WEBVTT - The First Day of School 

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<v Speaker 1>I was sitting on the sea wall.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't see the way coming.

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<v Speaker 1>It just pushed me off, and I thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>something else that way. I thought it was like a monster.

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<v Speaker 1>My grandmother told me to come to the church. So

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<v Speaker 1>I read here and sit washing, everybody yelling, washing, the

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<v Speaker 1>babies drying, and it was not good.

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<v Speaker 3>What can you do to go up with each impact

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<v Speaker 3>of climate change?

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<v Speaker 4>I think the best thing I learned is to do

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<v Speaker 4>an action plan. And so I'm dedicated to this place,

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<v Speaker 4>like I was destined to be in this place.

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<v Speaker 5>That's why I'm gonna stay here.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not gonna leave. I'm gonna stay watched, even if

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<v Speaker 4>it means to try.

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<v Speaker 6>The effects were already very visible because we were doing

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<v Speaker 6>a film, so we wanted to capture it. So while

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<v Speaker 6>we were there, we talked to all these kids and

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<v Speaker 6>we were really struck by how much they knew about

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<v Speaker 6>climate change, Like they were more conversant in the causes

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<v Speaker 6>and effects of climate change than like most adults that

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<v Speaker 6>I know.

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<v Speaker 5>This is Katie Worth. She's a reporter for Frontline and

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<v Speaker 5>this project she did on the Marshall Islands is really incredible.

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<v Speaker 5>It's super interactive, very immersive, super interesting project. I'll link

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<v Speaker 5>to it in the show notes, but for our purposes today,

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<v Speaker 5>this thing she said about how even really little kids

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<v Speaker 5>in the Marshall Islands were pretty knowledgeable and conversant about

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<v Speaker 5>climate change. It really struck me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty sure that I didn't even learn half of

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<v Speaker 3>what those kids said until I was like well into

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<v Speaker 3>my career as a climate reporter.

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<v Speaker 5>Darna Nor, welcome to Drilled.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm excited to be here.

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<v Speaker 5>If you don't already know. Darna is a climate reporter

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<v Speaker 5>for Earther, that's giz Moto's climate and justice site. She

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<v Speaker 5>and I have been working together the past few months

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<v Speaker 5>to pull together this series about the fossil fuel industry's

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<v Speaker 5>influence on education in America, particularly when it comes to

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<v Speaker 5>how we think about solutions to climate change. We're calling

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<v Speaker 5>it the ABC's of Big Oil. So back to the

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<v Speaker 5>Marshall Islands. That trip a few years ago prompted Frontline

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<v Speaker 5>reporter Katie Worth to want to look into what American

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<v Speaker 5>kids know about climate change. Oh man, and aren't there.

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<v Speaker 3>Like a ton of Marshall Islands refugees here in the

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<v Speaker 3>US too, in Arkansas and Oklahoma?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah? Yeah, both So Katie went to some schools in Arkansas,

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<v Speaker 5>where there's a large Marshallese population, to see what American

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<v Speaker 5>kids are learning there about climate change, and also to

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<v Speaker 5>kind of get a sense of, Okay, if these kids

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<v Speaker 5>on the Marshall Islands were to leave there and go

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<v Speaker 5>to one of these communities in the US, what would

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<v Speaker 5>those same kids be learning here. She was expecting them

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<v Speaker 5>to know less, but she was not prepared for them

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<v Speaker 5>to be steeped in climate denial.

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<v Speaker 6>We went to Springdale, Arkansas to visit some schools there

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<v Speaker 6>because of this connection to the Marshall Islands, because it's

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<v Speaker 6>such a large marshal Leze community in Springdale. And so

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<v Speaker 6>I went and visited a few different schools, and one

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<v Speaker 6>of them was a middle school, and I started talking

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<v Speaker 6>to the science teachers and in walks this lobbyist for

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<v Speaker 6>the oil and gas industry.

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<v Speaker 5>Katie actually shared some of the audios she recorded during

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<v Speaker 5>non physic part.

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<v Speaker 7>Of the way we are made in the demand for

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<v Speaker 7>more energy here in the United States is we've had

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<v Speaker 7>some transformative of technological advances. It used to be then

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<v Speaker 7>in a section we would drill thirty six holls straight

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<v Speaker 7>down the draft, thousands of feet in the early two thousands,

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<v Speaker 7>an engineer from Texas, George Mitchell, and then at the

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<v Speaker 7>drilling loder that would go down thousands of feet and

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<v Speaker 7>turn out horizontally or laterally, they call it kicking out.

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<v Speaker 7>Today we have wells that kick out up to two miles.

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<v Speaker 7>So when he did that, that changed everything. They combined

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<v Speaker 7>horizontal drilling with something we've been doing.

