WEBVTT - Ep. 55: High Hooks In Love Handles 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:09.680 I found this whole exercise very instructive and and the 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:11.879 main thing I learned is that like at least twenty 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:14.880 percent of our audience is made up of sadists, muskie 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:18.040 saw aggressive. They attack your trolling though little cherry, garlic, 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:21.520 hot dog, and it's on piper kind of squirrely. It's 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:23.400 and it's not the big ones, it's the small ones 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:25.440 that you have to watch out for. It. It took 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:29.120 twenty tries for him to finally pop the hook through, 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:31.920 but we're sixty five off. What choice do I have, 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:37.080 you know, Good morning, degenerate anglers. Welcome to Ben the 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:39.800 Fishing Podcast that won't turn ghost white or throw up 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:41.840 at subway tuna when you bury a four oh treble 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:44.640 hook in the meat of your hand. I'm Joe Surmelie 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:49.240 Miles Nulty and I have seen grown men, though never women, 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:54.200 reduced to quivering sacks of fear and shock at the 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:57.160 sight of just a little metal cylinder disappearing into flesh. 0:00:57.480 --> 0:00:59.320 Yeah yeah, and you know, I'll I'll tell you what 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.560 you're right about him in too, they handle that much better, 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:05.440 that much better. Though, there was this one time I 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:07.240 asked my wife to grab a rod out of my 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:09.240 roof rack and she put a dog hook in her arm, 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:12.520 and she cried and screamed obscenities at me. But but 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:15.000 that was just that one time. To your point, though, 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:17.959 it is interesting that the hook doesn't even have to 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:22.319 be in that person's flesh, right, Like I've seen people 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:26.120 nearly pass out at the sight of someone else like 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:30.240 catching a hook deep. So, and and quick disclaimer, because 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:32.559 we're already going there. If you're one of those people 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:35.119 who get squeamish about hooks and body parts, you might 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:37.759 wanna you might want to skip this episode. We hope 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:39.880 you don't, but you might consider. But we want to 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.280 give you the option so we don't make you miserable 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:44.800 the whole time because we're we're going straight to the 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:48.200 shank for the next hour or so. I've got a 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:50.800 handful of really good hook stories that I've collected over 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:53.880 the years, both removing hooks from other people and from myself. 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:56.680 But one happens just a few weeks ago, and that's 0:01:56.720 --> 0:02:00.840 that's what inspired this week's theme. Yeah, story time with 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:03.640 Miles film. I feel I feel like we need, like 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.440 we need to make an intro for these at some point. 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:09.400 I like that, but If you do that, I vote 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:11.880 that we should integrate some kind of clip from Mr 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:19.080 Robinson's neighborhood. Hello boy, the girl off One Man. Eddie 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:24.040 Murphy was genius on now I mean little Richard Simmons, 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.440 Come on anyway back to your story. No, we're not 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:30.840 talking Eddie Murphy. No, no, uh so I recently went 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:33.000 to a like a family reunion at my uncle and 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:37.160 a's place in northern Wisconsin. We had three generations, which 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:40.760 was nice. It's I think ages went from two to 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:44.800 seventy seven. That's a gap, it was a span. It 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:49.480 was really nice. The it was your quintessential family week 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:54.840 the lake right, water skiing, grilling, cornhole, water fights, copious cocktails, 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.200 lots of laughing, all the you know. It was. It 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:00.960 was all the rich human connection that has been just 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.920 totally missing for the past eighteen years, and we tried 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:06.360 to cram it all into one week. It's also pretty 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:10.079 much everything you see on Charlie Baron's channel, So it 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:15.480 was it was very much like, uh, we've been trying 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.600 to get on this show Charlie anytime now, anytime, any time, 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:20.560 you can come on anytime you want. But the one 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:22.680 thing we didn't have enough of we just ran out 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:24.120 of because we tried to cram it all into one 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:27.360 week was fishing time. So last day of the trip, 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.800 half the family is already gone, my two uncles and 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:33.000 and these are the men, I should say, who seated 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:35.600 my love for fishing. These are the guys who baited 