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Speaker 1: shed mark Kenyon, Joe, you sweet summer child. Good morning

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Speaker 1: that's getting its side hustle on selling mouse pads featuring

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Speaker 1: those antlers really mess up my whole waiting process and

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Speaker 1: getting it to swim. And I'll spend hours hours on

422
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 1: one decoy on one full size pike getting it to

423
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 1: swim paddlefish is the same thing because they got that

424
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 1: real lawn, you know, nose on them, So that really

425
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 1: makes the balancing of it super tricky. So but you've

426
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 1: just brought up something interesting. So even if if I'm

427
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: commissioning you to to make a decoy, that's going to

428
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:48,479
Speaker 1: be purely for decoration purposes, and you know that you

429
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: are still making sure that thing swims if I wanted

430
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: it to, absolutely, because if it doesn't swim, if I'm

431
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: not making it correctly, it's not a fish decoy. That's

432
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: what separates. That's what that that's what That's what levels

433
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 1: you up right there is even if it's a decoration,

434
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: it would perform if you needed it too. And I've

435
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: done some like fish plaques, you know, putting mountain on wood,

436
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 1: so that's purely decoration and and uh yeah that's a

437
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: totally different thing. But yeah, if it's a fish decoy,

438
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: I'm making it to swim. Like said, my whole process

439
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 1: is the same either way, even if I know it's

440
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: just going on a shelf. You hear that, folks, man,

441
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: When you're buying a Brian Ebert decoy, you're not only

442
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 1: getting an artistic representation, You're you're getting dedication to craft.

443
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: And well, anyway, well thank you so much for like

444
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: coming and talking to his man do you want to

445
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: you want to tell our listeners where they can find you,

446
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: you know, on social media, and then if they would

447
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: like to buy something from you, where they might find

448
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 1: you as well. Yeah, primarily my Instagram is where I'm

449
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: sharing all my fish decoys and spear and apparel. So

450
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: that's Ryany Art at Sea is what I saw most

451
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: of my stuff through, which is also Ryany birt art

452
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: Um also the on the board of directors for the

453
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 1: nat No Fist Decoys Association, and we have a show

454
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: in per Minnesota that's April twenties second, I think that weekend,

455
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: So if guys want to meet me in person, you

456
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: can come to that show and I'll have lots of

457
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: decoys there. Pretty much every then I'm making right now,

458
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: I'm kind of holding and setting aside for that show,

459
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: So there's not much on my let's shop available right now.

460
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: Right on Man, Well, we kicked it off with ice decoys.

461
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 1: The possibilities are endless. Hayden loremakers, rod makers. Who will

462
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 1: be next on Makers? Well, I'll tell you what. If

463
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 1: you think that you are the next maker, what you make,

464
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: we will assess it and then decide No. No email

465
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: email us at bent at the meat Eater dot Com

466
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: with with a little bit of paragraph about you and

467
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: uh in an example of your art and uh hopefully

468
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: you get to be uh you get to be on

469
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 1: the show soon. What do you think Joe is had

470
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: an appropriate plug there? Very appropriate? All right, thanks Ryan? Yeah,

471
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Dude so cool. I love Yeah,

472
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: Ryan stuff is truly outstanding. Um, you should all check

473
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 1: him out if you haven't already. And while the ice

474
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: is dwindling, I would say in my region, I know

475
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: a lot of you still have good ice. Uh, and

476
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: maybe you're not into spearing, but just hate the fact

477
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 1: that you know, ice fishing just allows you to kind

478
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 1: of drop a baitter jigs straight down. Yeah, I cannot

479
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: stand that. It is just horrible. I just feel like, man,

480
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: if this water we're just open, I could cast anywhere

481
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to know. Well, trolling thing, Man, don't ruin it.

482
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: Don't ruin it. Because we've got a sail bin item today. Um,

483
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: they can help you out if you just hate the

484
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: fact that ice fishing is kind of a straight up

485
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: and down thing. And this should be fun because I

486
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: already know Hayden and I have different opinions about this item.

487
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: Why did you put the hand pa, You don't know

488
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: what I'm getting. Man, You didn't have to be so

489
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 1: with me so angry. This Saleman entry comes to us

490
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: from listener Isaac Linz, and it's a it's a weird one, um,

491
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 1: because he said he saw this on Facebook marketplace, but

492
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: he didn't supply a link to the item. And I

493
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: went on Facebook Marketplace and searched, and I looked for

494
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: it myself and I couldn't find it. But what Isaac

495
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: told us was that after seeing it for sale somewhere

496
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: out there on the uh inner webs, he he ended

497
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: up wanting to dig deeper, and he he looked this

498
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: product up and he found it on YouTube to videos uh.

499
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: And that's what he sent was these two links to

500
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: these videos. And the product is called the bait Transporter. Yeah.

501
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: And now before we start picking this apart, let's just

502
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: like describe this item in the simplest term. The bait

503
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: transporter is it's like a flat wooden like kind of

504
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: like planer board almost with like a point at one end,

505
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: and below it is a motor and dangling from that

506
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 1: is a downward your release clip. Fifty ft of court

507
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: are connected to the motor, and what you do is

508
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: you attach your fishing line to the release clip, slid

509
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: the bait transporter under the ice, powered up, and off

510
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: a goes carrying whatever lure or a bait you've connected

511
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: fifty ft from the hole you drilled, and once it

512
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: gets the end of the court, it turns and will

513
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: continuously run in a fifty ft circle around your hole.

514
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: Right now, neither of these videos made it clear to me,

515
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: at least if the idea is to take a bait

516
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: out right and then you snap the line out of

517
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: the release clip and your bait falls, or you you

518
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: effectively troll a spoon or a crank bait whatever under

519
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: the ice. That's how they're showing it in action. They

520
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: show this thing pulling a spoon behind it. My guess

521
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: is that it will do both, but I have issues

522
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: with both of those objectives separately, which which we'll get into.

523
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: And just a little bit here. So now that we

524
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: are we have a full understanding of what this product is,

525
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,719
Speaker 1: let's discuss who's selling it. His name is Ed Smith.

526
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: I'm out here on Lake Superior today, beautiful day, or

527
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: just off a little rainbow stream, and I have this

528
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: new sport fishing device, and I'm gonna be using today

529
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: something I invented. It's called a bait transporter. In case

530
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: you're wondering, Yes, all the music and Ed's videos sounds

531
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,479
Speaker 1: like what was playing when the baby whale is finally

532
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: born in Blue Planet is I'm pretty sure it's also

533
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: like the stock of music that they My brother has

534
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: a drone and he makes these drone videos, and I

535
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: think that's the same stock music that they given to

536
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: make the videos with. Very strange anyhow, it seems like

537
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: a good salt of the earth dude. But he is

538
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: also the kind of guy and I think we all

539
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: know or no one that's like a basement tinkerer. Yes,

540
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: Ed is a a mad scientists an engineer of sorts.

541
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: But whereas some folks spend lots of money prototyping, it

542
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,719
Speaker 1: looks like Ed build his prototype or whatever he already

543
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: had laying around the garage. It's like some prototypes I

544
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: developed in high school. Yeah. So the name, even the

545
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: name bait transporter is crudely burned into the wood plank,

546
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: but it tapers at the end. It's like he ran

547
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: out of room, Like you know, when you're writing some

548
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: long ship and you're like, uh, I don't have enough

549
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: room for the E and the R so like bait

550
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: transporter or shrinks away and like it's there's there's barely

551
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: enough room on there. Now underneath the motor that that

552
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: moves this device that provides the thrust, it's just a

553
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: small fish tank water pump, right, So basically it's got

554
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: like a little jet drive going on. And the cord

555
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: is fifty ft of that thick clear cord where you

556
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: can see all the copper wiring inside. And then every

557
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: few feet Ed put foam bobbers on the cord, strung

558
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: bobbers on the cord to ensure that the cord would

559
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: float underneath the ice instead of sinking way. And all

560
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: of this glory uh and power is UH is run

561
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: by a car battery that he has out on the

562
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: ice with him. Yes. And now now, so like the

563
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: case that End makes in his video is that despite

564
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: all the electronics available these modern days, modernized fishermen still

565
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: fish like caveman, meaning like they can only drop a

566
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: lure in like a one ft area I guess on

567
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: like the lake. So I'll let Ed explain what that means.

568
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: This is a picture I drew of the very first

569
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: ice fishure. Yep, he's a cave man over here. I

570
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: have a picture of today's fishermen. He's got a camp

571
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: and he's got a four wheel drive truck and a

572
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: trailer and ice huts with televisions and stereos. There's he's

573
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: got ice tents. He's got fish finders and underwater televisions.