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<v Speaker 3>For a long time, hydro All Oh my god, that's unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 3>But we've been hearing about this sort of thing, right

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<v Speaker 3>Natural Gas Company is heading out pamphlets and schools sending

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<v Speaker 3>people out to talk to the youth.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, totally, but usually they focus on either how

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<v Speaker 5>great it is to work the oil and gas industry

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<v Speaker 5>or on skewing the science in some way. Katie ended

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<v Speaker 5>up writing about how American schools teach climate change in

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<v Speaker 5>her new book, Miseducation, and she included something from this

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<v Speaker 5>woman's presentation that really just floored me, especially when you

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<v Speaker 5>keep in mind that this was a seventh grade class.

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<v Speaker 6>A lot of what she was talking about was kind

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<v Speaker 6>of legitimate information, like, you know, how oil is taken

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<v Speaker 6>from the ground and the machinery that does that, and

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<v Speaker 6>kind of the geology of it all. But then she

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<v Speaker 6>got into talking about carbon emissions, and she didn't really

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<v Speaker 6>explain what carbon emissions were. She didn't explain why they

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<v Speaker 6>might be a problem. She said that it would be

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<v Speaker 6>a problem, but she didn't explain anything about global warming

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<v Speaker 6>or climate change. But instead immediate immediately launched into this

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<v Speaker 6>list of all the problems that exist with all of

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<v Speaker 6>the different fuels. So, like's solar. If it's cloudy, you

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<v Speaker 6>don't get energy, and wind mills kill birds and so on.

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<v Speaker 5>Here's that part of the lobbyist presentation.

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<v Speaker 7>But with any source, I mean, like this problems with

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<v Speaker 7>fossil fuels in terms of carbonission.

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<v Speaker 8>There's problems with all these energies.

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<v Speaker 7>Sort of, somebody's gonna have a problem with it.

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<v Speaker 9>Uh.

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<v Speaker 7>Geofile powers right, super expensive. The parts of the layer

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<v Speaker 7>that they did works really wet, but it's expensive.

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<v Speaker 10>Solar.

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<v Speaker 7>The p what that the materials they use to make

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<v Speaker 7>solar caws some sometime when you have a chance to

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<v Speaker 7>look up rare earth minerals.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice, some of those some of these space.

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<v Speaker 7>They make them with are not things that you would

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<v Speaker 7>want laying around in your yap. Another thing, solar is

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<v Speaker 7>a tornado, what happens the.

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<v Speaker 8>Solar feeling, So.

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<v Speaker 11>Wind power lot invent.

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<v Speaker 7>Because I say it's burked that. You know, there's somebodys

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<v Speaker 7>have a problem, don't lot haital powers.

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<v Speaker 12>I'd say that we shouldn't be damn.

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<v Speaker 5>About bodies and lot luck of them on biomass.

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<v Speaker 7>Because I said we shouldn't be growing food for fuel

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<v Speaker 7>when they are people starting on there. So you're gonna

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<v Speaker 7>find a problem in any.

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<v Speaker 1>One of these sources.

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<v Speaker 6>And then she talks about how important fossil fuels are

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<v Speaker 6>to the world and how how they've lifted people out

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<v Speaker 6>of poverty, and if we stop using fossil fuels, we'll

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<v Speaker 6>leave a whole bunch of people in poverty, according to her,

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<v Speaker 6>which is not supported by evidence, but you know that

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<v Speaker 6>was the narrative that she was telling. So she was

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<v Speaker 6>talking about how when you're considering energy, you have to

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<v Speaker 6>do some thinking about your value. She says, first of all,

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<v Speaker 6>you need to decide your standard of value. You need

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<v Speaker 6>to decide is human life the most important? Humans getting healthier, wealthier, happier,

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<v Speaker 6>living longer, or is prison team nature more important? Do

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<v Speaker 6>you want to quit building new houses, stop getting stuff

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<v Speaker 6>out of the ground, do we want to leave it

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<v Speaker 6>exactly as it is, because that would be difficult. Thankfully,

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<v Speaker 6>we don't have to choose in this country. We are

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<v Speaker 6>working in a happy medium at this point.

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<v Speaker 3>A happy medium. Tell that to all the people evacuating

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<v Speaker 3>hurricanes and fires and floods this year. And this really

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<v Speaker 3>gets to the heart of what we wanted to focus

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<v Speaker 3>on in this series, because you're right, we know a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit about how oil companies try to shape the

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<v Speaker 3>way kids understand the problem and the science, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>really bad. But then there's this other thing that seems

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<v Speaker 3>so much more insidious and potentially like an even bigger problem.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, exactly, this way the industry positions itself in the

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<v Speaker 5>world and in people's lives and in the economy, and

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<v Speaker 5>the way it tries to frame what is or isn't possible.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like all the solutions to climate change have been

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<v Speaker 5>narrowed before we even start.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's what we're to look at in this series.