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:39.120 hooks and untangled lines when I was four, you know, 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:43.120 the ones who nurtured and mentored and just put up 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:47.119 with me for decades. So these guys insisted, like last day, 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:49.280 you're about to leave your flying out, we gotta go 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:51.880 out for a few hours. And I said great, So 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:53.400 we trail it up and we went over to this 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:55.560 lake that used to be one of my father's favorites, 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:58.760 and we headed right to the spot where my dad 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:02.320 caught his biggest bass ever. And it's the same spot 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:04.640 where we later scattered his ashes. So it's it's a 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:08.480 it's like a powerful place show my family. And of course, 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:12.200 right there, right at that spot, my uncle Jim hooks 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:17.159 up bam. It wasn't anything noteworthy, right, it was. It 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:20.680 was like a half pound large still felt significant right 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:22.520 where it was and what we were doing, what was 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:26.320 going on, And so I think we experienced as a boat, 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:30.560 this moment of of profound awe gratitude. It was. It 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.120 was one of those one of those times that brings 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:37.280 out spiritual feeling. Even if you're not officially spiritual, you 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:40.599 just kind of get the that that sense inside little 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:44.880 connection I was talking about. Yeah, And as I was 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:52.320 basking in that sublime glow, this loud, shocked, oh god, damn, 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:56.200 it brings out from the bow of the boat. And 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:58.360 I should say that my uncle Jim is not a 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:02.600 man who swears casual. He does have quite the arsenal 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:06.760 of expletives, but he saves them for very special occasions. 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:10.320 So I look up and I see one of the 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:14.560 points of the rear treble on the lure that he 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:17.320 was using, buried in the index finger of his left hand, 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.359 right right next to the fingernail bed, which is a 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.920 very painful place to get. I've had one there. And 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.400 the bass, of course, is still pinned on the front 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:27.920 trouble with two of the hooks. So I grab a 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:29.560 set of fliers, I run up and hooked the bass. 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:33.920 I let it go. Jim looks at his finger and says, well, 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.520 I guess we'll just have to push that through and 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:39.280 I'll have you cut the hook And I'm not a 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:43.680 fan of that. For the record, I don't so I say, 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:47.520 you know, uncle Jim, there's an easier way. This is 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:50.680 something I've done many times. I can take that hook out. 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:52.240 I've taken a lot of hooks out of a lot 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:55.760 of people, and it will hurt much less. And though 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:58.240 I am a grown man and have made my living 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:01.200 in the fishing industry for over a decade, in the 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:03.560 eyes of my uncle's I'm still kind of a kid. 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:07.680 Oh yeah, you know, family members. Yeah, you don't know. 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:09.680 I don't know what you're talking about. Forty years old. 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:12.840 You don't know anything. Nothing. And I mean I wouldn't 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:14.479 say I don't think that I know nothing, but like 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:17.040 I don't, I don't know. Because Jim mel Jim is 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:20.000 unfamiliar with this, this tactic for hook removal, so he 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:22.240 was skeptical. I think it's a good way of putting it, 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:24.719 and so I spent ten minutes explaining what I'm gonna do, 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:27.000 how it's gonna work, how I've done it before. I'm 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:29.279 trying to instill confidence, and he finally agrees, all right, 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.919 go ahead and give it a shot. So I cut 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.600 the eighty pound floral bite tippet that I was using 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:37.160 off and I tied into a perfection loop and I 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:38.960 snug it up to the bend of the hook, and 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:41.880 I wrapped the leader around my hand and popped it. 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:46.960 Everyone work perfectly, Yeah, it usually does. Trouble back right 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:51.120 out of his ring finger clean went sailing through the air, 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:55.239 and I had this moment of relief mixed with pride 0:06:55.279 --> 0:07:00.080 having saved the day, improving myself, you know. And and 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.839 the fishing trip is back on, and then the glorious 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:07.200 arc of this trouble flying out of his left hand 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:12.720 just comes to this sickening stop somehow, And I really 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.680 don't know how this happened. My uncle Jim managed to 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:20.920 place his right hand the other hand directly in the 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:26.040 trajectory of the hook as it was exiting his left. 