1 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome to a Bobycast special about Brian Wilson. So 2 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: either you're bored and you're looking for any new content 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: this weekend, or you're a music nerd like Eddie and 4 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: myself and you want to hear us talk about Brian 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: Wilson for a little bit. Brian Wilson is was the 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: lead singer the creator of the Beach Boys, but not 7 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: always the lead singer because he got out for a while. Correct, 8 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: Brian Wilson died a couple things, and I want to 9 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: do to put into context how great Brian Wilson was 10 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: that writing and arranging. Here is Brian Wilson singing. Can 11 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: we play this Mike or we go to jail? It's 12 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: not an official recording. 13 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 2: Let it related. 14 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: Well we have some isolated Yeah, this is nice of vocals. 15 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 2: That's not the song. 16 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, if it's not, let it rip, I say just 17 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: give it. Yeah, go on two, three, four. 18 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 3: Safing for and then. 19 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: Break wa going across. It's so sad to watch a 20 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: sweet thing. 21 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,279 Speaker 3: Who can man. 22 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: Knows me? 23 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 3: So wait too? 24 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: They played that at the funeral. I think I. 25 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: Just just cried. I mean, yeah, it's so sad. 26 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: I didn't know him. 27 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's artists. It's it's tough with artists 28 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 2: because like, yes, we didn't know him, but gosh, we 29 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: feel like we knew a lot about it because we 30 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: listened to a lot of that music. 31 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 3: Well. 32 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: And then I watched the television movie back in the 33 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: day too, the movie movie, Yeah, they made for television 34 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: movie is it the Love? 35 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 2: What was the name of that movie? 36 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: It starts out and then like is the guy drowns? 37 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 38 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: So as a kid, I was like, I'm interested. But 39 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: then as a kid it was full house. 40 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 2: That's all right, Which he wasn't on Full House, Brian, No. 41 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: But the Beach Boys were. And that's where I learned 42 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: about the Beach Boys. But Brian Wilson, the founder of 43 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: the Beach Boys, died. He was eighty two years old. 44 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: They announced his death on Wednesday of last week. He 45 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: also was the dad too. 46 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 2: Rebel Carne Wilson No Rebel Wilson's Australia. I knew I 47 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: was off on that Laney Laney Wilson, Wilson, Carnie Wilson, 48 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 2: who was in Wilson Phillips. 49 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: Yes, someday somebody's gonna make you want to turn around 50 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: and say bye. So we are stepping away from our 51 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: usual format to honor one of the greatest musical minds 52 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,839 Speaker 1: of the last century. What's your favorite Beach Boy song? 53 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: God only knows, go. God only knows what I'd be 54 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 2: with that. God, Yeah, it's awesome what i'd be? I 55 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 2: mean it, I don't know, dude. Beach Boys to me 56 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 2: were such a just like the sound was so iconic. 57 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 2: It was like nothing else I know there was, like 58 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 2: Jane and Dean. I'd say they were the first vibe. 59 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, I say they were the first to beach like, Hey, 60 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: this artist is a vibe. I think the Beach Boys 61 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: were the first vibe. 62 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: They were definitely the first vibe and like in order 63 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: to like. And it may be backwards to where, yes, 64 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 2: we associated with California in summertime, because that's what the 65 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 2: marketing was. But I think that sound just it made 66 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 2: you think automatically of warm sun outside water, beach all that, 67 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: just by the sound that we heard right there in 68 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: those isolated vocals. 69 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: Our wedding song, if our first dance was a Beach 70 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: Boys song, Yeah, it was, wasn't it. It was Brian 71 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: Wilson singing if tomorrows of it. I do You Forever. 72 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: Not to be confused, it was sang in Full House 73 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: by Jesse and the Rippers. Not to be confused, but 74 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: and although the Beach Boys weren't on Full House, that 75 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: was Jesse and the Rippers big song. And that was 76 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: a Brian Wilson song forever. Yeah, he did sing that song. 77 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: That was the first song we danced too. But Brian 78 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: Wilson was the heart that sould, the brain behind the 79 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: Beach Boys. Died eighty two years old. What I learned 80 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: too from the documentary that I watched on the Wrecking Crew. 81 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because. 