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Speaker 1: This program features the individual opinions of the hosts, guests,

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Speaker 1: and callers, and not necessarily those of the producer, the station,

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Speaker 1: it's affiliates or sponsors. This is True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's February, it's Wednesday. It's Monday,

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Speaker 2: February twenty third, and we have a stack knight of headlines.

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Speaker 2: I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with Courtney Armstrong and Body move in.

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Speaker 2: This Intaha house is out for the evening, so we

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Speaker 2: have me jumping into the hot.

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Speaker 3: Seat with them. Yay yay.

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Speaker 2: And of course we have Sam and Adam in the

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Speaker 2: control room as well. Because we have so much going

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Speaker 2: on in the world right now, I'm not even sure

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Speaker 2: where we should begin. But again, this atrocious situation happening

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Speaker 2: in Mexico. Americans in Mexico are being told to shelter

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Speaker 2: in place. This is a very serious and evolving situation suation. Also,

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Speaker 2: the fallout from the Epstein Files continues, more arrests around

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Speaker 2: the world. It is shocking. I feel like we're not

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Speaker 2: seeing a ton of it in the press here real time,

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Speaker 2: which is a little bit confusing, but boy heads are

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Speaker 2: rolling elsewhere and it's starting to really really heat up. Also,

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Speaker 2: Nick Reiner accused of murdering his parents, you know, the

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Speaker 2: beloved director and his beautiful wife. It's been well over

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Speaker 2: a month and a half now and he appeared in

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Speaker 2: court and he's saying that he is officially not guilty.

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Speaker 2: Let the record show, and that is not not guilty

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Speaker 2: by insanity, just straight up not guilty. So there's so

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Speaker 2: much to unpack there as well. Also, Nancy Guthrie has

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Speaker 2: not been found yet, you know, remains missing.

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Speaker 3: Is said to have still have been abducted.

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Speaker 2: There has been some new information released today, but again

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Speaker 2: a troubling situation in our hearts are so with the

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Speaker 2: Guthrie family. I think we're all feeling the exhaustion and

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Speaker 2: the sadness and oh I can only imagine what it's

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Speaker 2: like to have that really be a loved one.

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Speaker 3: So, ladies, I'm so happy to be with you tonight.

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Speaker 4: I know, I love that you jumped to Wednesday. Are

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Speaker 4: you like itching for the weekend Wednesday? I love it, girl,

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Speaker 4: I have a way.

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Speaker 2: Can It's like I feel like I have amnesia all

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Speaker 2: day today. It's like I'm having short term memory snaps, Like.

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Speaker 3: Right before we came on air, I'm like, what's the date?

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Speaker 3: You're like fun, and then sixteen seconds later, it's Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: I was giggling with Gabe.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I walk into an office and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: what was I just doing? I get out of the

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Speaker 2: shower and I'm confused. I'm's going to like, it's in

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Speaker 2: the air. It's just a good old Monday.

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Speaker 3: Crazy. I think it's Is it in the air or

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Speaker 3: is it just age? What is this? It's aged?

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Speaker 4: I think it's weather. I think it's a February. I

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Speaker 4: mean our country is like blanketed.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, And.

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Speaker 2: Everybody who is in the snow right now, I hope

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Speaker 2: you're all warm and safe and cozy.

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Speaker 3: Boy.

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Speaker 2: The East, the Northeast specifically got pummeled.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, people are using generators. My best friend she's off

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Speaker 4: at like the very tip of Massachusetts and they've been

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Speaker 4: out of power for a long time. And thank god

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Speaker 4: for great generators.

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Speaker 2: Oh those generators are so expensive, but yes, thank god

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Speaker 2: for a great generators.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. For Strong Island, Long Island, you know, they

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Speaker 2: got pummeled as well. So hopefully everybody's making snowmen and cookies.

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Speaker 2: And in my mind's eye, it's beautiful, imperfect and cozy

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Speaker 2: and warmzy, right, you know, and we're all faking toddies together,

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: Love it, guys. Our first official sweatshirt was received. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: really yes, and get this, Gabe.

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Speaker 2: We should play it because listen to operations swag and

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Speaker 2: I promise, I know the world has a lot going

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Speaker 2: on right now, so we won't talk about sweat shirts incessantly,

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Speaker 2: I promise. However, the first person to receive their sweatshirt

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Speaker 2: said that in exchange for the sweatshirt that they made

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Speaker 3: No way you, sai. Wait are you.

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Speaker 2: Paying it forward and spreading even more joy? Spreading joy?

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Speaker 2: One person at do.

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Speaker 5: You know what?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking at it now.

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Speaker 4: A donation was made in your name to our local

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Speaker 4: child advocacy center And that was on the heels of

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Speaker 4: us talking about the CASA Rory appointed special Advocates for

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so awesome. How great is that?

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Speaker 2: Like the best audience in community, imaginable. It brought such

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Speaker 2: Cycle continues. Let's go through one hoodie at a time.

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Speaker 2: More coming, more coming, more coming. So yeah, there is

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Speaker 2: just a lot going on right now. Where should we start.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with Nick Reiner.

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Speaker 4: So, as you mentioned, Nick Reiner, he's thirty two years old,

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Speaker 4: and he's charged with fatally stabbing his parents, who we

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Speaker 4: all know and love, filmmaker Rob Reiner who shaped our

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Speaker 4: equally beloved wife, Michelle Singer Reiner. So they were stabbed

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Speaker 4: to death inside their Brentwood home. This was very close

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Speaker 3: So Nick Reiner he.

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Speaker 4: Pleaded not guilty and he also waved his right to

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Speaker 4: a speedy trial, and this was at his arraignment.

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Speaker 4: Reiner faces two counts of first degree murder with special

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Speaker 4: right now, the prosecutors are continuing to weigh whether to

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Speaker 2: Report, which I'm surprised by and again infamously these Corners reports.

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Speaker 2: there's so many factors. You know, I've been hearing a

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Speaker 2: trial to be being called the meth death, Like is

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Speaker 2: it possible that his drug use and it's you know,

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Speaker 2: just be a mess. Also, he looks very unwell in

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Speaker 4: I feel strongly that he is aware of being in court,

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Speaker 4: what the circumstances are, because we even spoke about this,

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Speaker 4: In a state where you actually cannot conceive of being

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Speaker 3: What happened last time.

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Speaker 2: I think the last time when he was still on

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Speaker 2: you know, and he may still be on suicide watch,

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Speaker 2: but he wasn't really fit to even be in the

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Speaker 2: any longer. But yeah, I mean there's no again, like

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Speaker 2: I don't know what we glean from this though, and

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Speaker 2: three one crime. Please do you know this is such

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Speaker 3: By drug abuse in addiction?

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Speaker 2: Right, it's nobody's really immune and mental illness as.

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Speaker 3: And that's very very important to get right out of

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Speaker 2: And even furthermore, the mental illness conversation has to be louder.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Nick Reiner, he's been diagnosed with schizophrenia

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Speaker 3: So that's you know, that is the background.

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Speaker 4: So today in court, for any one who didn't see

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Speaker 4: Nick Reiner, he appeared behind glass. He was an enclosed

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Speaker 3: And Stephanie I couldn't agree more. He did.

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Speaker 4: He looked aged from before. He looked like he lost

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Speaker 4: his public defender, excuse me, deputy public defender. It's a

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Speaker 2: Curious about, because yeah, it's a couple of a couple

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Speaker 2: infamously Alan Jackson, who was previously Karen Reid's attorney who

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Speaker 2: Alan Jackson is very, very expensive, and who's paying the

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Speaker 2: Because they're dead and have been murdered, so it would

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Speaker 3: And I know there's a term for this body.

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Speaker 2: You taught this to me, the term where you can't

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Speaker 2: help the defense funded by the estate of the people

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Speaker 2: who have been murdered potentially by you, especially, so yeah,

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Speaker 2: who pays Alan Jackson. That's one big thing. And then

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Speaker 2: also is he just mentally unwell enough? We know full

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Speaker 2: well that it's certainly in California, the threshold for an

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Speaker 2: insanity plea is really hard.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're just joining us, this is true crime tonight,

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Speaker 4: and we're talking about Nick Reiner. He's accused of killing

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Speaker 4: his parents, filmmaker Rob Reiner and his mother Michelle. His

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Speaker 4: next court appearance, it's going to be a preliminary hearing,

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Speaker 4: and that's scheduled not until the end of April, so.

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Speaker 3: We've got two months that's going to be televised.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, but at that time prosecutors will be

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Speaker 4: presenting evidence and the judge will determine if there's enough

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Speaker 3: There wouldn't be.

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Speaker 2: Didn't appear to be anybody with him in court today either,

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Speaker 2: So not that I recognized at least, So correct me

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like a smirk.

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe I murdered.

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Speaker 5: Maybe I'd like to ask Jarrett, you know, Jared about it,

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Speaker 5: maybe Wednesday. So in terms of you'd asked whether it

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Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, fascinating case. I mean, I got to tell you,

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Speaker 2: I found myself like looking at photographs of her. She's

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Speaker 3: And their family statement.

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Speaker 4: If you guys remember this was also a back a

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Speaker 3: That wasn't it.

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Speaker 4: But it's just colliding worlds of the most catastrophic level,

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Speaker 3: Get out for the first time too.

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Speaker 2: And Conan O'Brien's house was where they infamously had this

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Speaker 3: And then they left that fateful night.

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine? I cannot, poor Conan. I love Conan.

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Speaker 5: Well, stay tuned when we come back. We have a

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Speaker 3: Keep it right here for Frintonly.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

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Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong and body Move in.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 2: Taha has fled the coop. Boom is out and about

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Speaker 2: Gabe in fact has worked day and night. He can't

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Speaker 2: keeping us in line. What is happening in Mexico is

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Speaker 2: really just again unimaginable. So yeah, Americans being asked to

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Speaker 3: A little bit with the backstory, Yeah, this is a

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Speaker 4: So Namasio el Mencho Sagera Cervantes, he is a said well,

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Speaker 3: Could you just like everybody high fives high?

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Speaker 4: That was good, Thank you Gabe for walking me through it.

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Speaker 4: So he goes by Elmentcho. Let's just refer to him

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Speaker 3: Now we'll be known officially as So.

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Speaker 4: He is the notorious leader of the Jllisco New Generation cartel,

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Speaker 4: and he's also one of the world's most wanted drug lords. Well,

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Speaker 4: he was killed in a Mexican military operation just yesterday,

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Speaker 4: and his death has has blown up. There's waves of

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Speaker 4: people are being asked to shelter in place. And Elmentcho

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Speaker 4: transformed this cartel into a global drug empire, fentanyl, methamphetamine,

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Speaker 5: Right, yes, well, I mean what's the point though, I mean,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I feel like, you know, cut the head

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Speaker 5: Watched too much Narcos, and you know what I mean,

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Speaker 4: I mean, everything is upside down, it seems right now.

