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Speaker 2: Uh, how are you feeling, monsieur. I know you have

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Speaker 2: come down with a serious kit of gout.

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Speaker 3: It's so tired of being president France.

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Speaker 4: It's such a tumultuous time with the war in Algeria.

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Speaker 2: This revolution must be making you very hungry.

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Speaker 5: Weird more.

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Speaker 3: I want another. I am a speak perhaps.

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Speaker 2: I know Miss Giovanne has said, no I speak, But

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Speaker 2: I have made you just a small plate of vill

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Speaker 2: de CAAs covered and something I speak, with a side

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Speaker 2: of cheeses and some Pamela fruit with a small omelet.

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Speaker 3: That is.

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Speaker 4: That I could have like a goose I cream of

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Speaker 2: You know, cream of goose is one of my special ties.

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Speaker 2: But I'm told that will give you cream good.

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Speaker 4: No, no, it's not a food that gives me the god.

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Speaker 4: It is the It is this like yer eevil is

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Speaker 4: on n skimmer the desert.

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Speaker 3: This is the desert. Why why over there? Let emulate

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Speaker 3: it is.

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Speaker 1: This one or.

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Speaker 2: A well?

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Speaker 4: I don't sure bend joy to a rump over my bure,

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Speaker 4: little me spank.

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Speaker 3: Who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends,

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Speaker 3: you filthy horse. Your husband's gone and we've got books

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Speaker 3: and a bottle of wine.

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Speaker 2: Till it's Hollywood.

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Speaker 3: It's books, it's gossip. I'm sure it's memoir, it's martinis.

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Speaker 1: Celebrity Poop Club can read it while it's hot.

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Speaker 3: Celebrity poop Club, tell your secrets. We won't talk celebrity books.

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Speaker 3: No boys are allowed.

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Speaker 6: Celet say it.

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Speaker 2: Buzz me in. I brought the queer.

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Speaker 3: Film Your Best Friend. Oh my god, Well, you guys,

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Speaker 3: it's been an incredible every other summer. Thank you so

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Speaker 3: much for.

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Speaker 6: For living and every other summer with.

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Speaker 3: Us and slowing down and taking stock of life and.

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Speaker 2: Let us know what happened in your hashtag every.

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Speaker 3: Other summer, which is now officially over.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it crazy? Because then September is still like hot?

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Speaker 3: I know, but it's still like back to school.

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Speaker 2: Okay, September resolutions go.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Got in touch with my second cousin?

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Speaker 6: Amazing?

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I actually don't even know what is a second cousin.

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Speaker 3: Is that my cousin's kid?

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Speaker 2: I felt that. Yes.

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Speaker 3: Well, then here's a question, and for you, as someone

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Speaker 3: who is recently engaged and now that's and now it's

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Speaker 2: My cousin's kids are only like babies at this point,

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Speaker 2: or actually the oldest one I think of six. The

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Speaker 2: real question is, because now we do know more people

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Speaker 3: It like one of those like adults only weddings.

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Speaker 2: I think it's just like I'm going to invite kids,

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Speaker 6: Think we know the kids are going to bed at some.

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Speaker 3: Point, I don't think parents want to bring their kids

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Speaker 2: No, But I do think if it's it's fun when

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Speaker 2: because that is what's a wedding.

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Speaker 6: That is so we also like go Tyler, go Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Right, and it's like so flower girl, and it's like

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Speaker 3: some girls are doing the daddy daughter dance, and I'm

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Speaker 2: I've never been to a wedding where it's collective daddy

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Speaker 3: I feel like that's such a thing.

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Speaker 2: At a wedding, it's usually just the one bride dancing

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Speaker 3: No, but then there's a bunch of seven year old girls,

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Speaker 6: I'm not seeing them.

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Speaker 2: That's so creepy. And it's like this full as grooming party.

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Speaker 3: But you know who's not that creepy?

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Speaker 3: Someone who is historical, someone who is, say with me,

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Speaker 2: Literally still alive. So he's historical yet still present.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's our link to the past, which is why

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Speaker 3: we're doing this book. It's kind of an oral history.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of like talk to your elders.

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Speaker 2: It's very school assignment, interview your grandfather, or it's like

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Speaker 3: And that's what we're doing. We're keeping his memory alive.

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Speaker 3: This really famous person who doesn't need us.

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Speaker 2: I actually know, I think he needs us.

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Speaker 3: played in like so many evolutions, one may even say

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Speaker 3: revolutions of cuisine in this country.

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Speaker 2: Cuisine revolution, televised cooking revolution, Yes cookbook, all.

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Speaker 3: Of which led to the moment that we live in today.

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Speaker 2: Which is reels, smashed garlic, potato, parmesan chillie.

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Speaker 3: I like the TikTok era of just like the brazy

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Speaker 2: Me and my husband make a steak salad every Sunday.

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Speaker 1: This Sunday.

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Speaker 2: This is what we're doing. Find the ingredients in the comments.

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Speaker 3: It's a tie. Last, Okay, we we're talking about.

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Speaker 6: Who we're talking about?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 7: No, Then Jacque his book The Pie, My Life in

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Speaker 3: So for those you don't know Ja, you probably will

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Speaker 6: And they're making kind of.

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Speaker 3: It's also interesting because then you you learn more because

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Speaker 3: Period casual snippets.

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Speaker 3: So Jacques Pepin, he's known for this like being this

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Speaker 2: That's just like sounds just so beautiful. He's like she

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Speaker 2: And that's when men were husbands before they were fathers.

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Speaker 2: And you're seeing all your exes at the ridgewood oven

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Speaker 2: What it did was force a great deal of the

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Speaker 3: Not that for istad vibes. You bleeding so odd. The

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Speaker 2: Was open, there wasn't going to be here next time.

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Speaker 3: Okay. This is also him where he's like this crazy

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Speaker 2: I guess it's like so romantic in French because he's nine.

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Speaker 2: It would take baby drinking the pair to be drinking wine,

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Speaker 3: Tasting climatizing to the wine as they're having like dinner

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Speaker 2: And he's always like the dwellers the village prostess and

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Speaker 3: But there's that scene where they like cook the fish

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Speaker 3: I suggested, But we don't have anything to cook them in.

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Speaker 3: And so then they're like, we'll need oil, flour and

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Speaker 2: Bread too, said in French country bread, I'll get you.

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Speaker 3: Don't worry, said Bichon. As he don't go. The little

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Speaker 2: Goes off, runs off, gets flour, butter, bread and like exkillet,

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Speaker 3: Comes back back to the side of the river where

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Speaker 2: So sexy.

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Speaker 3: I know. The vagar was good as good as any

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Speaker 3: and tasted best of all. I cooked them myself. Didn't

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Speaker 3: you like read that. I was like, I've never lived

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Speaker 6: I'm like food experiments.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I remember like grabbing some blueberries from a

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Speaker 6: But no, I don't think.

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Speaker 3: It's also the bravery in the imagination and the you know,

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Speaker 3: Let's go try to find a pan and that will

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Speaker 6: I do you feel like I did?

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Speaker 2: Was fishing with the stick as a child, Okay, like

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Speaker 3: What we're calling did y'all catch?

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Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, it's just you know, we've lost some of

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Speaker 2: Right now, there are some wild, wild boys out there.

