Speaker 1: Hell I Suck at Dating with Deanunglert and Jared Haven
Speaker 1: and I heard radio podcast What's going on? Everyone? Welcome
Speaker 1: to an all new episode of Help I Suck at
Speaker 1: Dating and I might, I might kind of just whisper
Speaker 1: like this for the entire episode. Why are you whispering? Bro?
Speaker 1: I'm recording alive from a restaurant and see in Felipe, Mexico,
Speaker 1: are you surrounded by people? There's actually no one here,
Speaker 1: but I just still feel like the employees are still here,
Speaker 1: so I feel a little guilty. Should we interview all
Speaker 1: the employees about their dating life? See if they'll just
Speaker 1: open onto us, sign a waiver, let them know, let
Speaker 1: us know their deepest darkness secrets. Sorry, I'm gonna crack
Speaker 1: a Pelle Greener right now. Nice Irish crickets love it
Speaker 1: not to be here. Unfortunately, we should drink on this podcast, man,
Speaker 1: we should just get drunk and then just like tell
Speaker 1: our worst stories and then see if it gets picked
Speaker 1: up by us Weekly and get some more listeners. You know,
Speaker 1: Mars Mark shaking his head because we ask you. Man, See,
Speaker 1: this is a random done before. You Just not eat
Speaker 1: for one hour a week can make it for a
Speaker 1: really good podcast. It's just really one hour a week.
Speaker 1: And I know getting Dan anywhere near a phone or
Speaker 1: WiFi or a computer for one hour a week is
Speaker 1: asking enough that I shouldn't add to that by saying,
Speaker 1: please don't eat for the following sixty minutes. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: are You're shoveling food in your mouth? Jared's cracking open
Speaker 1: beverages like, come on, guys, professional broadcasting here. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I guess the reason for me eating was I wanted
Speaker 1: to at least let people know that I'm patronizing the
Speaker 1: restaurant here and I'm not just stealing some WiFi for
Speaker 1: the next hour. Yeah, and mine was for creative content.
Speaker 1: I figured a nice little crack people there like, all right,
Speaker 1: maybe I should crack open a beer with this guy,
Speaker 1: even though it's not appearance of sparkling water mark. You
Speaker 1: except our reasoning. We do, but we also have to
Speaker 1: read Dan's email from last night. Oh sure, this is
Speaker 1: what we deal with trying to put this podcast together.
Speaker 1: This came at ten o'clock last night. Hey guys, So
Speaker 1: tomorrow I'm driving this big stretch in Mexico. I run online.
Speaker 1: It's pretty sketch when it comes to reception, and it
Speaker 1: is similar drive today and had a reception most of
Speaker 1: the day. I might stop an hour beforehand. Hopefully it
Speaker 1: uplicks with Wi Fi. Just want to let you know
Speaker 1: that the chance I gets stuck in a dead zone,
Speaker 1: so I guess we should just be thankful you here
Speaker 1: at all. Yeah, well you didn't even finish it. I said,
Speaker 1: it's it's unlikely but not impossible, right, that's just really
Speaker 1: you in a nutshell, and listen, like like you said, here,
Speaker 1: I am at a restaurant in sand Felipe, So I
Speaker 1: guess to add some uh context to that message. I'm
Speaker 1: driving from essentially from Salita up into Los Angeles, and
Speaker 1: it's a thirty hour drive. Obviously you can't drive all
Speaker 1: thirty hours in one stretch because that's insanity. And so
Speaker 1: I drove ten hours, drove ten hours yesterday, and I'm
Speaker 1: driving ten hours today and today the first six hours
Speaker 1: of the drive is through like desolate Mexican Highway and
Speaker 1: I haven't had service all day until literally twenty minutes ago,
Speaker 1: where I was like, I don't know how I did this.
Speaker 1: I woke up without an alarm and I timed it perfectly.
Speaker 1: And here I am so you know, just went in
Speaker 1: by the seat of his pants. It's pisting angler. It
Speaker 1: help eyes. I got get dating. I gotta say too.
Speaker 1: I crossed the border into Baja California at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the drive, neely lost service, and so I thought
Speaker 1: that I had an extra hour because that it pushed
Speaker 1: up me back an hour and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I've got until one pm. Turns out no, I only
Speaker 1: had until noon. So it's just a whole cavalcade of chaos.
Speaker 1: Where do you park the van to sleep? Um, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of like beach access roads you can drive
Speaker 1: down that are pretty safe. Last night, I parked in
Speaker 1: a motel parking lot that has like big van parking. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, you kind of just figured out. I parked
Speaker 1: in RV park like two nights ago, paid twenty bucks.
Speaker 1: Is Kylen with you or you alone? No, I'm solo.
Speaker 1: I don't think she would like it. If she was
Speaker 1: with me, she would definitely not be happy. It's more
Speaker 1: of a solo thing, you know. Also, on the way
Speaker 1: down from Vegas, it's how you elits. It's not a
Speaker 1: thirty hours And I had my my guy friend drive
Speaker 1: with me because it's a little more of a guy
Speaker 1: trip than a girl tripp. So this is a cool
Speaker 1: thing I have. My email was set up to receive
Speaker 1: emails from the future and I just got one from
Speaker 1: Dean and twenties only four. Oh yeah, yeah, I read
Speaker 1: to you right now is Hey, guys, I was backpacking
Speaker 1: from encoward Ista. We want to end up in a
Speaker 1: Turkish prison. Sucks. Sorry. The good news is local laws
Speaker 1: allow us to do one podcast a week, so I'll
Speaker 1: try to be on. Unfortunately, the WiFi here is not
Speaker 1: great in self block upside down h with a line
Speaker 1: through it, so we'll see how it goes. The good
Speaker 1: news is the delousing means that went up to shower
Speaker 1: for another month. Turkish prisons for the wind see tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Unlikely but not impossible xl x D. You know my
Speaker 1: favorite part of the whole email is Mark, you're just
Speaker 1: assuming that this podcast is still going to be around
Speaker 1: by multiple People's Choice awards a better obvious. I mean,
Speaker 1: let's you're right. If we're in three years from now,
Speaker 1: we're still recording, and it's I'll gladly go to Turkish
Speaker 1: prison for a week for that to happen. So you're
Speaker 1: down in Siulita, right now, Dean, No, I'm in San Felipe.
Speaker 1: Well you were down in a Ulita driving back right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You remember the podcast from two weeks ago when I
Speaker 1: was like, hey, remember I was getting married in thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: Let's make this snappy. No, I know, but so you've
Speaker 1: been down there the whole time? No, And I flew
Speaker 1: up to Babysit Happy for a week, and then I
Speaker 1: flew back like six days ago two parts of Arta,
Speaker 1: which is essentially yeah, it's an hour south, and then
Speaker 1: drove up to Salili Differ a couple of days, drove
Speaker 1: up to Maslan for a day, buried my car across
Speaker 1: to Cabo, and then have been driving up from Cabo
Speaker 1: for the past two days. Well, dammit, Dina, I was
Speaker 1: gonna try to start some rumors because Nick and Natalie,
Speaker 1: uh Nick val and just going for Natalie apparently are
Speaker 1: and saw Ulita. So I was gonna start some rumors
Speaker 1: that maybe you were down in Paradise because that's where
Speaker 1: they filmed the show. With Nick making a cameo, could
Speaker 1: have had this whole thing going like, so were you
Speaker 1: in Paradise? That's the question that I should we start
Speaker 1: the Nick rumor? I'm gonna start the Nick rumor, the
Speaker 1: Dean and the fun because you were down and sell
Speaker 1: you Leita, Nick was down there. Uh, maybe you guys
Speaker 1: are the new host after David's fade. Um. Yeah, David
Speaker 1: speaks down there hosting Klin telling about that. No, it'sunny
Speaker 1: because Nick texted me like an hour ago and he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: imn'n tell you, lad, are you still here? And I
Speaker 1: was like no, I literally just left, like you know,
Speaker 1: four or five days ago. Uh. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: he's gotta be down there to host, So that's what
Speaker 1: he's down there for. Then it's to host. I truly
Speaker 1: have no idea, but I was going to start some
Speaker 1: rumors on this podcast with like you going down there
Speaker 1: and hosting one week, and then Nick and Natali are
Speaker 1: going to be down there next week. And then I
Speaker 1: was gonna be like, oh, yeah, Ashley and I have
Speaker 1: a trip next week, and then we're going to start
Speaker 1: all this news worthy type rumor speculation. And now it's
Speaker 1: all because you were just driving a van. I guess
Speaker 1: to set the record straight, I did ask him he's
Speaker 1: not down there for hosting. He's down there for his
Speaker 1: cousin's wedding. Allegedly, but also that seems like a perfect
Speaker 1: excuse to use when you're down there to host something
Speaker 1: and you don't want people to know you're down there
Speaker 1: to host something, so you said you're at your cousin's wedding. Totally,
Speaker 1: It's kind of like when you ask a cop like
Speaker 1: are you a cop? And if they say I'm not
Speaker 1: a cop, that's exactly what a cop would say, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, I wouldn't really equate to
Speaker 1: that at all. But let's agree to disagree on this thing,
Speaker 1: all right. Well, we do have a great podcast coming
Speaker 1: up that we're gonna talk about dating at some point.