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<v Speaker 3>Why and how the fossil fuel industry invaded social science

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<v Speaker 3>curricula and what impact that's had on how Americans approached

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<v Speaker 3>these big problems like climate change and how to stop

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<v Speaker 3>climate change.

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<v Speaker 5>Over the next four episodes will trace the industry's influence

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<v Speaker 5>from elementary schools through to universities. But first, how did

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<v Speaker 5>the fossil fuel industry get into schools in the first place.

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<v Speaker 5>That's today's story coming up after this quick break.

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<v Speaker 9>And using the magic of research. Oil companies compete with

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<v Speaker 9>each other in taking the petroleum molecular parts and real

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<v Speaker 9>arranging it into where you name it. Fabriaks, tooth brushes, tires, insecticides, cosmetics, wheatkillers,

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<v Speaker 9>a whole galaxy of things to make a better life

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<v Speaker 9>on earth.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know it isn't just oil.

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<v Speaker 9>Companies that try to outdo each other competing for the

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<v Speaker 9>customer's dollar. The same story is true of almost every

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<v Speaker 9>successful business enterprise in America.

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<v Speaker 13>Some of the miracles of petroleum are familiar to us. All.

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<v Speaker 13>We know, for instance, that oil made possible one of

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<v Speaker 13>the greatest inventions of history, the internal combustion engine, which

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<v Speaker 13>gave us mastery over the air, meant mass transportation for

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<v Speaker 13>the world, changed, the face of continence quickened, the very

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<v Speaker 13>pulse of civilization provided man with an ease of living.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the magic barrel of your life, and we've opened

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<v Speaker 2>it so we can show you some of the modern

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<v Speaker 2>day miracles that it contains.

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<v Speaker 5>That were made with the.

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<v Speaker 2>Help of petro chemicals, which means chemicals from petroleum.

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<v Speaker 5>The nineteen fifties were a real heyday for corporate sponsored

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<v Speaker 5>pro capitalist infotainment. That last one there was called the

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<v Speaker 5>Magic Barrel. It's an early example of an industry funded

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<v Speaker 5>curriculum used in schools. It was actually a partnership between

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<v Speaker 5>DuPont and the American Petroleum Institute to promote petro chemicals.

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<v Speaker 5>The barrel in question is actually an oil barrel. Magic

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<v Speaker 5>but you can hear a common thread through all of

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<v Speaker 5>these that links oil to capitalism and American idea entity

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<v Speaker 5>and reminds you that your entire life revolves around this stuff.

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<v Speaker 12>There are very interesting common themes. You know, energy is

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<v Speaker 12>vital to your life. Your whole existence is dependent on energy.

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<v Speaker 12>You better love us, we make energy for you. That's

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<v Speaker 12>super effective to show somebody, whether they are conscious of

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<v Speaker 12>it or not, how much they're dependent on fossil fuels.

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<v Speaker 3>That's Kurt Davies, and he's the founder and director of

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<v Speaker 3>the Climate Investigation Center. He spent the last twenty years

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<v Speaker 3>or so researching fossil fuel propaganda, and he's found a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of it in schools. One thing case that he's

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<v Speaker 3>noticed is that oil companies and industry groups like the

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<v Speaker 3>American Petroleum Institute will often combine a curriculum package that's

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<v Speaker 3>targeted at kids with these ad campaigns that are meant

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<v Speaker 3>for their parents.

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<v Speaker 12>So that the ad campaigns that are aimed at the

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<v Speaker 12>parents through whether it's American Petroleum Institute or Exxon broadcasting

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<v Speaker 12>during sporting events, mimic or mirror what we see in

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<v Speaker 12>these curricula packages of showing how how cool energy is,

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<v Speaker 12>how it creates jobs, how it's the lifeblood of our economy,

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<v Speaker 12>how we can't live without it, and how changing that

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<v Speaker 12>would hurt you.

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<v Speaker 5>There are some early examples in the nineteen forties of

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<v Speaker 5>Standard Oil and the American Petroleum Institute sending materials to

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<v Speaker 5>schools that are very pro oil and pro industry, but

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<v Speaker 5>the practice seems to have really ramped up during the

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<v Speaker 5>Cold War in the nineteen fifties, when the industry felt

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<v Speaker 5>the need to remind Americans over and over again how

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<v Speaker 5>prosperous and happy oil and capitalism had made them. Then

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<v Speaker 5>you see this same sort of messaging explode again in

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<v Speaker 5>the nineteen seventies as a reaction to the social movements

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<v Speaker 5>of the nineteen sixties. There's this incredible series that Phillips

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<v Speaker 5>Petroleum commissioned called American Enterprise.

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<v Speaker 14>When we needed coal and iron, the raw materials of

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<v Speaker 14>the Industrial Revolution, we had them right under our feet.

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<v Speaker 5>There were huge It came out in the nineteen seventies

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<v Speaker 5>and it's hosted by William Shatner, and it just kind

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<v Speaker 5>of very subtly and persistently delivers this message that America

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<v Speaker 5>is great because of extraction and capitalism.