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Speaker 3: I guess boys are wild. Maybe it's just like boys

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Speaker 2: Being talking and like they're being like, y'all, we got

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Speaker 3: They're like doing backflips off of roofs or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Make me feel like romantic and like you do need

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Speaker 3: It's just like life is all about restaurants and reservations now,

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Speaker 2: At ten, I was pretty much like still wanting reservations.

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Speaker 3: But he's working in the mom's restaurant. He's like, oh, no, bitch,

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 2: And he hears that and he's like, no, I'm addicted

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Speaker 3: And so he goes to the Grand which is in Bo.

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Speaker 3: And so I looked it up. This Grand Hotel is

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Speaker 3: Isn't that kind of sad?

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Speaker 2: And wait, that's so.

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Speaker 3: So dumpy because he described it was the fanciest hotel

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Speaker 3: actual cook, and something that can only come with experience,

444
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 3: that like the recipe will never teach you. Because I

445
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 3: learned at the Stoba visualizmost I did not in part

446
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 3: much in terms of specific explanation. They said, he allowed

447
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 3: me to look and imitate by touching a piece of meat,

448
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 3: I learned to determine his degree of done. This raw

449
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 3: meat was spongy, well done meat hard. I learned percse

450
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Speaker 3: Haited determinal the stages in between by pushing a finger

451
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Speaker 3: against the surface of meat. Here he was significant too.

452
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 3: The snap of an asparagus spear, the crunch of an apple,

453
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 3: the pop of a grape, or all indicator is a

454
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 3: freshness in quality. I learned to listen to the sizzling

455
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 3: sound of a chicken roasting in the oven. When the

456
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Speaker 3: chicken things, I knew that the lair is a fatic.

457
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Speaker 2: Clarify that part my foul skin started sizzling.

458
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Speaker 3: Now are you good at those like signals?

459
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Speaker 6: I'd say seventy percent of the time.

460
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Speaker 3: I'm right, I'm yeah. I'm just not confident enough.

461
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Speaker 2: I guess with chicken, and I would I mean, I

462
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Speaker 2: would kill to have a rotisseriy spar My home was

463
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 2: spinning rotisseri.

464
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Speaker 3: So scary, dear ladies, you walk in and he's got

465
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Speaker 3: a rotisserie in the kitchen, to your removed wid calling

466
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Speaker 3: the police.

467
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Speaker 2: No, it would be more of like I had a

468
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Speaker 2: yard in my beautiful like let's say.

469
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Speaker 3: Oh, you're thinking more like such a medieval spit.

470
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Speaker 2: That, but you could have a smaller thing. Yeah, no,

471
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 2: if I had some like commercial.

472
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 3: Commercial grade, like kind of small like my dad. We

473
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 3: were grilling tuna recently, maybe summer a few weeks ago

474
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 3: on Nantonka. He knew exactly when it was done by

475
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Speaker 3: touching and being so jac pipin. I was like, he

476
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Speaker 3: was like, I had the girl mons in the side,

477
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 3: but it was like we were doing big steaks right, yeah,

478
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 3: like wanted to be rare on the inside. And he

479
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 3: was like very like, this needs thirty more seconds, this

480
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,479
Speaker 3: needs twenty seconds. And I was like, oh, you really,

481
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 3: you've been around here for a minute.

482
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Speaker 2: What was also really like taught to me in this

483
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 2: book was the fish course. Like he's always doing a

484
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Speaker 2: fish course with chives, and then there is like the

485
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 2: rib ros or like the chicken or the cognac.

486
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Speaker 3: Yeah no, I mean the amount of con and these recipes,

487
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 3: it's crazy.

488
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 2: And on French coricaine, I went to the region where

489
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 2: they make armagnac, the French cog and there's some very

490
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 2: ancient French recipe he talks about, which uses armagnac and ortolan,

491
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 2: which is a very small bird, and there is a

492
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 2: very rich, knotty way of eating it, which is you

493
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: cover yourself in a napkin and cover yourself in a

494
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 2: you basically roast l in armagnac, and it is so naughty.

495
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 2: You literally cover yourself.

496
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 3: So you're putting on like a little ghost outfit with.

497
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Speaker 6: Little so no one sees you because it's like so rich.

498
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 2: And and you cover yourself as you eat this coveredmgnac

499
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 2: and you realize what traditions they have there, they're rich.

500
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 2: Like this book is just so funny because you're like

501
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 2: it is the American verse French thing where it's like

502
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,239
Speaker 2: their food is insanely rich, but everyone talks about how

503
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 2: thin French people are. Is just about long dinners. But

504
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 2: it's like Jacques this whole time, like throughout the whole book,

505
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: he was just like, we just hit a simple country

506
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 2: lunch of veal, selection of cheeses, grapes for dessert, custard

507
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 2: for after dessert, and is.

508
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 3: A white wine cream sauce finished with cream. Everything is

509
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 3: like finished with cream, right, Okay.

510
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 2: So he works his way through all these apprenticeships as a.

511
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 3: Teen and then makes his way like very quickly, honestly,

512
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 3: because he's still quite young. He's his teens. To La

513
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: Plaza at which is still one of the like greatest

514
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 3: restaurants in the world. Al Ducas. Maybe you've heard of him.

515
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 3: I heard of him, was like the executer chef there

516
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 3: like in the nineties and like is dead now, but

517
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 3: like was so kind.

518
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 2: Of like and have you been to the Plaza and

519
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 2: A I have not, Okay, so it's something on your

520
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 2: butt list.

521
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Speaker 6: I just think I thought you've been time.

522
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Speaker 3: Oh, it's definitely a bucket list for me.

523
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: For shore.

524
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 3: My parents did go there recently on their like fiftieth

525
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 3: anniversary trip to Frances.

526
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I saw like the Shutterfly book they made.

527
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 3: It back, okay, where it's like so blown up and pixilated. Anyway,

528
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 3: Tail knows to tail. The brigade system at Plaza Athenay,

529
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 3: so it's so insane. There's like a third Camie, then

530
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 3: second Camie, then first Comitte, and that's all just you're

531
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 3: an assistant and then you spent a year at one

532
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 3: station in this insane kitchen.

533
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: And you have to master that station until you are

534
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 2: moved on from that station. So he started with I

535
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: think just like chopping. Was he even just a chopping

536
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 2: vegetables or was he like cleaning.

537
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah. When a cook had made the rounds

538
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 3: of all stations a second comite, he would move through

539
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 3: all the stations as a first committe. The result was

540
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 3: staff had a tremendous depth a camille and the guard

541
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 3: men at the galmon. Jane knew exactly how to trim

542
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 3: ofveal chop because he had also spent months working at

543
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 3: the elbow of a grill chef who would discarded any

544
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 3: cuts of meat less than perfectly trimmed. But bad cuts

545
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,959
Speaker 3: never reached the grill chef because the comie working the

546
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 3: grill had also worked in the Gavin Molchan and could

547
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 3: whip out a knife and fix any problems on the spot.

548
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Speaker 6: So here's the thing.

549
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 2: And he talks about like Americans. He's like most now,

550
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 2: like you'll just have someone maybe in like the girl

551
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 2: station of the fish station, who masters that. But that's

552
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 2: all they know.

553
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 3: And here you go today the French spaghetti cuisine, it

554
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 3: was diametrically opposite to what often happened in the kid.