Speaker 1: We have Adam Cohen alsat Uh. He is the founder
Speaker 1: of the smore dating app up just like s'mores, which
Speaker 1: I had smores over this past weekend of Memorial daying. God,
Speaker 1: they're so freaking good. But anyway, he is the founder
Speaker 1: of a small dating app which is apparently the first
Speaker 1: anti superficial relationship app. They're kind of calling it that
Speaker 1: love is blind for dating apps. So we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: to him later about his dating app, but for right now,
Speaker 1: we had something last week that we wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about but we didn't have time because we were just
Speaker 1: jam packed with good stuff. And there was an article
Speaker 1: on Cosmopolitan about dating hacks bringing a crystal with you
Speaker 1: on a first date. Obviously, my dog Lois is very
Speaker 1: excited about this topic. So on the Cosmopolitan article, it says,
Speaker 1: there are a few things you probably take with you
Speaker 1: on every date. Your phone, your wallet, your keys, your
Speaker 1: face mask. Oh, your face mask, that's right. I was thinking,
Speaker 1: like some sort of beauty mask for girls. I was like,
Speaker 1: who the hell would do that? Anyway? Uh, this article says,
Speaker 1: let me suggest one more, bring a crystal. Crystals act
Speaker 1: as conductors and amplifiers that transmit and transform your energy
Speaker 1: and potentially the energy of people around you. They are
Speaker 1: mood changers, energy lifters, and power boosters. Now who wouldn't
Speaker 1: want that type of cosmic help? Dean, have you ever
Speaker 1: heard of this bringing crystals on a first date to
Speaker 1: like get good energy out of it? I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: familiar with the crystals and their ability to sense auras,
Speaker 1: et cetera. You seem like a crystal type guy. I
Speaker 1: could I could tell you. So you walking around with
Speaker 1: some crystals for some good energy in the van? No?
Speaker 1: I actually, I actually kind of really take offense to that,
Speaker 1: so please don't ever say that again. Uh yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I have experience means crystals to a degree. I would
Speaker 1: never be an advocate for them personally, but if someone
Speaker 1: brought one on a first date, I'd say, you know,
Speaker 1: why not, let's let's explore this. If you explore this crystal.
Speaker 1: If you were on a date they brought crystal and
Speaker 1: they were like, yeah, I bring this every first day
Speaker 1: I go on, what would your first thought be. I
Speaker 1: would think that she probably is going on many first
Speaker 1: dates for that one reason, and maybe not bringing that
Speaker 1: for the next one would save her a little bit
Speaker 1: of heartache. But yeah, I would say it's probably likely
Speaker 1: to get a second date after that kind of uh stick.
Speaker 1: But you know who doesn't love who doesn't love an underdog? Well,
Speaker 1: I would he doesn't love an under talking d That's
Speaker 1: why we love Rocky. I don't think it's that weird, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, didn't people used to carry around rabbit's foot.
Speaker 1: That's kind of like, that's no more right. Peter got
Speaker 1: in the middle of that one. You can't carry around
Speaker 1: a lucky rabbit's foot. I remember the rabbit's foot thing.
Speaker 1: I don't think they are again the same thing at all.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're talking about parallels. The parallels you're
Speaker 1: trying to draw today, are hold on? Are they're asking
Speaker 1: for a lot more. If somebody brings a crystal to
Speaker 1: a first date for good luck, a rabbits foot was
Speaker 1: the same thing, because what you're failing to understand is
Speaker 1: the crystal. It's not a good luck charm. The crystal, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's a conductor of good energy. The crystal is essentially
Speaker 1: a resource for that person to channel energy through and
Speaker 1: from and out of an into and help better understand
Speaker 1: the chemistry between her and the person that she's on
Speaker 1: a date with. The rabbits foot is just a lucky's
Speaker 1: rabbit's foot. That's like me walking around with my my
Speaker 1: freaking lucky rock that I have. I'm not a big,
Speaker 1: a big like believer in that type of stuff. So
Speaker 1: you have a lucky rock, do you think it brings
Speaker 1: you luck? Or is it like just in your head
Speaker 1: that you think you'll have bad luck if you don't
Speaker 1: have it. No. I actually used to be super super superstitious.
Speaker 1: Now I'm only a little stitious, But I do bring
Speaker 1: the rock with me in my van everywhere I go. Um,
Speaker 1: it's just a rock that I collected from a mountain
Speaker 1: peak that I climbed, which I probably shouldn't say because
Speaker 1: technically that's illegal, and I don't want anyone to think
Speaker 1: that I take rocks from everywhere that I go. It
Speaker 1: was just the very first big mountain that I climbed.
Speaker 1: It the time little pebble, And I hope we can
Speaker 1: maybe cut this out because I feel like I don't
Speaker 1: want people to know me as the guy that collects
Speaker 1: rocks from mountaintops again, because it's illegal and I'm not
Speaker 1: condoning that activity. Uh, it was just a special moment
Speaker 1: to me, and I took it. Okay, I took it,
Speaker 1: and I have and I've had it for I've had
Speaker 1: it for like ten years, maybe like twelve years. Um,
Speaker 1: it's just a part of the leave no trace mentality.
Speaker 1: You know, you go and you peck out all your trash.
Speaker 1: You you don't let anyone know where you slept. You
Speaker 1: kind of like leave that as it is, and you
Speaker 1: don't take anything from the places that you visit as well.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine if you know thousands of people that
Speaker 1: go to the Grand Canyon every single day, we're taking
Speaker 1: rocks all the time. Eventually there'd be no more rocks
Speaker 1: in the Grand Canyon. Yeah, that's a fair point. Take
Speaker 1: only memories, leave only flip prints exactly, Take only pictures,
Speaker 1: leave only for prints. That's the one I'm more familiar with.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's more or less the same, the same.
Speaker 1: My sister's law isn't is in town right now, and
Speaker 1: yesterday so she flew in and yesterday she broke a
Speaker 1: mirror apparently, like a big gas mirror that goes into
Speaker 1: a closet, and she opened a door and he was
Speaker 1: leaning against it and the thing shattered. And she was
Speaker 1: getting on a plane the next day, and she was
Speaker 1: terrified because obviously if you break a mirror, you're supposed
Speaker 1: to have seven years of bad luck. She made it
Speaker 1: here safe and sound knockout would and it got me thinking,
Speaker 1: I don't really believe in that stuff. Not to bring
Speaker 1: it back to Tom Brady, but I'm gonna bring it
Speaker 1: back to him. He made a video like seven years
Speaker 1: ago of like walking under it because he's not superstitious
Speaker 1: at all, and he walked under a ladder, he broke
Speaker 1: a mirror, he did something else. It's supposed to bring
Speaker 1: you like fifty years of bad luck, and the dude
Speaker 1: went on to win through serve Bowls. So for me,
Speaker 1: let's say this. Let's say this, Let's say maybe had
Speaker 1: he not done those things, he would have won six
Speaker 1: super Bowls because he did that, the bad luck he
Speaker 1: only made it went three. I don't believe that. I
Speaker 1: I'm not a big like Crystal guy. I was never
Speaker 1: the guy that like didn't change his socks. Not. I
Speaker 1: was never that good of an athlete in high school.
Speaker 1: So it's not like I ever was like on a
Speaker 1: hitting streak, but I never changed my socks regardless if
Speaker 1: we were on some sort of winning streak. Um. But Riley,
Speaker 1: I know you had some a list of certain things
Speaker 1: that you could be creepy, could be cool. Um on
Speaker 1: if you brought it on a first date or not?
Speaker 1: I do I'm very curious for these ten items. Um,
Speaker 1: we talked about the rabbit's foot, but a few more items.
Speaker 1: If somebody brought lucky socks, underwear or a condom on
Speaker 1: a date, would this be weird? On? Hold on, how
Speaker 1: are we like just lumping in a condom with socks
Speaker 1: and underwear? How did that? How did that get on
Speaker 1: the lumped on top of each other these were submitted,
Speaker 1: so I think somebody does have this on their mind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got news for you. Somebody brought first of all,
Speaker 1: is the condom used? No? Right, Okay, I just I'm preferacing.
Speaker 1: I'm just giving context the story. Okay, Mark, Okay, sure,
Speaker 1: I'll allow it. It's weird regardless. Yeah, I think like
Speaker 1: in movies at least they have like the lucky condom
Speaker 1: in their wallet. Is that a thing that's not a
Speaker 1: lucky condom? That's like in case they need to use
Speaker 1: that condom that night, which is always a good thing
Speaker 1: to act. I guess it is lucky if it ends
Speaker 1: up being thrown away at the end of the night.
Speaker 1: I think she's saying, like, are you is it possible
Speaker 1: you could jinx it by bringing it with you? Is it?
Speaker 1: Is it weird? Like obviously I would hope that she
Speaker 1: doesn't know that you brought one to dinner because that's
Speaker 1: going to kind of send things in the wrong direction.
Speaker 1: But it's good to have just in case, or are
Speaker 1: you jinxing it by bringing it? I have a story
Speaker 1: actually about a scenario very similar to this, but unfortunately
Speaker 1: my wife is in the other room, so I am
Speaker 1: not saying it, but it involved maybe something in my
Speaker 1: wallet or something not in my wallet, because maybe I
Speaker 1: was thinking like Mark, and I didn't want to, you know,
Speaker 1: get ahead of myself, count my chickens before they hatch,
Speaker 1: if you will, And and then of course I was
Speaker 1: in some sort of predicament where you know, it was you.
