Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome to a Bobycast special about Brian Wilson. So
Speaker 1: either you're bored and you're looking for any new content
Speaker 1: this weekend, or you're a music nerd like Eddie and
Speaker 1: myself and you want to hear us talk about Brian
Speaker 1: Wilson for a little bit. Brian Wilson is was the
Speaker 1: lead singer the creator of the Beach Boys, but not
Speaker 1: always the lead singer because he got out for a while. Correct,
Speaker 1: Brian Wilson died a couple things, and I want to
Speaker 1: do to put into context how great Brian Wilson was
Speaker 1: that writing and arranging. Here is Brian Wilson singing. Can
Speaker 1: we play this Mike or we go to jail? It's
Speaker 1: not an official recording.
Speaker 2: Let it related.
Speaker 1: Well we have some isolated Yeah, this is nice of vocals.
Speaker 2: That's not the song.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if it's not, let it rip, I say just
Speaker 1: give it. Yeah, go on two, three, four.
Speaker 3: Safing for and then.
Speaker 1: Break wa going across. It's so sad to watch a
Speaker 1: sweet thing.
Speaker 3: Who can man.
Speaker 1: Knows me?
Speaker 3: So wait too?
Speaker 1: They played that at the funeral. I think I.
Speaker 2: Just just cried. I mean, yeah, it's so sad.
Speaker 1: I didn't know him.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's artists. It's it's tough with artists
Speaker 2: because like, yes, we didn't know him, but gosh, we
Speaker 2: feel like we knew a lot about it because we
Speaker 2: listened to a lot of that music.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: And then I watched the television movie back in the
Speaker 1: day too, the movie movie, Yeah, they made for television
Speaker 1: movie is it the Love?
Speaker 2: What was the name of that movie?
Speaker 1: It starts out and then like is the guy drowns?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: So as a kid, I was like, I'm interested. But
Speaker 1: then as a kid it was full house.
Speaker 2: That's all right, Which he wasn't on Full House, Brian, No.
Speaker 1: But the Beach Boys were. And that's where I learned
Speaker 1: about the Beach Boys. But Brian Wilson, the founder of
Speaker 1: the Beach Boys, died. He was eighty two years old.
Speaker 1: They announced his death on Wednesday of last week. He
Speaker 1: also was the dad too.
Speaker 2: Rebel Carne Wilson No Rebel Wilson's Australia. I knew I
Speaker 2: was off on that Laney Laney Wilson, Wilson, Carnie Wilson,
Speaker 2: who was in Wilson Phillips.
Speaker 1: Yes, someday somebody's gonna make you want to turn around
Speaker 1: and say bye. So we are stepping away from our
Speaker 1: usual format to honor one of the greatest musical minds
Speaker 1: of the last century. What's your favorite Beach Boy song?
Speaker 2: God only knows, go. God only knows what I'd be
Speaker 2: with that. God, Yeah, it's awesome what i'd be? I
Speaker 2: mean it, I don't know, dude. Beach Boys to me
Speaker 2: were such a just like the sound was so iconic.
Speaker 2: It was like nothing else I know there was, like
Speaker 2: Jane and Dean. I'd say they were the first vibe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I say they were the first to beach like, Hey,
Speaker 1: this artist is a vibe. I think the Beach Boys
Speaker 1: were the first vibe.
Speaker 2: They were definitely the first vibe and like in order
Speaker 2: to like. And it may be backwards to where, yes,
Speaker 2: we associated with California in summertime, because that's what the
Speaker 2: marketing was. But I think that sound just it made
Speaker 2: you think automatically of warm sun outside water, beach all that,
Speaker 2: just by the sound that we heard right there in
Speaker 2: those isolated vocals.
Speaker 1: Our wedding song, if our first dance was a Beach
Speaker 1: Boys song, Yeah, it was, wasn't it. It was Brian
Speaker 1: Wilson singing if tomorrows of it. I do You Forever.
Speaker 1: Not to be confused, it was sang in Full House
Speaker 1: by Jesse and the Rippers. Not to be confused, but
Speaker 1: and although the Beach Boys weren't on Full House, that
Speaker 1: was Jesse and the Rippers big song. And that was
Speaker 1: a Brian Wilson song forever. Yeah, he did sing that song.