555
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 3: Just now in restaurants the United States, where the emphasis

556
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 3: is on specialization, today, the idea is to take someone,

557
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 3: often an immigrant from Latin America, and train him or

558
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 3: her to do one specific task and that's it.

559
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: And that's a way to protect the toxic, tatted male

560
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 2: chef at the head.

561
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,719
Speaker 3: It is and I feel like, you know, Anthony Bourdain

562
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 3: talks about this too. It's like you'll have this Ecuadorian

563
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 3: line cook who's amazing at this one thing, but they're

564
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 3: not empowering these people to learn the other skills and

565
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 3: like become shops and come up in the system. And

566
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 3: they're just like, no, you're gonna sit there. You're going

567
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 3: to batter a fish eight thousand times and that's all

568
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 3: you're ever going to do.

569
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Speaker 2: And the French has this culture of like bring you

570
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Speaker 2: up through the guests.

571
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 3: In skill development. And it's also i think because food

572
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 3: is so part of their culture and it's just such

573
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 3: a deeper part of their history, whereas America it still

574
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 3: doesn't have that.

575
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 2: And it's getting there, right, It's yeah, it's getting there,

576
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 2: and I think that is changing.

577
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is changing. And this is a part of

578
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 3: the new generation of chefs like David Chang and Mario Carbaum.

579
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Speaker 2: Got steven Zo Oracle, so the Bleazza. It was also

580
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 2: a home to many famous people that would.

581
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Speaker 3: Come, oh wait no, but this was oh yes, which

582
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Speaker 3: is this restaurants in the Left Bank that's in the

583
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Speaker 3: fifteenth by mon Balnas, which I've actually been to. It's

584
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 3: very old school that you've been to, yes, and it's

585
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 3: kind of very fancy and touristing now, but back in

586
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 3: the fifties it was like a spot for like intellectuals

587
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 3: and philosophers.

588
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Speaker 2: Basically, this comes to a time where he's now like

589
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: kind of like getting in his knives basically, and like

590
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 2: he's in he gets two days off and he's like

591
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Speaker 2: making eighty bucks a week, and he like.

592
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 3: And he's like selling dummy glass in the black market.

593
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: So fab so like this one restaurant he saw these

594
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: guys literally throwing up bones.

595
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so he's like, no, let's like reduce the

596
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 3: bones further, make a glass and like we're just even

597
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 3: more and then sell that to like other restaurants in

598
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 3: lay all.

599
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: For ten bucks, you know.

600
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Speaker 3: And it was just like everyone knew that that was

601
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 3: like the saucier's side hustle, and like you're allowed as

602
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 3: the saucier to have that side hustle.

603
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Speaker 2: I didn't know that it makes sense that he was

604
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: saying that like to be promoted to Sassier is kind

605
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: of final bus because how you think, Sue, But it's

606
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 2: like you think of the delicacy to make a chame.

607
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 6: So wait, how was your bechamal?

608
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Speaker 3: Okay, so this is what I actually love about Jacques paper.

609
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: So I made a soufle which is basically flour, eggs,

610
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 3: butter and milk, and then I also made a mornai

611
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 3: sauce to go with it, which is not in his recipe.

612
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 3: But we had had that sou flag a few weeks

613
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 3: ago at longer than on in Tucket, and I was like,

614
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 3: I need a morning and so I looked up this recipe.

615
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 3: You had a both have bechamel as at base, and

616
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 3: bechamel is one of the French mother sasas another mada.

617
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Speaker 2: It is all about technique and the win.

618
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: So it's all about technique, and so I Jacques Papa's

619
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Speaker 3: description of how you make the sou flet is He's like,

620
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Speaker 3: so you saute butter on low heat, melts, got a

621
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 3: nice butter in the pan. Melts. Okay, y'all know what'd

622
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: be happening when you be Santan. Then he's like, you

623
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Speaker 3: put in the flour, and he's like, whisk it in

624
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 3: ten seconds, make your roo. Get the flour into the butter.

625
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 3: He's like, and then in one motion you put all

626
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 3: the milk in and it's like two cups of milk

627
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 3: and it doesn't it's not warm, it's cold. It's fine,

628
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 3: it's cold. You put it in and then you just

629
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 3: whisk constantly with the heat on high and it should

630
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 3: become smooth and thick. And it literally did. And I

631
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 3: was like, oh, I didn't have the heat high enough.

632
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 3: Those like a little bit longer, and I just kept whisky,

633
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 3: kept whisky. Trust trust the process, the process, trust time.

634
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 3: And so I did that and it became this perfect

635
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 3: bee milk, no lumps, delicious, amazing. Then I was making

636
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 3: the morning and I was using some recipe on just

637
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: like bitchin wife.

638
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: In Utica.

639
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just like, I'm a Greek sister dot com.

640
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: Well and this is okay. This is the thing of

641
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 2: like where we have our phones and it's easier to

642
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: go to the website to learn abouh of mel when

643
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: it's just like I literally have Craig Clayborn's New York

644
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: Times Cookbook, which has all these sauces and major recipes

645
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: in it. But I find myself going to bitch who

646
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: spends with Pennies dot com right instead of pulling out

647
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: because I'm like, it is this big book and I'm

648
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Speaker 2: finding the pages. Where is it?

649
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 3: Because you just want to google quickly more how do

650
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 3: I make it?

651
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: And then you're shuffling is jumped to rest it and I.

652
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: Go to this fucking bitch with her Pennies. It's way

653
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 3: more complicated. She's like heat up the milk separately, not

654
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 3: to boiling, but to warm, and then slowly add the milk,

655
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: and it like wasn't enough flour. So it was like,

656
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 3: first of all, I had a dough on a row.

657
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 3: It was like already becoming a ball, so I had

658
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 3: to add more butter that I'm adding the milk and

659
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 3: slowly but it's clumping because there's not enough milk. Yeah,

660
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 3: And I'm kind of just like the milk didn't need

661
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 3: to be warm and it didn't need to be little

662
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 3: by little. What I need to do was jocks where

663
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 3: it's like you're just being more legato about it, and

664
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: just like damn confidence and the confidence and he made

665
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 3: me feel confident when he was like do it all

666
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 3: in one motion. Like that's like, well, the.

667
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: Thing about how confident he was also at sixteen, and

668
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: he also like, can I just say to all the

669
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 2: like toxic chefs out there, like this was refreshing because

670
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: this is a non toxic male chef memoir. He literally

671
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: is just talking about himself, like joking in the kitchen,

672
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: but it's also not so insane. He's been like yeah,

673
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: and then the like old French chef at like the

674
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: Plaza de Paul or whatever like bent over. So I

675
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: started like thrusting and like shoving a knife to his ass,

676
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 2: and then he backed it up and I did stab.

677
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: His and I accidentally stabbed him with a parent Yeah,

678
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: and everyone was giggling, and it's like there are highjinks,

679
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 3: like when they like haze him by making him going

680
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 3: to get like a pasta maker, but it's actually cinder blocks,

681
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 3: and he's like running around town Karen cinder blocks.

682
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: And then they're all cackling at him and beautiful and.

683
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 3: Know and that's the kind of like fun that we

684
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 3: love to see.

685
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: We love to see it. But also right, he's not

686
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: like building himself up. Is like it was so crazy,

687
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: like he is being like it was crazy, but he's

688
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: not like making it seem so insane, like these just

689
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: are like, yeah, man, we were raising each other and

690
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: giving each other scars.