82 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: They played They played on a bunch of the Beach 83 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: Boys stuff. 84 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 2: Which pissed a lot of the Beach Boys off. 85 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: Well, because they would make the records while the Beach 86 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: Boys were touring. Brian Wilson wouldn't tour, correct, He would 87 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: stay back and make the records with the Wrecking Crew, 88 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: and the band would go out and make the money. 89 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: But Brian Wilson would have everything. He just kind of 90 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: set and have all the music and the guys will 91 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: come in and sing. 92 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Brian Wilson'd be like, Hey, come to the studio, 93 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 2: We're ready. To record, and they show up and the 94 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 2: album's done. Other than the vocals that he wanted Mike 95 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 2: Love and all those other guys to sing, They're like, what, like, 96 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: you did everything already. 97 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: So his life, we're gonna go to the little bit 98 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: of it. His real name is Brian Wilson. That doesn't 99 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: happen a lot. 100 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, Brian Wilson. 101 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: Do you know his middle name for one hundred. 102 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 2: Bucks, Reginald. 103 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it has nothing to do with anything Douglas Douglas. 104 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: Gosh, what if I would have gotten that though. 105 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: Brian Douglas Wilson born nineteen forty two in Hawthorne, California, 106 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: the oldest of three brothers. I bet you can name. 107 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: The brothers Dennis and Brian Dennis and it is Carl 108 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 2: Carl Wilson. And why do you know the other two brothers, Well, 109 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: they were all part of the band. That's it. 110 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: They'd later would join him, the Beach Boys. 111 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: Dennis was the only actual surfer of the band, and 112 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,119 Speaker 2: he died, but he was the only one that actually 113 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: surfed out of everyone in that band. 114 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: By age two, Brian Wilson's hearing in one ear was 115 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: severely damaged. By age seven, he was teaching his brothers 116 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: how to harmonize. It only had one good ear. Reminds 117 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: me a lot of myself with one good eye. That's right, 118 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: And look what I've been able to do. What did 119 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: you do? Some would call me the Brian Wilson of 120 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: visual arts podcasting. Yes, he studied vocal arrangements obsessively. He 121 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: would take the Four Freshmen, which was a vocal group, 122 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: and break those records down and reverse engineer what he 123 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: was hearing and learned how to layer vocals. They credit 124 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: a lot of him listening to the Four Freshmen. His 125 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: father was abusive physically and emotionally. His father was also 126 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: a frustrated musician himself, so they think a lot of 127 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: Brian Wilson trying to be this perfect artist musician was 128 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: to please his dad. He pushed Brian really hard, at 129 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: times too hard. Ironically, the pressure may have actually helped 130 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: forge really one of the music's geniuses. 131 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 2: I mean, he pushed the band right. But think Brian 132 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 2: was the one that had a lot of the got 133 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: the talent already, so I think his dad put it 134 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 2: all on him. 135 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: But oldest too and the oldest Yeah, I mean I 136 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: think that's a big part of it as well. If 137 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: you're the oldest, you go first. You have to be 138 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: the leader. 139 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 2: Because I've even heard the cousin, which I think it's Mike. 140 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: Mike is the cousin. 141 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: Yea. 142 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 2: If Mike Love was the cousin, he would in interviews 143 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 2: he would say like we'd go over and we'd be playing, 144 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: and Dad would just rip on all of us, and 145 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: I'd be like, this isn't even my family, Like why 146 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 2: is he yelling at me? Like listen, you would just 147 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: go home. 148 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: I think of Mike Love is the face a lot 149 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: of times. 150 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: He is because the Beach Boys now he is. 151 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. But when I think of the Beach Boys, if 152 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: I see them singing, it's always Mike Love Yeah in 153 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: my head. Because for a long time Brian Wilson checked 154 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: out too, like he wasn't and he just kept it going. 