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Speaker 4: So stuff Again, it's twenty four hours in. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: Yes, you're going to lit on fire right now. It's

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Speaker 4: And what we're understanding is that despite Elemento's death, the cartel,

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Speaker 2: When we first started working on the case in Pie

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Speaker 4: And the background of Almentho, which I did not know

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Speaker 4: joined the Millennio Cartel.

437
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 3: Millenio Cartel, excuse me, isn't that the one that was

438
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 3: in Ohio? No? But that and that he later joined

439
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 3: the Cineloa Cartel caartel I am familiar with.

440
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 5: They're one of the most active cartels that I know of,

441
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 5: at least the ones that you do not want to

442
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 5: mess with.

443
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 4: That's right, And Elmentcho was chief of Hitman and he

444
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 4: oversaw violent enforcement operations.

445
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 3: That was his job in the Cineloa cartel. Wow, now

446
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 3: he's the guy.

447
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 4: The guy cut to twenty ten, fifteen years ago. He

448
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 4: co founded the Hallisco New Generation cartel, his cartel now,

449
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 4: and he did it with Abigail Gonzales Valencia, who was

450
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 4: at the time the leader of the Los Cunius cartel.

451
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 3: Now ready yeah.

452
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 4: Elmentcho then married a woman named Rosalinda Gonzalez Valencia, who

453
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 4: was Abigail's sister.

454
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 3: Okay, so that was pause podcasts.

455
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 2: Two guys, both drug dealers and named marry sisters.

456
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 4: No Elmentcho joined up with a woman who was part

457
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 4: of a different cartel to work together, and he then

458
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 4: married her.

459
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: Sister rivaling cartels. This is a match made in hell.

460
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 4: Well, it ended up that he really had married in

461
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 4: because of the cloud and the name and the history

462
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 4: that they have us.

463
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 3: Why I know Elmento everything we know about him so far,

464
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 3: you would think otherwise it seems perfect. What do you mean?

465
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 3: He's also.

466
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so again he security analyst and political scientists,

467
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 4: including this guy, uh David Sacido. He had said that

468
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 4: Almenho reached the cartel's leadership through the strategy of diplomacy

469
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 4: via the marriage, because he really was lacking the lineage

470
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 4: that his wife Rosalinda possessed.

471
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 3: So it's kind of like the Epstein and Glenne Maxwell.

472
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 2: Maxwell does he not love Rosalinda? Does Rosalinda feel as

473
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 2: though she's been used?

474
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 5: Well, Los Cunis did all the money laundering, and so

475
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 5: that the money laundering is such a huge part of

476
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 5: the drug business because if you can't launder the money,

477
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 5: what's the point, right?

478
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: Can you explain, like in like jummy terms, what money

479
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: laundering is.

480
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 5: It's basically not not physically washing your money, but it's

481
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 5: making your your dirty money that you've collected from the

482
00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 5: streets and and whatnot, and you create basically business is

483
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 5: because you can't all of a sudden buy a mansion, right,

484
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 5: because that's suspicious. You have to have a reason to

485
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 5: buy a mansion, right. You have to have the career

486
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 5: to buy the mansion. So basically you set up all

487
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 5: these fake kind of businesses that are your career that

488
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 5: give you the money to be able to buy the

489
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 5: Porsches and have the zoo and have you know, there's

490
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 5: so it's basically trying to make your background look legit.

491
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: Okay, So it's much.

492
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 5: More than just you know, laundering the money. It's your

493
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 5: whole persona. It's it's so important in in drug the

494
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 5: drug business.

495
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 2: And when they say dirty money, it's not the physically

496
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: dirty obviously because it's raging hands. It's dirty money because

497
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 2: it's gotten, it's been received from a crooked manner.

498
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 3: Right, it was made through.

499
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 5: A hustle, right and legal illegal ways right right, So

500
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 5: Ozark like Ozark's right. So this those union exactly, This

501
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 5: union between you know, uh, the Lowes Fueness I can't

502
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 5: remember the name now cartel and Elmncho was super important.

503
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 5: So for him to solidify that by marrying the sister

504
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 5: is like brilliant to me.

505
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 3: Wow, I mean its scripted. So they are married.

506
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 4: And then in twenty fifteen, so ten years ago, El

507
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 4: Mencho's cartel is really running strong, and in fact they

508
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 4: responded to a Mexican government operation by blocking roads and

509
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 4: shooting down a military helicopter and killing three soldiers.

510
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 3: So that yeah.

511
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 4: The next year, ten years ago, twenty sixteen, the cartel

512
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 4: kidnapped the son of El Chapo, I remember this, and

513
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 4: they held him for a week before releasing him, just

514
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 4: to demonstrate the cartel's operational release.

515
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 3: But they did release.

516
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 2: Sign I don't think. Yeah, and they didn't give ransom

517
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: money either. Right, how did that release happen? I kind

518
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 2: of forget.

519
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 5: It's been buried in my mind. I cannot remember. But

520
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 5: it was a show of strength, like, because the Cineloa

521
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 5: cartel is something you do not I mean, like even

522
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 5: Americans know this.

523
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 3: The word that's the one that we were stay in

524
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 3: Pie County.

525
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, so the go up against them is a show

526
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 5: of strength, right, It's showing hey, we're here. We're not

527
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 5: like you know that your step child. We're not you know,

528
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 5: an offshoot of you. We're our own entity. It's a

529
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 5: sign of strength.

530
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly right. Wow, So you know it's a

531
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 3: big deal.

532
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 4: And then I did almost about four years ago, Elmentha

533
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 4: was charged in the US with conspiracy to manufacture and

534
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 4: distribute methamphetamine, cocaine, fentanyl. Again, this is going across more

535
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 4: than forty countries all over the world, Australia and China

536
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,959
Speaker 4: and Southeast Asia and right here in America.

537
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 3: Goodddance to him, good reddens.

538
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 4: And actually just one year ago the cartel was designated

539
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 4: a terrorist organization.

540
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 3: This specific cartel. I bet right. So wait, where is

541
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 3: the wife? So where is where is she? Yeah? I

542
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 3: don't know. And her the sister, the rosalind ros is she? Yeah,

543
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 3: she's a morning widow. Now wow.

544
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 4: And probably that's a quite hidden or on the run

545
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 4: or I don't know actually, so we'll need to look

546
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 4: into this. This will be an evolving story, I'm sure.

547
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 5: Like what do you do though, Like, there's no I mean,

548
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 5: you cut the head off the snake, it grows another head, right,

549
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 5: Like how it necessarily though?

550
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 3: Is that?

551
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess when you're talking about the cartel

552
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: and the drug trade in general, I cannot think of

553
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: a single example where that is inaccurate.

554
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 3: But I hate that that's accurate.

555
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I mean it takes so much work to

556
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: be able to remove the main person.

557
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 3: Again, there's so much news to keep up with. Literally

558
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 3: it's almost too much.

559
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: I feel like it's like we're so we all are

560
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: getting crazy desensitized. It's impossible not to to some degree,

561
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: does to survive your day or life.

562
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 3: Everyone's busy and has.

563
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: Their own world, you know, they're just got snowed in,

564
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: the kids are home from school, everyone's got the real

565
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: world's hitten, but here we are.

566
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 5: What's the fix of the cartel though? Like really, I

567
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 5: mean like brass tacks. Yeah, I don't think necessarily killing

568
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 5: the leader of a cartel is the fix, right, because gay.

569
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 2: Power, you're just you know, reallocating who's in charge.

570
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 3: But now maybe there'll be a power struggle and that

571
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 3: will fracture it. Maybe that's what they're hoping. Maybe.

572
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,719
Speaker 4: I mean, it's obviously such a systemic problem and just

573
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 4: needs to be dealt with so grossly, which, of course

574
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 4: Mexico's president has said.

575
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 3: She will do. Oh good, oh good, So listen all

576
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 3: things Epstein.

577
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: Interestingly that we were just talking about, you know, the

578
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 2: disruption happening, and that's such an understatement in Mexico and

579
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: Porto Rarta. Yeah, and sure enough, there has in fact

580
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 2: been a prison break. So yeah, body, what is this

581
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: is like breaking news right now?

582
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 5: Well, there's just the twenty three inmates escaped from a

583
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 5: prison in Porto Varta. As the you know, the country

584
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 5: is dealing with this, you know, massive cartel of violence uprising,

585
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 5: and you know, all these roads being blocked or whatnot.

586
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 5: Now they have the added problem of twenty three inmates.

587
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 5: I don't know what prison it is though, I just

588
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 5: know it's in Porta. I just I know, I said

589
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 5: near Cabo. I just wanted to make sure that the

590
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 5: information right.

591
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 3: So I looked it up real quid.

592
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like again, if anyone has any tips, like what

593
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: to be doing if you're in a situation, if you're

594
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: outside of the country, I know, knowing where your embassy is,

595
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: making sure that you have your passport and identification with

596
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 2: you at all times, and all the things. But in

597
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: this case, you just have to sort of ride it out,

598
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: I would assume, right.

599
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 5: And I kind of wonder if it's related, right, Like,

600
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 5: are are so many people focused on the out the

601
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 5: violence outbreak right that you know the security measures at

602
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 5: the prison were kind of like.

603
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 3: Left you know, yeah, definitely in some way. Yeah, and

604
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 3: think about it.

605
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 2: You know, gangs in general or cartels, those would be

606
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: considered enterprises, right, So when we talked a lot in

607
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:07,479
Speaker 2: the Diddy trial, for example, about racketeering criminal enterprises.

608
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 3: Really those words were derived.

609
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: From what the mob from gangs, right, things that have Hey,

610
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: I'm committing a part of a crime, You're going to

611
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: be the finisher of said crime. We're all kind of

612
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 2: working as a group, as an air quotes family, as

613
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: a community to move things forward and we're all going

614
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: to win in the end. Cashi Ish Typically though, in

615
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: a cartel or in a gang, you may have to

616
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: commit a crime to become a member, right. So you know,

617
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: I remember working at talk shows back in the olden days,

618
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: and like sometimes a guest would have a tear drop

619
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: tattooed to their eyes and that meant that they had

620
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 2: killed somebody in prison. You know, there were all of

621
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: these like initiation, not so much rituals, but like crimes

622
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: that you had to do so that I'm not going

623
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 2: to squeal on you because I've committed the same crime.

624
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 3: Right is that fairly accurate?

625
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: And again, if you're a crime in a gang and

626
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: have a new intel to share, please do join us.

627
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: This is very similar to epstein, just a different thing,

628
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: it is.

629
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 3: It is.

630
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, just a real quick Gabe, Thank you very Gabes,

631
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 4: Thank you very much. Gabe standing in for Taha House.

632
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 4: So a little update on the specifics of the prison.

633
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 4: It was a Portavata Regional prison and this escape absolutely

634
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 4: occurred during this unrest in the state and the convict's

635
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 4: accomplices actually opened fire on the correctional facility and then

636
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 4: roamed through the gates in a car entered the territory

637
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 4: and as a result of this shootout, one security officer was.