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<v Speaker 14>Sources here in our backyard. When we needed petroleum, we

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<v Speaker 14>had it, black gold in Pennsylvania and the Southwest. When

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<v Speaker 14>we needed uranium for nuclear power, we had it. Our

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<v Speaker 14>hills hold enough to last for centuries. The land has

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<v Speaker 14>provided on a grand scale. This open pit copper mine

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<v Speaker 14>and Utah you're looking at is so large you can

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<v Speaker 14>see it from the moon. Thanks to the Earth's bounty,

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<v Speaker 14>we've increased and multiplied at a rate unmatched by any

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<v Speaker 14>nation in history.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that whole series is really something, and not just

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<v Speaker 3>because you hear William Shatner's voice in it so much.

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<v Speaker 3>And we know from marketing reports that this was sent

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<v Speaker 3>out to more than half of America. At high schools

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<v Speaker 3>in the nineteen seventies. Obviously that wasn't the only thing

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<v Speaker 3>that people were learning about in terms of economics or

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<v Speaker 3>politics or natural resources in high school, I hope. But

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<v Speaker 3>that's still a lot of people who are getting the

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<v Speaker 3>same narratives that you now hear really often in response

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<v Speaker 3>to climate policy proposals.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so, okay, you see this pattern throughout history where

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<v Speaker 5>the industry steps up certain types of curricula when they

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<v Speaker 5>feel ideologically threatened, and there are lots of reasons they

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<v Speaker 5>might want to have a hand in shaping the minds

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<v Speaker 5>of future voters and politicians. But why would schools go along.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we kind of heard the same thing from everyone.

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<v Speaker 12>Education's underfunded, so that's a vulnerability.

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<v Speaker 6>I remember talking to one person who was like, look,

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<v Speaker 6>I barely have three minutes in the day to pee,

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<v Speaker 6>So if somebody sends me this lesson plan and it's

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<v Speaker 6>like really well produced and looks very professional, I might

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<v Speaker 6>use it.

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<v Speaker 12>So these people who make their own curriculum take advantage

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<v Speaker 12>of that. They give away free lesson plans. That's great

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<v Speaker 12>if you're a teacher and you suddenly get this whole

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<v Speaker 12>kit that's set up for you to teach science through

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<v Speaker 12>teaching about energy or teach you know, teach about economics.

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<v Speaker 12>It's like easy, easy stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>And what they usually do some of them are like

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<v Speaker 6>outright climate denial, but then there's a lot of materials

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<v Speaker 6>that are much subtler and you wouldn't necessarily catch if

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<v Speaker 6>you weren't really looking for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Yeah, So teachers are overworked and underpaid, and at

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<v Speaker 3>the same time, schools are underfunded. So if you're producing

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<v Speaker 3>this really slight looking curricula, it's really not that hard

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<v Speaker 3>to get it into schools. And then we also found

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<v Speaker 3>in our research that companies have targeted groups like the

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<v Speaker 3>National Science Teachers of America and even the Department of

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<v Speaker 3>Energy to get them all to push these really industry

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<v Speaker 3>friendly curricula. And Katy talks about another type of organization too.

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<v Speaker 6>There's an organization called the National Energy Education Development Project.

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<v Speaker 6>I think their whole purpose is to create educational materials

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<v Speaker 6>about energy, which seems like a good thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>and they talk about energy conservation. They talk about every

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<v Speaker 6>all kinds of energy, including some renewables, which, like in theory,

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<v Speaker 6>sounds like a good thing. But they are sponsored by

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<v Speaker 6>all of these energy companies and some of them are

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<v Speaker 6>you know, wind or solar companies, but most of them

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<v Speaker 6>are fossil fuel companies and that's how they get the

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<v Speaker 6>vast majority of their budget. And so they told me

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<v Speaker 6>that they aren't influenced by their sponsors. But then if

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<v Speaker 6>you actually look at the materials they produce, it's really

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<v Speaker 6>industry friendly. And so like, for example, they have this

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<v Speaker 6>whole set of these packets of things of activities and

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<v Speaker 6>lessons for different age groups about all the different energy sources,

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<v Speaker 6>and there's like fourteen pages of information and activities about petroleum.

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<v Speaker 6>Nowhere in those materials is carbon dioxide mentioned. Climate change

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<v Speaker 6>isn't mentioned, and the only environmental impacts they do talk

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<v Speaker 6>about environmental impact, but what they talk about is water

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<v Speaker 6>pollution or air pollution. And then they say, I'm going

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<v Speaker 6>to quote this directly, and then there's a paragraph there

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<v Speaker 6>is the petroleum industry works hard to protect the environment.