691
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he's not just like, yeah, we were all

692
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 3: like jacking off in each other's vows and like fingering

693
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 3: every girl on the walk.

694
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: End. I mean, I guess he is kind of like

695
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: Kookie and Visional, where he's always just been like these

696
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 2: naughty ladies were walking by and I didn't know, and

697
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: they were prostitutes.

698
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: But he is a bit of a virgin. Wait, go

699
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 3: back to the I feel like we didn't didn't So

700
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 3: he's at law ratund.

701
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: Decked out in Taylor made suits that costs far more

702
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: than I could write for the afford. I became a

703
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: regular the in spots. One evening at Cafes and Place

704
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: La Blanche, and older guy asked if we minded taking

705
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: his vacant seat. That's our table. There was nothing unusual

706
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: than this, nor was there anything out of the ordinary

707
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: in this. Immediately joining in the conversation which concerned to

708
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: play we'd recently seen. Our new found companion was a

709
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: wonderful addition to the table. Not only did he spring

710
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: for drinks always welcome, but he spoke eloquently and knowledgeably

711
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 2: about all aspects of the theater. He seemed to know

712
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 2: everybody who was anybody. I listened to him, transfixed to transfix.

713
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: It soon became obvious that he misunderstood my intentions. During

714
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: a load in the conversation, he brushed my arm and

715
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: Gwadity suggested that we depart together. I begged off, and

716
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 2: the evening progressed with the same engrossing conversation, steady flow

717
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 2: of vine. On the way back to the room, I

718
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: kept in a small hotel and rude the obsessing montmart

719
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: Sure that's pronounced pretty wrong, I commented to a friend

720
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: about the stranger. He knew everything about the theater. I said,

721
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: you don't know who that was. I shrugged that my

722
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 2: friend was Jean.

723
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 5: Jeanne oman Dieu, the creator of queer theory.

724
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 3: Yes, the famous the first gay.

725
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 2: Literally the first gay guy like invented you and every

726
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: other like gay guy.

727
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 3: He has this like weird kind of no homo attitude

728
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 3: about gay guys. So Craig Claiborne, the famous New York

729
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 3: Times restaurant critic, who becomes a close friend of his,

730
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 3: and they have all of these like meals out in

731
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 3: the Hampton.

732
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 6: I mean he gets married at Craig Claiborne's.

733
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 3: They're part of this whole like revolution in American dining,

734
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 3: where like the average person is becoming much more interested

735
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 3: in food, et cetera. When he first describes Craig, he goes,

736
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 3: I've been in the country just two weeks from Pierre

737
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 3: Fray instruce me to a friend of his, a dapper,

738
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 3: drawling Mississippi named Craig Claiborne. A graduate of a Swiss

739
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 3: hotel school, Craig was thoroughly trained in classic French cooking

740
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 3: and eager to get to know anyone with a similar background.

741
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 3: Although our ages and upbringings, not to mention sexual orientations,

742
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 3: could not have been more different, could not have been

743
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 3: our interest in all aspects of food durist together. It's like,

744
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 3: oh no, it could. Don't try.

745
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 6: It's very like, oh my god, well just not for me.

746
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 3: But he is so gay and I was so straight.

747
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 3: But there's this.

748
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 2: Idea, but he also is like it is the sixties

749
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: and for a guy who I guess is like literally

750
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,919
Speaker 2: straight and has his all of his best friends are gays.

751
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 3: Well, I don't have all this I feel like it's

752
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 3: most of them, all the Jean Claudes and Jean Pierre's

753
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 3: like are straight. I feel like most of them are

754
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 3: kind of like proto toxic chefs. And there's some games

755
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 3: and then there's crag and a couple of because most

756
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 3: gays were being a little bit more clause to it

757
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 3: back then, or they were in a salon that like

758
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 3: just wasn't really like.

759
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: I feel like also maybe Craig was having his like

760
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 2: French guy nights with like all the gens and they're

761
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 2: coming over and they're making like muscles and like going clamming,

762
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 2: and then the next weekend is like gay guy weekend.

763
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 3: He was definitely having gay guye weekend where they're all

764
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 3: like sniffing whatever, but they're all sniffing bitters whatever whatever

765
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 3: that was of the day. But it's like he's so

766
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 3: kind of virginal. I almost feel like he was virginly

767
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 3: met his wife. He was because he talks about prostitutes

768
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 3: all the time, being like yes, like I tried to

769
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 3: hook up with the prostitute, but then I was like

770
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 3: awkward about.

771
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 2: It because he knows he is like a gooky French

772
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,959
Speaker 2: mon I think, And it's like he could be guy.

773
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: So he has to let you know in the book

774
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: being like and you think.

775
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 3: It's that because his stulanity is not as legible.

776
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 6: He's not like his father.

777
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 3: In the sort of turn of the Lennium America where

778
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 3: he's writing this book. The cratasy writing the book is

779
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 3: like he is kind of like gone draper. He's not

780
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 3: done draper. He's kind of a fancy boy, a dandy.

781
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 2: But he also isn't like his dad and all these

782
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: like French revolutionaries with their big mustaches.

783
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 3: No, he's not so barrel chested. I mean he has kind.

784
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 2: Of like is a Roman face kind of lashie. Yes,

785
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 2: it's a lashing and the long seventies hair.

786
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and his brows are like a little bit like shapely.

787
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's get into this woman that he meets

788
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 2: at Craig's house, who he's like, you probably won't hear

789
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 2: of her, but she was like iconic in her day,

790
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: like the editor of Yeah, and she tells him stop

791
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: wearing European socks, which is so you Basically, he has

792
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 2: these short socks and she's like, don't be a bagot,

793
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: like stop but the short socks. And she tells him

794
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 2: that like his hair shouldn't go over his collar, and

795
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: she's being so like waspy and old. Yeah, but then

796
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: like she is the one who like brings him Julia

797
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: Child's infamous note cards that were to become Master French

798
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: cooking because she's jealousy when he sees.

799
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 3: I wish I'd written this because it's like making things

800
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 3: actually approachable.

801
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 6: And he's like, we didn't have this. Nothing has ever

802
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 6: been written step by step.

803
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 3: But then, as you and I were mentioned earlier, there's

804
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 3: this weird thing where Julia is like not kind of

805
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 3: in the book as much as that would be.

806
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: Right, because they go on to write a book, make

807
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: multiple TV.

808
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 3: Show together, and he kind of references a couple of

809
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 3: things they shot there, like there's this funny time when

810
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 3: she cut her finger, and then like that became dan

811
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 3: Ackroyd's sketch on Esthaal about Julia like making a chicken,

812
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 3: like was blurting everywhere, And basically every time he mentions her,

813
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 3: he manages to work and that she's six three. He's

814
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 3: always just been like she was the giantess of a woman.

815
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 2: He's like Julia enveloped both of us semultaneously in a

816
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: big barrack. This was somewhat awkward if you allow for

817
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: the considerable difference in our heights. You couldn't guess approximately

818
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: where my face fits when she rapped me in her arms,

819
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: and he was like straight in her like big naturals

820
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: and her like denim dress in Cambridge.

821
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: I doesn't I don't sense that there's any animosity there.

822
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 3: But maybe he's just kind of like.

823
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 6: I don't think there was.

824
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: I think he's like Julia is so famous. This is

825
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,479
Speaker 2: my only book. Yeah, I'm not gonna miss my book.