155 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 2: But and I may be wrong on this, but even 156 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: at the beginning when when Brian did tour, he wasn't 157 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 2: the on tour voice either. He played the bass and 158 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: he would kind of sing background vocals. I think he 159 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 2: took lead on a couple, but for the most part 160 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: he was kind of a background guy too. It wrote 161 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 2: all the songs recorded all the songs, but on stage 162 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 2: background kind of guy. 163 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty one, Brian formed the Beach Boys with 164 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: his brothers Karl and Dennis, their cousin Mike Love, and 165 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: one non family member. It's almost like palme Ley where 166 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: it's all like brothers and cousins, and they got like 167 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: one buddy, what is the buddy's name? I know the 168 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: buddies name because I did the research. You know you 169 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: know it too, but can you recall it right now? 170 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:12,239 Speaker 2: I can't. 171 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: Al Jardine, Al Jardine. Yes, And it started, I will say, 172 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: as a bit of a gimmick because they were doing 173 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: anything they could do to separate themselves to get noticed. 174 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: So the surf rock, as great as it was and 175 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: as fundamental as what they did, especially when pet sounds, 176 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: won't get to that to minute as what it did 177 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: for rock and roll, because they were America's first rock group. Yes, 178 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: the surf thing was a gimmick and they were like, 179 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: maybe we'll get noticed if we do this, because all 180 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: the songs were about girls and cars and waves and 181 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: you know, we'll have fun, fun, fun, and Daddy takes 182 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: a t bird away. So they had all these really 183 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: cool vocal arrangements, and but the genius was and how 184 00:08:55,520 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: the songs were being sang. The pandering was what the 185 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: songs were about, the lifestyle, Like, let's just create something 186 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: that people are just gonna love it. What were the 187 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: words we're singing really don't matter as much, But what 188 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: we're doing is the real genius of it. 189 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 2: Because like it can't you can't forget. At that time, 190 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 2: the Beatles were big too, so like it was this 191 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 2: war of American music versus British music and the British invasion, 192 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 2: not just the Beatles, and so the Beach Boys were 193 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 2: like the front fighters of that American music war, like 194 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 2: we're gonna represent American music. And what's more better than 195 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 2: in American music than like the beach in muscle cars 196 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 2: and all that stuff. 197 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 1: Most stream songs. I just pulled it up Number one, 198 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: Beach Boys. Wouldn't it be nice if we were older? 199 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: That's very much. Hey we're young beach surfy song, right, Yeah, 200 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: then I wouldn't have to. 201 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: Or maybe I just later though that's it is a 202 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 2: little later then. So like so like early Beach Boys 203 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 2: would be like surf and USA for sure in USA, yeah, surfing, 204 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: Safari good vibrations later really, yeah, that's all. That's all 205 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 2: pet sounds. 206 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: I feel like that the vibration is the beach No, 207 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: my mind, I'm not right. I just I think about 208 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: that California Girls earlier. 209 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's earlier. Yes, California Dreaming, that's Mama's in the 210 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 2: pop business. Okay, how about Bob's that's early Beach Boys. Yeah. 211 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: Uh so the surf thing was mostly a gimmick, but 212 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean the music was made as a gimmick 213 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 1: because again they did all this multi layer, a lot 214 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: of stuff that hadn't been done in music. They were 215 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: a big part of the wall of sound, which. 216 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 2: Which is a studio, a studio recording technique that the. 217 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: US. 218 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 2: Oh what did Charles Manson use that? 219 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: No? No, no, Manson is connected though later. 220 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 2: But what murderer, Oh specter, Phil Spector. 221 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: Correct, Yes, he murdered right officially, Mike, I think he's 222 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: in jail. Let me see. I think he got convicted. 223 00:10:58,720 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: I think so too, so I could say the murder. 