638
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 7: Oh ah, so they had to think about it rising, Yeah, interesting,

639
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 7: Well they took advantage of the situation, right like, this

640
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 7: is a great time while everybody's looking over here.

641
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, here's the thing.

642
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: There is some crossover because again we're talking about big things.

643
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: I think we're on like a two week delay on

644
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: all things Epstein because we're all just getting through it right,

645
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: like it's hitting parts.

646
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 3: Of the world slowly. Things are becoming actionable.

647
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: I don't know about you guys, but everything I'm reading

648
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: and again I'm specifically going down the Epstein rabbit hole.

649
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 3: All I see is chatter.

650
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 2: All day about it, and you know, some of it's

651
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: just too much to handle. Honestly, we're gonna do like

652
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 2: a full dissertation when we have things really for sure,

653
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: for short, if you will, because I don't want to

654
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: speak out of turn, period. I don't want to accuse

655
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: anybody of something that doesn't seem possible. But I will say,

656
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: much like an enterprise, much like a gang, it does

657
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 2: seem as though everybody has been in on the same Yeah,

658
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: everybody's in on it.

659
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 4: Well, I can tell you one thing for sure, what

660
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 4: Peter Mendelssohn is not well former UK Ambassador Peter Mendelssohn himself,

661
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 4: he was arrested and this was over the allegationtions that

662
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 4: he shared sensitive government information with Sex Schraftcker.

663
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 5: Jeffrey Epstein stop stop right there, ye heared. We have

664
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 5: to really unpack just that part of it. He shared

665
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 5: sensitive government information?

666
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 3: Right.

667
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 5: Well, now, we have often speculated, right, speculate, speculational or

668
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 5: I need a sound I need to be on a sound.

669
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 3: Board, speculations out of a spray.

670
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 5: We often speculated that Epstein was working as like a

671
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 5: foreign spy or a double agent of sorts, working for

672
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 5: governments to you know, put compromant on people in positions

673
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 5: of power. Right, We've often speculated that doesn't this just

674
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 5: add one more data point in in.

675
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 3: I can't say this, but.

676
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 2: There is very little not leading down the path of

677
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: he was for certain intelligence and he was probably operating

678
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: on all cylinders for many not just for whether it's

679
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: the masade.

680
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 3: You know, it's probably.

681
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: You know, like I get in line, is what it

682
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: seems like because he has infiltrated every single possible place

683
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: known to man, and it's really upsetting.

684
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 3: And we can go through some.

685
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: Of the real specifics before getting too soteric. But what's

686
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 2: really upsetting is I think a lot of us, myself specifically,

687
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: is sort of looking back to my entire life and

688
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: every part of it was somehow influenced by the people

689
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: that are now at the core of this case. I'm

690
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 2: a former New Yorker, you know, family moved to Florida eventually,

691
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: Like I loved New York City, like where Epstein has

692
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: his apartment where he used to was like as fancy

693
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: as it gets, you know, and Trump Tower was so spectacular,

694
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: Like I'm a New Yorker in those days, you know,

695
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: so I have such a reverence for that.

696
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 3: And it seems like no matter who you voted for.

697
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 2: And Epstein showed up in New York, it seems like

698
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: they've all been sort of playing there's only there's been

699
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 2: a whole other party apparently well absolutely invited.

700
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 4: And I mean it goes across you know, politics, royalty, businesses, academia, entertainment,

701
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 4: it's really every cornerstone of life and power drive society.

702
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 2: Oh in science, science said this. I said this almost

703
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 2: as a joke. By the way, it's not even that

704
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: much of a joke. I'm embarrassed to say this out loud.

705
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 2: Mark my words. If we start hearing about a big

706
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: interterrestrial moment that's going to hit us in the next

707
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 2: couple of days, because remember Hillary Clinton is supposed to

708
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 2: go before Congress.

709
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 3: On Thursday talking like a meteor or something.

710
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: I whatever, there, I've heard enough grumblings. I said it

711
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 2: as a joke, like, oh, could you imagine now they're

712
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: going to say we're going to have an alien invasion?

713
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 3: And that would be the best Trump is releasing talking

714
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: about files much. I can't make it up.

715
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: I was literally just joking and it was now that

716
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: to me would be like, oh wow, we really are

717
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: being programmed. And actually as a as a country.

718
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 3: We're being groomed right now. We're smarter than that.

719
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 2: By the way, good luck getting getting a community who

720
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 2: does true crime and our justice seekers to.

721
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 3: Be groomed, not us. We are not going to go

722
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 3: down on this platte.

723
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: To toss us your files. We already knew that, and

724
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: we're going to gather our thoughts. We're going to collect ourselves.

725
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: We're going to keep our vibrations high, and we're going

726
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: to usher in greatness. I don't know what that looks

727
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: like exactly in any way, shape or form, but like

728
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 2: there's greatness ahead and I'm so encouraged even just again,

729
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 2: I know we say this every night about people are

730
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 2: so caring about Nancy Guthrie, and we all know that

731
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: nobody is down with pedophiles period, Like, no one's into it.

732
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: And if you are also a great touch point, this

733
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: is a good little reset recalibration time.

734
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, we.

735
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: Got to rethink, like that is not the club. You're

736
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 2: not allowed, Like, we don't do that. It seems like

737
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 2: there's been a ring happening where people that are not

738
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: like getting loud right now is probably because they know

739
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 2: somebody in the ring. Does that make sense?

740
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 3: Yeah?

741
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean, and it's proving out in all of

742
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 4: these files. If you are just joining us, this is

743
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 4: a true crime tonight. And we're talking grossly about the

744
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Ebstein files, and specifically about Peter Mendelssohn.

745
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 3: He's the former UK.

746
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 4: Ambassador and he was just arrested for allegedly sharing sensitive

747
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 4: government information with Epstein and PS. He had previously resigned

748
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 4: from the House of Lords and some other positions.

749
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 3: And remember that was flagged to us very early on.

750
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 2: When Lisa Bryant, the director of Filthy Rich, came she

751
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 2: flagged to us Alex Acosta, who gave that little weird

752
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 2: sweetheart deal to Epstein in two thousand and eight, and

753
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 2: then Peter mendelssoon getting this is staggering the idea that

754
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 2: they are. This is treason right, We're talking about sharing

755
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: States secrets.

756
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 3: Here right now.

757
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: So if the chatter has always been, or at least

758
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 2: as a chatter as I have always heard, I should

759
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: say it's not my feelings on this.

760
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 3: This is not my personal gut.

761
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: That does track though, and enough people have shared it

762
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: that if this guy's a double agent and he's honey

763
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: potting people remember the DOJ said there's nothing to see,

764
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,479
Speaker 2: there was nothing to see. We know that's a total lie.

765
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 2: There's so much to see it's possible to get through.

766
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 2: And it's a full time job. So here's so much

767
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: to see that it's staggered to who did like these

768
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: state secrets from the UK?

769
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 3: Exactly?

770
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: Who?

771
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 3: So where is that layer?

772
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 2: So he's the middle man. Epsteem is an ordinary middle man.

773
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 2: He is like the equalizer. This guy is just the

774
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: master manipulator who intrenched himself in every opportunity he was

775
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 2: given an in she took ten yards and he compromised

776
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 2: everybody he could get his hands on. And the victims

777
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 2: are endless and the survivors thank god. But follow the money.

778
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: There is a layer and then another layer, probably right

779
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 2: above him. He's working for many. Who are those many?

780
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: Because those many are not really the top dogs right now.

781
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 2: So that's the less Wexner factor. Like that guy, you know,

782
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 2: the owner of Victoria's secrets, He's he's being called to

783
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: the carpet real time for some of his testimony that

784
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: he gave this past week in front of Congress is

785
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: already proving out to not.

786
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 3: Be entirely accurate. Who was he the ambassador to? Who

787
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,959
Speaker 3: he was the UK ambassador to? Who to the uslie

788
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 3: to the US? Stop it for Donald Trump? Yes?

789
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: No, no, no, yes, sir. Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. Yeah,

790
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: it's continued. And by the way, he's been one of

791
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: the many people who's failed upward. Remember this all, even

792
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: Peter Mendelssohn. This goes to the Clinton's. Clinton's are supposed

793
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 2: to testify this week. They wanted to testify live. Apparently

794
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: everyone has said no, no, no, I know you want to,

795
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 2: but we can't do that. Why why can't we testify?

796
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 3: Life? Line them up?

797
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: I think everyone's playing chicken and they're all trying to

798
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 2: call each other's bluff. And whether you're a Clinton or

799
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 2: you're again, don't know why I'm giving you my opinions

800
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: right now.

801
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 3: This doesn't matter.

802
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: My opinions do not count, other than to say, I'm

803
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: just disappointed that every single one of them has been complacent.

804
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 3: And isn't that a crime.

805
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 4: Well, they're complacent because they committed crimes, or we're aware

806
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 4: of crimes, or we're benefiting from crimes that were happening.

807
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 3: Why would Trump? Why would he bring it up? Why

808
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 3: would he campaign on it?

809
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: Was he that confident that the club that he was

810
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: in would have his back, so that when he was

811
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 2: going up against Hillary Clinton, this backstory really didn't mean.

812
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 2: This goes back a long time, This goes back decades.

813
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people playing and he's got

814
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 2: in their way. I think they've always gotten their way.

815
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: They're used to it. They think we're all stupid and

816
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: we are.

817
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 3: No, we're not. We might be.

818
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 2: No, of course we're the smartest, not physic. I don't

819
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: mean that about us. Actually, however, we have been listening

820
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 2: and we have They've been right.

821
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 3: Like we have followed perfectly along. It's so sad.

822
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: I like cried in the car one day this past

823
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: week because I was just like, I'm really just overwhelmed

824
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 2: with sadness that enough bad eggs found each other and

825
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 2: have been in control of so much. We're the ones

826
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 2: that are paying for it, you know, We're the ones.

827
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: It's our bodies, it's our paychecks. Lots of decisions are

828
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 2: being made, lots of wars are brewing that our sons

829
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 2: and our husbands and loved ones will be and wives

830
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: will be serving us.

831
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 3: Right, that's so true. You're absolutely right.

832
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: Because of Epstein and some sweetheart background deal that he's

833
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: making with some like shipping container company in Saudi Arabia

834
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 2: for billions of dollars. You know, there's like all apparently

835
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 2: these shipping containers, there's this is a little easter egg

836
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: of apparently he before getting his ho rated, had removed

837
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 2: many things of which we don't know what that is.

838
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 2: And they've been put into storage containers throughout the world.

839
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: Like this guy has been at it for a really

840
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 2: long time.

841
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, for several decades, I know. And that's my It's like, yeah,

842
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, your outrage and surprise.

843
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 3: I am so unsurprised. I know.

844
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 4: I say it's like a record, but power corrupts, and

845
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 4: absolute power corrupts.