826
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 3: I'm not.

827
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna make I'm gonna make it much more

828
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: about like my cat skills right now than I will

829
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 2: about my friendship. But Julia, Yeah, and his day. Sorry

830
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 2: I didn't know that, Like he revolutionized. Also Howard Johnson's.

831
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, he moved to New York and he gets a

832
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 3: job at a fancy restaurant here, and then like pretty

833
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 3: soon after that he like stages us like walk out,

834
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 3: and then the Union guys are like against the wall.

835
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: This wasn't these full like mafiosos. And he's been like

836
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: these big Athanian men are throwing me against the wall.

837
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 3: All these maraudas are like coming in and like smoking.

838
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 2: And they'll be like you'll work over time, you hear me.

839
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 3: And it's like they're kind of doing the opposite of

840
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 3: what like I thought a union is supposed to do.

841
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was the thing. Then when like

842
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: the mof.

843
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: Where it's like the teamsters are being so.

844
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: Like paid off by the bosses and it's so corrupt and.

845
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 3: Like everything's corrupted. Yeah and everyone else. So he like

846
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 3: couldn't sit you walk up, But they kind of all

847
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 3: left anyway.

848
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 6: They weren't being such like folks like union leader no.

849
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 3: And they weren't like posting their fires being like.

850
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 2: Luckiano like Gabanelli is like posting being like hey, if

851
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: folks want to meet up tonight to talk about the

852
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: walkout at law Provence, we're hosting a meeting in Little literally.

853
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 3: So we get this job working for Howard Johnson's, like

854
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 3: making their like pre frozen food that they serve in

855
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 3: all of their restaurants. For those who don't know, Hojos

856
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 3: is like a hotel chain that like doesn't exist anymore,

857
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 3: but like there's a.

858
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 2: Few Howard Johnson's and but there was this thing called Hojo's,

859
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: which was the restaurant which is like back in the sixties,

860
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 2: Like I think one of like the first like literally

861
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: chains like the Chili's or whatever. We're like a traveling

862
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 2: kookie American road trip. Yeah, you could stop and always

863
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 2: get a meal at a hojo.

864
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 3: And you know, you can get a hot, warm meal

865
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 3: that would feature family at hojos. And it's so kitchen

866
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 3: nightmares because he goes in. He's basically like, what if

867
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 3: we stopped using garlic powder in your soups and started

868
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 3: using meal garlic.

869
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: And there's like some you know, fresh out of a

870
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: hotel school guy who's like, no, no, no, it has

871
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 2: to be efficient.

872
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're doing garlic powder.

873
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: And he's like, no, we're gonna use garlic. And then

874
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 2: everything changes and like the food is good and like

875
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: they make a clam chowder that they serve in every hojo.

876
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 3: And you know it eventually leads to the Revolution of

877
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 3: America cookiing of like leading up to Alice Waters and

878
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 3: ingredeni answer and exciting, But I do like how he

879
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 3: weaves in through so much of the story is like

880
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 3: him letting go of like the intense regimen and all

881
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 3: of the like, yes, necessity is the French cuisy I

882
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 3: was saying, like, you have to do things this way,

883
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 3: and everything has to be like heavy and old and

884
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 3: kind of like embracing what he sees is an American

885
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 3: sense of freedom and liberation.

886
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said this crazy. He was like, you know, Americans,

887
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: even though you think of them as so just like

888
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 2: I want my pizza now. He was like, they're actually

889
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 2: like so much more down to experiment with food than

890
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 2: the French, which is literally true because like.

891
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 3: Yes and no, though, because I also think that there's

892
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 3: this really interesting thing we're talking about the supermarket the ap.

893
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 6: Right with like the brand mushrooms.

894
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 3: Everything was boxed or wrapped in plastic, as if the

895
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 3: contents were something to be ashamed of. Packages, packages, and

896
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: more packages. That I thought was a genesting way of

897
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 3: thinking about it, because obviously packaging is a scorch on society.

898
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 2: But at that time, that was the fifties and the

899
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: sixties of canned And it's like he discovers that you

900
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 2: can only find the meats he wanted at like ethnic markets.

901
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 3: Yes, like and he's like there were no leaks, like

902
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 3: now there are leaks at the supermarket, and like that's true,

903
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 3: but I do still think that like the supermarkets are

904
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 3: overrun with things that are overpackaged.

905
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and goodles or whatever, mac and cheese and everything

906
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 2: has like a thousand I mean, as we were saying,

907
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 2: like everything is like a cheese in a taco now.

908
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like you know, it's like they'll find those

909
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 3: like you know, peppers that come in like a pre

910
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 3: sealed bag, just like green peppers. Oh yeah, you know.

911
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 3: It's just like there's stuff that Trader Joe's and the

912
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 3: Trader Joe's which is like obviously food for babies if

913
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 3: you discussed, and it's like it's what.

914
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 6: You're talking about.

915
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: Also, like the taste because of there's lesser rules in France,

916
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 2: so like the mushrooms you get here are gonna not

917
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: taste as good as maybe the wild the mushroom mu

918
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: gets in France.

919
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

920
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 2: By the time, about the American taste, I do think Americans,

921
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 2: while some are so fast food and like whatever in package,

922
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 2: but I think a lot of Americans are more down

923
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: to taste ten cuisines than the traditional French people these.

924
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 3: Type of cuisines. Yes, but I think what it represents

925
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 3: that I think it's interesting to talk about it in

926
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 3: terms of shame like that the actual food itself in

927
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 3: its pure form is something to be ashamed of. And

928
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 3: that's what Americans are afraid of, because shame is really

929
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 3: a sister of fear, right, and you see that. I

930
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 3: feel like that is deeply American and like there's nothing

931
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 3: more American than like the wind dexed house, the vinyl house,

932
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 3: where like fear of things in their natural raw form

933
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 3: is like something that is like so ingrained in the

934
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 3: American psychics.

935
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 2: So everyone's like someone coming to my house and you know,

936
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,919
Speaker 2: we kept our butter outa you believe.

937
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 3: Right, Yes we're afraid. Yes we're completely afraid.

938
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: Butter is meant to be left out unless you are

939
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: making a pie crust in that way, the butter should

940
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 2: be chilled.

941
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 3: You know. And there we're just terrified of the natural

942
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 3: world a little bit. And I think that comes from

943
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 3: a very American like, you know, let's conquer everything, let's

944
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 3: pave over everything. That's pave over paradise.

945
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think it's basically like the is the

946
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 2: French snobbery of like we're not gonna try this cuisine.

947
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 3: Or like I won't try a fish if it hasn't

948
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 3: been cooked in the exact.

949
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 6: Exactly like Louis the fourteenth recipes.

950
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 3: Yes, and like that's the French snobbery, but there's also

951
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 3: the French appreciation for ingredients, which I still think elludes

952
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 3: the American psyche to some extent. Even though we've had

953
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 3: this incredible revolution over the past thirty years, we're still overpackaged.

954
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 2: I mean probably not even just France. I think it's

955
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 2: most countries have more of an appreciation of ingredients than.

956
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 3: Yes, although I've also seen but it's you know, I

957
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 3: do think that's something like the UK and it's like

958
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 3: so Saints Burns and everything is like pre frozen.

959
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 2: Well it's just right, and you are getting like so

960
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 2: many random frozen.