Speaker 1: That was the first song we danced too. But Brian
Speaker 1: Wilson was the heart that sould, the brain behind the
Speaker 1: Beach Boys. Died eighty two years old. What I learned
Speaker 1: too from the documentary that I watched on the Wrecking Crew.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because.
Speaker 1: They played They played on a bunch of the Beach
Speaker 1: Boys stuff.
Speaker 2: Which pissed a lot of the Beach Boys off.
Speaker 1: Well, because they would make the records while the Beach
Speaker 1: Boys were touring. Brian Wilson wouldn't tour, correct, He would
Speaker 1: stay back and make the records with the Wrecking Crew,
Speaker 1: and the band would go out and make the money.
Speaker 1: But Brian Wilson would have everything. He just kind of
Speaker 1: set and have all the music and the guys will
Speaker 1: come in and sing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brian Wilson'd be like, Hey, come to the studio,
Speaker 2: We're ready. To record, and they show up and the
Speaker 2: album's done. Other than the vocals that he wanted Mike
Speaker 2: Love and all those other guys to sing, They're like, what, like,
Speaker 2: you did everything already.
Speaker 1: So his life, we're gonna go to the little bit
Speaker 1: of it. His real name is Brian Wilson. That doesn't
Speaker 1: happen a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brian Wilson.
Speaker 1: Do you know his middle name for one hundred.
Speaker 2: Bucks, Reginald.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has nothing to do with anything Douglas Douglas.
Speaker 2: Gosh, what if I would have gotten that though.
Speaker 1: Brian Douglas Wilson born nineteen forty two in Hawthorne, California,
Speaker 1: the oldest of three brothers. I bet you can name.
Speaker 2: The brothers Dennis and Brian Dennis and it is Carl
Speaker 2: Carl Wilson. And why do you know the other two brothers, Well,
Speaker 2: they were all part of the band. That's it.
Speaker 1: They'd later would join him, the Beach Boys.
Speaker 2: Dennis was the only actual surfer of the band, and
Speaker 2: he died, but he was the only one that actually
Speaker 2: surfed out of everyone in that band.
Speaker 1: By age two, Brian Wilson's hearing in one ear was
Speaker 1: severely damaged. By age seven, he was teaching his brothers
Speaker 1: how to harmonize. It only had one good ear. Reminds
Speaker 1: me a lot of myself with one good eye. That's right,
Speaker 1: And look what I've been able to do. What did
Speaker 1: you do? Some would call me the Brian Wilson of
Speaker 1: visual arts podcasting. Yes, he studied vocal arrangements obsessively. He
Speaker 1: would take the Four Freshmen, which was a vocal group,
Speaker 1: and break those records down and reverse engineer what he
Speaker 1: was hearing and learned how to layer vocals. They credit
Speaker 1: a lot of him listening to the Four Freshmen. His
Speaker 1: father was abusive physically and emotionally. His father was also
Speaker 1: a frustrated musician himself, so they think a lot of
Speaker 1: Brian Wilson trying to be this perfect artist musician was
Speaker 1: to please his dad. He pushed Brian really hard, at
Speaker 1: times too hard. Ironically, the pressure may have actually helped
Speaker 1: forge really one of the music's geniuses.
Speaker 2: I mean, he pushed the band right. But think Brian
Speaker 2: was the one that had a lot of the got
Speaker 2: the talent already, so I think his dad put it
Speaker 2: all on him.
Speaker 1: But oldest too and the oldest Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: think that's a big part of it as well. If
Speaker 1: you're the oldest, you go first. You have to be
Speaker 1: the leader.
Speaker 2: Because I've even heard the cousin, which I think it's Mike.
Speaker 2: Mike is the cousin.
Speaker 1: Yea.
Speaker 2: If Mike Love was the cousin, he would in interviews
Speaker 2: he would say like we'd go over and we'd be playing,
Speaker 2: and Dad would just rip on all of us, and
Speaker 2: I'd be like, this isn't even my family, Like why
Speaker 2: is he yelling at me? Like listen, you would just
Speaker 2: go home.