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<v Speaker 6>Gasoline and diesel fuel have been changed to burn cleaner,

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<v Speaker 6>and oil companies work to make sure that they drill

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<v Speaker 6>and transport oil as safely as possible.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow, so this really gets us back to what's in

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<v Speaker 5>it for the industry. For more on that, we had

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<v Speaker 5>Carol Muffett, President and CEO of the Center for International

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<v Speaker 5>Environmental Law, walk us through a presentation he found where

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<v Speaker 5>a well known oil industry consultant laid out why investing

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<v Speaker 5>in building education programs was a good idea for the industry.

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<v Speaker 5>Carol took us to Zoom School.

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<v Speaker 10>This presentation is being presented against the backdrop of an

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<v Speaker 10>industry that has been doing this aggressively and somewhat successfully

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<v Speaker 10>for years. And I think it's really important to know

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<v Speaker 10>that the presentation is given by a guy named John Tobin,

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<v Speaker 10>who whose expertise was not in education. His expertise was

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<v Speaker 10>in speculating about oil and gas. But he brought something

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<v Speaker 10>valuable to the table. And nowhere is that value there

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<v Speaker 10>than in the names of the inaugural board members that

0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:09.000
<v Speaker 10>signed on to his.

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<v Speaker 12>Energy literacy project.

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<v Speaker 10>Now Here was was a tiny, tiny nonprofit. But he's

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<v Speaker 10>got senior executives from Chevron and Phillips both on his board.

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<v Speaker 10>He's got an executive the head of a co funded

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<v Speaker 10>think tank that advocated for property rights and free market environmentalism.

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<v Speaker 10>He had Pennsylvanian Power and Light, which was a major

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<v Speaker 10>coal plant operator at the time, and a member of

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<v Speaker 10>the Global Climate Coalition.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's really important for everyone listening to kind

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<v Speaker 3>of have a picture in their minds of what this

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<v Speaker 3>presentation looks like, because it's really something. There's a black

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<v Speaker 3>background and this weird Neon orb thing at the top

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<v Speaker 3>of every page.

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<v Speaker 5>It's truly, truly a lot, very very good example of

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<v Speaker 5>like late nineties, early two thousands graphic skills.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's all these quo and clip art and these

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<v Speaker 3>bizarre stock photos. This one side that I love just

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<v Speaker 3>has an illustration of it elephant, with the saying when

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<v Speaker 3>eating an elephant, take one bite at a time.

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<v Speaker 8>So deep.

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<v Speaker 3>But then there's this one thing that this guy, John Tobin,

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<v Speaker 3>who made the presentation, seems to really want to drive

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<v Speaker 3>home to people, and that's something that he calls the

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<v Speaker 3>three e's, and that's energy, economy, and environment and they're

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<v Speaker 3>in that order for a reason.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, back to Zoom School.

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<v Speaker 10>I want to start by both talking about the threes

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<v Speaker 10>and highlighting what the three ees means for industry. And

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<v Speaker 10>Tobin's presentation is compelling because it's so very explicit about

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<v Speaker 10>that the three e's that we're pushed into classrooms by

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<v Speaker 10>Excellent Mobile for decades stood for energy, economy, and environment

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<v Speaker 10>and in that order, and we'll talk about why that

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<v Speaker 10>order is important as we go along. This presentation is

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<v Speaker 10>making the case for why those three e's are so

0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:11.359
<v Speaker 10>important to the industry in itself. What Chobin highlights is

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<v Speaker 10>that the oil and gas industry suffers from severe image problems,

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<v Speaker 10>and educating around the three e's is key to addressing

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<v Speaker 10>those image problems and with it, making the companies themselves

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<v Speaker 10>more profitable.

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<v Speaker 5>Next line, there are more than fifty slides in his presentation,

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<v Speaker 5>so we're going to skip ahead to the highlights.

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<v Speaker 10>And again bear in mind that he's speaking on behalf

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<v Speaker 10>of an organization that has senior executives for many of

0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:46.959
<v Speaker 10>the industry's largest companies behind it. What they're looking to

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<v Speaker 10>instill is a belief in a twenty eighth amendment that

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<v Speaker 10>the people's rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of

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<v Speaker 10>happiness shall be fueled by cheap and abundant energy, yet

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<v Speaker 10>again equating energy not only with the economy, but with

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<v Speaker 10>liberty and freedom itself. This presentation happened in the wake

0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:18.440
<v Speaker 10>of what was in fact a major victory for these programs,

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<v Speaker 10>because in the Energy Policy Act of two thousand and five,

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<v Speaker 10>which was recognized at the time to be filled with

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<v Speaker 10>massive giveaways to the oil and gas industry, and part

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<v Speaker 10>of what was incorporated were provisions for millions of dollars

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<v Speaker 10>for educational programs focused specifically on the three e's on energy,

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<v Speaker 10>economy and environment.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, hold up a minute.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to make sure that everyone caught that

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<v Speaker 3>the US government put millions of dollars toward pro oil

0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:57.080
<v Speaker 3>industry energy education in two thousand and five, So a

0:23:57.160 --> 0:24:00.400
<v Speaker 3>good like thirty forty years after several signed has had

0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:03.240
<v Speaker 3>already been sounding the alarm about climate change.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and after world leaders had agreed to come together

0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:10.760
<v Speaker 5>and reduce emissions because everyone understood the problem was that bad,

0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:14.120
<v Speaker 5>until the US just said, just getting we're out.