961
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 3: Things and they're like But I also think that some

962
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 3: of that, like you know, the packaging bonanza, has been

963
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 3: imported around the world, as with McDonald's defied the World,

964
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 3: and like now you go to France and you go

965
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 3: to the supermarket, I think that's remarks are still much

966
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 3: more fabulous than ours.

967
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: But they're being plastic.

968
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 3: There is there's more plastic than there is to be.

969
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 2: But then on the other hand, a few weeks ago

970
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: the McDonald's I went into McDonald's to look at the

971
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: menu like as an anthropologist, and you can buy for a.

972
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 3: Dollar wear in Spain? You did this?

973
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 2: No in Rama, Okay, you can just buy for a

974
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: dollar piece of parmesan. I was a genius.

975
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: McDonald's, McDonald's just mc palm.

976
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 6: Mcparm just a little just.

977
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 3: Like a wedge, a wedge that is really amazing.

978
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, not wedge, Yeah, a little little protein snack mcparm.

979
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 3: Okay, all right. Well, then he invents Halen Hardy, which

980
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 3: is insane. He opens a restaurant Potage.

981
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 6: Is the original soup nazi.

982
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: Did you see the photo of the potajure in here

983
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: with all the tile and it's really fab It's really

984
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 3: like the eighties interior that Instagram account.

985
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 2: No, that's what you want to basically for two twenty

986
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 2: five they make three soups a day.

987
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 3: For two twenty five. You get a soup, you get

988
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 3: a piece of cheese, a side of bread, a drink

989
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 3: of coffee coffee tea, and a dessert of like fruit.

990
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 2: And then if you want wine or beer, that's sixty

991
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 2: cents extra.

992
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

993
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: And it was like we were making so much money

994
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: but money by the way, just sorry. The way he

995
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: meets his wife is so iconic. And like such a

996
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: sixties movie. On the weekend, he becomes like a ski

997
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: instructor at Hunter Ski Mountain and he starts teaching lessons.

998
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, meanwhile, he is like he's already.

999
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 3: Oh and by the way, first of all, he learns

1000
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 3: English at Columbia University, like does night classes, then decides

1001
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: to get his master's in eighteenth century French literature. Just

1002
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 3: fully gets a master That's what.

1003
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 2: Made me feel like I'm not doing it.

1004
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 3: I think it's like and he's just doing it on

1005
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 3: the side of being like a very respected chef who's

1006
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 3: like he's being respected, plays.

1007
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: Literally making American cuisine, like inventing burgers and clamchowder.

1008
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 3: And then you're also just randomly getting masters just for funds.

1009
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 2: This just means you can do anything. You are a

1010
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 2: kookie Frenchman. Well, it's goss to call some boomer stuff

1011
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 2: buy a house for ten dollars, no I know, And

1012
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: it's like, go to Columbia for a dollar.

1013
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 3: You know what. They didn't have to contend with social

1014
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 3: media addiction, thank you, thank you.

1015
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 2: They're killing us because they don't want us to buy

1016
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 2: a house exactly period.

1017
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 3: If it's the disease that we can take their medicine.

1018
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 2: Okay. So he's this woman wants a private lesson from him,

1019
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: and she's married. Lesson yes, and then he's so into her,

1020
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 2: so classic he's mean to her, which then again that

1021
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 2: makes me think he's like a virgin because he's still

1022
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 2: kind of like fourteen year.

1023
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 3: Old and they do this ski lesson. He's nagging her

1024
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 3: so much and just being like no, no.

1025
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 2: But and then like whatever house beautiful woman is like

1026
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: you know she's married, and then she's like she wants

1027
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 2: another lesson and you know she just got separated. So

1028
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 2: his wife was like horny for him, and he says

1029
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 2: they gave him an amazing ski instructure outfit, So I

1030
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 2: do give it up to.

1031
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 3: That because it's like all red or something.

1032
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like so chic and not price ski and

1033
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 6: like whatever.

1034
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: So seventy so second lesson and then he invites her

1035
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: and he like cooks for her, but he cooks her

1036
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 2: like a hojo pre frozen scowl.

1037
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 3: This is this kind of like he's very it like

1038
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 3: trick that he keeps playing on people where they're like,

1039
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 3: oh wow, what a delicious dinner you cooked. And then

1040
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 3: he's like.

1041
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 6: He's also being so shark Tank, being like, yeah, it's

1042
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 6: not it's.

1043
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 3: How Johnson, it's frozen Hojo's, and Laurie's just like this

1044
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 3: is really good and I'm not a super person.

1045
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 2: And I'm going to get this soup into every Sam's Club.

1046
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 3: I know this is super yummy. And how many calories?

1047
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 6: Only four hundred and fifty?

1048
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 2: Wow?

1049
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 3: Wow.

1050
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 2: Anyway, basically, she I think maneuvers it, but they end

1051
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 2: up dating.

1052
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 3: Well, and the ruse is that she's actually really good

1053
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 3: at skin.

1054
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's like she still owes me for two daughters.

1055
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 3: But yeah, they kind of date, and then he's also

1056
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 3: being kind of weird about the dating.

1057
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 2: He's really weird with the dating, where like she's afraid

1058
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 2: to cook for him, so she keeps all these Deli

1059
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 2: meats because she knows he loves the American sandwich and

1060
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: like music, but Deli means really expensive.

1061
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of I don't know all of that logic.

1062
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 3: And then he was like, but I would make sandwiches.

1063
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: I think he was like, she knew I would just

1064
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 2: make a sandwich so she didn't have to cook for me,

1065
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 2: and like impress me. But if she gave me salami,

1066
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: I would just like make myself this epic sandwich.

1067
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 3: But then it's like they are cooking and she is

1068
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 3: making like scallops.

1069
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: But only after they've like figured out how to truly

1070
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 2: like be a couple and communicate and.

1071
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 3: Cook in the kitchen. I mean, which is a lifelong

1072
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,959
Speaker 3: I think journey that couples take is finding your rhythm

1073
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 3: in the kitchen. And he does say accurately, I think

1074
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 3: the person who's less experience will feel a little bit

1075
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 3: like intimidated by them, and.

1076
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 6: He was like a power dynamic can ruin a relationship.

1077
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 3: Andy'lso want to step aside, or they'll resent the more

1078
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 3: experienced person. But then like with the more experienced person

1079
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 3: resent the less experience person for not learning enough or

1080
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 3: participating enough.

1081
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 2: Or because they're like, oh, well you're just gonna be

1082
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 2: mad to let me step out. But also like sometimes

1083
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 2: you're in a mood to cook together, yeah, and sometimes

1084
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 2: you're like I just want to make this and like

1085
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: be more presenting it.

1086
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're very I feel like we're a little more

1087
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 3: switch off, and like we kind of like to surprise

1088
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 3: each other with the final dish, like as a gesture,

1089
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 3: as a romantic gesture. So there is a lot of

1090
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 3: just like get out of here, like don't look at this,

1091
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 3: but then sometimes it's like I need to to shop

1092
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 3: this onion. Right.

1093
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 2: Honestly, I think the way we do is we just

1094
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 2: kind of kind of at the beginning, like Melodie like

1095
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make you with this ground rules before we

1096
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: had yeah, it was lesbian communication. But then if it's like, oh,

1097
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 2: let's learn how to make this like Chinese pull noodle

1098
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: together as an activity. Right right hour two, I just

1099
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 2: have to say this.