224 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 2: Don't check that. 225 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: So he was writing, producing, arranging, even singing lead and 226 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: a lot of the early stuff he was again he 227 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: was the producer, yeah, and the lead singer at a 228 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: time where that didn't happen as much because everybody was 229 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: very specific about their skills. It wasn't like now where 230 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: you can learn a little bit everything because technology allowed it. 231 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: And what was cool too, is like he had all 232 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 2: these ideas, but in order for the record label to 233 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 2: just let go and be like, hey man, just do 234 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 2: your thing. I know it's expensive to get a full 235 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 2: orchestra like you want, but you know, it took him 236 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 2: a while, but eventually the label is just like. 237 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: You made us money, so go make us more money. 238 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: And here's money to make us more money. And he 239 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: would fill in. 240 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 2: He would fill the studio with a bunch of string 241 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 2: players and like a full orchestra. 242 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. It was convicted second degree murder and he died 243 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. Hey Matter murderer. Early success surf 244 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: and ussay surf in USA. It's hard when I got 245 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: all these melodies. Everybody got surfing surfing us. I get 246 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: around round and round, right, I get around. Help me, 247 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: Rond to. 248 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 2: Help help me, Ronda, help me, Ronda, get her out 249 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 2: of my heart. 250 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: They were a cultural force because they were the biggest 251 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: thing at the time. So the beach thing was even 252 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: big and rural parts of America where there were no beaches. 253 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's crazy, it's crazy to think about that. 254 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: I think Brian Wilson started to become a bit irritated 255 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: at the success they had, not because they were successful, 256 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 1: but because they got so successful being gimmicky. And that's 257 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: where Pet Sounds comes in. And so Pet Sounds. 258 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 2: He was already off the road producing. 259 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: And wanted to be taken way more seriously than just 260 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: the Beatles sound. 261 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know that the road too. He also 262 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 2: he always said that the Road two made him anxious 263 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 2: and he didn't like that. He didn't like playing in 264 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 2: front of all those people. He didn't like doing all 265 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 2: that stuff. So, which you think about, like what artists 266 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 2: would say, you know what, I'm going to stay back, 267 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: you guys go tour music and I'll write like that's 268 00:12:58,320 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 2: just unheard of. 269 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: Somebody confident, crazy and DGAF. 270 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 2: I think that's all him to. 271 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: A t so and so confident that if it doesn't work, 272 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: it's not my fault. It doesn't work, it's awesome. Everybody 273 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: else just doesn't get it. Yeah, nineteen sixty six Pet 274 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: Sounds comes out, which, by the way, was not a 275 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: super successful album. It was not when it came out. 276 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: So Pet Sounds it was really what they call his 277 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: first masterpiece. Looking at multiple articles where they're talking about 278 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: critics not just fake because people were gobbling up the records, 279 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: but there was a lot of critical acclaim Pet Sounds was, 280 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: and a lot of times what's critically acclaimed is not 281 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: consumed majorly by the public. Pet Sounds, though, was critically acclaimed, 282 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: America did not rush to it, but they really say 283 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: And Paul McCartney talked about how Pet Sounds directly inspired 284 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: Sergeant Pepper Wow harmonies. I think Pet Sounds to me 285 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: was using things that weren't real instruments, because they did 286 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: that a lot in this record a theorem and they 287 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: did bicycle bells, Yeah, they did recordings of dog. Yes, 288 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: they did opening cans, which is like one third of 289 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: country songs. 290 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 2: Now that's fine. They took it from Brian Wilson. 291 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: Remember he only had one ear that worked, like even 292 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: as an adult, he only had one good ear. So 293 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: he was inventing ways or inventing things to put on 294 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: and to make music with, like instruments that weren't even 295 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: real instruments, and so I think he saw it as 296 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: an art project. He was only twenty three years old 297 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: when this happened to It's crazy, so still a kid. 298 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 2: He was twenty three when what Pets Sounds him. Wow, 299 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 2: I didn't realize that. 300 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: She was a kid at only twenty three years old. 301 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: He was reshaping music. But he did have breakdowns, mental 302 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: breakdowns absolutely after Pet Sounds. He said he was on 303 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: a lot of drugs during Pet Sounds, too, Smile happened 304 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: and that very you say drugs, perfect timing, because that 305 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: was like the psychedelic album that didn't come out. 306 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 2: Till later, till way later. Yes, and then he toured Smile, 307 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 2: which was the first time I know that, which is 308 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 2: the first time he'd actually played live again. 