846
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I just believe.

847
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 4: I believe that as a tenant because I think it

848
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 4: has proved out over history, go back to the Middle Ages,

849
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 4: go back to the you know, the serfs. I mean,

850
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 4: it has proved out where he can show up where

851
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 4: the guys president.

852
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 3: And might and then Taylor Swift can be the vice president.

853
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 3: That would be great.

854
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 4: Mark Cuban is he's getting a handle on prescription costs.

855
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 3: So I'll busy with that. We'll take it. So the

856
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 3: list is long. This obviously we'll keep going.

857
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 2: Manon this clown. Don't even get me started on Howard Lutnick.

858
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 2: Howard Lutnick. I'm going to do a whole night on

859
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: Howard Lutnick. Just wait and see. And yeah, apparently you know,

860
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 2: Gilaine Maxwell wants ninety thousand documents with held because it

861
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: has some important transcripts from some of her depositions in

862
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 2: her trial, and.

863
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 3: She doesn't want us seeing it. Well, too bad, so sagline,

864
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 3: we're going to see it. Stay right here.

865
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 5: We have an update on the Nancy Guthrie case, and

866
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 5: we're probably going to listen to some dms and talkbacks

867
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 5: or some swag, so keep it right here.

868
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 3: True Grin tonight.

869
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

870
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

871
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong and body move in, so listen. Taha has

872
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Speaker 2: dumped us for the evening and we have gave Costios

873
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 2: sitting in for us, and yeah, Gabe og Gabe is

874
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 2: with us, so yes, the Epstein stuff. Of course, we

875
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 2: will continue to follow this closely every day.

876
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 3: There's another set of circumstances.

877
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 2: Adam is also creating a master grid of some of

878
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 2: the most scary and heinous things we've ever heard of, really,

879
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: so here we go.

880
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 3: More on that to come, but first let's go to

881
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 3: a talk back.

882
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 8: Hey, through granted nineteen, this is Ashley from Maine as

883
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 8: the full Savannah Gusthrie Nancy Guthrie abduction thing and going on.

884
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 8: I've been following it really closely. One of the things

885
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 8: that keeps coming up is that she had just Savannah

886
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 8: had just recently interviewed a bunch of Stine survivors and

887
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 8: has questioned a lot of the releases of the Epstein files.

888
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 8: Has been you know, asking for that and supporting survivors

889
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 8: and things like that. And someone just posted online that

890
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 8: her name can be found multiple times in the newest

891
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 8: release of file, them actually talking about how they do

892
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 8: not like her reporting and don't like her. So you

893
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 8: think there could be any connection there? Thank you so much.

894
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 8: I want to hear what you guys have to say

895
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 8: about that.

896
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 5: Love you guys, Oh.

897
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 3: We love you. What a great thoughtful talk back.

898
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 2: She's right, by the way, Yes, well, you know it

899
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: was you know, I think we talked about it here

900
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: briefly that Savannah did very early on interviewed in twenty

901
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: Virgina nineteen.

902
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 3: That's right.

903
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 2: So, I mean that was a long time ago. It

904
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: was a long time ago. They were very ahead of it.

905
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 5: It got buried too, but she is in the files

906
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 5: because there were emails back and forth. I don't remember

907
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 5: who Jeffrey was emailing at the moment, but they were

908
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 5: specifically talking about that they didn't like her reporting on

909
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 5: the victims.

910
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 3: Of course no, they got she got shut down.

911
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: Don't forget. What's the other one, Amy Roeboch from NBC.

912
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 2: Remember she was fired from the Today Show. She was

913
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 2: the Third Hour a host with TJ, who became her boyfriend.

914
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 2: And then they were like, oh, that's right together, TJ

915
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: and oh they're adorable.

916
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 3: I actually really like them. They have a podcast.

917
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 2: And she was saying as well, Amy Robach, who also

918
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: was a journalist and is a journalist, and that she

919
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: also and Savannah had been talking with many survivors of

920
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: Epstein and again many many years ago. Think about how

921
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: many survivors could have been spared, right, And they were

922
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 2: set to air this on the Today Show. And there's

923
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 2: this infamous, like lost audio of Amy Roboch, the former

924
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 2: journalist at the Today Show. Her mic was on but

925
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 2: she didn't realize it, and it was during one of

926
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 2: the commercial breaks, and she was basically saying like, yeah,

927
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: we had every survivor and the story got killed. Basically

928
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 2: they didn't air it. And again twenty nineteen, so just

929
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 2: think about that, and this is the context. It's not

930
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 2: for the fingerpoint it's just think about the amount of

931
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 2: victims that happened since then, so you know when things

932
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 2: were silenced like that.

933
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 5: Wait a minute, since since twenty nineteen. Didn't Jeffrey die

934
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 5: in twenty nineteen?

935
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 2: Yes, think about that? Yeah, nineteen, that is that's exactly right. Yes, yes,

936
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 2: as a matter of fact, yes. By the way, also

937
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 2: on that front though, we were just talking about this

938
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: during the break as well, also up for big communication

939
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 2: about was he murdered?

940
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 3: Was it a suicide?

941
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 2: It seems pretty clear even just based on what we're

942
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 2: gathering in these files, it doesn't really totally seem like

943
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: he was going to commit suicide.

944
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 5: No, that seems like even Joseph Joseph, you know, Joseph

945
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 5: Scott Morgan, our forensic you know Palell, our death investigator, Powell,

946
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 5: he's convinced Epstein didn't call himself.

947
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 3: Well and he stands in a very real company.

948
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 4: And there was an entire sixty minutes and there has

949
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 4: been multiple Basically, anyone with the forensics background does not

950
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 4: believe that the autopsy shows it was well.

951
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: They show that it seems that he's hanging, and we

952
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 2: covered it here as well. We have these autopsy photos.

953
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 2: But now there's a speculation, and again it's chatter on

954
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 2: top of chatter that the autopsy photos that even we've

955
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 2: seen are fake, and that he's, you know, someplace fabulous gallivanting,

956
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 2: and that Gilestel has a stand.

957
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 3: In body double. Who knows. I don't know.

958
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 9: It's just too much to wave, you know, to get

959
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 9: through as far as the talk back goes. Is it

960
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 9: possible that this is some kind of retaliation, you know,

961
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 9: the abduction of Nancy Guthrie. Is this some sort of

962
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 9: retaliation from some Epstein holdovers I don't know, or a

963
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 9: government that took you know, poor Nancy because they're upset

964
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 9: with Savannah's reporting. I don't necessarily think so. I mean,

965
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 9: Savannah's reporting was what seven years ago?

966
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 3: Seven years ago?

967
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 5: But you know, I do kind of feel sometimes like

968
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 5: I'm not a very I'm not very into conspiracies, but

969
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 5: Stephanie has won me over on a couple of them.

970
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 2: I and and I conspiracy theorists too. Suddenly I became

971
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: a conspiracy theorist in the time that we've.

972
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 3: Been making the show. Prior to now, I was not

973
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 3: such a conspiracy theorist.

974
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 2: But do you think that could be a distraction? I

975
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 2: think it could be a distraction. Yeah, think about it.

976
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: Why would you not? So you're going to have TMZ

977
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 2: at the heart of it, which kind of tracks because

978
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 2: it's again non political, Savannah Guthrie, if you were not, Again,

979
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: this is chad. I'm not making any real assertions here, right, So,

980
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: but just go there on this theory of the talkback.

981
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 2: Is it possible that America's sweetheart Savannah Guthrie, who, by

982
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: the way, also happened to report on this stuff many

983
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 2: many years ago.

984
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 3: So two birds, one stone.

985
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 2: What if we take her mother and America gets distracted

986
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 2: with segment one? It's so weird. Even as I sayed

987
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: to me.

988
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and I were, I mean, I know you

989
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 4: noted that it's chatter, but I also.

990
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like there's enough conspiracies that are real

991
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 5: that we don't need to invent things.

992
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 4: There are are conspiracies that doesn't need you know, such

993
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 4: their stuff that we know to be factual.

994
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

995
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 5: So today is you know, today, Mark's the twenty second

996
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 5: day in the search for Nancy Guthrie.

997
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 3: Twenty two days. I cannot believe it.

998
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 5: I know again, she's the mother of today's show anchor

999
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 5: Savannah Guthrie. She went missing from her Tucson, Arizona home

1000
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 5: the early hours of February first. She was last seen

1001
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 5: leaving her older daughter's home on the evening of January

1002
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 5: thirty first. And you know, she's described as vulnerable with

1003
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 5: limited mobility. She requires daily medication, but she's mentally sharp.

1004
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 5: Evidence at her home, including blood confirmed to be hers,

1005
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 5: suggest a violent abduction. Well do you remember when the

1006
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 5: FBI Real we released those that really scary nest camera

1007
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 5: footage and those.

1008
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 3: Photos, yes, of course.

1009
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 5: Well today we learned something pretty interesting and something that

1010
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 5: we actually discussed and came up with on the show.

1011
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 5: Like I think last week or the week before, there's

1012
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 5: an image of a man of a man in a

1013
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 5: balla kava, you know, standing kind of in the right

1014
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 5: under the arch right and it looks like he's not

1015
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 5: wearing a backpack and all that.

1016
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 3: Guess what that was on a different day, casing these

1017
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 3: case in the house.

1018
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 5: So yeah, the images that we've seen and whatnot are

1019
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 5: not all necessarily from the same night. And if you remember,

1020
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 5: we talked about this because when Cash Ptel tweeted these himself,

1021
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 5: he said the same timeline, and I thought that was

1022
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 5: an interesting choice of words.

1023
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 2: Can we go back to that because we did talk

1024
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 2: about this when that footage was first released, and for

1025
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 2: a hot second I thought maybe it was a second person.

1026
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 2: I'm still not convinced it's not a second person that there.

1027
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 2: There's no way one person card.

1028
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 5: I think there's more than one person involved. I think

1029
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 5: there's only one.

1030
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 3: Proud in that house.

1031
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, so, but then we were confused because

1032
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 2: of the backpack, right, so in one second they're wearing

1033
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 2: he's wearing it and the other he's not. He's different

1034
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: direct timeline or is it different nights?

1035
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 5: Different nights? Yeah, it was sent to Brian Brian Atton.

1036
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 5: Of course, you know the remarkable report treasure. So that

1037
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 5: confirmed it was a different night. Isn't that crazy?

1038
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 2: So if it's a different night, can you have you

1039
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 2: guys seen and forgive me if you guys cue the

1040
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 2: I roll. I see this a lot of my feed,

1041
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 2: and I'm embarrassed to keep saying this, but I don't

1042
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 2: know what's real anymore, and I'm algorithm central right now.

1043
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 3: So but on my.

1044
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 2: Feed, it keeps saying, oh, look at the Google searches,

1045
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 2: whether it's in the Soviet Union or the Google searches

1046
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 2: in Israel, be Nancy Guthrie, they were looking for it

1047
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 2: right before me.