Speaker 1: I think of Mike Love is the face a lot
Speaker 1: of times.
Speaker 2: He is because the Beach Boys now he is.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But when I think of the Beach Boys, if
Speaker 1: I see them singing, it's always Mike Love Yeah in
Speaker 1: my head. Because for a long time Brian Wilson checked
Speaker 1: out too, like he wasn't and he just kept it going.
Speaker 2: But and I may be wrong on this, but even
Speaker 2: at the beginning when when Brian did tour, he wasn't
Speaker 2: the on tour voice either. He played the bass and
Speaker 2: he would kind of sing background vocals. I think he
Speaker 2: took lead on a couple, but for the most part
Speaker 2: he was kind of a background guy too. It wrote
Speaker 2: all the songs recorded all the songs, but on stage
Speaker 2: background kind of guy.
Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty one, Brian formed the Beach Boys with
Speaker 1: his brothers Karl and Dennis, their cousin Mike Love, and
Speaker 1: one non family member. It's almost like palme Ley where
Speaker 1: it's all like brothers and cousins, and they got like
Speaker 1: one buddy, what is the buddy's name? I know the
Speaker 1: buddies name because I did the research. You know you
Speaker 1: know it too, but can you recall it right now?
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 1: Al Jardine, Al Jardine. Yes, And it started, I will say,
Speaker 1: as a bit of a gimmick because they were doing
Speaker 1: anything they could do to separate themselves to get noticed.
Speaker 1: So the surf rock, as great as it was and
Speaker 1: as fundamental as what they did, especially when pet sounds,
Speaker 1: won't get to that to minute as what it did
Speaker 1: for rock and roll, because they were America's first rock group. Yes,
Speaker 1: the surf thing was a gimmick and they were like,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll get noticed if we do this, because all
Speaker 1: the songs were about girls and cars and waves and
Speaker 1: you know, we'll have fun, fun, fun, and Daddy takes
Speaker 1: a t bird away. So they had all these really
Speaker 1: cool vocal arrangements, and but the genius was and how
Speaker 1: the songs were being sang. The pandering was what the
Speaker 1: songs were about, the lifestyle, Like, let's just create something
Speaker 1: that people are just gonna love it. What were the
Speaker 1: words we're singing really don't matter as much, But what
Speaker 1: we're doing is the real genius of it.
Speaker 2: Because like it can't you can't forget. At that time,
Speaker 2: the Beatles were big too, so like it was this
Speaker 2: war of American music versus British music and the British invasion,
Speaker 2: not just the Beatles, and so the Beach Boys were
Speaker 2: like the front fighters of that American music war, like
Speaker 2: we're gonna represent American music. And what's more better than
Speaker 2: in American music than like the beach in muscle cars
Speaker 2: and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Most stream songs. I just pulled it up Number one,
Speaker 1: Beach Boys. Wouldn't it be nice if we were older?
Speaker 1: That's very much. Hey we're young beach surfy song, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: then I wouldn't have to.
Speaker 2: Or maybe I just later though that's it is a
Speaker 2: little later then. So like so like early Beach Boys
Speaker 2: would be like surf and USA for sure in USA, yeah, surfing,
Speaker 2: Safari good vibrations later really, yeah, that's all. That's all
Speaker 2: pet sounds.
Speaker 1: I feel like that the vibration is the beach No,
Speaker 1: my mind, I'm not right. I just I think about
Speaker 1: that California Girls earlier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's earlier. Yes, California Dreaming, that's Mama's in the
Speaker 2: pop business. Okay, how about Bob's that's early Beach Boys. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh so the surf thing was mostly a gimmick, but
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean the music was made as a gimmick
Speaker 1: because again they did all this multi layer, a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff that hadn't been done in music. They were
Speaker 1: a big part of the wall of sound, which.
Speaker 2: Which is a studio, a studio recording technique that the.
Speaker 1: US.
Speaker 2: Oh what did Charles Manson use that?
Speaker 1: No? No, no, Manson is connected though later.
Speaker 2: But what murderer, Oh specter, Phil Spector.
Speaker 1: Correct, Yes, he murdered right officially, Mike, I think he's
Speaker 1: in jail. Let me see. I think he got convicted.