Speaker 1: I'll leave it at that. Okay, fair, But I think
Speaker 1: lucky underwear is legit because lucky underwear might be underwear
Speaker 1: you particularly feel good and confident in, and that's going
Speaker 1: to increase your odds of having a good date. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is that like just underwear that doesn't have holes in
Speaker 1: it in your case? Yes? Yeah, Like I make sure
Speaker 1: I wear like my nice pair of boxers. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: call them lucky, I'd call them the newest ones I have.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, sorry, my headphones. I had like halfen through that,
Speaker 1: and so I can, like, you know what, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just go ahead and take a quick five minute intermission,
Speaker 1: real quick, and get my charget for the headphones. So
Speaker 1: that way we're not doing this whole podcast about my headphones.
Speaker 1: Is that okay? Yeah? Whatever helps man? All right, Jared,
Speaker 1: Mark Riley, you guys got this up here? Back all right, Well,
Speaker 1: let's hell, he's back for the guests, Riley, do you
Speaker 1: want to continue with the list? Yeah, let's move on.
Speaker 1: So our our next one goes with the crystal. What
Speaker 1: if somebody brought sage? Alright, Sage is the smelling one, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like light on fire too. That's a that's a
Speaker 1: big check. Please, that's a little intense if she's trying
Speaker 1: to clear because sage is meant to like give positivity,
Speaker 1: right and clear the air of all animosity and negativity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's like clearing the spirits or the negativity around
Speaker 1: any list. And if we've got a clear spirits when
Speaker 1: we first sit down on our first date, like, this
Speaker 1: isn't gonna work out. By the way, Jared, I need
Speaker 1: to call you out because I also I think crystals
Speaker 1: are silly. I don't believe in sage and stuff. But
Speaker 1: I'm a hypocrite because when Green Bay is playing, I
Speaker 1: am dressed head to toe in Green Bay garb because
Speaker 1: it's good luck. I assume the same as for you.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's good luck. I'm just I'm a homer,
Speaker 1: Like I love wearing jerseys. But would you would you
Speaker 1: wouldn't you? Feel like if you didn't wear a jersey,
Speaker 1: it's like bad energy, bad mojo something. No, I'm just
Speaker 1: not the type of guy I like when watching a game,
Speaker 1: Like a lot of people are, like I like to
Speaker 1: joke around with my friends, like if somebody's been standing
Speaker 1: up the entire game and we're losing and then they
Speaker 1: sit down and we start winning, them like, you better
Speaker 1: not get the hell up. But I know it has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the game. I have fun with
Speaker 1: it now, Like anytime I wear a jersey or anything
Speaker 1: like that, it's just because I like being like that,
Speaker 1: that hometown fan that's like a douche bag. Alright, fair enough,
Speaker 1: all right, what's next? Probably what about if somebody brought
Speaker 1: like cliff notes or stats about you, like they had
Speaker 1: things written down. What do you mean they have my
Speaker 1: rookie card, just like information about you, like little notes
Speaker 1: so that they remember, I mean, or where you went
Speaker 1: to high school, talked about I guess, yeah, if we've
Speaker 1: talked about them, that'd be pretty cute. If they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I know, we've talked about your dog before and I
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure I remember their name. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of adorable. Now, listen, if we've never
Speaker 1: met before, like if we never really talked on that much,
Speaker 1: and they brought like like, for example, if I was
Speaker 1: on the show and then like they had all these
Speaker 1: stats about me, like oh yeah, you were fourth and
Speaker 1: and you got elimited week five and Bachelor in Paradise,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, this is a little weird. I agree,
Speaker 1: that would be a little weird. That would be weird.
Speaker 1: I do think I think it's okay to do that.
Speaker 1: It's okay to take notes on these people, but I
Speaker 1: don't think it's great if you let them know that
Speaker 1: you've taken notes on them. I think it's better to
Speaker 1: just kind of use it for a little reminders for yourself.
Speaker 1: When they go to the bathroom, you can quick look
Speaker 1: and see what their mom's name is, and he'll be
Speaker 1: impressed when you get back. Kind of like cheating on
Speaker 1: a high school test. Do you ever have like the
Speaker 1: gator the gatorade bottle and like one side had the
Speaker 1: label ripped off and you put like the cheat sheet
Speaker 1: in the gatorade balls, So you're just staring at it,
Speaker 1: but the teacher couldn't see because the label was on
Speaker 1: the outside. That was always good. When you can do
Speaker 1: that in the first date, you could or wear a
Speaker 1: hat and wear it at the top. Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, your mom, um, Nancy, that's right, Nancy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: your mom. I remember that. Um. So the next one
Speaker 1: we have is what if somebody brings no purse, no bag,
Speaker 1: no wallet, they're just bear, well, how are they going
Speaker 1: to pay? What these like Apple pay or like some
Speaker 1: like I like it. I like I like just being
Speaker 1: clean when I'm out and about. I love it. I
Speaker 1: don't I have a wallet anymore. When it's fantastic, you
Speaker 1: don't have a wallet anymore. Nope, I got everything in
Speaker 1: the back of my phone. You're there, so that's pretty
Speaker 1: much your wallet, I guess. So. But it's one thing,
Speaker 1: it's one item, and that's the best. That is the best.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I mean yeah, be minimalistic as long as
Speaker 1: you can, like offer to pay, and that's all I
Speaker 1: really care about. Sorry, really quick, I just have to
Speaker 1: say this is that's like in forgetting Sara marshillaries like
Speaker 1: I don't wear watching anymore. Mans go with the flow
Speaker 1: and plus the times on my phone. Yeah, you have
Speaker 1: a wallet, it's on your phone case because not a wallet.
Speaker 1: My wallet, that's right here. I don't use it anymore,
Speaker 1: stay in the drawer. I switched to one of those
Speaker 1: ridge wallets, like the little metal ones. I like them
Speaker 1: a lot more. Dude, I'm not joking. My back used
Speaker 1: to hurt because I would have such a thick ass wall,
Speaker 1: because I would keep every credit card, every business card,
Speaker 1: every I since I truly became George Costanza. Alright, Dean's back.
Speaker 1: Hey guys, I'm so sorry. All right, Riley, want to
Speaker 1: get to the next one. Yeah, let's do it. So
Speaker 1: the next one. What if somebody has diet restrictions they
Speaker 1: bring their own food. Well, I mean, you have diet restrictions,
Speaker 1: you can't do much about that. I guess I'd rather
Speaker 1: have that than somebody go to the restaurant and be like, Hi,
Speaker 1: I know this is your menu, but I'm going to
Speaker 1: create my own thing and you're gonna do it because
Speaker 1: I have diet restrictions. Do you are actually have diet
Speaker 1: restrictions with each other? With each other? Hits you're live.
Speaker 1: I believe someone. I believe they're making up blended margarite. Nice, dude,
Speaker 1: you should get me one of those. I love your show.
Speaker 1: So much. I'd like to be clear they're not for me. Okay, hey,
Speaker 1: no judgment if they were. Ashley is allergic to mango,
Speaker 1: but apparently she doesn't know anymore as she just informed me.
Speaker 1: So no diet restrictions on this end. Oh nice. Well,
Speaker 1: So Caitlin is like vegan like twenty days out of
Speaker 1: the month, and so, uh, it's been It's not a challenge,
Speaker 1: but sometimes you have to pick the restaurants that we
Speaker 1: go to because she only has so many options to
Speaker 1: choose from twenty eight days out of the month. Does
Speaker 1: she cheat three days out of the month. Uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: every once in a while, she just like have cheese
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, vegan at the time of the month
Speaker 1: where you crave iron. Yeah, she is iron deficient actually, uh,
Speaker 1: and so she needs to figure out a lead and
Speaker 1: just more iron. I don't know how she's been doing that.
Speaker 1: Maybe she's been taking vitamins or something, but it's definitely
Speaker 1: something that we're working on. I don't know. So she
Speaker 1: can't eat dairy, I mean she can't. She just chooses
Speaker 1: not to. I don't know how anybody could choose not
Speaker 1: to eat dairy. That's a tough one. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: really like dairy though. The only good dairy product I think.
Speaker 1: I feel like his ice cream cheese. No, cheese is
Speaker 1: so overhyped, so outside your mind. Have you ever had
Speaker 1: fresh parmesan like I've had every kind of cheese, crudy board,
Speaker 1: like fresh parmesan, salami. I mean, there's a time and
Speaker 1: place for cheese, but I think that cheese is just
Speaker 1: the people think that you can put cheese and anything
Speaker 1: it's gonna be good, and no it's not. There's a
Speaker 1: time and place when cheese is good, charcooterie being one
Speaker 1: of those times and places. But like an omelet, for instance,
Speaker 1: an omelet is already good about cheese. There's no need
Speaker 1: to put cheese in it. And then what restaurants do
Speaker 1: is they're just like loaded up with as much cheese
Speaker 1: as possible and then just becomes cheese with other things
Speaker 1: around it. And it's like, I don't want that. I
Speaker 1: don't want to melted MONZRELI stick for breakfast. I just
Speaker 1: think that they hold the cheese sometimes. I don't know
Speaker 1: most of the times cheese is in there, I'm in
Speaker 1: there too. What do you guys think about cheese? Yeah,
Speaker 1: let us know. Email us that. I second, what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts on cheese? Reminding the email address I suckon
Speaker 1: dating at iHeart media dot com. Tell us how annoyed
Speaker 1: you are by my antics today, and also tell us
Speaker 1: how much you hate cheese and what you would maybe
Speaker 1: substitute cheese for if you could. Is that a select?