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.320 Like I don't know how this happened. I literally ripped 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.880 the trouble out of his left hand. It flew through 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:35.000 the air for several feet and then buried not one 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:39.720 but two points really deep into his right hand. So 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:42.240 I just I just throw in that while like the 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:45.080 odds of that happening are slim, that's the kind of 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.680 thing that that happens to me so frequently. I would 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:51.480 have just been like, yeah, that's about right. I've been like, yeah, 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:55.760 that's perfect. I could not believe it. And the weird 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:58.600 so that's already weird. But this is another thing I've 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:03.640 never seen before. He managed to put one hook on 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:07.400 the trouble into his right forefinger and another hook on 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:11.360 the same trouble into his right thumb, so his hand 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:16.320 was like pinned together in this weird, creepy, claw like maneuver. 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:21.440 I've never seen anything like it. And of course he 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.280 let out another string of very well earned expletives, and 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.280 then he turned to me and said, I really liked 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.440 your hook removal technique for about a half a second, 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:33.200 but I'm not so sure about it now, which was fair. Yeah, 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.480 this technique, which I will explain in detail later in 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.080 the show, it works great for removing single hooks. I've 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.200 I have an excellent track record with one hook, but 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:45.320 when you have two barbed hook from the same trouble 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:48.960 buried in two different fingers on the same hand, that 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.680 that removal job is just above my pay right, I 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.080 don't know how to do that. So sadly we had 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:56.920 to pull the plug on the fishing trip. After one fish, 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:58.880 get back to the trailer, take Jim to the e 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:01.760 r good news. We're all laughing about it by the 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:04.320 time we hit the ramp, and my uncle's were even 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:06.640 willing to let me take a few photos and a 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.599 selfie of the incident, which you can see on my instagram. 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.280 If you were into that kind of thing and you're 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.760 not squeamish about blood, yeah, we'll throw it up. I'll 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:15.360 throw it up in my story this week too. We 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:17.600 love a good we love a good blood shot. But 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:20.439 that look, man, that's a pickle. Okay, I'm thinking as 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:23.439 you're telling the story, I'm thinking on that because I'm 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:26.760 I'm always trying to avoid leaving the water if possible, 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:30.280 Like that's the last thing you want to do, right, um, don't. 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:31.959 It's like, it's hard to say how I would have 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:34.440 handled that without being there and seeing it. But I 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:37.160 don't know. Maybe I might have made your uncle suffer 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:41.440 through like one line pole and one push through. Maybe 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:44.520 I don't know, like cut cut off the bend of 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:46.600 of of one of the points, you know what I mean, 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:49.800 because separate it. I don't know. It's it's hard to say. 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:52.680 It's a tough one. It's a dealy of a pickle. Um. 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:54.640 I don't know what I would have done, just curious 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.440 what kind of lure was it? Well, first, you were 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:02.040 a sadist for just even saying that. But to answer 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:04.840 your your question, Hannibal Lecter, it was a full sized 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:09.760 magic man lipless crank bait from thirteen Fishing. I'm asking 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:11.880 because there's a difference between trying to do it with 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:14.880 little trebles on a little something versus like trebles on 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:18.080 a muskie lore. So it was. It was not a 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:22.280 muskie plug, it was. It was a bass sized, yeah, 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:26.120 lipless crank bait and a magic man from thirteen Fishing, 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:29.240 to be specific. And there are three things that I 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.720 can absolutely attest to about that bait. Number one, bass 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.560 do eat it, seen it happen. Number two, the hooks 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:41.960 are extremely sharp. Number three the barbs hold very well. 