the pressure that 446 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 6: Heritage was receiving to cancel Tucker, which is not we 447 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 6: wouldn't do that to you, We wouldn't do that to him. 448 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 2: That's the question. He also seemed very surprised by many 449 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 2: of the things that she brought up that Tucker has said, 450 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 2: which led people to believe that he didn't write the video, 451 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 2: he didn't write the text for the video, and then 452 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 2: his chief of staff was moved to some other part 453 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 2: of Heritage Foundation and people like, oh, maybe that's who 454 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 2: wrote it. Again, you're right, this is so in the weeds. 455 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 2: But another defense of Tucker that I keep seeing online 456 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 2: is why are we wasting time talking about this? We 457 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 2: have real issues, we have a real fight with the left. 458 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 2: And again I say, take this up with Tucker Cross. 459 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 2: Why is he not talking about any of the issues 460 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 2: that we have with the left? Why is he constantly 461 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 2: constantly only going after people on the right, And why 462 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 2: is he constantly only talking about Israel, only talking about Jews, 463 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 2: making that the focal point of every single episode. It's 464 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 2: just there's something about that that is dark, and I 465 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 2: think that you can't ignore that and pretend that we're 466 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 2: the ones who keep talking about Tucker. No, he's the 467 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 2: one who keeps bringing the conversation back to this, And 468 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 2: I'll also say Tucker does these newsletters now, and the 469 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 2: newsletters are almost entirely about Israel or Jews. So on 470 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 2: today's newsletter, the headline is Trump threatens to defund Nigeria 471 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 2: if Christian killings continue. Now you would think Tucker Carlston, 472 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 2: self proclaimed Christian, would before this. He doesn't come off 473 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 2: as super four defunding Nigeria. In fact, guess what he 474 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 2: found a way to bring it back to He says, so, 475 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 2: how come Mark Levin would label him an anti Jewish 476 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 2: racist if he made the exact same statement about Israel. 477 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 2: Isn't that a weird double standard? This may be hard 478 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,719 Speaker 2: for Levin and his ethno narcissist caucus to accept, but 479 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 2: criticism of their beloved country has nothing to do with Judaism, 480 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 2: just like Trump's statement on Nigeria is not an attack 481 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 2: on blacks. It's about putting America first. Christians are being slaughtered, 482 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: and this is what your argument is. It just there's 483 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 2: nothing conservative going on here. 484 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: Well, and I think you could deploy the same bandwidth 485 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: an attention argument against Roberts, who I think probably has 486 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: learned a lesson from this that maybe the one straight 487 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: to camera video you do in a week shouldn't be 488 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: about this. Yeah, right, it really That's what it signaled 489 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: to me, is like, oh, this is a very big 490 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: deal to him that he did this video. And I 491 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 1: think part of that, again, this is the struggle. Part 492 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: of that is because there is a young cohort of 493 00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: right leaning young people that I think misc Some people 494 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: are thinking the only way to keep these people yes 495 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: in the movement is to host this guy. And I'm like, no, no, no, 496 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: perhaps we should host better people, right, and. 497 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 2: This will argue about this guy. 498 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, the vacuum left by Charlie Kirk is so damaging 499 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: because he was the model for that. 500 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, all right. I'm going to end with 501 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 2: two white pills, as the kids say, and one of them, 502 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 2: actually tweets actually contain contains the phrase white pill. This 503 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 2: one's from Joel Berry. He says it's a major white pill, 504 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: which means a positive thing. That the Heritage Foundation gave 505 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 2: no enemies to the right a mainstream test drive this week, 506 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 2: and it blew up in their faces because the American 507 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 2: right still has a conscience and a moral compass. Praise 508 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 2: Praise Christ the King for small mercies, and I just 509 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 2: you know, I love that so much, because again I 510 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 2: wasn't sure how it was going to go. I wasn't 511 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 2: sure that the right was going to say absolutely not 512 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 2: not on our watch. Tucker is a very popular figure. 513 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 2: I've said it before, but he is very personable. I 514 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 2: really used to like him and care about him a lot. 515 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 2: I understand that impulse from other people, but he is 516 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 2: leading us down a dangerous path. The other tweet similar 517 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 2: to this is from Abe Greenwald. He says the right 518 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 2: responded to half a dozen Jew hating podcasters and one 519 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 2: think tank president with overwhelming and immediate condemnation. The left 520 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 2: encouraged two years of abject pro jihad support and terrorism 521 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 2: to thrive without ever putting its foot down. I'm so 522 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 2: glad we're not doing the same as the left has 523 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 2: done here well. 524 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: And I want to say also just in a general sense, 525 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: because of the generational change in views on Israel, which 526 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: may be recovered. 527 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 2: At some points, but. 528 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: The lasting victory of Israel from seven fronts during the 529 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: past two years, pretty again, good bye President Trump, really 530 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: important for moving forward if in fact the public. 