Speaker 1: There's a photo on the wall behind you of two
Speaker 1: men and I decide out of a female. And I'm
Speaker 1: wondering if that's a celebrity that's been to that restaurant
Speaker 1: posing with the owners. You know, I have no idea,
Speaker 1: but I bet you one of you guys will know
Speaker 1: if it is a celebrity. It's too blurry. I can't tell.
Speaker 1: Can you ask the waiter who it is? Uh? Can
Speaker 1: we see if we can get you on the wall?
Speaker 1: Just let them know who you are. Excuse me, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm currently hosting my hit I Heart radio podcast. Help
Speaker 1: I sucondating? Can I get on this wall? Can we
Speaker 1: take a photo of the three of them? Yeah? And
Speaker 1: by the way, I'll take two frozen margarita? Is do
Speaker 1: You'm gonna ask? I can ask? Please? Please? Well? Yeah? Ask?
Speaker 1: And we gotta take a quick break. Oh boy, here
Speaker 1: we go. I'll be honest. There's a lot of pictures
Speaker 1: on the wall here, so I think they're gonna be
Speaker 1: famous people. Uh can Famosa. Oh oh, they're just friends
Speaker 1: of the restaurant. I see, Okay, well that was see well,
Speaker 1: so some of them to answer us, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: That's what that's so there. It is, they're just friends
Speaker 1: of the restaurant that looked really nice that they wanted
Speaker 1: to take a picture up and put him on the wall.
Speaker 1: We'll still take those two. Margarita's right, we're gonna take
Speaker 1: a quick break. But right after that break, we have
Speaker 1: the founder of s'more dating app, Adam Cohen Alsati. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to segu people. We're gonna take a quick break. Hey,
Speaker 1: welcome back to help I suck at dating. I'm in
Speaker 1: Ashley's glam Room. Dean is somewhere in Mexico at a
Speaker 1: coffee shop or a restaurant, surrounded by people who going
Speaker 1: to prom any who. We have a great guest lined up.
Speaker 1: He is the founder of the smore dating app, which
Speaker 1: is the world's first anti superficial relationship app. It is
Speaker 1: Adam Cohen, Ala Salti, Adam, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: joining us. How are you? I am doing underfully. I
Speaker 1: am now in California. Took a week out of New
Speaker 1: York City, the hustle and bustle of that city, to
Speaker 1: get some sun because I'm pasty white from the last
Speaker 1: eighteen months. So uh so I'm feeling good. I think
Speaker 1: we're all pasty white from the past eighteen months. So
Speaker 1: you're from New York and in California right now. So
Speaker 1: I am a Canadian boy, born, born and raised in
Speaker 1: Montreal than myself in the U S when I was
Speaker 1: twenty two and have not gone back ever since. But
Speaker 1: I do live in New York and visiting l A,
Speaker 1: Orange County area. So what do you like better Canada
Speaker 1: the States? Be honest, Wow, there's no I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: win with this answer. So what I'm going to say
Speaker 1: is Canada. Montreal is a beautiful city. Is will always
Speaker 1: be my home. I love living in New York. My
Speaker 1: husband lives in New York, so that's his his hometown,
Speaker 1: but I feel most at home living in Los Angeles. Okay,
Speaker 1: there we go. Interesting answer. I did not expect that
Speaker 1: l A. I used to live in l A for
Speaker 1: a while. Deans still up there some times. It's a
Speaker 1: little too busy for me in New York. Holy crap,
Speaker 1: like anxiety through the roof just walking down the street.
Speaker 1: A lot of people. Um, but it is a fun
Speaker 1: place to visit. I'm not gonna lie Montreal is beautiful.
Speaker 1: I felt like I was in Europe. I went to
Speaker 1: Montreal a couple of times, and it's insane. How um,
Speaker 1: how it feels like I'm in France. It really does.
Speaker 1: It's it's cultural without being overly aggressive, because sometimes in
Speaker 1: Europe it could be a little bit more aggressive. I
Speaker 1: feel like you have the niceness of Canadians, you have
Speaker 1: really good food, and it's forty five minutes from the
Speaker 1: Vermont border, so I don't think you can go wrong.
Speaker 1: Plus the prices are super cheap. I discovered I discovered
Speaker 1: poutine down there. We have poutine. Yes, we have poutine.
Speaker 1: And I think all the poutine stores now are now
Speaker 1: owned by Celindon, So if any Americans go to Canada,
Speaker 1: you'll be getting some Selindon poutine. She bought most of
Speaker 1: the big Canadian poutine companies. Well, my wife would love that.
Speaker 1: She loves Celandian as you can see Titanic behind me,
Speaker 1: So I've heard Celin Dion one too many times in
Speaker 1: this household. So, Adam, I do want to talk about
Speaker 1: your dating app s'more tell us all about it. Why
Speaker 1: do you find it to be a superficial relationship app?
Speaker 1: I've heard it compared to like Netflix's Love Is Blind.
Speaker 1: What made you want to create this? How's it going?
Speaker 1: And where do you see smore in the future. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a great question. So I've been doing this for
Speaker 1: twelve years, so smore is not my first rodeo. I
Speaker 1: built my first dating website as a grad student at
Speaker 1: Harvard in two thousand and eight, so I've been matching
Speaker 1: people since the beginning, even before getting apps existed. I
Speaker 1: just wind it so interesting to bring people together to
Speaker 1: have these meaningful conversations. I love seeing people interact and
Speaker 1: as that you know, actually moved online, it was interesting
Speaker 1: to see what browns were doing in that space. And
Speaker 1: by the way, fun fact for all of your listeners.
Speaker 1: So photos that include cats and dogs get twice the
Speaker 1: amount of interaction than photos without cats and dogs, specifically dogs.
Speaker 1: Though it shows that you're a loving, warm person and
Speaker 1: people want to chat with those people. I've got an
Speaker 1: issue with that method. I don't like how it's just
Speaker 1: so obvious what you're doing when you post a photo
Speaker 1: with a dog or a cat or something like that.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Okay, But to be fair,
Speaker 1: it's also obvious when guys take their shirts off and like,
Speaker 1: here is my six pack app. There's a app that
Speaker 1: does that for you, and so out there you're perfectly
Speaker 1: airbrush photos are only gonna get you so far. So
Speaker 1: throwing a dog. I feel like throwing the dog is
Speaker 1: the better of two eagles. Yes, yeah, throwing the dog.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like a different version of a thirst trap. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's less thirsty, it's it's a wholesome thirst trap. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll give you that one. I'll give you that one.
Speaker 1: I guess I'll say I'm not a fan of any
Speaker 1: of those things, like you mentioned the shirtless picks, the
Speaker 1: air brushing or the dog picks, but I see they
Speaker 1: do serve a purpose and they're there for a reason. Yes, um,
Speaker 1: But back to smore okay, So and feel free to
Speaker 1: jump with any question. So, prior to starting smore, I
Speaker 1: was the managing director of Chappie, which is an app
Speaker 1: that's owned by a Bumble. So I worked really closely
Speaker 1: with Whitney Wolf and her team app Bumble to build
Speaker 1: this brand first product, which was Chappy. When I left
Speaker 1: the company. The truth, the real story is I found
Speaker 1: myself on a beach in Mexico and I met an
Speaker 1: African American woman who was millennial, who was curvy and beautiful,
Speaker 1: and she told me that I ruined her life. And
Speaker 1: what she said was as a black woman, she felt
Speaker 1: as though she had to put a version of herself
Speaker 1: on these apps that she knew was inauthentic. From day one,
Speaker 1: she said to me, out of my know exactly how
Speaker 1: to airbrush my photos. I know what to write in
Speaker 1: the first message. I know what to include in my
Speaker 1: bio so that a man will respond like this, and
Speaker 1: he does. The problem is I'm leading with the five
Speaker 1: sexiest percent of who I am, and by the time
Speaker 1: he finds out who I really am, he's not interested anymore.
Speaker 1: Why can't I just be me? And if you take
Speaker 1: a step back and to all your listeners, when you
Speaker 1: think about all the dating apps that you use, right, so,
Speaker 1: some of them are great, but every single one wants
Speaker 1: you to make a decision first and foremost based on appearance.
Speaker 1: Then it leads to the emotional connection or sex and
Speaker 1: then emotional connection. But if you truly are looking for
Speaker 1: a relationship, shouldn't you have conversations? Shouldn't you give someone
Speaker 1: a chance? Because never know truly who you'll end up with.