Speaker 1: I think so too, so I could say the murder.
Speaker 2: Don't check that.
Speaker 1: So he was writing, producing, arranging, even singing lead and
Speaker 1: a lot of the early stuff he was again he
Speaker 1: was the producer, yeah, and the lead singer at a
Speaker 1: time where that didn't happen as much because everybody was
Speaker 1: very specific about their skills. It wasn't like now where
Speaker 1: you can learn a little bit everything because technology allowed it.
Speaker 2: And what was cool too, is like he had all
Speaker 2: these ideas, but in order for the record label to
Speaker 2: just let go and be like, hey man, just do
Speaker 2: your thing. I know it's expensive to get a full
Speaker 2: orchestra like you want, but you know, it took him
Speaker 2: a while, but eventually the label is just like.
Speaker 1: You made us money, so go make us more money.
Speaker 1: And here's money to make us more money. And he
Speaker 1: would fill in.
Speaker 2: He would fill the studio with a bunch of string
Speaker 2: players and like a full orchestra.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was convicted second degree murder and he died
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. Hey Matter murderer. Early success surf
Speaker 1: and ussay surf in USA. It's hard when I got
Speaker 1: all these melodies. Everybody got surfing surfing us. I get
Speaker 1: around round and round, right, I get around. Help me,
Speaker 1: Rond to.
Speaker 2: Help help me, Ronda, help me, Ronda, get her out
Speaker 2: of my heart.
Speaker 1: They were a cultural force because they were the biggest
Speaker 1: thing at the time. So the beach thing was even
Speaker 1: big and rural parts of America where there were no beaches.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's crazy, it's crazy to think about that.
Speaker 1: I think Brian Wilson started to become a bit irritated
Speaker 1: at the success they had, not because they were successful,
Speaker 1: but because they got so successful being gimmicky. And that's
Speaker 1: where Pet Sounds comes in. And so Pet Sounds.
Speaker 2: He was already off the road producing.
Speaker 1: And wanted to be taken way more seriously than just
Speaker 1: the Beatles sound.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know that the road too. He also
Speaker 2: he always said that the Road two made him anxious
Speaker 2: and he didn't like that. He didn't like playing in
Speaker 2: front of all those people. He didn't like doing all
Speaker 2: that stuff. So, which you think about, like what artists
Speaker 2: would say, you know what, I'm going to stay back,
Speaker 2: you guys go tour music and I'll write like that's
Speaker 2: just unheard of.
Speaker 1: Somebody confident, crazy and DGAF.
Speaker 2: I think that's all him to.
Speaker 1: A t so and so confident that if it doesn't work,
Speaker 1: it's not my fault. It doesn't work, it's awesome. Everybody
Speaker 1: else just doesn't get it. Yeah, nineteen sixty six Pet
Speaker 1: Sounds comes out, which, by the way, was not a
Speaker 1: super successful album. It was not when it came out.
Speaker 1: So Pet Sounds it was really what they call his
Speaker 1: first masterpiece. Looking at multiple articles where they're talking about
Speaker 1: critics not just fake because people were gobbling up the records,
Speaker 1: but there was a lot of critical acclaim Pet Sounds was,
Speaker 1: and a lot of times what's critically acclaimed is not
Speaker 1: consumed majorly by the public. Pet Sounds, though, was critically acclaimed,
Speaker 1: America did not rush to it, but they really say
Speaker 1: And Paul McCartney talked about how Pet Sounds directly inspired
Speaker 1: Sergeant Pepper Wow harmonies. I think Pet Sounds to me
Speaker 1: was using things that weren't real instruments, because they did
Speaker 1: that a lot in this record a theorem and they
Speaker 1: did bicycle bells, Yeah, they did recordings of dog. Yes,
Speaker 1: they did opening cans, which is like one third of
Speaker 1: country songs.
Speaker 2: Now that's fine. They took it from Brian Wilson.
Speaker 1: Remember he only had one ear that worked, like even
Speaker 1: as an adult, he only had one good ear. So
Speaker 1: he was inventing ways or inventing things to put on
Speaker 1: and to make music with, like instruments that weren't even
Speaker 1: real instruments, and so I think he saw it as
Speaker 1: an art project. He was only twenty three years old
Speaker 1: when this happened to It's crazy, so still a kid.