1048
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 3: Those can be creepy, It could be faked.

1049
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 2: I feel like they see that they say this about

1050
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 2: every single person, that.

1051
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 5: Every single case that comes up, like with with the

1052
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 5: Idaho four.

1053
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 3: There were were talking about this.

1054
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, but listen, it's hard to know what's real and

1055
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 5: what's not right because it, I mean, there could be

1056
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 5: there could be valid searches.

1057
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:23,720
Speaker 3: Uh in the Google.

1058
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 5: You can look at the Google trends and you can

1059
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 5: see what searches were done in the dates and whatnot

1060
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 5: around them and see who was searching what and when.

1061
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 3: I mean, it's very very valuable advertising data, you know. Yeah.

1062
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 2: And the only like downside would be if this was

1063
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 2: and not that we need to make any scary things,

1064
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 2: but if you were to make up the scariest story

1065
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 2: as a distraction, if you were to be that messed

1066
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 2: up that you were to make up a tale boy

1067
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:54,879
Speaker 2: an elder abduction to America's hearts out in a man

1068
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 2: in Savannah and a man in a mask where yeah,

1069
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 2: with like wearing that weird backpack with the gun around

1070
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: his neck. It's every humans, I mean, even the blood

1071
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 2: like it almost looks like it's a game on a

1072
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 2: reality show. I know we've said that. I don't mean

1073
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 2: that in a glib way. I'm just saying like that

1074
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 2: is sort of how it's starting to land twenty plus

1075
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 2: days later, and what can we take from this, Like, how.

1076
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 3: Do we help? I don't know.

1077
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 5: Well, the authorities are still asking the public for help

1078
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 5: and identifying the man that is seen on those images,

1079
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 5: and you know, as of the latest reports are whereabouts

1080
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 5: and condition remain unknown. Law enforcement continues to actively pursue

1081
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 5: leads and solicit information from the public. You know, there

1082
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 5: over the weekend, there was that backpack that was found

1083
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 5: and everyone was like really excited about this, you know,

1084
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 5: possibly being the abductor's backpack. Law enforcement we learned today

1085
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 5: that that backpack is not related and it does not

1086
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 5: belong to the abductor.

1087
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 2: Sonya and I also spoke to a contact at A

1088
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 2: and eusemember We had talked about this os well, that

1089
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 2: people were giving a lot of feedback that the sheriff

1090
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 2: was also compromised because he's on a reality show, and

1091
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 2: that the Puma County Police Department was doing a reality

1092
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 2: show for A and E and that was somehow discrediting

1093
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 2: his decision to make the DNA go to a third

1094
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 2: party as opposed to doing it through the FBI. And

1095
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 2: it was all part of a show again chatter, but

1096
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 2: that is also not accurate. The he's not even on

1097
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 2: the show.

1098
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 3: The show. It's just the Department R. It's just like LS. Right,

1099
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 3: it's like a live PD. Right, it was a long

1100
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 3: time ago.

1101
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 2: It wasn't It wasn't like shooting during right now, No,

1102
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 2: not at all. It's completely unrelated, I guess, completely unrelated.

1103
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 3: Right, So that unrelated?

1104
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 5: I know, well, I mean it happens, you know, I

1105
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 5: mean Vegas pds on shows all the time.

1106
00:57:56,040 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 3: Doesn't mean in Las Vegas is related to that.

1107
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 5: I mean people but people like to draw conclusions where

1108
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 5: there aren't any and true that's a big problem with

1109
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 5: people who are true crime influencers and one not today.

1110
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 5: They draws that do not make any sense, and then

1111
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 5: it gives people a lot to talk about and it

1112
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 5: generates clicks and views.

1113
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just fat and a lot of confusion

1114
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 2: when it comes to the concisions.

1115
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 3: Also, so a lot of backlog happening.

1116
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 5: Right, So, a Mexican nonprofit group has joined the search.

1117
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys have seen these ladies.

1118
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 5: They're remarkable. They call themselves madres Buscuaderos de Sonora. They're adorable,

1119
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 5: a great So they are known for searching for racing people.

1120
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 5: And you know, they're really familiar with the terrain. They're

1121
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 5: familiarly and I've seen them. They carry these big sticks

1122
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 5: and they jam them into the ground and they're looking

1123
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 5: for density. Because you know, there's cliche. And I don't

1124
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 5: know if you know how familiar you guys are with

1125
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 5: the desert. But the desert soil is so hard. It's

1126
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 5: so it's very hard. You need almost like mechanical tools

1127
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 5: to dig a hole. Right, So Nancy being buried in

1128
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 5: the desert, I know that's kind of like a horrible

1129
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 5: thought or whatever.

1130
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 3: It's just not likely, right.

1131
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 2: Because you have some would not be Like you couldn't

1132
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 2: put a shovel in it.

1133
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 3: It's so difficult.

1134
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 5: I built a pond in my backyard one time and

1135
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 5: we had to get like it was beautiful, I mean

1136
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 5: it was beautiful, and we bought shovels, not realizing, oh

1137
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 5: my god, no, we need to get pickaxes, and like

1138
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 5: it was digging a hole in the desert is not

1139
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 5: easy to do, so they've been asked to help. Law

1140
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 5: enforcement has asked volunteer groups to coordinate with investigators and

1141
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 5: avoid interfering with ongoing investigations. Sheriff and Enos has stressed

1142
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 5: that leads are expanding, not shrinking, and investigators are methodically

1143
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 5: working to identify suspect articles of clothing and other potential evidence.

1144
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 5: You remember they have that backpack that's only sold at Walmart.

1145
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 5: They're going through all the purchase records trying to find something.

1146
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 5: Remember last week they went to that gun store and

1147
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 5: they had a list of memes. Yes, those memes come from.

1148
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 5: Where do those names come from?

1149
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 4: Well, we don't know, but they are. I mean they

1150
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 4: came from the investigation.

1151
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:12,919
Speaker 3: We know that much show.

1152
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 5: This is how I'm nosy. I want to know how

1153
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 5: they came up with that list of memes.

1154
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 3: I'm very nice.

1155
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 2: Why isn't everybody just like walking door to door, like

1156
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 2: you know, it's just a tough one, Like I felt

1157
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,479
Speaker 2: the whole country wants answers. If we all just walked

1158
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 2: out outside and knocked on our neighbor's door. It was

1159
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 2: like Nancy, you know, like we want like, how is

1160
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 2: it possible with all the technology that we have, all

1161
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 2: of the heart that wants Nancy's safe return, her return period. Enough,

1162
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 2: we haven't even seen the Guthrie as much.

1163
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 5: Or even if they're even in Tucson anymore. These people

1164
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 5: that have Nancy or took Nancy or was this a

1165
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 5: robbery that maybe went wrong and they had they had

1166
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 5: to take Nancy, you know, because something happened and they

1167
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 5: left evidence behind.

1168
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 3: They couldn't leave her body. Oh yeah.

1169
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 2: What's interesting is Pam Bondi and Savannah Guthrie are lifetime

1170
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 2: friends of like years.

1171
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 3: Fun fact unrelated.

1172
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 4: Well, keep it here because coming up we're going to

1173
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 4: be talking about the first day of the murder trial

1174
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 4: of the Utah Mom. She's accused killer Corey Richins. Keep

1175
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 4: it here to your friends.

1176
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 2: Tonight, Courtney our Strong is bringing down that house. Welcome

1177
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 2: back to true crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

1178
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 2: crime all the time. Steph here with Courtney and Boddy,

1179
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong giving us the big full body dance.

1180
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 3: That's right, thankfully.

1181
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 2: So Yeah, the talkbacks, keep them coming, keep them coming,

1182
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 2: keep them coming.

1183
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 3: Should we go to one right now?

1184
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 6: Sure?

1185
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 10: Let's due, Hi, ladies, this is Jordan, calling from Arizona

1186
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 10: regarding the Nancy Guthrie chase.

1187
01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:59,919
Speaker 5: I just had a song.

1188
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 10: I had heard that just like you can buy credit

1189
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 10: card information for people on the dark Web, you can

1190
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 10: also get bring nest, blink, et cetera footage that they've

1191
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 10: uploaded to the cloud on the dark Web. I have

1192
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 10: heard that this is how subductors, bargoers, what have you,

1193
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 10: will chase people from a farm. I didn't know if

1194
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 10: you guys knew anything about that had me songs. I'd

1195
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 10: love to hear it sing nye.

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01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, you can buy a question anything, and

1197
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 5: you can buy anything and it's and you don't even

1198
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 5: need to though. People post their ring footage all the

1199
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 5: time on the neighborhood app. I mean all the time

1200
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 5: they post their footage like yeah, like what kind of

1201
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 5: animal is this? And it's like a lizard in their

1202
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 5: front yard? Or you know, did anybody hear this at

1203
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 5: two am? And it's a video of a sound?

1204
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 3: You know?

1205
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1206
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 2: The next Door app if you guys don't know where

1207
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 2: that is, it's like this app. It's definitely in cities.

1208
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,439
Speaker 2: I was obsessed with it in Los Angeles. I would

1209
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 2: just be on it all night because it's all your

1210
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 2: neighbors basically that you don't know, and they're all like.

1211
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 3: Have you seen my dog? Or have you seen the

1212
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 3: suspicious guy next to my car?

1213
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 2: So you get all the action in the neighborhood. But

1214
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 2: I don't know that that's not I think that's only

1215
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 2: in major cities.

1216
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 3: But well, it's also the ring, like the Ring app

1217
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 3: for instance.

1218
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 5: They have their own it's I think it's called the

1219
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 5: neighborhood app, and I think I can't remember. I don't

1220
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 5: have a ring anymore. But yeah, and people postuff all

1221
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 5: the time they would, so you don't even need to

1222
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 5: go to the dark web. I mean you certainly can

1223
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,479
Speaker 5: for things that weren't posted. And then that Super Bowl

1224
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 5: ad to remember that crazy super Bowl ad with the dogs.

1225
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, yeah, share your footage to find dogs.

1226
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 4: It's not defined, you know, people that we want to

1227
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,479
Speaker 4: take off the streets or anything else.

1228
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 5: Is it possible that somebody bought, you know, footage you

1229
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 5: know Nancy from Nancy Go threes cloud videos on the

1230
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 5: dark Web. Not likely because she didn't have a service.

1231
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 5: She didn't have a service to upload the cloud, so

1232
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 5: it's not likely unless she did have a service at

1233
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 5: one time, and.

1234
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 2: Then you know, why would you take her if it

1235
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 2: wasn't for money, Like, why would you abduct Well, a

1236
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 2: lot of people would you abduct an elder if you

1237
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 2: weren't going to steal her money?