574
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: He's got snow machines. Have you luck here? Don't know

575
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: what set he is doing the same thing as this

576
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: guy over here. So that means since the beginning of time,

577
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: ice fishing has never changed. So if you watch this video,

578
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: he actually draws a caveman fishing and then compares it

579
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: to another drawing of modern ice fishing, and and they're

580
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: like something my kids would have. It's a very potent piece.

581
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: It's very funny. It's very funny. Now Ed claims that

582
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: with his device right, you can fish anywhere within seven

583
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: thousand square feet of the whole and his tagline sort

584
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: of like sort of his his tagline is that this

585
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: device sets ice fishermen free. Now listen, Ed, I do

586
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: appreciate the thought process and the work that went into this,

587
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that there's no ingenuity. It right,

588
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: it does steer itself in the circle and all that.

589
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: I mean, there was some thought put into this, but

590
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: my gut reaction to the idea of this, this freeing

591
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: of the ice fisherman, even before I get into the logistics,

592
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: are that ice fishermen are free ad for nine months

593
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: of the year. They're free it's called open water. Um.

594
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: I see what he's trying to do here. But isn't

595
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: part of the skill and and fun um of ice

596
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: fishing about being able to you know, first off, go

597
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: wherever you want on the lake on foot, not needing

598
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: a boat, and then you know, finding the perfect spot

599
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: to drill a hole and you're hoping that you're you're

600
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: you're sitting right on top of the fish. Like that's

601
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: just kind of what ice fishing is to me. So

602
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: this this kind of changes the game. And I don't

603
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: know if it's positively, but you ice fish more than

604
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: I do. So I want to hear your thoughts. Yeah, Joe,

605
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: you sweet summer child man. I think it's okay. So

606
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:03,239
Speaker 1: is Ed's invention a little hokey? Sure, you know, um,

607
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: but there are things that I like about it, and

608
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: some of the things that I like about it would

609
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: be what you might consider a critique of it, except

610
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: you gotta think about it the right way. So that

611
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: copper line is like really good because my initial thought

612
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: was like, well, why don't you just take like a

613
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: remote control like I'm sure they have some remote control

614
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: submarine or like you know whatever, and just like you know,

615
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: zip it around underneath the ice with like a crank

616
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 1: bait attached to it. And then I realized that, um,

617
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: steering it back to the whole blindly would be really difficult,

618
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: So like plus one for the giant copper core to

619
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: My next critique was, man, isn't that like a lot

620
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 1: of like a car battery. Isn't that like a lot

621
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: of stuff to like bring out? And then I thought

622
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: about it for three seconds. I was like, Bro, you

623
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: camp on the ice all the damn time. The amount

624
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: of crap that you bring out there with you, like

625
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: you wouldn't even notice the car battery, So I like that. Um,

626
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: or it's not that I like that, it's just like

627
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: it's a non issue. It's a moot point. Um. My

628
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: other kind of critique is this is basically the ice

629
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: fishing like equivalent, or I guess the terminal tackle equivalent

630
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: of like side scanner compared to your like drop down

631
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: the whole transducer. You know what I mean, Like you're

632
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: you're basically uh as a side scanner amplifies your visible

633
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: area or radar area. The uh what the what the

634
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: hell does he call this thing bait transporter? Yeah, the

635
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: bait transporter increases your your your fishable area in a

636
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: very similar way. Now here are my like here are

637
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: some actual critiques that I have over like number one,

638
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: head godly, man, make the thing look better, Just put

639
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 1: put some more time into like presentation. Man, it's fine,

640
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: just spray paint the whole thing and just start over

641
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: with a nice graphic. Man, that'll that'll get you so

642
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 1: much further immediately. Next thing I have like a problem

643
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: with is uh, I'm not sure how fish would react

644
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: to this underwater from the standpoint that everything is like

645
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: kind of lethargic. I don't know exactly how fast this goes,

646
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 1: but I wonder how effective, like in a a type

647
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: of fishing that demands such a subtle presentation, how effective

648
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: that like trolling at whatever speed might be? So um

649
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: wait wait wait if ed Wards show up and give

650
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: you this would you run out of the ice and

651
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: give her a goal. Would you use this product? Would

652
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: I use this product? Well, if somebody, out of the

653
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: kindness of their hearts is going to send me a

654
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: bait transporter, I would indeed give it a shot. Would

655
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: I bring it every time? No? But one thing that

656
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: I immediately kind of thought of was it might be

657
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: kind of effect to define like cocone e, because they're

658
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: like attracted to like big shiny, like fluttering things. And

659
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: I thought that you might have some utility there. Um, okay, Like,

660
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: do I want to go fish with it? No? Not really, man,

661
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 1: I will, I will be honest with you, not really,

662
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: But mark my words, I'm gonna call it now. In

663
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: ten years, inside of ten years, there will be a

664
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 1: product very similar to Ed's bait transporter, and it will

665
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: be widely used by by ice fishermen. And I think

666
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: that it will be widely used in combination with the

667
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: side scan sonar. So there you go. Those are my

668
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: thoughts on it. Yeah, all right, So let me crack

669
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: my neck and crack my knuckles before I begin here.

670
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 1: So oh god, wait, that's no fair, man. I didn't

671
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: know you were gonna make me do it all at once,

672
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: and then you were gonna like roll overbuttle at me. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

673
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: that's what I was doing. I wanted to hear your

674
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to hear your thoughts first. It is not

675
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: in the notes that that is how this was gonna work. Account.

676
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: I thought I was just offering my thoughts and like, well,

677
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: you got you ice fish more than I do. So

678
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna bring up some practical things. Great man

679
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: walk walk me into a blind um. All right, So

680
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: for starters, right, the bait transporter has a go pro

681
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: attachment on it facing backwards, which tells me that the

682
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: intention is to troll with it, because why would you

683
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: need to go pro if you're not expecting a fish

684
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: to eat behind it. The first thing that came to

685
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: mind for me was the sound. This has got to

686
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 1: be making all kinds of sound underwater and you're dragging

687
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: this court around. Is that attractive to fish? But more

688
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: so unless you're targeting like you brought up cocony or

689
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: or even trout. But if it turns out to be

690
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: like pelagic fishing boats where like some of them are

691
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: tuned in frequencies that like the fish end up liking,

692
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: and some of them are just like dead. So you

693
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: have these like bait. I'm not saying it will never work,

694
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: but what sounds really good. Well, what I'm saying is

695
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: if you think about depth. So if you're gonna pull

696
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: a spoon or or jig or crank bit or whatever,

697
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: well that's great if the fish are trying to target

698
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: or swimming one to three feet under the ice. As

699
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: soon as you increase the depth of the loure, like,

700
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: the deeper you try to send it, the less action

701
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: it's going to have with that thing moving in a

702
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: wide circle, like even though that's moving around. The deeper

703
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: you go, the less that's going to translate to to

704
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: the action that the lure is supposed to have. So

705
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: I don't really fully understand. Would be like if you

706
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: were to side scan, right, And a lot of this

707
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: argument contingent is contingent on you having a side scan,

708
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: But it would be interesting to like drive around, get

709
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: it over where you think the fish are, and then

710
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: just like dead stick it. Well, okay, I thought of

711
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: that too. So let's say you legitimately use this thing

712
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: the place a bait or something, and you keep consistently

713
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: getting bit at the eleven o'clock hour on your turn

714
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: fifty ft away from your hole, Think you wouldn't just

715
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: go drill a hole over there instead of dealing with

716
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: wires and cables and stuff. I mean, that could be

717
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: a good That could be a good way to find it,

718
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: because I'll tell you what, in the time that it

719
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: would take you to drill like those sixty holes to

720
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: encompass like a fifty ft sixty or sixty degree radius,

721
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: you can just do that in one turn with the

722
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: handy bait transporter. Okay, now here's another. Here's another thing.

723
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 1: Let's say let's say the bait transporter does its job

724
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 1: and like a twenty pound pike comes over and grabs

725
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: whatever you're pulling. You're gonna fight that fish through a

726
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: tiny hole with a tiny rod while you're also dealing

727
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: with fifty feet of cable and a moving object in

728
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: the same hole. Like, dude, how often have you gotten

729
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: tangled just in your transducer that's bobbing right there? So

730
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: I don't see how that doesn't equate two mad tangles. Dude.

731
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: Here here's my argument there, man um. I would say

732
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: that like the one wire that is going down the

733
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: hole in immediately bank in ninety degrees is less in

734
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: the way than my like heavy transduce, sir, that's like

735
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: hanging down three ft below like what I'm fishing. Okay.

736
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: And my last thing was if you're going to use

737
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: this for bait delivery, like to drop a dead bait

738
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: further away from you or something, it doesn't move particularly fast.