Speaker 2: He was twenty three when what Pets Sounds him. Wow,
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that.
Speaker 1: She was a kid at only twenty three years old.
Speaker 1: He was reshaping music. But he did have breakdowns, mental
Speaker 1: breakdowns absolutely after Pet Sounds. He said he was on
Speaker 1: a lot of drugs during Pet Sounds, too, Smile happened
Speaker 1: and that very you say drugs, perfect timing, because that
Speaker 1: was like the psychedelic album that didn't come out.
Speaker 2: Till later, till way later. Yes, and then he toured Smile,
Speaker 2: which was the first time I know that, which is
Speaker 2: the first time he'd actually played live again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Smile is listed as an ambitious psychedelic album that
Speaker 1: never saw the light of the day in the sixties.
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Speaker 1: Brian's mental health was unraveling at the time. Drugs, paranora
Speaker 1: or excuse me, paranoia, auditory hallucinations also like things he
Speaker 1: was hearing, hallucinating things he was hearing, and I wonder
Speaker 1: if it was a combination of drugs and being off
Speaker 1: like one of his ears didn't work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and whatever, you know, mental disorders. He was high
Speaker 2: as mental health fighting you know all that, which I'm
Speaker 2: sure the drugs didn't help.
Speaker 1: Here a song, I don't like the drugs, but the
Speaker 1: drugs like me, don't like the drugs drugs.
Speaker 2: No, no, who sings that sounds like whoever sings the
Speaker 2: roof the roof? It sounds like they would sing that
Speaker 2: so long. Marilyn Manson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh dang, I don't like the drugs, but the
Speaker 1: drugs like me.
Speaker 2: Did you ever see the movie Love, Love, and Mercy?
Speaker 2: Is that it might with about what as Brian Wilson,
Speaker 2: and it's it's played by who played Charles in Charge,
Speaker 2: Scott Bao. Scott Bayo can't be a Scoto Charles. I'm
Speaker 2: thinking of say anything John Cusack once he said, bo,
Speaker 2: I'm like, nah, it's way off. Good movie, but it
Speaker 2: all focuses on that period of where he was very sad, depressed,
Speaker 2: lots of drugs.
Speaker 1: The whole movie is based on that period, that period.
Speaker 2: Yes, so it's a very sad movie, very like man
Speaker 2: like you kind of get an idea of what he
Speaker 2: was going through. He wouldn't leave his.
Speaker 1: House, so he stayed in bed for months at a time.
Speaker 1: Bo that's the period, and the Beach Boys kept touring.
Speaker 1: It really wasn't a story. They didn't want it to
Speaker 1: be a story. But because he wasn't the front man
Speaker 1: early on he was, but because they had transitioned a
Speaker 1: bit and they sort of touring without him, nobody missed
Speaker 1: the keys player, the bass player. And that's what America
Speaker 1: would only really see him doing because they didn't see studios.
Speaker 1: There weren't documentaries of how to make a record, there
Speaker 1: weren't social media clips of the road. But yeah, he
Speaker 1: stayed in the bed.
Speaker 2: He stay in bed, And I wonder if he that
Speaker 2: made him sad that he wasn't getting the credit of
Speaker 2: making that music, which he was. He's made all that music,
Speaker 2: but he wasn't touring it, and no one knew who
Speaker 2: Brian Wilson was really.
Speaker 1: But I think he could have been the and would
Speaker 1: have been the lead if he'd wanted it. I think
Speaker 1: he just was this is us, this is just conjecture,
Speaker 1: sure point. I think he had mental illness. This is
Speaker 1: the time when mental illness wasn't known as well diagnosed
Speaker 1: if diagnosed diagnosed poorly. I think he had mental illness.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it too, probably stemmed from
Speaker 1: his dad being abusive towards him, and not just physically
Speaker 1: but emotionally. And because he could have been the front
Speaker 1: guy had he chosen to. He did change up the
Speaker 1: sound when he chose to. That's when they did pet
Speaker 1: sounds and they kind of got famous again because it
Speaker 1: was like Beach Boys, huge pet sounds, man smile. Didn't
Speaker 1: him come out?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 1: And they still kept creating music.