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<v Speaker 3>You're talking about the Kyoto Protocol, of course, And yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>this is two thousand and five. So that's just a

0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:22.280
<v Speaker 3>few years after the US Senate voted ninety five to

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<v Speaker 3>zero against ratifying Kyoto, and our lovely President George W.

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<v Speaker 3>Bush officially pulled out of the agreement. And now the

0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:32.800
<v Speaker 3>government wasn't just not taking any action, it was actually

0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:38.240
<v Speaker 3>funding an industry friendly take on energy education in American schools.

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<v Speaker 10>And at the moment that he's presenting to ask THEE

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<v Speaker 10>what he's acknowledging here is that between DOE and IOGCC,

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<v Speaker 10>which is the independent oily gas companies, there were more

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<v Speaker 10>than three hundred active school outreach programs, and I think

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<v Speaker 10>most fundamentally, you see the explicit equation of the economy

0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:08.840
<v Speaker 10>with freedom. The economy is economic growth, the economy is freedom.

0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:13.760
<v Speaker 10>And when you know that economic growth is dependent on energy,

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<v Speaker 10>anything that you do to restrict the growth of energy

0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:20.600
<v Speaker 10>is restricting the growth of the economy and is a

0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:26.200
<v Speaker 10>threat to your freedom. Again, the targets for this were

0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:30.840
<v Speaker 10>kids from kindergarten through college. And when you do that,

0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:33.240
<v Speaker 10>when you take your message and you put it in

0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:36.880
<v Speaker 10>the mouth of someone who is teaching your children, who

0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:40.439
<v Speaker 10>children are told to believe and to trust, it is

0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:45.000
<v Speaker 10>among the most insidious and among the most effective forms

0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:50.200
<v Speaker 10>of propaganda. And we are still dealing with and reeling

0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:53.200
<v Speaker 10>from decades of that propaganda.

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<v Speaker 5>That last part really really hits home for me, because

0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:03.919
<v Speaker 5>when you think about especially little kids, I mean, you

0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:06.760
<v Speaker 5>really trust what your teachers tell you in school, at

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<v Speaker 5>least for a while.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's so cynical, and it's honestly, really smart of them.

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<v Speaker 3>I was really struck by how much funding was going

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<v Speaker 3>into this and how many government programs there were at

0:26:18.960 --> 0:26:22.520
<v Speaker 3>that point and probably now too, honestly, but the fact

0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:25.160
<v Speaker 3>that there were over three hundred back in two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>and five, that's pretty incredible.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>One thing that really struck me in looking not just

0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:34.440
<v Speaker 5>at this presentation that Carol Muffett was talking about, but

0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:38.040
<v Speaker 5>also at various materials that we found, is that they're

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<v Speaker 5>just filled with what sociologists have started to call discourses

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<v Speaker 5>of delay. That term comes from this paper that came

0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:48.440
<v Speaker 5>out last year. It was written by an economist named

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<v Speaker 5>Will Lamb and several other economics and social science researchers

0:26:52.640 --> 0:26:56.199
<v Speaker 5>who just started to pull together examples of messages like

0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:59.160
<v Speaker 5>these that the industry uses and that we see over

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<v Speaker 5>and over and start to catalog them and categorize them

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<v Speaker 5>into groups.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So these are these messages that have sort of

0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:11.800
<v Speaker 3>taken the place of straight up climate denial.

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<v Speaker 8>Amy.

0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:14.640
<v Speaker 3>It's done some great writing on that, and a lot

0:27:14.680 --> 0:27:17.280
<v Speaker 3>of them have been around for like a century or more.

0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:20.840
<v Speaker 3>There are things like the importance of fossil fuels in America,

0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:24.000
<v Speaker 3>or how on top of problems. The fossil fuel industry

0:27:24.280 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 3>is or how so called cheap energy. It keeps everyone

0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:30.160
<v Speaker 3>out of poverty. Here's Carol Muffet again.

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<v Speaker 8>We see Exxon Mobile having pushed its energy Cube training

0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:41.879
<v Speaker 8>materials into schools across the country for decades, making Exxon's

0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:47.119
<v Speaker 8>Energy Cube one of the most widely used educational resources

0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 8>in the entire United States for literally tens of years.

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<v Speaker 8>And so the question becomes, what is that energy cube?