739
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: So are you really is it really more efficient to

740
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: keep pulling this thing in by hand dragging all the

741
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: cord in, setting the release clips, sending it back out

742
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: and it goes along real slow? Like is that more

743
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: efficient than just drilling more holes in the area to

744
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: find the fish? To me, I think if it was

745
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: just I think if it was just going out and

746
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 1: doing one I would agree with you. I'd be like, yeah,

747
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: you gotta send this thing onto it goes out fifty

748
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: yards you know, or fifty ft or whatever it is.

749
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: But because it's like running that circle, I would say that, yeah,

750
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: that is more efficient. I would say definitely takes less time. Well,

751
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: the only thing I will say I I don't agree

752
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: that this is gonna be the next big thing, right,

753
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: And it's not going to be like side scan because

754
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: side scan lets you see to the side, which would

755
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: allow you to move your whole base just on what's

756
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: on your screen from side scan. But I do think

757
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: if there was something here, like you know, we got

758
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: to get to the to the you know, to the Tesla,

759
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: and Edge just built the Ford model A you know

760
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 1: what I mean, like years and years and years down

761
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: the line. Maybe there's something here that you know, acts

762
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: like a I don't know, a drone that goes one

763
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: way and then just automatically comes home. I don't know,

764
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: but I think to make that technology really efficient, um,

765
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: it would be a really expensive item. And I don't

766
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: think your average ice fisherman is gonna go for that.

767
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna go out hand oger his holes,

768
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: jig up his perch, drinks some beers, and go home.

769
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: I don't I don't see it, but I could be wrong.

770
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Man. Well, the

771
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: president for ice fishing being expensive has already been set.

772
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: You know, our buddy Jay Semans out there with those

773
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: snow bear things dropping down like the six thousand dollar

774
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: side scan total set up. But that's not the average person, dude,

775
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: that's not your average guy. And for something to make it,

776
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: I think the market has to be affordable and a

777
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: lot of people have to want it, right, Like, that's

778
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: not well, you know you know who else is? Uh?

779
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: Is not the average guy? Our buddy Ed. Well, now

780
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: Ed's getting after it. I I give a lot of

781
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: credit to Ed. It's it's not it's not Ed, but

782
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: you know he's He's created something here that I've I

783
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: felt was worth debate. Also, um, we know of it

784
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: because of Isaac. So Isaac, thank you so much for

785
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: sending this. Yes, this was a really fun one. We'll

786
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: put a clip of this product in our Instagram stories

787
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: today so you guys can check it out. And if

788
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 1: you find something fish or fishing related on your favorite

789
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: online classified, that's just ridiculous. Uh, please keep sending those links.

790
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 1: Send that link to Bent at the meat eater dot com.

791
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: Do please write in or hit us up and let

792
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: us know what you think of the bait Transporter. I'd

793
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: really cure you say if you guys think it's a

794
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: great idea or not. Again, I'm not trying to take

795
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: anything away from this guy, but come on, it's it's

796
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: a lot going on. It's a lot happening. I think

797
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: you're going to hear that it's genius. Also, if you'd

798
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: like to hear what a winning news report sounds like,

799
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: stay tuned. Is I crushed Joe in this week's installment

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Speaker 1: of fish News Fish News that escalated quickly, Hey, real quick,

801
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: just because I forgot to mention it last week. As

802
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: trout season openers approach, Uh, some of you guys that

803
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: have procreated and produced smaller versions of yourself may be

804
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: interested in a in a piece I recently published on

805
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 1: the meat Eater site about taking your little people trout

806
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: fishing and uh, how to help craft them into better

807
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: trout anglers. Specifically, it was actually a very fun one

808
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: to write. So that's on the meat Eater side. If

809
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: if that does something for you, Yeah, I feel like

810
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 1: a meat either. We've been putting out a lot of like, uh,

811
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: the child related content, you know what I'm there's a

812
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: whole book. Steve's got a whole book coming out so

813
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: very much so lately. Um, and it's it's a very

814
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: fun thing to write about if you have the kids. Anyway,

815
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: last week we mentioned that we'd kick off a little

816
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: thing uh in news here called Conservation Minutes at the

817
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: front of news each week as a recap we're doing

818
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,479
Speaker 1: that just because you know, we have limited time here

819
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: every every week with the news um and it's hard

820
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: to cover everything, you know. Yeah, so we just want

821
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: to keep you like kind of posted on what's going on,

822
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: even if we don't have time to like dive into

823
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: it long term, you know, would be like fun man,

824
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: would be a like eventually we could do like a

825
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: like a daily show thing with like an auxiliary corresponding

826
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 1: like a like a like a reporter or something like that.

827
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: Maybe down the line. I thought, I thought it would

828
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: be funny anyway, So Joe, uh, you're doing the minutes

829
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: this week. Let's let's see what you got. Yeah. Yeah,

830
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: A couple of things real quick here. Uh So, for

831
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: the first time since nine, Florida anglers may be able

832
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: to take a goliath group or home for dinner. A

833
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: vote will be made by Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation

834
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: Commission this week on the final version of fishing regulations

835
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: for goliath grouper that was drafted and initially approved in October.

836
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: We covered that story back then, talking about how many

837
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: anglers say, hey, look, there's plenty of them out there,

838
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: so let's do this, and then the scuba industry is

839
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: saying yes, but leave them alone because our clients like

840
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 1: to look at them. Um. The rules feature a highly

841
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: regulated limited harvest of these fish, which can grow over

842
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 1: six hundred pounds and eight feet in length. So we'll

843
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: see what happens there. That's a lot of meat. Man,

844
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: if you're gonna kill one, how about a twenty pounder

845
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Speaker 1: six hundred pounds. That's a bit one other thing here,

846
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: so Best Pro Shops owner Johnny Morris is reviving the

847
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: World's Fair of Fishing in Springfield, Missouri this spring. The

848
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: event will showcase two hundred exhibitors representing over fifty manufacturers

849
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: across boating, fishing, and outdoor gear. Um. There will be

850
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: more than five hundred thousand square feet of merchant dice,

851
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: much of it on sale. It reduced prices from boats

852
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: to rods the clothing now. The event expects to bring

853
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: upwards of three hundred thousand people in over the course

854
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: of five days, especially with added incentive though not for me,

855
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: from acts like Dirk Spentley, Luke Bryan, and Hank Williams Jr.

856
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: Hank Hank Williams Jr. I'd watch him. I got cursed

857
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,479
Speaker 1: out by him once I brought that up one fourth

858
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: long story anyway. Yes, we don't have time for that

859
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: right now. But he called me an m r ef

860
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: heer and kicked me off his property. Um. Anyway, I

861
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: brought up that story because Marris, who's big time conservation

862
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: is his earmarked fifty percent of the proceeds from all

863
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: of that, both admissions to the fair and concert tickets

864
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: for outdoor conservation. So if you're in that neck the

865
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: woods and going to that, you are giving back a

866
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: little bit with that one. There you go. Okay, conservation minutes, man,

867
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: You know I hate to make you. I hate to

868
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: make you talk so much. Um, And we got it

869
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: on mind. Yeah, I know you don't mind. We we

870
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: got a figure it out a little bit better. Maybe

871
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: whoever's lead it is, uh, the other person reads the

872
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: conservation minutes. But all that said, Joe, it is your

873
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: lead today. So you're gonna have to keep You're gonna

874
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: have to keep talking what you got for us in

875
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: this week's fish news. Yeah, don't forget the mighty fill.

876
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: Our audio engineers gonna judge this. I don't think Phil

877
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: should should consider conservation minutes. I think that the battle

878
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: still has to range stories and listen ironically. Um. Like

879
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: we said with Conservation Minutes, it's not to say we

880
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: won't cover bigger stories where appropriate. And I actually have

881
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: one that's that's very conservation bent this week. So a

882
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: few listeners sent this along and I appreciate it very much.

883
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: It comes from the website biographic dot com um, and

884
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: it covers an initiative to get rid of brook trout

885
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: in New Mexico. UM. Brook trout are found throughout the

886
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: American West, including in the Rockies, Sierra Nevada, and Cascades.

887
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: But what some people may not realize is that they

888
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: are actually invasive there. Now, if you live east of

889
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: the Mississippi, you know, especially if you grew up in

890
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: the northeast where Hayden and I did, this may come

891
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: as a surprise because brook trout wild and native ones

892
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: especially are kind of a big deal out here, Like

893
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: they're this, Yeah, they're the state fish in Pennsylvania and

894
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: New Jersey were talking earlier, We were talking earlier. Man,

895
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 1: those are like my favorite things to fish for. Yeah,

896
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: oh yeah, the big deal here, and they're arguably the

897
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: most beautiful trout species. Um. You know, it's against it, well,

898
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: I know, although Mark Kenyan just recently did the six

899
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: Fish Man was listening. I hope, I hope he's listening.