309 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, Smile is listed as an ambitious psychedelic album that 310 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: never saw the light of the day in the sixties. 311 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor, 312 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 4: and we're back on the Bobby cast. 313 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: Brian's mental health was unraveling at the time. Drugs, paranora 314 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: or excuse me, paranoia, auditory hallucinations also like things he 315 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: was hearing, hallucinating things he was hearing, and I wonder 316 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: if it was a combination of drugs and being off 317 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: like one of his ears didn't work. 318 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and whatever, you know, mental disorders. He was high 319 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 2: as mental health fighting you know all that, which I'm 320 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 2: sure the drugs didn't help. 321 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: Here a song, I don't like the drugs, but the 322 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: drugs like me, don't like the drugs drugs. 323 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: No, no, who sings that sounds like whoever sings the 324 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 2: roof the roof? It sounds like they would sing that 325 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 2: so long. Marilyn Manson. 326 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh dang, I don't like the drugs, but the 327 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: drugs like me. 328 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 2: Did you ever see the movie Love, Love, and Mercy? 329 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: Is that it might with about what as Brian Wilson, 330 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: and it's it's played by who played Charles in Charge, 331 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 2: Scott Bao. Scott Bayo can't be a Scoto Charles. I'm 332 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 2: thinking of say anything John Cusack once he said, bo, 333 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 2: I'm like, nah, it's way off. Good movie, but it 334 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 2: all focuses on that period of where he was very sad, depressed, 335 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 2: lots of drugs. 336 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: The whole movie is based on that period, that period. 337 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 2: Yes, so it's a very sad movie, very like man 338 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 2: like you kind of get an idea of what he 339 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 2: was going through. He wouldn't leave his. 340 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: House, so he stayed in bed for months at a time. 341 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: Bo that's the period, and the Beach Boys kept touring. 342 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: It really wasn't a story. They didn't want it to 343 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: be a story. But because he wasn't the front man 344 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: early on he was, but because they had transitioned a 345 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,479 Speaker 1: bit and they sort of touring without him, nobody missed 346 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 1: the keys player, the bass player. And that's what America 347 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: would only really see him doing because they didn't see studios. 348 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: There weren't documentaries of how to make a record, there 349 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: weren't social media clips of the road. But yeah, he 350 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: stayed in the bed. 351 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 2: He stay in bed, And I wonder if he that 352 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 2: made him sad that he wasn't getting the credit of 353 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 2: making that music, which he was. He's made all that music, 354 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 2: but he wasn't touring it, and no one knew who 355 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 2: Brian Wilson was really. 356 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: But I think he could have been the and would 357 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: have been the lead if he'd wanted it. I think 358 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 1: he just was this is us, this is just conjecture, 359 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: sure point. I think he had mental illness. This is 360 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: the time when mental illness wasn't known as well diagnosed 361 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: if diagnosed diagnosed poorly. I think he had mental illness. 362 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: I think a lot of it too, probably stemmed from 363 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: his dad being abusive towards him, and not just physically 364 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: but emotionally. And because he could have been the front 365 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: guy had he chosen to. He did change up the 366 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: sound when he chose to. That's when they did pet 367 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: sounds and they kind of got famous again because it 368 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: was like Beach Boys, huge pet sounds, man smile. Didn't 369 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: him come out? 370 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 2: Yep? 371 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: And they still kept creating music. 372 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 2: Did Cocomo bring him back? 373 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: He wasn't part of Cocomo really? 374 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 2: Wow? 375 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like. 376 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 2: A it's just a Beach Boys thing without him. 377 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, although a jam jammed like that's the first like 378 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: I knew of hearing it on the radio. 