1238
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1239
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 5: A lot of people think that it was It's possible

1240
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 5: that the burglar, if it was a burglary, meant to

1241
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 5: go to the neighbors next door because they had like

1242
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 5: a gem business where they sell like rare earth gems,

1243
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 5: you know, like uh, not like diamonds or whatever, but

1244
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 5: like you know, the gems that are in rocks, the

1245
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 5: crystals and whatnot. Oh yeah, like but they're very beautiful

1246
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 5: and very big and very expensive. A lot of people

1247
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 5: think because you could see the neighbors boxing all their

1248
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 5: gems up and carrying them out in boxes like two

1249
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 5: days later. Yeah, because they were like, we're getting hell

1250
01:04:58,480 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 5: out of here.

1251
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't blame them.

1252
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 5: And then I think that, well, at home they gems

1253
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 5: and went somewhere else. Yeah, I mean I would too.

1254
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 5: There was a bunch of media outside my house. I'd

1255
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 5: be like, I don't get that here, or maybe they

1256
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 5: were just going to a gem show. Who knows, like

1257
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 5: it you know, it could just be very like that.

1258
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 5: But a lot of people think it was like the

1259
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 5: case of mistake and identity. But with this new footage,

1260
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 5: with this footage, and we're you know, we're learning that

1261
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 5: it was different nights. I feel like they did they

1262
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 5: get it wrong twice or did they right targeted?

1263
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 2: She was targeted away it's Rana Guthrie, which is pretty

1264
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 2: scary if you know, news anchors have to be mindful

1265
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 2: that they're you know, going to have family members yanked

1266
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 2: because but again it still doesn't track though for me,

1267
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 2: because then it would be for a statement, or it

1268
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 2: would if they were targeting the Savannah Guthrie to make

1269
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 2: a point.

1270
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 3: Then what's the point?

1271
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 2: Oh, you kept her from covering the Olympics, I know what,

1272
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 2: who cares? Nobody cares? You open the seat for Hoda.

1273
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 2: It appears you haven't seen much of Savannah, even if

1274
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 2: it was the Virginia Goufrey interview from yesteryear that was

1275
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 2: many years ago and seems a little tansgentle. Yeah, like

1276
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 2: the why doesn't totally make sense?

1277
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 5: The why doesn't and we might never know. But today

1278
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 5: it was the first day of the Corey Richins trial.

1279
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 5: The Central mom. She's the Utah mom accused of killing

1280
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 5: her husband, Eric Richins. Right, So today was the first

1281
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 5: day she's accused of fatally poisoning her husband with sentinel.

1282
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 5: She's charged with aggravated murder attempted aggravated murder in the

1283
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 5: twenty two death of her husband, Eric Richins. He was

1284
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 5: thirty nine, She's thirty five. He is also the father

1285
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 5: to her three children, and in court today there was

1286
01:06:54,960 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 5: emotional testimony from his family highlighted Corey's behavior after her

1287
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 5: husband's death. Prosecutors are a legend she killed him to resolve,

1288
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 5: like her all her financial crisises that she was having.

1289
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 3: She was hundreds of thousands of dollars right debt. I

1290
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 3: believe yes.

1291
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 5: And she had this really like this facade of privilege, right,

1292
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 5: and she was actively involved in this new relationship. And

1293
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 5: her defense attorney, well, her defense in general maintains her

1294
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 5: innocent and disputes the claim of any premeditation at all.

1295
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 5: The prosecutor's name is.

1296
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 3: Brad blood Worth. I love that name. I don't know why,

1297
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 3: Brad blood Worth. That's a great name. It's a great name.

1298
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 5: It's a really good name. So he's arguing he's the prosecutor,

1299
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 5: and he argued that Corey Richands deliberately poisoned her husband

1300
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 5: with illicit fetanyl for financial gain. He cited her four

1301
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 5: point five million dollar debt and plans to take on

1302
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 5: more the in the sum of three point two million,

1303
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 5: which would have been about seven million dollars in debt,

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Speaker 5: four million dollars a state, and his all his life

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Speaker 5: insurance policies. So he had a pretty big estate. And

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Speaker 5: they are accusing her of obtaining fetanol from a house

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Speaker 5: cleaner and previously tried it. Remember she tried to poison

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Speaker 5: him on Valentine's Day.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and he told people.

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Speaker 4: Eric told people at the time, I'm afraid my wife

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Speaker 4: is trying to kill me.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 5: She sent texts to her boyfriend saying if he could

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Speaker 5: just go away, life would be so perfect.

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Speaker 3: Can you believe that? How perfect is it now? Right now?

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Speaker 5: And so the prosecution also highlighted deleted phone data and

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Speaker 5: things that happened after his death in searches such as

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Speaker 5: can cops and covered deleted messages, iPhone and luxury prisons

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Speaker 5: for the rich in America. Can you believe how bringe

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Speaker 5: this is.

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Speaker 4: I'm getting a bucket so I can throw up into it.

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Speaker 3: I know, luxury prisons for the rich in America. Check

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Speaker 3: in with the lame. Well, I'm sure she'll say exactly right.

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Speaker 3: Makes me nauseous.

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Speaker 5: So the defense her name is Catherine Nestor, and she

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Speaker 5: called the case totally circumstantial, pointing to the investigative gaps

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Speaker 5: and no direct proof that Corey put.

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Speaker 3: Fentanyl in Eric's drink. Right like nobody saw her do it.

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Speaker 5: There's no like real evidence, like tangible that they can

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Speaker 5: show like right.

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Speaker 3: But it doesn't.

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Speaker 4: As we've spoken about, circumstantial does not mean that it

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Speaker 4: cannot build a case. And the majority of time it

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Speaker 4: is circumstantial, right.

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Speaker 5: She The defense also argued that Eric may have unknowingly

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Speaker 5: ingested fentanyl, possibly through marijuana gummies.

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Speaker 3: And let me tell you something.

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Speaker 5: You guys know, I take a gummy every now and then, right,

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Speaker 5: it helped me sleep or you know whatever. There's no

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Speaker 5: way these are I mean, these are regulated. These are

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Speaker 5: ventanyls not seeping into the you know, your dispensary marijuana

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Speaker 5: gummies unless which.

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Speaker 2: Is why they have to be regulated, because the fentanyl

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Speaker 2: is sneaking into so many other things.

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Speaker 5: And I know in Utah, I don't think that I

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Speaker 5: don't think marijuana is recreational there yet. I do know

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Speaker 5: it is medical, though you can get medical.

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Speaker 3: It is illegal in Utah for recreational use.

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Speaker 5: So that it would be possible if it's not legal

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Speaker 5: in Utah. That's you know, you can buy off the market,

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Speaker 5: right means, and that would be susceptible to fetanel. But

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Speaker 5: I mean it's it's just not what's the what's the

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01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 5: benefit of adding fetanyl to marijuana?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 3: So, like, what is her take on this? She's saying,

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Speaker 3: I am innocent, innocent, innocent.

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Speaker 5: She's basically saying, I don't know what happened, Okay, She's uh.

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Speaker 5: She's constantly maintained that she described the marriage as imperfect

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Speaker 5: but improving, and they were going to counting and witnesses

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Speaker 5: saying the couple seemed happy before his death. The defense

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01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 5: is continuing to claim that those phone searches reflected stress

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Speaker 5: from the investigation, not guilt.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I'm buying that. Listen, if you're

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Speaker 4: just joining us, this is true crime tonight, and Body

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Speaker 4: Movement is filling us in on day one of the

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Speaker 4: trial of Corey Richins. She's the woman from Utah who's

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Speaker 4: accused of poisoning her husband with fentanyl. So was there

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01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 4: anything from today's testimony in particular body.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they went through the timeline of you know,

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Speaker 5: she called nine to one one saying that Eric was

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Speaker 5: cold and unresponsive.

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Speaker 3: The deputies arrived.

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Speaker 5: After the authorities arrived on the scene, there was bodycam

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Speaker 5: footage shown in court and you can see Corey consoling

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01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 5: the kids and you know, discussing all the medications that

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Speaker 5: Eric was on because he had back pain and he

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Speaker 5: occasionally took hydrocodone. He also had line disease and received

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01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 5: an allergy shot the day before he died. So she's

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01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 5: on the camera kind of like going through all the

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01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 5: medications and what he was dealing with. They also went

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01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 5: over all the assets that Eric haddy. They were placed

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Speaker 5: in his trust and his sister became the trustee. And

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01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 5: of course Corey Richins challenged that assignment, right, she challenged.

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01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 3: Trust because that's I mean, that is my eyebrow.

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01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:34,559
Speaker 4: That not your wife, but your sister is your trustee, right, right,

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Speaker 4: I mean that says it all.

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01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah. His sister testified today.

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01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 5: Actually she said the accused of the accused in this case,

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01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 5: Corey Richins, did not appear hysterical and discussed business deals

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01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 5: and selling the home on the day he died. So

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01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 5: your husband dies, the father of your children, right, and

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01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 5: you're talking about business deals and selling the house on

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01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 5: that day. I mean, I guess I could. I guess

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01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 5: I could maybe see I can't live here anymore. This

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01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 5: is too much. I got to sell the house maybe

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01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 5: something like that.

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Speaker 2: Or you're maybe afraid that something dangerous is going to

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01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:13,680
Speaker 2: have right, because carbon DIOXG had been there, right, But

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01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 2: she wasn't hysterical about it.

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01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:18,600
Speaker 3: She was just like the way she described, kind of flippant.

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Speaker 11: Right.

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01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:24,759
Speaker 5: Eric's father testified that he barely spoke with the Corey

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01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 5: that morning and said that she later and incorrectly told

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01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 5: him that the medical examiner had ruled Eric's death caused

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01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 5: by COVID. She lied to his dad. She said that

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01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 5: Eric's died from a lung fungus from COVID.

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01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 3: Can you believe that?

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01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 4: Hold on, let me get my bucket one more time.

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01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 4: I know you're now lying to this thirty nine year

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01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 4: old man, father of three, very successful in his own right,

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01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 4: with a you know, loving family that he comes from,

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01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:59,679
Speaker 4: and you're gonna lie to the father also as if

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01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 4: what is the point of that, as though that weren't

1414
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 4: going to calm out right right?

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01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, she totally lied, which is crazy to me. And

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01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 5: like the father of Eric isn't going to know like

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01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 5: his cause of death.

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01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 3: It's crazy. It's absolutely crazy to me. That's the ball.

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01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 3: This is the craziest thing I've ever heard.

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01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no crazy then me trying to get a

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01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 2: sweatshirt off?

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01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 3: My god, So are you hot? Heavy? I just think, oh, that.

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01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 5: Sweatshirt is very heavy. Yeah, let's uh, but that's what

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01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 5: happened today. We're gonna obviously keep following it. Today was

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01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 5: just the first day, so we're going to keep following it.

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01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 5: But let's go to let's go to the talk about Yeah.

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01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 11: How do I go?

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01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 3: Girls?

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01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 6: Tell how you would definitely be rose? And I mean

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01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 6: that in the guest possible way. This is least from

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01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:47,759
Speaker 6: misapin always looking.