900
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: He recently said that cutthroat were the prettiest, and everybody

901
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: was like, you need to catch brook trout. Mark sounds

902
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: gonna say, get out of here with that noise, Go

903
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 1: find a shed Mark Kenyon. Anyway, Uh, you know, brookies

904
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 1: are so intertwined with East and culture and prize that

905
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: it could be hard to imagine them being highly unwanted

906
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: and actually a real pain in the assid elsewhere. Um.

907
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 1: According to the story, which provides a fascinating history lesson, um,

908
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: just so we understand what's going on the Mississippi River.

909
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 1: That's the natural barrier that stopped those fish from from

910
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: from getting west, from migrating naturally, and they theoretically could

911
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: have uh through the Mississippi, but it's just too warm.

912
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: So that was like the natural barricade, which means every

913
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: brook trout west of the Mississippi was planted and planning

914
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: was rampant. Hold on, hold on, I'm sorry, I I'm

915
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: I'm very interested in your news story. I in the wintertime,

916
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: like a brook trout couldn't just I mean it could,

917
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: but if you think of Um, where a lot of

918
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: these wild and native brook trout are in comparison to

919
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: the Mississippi. I mean, you'd be talking about fish swimming

920
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: from the headwaters in North Carolina and West Virginia and wherever,

921
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: all the way down to the Big Water, all the

922
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: way to the Ohio River or whatever. I had like

923
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 1: a totally like childlike conceptualization of what you were talking about,

924
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: know what I am, Like, little cold water estuary going

925
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 1: right down to the edge of the Mississippi and another

926
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: cold water estuary just right on the other side. No no, no, no,

927
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: no no no. That's why I'm saying it's theoretically possible

928
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: for them to do that. But last time, no no,

929
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: no no. But I mean, plus, you got to consider predation,

930
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: Like if you're a six inch brookie swimming through the Mississippi,

931
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: something is speaking eating you, you know what I mean. Um. Anyway,

932
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: planning was rampant during the era when European settlers were

933
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: arriving in the US and droves and as they migrated west.

934
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: You know, they don't know what kind of fish they

935
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: might find out there. They thought it would be a

936
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: good idea to take brookies along. They like trout, They

937
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: know trout, and then is the rail system developed. Um,

938
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: they had special fish cars that were designed just this transport,

939
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: and along the route they would just stop at track

940
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: side lakes and rivers and either offload the fish with

941
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: trucks or just fill milk cans and run them down

942
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: and dump them. Um. It was. It's a really interesting story.

943
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: It said. During this time, during the late nineteenth century,

944
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: what was referred to as acclamization was in vogue. And

945
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: it means that people back then wrongly believed that introducing

946
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: a species improved ecological conditions. Yeah. Yeah, it's like we're

947
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:34,959
Speaker 1: gonna make that better, right, And it's a great quote

948
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 1: from the story. It says, as author Kim Todd writes

949
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: in Tinkering with Eden, ponds and lakes, rather than being

950
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: viewed as complex ecosystems, were treated as outdoor aquariums waiting

951
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: to be filled, and says even the Sierra Club, which

952
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: now campaigns against invasive species, was involved back then transplanting

953
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: large numbers of brick trout another trout in the lakes

954
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: and streams along its guided routes through the High Sierra

955
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: so that paying customers could have and all then tick

956
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: Wilderness experience UM. So bottom line, as as pretty as

957
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 1: wild brookies are, they they're also pretty voracious and they

958
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: outcompete native species for food and habitat, which brings us

959
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: back to this current eradication effort. UM Graduate students from

960
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: the Department of Wildlife and Conservation Ecology have been shocking

961
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,760
Speaker 1: Leandro Creek in New Mexico in an effort to compare

962
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: brook trout numbers to native Rio Grand cutthroats, which are

963
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: one of the most malign trout species um in the country. Today,

964
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: the Rio grands are are found in only ten per

965
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: cent of their historic native range, and brooke brookies and

966
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: Rio grand cutthroats are the only trout that live in

967
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: this tiny stream, and the team was seeing five brookies

968
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 1: for everyone cutty when they shocked. However, that's most that's yeah,

969
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: exactly right now. However, most of the brook trout good one.

970
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: Most of the brook trout the team captures they are males,

971
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: and that it's because Leandro is the host of an

972
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: ongoing experiment using trojan trout. That is that is that

973
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: like a is that is that a trout condom? Uh? No,

974
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: I think it's playing off the trojan horse. But what

975
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: you're talking about breeding and trojan condoms too, you know, pocketfull,

976
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: pocketfull of trojan I think Prince said, is that where

977
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: trojan condoms. You can research that on your own time.

978
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep going on here. So what is a

979
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: trojan trout? A trojan trout is a lab produced brookie. Um,

980
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 1: it's that. That's that they are made to carry not one,

981
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: but two copies of UM Y chromosomes that codes maleness,

982
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: So they have no X chromosome to pass on. So

983
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: to break that down, these lab made trojan brookies, they

984
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: can spawn with the female wild female brook trout in

985
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: the stream, but they'll never pass on the chromosomes to

986
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: create more female brook trout. Uh, it sounds like it's

987
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: gonna work. Well, well maybe so. The program has been

988
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 1: going on since these Trojan brook trout have been implanted

989
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: in several streams across the Vermijo Reserve. However, Um, this

990
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: actually all started way back in two thousand eight when

991
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: fisheries biologist Dan Shield came up with this idea and

992
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 1: started making brookies at a hatchery in Idaho. I believe

993
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 1: it was now you said this is gonna work. This

994
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: hasn't been in practice long enough to determine if it will.

995
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: But just to give you an idea, the New Mexico

996
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: streams um first had these Trojan brookies implanted in eighteen.

997
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: By the end of the second spawning season, of the

998
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: fish captured in Leandro Creek were mail and also thirty

999
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: percent of the juveniles captured from test streams in the

1000
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 1: area were the mail offspring of the y y trojan

1001
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: brook trout. So the idea, right is that this will

1002
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,720
Speaker 1: eventually cause the brookie populations to just burn out because

1003
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: there won't be any emails. So you say, will it work?

1004
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the here's the thing. While this process

1005
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: takes much longer, it's like a long game deal, it

1006
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: could definitely be a better alternative to dealing with invasives

1007
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: with things like wrote note right, a chemical They've used

1008
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: that in Maine as an example to rid certain systems

1009
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: of smallmouth. The problem with with chemically treating, of course,

1010
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: is that you risk killing the fish you're trying to

1011
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: save to get rid of the ones you don't. But

1012
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: you know, all good things take time. Man. I'm actually

1013
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: like this story was on like the periphery, Like I

1014
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: thought about taking this one. I didn't read all the

1015
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: way through it. But this is one of like the

1016
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: first um conservation solutions of this ILK where I've like

1017
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: heard and be like, oh, that actually sounds like pretty tenable.

1018
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: So it makes perfect sense. It's just how long does

1019
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 1: it take to play out? And here's a final note,

1020
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: And you're gonna find this interesting because I was blown

1021
00:56:56,080 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: away by this right here. Um. It turns out that

1022
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: east of the Mississippi, several states, including Tennessee and North Carolina,

1023
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: are also very interested in Trojan trout, ironically to save

1024
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: their native brookies, which are being overtaken in many watersheds

1025
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: by non native rainbow trout. So we've stopped so many

1026
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: rainbows on the East coast that they are actually breeding

1027
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: strongly enough in certain areas that little wild rainbows are

1028
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: overtaking our prized native brookies. So these states want these

1029
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: labs and hatcheries to start creating Trojan wy y rainbows

1030
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: for us to put in these mountain trickles in North

1031
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: Carolina and West Virginian stuff to get rid of the rainbows. Yeah,

1032
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: I'm genuinely excited about this. Man. You hear this kind

1033
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: of story played out with like early you know, I'm

1034
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: using quotes wildlife management, you know, particularly like I was

1035
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: talking with somebody about this the other day, like wild

1036
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: life diplomacy, like uh, like Roosevelt dropped all those elk

1037
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: down in New Zealand. You know, you know what I mean.

1038
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: It's it's weird that coinciding with the ease of international travel.

1039
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: A lot of folks were like, you know what, you know,

1040
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a great like gift to uh to

1041
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: give to this this country that I'm hoping to build

1042
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: relations with an invasive species. Yeah, yeah, you know, And

1043
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: I think this is a really fascinating approach. The thing

1044
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: is if you're looking at it on this very small scale,

1045
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: these small streams, these headwaters in the east and these

1046
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: small streams, I mean they're doing this in streams you

1047
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: could jump across, right, you know, like Pennsylvania Blue Line

1048
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: type of streams. Um, But like, is is this translatable

1049
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: to Asian carp to snakeheads? Would it? Eventually? I Mean,

1050
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: now you're once you jump into these big systems where

1051
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: you're trying to eradicate something in this huge water ship verse,

1052
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: seeing how it works just in this one stream first,

1053
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: you know, is that viable? But um, I think it's

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00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: a it's a very noteworthy and and and cool study.