379 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 2: I think Cocomo resurrected the Beach Boys. 380 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, uh so he stays in bed. In the eighties, 381 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: he fell under the influence of a controversial therapist, Eugene Landy, 382 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: who controlled nearly every part of his life, finances, music, 383 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: even medication. 384 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 2: That might be in the movie I remember correctly. 385 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: Brian came back. He sued to free himself from Landy's 386 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: grip and by the two thousands, he was touring again. 387 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: He finally released Smiles, which was the lost album too 388 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: critical acclaim and won a freaking Grammy Awesome in two 389 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: thousand and four at time made in the sixties. In 390 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: two thousand and four he puts it out It wins 391 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: a Grammy. He began to speak more openly about his schizophrenia, 392 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: his bipolar disorder, his trauma that obviously made those two 393 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: mental illnesses even worse than they already were, And somehow 394 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 1: dude did it. And like had he was known as 395 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: being difficult to deal with, But I think he was 396 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: just his communication style was different. I think he conjecture. 397 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: I think he much like someone on the spectrum, has 398 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: a different way to communicate. If it's real autistic. I 399 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: think because he had all of these mental illnesses that 400 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: he did not know, he had to create a different 401 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: way to talk with people, or learn a way that 402 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: people need to be talked to, and he never truly 403 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: understood how to communicate effectively with the folks. And I 404 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: think music was a part of his communication, which is 405 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: crazy to think that that's like the way that you 406 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: can communicate most with people is creating something for everybody. 407 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 2: You gotta think for the band, for audio engineers, labels, 408 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 2: all that stuff like had to be so difficult to 409 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 2: just trust him and let him do what he did 410 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 2: because I would see stuff and probably the same documentary 411 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 2: you watched of where he would record stuff and then 412 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 2: just trash it all like or not doing it, and. 413 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 1: That's that's probably this guy's such a dick. But really 414 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: he doesn't effectively know how to communicate. He was never 415 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: taught it, and he's dealing with mental illness. He doesn't 416 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: properly know how to communicate what he's feeling. So here's 417 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: the communication, no more, next yes, And that easily can 418 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: be looked upon as that is a bad person, that 419 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: is an evil, mean person, when really it's the inability 420 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: to communicate because there was never won the education of 421 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: what he was dealing with mentally, so you couldn't work 422 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: beyond that because you didn't understand that. 423 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:02,719 Speaker 4: Well. 424 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 2: I never thought about that. 425 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: Artists for Paul McCarney to Billie Eilish to back to 426 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:11,479 Speaker 1: boniv have cited Brian Wilson has a direct influence. People 427 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: still steal his harmonic blueprint, which is what we heard 428 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: at the very beginning of the harmonies. Yeah, Brian gave 429 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: people permission to almost didn't say no to anybody when 430 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: it came to it, because it wasn't really intellectual property 431 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: because you can't you don't really own the layering sound. 432 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: It's like owning a chord. Sure, you don't own a g. 433 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, anyone can use it. 434 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you would hear it and know that it 435 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: was directly influenced from that. So a lot of the 436 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: people would be like, hey, do you care We're going 437 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: to do something that you've created and you've made famous. 438 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 2: I think it was so cool when Paul McCartney eventually 439 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 2: said all that stuff, because I know forever the Beatles 440 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 2: would never admit that because they were two different They 441 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 2: were doing two different things right, and they were both young, 442 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 2: and they were both competitive and they were both trying 443 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 2: to be the best in the world. But like, it's 444 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 2: great when artists can look at another artist and be like, no, no, 445 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 2: that's he really influenced us, even though we acted like 446 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 2: we didn't really like each other at the time. 447 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: That's an extremely confident artist that has success for the 448 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: most Paul McCartney. 