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01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 3: For good vibes.

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01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 6: So I thought, it's your mind. Now, this has nothing

1434
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 6: to do with true crime at all, But I have

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01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 6: a three year old daughter who's currently obsessed with Paul

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01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 6: Patrol and last night the Clarence at Walmart, I found

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01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 6: a room set that came with a table tow chairs

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01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:02,639
Speaker 6: and a favora toy organizer marked down from almost eighty

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01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 6: dollars to nine dollars, and so I still had everything.

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01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 6: She is just so happy about it. She even used

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01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 6: the bottom box to put all our Paw Patrol toys

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01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 6: to sleep in.

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01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 3: Oh, that is so new, Alicia. That is the good

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01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 3: news that we've been asking for. That is all good news.

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01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 5: Eighty bucks what a deal, I mean, the news for

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01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 5: me is the deal well.

1447
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 4: And also that happiness of Paw Patrol. My boy when

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01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 4: he was little little, when he was three and four,

1449
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 4: two years in a row, were the same costume as Sky,

1450
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 4: who's the only main girl Inrolls. It's an adorable cartoon,

1451
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 4: that little toddler's like, I'm assuming it's a dog. It's many.

1452
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 4: It's many dogs, ones like the fire Guy, and another

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01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 4: one's a police and Paw Patrol and little Kitty gets

1454
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:02,600
Speaker 4: stuck in a tree and they go and sort it

1455
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 4: out and there always, you know, helping things. There's a

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01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,600
Speaker 4: birthday mystery and it ends in a birthday surprise, like

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01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 4: I'm remembering all these books because Paw Patrol is.

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01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 5: Light though it how come I can't walk into a

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01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 5: store and find an eighty dollars item for nine bucks, Like.

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01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 2: Yes, you can, or you'll probably make a three D

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01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 2: printed version of it.

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01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 3: But I don't know.

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01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 2: You could probably make a pretty good prow patrol party

1464
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 2: set three D printer.

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01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 3: I bet you, I bet you. There's items I could

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01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 3: probably print for her.

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01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, ghost chairs in that table would be amazing. But

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01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 2: that's amazing for your little nugget too, to have that

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01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 2: amazing gift.

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01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, we all use the little good news and listen,

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Speaker 4: stick around. We're going to have more DMS, more talk back,

1472
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:57,759
Speaker 4: so you guys will be ruling the content of the show.

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01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 4: You always do was so wisely, so keep it here.

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Speaker 4: True Crime Tonight, We're talking true crime all the time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. Oh my goodness, I'm my mug.

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01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 2: You guys have your mugs in front of you right now.

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01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 2: The True Crime Tonight mug is my favorite. Oh my god,

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01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:31,680
Speaker 2: I love it. I have it. It is my favorite thing.

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01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:34,640
Speaker 2: I carried around all day like a little jewel, like

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01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:38,600
Speaker 2: a treasure. By the way, we'll talk about this tomorrows.

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01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 2: I know we have talked backs to get to but

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01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:44,719
Speaker 2: the Tyra documentary about it is so too much. Yes,

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01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 2: I cannot wait to talk more about it.

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01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:51,680
Speaker 3: How can I don't know. I'm not sure about Tyrol.

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01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 2: I seem like Tyra is as apologetic as Tyra should be.

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Speaker 3: Oh really not at all. I didn't get the same.

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01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 3: I thought the boys were like calling it what it was,

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Speaker 3: and like she was not she doesn't have it, huh.

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01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:11,599
Speaker 4: Nigel the noted photographer as they used to call him,

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Speaker 4: he also wasn't. He kind of doubled down on There

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01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:18,679
Speaker 4: was this woman who this is not giving anything away,

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01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 4: but she's like I was very uncomfortable on set one

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01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 4: day and no wonder because a model who there should

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01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 4: have been no touching at all. Literally the picture that

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Speaker 4: they chose for her picture was him grabbing her behind

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Speaker 4: two full handfuls. And basically even today, Nigel's like, well,

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Speaker 4: you're on set, you just got to make it work.

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, I mean you think about it in this corner.

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Speaker 2: You know, we know so much about the agencies and

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Speaker 2: the modeling agencies. And I was such a Tira fan

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01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 2: or am a fan, I should say, but yeah, do

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Speaker 2: you see?

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01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 5: Though?

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Speaker 3: Definitely I can't wait to talk about next week. I

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01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 3: talk back.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, let's do holy hell cold USA men hockey.

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01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: And I just wanted to say, anyone who didn't watch

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Speaker 12: this morning, that is a crime. I played hockey last

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01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 12: night at eleven fifteen. I tailgated in my true crumb

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01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 12: tonight's sweatshirt, allegedly, allegedly allegedly, and I still got up

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01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:18,719
Speaker 12: at five am, even though I played two more games

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01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 12: tonight at eleven gold medals, both men and women overtime

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01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 12: over Canada. All the whole people in Michigan. Oh Audi,

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01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 12: I hope that you are just soaking all of this in.

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01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 12: And I hope Stephanie and Courtney and everybody else that

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Speaker 12: you are now one on the hockey train.

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01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:37,719
Speaker 11: Girl.

1520
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 5: I have never been so patriotic in my life. Let

1521
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 5: me just tell you something right now. I woke up

1522
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 5: at five in the morning yesterday to watch this game.

1523
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:51,879
Speaker 3: We won. We beat Camp, both of the sensational amazing,

1524
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,640
Speaker 3: the women amazing. We went in an overtime.

1525
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:56,599
Speaker 5: So I don't know if you guys know about hockey,

1526
01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 5: but when it goes to overtime, the first person who

1527
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 5: basically makes a goal wins, and there's less players on

1528
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 5: the ice too.

1529
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 3: Oh my god, very exciting.

1530
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you haven't seen it, you really should.

1531
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 3: It's worth checking it out. Amazing.

1532
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 5: It reminded me of when the US played Russia in

1533
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 5: the eighties.

1534
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 4: I was going to say, Okay, I just very recently

1535
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:29,719
Speaker 4: watched it came out there Miracle the Boys of Eighties.

1536
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 3: It's on Netflix.

1537
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 4: It's a documentary and it is fabulous and talk about

1538
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 4: being patriotic, like it explores the whole everything that was

1539
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 4: happening at the time.

1540
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 3: And I remember they.

1541
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 4: Said, because everything was dark and this was such a

1542
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 4: shine of light. And I remember at one point one

1543
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 4: of the former players, because you get there, you see

1544
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 4: them young, and you see them today, and one of

1545
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:52,719
Speaker 4: them said, boy, we could use a miracle today.

1546
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1547
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 5: I mean this was the height of the Cold War,

1548
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. And anyway, here we are,

1549
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 5: twenty six. All this is going off. You know, I'm

1550
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 5: starting to doubt the country I even live in, right, No,

1551
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:09,599
Speaker 5: don't say that, but no, no, And then I wake out.

1552
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 3: The world is crazy.

1553
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:12,719
Speaker 5: I wake up it's five in the morning to watch

1554
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 5: you know. And by the way, my one of my

1555
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 5: best friends, Tiffany, love you, Tiffany. She went to a

1556
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 5: watch party at five o'clock in the morning. I was like, girl,

1557
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 5: I ain't doing that, but.

1558
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:22,679
Speaker 3: I'm going to get up amazing.

1559
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:26,879
Speaker 5: So she got up and went to this watch anyway. Anyway,

1560
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 5: we won. We won, and I.

1561
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 3: Was like us, say, you say.

1562
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 5: And by the way, the women's the women's game was

1563
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 5: just as exciting. And by the way, you never told

1564
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 5: us what position you play, so you got to call

1565
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 5: back and let us know, what do you what position

1566
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:44,679
Speaker 5: you play? I bet you the goalie. I bet you're

1567
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 5: hearing through the goalie. RESTful job. That's the most stressful job.

1568
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 2: How about Alissa Lou too, the I hope I'm saying

1569
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:53,679
Speaker 2: her name correctly.

1570
01:21:54,280 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 3: Ice skater, figure skating. Yes, you haven't seen her. She's

1571
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:00,879
Speaker 3: so talented.

1572
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 2: See joy, just pure purpose and doing something for the

1573
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:10,679
Speaker 2: self of it, not for the fame, not for the money,

1574
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 2: not even for the metal. You are this just there

1575
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 2: for the love of the love of the ring.

1576
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 3: I love.

1577
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 7: Oh.

1578
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:20,679
Speaker 3: I have found them to be so inspiring. I feel

1579
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 3: like I have watched it in the backgrounds a day ground.

1580
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 3: I have never not had it on.

1581
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 2: And any single time somebody walks by or I walk by,

1582
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 2: and you catch the most interesting two minutes of a

1583
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 2: person's entire career and the highs and the lows.

1584
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 3: Oh my god, the quad god almost little.

1585
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 2: Spill. He was wickedly talented.

1586
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 3: Do you see, Flavor Flav. I don't know if you

1587
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:51,640
Speaker 3: remember the sounding. Yes, yes, he offered.

1588
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 5: He said, he said, for the women's hockey for winning

1589
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 5: the goal, because they I guess they didn't really have

1590
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 5: like the best celebration.

1591
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:57,599
Speaker 3: For the women's team.

1592
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 5: He you know, he was a big chanceampion of the

1593
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 5: water polo team in the summer Olympics, the women, and

1594
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 5: he like sponsored a big celebration for anyway, he offered

1595
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 5: to do the same thing for the women's hockey team.

1596
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:12,599
Speaker 3: Flavor Flavor, Yeah, that's very nice.

1597
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 5: I don't know if you saw a Flavor fan in

1598
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 5: Paris in summer, but he was at every single water

1599
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 5: polo game, head to toe, red white, blue, like just

1600
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 5: cheering those women on. He was so into it. It

1601
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 5: was awesome to watch. Well, he's doing the same thing

1602
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:30,679
Speaker 5: for the women's hockey and you know what I gotta say,

1603
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 5: I love it. Keep it up, Flavor Flav. You're a

1604
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 5: good guy.

1605
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 2: I have a couple of we have a few friends

1606
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:37,600
Speaker 2: in common, and I say he's the nicest and the

1607
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:39,799
Speaker 2: and like so lovely.

1608
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a he's neighbor. He's he played actually with

1609
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 5: my late dogs.

1610
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:51,720
Speaker 3: Paying in dog. Yeah, may they rest in peace? Interesting?

1611
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 2: I mean think about flavor. Flavor another American treasure that's

1612
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:56,679
Speaker 2: right about.

1613
01:23:57,280 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 11: Hi Yo, This is Lisa from Texas. I just wanted

1614
01:23:59,920 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 11: to thank you for featuring Kasa on Sunday's episode. When

1615
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:07,599
Speaker 11: I retired from teaching in twenty seventeen, I was encouraged

1616
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,639
Speaker 11: by my daughter to become a court appointed special advocate,

1617
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 11: which I needed. She had been volunteering for several years

1618
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:18,759
Speaker 11: and expressed how volunteers were so needed. Most people aren't

1619
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 11: aware of the need, and most people aren't even aware

1620
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 11: of the program.