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.439 So we're proud to have thirteen Phishing sponsor the show, 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:50.280 though for legal reasons, I am compelled to tell you 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:53.040 that they absolutely do not condone any d i y 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:56.359 medical advice we may provide, and cannot be held accountable 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.280 for any injuries you sustain as a result of listening 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:02.080 to the show. Yes, don't listen to us or me. 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:05.520 At least Miles is smarter. But you should always listen 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:09.000 to your guide, which is a painful reminder. We're gonna 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:12.200 drive home with our Smooth Move segment this week. Joining 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:16.400 us again are good buddy from the North Canada, Jay Siemens. 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:25.520 Why why did you hanging out with us today? For 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:30.720 adult story of time? We got Jay Siemens. Jay's a photographer, cinematographer, 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:33.880 filmmaker and former fishing guide at Wallaston Lake Lodge, which, 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:38.240 if you don't know, is like Valhalla for big pike fishing. Jay, 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:40.280 thanks for coming and making some time. Dude. What's good? 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:43.280 How are you? We're good? Good? Uh? We still ice 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.720 up here. You guys down south are all in the boater, eddie, 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:48.560 and we can still that's terrible. I'm wearing short span 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:53.280 and jersey. It's yeah. We got open water here now 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:55.959 there's not much ice left. Uh. And I don't know. 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:57.440 I don't know that a lot of people know you're 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:59.560 responsible with this, but you made a film a few 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:03.400 years go called Common Thread that I really enjoyed, and 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:05.679 I'm just curious about, like, where did that project come from? 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.520 How did that all come together well, as you mentioned, 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:11.160 I guided at Walston for for seven years, and the 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:15.200 owner there had had said, let's do a fly fishing film. 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.840 We never really had an idea, but then then eventually 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.920 there's this this woman named Mary, and Mary I used 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.040 to come up to the lodge with her husband, and 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:26.600 husband passed away, and the question was is Mary gonna 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:28.400 keep coming to the lodge? What's what's going to happen? 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:30.800 And She's like, you know what, I'm gonna keep coming 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:32.559 up without without the guys, I'm gonna come up and 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:34.640 I'm gonna learn how to fly fish. So this seven 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:38.480 year old widow learned how to fly fish, and uh, 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:40.959 kind of just the film tells the story of what 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:44.120 fly fishing means to her family and her brother and 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:45.679 kind of how it was just a common thread that 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:49.200 bound them all together. So I felt very connected because 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:51.200 I had actually guided them years previously, and then I 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:52.720 got to come back and film and so it's like 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:55.440 kind of the best of both worlds there. It came 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:57.840 together really well, was it was. It was a great storyline, 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:00.760 great narrative, and and also just fun to watch with 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.959 the big pike and the fishing as as heartwarming as 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:06.360 that is, we actually brought you here to do the opposite, right. 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:09.199 That film was all about giving giving credit to someone 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:11.720 who you guided and and and making them the center 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.600 of a positive story. But you know this is smooth moves, 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.640 So we brought you here to tell a different kind 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:19.079 of story about your days of guiding. So we're curious, 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.480 what do you got for us? Man? Oh Man, I 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:23.960 have like way too many that kind of focus on 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:26.920 focus on me making really dumb moves. And maybe we'll 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:30.760 save this for a different time. But one one story 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.240 that sticks out of my mind where we're at this 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:38.600 remote flying pike lake and we were just crushing the pike. 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:40.000 We pulled into this one cove and I think we've 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:44.840 probably got this one cove and and this this guest 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:47.199 it's like, hey man, can I hook the fish? And 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:49.360 it's like a pretty strict policy. It's like the guy 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:53.360 touches the fish, No, you're not touching the fish. And 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:56.040 and this guy just kept hammering me. He's like, Jay, please, 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.720 just I'm fine, Like they're catching doubleheaders and he thought 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:01.120 he was doing me a favor and I keep telling 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:04.679 him no, and finally like okay, okay, unhooked the fish. 