Speaker 1: You might say I have a type, right, but then
Speaker 1: you meet a person who is not ever in your
Speaker 1: mindset of who you would be connecting with and who
Speaker 1: you'd be interested in. But the sparks fly. S'more allows
Speaker 1: those sparks to actually happen because you're having more conversations
Speaker 1: with more people. And what's nice about smore is as
Speaker 1: you chat with the person, you get to see more
Speaker 1: of them. So you literally, on s'more can hear a
Speaker 1: person's voice before you see their photos. You can listen
Speaker 1: to their favorite music before you see their photos. You
Speaker 1: can fall in love with who they really are, and
Speaker 1: hopefully the photo locks it in for you. If the
Speaker 1: photo doesn't lock it in for you, then you've still
Speaker 1: gotten closer. Tubing in a relationship by having a conversation
Speaker 1: versus just swiping through photos like a softcore porn site. Yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. That's that's that's a great explanation. I
Speaker 1: gotta say though, what happens in your face with the
Speaker 1: harsh reality of connecting with someone, enjoying the conversation, loving
Speaker 1: their voice, their music taste, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And then you see the photo and you're like, wait, actually,
Speaker 1: maybe not for me. Yeah no, and look, and that's
Speaker 1: totally fair. And you still have got to be sexually
Speaker 1: attracted to the person, for sure. But what we found
Speaker 1: on our rap is your at least giving someone a chance.
Speaker 1: You're getting yourself ready for love by having these conversations,
Speaker 1: by forcing yourself to actually chat versus just swipe on
Speaker 1: a torso or swipe on an airbrush headshot. Because the
Speaker 1: the the act of chatting is something that is part
Speaker 1: of relationships. You cannot order the perfect person to your house, right,
Speaker 1: Relationships aren't made to order and there, and relationships also
Speaker 1: aren't disposable. But we have been treating relationships like it
Speaker 1: means nothing. A million fish in the sea, swipe all
Speaker 1: day long, you don't like the person, move on to
Speaker 1: the next sex x x x x, and we are
Speaker 1: all still single, right, So if we want to be
Speaker 1: in a relationship, we've got to try something new. This
Speaker 1: is what the new thing is. This is it? It
Speaker 1: definitely does get mindless after a while, and like the
Speaker 1: bumbles that tenders the hinges all that kind of stuff
Speaker 1: is you just swipe and swipe and swipe. You know,
Speaker 1: your your board, watching TV, you're on the toilet or something.
Speaker 1: Not speaking from experience obviously, but you just keep on
Speaker 1: swiping mindlessly. So I guess this is great because it
Speaker 1: engages you a little bit more intellectually and emotionally. Is
Speaker 1: there like a limit or something too, how many conversations
Speaker 1: you can carry on at a time or is it
Speaker 1: kind of just as many as you're comfortable doing or yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So s'more is not about blurring a photo or you know,
Speaker 1: you know, withholding someone's appearance. It's about getting you into
Speaker 1: a conversation. So we think about what are the ways
Speaker 1: in which we can help facilitate a relationship. So the
Speaker 1: first thing that we do on s'more, and I wish
Speaker 1: all apps did this, is we verify a hundred percent
Speaker 1: of people because if you truly want a relationship, the
Speaker 1: last thing you want to be doing is talking with
Speaker 1: a cat fisher. So on s'more, have to verify that
Speaker 1: the photos on their profile are the same photos or
Speaker 1: the same person who is behind the iPhone that's one
Speaker 1: to Every profile gets a behavioral score. So if you're
Speaker 1: acting like a D and you know what that means,
Speaker 1: capital D, you're not going to do well on our app.
Speaker 1: People conversation will say is this person being respectful to me? Yes?
Speaker 1: Or no? And then thirdly, we want you to engage
Speaker 1: before you judge. We want you to have more meat
Speaker 1: on the bones before you decide this person isn't for
Speaker 1: me or this person is for me. So there's a
Speaker 1: few things that we do in that vein. And then
Speaker 1: in addition to that, we've also launched a way to
Speaker 1: meet someone organically, which I truly think is the future
Speaker 1: of dating. All these dating apps have profiles, right, you
Speaker 1: go in there and you're storting, sorting, storting, and every
Speaker 1: single thing is a different version of the same. Right,
Speaker 1: all these profiles, they all look the same. We wanted
Speaker 1: to create an experience where you could just discover or
Speaker 1: stumble upon someone cool. So what we have on s'more
Speaker 1: is fifty hours of really cool celebrity dating video content,
Speaker 1: and you can meet people through watching this video content.
Speaker 1: As you comment on the video and as you like
Speaker 1: these videos, you can see who else has commented and
Speaker 1: liked the same content that you did, and then you
Speaker 1: can start a private versation about that content. So we're
Speaker 1: giving you more avenues, more ways to start a conversation
Speaker 1: because truth of the matter is, you don't really know
Speaker 1: who you're gonna end up with, because if you did,
Speaker 1: you would probably be there, right. We want you to chat,
Speaker 1: We want you to take the initiative and really break
Speaker 1: the ice, and so that's what we're facilitating at some more.
Speaker 1: How many conversations do you have to have before you
Speaker 1: start seeing the other person's face, like, until it starts
Speaker 1: getting less and less a blurry. Yeah. So the way
Speaker 1: that it works right now is it requires ten messages,
Speaker 1: so five each way. So every message you send will
Speaker 1: unblur a ten percent everything any message you receive will
Speaker 1: unblur ten percent. So only ten messages not that much.
Speaker 1: May take three minutes, may take three days. Some people
Speaker 1: want to withhold a response because they want this experience
Speaker 1: to really continue, and some want to see a person
Speaker 1: right away, So it totally depends what's cool about it.
Speaker 1: It's not just unblurring a photo when you can see
Speaker 1: the person also locks all the visual content on their
Speaker 1: profile photo. Galleries, videos about them, and all their social
Speaker 1: media networks also unlocked for you. What if I just
Speaker 1: messaged someone twenty times in a row, is that unlock
Speaker 1: everything or has to be reciprocated? Exactly? Takes two to
Speaker 1: tango on s Moore. It will game the system. We
Speaker 1: thought about that because we knew Dean that you are
Speaker 1: going to be doing that. So we like the Dean
Speaker 1: block the basic. Unless the person you're talking to also
Speaker 1: wants to play that game, it won't work. Nice smart
Speaker 1: smart way to plan for the Dean's that's always a
Speaker 1: smart thing to do. Always have to plan for those
Speaker 1: d's capital capital DS, not Dean obviously, for the capital
Speaker 1: is right, the capital ds and the little bees, the
Speaker 1: single bees and all of them. Um Adam, So you
Speaker 1: worked on Chappy before. This is Smore tailored towards l
Speaker 1: g B t Q community or is it for everyone? What?
Speaker 1: What is kind of like the landscape in that regard? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So smore is for everyone? What has happened with Smore?
Speaker 1: Because I'm I am from the l g B t
Speaker 1: Q community. I always found that a lot of these
Speaker 1: dating apps are very focused on Caucasians. You know, the
Speaker 1: straight guy, the straight girl um and the white straight
Speaker 1: guy the straight girl, and it always felt like to me,
Speaker 1: it always felt like the gay community was an afterthought,
Speaker 1: and also felt like a lot of the minority communities
Speaker 1: we didn't really think about how dating felt to them.
Speaker 1: We never really thought about what it means to be
Speaker 1: a black woman or an Asian man on a dating app,
Speaker 1: and so we wanted to create a community that really
Speaker 1: felt inclusive from the first day. So on s'more, over
Speaker 1: twenty of our audience is l g B t Q community,
Speaker 1: which means over twenty of our audience is non heterosexual,
Speaker 1: which is probably four times greater than a tenure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's an interesting point you make too, because, as you said,
Speaker 1: as a gay man, you felt like an afterthought, But
Speaker 1: then to be a person of color in the gay person,
Speaker 1: you're an afterthought of an afterthought. So I'm sure they
Speaker 1: feel a lot more included in the in the sense
Speaker 1: that they're on smore too, huh. And we also, you know,
Speaker 1: s'more is not just a cute name, right, We haven't
Speaker 1: discussed that, but if you're interested, all you listeners out there,
Speaker 1: it's s'more actually comes from the root of the root
Speaker 1: of of s'more is the number one term that people
Speaker 1: use when they give feedback on a dating app, any
Speaker 1: dating app, they use the terms something more. They're looking
Speaker 1: for something where they're looking for a deeper connection. So
Speaker 1: the heritage of s'more really comes from that, and so s'more. Also,
Speaker 1: if you look at our logo, includes the equality sign
Speaker 1: as the top and the bottom of our smore and
Speaker 1: it's held together by a chat icon because without communication
Speaker 1: and the marshmallow is the glue that holds it all together.
Speaker 1: So while it's cute, everything we do at the company,
Speaker 1: whether it's on the brand side or the product side,
Speaker 1: is really very intentional, and I think that's why so
Speaker 1: many people like it. It's very scary, by the way,
Speaker 1: it's very scary experience to be chatting with someone that
Speaker 1: you can see. We appreciate that if you've ever seen
Speaker 1: the show Love is Blind, you know. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, if we keep doing the same thing and
Speaker 1: expecting different results, then also is scary, and that's also ridiculous.
Speaker 1: We need to put ourselves out there, we need to
Speaker 1: try on new things. I love it's more as playing chess,
Speaker 1: while all the rest of the dating apfter playing checkers.
