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Speaker 1: We'd like to say, welcome Sarah Westwood back to the

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Speaker 1: Armstrong and get a show. Long time, no talk, Sarah.

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Speaker 1: How you doing, I'm good, Thanks for having me. She

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Speaker 1: is the political and investigative reporter for the Washington Examiner. First,

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Speaker 1: I would I would appreciate it if all you Sarah's

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Speaker 1: would get together and decide whether there's an H on

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Speaker 1: the end of your name or not. Yesterday I was

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Speaker 1: dealing with my son, a tutor and a therapist. One's

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Speaker 1: a Sarah with an H and one is a Sarah

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Speaker 1: with an A, and I kept getting mixed up, and

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Speaker 1: I think you all should just decide on one and

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Speaker 1: move forward. Well, if someone was an H, I would

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Speaker 1: say that is the correct way to spell it without

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Speaker 1: an age. She's forgotten the letter. Also, I think all Kirsten's,

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Speaker 1: Kristen's and Kirsten's need to get there and get together

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Speaker 1: and choose one's fair. Um. So a couple of different

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Speaker 1: directions we could go. Um. First of all, I really

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Speaker 1: I literally liked your article. Before we get into some

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Speaker 1: of the critical race theory stuff and how it gets

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Speaker 1: into the schools um uh. I liked your definition of

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Speaker 1: critical race theory in one of your articles in which

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Speaker 1: you said it is now a catch all term for

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Speaker 1: lessons and policies that encouraged children to see themselves in

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Speaker 1: others almost exclusively through the lens of race. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: that because I feel like there's a lot of the

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Speaker 1: pushback on some of the critical race theory says that

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Speaker 1: that's not specifically critical race theory, but what most of

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Speaker 1: us mean, those of us who didn't go to Harvard

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Speaker 1: Law School in the nineties, we mean anything that leans

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Speaker 1: in society. That makes sense to me, right, And I

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Speaker 1: think you're touching on something super important, which is that

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Speaker 1: so much of the opposition to critical race theory UM

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Speaker 1: or excuse me, so much of the supporters of things

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Speaker 1: that would be classified as critical race theory or focusing

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Speaker 1: the debate on how we define critical race theory. And

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Speaker 1: if you're not specifically referring to the nineteen seventies academics

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Speaker 1: framework from Bell, then you know you don't know what

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Speaker 1: you're talking about, and you're not qualified to engage in

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Speaker 1: this debate. I think it's a way of sort of

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Speaker 1: trying to invalidate a lot of the feelings of parents

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Speaker 1: by making them feel like they don't know what they're

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Speaker 1: talking about. But ultimately, critical race theory has to mean

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Speaker 1: any sort of policy that is focusing on race um

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Speaker 1: and teaching children that they should see the world through

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Speaker 1: of race. And so I think um by pushing back

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Speaker 1: on the idea that critical race here even exists in

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Speaker 1: K through twelve classrooms at all. Uh, it's a way

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Speaker 1: for supporters of this kind of curriculum to avoid having

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Speaker 1: to engage in a debate over the merits of teaching

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Speaker 1: I like that distinction, Sarah Westwood of the Washington Examiners.

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Speaker 1: So you got into a question that I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of parents probably don't know and we all should.

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Speaker 1: How does a particular curriculum textbook end up in the school?

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Speaker 1: Is it come from the federal government, from the state,

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Speaker 1: from the who who makes these decisions? And you looked

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Speaker 1: into that, I did what what we you know sort

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Speaker 1: of laid out in an article about this is that

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Speaker 1: typically it's the textbook adoption decisions and curriculums decisions are

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Speaker 1: you see so many eruptions of CRT opposition at school boards,

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Speaker 1: because that's the pressure point for parents to express their

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Speaker 1: lessons that the local committees are recommending. Yeah, we've been

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Speaker 1: saying for a long time on this show that people

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Speaker 1: and I include myself on this people are not active

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Speaker 1: enough at the local level. Man, we're willing to get

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Speaker 1: some federal policy. Don't go to the city council meetings.

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Speaker 1: We don't go to our school board meetings the things

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Speaker 1: it's at that local level that they're deciding what gets

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Speaker 1: And you are seeing some of that activism take the

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Speaker 1: that was thrown behind UH some parents who challenge school

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Speaker 1: So you are starting to see that happen in isolated places,

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Speaker 1: you're going to see a lot more of that in

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Speaker 1: parents realizing the importance of focusing on those elections. So

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Speaker 1: I was looking at your Twitter feed there Sarah with

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've written anything about this or

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Speaker 1: it talked about, um, we're stigmatizing children by labeling them

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Speaker 1: to normal level. And uh, and you retweeted this idea

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Speaker 1: that it's traumatizing to school to children somehow to tell

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Speaker 1: them that they're behind. Well, what else are we gonna do?

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Speaker 1: We're going to ignore it? Right? That seems like a

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Speaker 1: And there's just an overwhelming body of evidence that the

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Speaker 1: necessarily detrimental to learning in itself, but it certainly taves

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Speaker 1: The masking really fell around the districion. You know, for

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Speaker 1: That follows this latest move from the find administration yesterday

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Speaker 1: these decisions hasn't changed. There were variants in the spring,

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Speaker 1: And yet because the Biden administration has missed its vaccination targets,

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Speaker 1: problem is that this severely under cuts the argument for

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Speaker 1: doesn't bother people that are vaccinated. They've decided for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: so you're not worried about the stick end of it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that would be my styness on

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Speaker 1: Does it work? Or should we be worried about the

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Speaker 1: it's been very confusing, and for anyone who is still

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Speaker 1: their case, no doubt. Sarah Westwood political and investigative reporter

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Speaker 1: the Washington Examiner, follower on Twitter or just read the

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Speaker 1: newspaper or whatever. Sarah, thanks for your time to I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Thanks for having me Armstrong and Jetty