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00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: Um I love the idea, but I really did, yeah,

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00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: And it seems like a good way to like manage

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00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: these really delicate ecosystems that are these blue lines and

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00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: these like headwaters. And I remember, you know now on

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00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: the East Coast, one thing that we don't often do

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00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: is you know, it's not like out here in Montana

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00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: where like all the fish are fishing for a wild

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00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: you know, the on the on the East coast. One

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00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: of the I mean I never killed wild fish on

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00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: the East Coast, No, never, um. But one of the

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00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: few wild fish that I did kill was in a

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00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: particularly good brook trout blue line that will remain nameless.

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00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: I had fished it a couple of times, and you

1068
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: know it was one of those spots and I've told

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01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: you about this place. You fish it like twice three times,

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01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: you know it's spring or summer, and otherwise you're try

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01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: and keep the pressure on it off it rather but

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01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: you could do like, you know, a bunch of like

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01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you can catch all the brook trout you

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01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: wanted out of there and just have a ball. And

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01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: I call it brown trout in there one time. You

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01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: better believe, man, I pulled that thing up and popped

1077
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: its gills, and you know, I mean, I ate it.

1078
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: But the yeah, I mean, the irony of all this

1079
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: is that every most of the things we love are

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01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: theoretically invasive. There's brown trout down the street from you

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01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: in Montana because somebody put them there, you know. So

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01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: I always get a little bit of chuckle out of

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01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: that when I when I see these things. Although in

1084
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: this case we're we're at least dealing with true natives.

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01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: Rio grands are true natives. The brook trout out here

1086
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: are true natives. Um, But you know, it's it's like

1087
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: this is an example of where planting ultimately was a

1088
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: bad deal. At the same time, you know, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: there are other rivers and New Mexico that are loaded

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01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: with rainbows and browns that people love, but they weren't

1091
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: there either. Somebody dumped them too. So it's always like,

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01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: you know, a little like ha ha, say a rainbows

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01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: in Mexico are no no, no, I mean like wild,

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01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 1: I think, so I don't I I don't know that

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01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: for sure, but I mean they're wild throughout the Rockies,

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01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: and there's Rockies in New Mexico. Are there not? Yeah,

1097
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: but they're not wild on like this side of the

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01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: Rockies because we're east of the Continental Divide here. Like

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Speaker 1: I'm listeners, I'm bad at geography, and that's basically what

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01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: I'm asking Joe about, who appears to be equally bad

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01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: at geography. No, you are west of the divide in Bozeman,

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01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: are you not? Now at geography? I leave the East

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01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: coast and I forget that not every river flows north

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01:01:56,160 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: to south. So anyway, Um, but yeah, fascinating, Udy, really

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01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: curious to see how that plays out in the long game.

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01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: Please enter your password. You have one unheard message needsborn

1107
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: in front of a bitch if you give away one

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01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: of my fish and holes by GEO tagging him on

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01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: social media on the flash of end of message, delete

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Speaker 1: press seven, save deleted. Alright, So I hate to do it,

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01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: but we have to talk about something that we'd call,

1112
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: um like a major bummer. But take heart that it's

1113
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: like being used to avoid major tragedy. Washington State, after

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01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: careful science based consideration, has imposed major restrictions on a

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01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: particularly beloved fishery. Um. I'm going to read a real

1116
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: quick section from the official press release put out by

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01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: the w d f W. In an effort to me

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Speaker 1: management objectives and provide necessary protection for dwindling wild steelhead populations,

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01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife today announced a

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Speaker 1: full closure to all sport fishing throughout the Washington Coast

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01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: and the Strait of Juan de Fuca. Uh, dude, I

1122
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: know that there's some like steelhead. Dude, like just cringing

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Speaker 1: in my pronunciation of that. So it's it's either fuca

1124
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: or fuca when it's probably I was like, I was like,

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01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: he's gonna say fuca. We have to bleep those now

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01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: that it's a proper anyway. The full closure will take

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01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: effect Tuesday, March one. So this happened on what was

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Speaker 1: that Tuesday? Oh? Yes, because it says Tuesday, March one.

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Speaker 1: I'm dumb. The closure follows the review of preliminary data

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01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: that suggests the forecasted returns are likely coming back is

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01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: low as thirty percent of what fishery managers expected, foreshadowing

1132
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: perhaps the lowest return ever recorded in some rivers. Based

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01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: on historic return timing, most hatchery steelhead runs have ended,

1134
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 1: and the wild steel head returns are more than one

1135
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 1: third of the way complete and and this is like

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01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: a there is an inception quote a quote inside a quote.

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01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: Throughout our conversations with anglers and the broader coastal community,

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01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: we've been upfront about our commitment to designing fisheries that

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01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 1: meet our conservation objectives, said Kelly Cunningham, w d f

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01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: W Fish Program Director. With this preliminary data in hand

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01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: that now suggest coastal steelhead returns are significantly lower than

1142
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: we've expected, we need to take bold, swift actions for

1143
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: the future of these runs. Now, yeah, now this is tough,

1144
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,439
Speaker 1: and there are multiple sides to what's going down here

1145
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: right away, people and I think we gotta say, like

1146
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 1: west Side Steelheader's heart goes out. But I mean, if

1147
01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: this is what it's going to take to to build back,

1148
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are some people who agree with this.

1149
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: The same thing has been suggested on the Striper coast,

1150
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 1: like how about we just not fish for them for

1151
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: a few years? So, you know, so I feel so

1152
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: bad for you guys, but maybe drastic measures. You know,

1153
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 1: right away, people are going to be disappointed, and this

1154
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: is going to hurt a bunch of guides who make

1155
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: their livelihood pursuing these fish. Um, there is no doubt

1156
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,439
Speaker 1: about that. But here's the thing, at least for now,

1157
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 1: it appears it's short term right the forest through the

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01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 1: trees man um. The fact is steel had been declining

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01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 1: for at least the last seventy years. A recent study

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01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: titled Historical Records reveal changes to the migration, timing and

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01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 1: abundance of winter steel head in Olympic Peninsula rivers, Washington State, USA,

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Speaker 1: by John R. McMillan, Matthew R. Sloat, Martin Leerman, and

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01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: George Pess discovered as much as a fifty decrease of

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01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: returning steel head in the op the study gets into

1165
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: a lot of hard all the facts and much of

1166
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: the outlook is, you know, at least on the current trajectory,

1167
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: grims not good. Yeah, So historically the runs used to

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01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 1: begin in It is like a little background on all

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01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: the on all this and this is something that I

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01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: gleaned from the study. Right, So, historically the runs used

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01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: to begin in November, but the runs have been getting

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01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: progressively later. A lot of folks like, don't even get

1173
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: a jump on steelhead fishing until, you know, I think

1174
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 1: like January is when a lot of folks consider that

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01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: season to be starting in earnest um. The authors of

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01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 1: the aforementioned study hypothesized that this is not so much

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Speaker 1: the fish as a whole, like simply delaying their return

1178
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 1: to freshwater, or like shifting run timing. Rather, what they

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01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: think that we're witnessing is a shortened run, perhaps having

1180
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: lost the early returning steel head in their entirety. So

1181
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 1: rather than like it makes sense because in no migratory

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01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 1: fishery generally speaking, do all the fish come at one time,

1183
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 1: Like you get this wave and this wave and and so. Yeah,

1184
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 1: they're saying, so if there you know, to break it

1185
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 1: down like real quick, if there are three waves right,

1186
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 1: one starting in November, one starting in December, and one

1187
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: starting in you know, January, February, they're saying that the

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01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:21,479
Speaker 1: first and second waves are just like not happening, doesn't exist. Yeah,

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01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 1: and it's not that all these fish have decided to

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01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: move over to the later wave, it's that they no

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01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: longer exist. Now, there's a lot to back this up.

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Speaker 1: Historical ledger. The authors discovered detailed runs from nine to

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty that were significantly larger than what some scientists

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01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 1: even estimated. This is an impact on how we interpret

1195
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: the runs we experience today. So we're working with a

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01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: new data set. Up until fairly recently the steel head

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01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: runs on the Olympic Peninsula were continued. We're considered to

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Speaker 1: be strong. However, with the new context provided by a larger,

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Speaker 1: more complete data set, the level of decline has become pronounced.

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01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 1: To put simply, there used to be far more steelhead

1201
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: than we thought, and we've lost a lot of them.

1202
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: So anyway, all all that to say, while being like

1203
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 1: relatively recent in terms of I guess like the broad

1204
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 1: scope of a fishery's history, the steel had have been

1205
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: sliding for longer than thought. Um. Now, to get him

1206
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: more like local boots on the ground, take by someone

1207
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 1: who is intimately familiar with the OP and the steelhead fishery.