449 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what's cool too about the Beatles and the 450 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 2: Beach Boys is that those were two bands that didn't tour. 451 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 2: So so I guess the Beach Boys did tour, but 452 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 2: Brian Wilson did not tour, so he spent a lot 453 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 2: of time writing and producing music and a lot of 454 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 2: studio time. The Beatles, you got to think that the 455 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 2: Beatles only toured for a few years and then never 456 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 2: toured again, and all they did was produce studio albums. 457 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 2: So bands that we still look at today as the 458 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 2: ones that are the best bands of all times are 459 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 2: the Beatles and the Beach Boys. They're always on that 460 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 2: list because they did spend a lot of time in 461 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 2: the studio. 462 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: Perfect making records, making great records. 463 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 2: Were a lot of other bands they like, they'd make 464 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 2: a record, tour for two years, come back, make a right, 465 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 2: that's a good point. 466 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about the Charles Manson connection just 467 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: to the Beach Boys for a second, because that has 468 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: nothing to do with Brian Wilson, nothing to do with 469 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: but it does have to do with Dennis Wilson, his brother. Right, So, 470 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: Dennis Wilson, who was a songwriter and band member, had 471 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: a close relationship with Charles Manson, even helping Charles Manson 472 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: in his music. 473 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 2: Career before Charles did. 474 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he wasn't killing people. Sorry, he wasn't influencing 475 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: other people to kill people? Or had it started? Not 476 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: the fault, Yes, this is pre He introduced him to 477 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: record producer Terry Melcher. The association led to Charles Manson 478 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 1: writing and even attempting to record a song called Cease 479 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: to Exist with The Beach Boys. The song was later 480 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: altered and released has Never Learned Not to Love, a 481 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: B side to their Bluebirds Over the Mountain single. The 482 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: Beach Boys. Brian Wilson has also spoken about the frightening 483 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: impact that Charles Manson had on the group WHOA. Manson 484 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: wrote a song called Cease to Exist and hope to 485 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 1: record it with the Beach boy but they recorded it 486 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: but not without him, So. 487 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: The beat the band did record that song, that says. 488 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: The Beach Boys eventually recorded and released Never Learn Not 489 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: to Love, written by Charles Manson, an altered version of 490 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: Cease to Exist as the B side. So is he 491 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: credited as a writer on a Beach Boys song. 492 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 2: That's bizarre. You have to go in and change that. 493 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty eight, the Beach Boys recorded Manson's song 494 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 1: cease to Exist rename Never Learned Not to Love, but 495 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: Manson was uncredited. Afterward, he attempted to secure a record 496 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: contract through Melcher, but was unsuccessful. Hey, justice for Charles 497 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: Manson is a writer? Now's stop it as a writer? 498 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 2: Nah man? 499 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: The whole new song, dude is so if you kill somebody, 500 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: you lose all rights. 501 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you're not gonna get any money. 502 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: I mean, he's about the money. But I'm saying, if 503 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: he wrote the song and they took the song, he 504 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: should be credited as a writer. 505 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 2: Well, I would take it off the album because I mean, 506 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 2: as a beach boy, you don't want that. I mean, 507 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 2: you don't even want his name on your album. I 508 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 2: can all that I can agree with. 509 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 1: But I'm saying, if the song exists and they altered 510 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: a version of a song he wrote, Charles Manson should 511 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: be credited as a writer on the song. Am I wrong? 512 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 2: I mean technically no, morally questionable. 513 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: Have there been other murderers though, that have put out songs? 514 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: Great songs? What about all the Phil Spectr stuff? Now? 515 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: He produced? 516 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 2: But is he just uh, he's still down as a producer, right? 517 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: Is he a songwriter too? I mean all the stuff 518 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 1: he produced. 519 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 2: He song, Hey man, we've never asked that question even 520 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 2: thought about it. 521 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: Can you commit a crime so heninous, you shouldn't get 522 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 1: the credit for the artistic work you did before. 