1100
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 6: They've renovated two homes.

1101
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 2: His daughter is like, I read like the head of

1102
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 2: the wine program for like a cruise company.

1103
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 3: Oh Claudine, yeah wait, that's so hojo of her. Yes,

1104
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 3: but she's like, I'm revolutionizing cruise beverage.

1105
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 2: And then they they had a show together and he

1106
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 2: was being so like, oh.

1107
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,280
Speaker 3: He was being so daddy daughter dance right.

1108
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 2: Extremely down to generate, and he was like, oh, I'm

1109
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 2: sure the producers are gonna like think our chemistry is

1110
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 2: too warm and hate it and they're gonna want more Jacques.

1111
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 2: But then actually, like the ratings show that they love

1112
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 2: seeing this friendly French father cook.

1113
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 3: Right. Wait, there's this part where he is like talking

1114
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 3: about how nouvelle cuisine like could become bad. So like

1115
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 3: nouvelle cuisine basically being like the revolution of like the seventies,

1116
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 3: where it was like everything doesn't need to be like

1117
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 3: a Morne, like browning browning and cream and butter and

1118
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 3: flour in like this old fashioned way, and like things

1119
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 3: could be juicier and newer and lighter and more lemonade.

1120
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:40,479
Speaker 2: And I think it also means like creating your own dishes. Yes,

1121
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: his French is very traditional.

1122
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 3: But then he like talks about how like also nouvelle

1123
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 3: cuisine could like become kind of stayed in its ways

1124
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 3: and become bad in its own way. Goes well. Used

1125
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 3: to be called ironically cuisine de palas so tail food

1126
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 3: in France and continental food in the United States. Boring repetitious dishes,

1127
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 3: often involving thick sauces, pale and overcoaked vegetables and potatoes

1128
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 3: piped around the periphery of the plate, was replaced by

1129
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 3: bad nouvelle cuisine. Paper thin slices of meat fanned out

1130
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 3: in the middle of an oversized plate and surrounded by

1131
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 3: eight types of undercooked baby vegetables and three different over

1132
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 3: reduced sauces finished with butter with a slice of exotic

1133
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 3: fruit or few raspbers on top, which is so like

1134
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 3: the balsamic drizzle of it all of like ninety eighties

1135
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 3: and nineties cuisine of like the plates could not be huger.

1136
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 3: You're getting saut over reduced just like this thick balsamac.

1137
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: Because I think it was like the revolution against where

1138
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 2: everything is so rich and they're like, actually, we're really godmice,

1139
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 2: so we're going to give you a tiny, tiny piece.

1140
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 3: Yea meat on a massive plate, and like we're.

1141
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 2: Still in massive plates, small food, but we're also now

1142
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 2: in like family, we're in family style and handhelds.

1143
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 3: I would almost say we're now in like small plates small.

1144
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 6: Well because the plate is smaller in the well.

1145
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 3: When you think about like the shareable small plates revolution

1146
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 3: that we currently live in, of everything Mediterranean inflected like

1147
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 3: chili flex and everything is like pickled fennel and fennel pickle,

1148
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 3: It's like everything is so over salted and like under

1149
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 3: everything and it's everything is just like it's almost like

1150
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 3: the epidemic of a laziness where they're just like, oh,

1151
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 3: do you want to get the pickled fannel. Yeah, so

1152
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 3: it's three sites is a sourced fennel, and on that

1153
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 3: we have raised pepper and you're kind of like what

1154
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 3: you just put pepper on a slice of fennel with

1155
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 3: vegetable sides and then you just put like a ton

1156
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 3: of salt on it or.

1157
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 2: Now where it mean like it's like family size and

1158
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 2: it's been like a fusion tie chili pepper, like Korean

1159
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 2: fried chicken, like massive plate. So it's like that's where

1160
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 2: Americans are morenmenting too much to close out on Jappa

1161
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 2: Penn Basically to me, him and Julia are what kind

1162
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 2: of like Aina and Alison are today in this way

1163
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 2: where it's like they are a little more like a

1164
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 2: chef for the person at home and they have cookbooks

1165
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 2: and like he is more kitchen but it's like about

1166
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 2: this like friendly you can do it at home, but

1167
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 2: also like a lifestyle of like being in a rustic

1168
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 2: kitchen and like having wine with friends.

1169
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 3: And being hanging pots and slowing down and.

1170
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 2: Like going fishing at seven. He says in this book

1171
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 2: he wakes up so late and again not in like

1172
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,240
Speaker 2: this crazy whiskey way, and I kind of like sleepy

1173
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 2: Frenchman way.

1174
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 3: And like even though Julia and Jock like they shot

1175
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 3: in studio WGBH, like it's still so like down home

1176
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 3: and sweet and adorable.

1177
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 2: And like all these random cats in the background of

1178
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 2: the show.

1179
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 3: Like really cooking, and it's it doesn't feel like Rachel Raggiata,

1180
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 3: like a lot of the post them the whole like

1181
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 3: TV Revolution said.

1182
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 6: Revolution well because at the beginning, because that.

1183
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 3: Has inauthenticity to it, But that was so fun.

1184
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 2: It's moment of being nineties and everything being so like

1185
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 2: thirty minutes. Yeah, and now I think we're going back

1186
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 2: to like actual hour of.

1187
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 3: It all, yeah, and enjoying the process. And I feel

1188
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 3: like Alison just recently, like on a new edition of

1189
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 3: her recently relaunched home movies YouTube show The Row, it

1190
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 3: was like, it's going to take a while to like

1191
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 3: cut the onions just subtle in because like this is

1192
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 3: the vibe. It's not so thirty minute A lie.

1193
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 2: Of the nineties food Network stuff is everything was already

1194
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 2: in its mizenplaus so made you think you're not going

1195
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 2: to be spending honestly forty seven messy minutes, right and stuff.

1196
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 3: It's like, well, sorry, there was a whole team doing

1197
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 3: the Muslim plas and it's like busy moms don't.

1198
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 2: Before we moved to segments. One moment of the rustic

1199
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 2: upstate of it All. He goes to buy ducks, and

1200
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 2: the hippie selling the ducks thinks he's going to give

1201
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 2: the duck as a pet to his daughter, and then

1202
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 2: he snaps the neck of the duck in front of

1203
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 2: her and she's like, you're a monster.

1204
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 3: Stuff.

1205
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 2: And he's been like, what did plump pa?

1206
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: What's the perfect mea for November?

1207
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 3: I left murder? She was just selling them as like pets.

1208
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 6: I guess this is weird anyway. I guess for like

1209
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 6: if your pond, like, oh, put them on your pond.

1210
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of just like, well, why don't you

1211
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 3: want them?

1212
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 2: Are you selling ducks?

1213
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 3: You're selling ducks?

1214
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 2: Hashtag? Why are you selling ducks?

1215
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 3: She's in how does she eat?

1216
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 2: What did she wear?

1217
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 3: What does We've kind of talked about what he eats.

1218
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 6: We talked about what he eats.

1219
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 2: He's very I'm using old tile from like Howard Johnson's

1220
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 2: which I loved.

1221
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's forging for mushrooms and like it's always

1222
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 3: snout to tail and we're finny fish in the river

1223
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 3: or upstate and we're grilling them and we're poaching his

1224
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,919
Speaker 3: wife girls in a basket that like I got from

1225
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 3: a fire sale of like a restaurant that was closing.