1621
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 3: I didn't know anything about it. I hadn'tuntil a very

1622
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:30,440
Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago. Yeah I had this program.

1623
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, I mean I know it now, but yeah,

1624
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 2: can anybody just get involved and just sign right up?

1625
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 12: Yet?

1626
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:38,439
Speaker 3: You go, you sign up.

1627
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 4: It's I don't know if this is the same in

1628
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 4: every state, but it's about a thirty thirty hours that

1629
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 4: he need to take and then you get sworn in.

1630
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:48,679
Speaker 3: To the court so.

1631
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 4: You can advocate for the child or children who you

1632
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:56,599
Speaker 4: were assigned to and if you can pass a background

1633
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:57,759
Speaker 4: check then yeah.

1634
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 5: I didn't know anything about the foster care prison pipeline either.

1635
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 5: That was so educational to me, Like all the statistics,

1636
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 5: I don't have them in front of me anymore, but

1637
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 5: the amount of kids that you know, they have all

1638
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:12,160
Speaker 5: this unstability in their life unless they unless they get

1639
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 5: a really great foster home, right, they have all the

1640
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 5: sunstability in their life. And I think I think it

1641
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 5: was saying like seventy percent or something of the children

1642
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 5: that are in foster care have like five homes in

1643
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 5: a year.

1644
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:29,879
Speaker 4: Oh well, I can tell you one thing. Seventy percent

1645
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 4: will be incarcerated. Seventy percent by age I believe it

1646
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 4: was twenty four it was, and then no that it's

1647
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 4: it's actually a much higher average. It's actually you can

1648
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 4: be you're remembering five from ham Kendall who was on

1649
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 4: a show was Acasa and when she was a casta

1650
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:54,760
Speaker 4: to her first family, they'd been in five homes in

1651
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 4: one year.

1652
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:58,639
Speaker 3: In one year. Yeah, I couldn't believe that. It's so sad.

1653
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 5: Gets eighteen then eighteen and they're just basically like, okay, kid,

1654
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 5: you're on your own dropped off at a bus station

1655
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 5: with nothing including no birth certificate, no security number, nothing,

1656
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 5: no money, no money, no and no skills because you know,

1657
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 5: they haven't been really taught anything.

1658
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 3: So of course what are they going to do?

1659
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 12: What?

1660
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 3: Of course, cyme crime, necessity of crime.

1661
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:29,439
Speaker 5: So if the government is really serious about cracking down

1662
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:32,679
Speaker 5: on crime, maybe we should put some money into these

1663
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 5: initiatives that are volunteering to be these court appointed advocates

1664
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 5: and whatnot, and put money where your mouth is if

1665
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 5: you want to prevent crime or stop crime prevented from happening.

1666
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 4: Well, and remember first lady Lania Trump is doing initiative

1667
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 4: sting the future. And indeed, did I want to say

1668
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:56,240
Speaker 4: it's twenty five million. It's a lot about me, but

1669
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:59,640
Speaker 4: it's it's exactly to do this is to interact.

1670
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:02,639
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, good point. I think it's great. Are you too?

1671
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:08,280
Speaker 5: I don't think you can put enough money into children, right,

1672
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:12,240
Speaker 5: but you just can't. I believe schools should be palaces,

1673
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 5: you know, they should be they should have marble floors.

1674
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 5: I can't agree more the schools. Of course, Foster Care

1675
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:24,360
Speaker 5: safe and so should Foster Care. Of course, So Millennia

1676
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:28,679
Speaker 5: Trump's game of course, wonderful Gabe one and got it first.

1677
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:32,840
Speaker 5: Lady Milania Trump, she's champion foster care, securing twenty five

1678
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 5: to thirty million for youth transitioning out of the system.

1679
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 5: And it's called Fostering the Future, and this initiative and

1680
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 5: it's linked to be her Be Best program supports housing

1681
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 5: and education through public and private partnerships, aiding over fifteen

1682
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 5: thousand young people aging out annually.

1683
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 3: Good. I love this initiative absolutely.

1684
01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 4: I mean, give a better chance than a fifty chance

1685
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 4: of having as much as a high school diploma, right.

1686
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 5: I mean just one, I mean even twenty dollars of

1687
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 5: that money can make such a big difference in one

1688
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:14,960
Speaker 5: kid's life. It's so crazy. So yeah, I'm I'm a

1689
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:15,720
Speaker 5: big fan of this.

1690
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 3: Thank you for that. Foster mom.

1691
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 2: By the way, would you ever consider that I tried,

1692
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 2: actually I could really just like yeah, I actually tried.

1693
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,639
Speaker 3: Just talking it kind of gave me like a ping

1694
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 3: just now.

1695
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 5: I actually tried to adopt, but I didn't really get anywhere.

1696
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 5: I'm single, i'm not rich, i'm not religious. There's a

1697
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 5: lot of things going against me.

1698
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 3: And you are twenty years are loving and kind.

1699
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 5: I thought in stable I would have made a really

1700
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 5: good mom.

1701
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 3: And loving and tremendous something I woulconsider. I don't know.

1702
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 2: As you were talking just now, as you were speaking,

1703
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 2: I just like fell to a ping.

1704
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 3: Yeah. I really wanted to be a mom. Did life

1705
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:02,720
Speaker 3: is that? Life is long? Will you never know?

1706
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:05,640
Speaker 5: But I'm tifty now, you know I'll be I'll be

1707
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 5: a nice little grandma to somebody or something that.

1708
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:12,680
Speaker 3: You can be a mom and you can drop a

1709
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 3: little older.

1710
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 5: Also, you know iverybody is for sure those are the

1711
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 5: kids to be the most right, Yes.

1712
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 3: Of course I do.

1713
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 2: That was really being a nine year old and like

1714
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 2: going to see antibody.

1715
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 3: And the dogs stuff right, all.

1716
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 5: My electronics they would love, they would love. I have

1717
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 5: a p S five to come on this. I'm the

1718
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 5: best grandma house. No, thank you for that talk back though.

1719
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 5: That was a really important segment, and that was so

1720
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 5: glad to have done it because I, again I didn't

1721
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 5: know anything about it.

1722
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 2: That's too learned a lot I learned. I've gotten a

1723
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:54,839
Speaker 2: lot of feedback from that segment.

1724
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:58,560
Speaker 5: Well, and the lady who uh got the sweatshirt she

1725
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:00,320
Speaker 5: donated to that organization?

1726
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:03,800
Speaker 3: Is that right? She didn't donate to Kasa.

1727
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 5: But she did it was a child advocate altally, right, Yeah,

1728
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:13,680
Speaker 5: it was because of child advocacy center. She did it

1729
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 5: in her local area, which, of course you should always

1730
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 5: do things locally. So I just I'm so happy. I'm

1731
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:21,120
Speaker 5: so happy. When I first read it, I was like,

1732
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:23,600
Speaker 5: what is this? And then I was like, oh, I

1733
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:24,840
Speaker 5: had no idea I had.

1734
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:28,679
Speaker 4: I mean, this feels like a watershed honestly, to having

1735
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 4: eyes open. It feels the same Stephanie as when we

1736
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:33,679
Speaker 4: started murdered and missing in Montana.

1737
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 3: It's kind of once you do, know, no, it haunts

1738
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 3: you every second of every day.

1739
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:43,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, once your eyes are open to those kinds of things, right,

1740
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:44,559
Speaker 5: like the Epsteine files too.

1741
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:47,280
Speaker 3: Once your eyes are opened, you just can't shut them again.

1742
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 3: You just can't.

1743
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:50,600
Speaker 2: We can't like pretend we didn't see it, like right now,

1744
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:54,599
Speaker 2: like I think everyone's just like taking a breath, gathering

1745
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 2: our thoughts.

1746
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:58,680
Speaker 5: How much would you guessing to be on that investigative

1747
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 5: team looking at that ranch right now? Like, would you

1748
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 5: I would pay to be on that tape? I?

1749
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 3: Yes?

1750
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:06,880
Speaker 2: And by the way, there's some really good information to

1751
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 2: suggest that there actually will be actionable there, that they

1752
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:13,599
Speaker 2: may in fact find bodies buried there. And if that's

1753
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:17,160
Speaker 2: the case, obviously that's a very different set of circumstances

1754
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 2: from where this case started or this you know list

1755
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 2: then it went to files. Now we're talking about, you know,

1756
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 2: an industrial level sex trafficking ring worldwide potentially and then

1757
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:31,680
Speaker 2: some So yeah, more on that.

1758
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:36,599
Speaker 3: Scary, just a little bit scary.

1759
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 2: Do we have time for when we're talk back?

1760
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:43,799
Speaker 3: Hey, this is Lisa from Pittsburgh. Loveans. Here's my suggestion.

1761
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:46,639
Speaker 3: What if we did no pedophile Friday? Gives you a break,

1762
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:49,680
Speaker 3: gives our little ears a break and really allows us

1763
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 3: to focus on some of the other stuff going on.

1764
01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 3: Although I do know that this is a lot of

1765
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:57,760
Speaker 3: what's going on right now. That's my idea. Loveans. Weans.

1766
01:31:58,040 --> 01:32:00,960
Speaker 5: We're not on Friday, so it automatically is right, that's

1767
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:04,719
Speaker 5: an automatic how but we do know pict I agree,

1768
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 5: I think we agree.

1769
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 3: Fair.

1770
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's say Sunday, because Sunday is a holy day

1771
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 5: we probably shouldn't be talking about.

1772
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:13,760
Speaker 3: Okay, let's do that. Let's make it Sunday, no pedophilia talk.

1773
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:16,639
Speaker 5: I love it, and no sex crimes either, no sex

1774
01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:19,599
Speaker 5: crimes and so it is Wait a minute, and so

1775
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:20,040
Speaker 5: it is.

1776
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:22,600
Speaker 3: I command it to be so.

1777
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:25,639
Speaker 5: On the Lord's day. Can we really be talking about,

1778
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:26,759
Speaker 5: you know, murder?

1779
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:30,839
Speaker 2: I will say this for anybody, anybody who's been wronged,

1780
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 2: a victim in any way, who has survived any kind

1781
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 2: of abuse, whether it's sexual or otherwise. It is the

1782
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:40,560
Speaker 2: call of the many that is being gallered.

1783
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:43,959
Speaker 3: Now, you know, like those voices are going to move mountains.

1784
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 3: I believe.

1785
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:49,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, hang tight, and I promise good things are ahead.

1786
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 2: So yes, we're back tomorrow court. What should we be

1787
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 2: looking forward to?

1788
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 4: Oh man, Caleb Flynn, a former American Idol contestant, has

1789
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:02,120
Speaker 4: been accused of murder, and just Scott Morgan is joining us.

1790
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:12,920
Speaker 3: Good night, bye,