Speaker 2: Did Cocomo bring him back?
Speaker 1: He wasn't part of Cocomo really?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like.
Speaker 2: A it's just a Beach Boys thing without him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, although a jam jammed like that's the first like
Speaker 1: I knew of hearing it on the radio.
Speaker 2: I think Cocomo resurrected the Beach Boys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh so he stays in bed. In the eighties,
Speaker 1: he fell under the influence of a controversial therapist, Eugene Landy,
Speaker 1: who controlled nearly every part of his life, finances, music,
Speaker 1: even medication.
Speaker 2: That might be in the movie I remember correctly.
Speaker 1: Brian came back. He sued to free himself from Landy's
Speaker 1: grip and by the two thousands, he was touring again.
Speaker 1: He finally released Smiles, which was the lost album too
Speaker 1: critical acclaim and won a freaking Grammy Awesome in two
Speaker 1: thousand and four at time made in the sixties. In
Speaker 1: two thousand and four he puts it out It wins
Speaker 1: a Grammy. He began to speak more openly about his schizophrenia,
Speaker 1: his bipolar disorder, his trauma that obviously made those two
Speaker 1: mental illnesses even worse than they already were, And somehow
Speaker 1: dude did it. And like had he was known as
Speaker 1: being difficult to deal with, But I think he was
Speaker 1: just his communication style was different. I think he conjecture.
Speaker 1: I think he much like someone on the spectrum, has
Speaker 1: a different way to communicate. If it's real autistic. I
Speaker 1: think because he had all of these mental illnesses that
Speaker 1: he did not know, he had to create a different
Speaker 1: way to talk with people, or learn a way that
Speaker 1: people need to be talked to, and he never truly
Speaker 1: understood how to communicate effectively with the folks. And I
Speaker 1: think music was a part of his communication, which is
Speaker 1: crazy to think that that's like the way that you
Speaker 1: can communicate most with people is creating something for everybody.
Speaker 2: You gotta think for the band, for audio engineers, labels,
Speaker 2: all that stuff like had to be so difficult to
Speaker 2: just trust him and let him do what he did
Speaker 2: because I would see stuff and probably the same documentary
Speaker 2: you watched of where he would record stuff and then
Speaker 2: just trash it all like or not doing it, and.
Speaker 1: That's that's probably this guy's such a dick. But really
Speaker 1: he doesn't effectively know how to communicate. He was never
Speaker 1: taught it, and he's dealing with mental illness. He doesn't
Speaker 1: properly know how to communicate what he's feeling. So here's
Speaker 1: the communication, no more, next yes, And that easily can
Speaker 1: be looked upon as that is a bad person, that
Speaker 1: is an evil, mean person, when really it's the inability
Speaker 1: to communicate because there was never won the education of
Speaker 1: what he was dealing with mentally, so you couldn't work
Speaker 1: beyond that because you didn't understand that.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: I never thought about that.
Speaker 1: Artists for Paul McCarney to Billie Eilish to back to
Speaker 1: boniv have cited Brian Wilson has a direct influence. People
Speaker 1: still steal his harmonic blueprint, which is what we heard
Speaker 1: at the very beginning of the harmonies. Yeah, Brian gave
Speaker 1: people permission to almost didn't say no to anybody when
Speaker 1: it came to it, because it wasn't really intellectual property
Speaker 1: because you can't you don't really own the layering sound.
Speaker 1: It's like owning a chord. Sure, you don't own a g.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyone can use it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you would hear it and know that it
Speaker 1: was directly influenced from that. So a lot of the
Speaker 1: people would be like, hey, do you care We're going
Speaker 1: to do something that you've created and you've made famous.
Speaker 2: I think it was so cool when Paul McCartney eventually
Speaker 2: said all that stuff, because I know forever the Beatles
Speaker 2: would never admit that because they were two different They
Speaker 2: were doing two different things right, and they were both young,
Speaker 2: and they were both competitive and they were both trying
Speaker 2: to be the best in the world. But like, it's
Speaker 2: great when artists can look at another artist and be like, no, no,
Speaker 2: that's he really influenced us, even though we acted like
Speaker 2: we didn't really like each other at the time.