Speaker 1: It seems like one person did you guys? Did you
Speaker 1: guys get the idea from the I mean, obviously it's
Speaker 1: not a new idea, right the love is blind mentality
Speaker 1: to speak before you see kind of thing. How did
Speaker 1: you guys come up with that idea? Was it from
Speaker 1: the show or you guys had it beforehand? Like what
Speaker 1: was kind of like the order of events in that case? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So we launched our product before the show aired. So
Speaker 1: we launched our beta in December of and I think
Speaker 1: the show aired in February of the follow of, so
Speaker 1: just before, like two months before. And no, honestly, the
Speaker 1: concept came from this woman on the beach. She said,
Speaker 1: why am I always judge based on my photo? Why
Speaker 1: am I judging someone based on his head shot? And
Speaker 1: when I took a step back and I looked at
Speaker 1: all these apps, every single one was you know, some
Speaker 1: of these apps the big ta in the room, um
Speaker 1: wanted you to make a decision. Literally, you've got a
Speaker 1: person's name and a full head shot. You knew nothing
Speaker 1: about the person, and so, yeah, it's a hook up app.
Speaker 1: I get it, But don't you want to know something
Speaker 1: about that person? Like? Literally, not one piece of information,
Speaker 1: and so it just felt like we weren't putting in
Speaker 1: an effort into getting into a relationship. But here's news
Speaker 1: to you, guys. If you think a relationship is not
Speaker 1: hard work, then you have another thing coming because it's
Speaker 1: really really hard. Then they've obviously never been in a relationship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not it's definitely not easy. Some are easier than others,
Speaker 1: but it takes a lot of work. And so we
Speaker 1: want you to showcase really who you are because if
Speaker 1: you want a relationship, you're going to have to be
Speaker 1: real at some point. So when that point happens for
Speaker 1: you and you know that you want a relationship, we
Speaker 1: allow you to showcase your crazy voice. We allow you
Speaker 1: to showcase that you're crazy love for I don't know,
Speaker 1: whatever kind of music that you like, and all your
Speaker 1: weird corks, because that's what's going to be what someone
Speaker 1: falls in love with, not your facade of perfection. It's
Speaker 1: going to be with all of the weirdnesses that you are.
Speaker 1: That's why you're gonna be cool, That's why you're gonna
Speaker 1: be different, and that's why you're gonna find love. I
Speaker 1: love it, and uh so I kind of got this
Speaker 1: feeling is smore and correct me if I'm wrong, if
Speaker 1: I'm way off base here, but my interpretation of it
Speaker 1: as it kind of bridges the gap between Remember like
Speaker 1: match dot com was like everyone serious about being in
Speaker 1: a relationship now finding their soulmate, getting married tomorrow kind
Speaker 1: of thing. And then income the dating apps that you know,
Speaker 1: the big teas, the bees, all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: and that kind of influenced hookup culture quite a bit.
Speaker 1: And I think what' s'more does and get again En
Speaker 1: correct me I'm wrong. It's kind of like that intermediary
Speaker 1: you know, like, uh, you can kind of not use
Speaker 1: it as either of those things, but it allows you
Speaker 1: to be on an app on a phone, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of give you that instant gratification, but also uh,
Speaker 1: you know in Bolden's and and and uh ingrains the
Speaker 1: idea of you know, meaning something that's more meaningful. I
Speaker 1: guess that's exactly it. And also, guys slowed down, why
Speaker 1: are we so the average person swipes on fifth, So
Speaker 1: the average man on on one of the tease the
Speaker 1: t dating apps has to swipe between one thousand and
Speaker 1: one thousand, five hundred times to land a single date.
Speaker 1: Think about that. That's a lot of swipes to land
Speaker 1: one date, and the average date lasts for one point
Speaker 1: eight hours and does not work out, so you're spending
Speaker 1: all this time. It's really softcore porn. It's literally staring
Speaker 1: at hot people and doing nothing with that information, which
Speaker 1: is fine, but then just call it an app that
Speaker 1: you know it's hot. It's a hot or not app, right,
Speaker 1: it's not really for dating and relationships. If you really
Speaker 1: want to be meeting a person, you've got to communicate,
Speaker 1: and so we've got to be more intentional. So slow
Speaker 1: it down, have a conversation, understand what you like about
Speaker 1: the person. By the way, if you want something casual,
Speaker 1: that's cool. As long as you both want the same
Speaker 1: things and you're intentional about it, then it's fine. You know,
Speaker 1: we're not saying that you have to get married, but
Speaker 1: I think that everyone's relationship will look different. But we
Speaker 1: need to be more intentional about our conversations with people.
Speaker 1: We are all people. We all deserve some kind of respect, right,
Speaker 1: We're not all there's so many negative words I can
Speaker 1: but we're not just pieces of meat, right. We really
Speaker 1: are human beings. Even though you're seeing a torso and
Speaker 1: a shot or butt shot or whatever shot. We're real
Speaker 1: people and we all want some sort of love, So
Speaker 1: give us some bit of respect. And I think if
Speaker 1: everyone plays that same game, everybody wins. I've got one
Speaker 1: more question for you. So you see a lot of
Speaker 1: these dating apps come out with things like that. There's
Speaker 1: like bumble BFF and tender Friends and all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. Is there, is there plans or is there
Speaker 1: currently an integration with s'mores to Like, it's kind of
Speaker 1: a weird concept to like make a friend before seeing them,
Speaker 1: because it's like, you know, it's it's obviously just a
Speaker 1: purely platonic thing. But is there any idea or concept
Speaker 1: of that coming along? Yeah, okay, so I want to
Speaker 1: answer that question. But before I answer that question, I
Speaker 1: want to talk to you about two other things that
Speaker 1: are not really exactly dating related. But you know, you
Speaker 1: talk about us as this concept of being anti superficial, right,
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, what the hell does that mean? Like what,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means. The concept is
Speaker 1: really about knowing more about the person before you say no.
Speaker 1: And if you look in social media right now, and
Speaker 1: I know your listeners are very super tech savvy, so
Speaker 1: everybody knows Clubhouse right, and on Clubhouse, we're getting to
Speaker 1: know a person by their voice, by what they say
Speaker 1: and what their opinions are, and then we have to
Speaker 1: go their profile to get to know more about them,
Speaker 1: so we're not judging that person based on his Torso
Speaker 1: that concept is already taking place. We all know the
Speaker 1: new amazing cool app called Paparazzi, which is the anti Instagram,
Speaker 1: which is an app where your friends create your feed.
Speaker 1: Your friends are showing you the authentic you, and you're
Speaker 1: not being able to curate the most perfect life. By
Speaker 1: the way, that's all anti superficial. We're being real. S'more
Speaker 1: is doing the same thing in the dating space. We're
Speaker 1: forcing you to be real and we're saying that if
Speaker 1: you're real, you'll win. And to answer your second question
Speaker 1: which is your first question because you only answered asked
Speaker 1: one question friends. Yes, fifty of singles don't use dating apps.
Speaker 1: That's a crazy staff. Fifty percent of singles do not
Speaker 1: use a dating app. Why Because it's salacious, there's dick pics,
Speaker 1: it's crazy, it's uncomfortable, there's high pressure. But as people
Speaker 1: still want loves and those people use more of community
Speaker 1: apps like next door, which is really an app to
Speaker 1: tell you who your neighbors are, you who were Where
Speaker 1: can I go walk my dog? Where can I you know,
Speaker 1: go to uh whatever, a makeup gathering or a bake
Speaker 1: sale or whatever it is. But all these single people
Speaker 1: feel less pressure being on these common interests and using
Speaker 1: air quotes guys these common interest apps because there's a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure with being on a dating app, which
Speaker 1: is why our app is not a dating app, is
Speaker 1: a relationship app. So if you want to go and
Speaker 1: make a friend once more, we have a friendship finder
Speaker 1: already in the app. We designed it with that already
Speaker 1: included because we knew that no, not everyone wants this
Speaker 1: transactional concept of a date. No, not everyone wants to
Speaker 1: sort through resumes of people to look for a date.
Speaker 1: Some people just want to stumble upon someone cool, watch
Speaker 1: a video, meet someone cool, go into a chat room,
Speaker 1: meet someone cool, listen to their voice, meet someone cool.
Speaker 1: So we've already created these more organic ways to meet people,
Speaker 1: which are think more friendship focused than dating focus. But hey,
Speaker 1: it couldn't couldn't up in a date, couldn't up as
Speaker 1: a friendship. Either way, you win. I'd also like to
Speaker 1: point out that Dean said earlier he didn't like guys
Speaker 1: who posted pictures with their dogs or posted shirtless pictures.
Speaker 1: So I went on Dean's Instagram and there's a nice
Speaker 1: picture of him and Pappy. Then he posted and then
Speaker 1: look at this un huh, nice little shirtless pick for him. Nobody.
Speaker 1: If you guys are listening right now, you can't notice,
Speaker 1: but I've I've showed a nice picture of Dean with
Speaker 1: a shirt off and a nice picture of him and Pappy. Okay, Dean,
Speaker 1: are you single? I'm ready to mingle or what's your situation?