1226
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 6: It snos to tail a decoration.

1227
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 2: I do think at the end of the day is

1228
00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 2: probably pretty like comfy nineties French cunt tree side in

1229
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 2: the living room, and I think it's a really small TV.

1230
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 3: I think the TV could not be smaller. I think

1231
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 3: it's it's like a lot of reds, kind of red colors,

1232
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 3: like deep couch.

1233
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 2: I feel like there are paintings like that he got

1234
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 2: from Craig Claiborne after he died.

1235
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but maybe there's also some just like eighteenth century

1236
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 3: French landscapes.

1237
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 2: Definitely sorry tile in the living room, carpeted.

1238
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 3: Bedroom, tie in the living room.

1239
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, in kind of like a coastal way, because his

1240
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 2: house in the coastal Connecticut and it's like sand is

1241
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 2: getting on it.

1242
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1243
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 6: I do think a red burgundy.

1244
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 3: Or almost in like a Marseilles way where they have

1245
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 3: that sagon skin hot sagonal terracotta tile that could actually

1246
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 3: be real skin. Living room. I love that. What does

1247
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 3: he wear. I'm just always picturing there's like a little

1248
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,919
Speaker 3: like neckerchief because he's so fucking gay. You know, he's

1249
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 3: like I feel like he's he was always saying he's

1250
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 3: not good.

1251
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 2: Younger style was really cool and it was like big

1252
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 2: seventies collars, and he is always like happy when he

1253
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 2: gets like a cool uniform.

1254
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he gets like a brand new chef's uniform

1255
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,479
Speaker 3: of like starched pants and suspenders and chef white.

1256
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 2: But I think he was kind of like leisure suit

1257
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 2: and like big, like polka dotted seventies shirt.

1258
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 3: But there's something like about his shirts that's always like

1259
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 3: a little bit loose because he needs movement.

1260
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, they're not tight.

1261
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 2: And I think his ninety style is very just like

1262
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 2: blue van Heusen button. But I appreciate periellus.

1263
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 3: I think it was more periolous. In this FanHouse. I

1264
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 3: think he was like being because it's lininy. Like if

1265
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 3: he is T shirt, he's T shirt in like a

1266
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 3: old Levi's way.

1267
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 6: I can't even imagine he's not my T shirt.

1268
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 3: I could picture him in like a white tea shirt,

1269
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 3: a soft old white tea hot in like a French way,

1270
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 3: in like a mime way right, like stripes. Maybe yes,

1271
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 3: maybe being.

1272
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 2: So literally the baron is in the white I think he.

1273
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 3: Could be the bear and the white teeth. He's certainly

1274
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 3: not in like an under armour like wick away.

1275
00:59:58,400 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 6: Anyone's thinking he's in a.

1276
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 3: Way nerved away.

1277
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 6: I think it's he's.

1278
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 3: Not wearing something that says like the Minnesota Bears or whatever.

1279
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 2: He's mostly in a button downe, in black slacks and

1280
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 2: like weird French loafers.

1281
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 3: But then in this dad way, maybe he could be

1282
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 3: in a Minnesota Bear. It's like kind of thick beefy

1283
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 3: tea that like someone left behind for a weekend.

1284
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 6: It's way more like marathon food.

1285
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 3: Like that's what I'm saying, Like my dad might be

1286
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 3: in a random like because my dad's wearing like a

1287
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 3: Boston Strong tea.

1288
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 2: He's not in a Boston trunk. He's in a nineteen

1289
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 2: ninety six taste of Denver shirt. If there is a

1290
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 2: thrash tya, it's a taste of Denver period.

1291
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 3: Okay, Denver tea spoof. Who are you in the book?

1292
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 3: Obviously I'm Craig Claiborne. I'm so terrified of becoming Craig Claiborne.

1293
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 2: I'm so sad, so sad at the end, So this

1294
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 2: is so sad. In the book, he talks about how

1295
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 2: amazing Craig is and then talks about how cranking alcoholic

1296
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 2: and like the gay shame and he came out with

1297
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 2: this book about his abuse and in his pant but

1298
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 2: he's like people forgot the real Craig.

1299
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 3: I mean that is the worst part. Not only like

1300
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 3: he came up with a memoir about his childhood sexual

1301
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 3: abuse and it was panned, and he's like a New

1302
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 3: York Times critic and had a sexual abuse more panned.

1303
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 6: Oh, He's like you, no one knew him.

1304
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 2: And then this summer I read the no Fronk collection

1305
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 2: of essays Wildflower a the Orgy, and she has this

1306
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 2: whole essay about like, what a huge cunt Craig Clay.

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Speaker 3: He started being a bitched everyone. He was like getting

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Speaker 3: wheeled around in his wheelchair and like drinking Scotch at

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Speaker 3: like the paragrd and like not having the trade.

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Speaker 2: And being like, oh they make a horrible soup.

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Speaker 6: Fly here and get me another Scotch.

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Speaker 3: And as Jacques says, clinging to his Hampton's home, that

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Speaker 3: he wouldn't even visit anymore because of his health. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's it is the worst nightmare, and I mean it.

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Speaker 2: Said we're of a different time, the shame that Craig

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Speaker 2: was living with.

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Speaker 3: I just fear becoming so bitter.

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Speaker 6: Well then don't I think you have a choice.

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Speaker 3: But it's like, do you know it's happening? When it's happening,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: I think someone has to be there to say stop

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Speaker 2: being better.

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Speaker 3: So I'll guess I want you to stop me.

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Speaker 2: I think I honestly, I feel like I am kind

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Speaker 2: of shocked, and I'm like walking through Times Square being

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Speaker 2: the way sandwiches.

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Speaker 3: Or I had the pistr me.

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Speaker 2: It was amazing. Yeah, I don't know if I'm getting

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Speaker 2: my night thesis.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you're not getting your master's in the eighteenth centre.

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Speaker 3: But I could doors always doors open.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 6: I rate this book on this way.

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Speaker 2: It was such a bell reading it, and ilen so

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Speaker 2: much about history of America and French. There were some

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Speaker 2: gaps in it, so I give it to four cognacs

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Speaker 2: out of five.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I give it four like creamed goose liver, stuffed

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Speaker 3: rabbit entrails out of five. Just because it was very insightful.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciated how like not boring.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 3: Incredibly vibrant descriptions of food and history woven together. It

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Speaker 3: was maybe not as self introspective as I was maybe hoping.

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Speaker 2: No, But I guess it's like when he had to

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01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 2: introspect on food so much that it's like he didn't

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Speaker 2: have the time to introspect on himself.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And but I think it's a great lesson because

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Speaker 3: he seems so happy and he's literally ninety years old

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Speaker 3: and he's still like cooking. So it's kind of like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's the key to life, you know, you don't focus

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01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 3: on yourself so much. Catch fish and he.

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Speaker 2: Kind of talks about all these people being like spiraling

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Speaker 2: and he at the end and he's just being like

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Speaker 2: dumbdy dumb. Here's the thing about me. I love squab,

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Speaker 2: but so I also a lot of like mushrooms and

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Speaker 2: you're like, okay, periods with him just like catching more

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Speaker 2: fish and eating it.

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Speaker 3: I don't see Iraq huge rack love you.

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Speaker 6: I love you, and make them all go make a bonnet.

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Speaker 3: Go makeup, make any best.

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