Speaker 1: That's an extremely confident artist that has success for the
Speaker 1: most Paul McCartney.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what's cool too about the Beatles and the
Speaker 2: Beach Boys is that those were two bands that didn't tour.
Speaker 2: So so I guess the Beach Boys did tour, but
Speaker 2: Brian Wilson did not tour, so he spent a lot
Speaker 2: of time writing and producing music and a lot of
Speaker 2: studio time. The Beatles, you got to think that the
Speaker 2: Beatles only toured for a few years and then never
Speaker 2: toured again, and all they did was produce studio albums.
Speaker 2: So bands that we still look at today as the
Speaker 2: ones that are the best bands of all times are
Speaker 2: the Beatles and the Beach Boys. They're always on that
Speaker 2: list because they did spend a lot of time in
Speaker 2: the studio.
Speaker 1: Perfect making records, making great records.
Speaker 2: Were a lot of other bands they like, they'd make
Speaker 2: a record, tour for two years, come back, make a right,
Speaker 2: that's a good point.
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about the Charles Manson connection just
Speaker 1: to the Beach Boys for a second, because that has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with Brian Wilson, nothing to do with
Speaker 1: but it does have to do with Dennis Wilson, his brother. Right, So,
Speaker 1: Dennis Wilson, who was a songwriter and band member, had
Speaker 1: a close relationship with Charles Manson, even helping Charles Manson
Speaker 1: in his music.
Speaker 2: Career before Charles did.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he wasn't killing people. Sorry, he wasn't influencing
Speaker 1: other people to kill people? Or had it started? Not
Speaker 1: the fault, Yes, this is pre He introduced him to
Speaker 1: record producer Terry Melcher. The association led to Charles Manson
Speaker 1: writing and even attempting to record a song called Cease
Speaker 1: to Exist with The Beach Boys. The song was later
Speaker 1: altered and released has Never Learned Not to Love, a
Speaker 1: B side to their Bluebirds Over the Mountain single. The
Speaker 1: Beach Boys. Brian Wilson has also spoken about the frightening
Speaker 1: impact that Charles Manson had on the group WHOA. Manson
Speaker 1: wrote a song called Cease to Exist and hope to
Speaker 1: record it with the Beach boy but they recorded it
Speaker 1: but not without him, So.
Speaker 2: The beat the band did record that song, that says.
Speaker 1: The Beach Boys eventually recorded and released Never Learn Not
Speaker 1: to Love, written by Charles Manson, an altered version of
Speaker 1: Cease to Exist as the B side. So is he
Speaker 1: credited as a writer on a Beach Boys song.
Speaker 2: That's bizarre. You have to go in and change that.
Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty eight, the Beach Boys recorded Manson's song
Speaker 1: cease to Exist rename Never Learned Not to Love, but
Speaker 1: Manson was uncredited. Afterward, he attempted to secure a record
Speaker 1: contract through Melcher, but was unsuccessful. Hey, justice for Charles
Speaker 1: Manson is a writer? Now's stop it as a writer?
Speaker 2: Nah man?
Speaker 1: The whole new song, dude is so if you kill somebody,
Speaker 1: you lose all rights.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you're not gonna get any money.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's about the money. But I'm saying, if
Speaker 1: he wrote the song and they took the song, he
Speaker 1: should be credited as a writer.
Speaker 2: Well, I would take it off the album because I mean,
Speaker 2: as a beach boy, you don't want that. I mean,
Speaker 2: you don't even want his name on your album. I
Speaker 2: can all that I can agree with.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, if the song exists and they altered
Speaker 1: a version of a song he wrote, Charles Manson should
Speaker 1: be credited as a writer on the song. Am I wrong?
Speaker 2: I mean technically no, morally questionable.
Speaker 1: Have there been other murderers though, that have put out songs?
Speaker 1: Great songs? What about all the Phil Spectr stuff? Now?
Speaker 1: He produced?
Speaker 2: But is he just uh, he's still down as a producer, right?
Speaker 1: Is he a songwriter too? I mean all the stuff
Speaker 1: he produced.