523 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 2: I don't know. 524 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: I think the answer is if you wrote it before 525 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: and you are credit, you should get the credit for it. 526 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 1: His grandkids should get the money. And they had nothing 527 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: to do with the murders. True, How did they. 528 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 2: Try to do justice with Charles Mann't know you turn 529 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 2: it that way. 530 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: He died though, right, Yeah, he's dead. Charles Manson. You 531 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: know he never actually killed anybody. 532 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 2: No, but he told them, yeah, convinced them where to go, 533 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 2: what to do. That's a bad situation anyway. Brian Wilson, 534 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 2: one of the best man, one of the greatest, to. 535 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: Quote one of his own songs, Love and Mercy. 536 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 2: That's it. That's the name of the movie Love. 537 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's exactly it, Love and Mercy. 538 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 2: Love and Mercy. 539 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: That's what you need tonight. So favorite beach boy song. 540 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: It's tough though, because what comes to mind is our 541 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 1: wedding song. 542 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 2: But also Jesse it don't worry about Jess and the 543 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 2: Rippers still be choy song. Is it called forever. 544 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, if tomorrow, Uh, probably, I mean God only knows. 545 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 1: Without that song, without full House, it's probably God only knows. 546 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 2: That wouldn't it be nice? Is awesome too? That's all? 547 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 2: Like you so good? 548 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: You could literally convince me you have like eight different 549 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: songs to change my mind on. I mean good Vibrations, 550 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: not that one though, No you really? 551 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 3: Yeah? 552 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 2: Oh dude, man, that song? That's that's five songs in one, 553 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 2: like just so all the tempo changes and everything key changes. 554 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 2: All that stuff's bohemian rahaps Yes, that's exactly what it is. 555 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 2: So good. 556 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: If I'm gonna rank them, I'm gonna go forever. God 557 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: only knows. Wouldn't it be nice? 558 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 2: Surfer girl lit? 559 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: Nah, it's surfy? 560 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that, like the. 561 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 1: Nostalgia of it, thinking about it being on black and 562 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: white TV with their surfboards. Like I wasn't a live obviously, 563 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: but so it's like nostalgia of nostalgia, like watch it 564 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: that that's cool. The history I should say, that's cool. 565 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: But if I'm gonna listen, like I still like those 566 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: three songs that I mentioned, I still listen to them, 567 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: but they popped up on a play list I wouldn't 568 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: skip through. 569 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 2: What about the one you've been singing all day? Which 570 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 2: one sloop? John b Oh? I mean, dude, you've been 571 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 2: singing that all day. 572 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: Well, I did a bunch of research for this podcast, 573 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: and that's the one. I was like, what song would 574 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: we sing out of this? And that's probably the one. 575 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: But that one's so cool because it's so different. 576 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 2: I feel so broke up. I want to go. 577 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: That's on pet Sounds. 578 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pet Sounds song. 579 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, So hoist up the John b cell. See how 580 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: they made so I may get the word of is 581 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: it in a captain a shore? Let me go home? 582 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: Let me go home? 583 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 2: I want to go home. Yeah, I feel so wake up. 584 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: I want to go so good. Help me Ronda? Yeah, 585 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: get her out. 586 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:28,479 Speaker 2: Of my heart? 587 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: All right? That's it. Recipes to Brian Wilson. Beach Boys 588 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: are awesome. They're way more than just the beach, and 589 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: they just were. They just couldn't change their name because 590 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:43,719 Speaker 1: they're way more than the beach. And they grew out 591 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: of boys just like Backstreet then on the Backstreet and 592 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: they're men now. 593 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 2: That's right. 594 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, thanks for listening. If you wanted to Beach Boys 595 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: fans or people that aren't. They would like to hear this, 596 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: You can send it, share this with them, shared on 597 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: your Instagram stories, that would be nice. Tag me. I'd 598 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: love to see it and send you a thank you 599 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: for sharing this. He's Brian Wilson. 600 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 4: Thank you, everybody, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast 601 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 4: production