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<v Speaker 8>The energy queube stood for energy economy and the environment,

0:28:03.600 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 8>and the entire strategy behind it, and we see the

0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:11.840
<v Speaker 8>oil industry push this over and over again is to

0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:19.119
<v Speaker 8>mainstream with kids. The idea that energy is absolutely essential

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:24.280
<v Speaker 8>to not only the economy but ultimately to freedom, That

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:28.360
<v Speaker 8>you can't have a functioning economy without energy, that anything

0:28:28.400 --> 0:28:33.160
<v Speaker 8>that accordingly, anything that restricts or regulates energy has an

0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:36.840
<v Speaker 8>immediate effect on the economy. And therefore, whenever you talk

0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:41.000
<v Speaker 8>about the environmental impacts of energy production in any form,

0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:45.680
<v Speaker 8>you immediately have to aweigh those environmental impacts against their

0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:47.440
<v Speaker 8>presumed economic impact.

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<v Speaker 3>Does that all sound familiar?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, it's really striking to me just how often

0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:58.400
<v Speaker 5>you hear these exact talking points, even from moderate Democrats

0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 5>who think we do need to do some thing on climate,

0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:04.280
<v Speaker 5>but it's like they just have this framework in their heads.

0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:07.640
<v Speaker 5>It's been a super effective strategy, and one of the

0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:11.480
<v Speaker 5>reasons that's been effective is exactly this thing that Katie

0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:15.640
<v Speaker 5>Worth was talking about. It's not denial, so it kind

0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 5>of has this veneer of credibility.

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<v Speaker 11>You're allowed to legitimately discuss delay in mainstream context. So

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<v Speaker 11>it's more difficult to promote climate denial these days, I

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<v Speaker 11>think because, for example, the BBC has now quite strict

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<v Speaker 11>guidance on the kind of balance that it's going to

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<v Speaker 11>offer in its interviews around climate change, so they don't

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<v Speaker 11>invite on a dissenting view on climate science anymore.

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<v Speaker 5>This is Will Lamb, the lead author of that Discourses

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<v Speaker 5>of Delay paper, and.

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<v Speaker 11>I think that's happened more and more and now it's

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<v Speaker 11>more difficult to discuss through denial in the public arena.

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<v Speaker 11>But delay is tricky. Delay is tricky because often there

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<v Speaker 11>are grains of truth in delay arguments, and often you

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<v Speaker 11>can pose it as really a legitimate discussion on what

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<v Speaker 11>the shape of climate policy should look like.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So then the issue becomes like if we want

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<v Speaker 3>to separate the credible stuff from the industry talking points.

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<v Speaker 3>Do we need all teachers to be these experts in

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<v Speaker 3>climate disinformation? That's just completely unrealistic.

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<v Speaker 5>Totally if Like, one of the reasons that this has

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<v Speaker 5>worked so well is a teachers are stretched really thin

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<v Speaker 5>and schools are underfunded. Like the solution can't be that

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<v Speaker 5>they need to take on more work and become experts

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<v Speaker 5>in this field. So, you know, you can see how

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<v Speaker 5>being bombarded with all of this reasonable sounding stuff about

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<v Speaker 5>trade offs and the need to keep energy affordable and

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<v Speaker 5>how on top of environmental issues the industry is might

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<v Speaker 5>lead to a whole lot of inaction on climate. But

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<v Speaker 5>that's not the only reason fossil fuel companies do this stuff,

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<v Speaker 5>is it, Darna? That's right, there's more.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's Kurt again.

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<v Speaker 12>Why do they need this? Because they want to be

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<v Speaker 12>more popular than they are. You know, most people do

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<v Speaker 12>oil industries not very popular. The coal industry is not

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<v Speaker 12>very popular, or they bemoan the fact that nobody knows

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<v Speaker 12>where they where you get your electricity and they want

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<v Speaker 12>people to understand that. So, I mean, you have these

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<v Speaker 12>fossil fuel interests or electric utilities, coal oil interests who.

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<v Speaker 2>Have been.

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<v Speaker 12>Craving attention and craving acceptance and social license for a

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<v Speaker 12>good long time, and they have tried to do that

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<v Speaker 12>with a variety of things, and often in conjunction they'll

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<v Speaker 12>do curriculum, but they also are doing an ad campaign

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<v Speaker 12>on television or in local newspapers.

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<v Speaker 3>And then Carol Muffett, again from the Center for International

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<v Speaker 3>Environmental Law, pointed out that schools are also really big

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<v Speaker 3>recruitment targets for the oil industry, especially now when fewer

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<v Speaker 3>and fewer younger people are interested in working for them

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<v Speaker 3>for obvious reasons. In twenty fourteen, former ex ON CEO

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<v Speaker 3>and later Trump administration appointee Rex Tillerson actually talked pretty

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<v Speaker 3>openly about the role that education can play in this

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<v Speaker 3>really really gross way. He said that schools are quote

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<v Speaker 3>producing a product, and that product is the students going

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<v Speaker 3>into the workforce.