1208
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: I reached out to my buddy Lee Geist. Lee's a

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01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 1: lifelong resident of the OP as well as a member

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01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 1: of this year's Coastal Steelhead Advisory Committee, and I you know,

1211
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 1: I was, I was like, hey, man, do me a favor,

1212
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 1: give me a quote, And he said, the OP has

1213
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: if you have a moment where you're not depressed, please

1214
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: give me a call if you if you want to

1215
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 1: come down from the roof. He said, the OPI has

1216
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 1: been in steep decline, and it's no secret. I think

1217
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:01,440
Speaker 1: the way we determine in season runs is not very reliable.

1218
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: So the slightest hint of being under escapement, and folks,

1219
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 1: for those who don't know, escapement is the number of

1220
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: salmon or steelhead or other anadrumous fish uh that gets

1221
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 1: through the gauntlet of anglers, commercial fisherman and predators to

1222
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 1: reach spawning grounds. So when Lee says under escapement, he's

1223
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: saying under objective spawning numbers in essence. Um Anyway, he

1224
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 1: says that I think the way that we determine in

1225
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 1: season run size is not very reliable, so the slightest

1226
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: hint of being under escapement requires heavy handed moves by

1227
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 1: the agency. I want to be fishing badly, but it's

1228
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 1: comforting to know that those fish will be unmolested in

1229
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 1: March for the first time in a long time. And

1230
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 1: that's a big deal, um I. And it has come

1231
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 1: back to me that's the end of the least quote.

1232
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 1: I know we all like to blame like the commercial boogeyman,

1233
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 1: but and we talked about this in our Madison River

1234
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 1: conversation a while back. Uh, pressure from recreational anglers in

1235
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 1: the guide community has a real impact. We'd like to

1236
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: think that like catch a release fishing is is harmless

1237
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 1: way to like, I don't know, like essentially play with

1238
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 1: a fish. But once it gets beyond a certain scale

1239
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 1: or like a you know, a a Gladwell tipping point,

1240
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: it changes fishes patterns and behaviors, including when it comes

1241
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 1: time to spawn. Anyhow, Lee, thank you for the quote. Uh, Joe,

1242
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 1: your thoughts, Well, what you said is is correct. Um.

1243
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 1: You know, if you go back a few decades, Uh,

1244
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: we we can talk about um, west side steel compare

1245
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 1: that to East Coast stripers. For the guys out here.

1246
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:40,759
Speaker 1: The bottom line is there we're not as many people

1247
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 1: out recreationally fishing for those fish. Like in all fisheries,

1248
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 1: there has been um an uptick in in pressure. I

1249
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 1: don't I don't care what it is. That's the age

1250
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 1: we live in. It's a social media thing. It's an

1251
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 1: internet thing, you know, so when you know, even to

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01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 1: compare the two again, even though we're talking about these

1253
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 1: steel had running these massive rivers, super big rivers, long rivers, right,

1254
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 1: they're still in this confined space, which makes them vulnerable. Right,

1255
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,679
Speaker 1: they're gonna use certain passages to move up. Guys, figure

1256
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 1: that out, um, you know, versus striper in the ocean.

1257
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 1: But even then you look at something like spawning season here. Well,

1258
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 1: you know, if there's three thousand boats in Raritan Bay

1259
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 1: on a Saturday where they're all spawning verse two hundred

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Speaker 1: boats thirty years ago or a hundred boats thirty years ago. Shit, yeah,

1261
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 1: like for anybody to say that, Um, you know, recreational

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01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 1: fishing for for certain things, um like is no longer

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01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:38,480
Speaker 1: a factor. In other words, there's always been this attitude

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01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 1: of like commercial commercial commercial, like recreational guys, the government

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01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: could let us do whatever we want and it's never

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01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 1: gonna have an impact. Now that's not true. Like, that's

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01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: just you know, false false thinking. Um. There are instances

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01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: where I agree more or less, like, Um, tuna is

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01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: an example. I don't I don't think there's enough people

1270
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: with the means to go tuna fishing with the right

1271
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 1: boat and the amount of money, uh for that to

1272
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: make much of you know, as much of an impact

1273
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: as big commercial operations. So it varies, um, you know,

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01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 1: a little, little by little, depending on the what we're

1275
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: talking about. But I mean, once those steel had getting

1276
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 1: a river, it's just another trout in the stream. So

1277
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 1: you think about your favorite trout stream. Forget about a

1278
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:24,600
Speaker 1: migratory run. If that got pounded, you know, over and

1279
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 1: over again and people were taking fish and harassing fish.

1280
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 1: Like you said, any fishery will adapt to that pressure

1281
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 1: and the fish will behave differently. Um it kind of

1282
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: you know. I I won't call him out by name,

1283
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 1: but we recently got a letter from a listener about

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01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 1: his struggles on the Salmon River in Palaska. That's East

1285
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:48,639
Speaker 1: Side Steel, right manufactured fishery. Dude, having good fishing there

1286
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 1: is harder than it was ten years ago. I don't

1287
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 1: care what anybody says. And that's some of that is

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01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,640
Speaker 1: because of some sort of pitfalls with with runs and

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01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 1: year classes. But okay, all those fish are still there.

1290
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 1: You can't tell me they're not adapting to pressure. They

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01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: are getting harder to catch than they used to be.

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01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 1: So um, I think, as painful as this is now,

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01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 1: I would bet the bulk of the devoted West Side

1294
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 1: steel crew is like you know, like likely said, good,

1295
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,679
Speaker 1: give him a frigging break for one season through March

1296
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:24,640
Speaker 1: to just you know, be completely left alone, unmolested, you know,

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01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 1: no fighting. Because I'm also I'm not an expert, but

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01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:30,639
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the further these fish get up the system,

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01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 1: the further away they get from the coast. They've been

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01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 1: through damns and an onslaught of this and that and

1301
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: the other thing. You know, you catch them up the system,

1302
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: now you're you're also fighting a fish that's been through

1303
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:44,560
Speaker 1: a lot of ship So it's very reasonable to say

1304
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 1: that that fish might not have as good of a

1305
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,719
Speaker 1: chance to survive or or get to where it needs

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01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 1: to to spawn. So ultimately, UM, I do think this

1307
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 1: is a good thing, despite it being a bummer right now.

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01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:56,879
Speaker 1: If I was out there, I would be an advocate

1309
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: for this, I would say, good, you know, let's just

1310
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: do it anyway. Um, we're gonna hear what Phil has

1311
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 1: to say. What what conservation message he was more into

1312
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: this week, since uh, you know, nobody can can can

1313
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: mount their their steel head on the west coast, how

1314
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: about some tips on the best way to get that

1315
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:19,600
Speaker 1: seven inch native brookie from the ten carra rod to

1316
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 1: a plaque over your mantel. So we're gonna hear from

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01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: Phil and then We're gonna go right to the bent

1318
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 1: helpline and give you some thoughts on that. I normally

1319
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 1: edit the show at home, but today I'm working from

1320
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 1: the office directly across from Hayden Samach, who not only

1321
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 1: tried to write my own fish News judgment jokes, but

1322
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 1: tried to declare himself the winner. Hayden, why do you

1323
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 1: deserve to win win fish News this week? Well, filled,

1324
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 1: because I'm bigger than you, and the winner this week

1325
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 1: is Hayden Samach. What do you laughing at, Martini? You're

1326
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 1: not an idiot, You're not a gamblooning hellboy, You're a fisherman.

1327
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:14,839
Speaker 1: Best what's okay? So today on the bent helpline, Um,

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01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 1: we have a question from Bradley Dalton. Uh. Now, I'm

1329
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 1: not sure if Brad was just interested in what we

1330
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 1: thought or he meant to have this as a submission,

1331
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 1: but he Brad, If you're listening, uh, here's your answer man.

1332
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: So his question was, Guys, I'm pretty much a want

1333
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 1: to be angler and have never had a fish mounted.

1334
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: But since my understanding is that all fish mounts are

1335
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 1: plastic anyway, why the heck would someone want a plastic

1336
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 1: bath toy? Stuck on the wall. I sure wouldn't want

1337
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 1: to stay at a plastic dear face, but would love

1338
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 1: a monster buck in the man cave. These pictures are

1339
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:55,639
Speaker 1: from Anderson University in South Carolina when I went to college,

1340
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:59,719
Speaker 1: and these are real fish. Bradley is attached three images

1341
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 1: of of skin mounts, old fish, but real fish. If

1342
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 1: they used to do it this way, why not now?