Speaker 1: I am he's allowed to. That's that's him and his
Speaker 1: girlfriend's dog. And let me just defend myself for a second. Okay,
Speaker 1: the photo with Pappy was announcing our adoption of him
Speaker 1: because he's fantastic and we wanted to show the world
Speaker 1: that we're you know, we're fans of fostering all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And the shirtless picture wasn't at and
Speaker 1: I was just trying to get some more engagement on it. Okay,
Speaker 1: so it works, my friend, But thank you for holding
Speaker 1: me accounable, though I appreciate it. The Dems are also
Speaker 1: blowing up from all these single ladies who want a
Speaker 1: piece of that action. Yes, all right, well, and I
Speaker 1: knew what I was doing when I was doing it,
Speaker 1: like I said, But but I digress. You're right, You're right,
Speaker 1: I take it all back. Oh, trust me, and come on,
Speaker 1: I have plenty of pictures of me and Lois. I'm
Speaker 1: that guy as well. Um, well, I'm sorry, I Adam.
Speaker 1: I just want to say thank you so much for
Speaker 1: joining us. We really appreciate it. Everybody listening. Uh s'more
Speaker 1: go download the app right now if you're single and
Speaker 1: actually looking for a relationship. It sounds like an incredible app.
Speaker 1: Or you can go to smore date dot com to
Speaker 1: view more information about it. I love it because I
Speaker 1: always find that when I meet someone, I find I
Speaker 1: end up finding them more attractive or actually less attractive
Speaker 1: when I get to know their personality. So I love
Speaker 1: the idea of your app because it really just flips
Speaker 1: that on its head, where you find someone either more
Speaker 1: or less attractive based on their personality, and then you
Speaker 1: find out what they look like. So um, congratulations on
Speaker 1: your all your excess, Adam, and enjoy that sunshine in
Speaker 1: Orange County. Thank you I'll just say one more quick
Speaker 1: thing to your fot, your fans and followers. We have
Speaker 1: this really cool celebrity dating show on Instagram called s'more
Speaker 1: a Live Happy Hour, and we just shot our one
Speaker 1: hundredth episode in honor of Pride with T. S. Madison,
Speaker 1: who is one of those famous transgender people I think
Speaker 1: in this country. And we break into with these celebrities.
Speaker 1: They really tell us why their relationships have not worked,
Speaker 1: what has worked for them, crazy dating stories. We play
Speaker 1: hilarious dating games and you've never seen your favorite celebrities
Speaker 1: be this raw. So even if you're not wanting to
Speaker 1: do join Some More or you're married or have you
Speaker 1: go check out our I G t V. The content
Speaker 1: is hilarious. It is so much fun, and you know,
Speaker 1: you get to be a little bit more intimate with
Speaker 1: your favorite celebrities. Oh yeah, you have tons of them
Speaker 1: up there. Page. We had Page on the podcast She's
Speaker 1: Dudes in the d m s right. Yes, yes, it's great.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely everybody listening. Go check out some More
Speaker 1: day on Instagram. You can watch all these dating shows.
Speaker 1: Oh you had Garrett on Garrett Powell from the Bachelor,
Speaker 1: Oh yes, we had all of them be Plantic. You
Speaker 1: had Ben Flannic, Holy crowd, that's a throwback name. You
Speaker 1: had Wells. Wait a minute, do you know well, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's not single. He's dating. Oh yeah, he's with
Speaker 1: Sarah Hyland from Modern Family. No, it's not everyone's single. Okay.
Speaker 1: I was like, wait a minute, now he's definitely. He's
Speaker 1: definitely a relationship. I think he's even engaged. But it's
Speaker 1: it's funny because we know, we think we know all
Speaker 1: these celebrities. We have a ton of housewives, and we
Speaker 1: you know, we really go into it. How did you
Speaker 1: know your last relationship didn't work? Why did you break
Speaker 1: up with them? What is your craziest dating stories? Some
Speaker 1: of these people's dating stories are the most insane things
Speaker 1: I've ever heard. And the idea behind the show is, look,
Speaker 1: if we're single, sometimes we feel like we've been doing
Speaker 1: something wrong. Why is it me? How come im all alone?
Speaker 1: What do I feel this way? Got news for you everyone,
Speaker 1: You're not alone. So many people have felt this way before,
Speaker 1: and I think we could learn from these shared experiences.
Speaker 1: So that's just my take. But the videos are hilarious.
Speaker 1: We have the next twenty episodes already booked, so make
Speaker 1: sure you're following some more and yeah it's really fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's super cool. Man, you have something great guests,
Speaker 1: So everybody listening, go check out some more days Instagram
Speaker 1: and watch these. These are great. Thank you again and
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it, but all right, take care. Hey,
Speaker 1: welcome back to help by Sucker Dating. Should I say
Speaker 1: that every time? I guess? Not? Right? Hey, welcome back.
Speaker 1: You guys know where you're at. It's helped by Second
Speaker 1: Dating Podcast. We have an email our favorite segment, and
Speaker 1: we have our favorite person reading the email. Mark. Thanks Jay, Mark,
Speaker 1: if you could be quiet, so Riley our favorite person
Speaker 1: can email, that would be great, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Is Dean here? Great question, let's check in. He's coming back.
Speaker 1: All right, hold on stand by, stand by people. Technical
Speaker 1: difficulties down in Baja California. Sorry here he is. Do
Speaker 1: on purpose? Actually did do on purpose, but I just
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure my connection was pure for this
Speaker 1: monthent Uh segment. All right, here we go. This is
Speaker 1: from an anonymous emailer who sent this to us. Six
Speaker 1: months into my relationship, my boyfriend opened up the keeping
Speaker 1: in contact hanging with X's kind of worms, He told me.
Speaker 1: He was still in contact with most of his exes
Speaker 1: and remained good friends with them all. He occasionally messages
Speaker 1: it with them and sometimes even grabs lunch or dinner
Speaker 1: with some of them. His best friend is a girl
Speaker 1: he used to date, so he's always hanging out with
Speaker 1: an AX as it is. At first, I was pretty
Speaker 1: upset about the whole situation. I, on the other hand,
Speaker 1: I'm not close to any guys I've dated. But now,
Speaker 1: fast forwarding two years into our relationship, the tables have turned.
Speaker 1: Literally last week, I had an ex resurface who just
Speaker 1: moved close to where we live and swiped up on
Speaker 1: my Instagram story and started a friendly conversation. He asked
Speaker 1: me out to dinner to catch up. I said yes
Speaker 1: immediately the beginning of it, I communicated it to my
Speaker 1: boyfriend and he got extremely upset. I don't like the
Speaker 1: double standards I'm seeing. Help. How should they go about this? Well,
Speaker 1: if this guy is getting upset at you for hanging
Speaker 1: out with an X, meanwhile he's been constantly hanging out
Speaker 1: with multiple of his ex is, including a best friend
Speaker 1: that he sees all the time that he used to date,
Speaker 1: then this guy, this guy is hiding something. That's what
Speaker 1: I think. He's getting upset because he knows what he's
Speaker 1: doing and he knows that it's not the right intention.
Speaker 1: So now he's, you know, experiencing the other the shoe
Speaker 1: on the other foot, and he's not liking it. Jared,
Speaker 1: I gotta say, even on this podcast together for to
Speaker 1: or three years now and there isn't it almost four? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Jared's only been doing it for three right Anyways,
Speaker 1: My point is, however amount of time we been doing
Speaker 1: this podcast together, I think this might be the first
Speaker 1: time I have actually agreed with your take on an
Speaker 1: email about to say I felt very profound while saying it.
Speaker 1: It was a good take. I think you're right. I
Speaker 1: think that hypocrisy is real. I think the only reason
Speaker 1: he would be getting upset about you doing the same
Speaker 1: thing he's doing is because he's been getting away with
Speaker 1: doing something shady and he knows that there is now
Speaker 1: the possibility of you doing that same thing unbeknownst to him,
Speaker 1: and so that's kind of why he's getting a little
Speaker 1: peeved off by it. I find the whole thing shady.
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest and anonymous. I'm so grateful for
Speaker 1: you listening, and I appreciate you emailing us. It's our
Speaker 1: favorite part of the podcast. Please keep emailing us. But
Speaker 1: I gotta say you said yes to hanging out with
Speaker 1: an X immediately without even thinking about it. While for
Speaker 1: the past six months you've been so upset about your
Speaker 1: boyfriend meeting up with exes. You didn't you did that
Speaker 1: didn't cross your mind at all before saying this. I
Speaker 1: think it's more like, oh, this is something we do
Speaker 1: in my relationship. Yeah, I live to have dinner with you.