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<v Speaker 8>To summarize Rex Tillerson, the oil industry got involved in

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<v Speaker 8>education because for the oil industry, the students are the product.

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<v Speaker 8>And I think when Tillerson said that, he was obviously

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<v Speaker 8>talking in the context of workers and future workers and prospects.

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<v Speaker 8>But what you see when you look at the history

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<v Speaker 8>of the oil industry's engagement in education is that for

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<v Speaker 8>the oil industry, the students are the product in a

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<v Speaker 8>much more profound and extensive and pervasive.

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<v Speaker 5>Way that Yeah, that really is really is gross. Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>So I don't want to end this episode without talking

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<v Speaker 5>about a side of the school curriculum game that people

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<v Speaker 5>might not necessarily think of, and that's universities.

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<v Speaker 12>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>So oil company is actually fund research centers at like

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<v Speaker 3>all the top schools MIT Harvard, Stanford. But that's not

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<v Speaker 3>the only way that they get involved on university campuses either.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's right. They also fund chairs in economic departments

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<v Speaker 5>or law schools, or programs at public policy schools. Oil

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<v Speaker 5>companies were actually among the first to see universities as

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<v Speaker 5>a huge opportunity. So there was this kind of small,

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<v Speaker 5>seemingly obscure tax law change in the fifties that made

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<v Speaker 5>corporate donations to universities a write off, and that prompted

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<v Speaker 5>a little bit of an increase in sort of industry

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<v Speaker 5>funding at the university level. But a lot of corporations

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<v Speaker 5>just kind of saw it as a tax break. And

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<v Speaker 5>there was this VP at Standard Oil of New Jersey,

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<v Speaker 5>which is now Exonmobile. His name is Frank Abrams, and

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<v Speaker 5>he started to really see this as a golden opportunity

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<v Speaker 5>for way more than just some nice tax breaks. So

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<v Speaker 5>he started talking to everyone in the oil industry and

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<v Speaker 5>beyond about, you know, really what they could do.

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<v Speaker 6>Here.

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<v Speaker 5>I found this speech of his from nineteen fifty three

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<v Speaker 5>where he's like, yeah, yeah, the tax break is great,

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<v Speaker 5>but don't forget all this other stuff. So he says,

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<v Speaker 5>the important thing is that corporate gifts should be made

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<v Speaker 5>when the direct or indirect benefits, and I want to

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<v Speaker 5>underscore indirect benefits are worth more to the company than

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<v Speaker 5>the costs after tax adjustments. And then he goes on

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<v Speaker 5>to give an example of one of these great indirect benefits.

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<v Speaker 5>He says, there is a tendency on the part of

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<v Speaker 5>some people to call on the government to take over

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<v Speaker 5>more and more functions and responsibilities born previously by citizens.

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<v Speaker 5>My observation of political history both here and abroad during

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<v Speaker 5>forty years with Standard Oil Company provides evidence of how

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<v Speaker 5>the sinking can develop. Even in a soil like ours

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<v Speaker 5>where the tradition of democracy and free enterprise is well developed.

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<v Speaker 5>Each time government takes over a new function, the free

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<v Speaker 5>society shrinks by that much a step has been taken

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<v Speaker 5>towards statism, a system holding great dangers for the general

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<v Speaker 5>wellbeing of the country and incidentally for stockholders, investments and corporations.

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<v Speaker 5>This is a problem with great dimension.

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<v Speaker 8>In my view.

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<v Speaker 5>But I think finally we can rely on a prudent

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<v Speaker 5>and mature people, that is, an educated people to deal

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<v Speaker 5>properly with it.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it seems like oil executives and oil companies

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<v Speaker 3>have really been worried about creeping socialism for a long time.

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<v Speaker 5>They really really have been, and they really spent decades

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<v Speaker 5>looking to use education as a tool to solidify their

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<v Speaker 5>position in society. That's it for this time. We're taking

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<v Speaker 5>you to school. In this collaboration between Drilled and Earther,

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<v Speaker 5>Darna and I have found a lot of really interesting

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<v Speaker 5>and shocking things, so stay with us. Drilled is an

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<v Speaker 5>original production of the Critical Frequency podcast Network. This series

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<v Speaker 5>is a collaboration with Earther gis motos Climate and Justice site.

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<v Speaker 5>My co host and co reporter for the series is

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<v Speaker 5>Darna nor. Our producer is Juliana Bradley. Our factchecker is

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<v Speaker 5>Trevor Gowan. Music is by Martin Wissenberg, and our artwork

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<v Speaker 5>was created by Matthew Fleming. Our First Amendment attorney is

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<v Speaker 5>James Wheaton, founder and director of the First Amendment Project.

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<v Speaker 5>You can find corresponding stories, videos, and documents for this

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for listening, and we'll see you next time.