1343
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:14,799
Speaker 1: Thanks Brad Dalton, uh South Carolina. So Brad, Brad, Brad, Brad,

1344
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:21,600
Speaker 1: there's there's a yeah, go ahead. Well, you know, to

1345
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 1: be honest, we I started writing him back. In fact,

1346
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 1: I finished writing him back and then realized that the

1347
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 1: link to tax dermy would make this ideal for our

1348
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 1: Makers themed Bent podcast. We're having this one? Well not well,

1349
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 1: not only would I do that, I'll add to that

1350
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 1: that if we if we as we press on with

1351
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 1: the Maker's deal, there are there is a a skin

1352
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 1: mount taxidermist out there that I absolutely want to have

1353
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 1: on that segment. So this is a good sort of

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01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 1: lead into what we would talk about there. But I

1355
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 1: think there's no other way to start an answer to

1356
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 1: Brad other than Brad is extremely wrong on many count

1357
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 1: I'm not being rude I'm just being honest. First of all,

1358
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 1: like to call replica taxidermy a bathtub toy plastic is

1359
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 1: extremely false. And also to say that to hint that

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01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 1: nobody does skin mounts anymore is also very false. There

1361
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 1: so many different options these days. If you want to

1362
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 1: fish on your wall and in the room I'm sitting in,

1363
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 1: I have all of them, so I can speak to this. Okay.

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01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 1: So the way that I want to answer this, Joe,

1365
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 1: is I want to do like you have a soft

1366
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 1: spot for skin mounts. Yes, I do, I do, but

1367
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 1: but like not like to the exclusion of other things.

1368
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 1: But you like them, I do. Now, I don't dislike

1369
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 1: skin mounts, but I am a proponent of the fiberglass mounts,

1370
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,719
Speaker 1: and and we'll and we'll get to that in a minute.

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01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 1: So why don't you start off talking about the skin

1372
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 1: mounts and then I'll pick it up with the fiberglass replicas.

1373
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:56,599
Speaker 1: What do you think? Yeah, I mean that that's well,

1374
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 1: I I yeah, But I can't do that exclusively because

1375
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 1: it's not a you're the replica guy and I'm the

1376
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: skin mount guy. It's it's totally case by case. And

1377
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 1: I am certainly a huge fan of replica amounts. That's

1378
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 1: mostly what I have. But I think, um, first of all,

1379
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 1: they're fiberglass, not plastic. That's neither here nor there. The

1380
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 1: bad reputation that replica mounts get, right, it is from

1381
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 1: the fact that you can get them from a bunch

1382
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:25,639
Speaker 1: of different sources. And I am here to tell you

1383
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 1: if you catch a fish, or for that matter, shoot

1384
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 1: a shoot an animal, deer, elk, whatever, and like you

1385
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 1: really want that thing on your wall, that is not

1386
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 1: the time to pinch pennies. Like there is no such

1387
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 1: thing as budget taxidermy. I don't care whether it's skin

1388
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 1: or replica or what. So, yeah, I mean just to

1389
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 1: use um. I'm looking right now. The first bass stripe

1390
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,719
Speaker 1: bass I ever call it, that was that was broke

1391
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 1: forty pounds. I had a replica mount made. I had

1392
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 1: that made by a small time operator in Philadelphia who

1393
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 1: was own throughout the area for his detailed paint work.

1394
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,759
Speaker 1: So even though it was a replica, right, his paint

1395
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 1: work is phenomenal. I love So, I love how I

1396
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 1: ted you up to talk about skin mounts and instead

1397
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 1: you've just like totally trodden over all the replica arguments

1398
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 1: to make. But I'm getting Well, that's too bad. You

1399
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 1: let me speak first. This is the always always, but

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01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:29,759
Speaker 1: I can't I can't talk skin without without explaining this. So, um,

1401
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 1: you know it's it's a it's a beautiful replica mount. Likewise,

1402
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: you catch a forty pound bass and you only want

1403
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 1: to spend a couple of hundred bucks, you can get

1404
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 1: a mount out of Florida. There are are like King

1405
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: Sailfish mounts, Grace tax Redermy, they make exquisite replica mounts.

1406
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 1: There are clearing houses that will knock out a forty

1407
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 1: pounds striper for you for not very much money. And

1408
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 1: it is gonna look like dogshit. Like the paint job

1409
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 1: is not gonna be good. It's it's gonna look like shit. Um.

1410
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 1: So you well, as with everything skin or not, you

1411
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 1: have to pick who you're working with, and more you pay,

1412
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 1: the more you're gonna like it for the most part. Um.

1413
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 1: But to look at something like a forty pound striper

1414
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 1: as an example, one forty pound striper looks like the

1415
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 1: next forty pound striper looks like the next one, like

1416
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 1: the next one, like the next one. There is not

1417
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 1: a whole lot of unique um characteristics of that fish.

1418
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 1: So therefore, if that's the case, you're talking about a

1419
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 1: dolphin you called on vacation, or a sailfish or a

1420
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:25,600
Speaker 1: striper huge proponent. I mean, if you want to of

1421
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 1: letting you know, the sailfish go, or even if you

1422
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 1: take the mahi home to eat, there's no reason you

1423
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 1: can't have your fish tacos, but need to save that

1424
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 1: for a skin mountain. Now Likewise, there have been instances

1425
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 1: where I just felt skin was the the option I

1426
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 1: would be happier with in the long run. Prime example,

1427
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 1: I have a silver salmon here on my wall. I'm

1428
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 1: not gonna get into the whole story because it's very long,

1429
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 1: but there was a very specific reason why I chose

1430
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 1: to have that fish mounted. It was kind of like

1431
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 1: a a hell week and that was the closer after

1432
01:20:57,560 --> 01:20:59,599
Speaker 1: a lot of hard work. It's a particularly big fish,

1433
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 1: and I call it in nil Shick, Alaska, and I

1434
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 1: couldn't get my head around the idea of having some

1435
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:07,639
Speaker 1: dude in Florida who may or may not have ever

1436
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 1: seen or held a silver salmon um painting up a

1437
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 1: silver salmon for me. So in that instance, I had

1438
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 1: a skin mount made, and I had it made at

1439
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 1: a taxidermist in nintil Shick. I paid a shipload of

1440
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 1: money for it. But that was one where I'm like,

1441
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 1: I want the real fish there. I want the skin

1442
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 1: from the salmon that I caught on my wall. So

1443
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 1: I am certainly not opposed to skin mount taxidermy. But

1444
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 1: for me, there has to be I think, the right reason.

1445
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 1: Like I know, I know guys in the striper world

1446
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:43,720
Speaker 1: who don't kill any stripers, but if they catch their

1447
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 1: fifty or sixty pound dream fish, hey, there might not

1448
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 1: be the right mold for that out there. It's like

1449
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 1: they would sacrifice that one that they've been trying for

1450
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 1: for so long to have the real skin on their wall.

1451
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:58,840
Speaker 1: So it's it's totally case by case, right, Okay. So

1452
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 1: to bring it back to the question, people do in

1453
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 1: fact still skin mount fish. Um. Now his question about

1454
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 1: why you would want a a plastic bath toy is

1455
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 1: he describes it, bro, you just haven't seen good ones.

1456
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 1: I guess I don't. I don't really know what to

1457
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 1: tell you. But so here's the reality. Like those replica amounts,

1458
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:25,759
Speaker 1: A replica amount is a fiberglass mold of a certain

1459
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 1: fish and they come in they can come in size

1460
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 1: I believe you can custom order um like a bunch

1461
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 1: of sides, because you take those measurements. You take the

1462
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,719
Speaker 1: length and the girth. Yeah, you take you take length

1463
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 1: and girth. And if anybody's thinking about doing this, shoot

1464
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 1: tons of video, tons of pictures, like do a video pan.

1465
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 1: The more detail they have, the better. For the most part,

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01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 1: these days, a fish will already of sacrifice its life

1467
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 1: to make the mold that you need. However, if you

1468
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 1: did catch something that's like a world record or you

1469
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,719
Speaker 1: can also you know, send that into be molded. Sometimes

1470
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:00,679
Speaker 1: they'll even cut you a break because now the outfit

1471
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:04,640
Speaker 1: is now gaining a mold from your fish. So on

1472
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 1: the rare occasion it can be completely customed. For the

1473
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 1: most part, Um, you know, no fish has to die.

1474
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 1: There's a mold already there. One already sacrificed itself. Yeah right,

1475
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 1: So okay, So the deal here is that, as Joe

1476
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 1: was alluding to, man, you can take photographs of the

1477
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 1: fish that you wish to have on your wall, and

1478
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 1: then you can release that fish. Um, you send them

1479
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 1: in the pictures, they look at it. Uh, they paint

1480
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:31,839
Speaker 1: the fish in the exact same way the good places

1481
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 1: do that's what separates the difference. Yeah, Like they'll they'll

1482
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 1: go in within like an airbrush, and they'll do it specifically.