Speaker 2: He song, Hey man, we've never asked that question even
Speaker 2: thought about it.
Speaker 1: Can you commit a crime so heninous, you shouldn't get
Speaker 1: the credit for the artistic work you did before.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think the answer is if you wrote it before
Speaker 1: and you are credit, you should get the credit for it.
Speaker 1: His grandkids should get the money. And they had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the murders. True, How did they.
Speaker 2: Try to do justice with Charles Mann't know you turn
Speaker 2: it that way.
Speaker 1: He died though, right, Yeah, he's dead. Charles Manson. You
Speaker 1: know he never actually killed anybody.
Speaker 2: No, but he told them, yeah, convinced them where to go,
Speaker 2: what to do. That's a bad situation anyway. Brian Wilson,
Speaker 2: one of the best man, one of the greatest, to.
Speaker 1: Quote one of his own songs, Love and Mercy.
Speaker 2: That's it. That's the name of the movie Love.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's exactly it, Love and Mercy.
Speaker 2: Love and Mercy.
Speaker 1: That's what you need tonight. So favorite beach boy song.
Speaker 1: It's tough though, because what comes to mind is our
Speaker 1: wedding song.
Speaker 2: But also Jesse it don't worry about Jess and the
Speaker 2: Rippers still be choy song. Is it called forever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if tomorrow, Uh, probably, I mean God only knows.
Speaker 1: Without that song, without full House, it's probably God only knows.
Speaker 2: That wouldn't it be nice? Is awesome too? That's all?
Speaker 2: Like you so good?
Speaker 1: You could literally convince me you have like eight different
Speaker 1: songs to change my mind on. I mean good Vibrations,
Speaker 1: not that one though, No you really?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh dude, man, that song? That's that's five songs in one,
Speaker 2: like just so all the tempo changes and everything key changes.
Speaker 2: All that stuff's bohemian rahaps Yes, that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 2: So good.
Speaker 1: If I'm gonna rank them, I'm gonna go forever. God
Speaker 1: only knows. Wouldn't it be nice?
Speaker 2: Surfer girl lit?
Speaker 1: Nah, it's surfy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that, like the.
Speaker 1: Nostalgia of it, thinking about it being on black and
Speaker 1: white TV with their surfboards. Like I wasn't a live obviously,
Speaker 1: but so it's like nostalgia of nostalgia, like watch it
Speaker 1: that that's cool. The history I should say, that's cool.
Speaker 1: But if I'm gonna listen, like I still like those
Speaker 1: three songs that I mentioned, I still listen to them,
Speaker 1: but they popped up on a play list I wouldn't
Speaker 1: skip through.
Speaker 2: What about the one you've been singing all day? Which
Speaker 2: one sloop? John b Oh? I mean, dude, you've been
Speaker 2: singing that all day.
Speaker 1: Well, I did a bunch of research for this podcast,
Speaker 1: and that's the one. I was like, what song would
Speaker 1: we sing out of this? And that's probably the one.
Speaker 1: But that one's so cool because it's so different.
Speaker 2: I feel so broke up. I want to go.
Speaker 1: That's on pet Sounds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pet Sounds song.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So hoist up the John b cell. See how
Speaker 1: they made so I may get the word of is
Speaker 1: it in a captain a shore? Let me go home?
Speaker 1: Let me go home?
Speaker 2: I want to go home. Yeah, I feel so wake up.
Speaker 1: I want to go so good. Help me Ronda? Yeah,
Speaker 1: get her out.
Speaker 2: Of my heart?
Speaker 1: All right? That's it. Recipes to Brian Wilson. Beach Boys
Speaker 1: are awesome. They're way more than just the beach, and
Speaker 1: they just were. They just couldn't change their name because
Speaker 1: they're way more than the beach. And they grew out
Speaker 1: of boys just like Backstreet then on the Backstreet and
Speaker 1: they're men now.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: So yeah, thanks for listening. If you wanted to Beach Boys
Speaker 1: fans or people that aren't. They would like to hear this,
Speaker 1: You can send it, share this with them, shared on
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Speaker 1: love to see it and send you a thank you
Speaker 1: for sharing this. He's Brian Wilson.
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