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:07.800 The first fish he touches does a thrash, and he's 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.319 got trouble hooks in his hand, and I'm just like, 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:14.320 you know, and there I am eighteen years old and 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.240 I'm trying to calm down this forty five year old 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:19.520 man and it's just like just a disaster. So I mean, 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:21.600 you grab, you grab the hook and luckily it's it's 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:24.480 barblous hooks up at Walston and you know the key 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.720 is to count to three, but you pull on the 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:29.320 count too, so he's not expecting it and he got 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:31.360 the hook out. But that was a pretty good lesson, 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:32.880 a pretty good lesson for him that I think he 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:36.240 learned pretty quickly. The guide knows best, you know, even 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:38.800 even if he is half your age. Well what about 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:41.000 for you? I mean, he got a lesson there, but 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.280 did you, as an eighteen year old, did you decide? 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:45.640 Then they're like, I'm never letting client touch a fish 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:49.960 ever again. It's tough because you tell, you tell yourself 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:51.680 that's never gonna happen again, and then you let someone 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:55.240 do it and they lose your trust instantly when they, 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:57.600 you know, drop a fish or get hooked or whatever 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:00.400 that might be. But yeah, pipe pip, you're kind of squirrely. 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:02.480 It's and it's not the big ones, it's the small 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:05.080 ones that you have to watch out for. It are like, yeah, 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:07.640 they're the ones that just start snaking in your hands. 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:11.000 And my last follow up question is is how did 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:13.920 how did that particular client respond to the hook removal. 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.320 Was it like a full on fall apart meltdown or 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:18.760 did he did he take it pretty solid? He was 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:20.840 good about it. He he went straight back to fishing. 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:23.400 But I had another guest who put a hook into 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:25.920 his buddy's head, into the back of the head when 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.520 we were pike fishing. And this was one of my 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:31.760 least favorite guests and probably seven years of guiding, and 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:33.520 he just so happened to be the guy that hooked 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:35.720 the other guy in the head. And it was funny 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:39.160 because the guy that put the hook that snagged his 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:41.280 friend in the head, he was the one that freaked 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:42.720 out more than actually the guy that got hooked. The 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:44.440 guy that got hooked was calm about it, just holding 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:46.240 his head, and the guy that hooked him was just 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:49.320 losing his mind. And the hook went through his hat 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:52.680 into the back of his head. And the same situation 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:54.240 had to had to rip it out of his head. 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:56.400 But yeah, you gotta be prepared for those things. And 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:59.280 did the guy apologize after you told him not to 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:01.400 unhook the face? Did he say like, I'm sorry I 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:04.080 did that. I should have listened to you. Yeah, but 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:06.480 I think the thing is like it it ended. It 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:08.360 ended fine. We pulled the hook out. I think if 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:10.280 we were calling for an emergency plane to come in 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.120 and pull us out, it might be a different situation. 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:14.360 But for him, it was just like, I'm gonna go 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.480 back to fishing, and then you know, it is what 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:21.400 it is. So I have never had to go to 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:23.960 the hospital to get a hook removed, but probably the 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:27.760 closest call I ever had, I took a clouser to 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:31.000 the face years ago and the hook it hit me 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:33.920 just right in The hook actually ended up up under 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:39.640 my son, like like it was buried right below my 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:43.840 eye right. And what made this one also particularly memorable. 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:47.920 While I will not name names, just suffice it to say, 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:52.560 a very well known fly caster put it there, and 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:56.920 I felt way worse for him than myself, Like we 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:00.960 got that hook out, no problem, right, but it totally 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:03.600 ruined the rest of the float for him, and I 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.240 had to keep pleading with him the entire it happened 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:09.439 like first mile of a ten mile float, right, and 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:11.680 I just had to keep pleading with him, like, dude, 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.119 please snap out of it, like this was not that 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:18.159 big a deal. This ship happens, it's it's okay, but 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:20.800 it like ruined him for the rest of the day. 