Speaker 1: I guess if Anonymous is so upset about her boyfriend
Speaker 1: doing it, why wouldn't she be like, oh, I wonder
Speaker 1: if this is like my point being, I don't believe you, Anonymous,
Speaker 1: when you said I didn't even think about it. I
Speaker 1: think you thought about it, and I think you said
Speaker 1: if he can do it, I can do it. Maybe
Speaker 1: she's acting out of vengeance, you know, like she's like, oh, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: so he's doing it, I'm gonna do it. Maybe I
Speaker 1: guess I interpreted as like her ex moved to town,
Speaker 1: hadn't been there ever before, and he's like, I don't
Speaker 1: have any friends, Like, do you want to meet up
Speaker 1: and hang out? Kind of thing, which kind of is
Speaker 1: it's much more possible. But I do agree Jared, You're
Speaker 1: you're on one it right now. Because if you're upset
Speaker 1: about it and then you go turn around and do
Speaker 1: the exact same thing, what are you saying. Are you
Speaker 1: saying you don't respect the relationship enough to spare him
Speaker 1: your boyfriend of the feelings that you feel when he
Speaker 1: wants to go hang out with his exes. Sounds like
Speaker 1: the relationship is kind of on its way out. Mark,
Speaker 1: what do you think? And all your in all your wisdom,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to come up with a justification for this guy,
Speaker 1: blatant hippocry Seeing guys like this have a justification, I'm
Speaker 1: wondering what it is. I wonder if it's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: hanging out with X is something I do, It's not
Speaker 1: something you do. And therefore, if you're doing it, you
Speaker 1: must have alterior motives, where I know for sure that
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. I'm trying to figure it
Speaker 1: out because it's such a blatant flip flop on the
Speaker 1: issue that he's got to kind of twist himself into
Speaker 1: a pretzel to justify it. I agree with Jared Jared's right,
Speaker 1: this is a problem and it's not good, and he's
Speaker 1: up to tell me. Shady Mark, you said most guys
Speaker 1: come up with justifications. Are they justifications? Are they just excuses?
Speaker 1: Their excuses, their gas lighting to make you think you're
Speaker 1: crazy for questioning them? Well, Jared, your friends the next,
Speaker 1: aren't you? So what if actually in order to turn
Speaker 1: around and become friends with an X am my friends
Speaker 1: with an next? I mean, aren't you? I thought you
Speaker 1: said you were like really like one of your best
Speaker 1: friends was a girl that you did in high school
Speaker 1: or something like that. No, No, we never dated. She's
Speaker 1: a girl, though, but we never had any relationship history.
Speaker 1: She's like very much like a sister to me, UM,
Speaker 1: And there was never that like set school chemistry between
Speaker 1: the two of us, so it was never awkward. But
Speaker 1: I can see how, like, if a best friend was
Speaker 1: a girl in there was like this weird past, how
Speaker 1: that would be far different than being friends with a
Speaker 1: female that you've legitimately never had anything with. Um. I
Speaker 1: remember I was before Ashley. I tried being friends with
Speaker 1: an X and it was just never good. I mean
Speaker 1: it was great, She's an amazing human being, but like
Speaker 1: it would always lead to physical intimacy because we're both single.
Speaker 1: It was just like we all I think I knew
Speaker 1: in the back of my head as soon as we
Speaker 1: started dating someone else, like we couldn't be friends anymore,
Speaker 1: you know, So what type of friendship is that? Right?
Speaker 1: I guess I'm yeah, I'm trying to put myself in
Speaker 1: their shoes. I'm mostly cordial with my ex's. I don't
Speaker 1: think i'd ever really go out of my way to
Speaker 1: hang out with any of them though, Although there was
Speaker 1: a time early on in minding Killen's relationship where I
Speaker 1: an ex I came out with me and my friends
Speaker 1: out in Denver and I texted Kilin right away. I
Speaker 1: was like, hey, Kaitlin, just so you know, like one
Speaker 1: of my ex girlfriends is coming out tonight. She was
Speaker 1: like totally cool with it. But I would never turn around,
Speaker 1: Like if let's say Kalin had an X come to
Speaker 1: town and they met up for dinner, I guess I'd
Speaker 1: be like kind of bummed, But I wouldn't be like,
Speaker 1: you can't do that, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you would be like Kalin, it's okay, it's fine, have fun,
Speaker 1: but then you'd hang up on the phone and be like,
Speaker 1: if this guy does anything, I will kill him. Oh yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: because it's not like you don't trust Kalin, so you
Speaker 1: trust Kalin, you just don't trust the guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: I trust Kalen. I don't distrust the guy either. I
Speaker 1: guess I don't know. I guess My point is I
Speaker 1: would be I would be bummed. I would be like, like,
Speaker 1: I would see why she wanted to do it right,
Speaker 1: because it's like you kind of like get to take
Speaker 1: a walk down memory lane, catch up with an old
Speaker 1: friend or ex boyfriend, whatever it is, but they're still
Speaker 1: just like I think it's just inherent that you're gonna
Speaker 1: be like, oh, like that kind of stinks, but you know,
Speaker 1: I know nothing's bad. It's gonna happen. That's how I
Speaker 1: would look at it at least. So what does anonymous
Speaker 1: do here? Is a time for an ultimatum? Is it
Speaker 1: time for a look? You can hang out with your
Speaker 1: axes or you can date me? You can't do both?
Speaker 1: Or is it the ultimatum? If you get to hang
Speaker 1: out with your exes, I could hang out with mine,
Speaker 1: because that just seems like a road down a path
Speaker 1: towards distrust that's not gonna end up. Well, Well, Jared's
Speaker 1: been knocking the sun of the park, so I think
Speaker 1: he should give some advice here. I don't think she
Speaker 1: should give an ultimatum of hey, if you hang out
Speaker 1: with your exes, I'm going to hang out with mine,
Speaker 1: because I agree with you Mark, that's just a dumpster
Speaker 1: fire waiting to happen. I think that she needs to
Speaker 1: sit down with him and discuss the fact that she
Speaker 1: doesn't feel comfortable with him hanging out with exes, and
Speaker 1: if he has a big issue with that, then maybe
Speaker 1: it is time to start moving away from the relationship.
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys are six months in. It's not
Speaker 1: like the devoted This came up first after six months,
Speaker 1: but now it's been two years. God, I should read
Speaker 1: the whole email. Two years that makes a big difference. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then I would. Yeah, if if he has a big
Speaker 1: if he has a big issue with giving up hanging
Speaker 1: out with his exes then or at least as frequently
Speaker 1: as he is now, then yeah, that might be a
Speaker 1: red flag. Because the biggest red flag that I find
Speaker 1: in this email is that he got so upset when
Speaker 1: she brought up the idea of her hanging out with
Speaker 1: an X, which makes me think he obviously is doing
Speaker 1: something shady with his exes, because if he wasn't, then
Speaker 1: he'd be like, Okay, yeah, I go have fun, like
Speaker 1: I'm I'm very trustworthy with my exes, but he obviously isn't.
Speaker 1: He's like, wait a minute, what are you doing? No?
Speaker 1: No, no no, no, no, I know how this goes down.
Speaker 1: I mostly agree with what you're saying. I think that
Speaker 1: she should approach the situation a little differently, though. I
Speaker 1: think that she should bring up the fact that he
Speaker 1: got so upset about her hanging out with an X
Speaker 1: and kind of push him on that a little bit
Speaker 1: more and be like, why are you upset? You don
Speaker 1: just be like honest and confrontational about it, be like,
Speaker 1: if you're doing this all the time, why is it
Speaker 1: something that I'm not allowed to do. I think that
Speaker 1: will uncover a lot of uh, you know, possibilities, or
Speaker 1: like just kind of open open line of communication that
Speaker 1: wasn't open before, Like why are you upset? What's going on?
Speaker 1: Why don't you like that I'm doing this? If you're
Speaker 1: doing it, why can't I do it? Kind of thing.
Speaker 1: So I think that's kind of the approach you should
Speaker 1: take is take that and see where it goes. I
Speaker 1: think Dean him ahead, and then that might lead them
Speaker 1: to being like and then he you know, he gets
Speaker 1: pushed hard and he like, oh I made out with
Speaker 1: my ex last week. You know, like, yeah, then that's
Speaker 1: the can of worms. That's like the next week if
Speaker 1: that comes out and let us know how the situation
Speaker 1: happened anyway, that'll do it, right, Dean. I don't know
Speaker 1: what did you just have like a stoker? I think
Speaker 1: I did. I'm losing it. I'm losing it. It's hot
Speaker 1: in here, like you had moved on to your second
Speaker 1: sentence before you. I know, I gotta slow down any
Speaker 1: who you know, Jared, Jared, I think that's a good
Speaker 1: that's a good stopping point, as you are alluding to.
Speaker 1: That's that's definitely good place for to stop. I got
Speaker 1: a good six hours to drive still, so I'm ready
Speaker 1: to hit the road. I appreciate you, guys. I appreciate
Speaker 1: I appreci you guys working with me through this, uh
Speaker 1: this episode. I hope that this audio is usable. I
Speaker 1: hope that the listeners of this aren't super piste off
Speaker 1: at me just a little. You can be a little
Speaker 1: bit piste off, just not super piste off. The listeners
Speaker 1: in general. If I'm putting up with this show every
Speaker 1: single week, we really appreciate your listeners. You guys are
Speaker 1: good people. Yeah. I'll tell you what, if you didn't
Speaker 1: enjoy this podcast, will refund all of the money that
Speaker 1: you spent to listen to this free will refund all
Speaker 1: the money Dean, that's right. Well, yeah, the point is
Speaker 1: it's a free podcast still listening to, so I'll gladly
Speaker 1: refund all of the money after right. Thank you to
Speaker 1: Adam and his sweet new app s Moore. Be sure
Speaker 1: to check it out in the app store. Uh Mark,
Speaker 1: as always, thank you so much for being our our
Speaker 1: omnipotent voice of reason. Jared, you crush it today. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm super super blessed to get to do this podcast
Speaker 1: with you every single week, even from Mexico over the heck,
Speaker 1: I am at times. Um, that's that's gonna do it.
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