1483
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 1: You're not just saying like I want a striper of

1484
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 1: this size and they're going like, great, we have three

1485
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 1: of them on the shelf here, and they're sending you

1486
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:44,679
Speaker 1: one because it does not have the same markings. They're

1487
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 1: going through with all the care of how a taxidermist

1488
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:52,680
Speaker 1: would paint a skin mounted fish anyway. Yep, you know,

1489
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 1: because that's the other thing. When you get a skin

1490
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 1: mounted fish, it's not like it's not like mounting like

1491
01:23:57,439 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 1: a deer or a turkey, where like the for or

1492
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:06,879
Speaker 1: the plumage retains its color, the skin just becomes uh

1493
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, like gray, you know, I mean it just

1494
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 1: it just becomes whatever, like you know, detail less color

1495
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 1: um you know, a a a piece of fish skin

1496
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 1: turns into in the taxidermy process and they have to

1497
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 1: paint it anyway. Really, what you're paying for is like

1498
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 1: I guess, the attention to detail in like the scale articulation,

1499
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 1: but by the time they put the finish on it,

1500
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 1: that allows that thing to stay in like in a

1501
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:36,640
Speaker 1: stable form. They've lacquered over those scales anyway, It's not

1502
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 1: like you can get your finger under there. Yeah, well,

1503
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 1: and I would I would venture to guess. I sort

1504
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 1: of know, but I'd love to talk to an expert.

1505
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 1: Skin Mounted taxidermy has come a long way. Like so,

1506
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 1: I collect old skin mounts. I find it flea markets

1507
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:51,639
Speaker 1: and stuff. And as as Brad pointed out, you see

1508
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 1: these old ones, they look like trash. Well why is

1509
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:55,760
Speaker 1: that they didn't have the technology back in the day

1510
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 1: to get all the oil out of the head and

1511
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 1: out of that fish, and over time it will degrade.

1512
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 1: I think that's gotten a lot better with with good

1513
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 1: skin mount guys. Most of the time they never use

1514
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 1: the fish is real head, so the skin is real.

1515
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 1: Often the fins, like the peck fins and things are

1516
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 1: are plastic and added later, and they use a head

1517
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 1: so that that that that lasts a lot longer. That

1518
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 1: was the case with my salmon still looks great all

1519
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 1: these years later. I got a walleye over here. Its

1520
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 1: head is like dripping onto my floor, you know. And

1521
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 1: so and the other thing with it too, is that

1522
01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 1: when you send a fish to the taxidermist, much much

1523
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:40,719
Speaker 1: to the dismay of the breeze, you do not get

1524
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:43,680
Speaker 1: that fish back, like, you don't get to eat it.

1525
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:46,599
Speaker 1: You don't you don't get to eat it. So really,

1526
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:50,599
Speaker 1: when when you when you take everything into account, you're

1527
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 1: basically killing a fish for no significant gain. And oftentimes

1528
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:57,760
Speaker 1: the fish that you want to kill is like a

1529
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 1: good breeding fish based Really, I don't know if folks

1530
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 1: know this, but I'm pretty sure it's whales and humans

1531
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 1: are the only things that live beyond their like reproductive capabilities, right,

1532
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 1: So any large fish that you're killing probably has the

1533
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 1: potential to be one of the best breeders in that

1534
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 1: in that like you know, stock of fish. So yeah,

1535
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 1: with a lot of things, with a lot of things,

1536
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 1: not not all but you but you're right, but you're right.

1537
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 1: I will throw Okay, well I was gonna say that. Um.

1538
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 1: The other thing that you like run into it is

1539
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:41,360
Speaker 1: like tarpin, right. Tarpin famously are not a good fish

1540
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 1: to eat. In fact, like there's that I don't know

1541
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:45,599
Speaker 1: if it's like a rumor or like an actual thing

1542
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 1: where they tried to make cat food out of them

1543
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 1: in the fifties, but even the cats wouldn't need them. Yeah,

1544
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 1: I think it's urban legend, but I've heard that. Yeah. Um,

1545
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 1: so it's like just why do it? Man, There's just

1546
01:26:57,320 --> 01:26:59,680
Speaker 1: like no point in it. And what the other thing is,

1547
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:02,799
Speaker 1: you're going to have something that like retains its shape

1548
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 1: and structure like forever. I'm not aware of any instance

1549
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:14,640
Speaker 1: where like a fiberglass fish replica has turned to ship. No,

1550
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:18,680
Speaker 1: they won't aware of a million skin mounts that have

1551
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 1: done exactly that. And I'll throw one more out before

1552
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 1: we get off of this. Actually, uh told to have

1553
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 1: a mixed media in terms of fish on my wall. Here,

1554
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 1: I have become the biggest freaking proponent of having your

1555
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 1: fish would carved. Now. The trick to this though, is

1556
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 1: commissioning a really exceptional carver, because if the guy is

1557
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:44,559
Speaker 1: not like top notch, then they can look more like

1558
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:48,599
Speaker 1: bath toys than the replica. Um but Rich Metzger shout

1559
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 1: out to him. He's he's local per Casey, Pennsylvania. He'd

1560
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:54,639
Speaker 1: be another great guy to have on as a maker. Um.

1561
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 1: He has done two fish from me, a snake head

1562
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 1: and a tiger trout. And it's not cheap. But like

1563
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 1: we said, if you want it done right, it's not

1564
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:04,639
Speaker 1: going to be cheap. The beauty of wood carving if if,

1565
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 1: if the guy is really good, Um, it's a one

1566
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 1: of a kind. So if you order a forty pound

1567
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 1: stripe bass from a replica house, you are getting the

1568
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:17,639
Speaker 1: same shape, size, fish, same orientation as a million other

1569
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 1: people that caught a forty pound stripe bass. You get

1570
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:23,640
Speaker 1: your trout or large mouth or whatever would carved. You

1571
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:27,639
Speaker 1: can have that sucker facing down, up, sideways, tail moving, body,

1572
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 1: half bent, anything you want. It is the ultimate customization

1573
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 1: of amount. And Rich is so good. He actually carved

1574
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 1: a large mouth that was on the cover of field

1575
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:39,719
Speaker 1: and stream for us back in the day. That's that's

1576
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,799
Speaker 1: that's my deal. Like, I think that's even better than replica.

1577
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:46,040
Speaker 1: I think that might be what I ought for next time.

1578
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 1: Should the finances allowed, So Brad, in order to uh,

1579
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:53,320
Speaker 1: just to quickly summit our answer number one, you can

1580
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 1: still get a skin fish mount number two, Uh, you

1581
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:04,960
Speaker 1: are not correct in your assessment of quality. Replicamounts. Man,

1582
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 1: they're good. The fish doesn't have to die. You're gonna

1583
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 1: have it for longer, and you know you'll probably be

1584
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 1: extremely happy with it should you choose to go that

1585
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:17,759
Speaker 1: route in the future. And finally, Joe recommendation for wood carvers.

1586
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:20,680
Speaker 1: That is a I think that's a really solid way

1587
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:23,519
Speaker 1: to go. Man, Yes, it is. Like I said, though,

1588
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 1: you got to do your research and find the right guy. Um,

1589
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 1: the guy used man some of his work. They look

1590
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 1: more realistic than the skin and fiberglass mounts I have. Hey,

1591
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:36,479
Speaker 1: if you've got a question for the Bent help line

1592
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 1: we can help you answer. Do please send that to

1593
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:42,560
Speaker 1: Bent at the metator dot com and um maybe we'll

1594
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 1: rap about your problems and concerns right here on the

1595
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 1: Bent helpline. So that's it for this week. Hopefully we've

1596
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 1: inspired you to get out and make something, whether that's

1597
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 1: a sandwich, a memory, or a payment on your student loans.

1598
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:05,599
Speaker 1: No man for bell, No payments on student loans. Don't

1599
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:07,400
Speaker 1: don't do that. You'll get a financial trouble. I'm not.

1600
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 1: Don't come to you for financial advice. Thanks again to

1601
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 1: Ryan Ebert for joining us, and don't forget we love

1602
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 1: it when you tell us which fishy dive bars we

1603
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 1: should join you at. So keep those bar nominations, sale

1604
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:22,599
Speaker 1: bin items, awkward photos, questions, and whatever else you want

1605
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:26,240
Speaker 1: to send coming to Bent at the b D dot com. Yeah,

1606
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:31,600
Speaker 1: keep using those degenerate angler and bent podcast hashtags, especially

1607
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 1: if you post something that you made, whether that was

1608
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: in a fine craftsman shop setting or walk completely intoxicated

1609
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:41,320
Speaker 1: in the cheapest motel room on the river. Yes, and

1610
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 1: please don't inundate us with every fly you've ever tied.

1611
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:08,880
Speaker 1: Don't don't go bad. Love me, love my