531 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 3: Turn off the. 532 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 1: Changes in these coming generations. And you know, there can 533 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: be work to do about educating people about our only, 534 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: our only liberal democracy alley in the Middle East. It's 535 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 1: pretty important. 536 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I'll end this. I am not worried 537 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 2: about Israel. I'm worried about America. When I hear the 538 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 2: Tuckers and the Fuentesses, I'm not like, oh God, Israel's 539 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 2: going to suffer because of this. I think America is 540 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 2: going to suffer because of this. Israel will be just fine. 541 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 2: Will we be just fine if we take their path? 542 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 2: I don't know. 543 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 3: I mean, you can look around at the left for 544 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 3: the last couple of years. 545 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 2: You really can. Great. No, no good, all right, we'll 546 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 2: be right back with more on normally. We are back 547 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 2: on normally where Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow is getting some 548 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 2: really gross condemnation and we are here to say absolutely 549 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 2: not on our watch. 550 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: I told you guys, I was gonna be a widow 551 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 1: defense because it is a strange thing in particularly if 552 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: you're a public figure, that people really feel free to 553 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: speculate about you, to question your motives. I got this 554 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: after my husband died in twenty fifteen, or people would 555 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: just assume that I got jobs because no like it 556 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: is gross. It's a gross thing. It happens not infrequently. 557 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: This woman is now, I think, like fifty five days 558 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: from having watched her husband be murdered, and people are 559 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 1: watching her under a microscope, and I think some of 560 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 1: it is just like this is how this goes. Some 561 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: of it is she's too public and she's too powerful, 562 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: and there are people both on left and right who 563 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: do not like that. 564 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 3: But I got news for y'all. Her name's Kirk. She's 565 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 3: legally the inheritor of his legacy. She is now legally 566 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 3: the inheritor of the organization that he ran. That makes 567 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 3: perfect sense. 568 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: If you don't like a lady doing that, you might 569 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: get mad about it. But like the accusations of the 570 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: most recent one is somebody took a screenshot from a 571 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: hug she gave Vice President jd Vance and alleged this 572 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: is inappropriate. If you watch the video, you'll know why 573 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: they chose a screenshot because the video is like zero 574 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: point seven seconds. 575 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 2: Right, right. 576 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: The hug is like hug moves, yeah, right. But the 577 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: desire is to plant these terrible seeds about this woman 578 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: who is like just trying to get through it. Guys, 579 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: and by the way, trying to box out forces that 580 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: are bad, trying to take over her husband's legacy. 581 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 3: She's been forced to do. 582 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 2: That, right. Absolutely. We mentioned in the last segment that 583 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 2: Nick Fuentess hated Charlie Kirk and the feeling was mutual. 584 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk thought Nick Fuentess was bringing some of the 585 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 2: absolute worst elements in the country out, And yeah, Erica 586 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 2: now needs to preserve TPUSA from that Fuentas wing and 587 00:29:53,840 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 2: finds frequently talks and brags about bringing down TPUSA. So 588 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 2: this is a woman who is not only preserving her family, 589 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 2: having to take care of her children who watched her husband, 590 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 2: as you said, be murdered right in front of her. 591 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 2: She's also somebody who has to protect this organization and 592 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 2: she's doing the best she can. I pray for her, 593 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 2: and we're absolutely not going to stand for any Erica 594 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 2: Kirk bashing. 595 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, one last thought, Kyle Kulinski was perhaps among the 596 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: worst behaved. He is a liberal commentator married to Crystal Ball, 597 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: and he just went on a full day long AI 598 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: disgusting display attacking her for her fake grief for what 599 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: you know, alleging that she was in affairs with people. 600 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: It's so disgusting. It should be counterproductive for their movement 601 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: and anyone making this kind of accusation, and I hope 602 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: that it is. And he got a lot of flak 603 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: for it, but the fact that he kept posting it 604 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: is one of the things I dislike about the Internet, 605 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: which is like more clicks meant more money for him 606 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: for this disgusting stuff. 607 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 2: It's really terrible, and I saw people on the right 608 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 2: also engaging with it. Again, I think it's that same 609 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 2: point as Wing engaging with it and saying, you know, 610 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 2: she's not just appropriately. She needs to humble herself, she 611 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 2: needs to be more modest. I think she should do 612 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 2: whatever she wants to do, especially to get through this 613 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 2: incredibly difficult time. And we are rooting for you, Erica Kirk. 614 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 3: We are indeed Widow Defense over here. 615 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 2: That's right, I'm back up. Well, thanks for joining us 616 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 2: on Normally Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you can 617 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 2: subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. Get in touch with 618 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 2: us at normallythepod at gmail dot com. Thanks for listening, 619 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 2: and when things get weird, act normally