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:23.520 And we can't say this person's name for a lot 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:25.800 of reasons, but I am lucky enough to know who 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:27.760 it is, and I can. I can understand why it 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:30.199 was in his head because it's sort of like his 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:36.159 whole identity is being really good casting. I will just 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:38.840 say this, we were forced by water conditions to use 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:42.000 really heavy sink tips that day, which he doesn't do, 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.199 like he preferred to never do that, so that was 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:46.400 also part of it. They're they're all kinds of good reasons, 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:48.920 but still like I understand why he was uncomfortable. Yes, 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:51.600 that by for the record, that that the whole thing 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.199 is my nightmare. And that is why I wear the 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:58.560 wraparound I shield like tight to my face sunglasses all 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.520 the time, Like I can. I can handle a scar 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:06.200 or two, I can handle some blood. I cannot regrow 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.840 an eyeball. Yeah, I prefer to have both of those. 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:12.280 Those are those are kind of important and and hopefully 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:15.159 neither of us will pick up any news cars or 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:18.439 puncture a cornea in the heat of this week's battle 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:21.560 of wits, but you never know, it's time for fish news. 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:29.760 Fish news. That escalated quickly, so I don't really have 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:32.439 much housekeeping this week, but I would just like to 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:36.000 say thank you to everyone that wrote in to support 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:40.960 my claim that dolphins are actually shitty animals. Yeah, okay, okay, 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:46.760 you said dolphins was like hating puppies. Well, I think 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:50.040 a lot of people hate puppies, my friend, I learned. 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.520 I actually I found this whole exercise very instructive and 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:55.439 and the main thing I learned is that like at 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:58.280 least twenty percent of our audience is made up of sadists. 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:03.720 So I'm afraid of most of you, and go on 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:06.800 with your your puppy and dolphin killing whatever. Yeah, I mean, 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:10.240 the masses have spoken though, and dolphins are evil. We do. 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:12.199 We even got an email with a subject line not 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:15.840 puppies that like, I don't. I don't know, dude, Do 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:19.360 I smell a dolphins bent shirt down the road? Perhaps 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:23.119 I do? I will not sign off on that, but 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:27.440 I'll sign off on it twice. Um. Also, thanks to everyone, 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:30.960 and I do mean everyone on planet Earth, I think 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:33.520 for sending me the tuggy sandbox that was turned into 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:36.000 a go cart, not just do you. I I got 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:40.399 that one about eighties seven thousand times. It's like that 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:43.879 was neat and I appreciate you, PLI you you know, 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:47.639 so got it message received anyway, that's it. That's all. 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:49.399 That's all I got. So let's we'll get news he here. 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:51.919 Remember this is a competition, Miles and I do not 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:54.399 know what stories the other guy is bringing to the table. 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:56.760 And at the end, our audio engineer, Phil will declare 0:19:56.760 --> 0:20:00.320 a winner. And can I just say, Phil's judgment is 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:03.840 my favorite part of my own entire show, Like it 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:07.200 might it might be the best part of this show. 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:10.440 And it's it's getting out of the most professional part 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:13.359 of the show. It's getting out of control, but in 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:16.480 like the best possible way. And every week, every week, 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:17.960 Whiles and I get to listen to the show before 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:20.399 it gets posted, and I anticipate Phil's bit like a 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:22.760 child like hovering at the top of the staircase on 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:27.560 Christmas morning, what's at the bottom of the staircase this week, 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:30.520 I don't. Yeah, it's just I love it so much. Anyway, 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:33.880 it is your leadoff this week for this it is 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:38.199 so hit me, all right, This first one is is 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:42.800 really it's a core story for me. And I'll just 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:46.439 started off by saying, I think public access to phishing 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:50.920 spots is essential to American fishing. I think it is 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:54.320 at the core of American fishing. Have to agree and 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:58.520