1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,599 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 2: We are on a verdict watch here a crime story. 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: That's right, it's the Diddy Verdict Watch. Now the defense 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 2: has claimed to the jury with a straight face that 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 2: those violent attacks some caught on video are all. 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: Just homemade porn okay. 7 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 2: During the Diddy Verdict Watch, it has promulgated outside the courthouse. 8 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: There are t shirts for sale. 9 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: Vegas bents through the roof, tarot card predictions. But it 10 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 2: all boils down to what twelve individuals believe. I'm Nancy Grace. 11 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: This is crime Stories. I want to thank you for 12 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: being with us. Sean Kimes walking into the courtroom, all 13 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 2: Na must. 14 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: Stay what what well? 15 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:53,639 Speaker 2: Whoa whoa wo what a yoga zen thing. 16 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 3: Greeting his lawyers with a yoga studio, asked about. 17 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,959 Speaker 1: Namastay my career end. 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 3: This is horrific that he's allowed to walk into court 19 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 3: an easy's being well, cute and calm. 20 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: He can Noma stay his way all the way to 21 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: the MDC. 22 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: He wasn't all Noma stay in the middle of all 23 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: these free costs. He can chill out behind bars for 24 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: the rest of his life for all I care. After 25 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 2: bombshell closing, statements. The judge charged the jury throughout the morning, 26 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 2: and we are in a verdict. Watch here at Crime 27 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 2: Stories as we wait for the show incomes verdict to 28 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: be handed down by a jury of twelve. Joining us 29 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: now outside the Monahan Federal Courthouse. Tisa Tail's host of 30 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 2: Tisa Tales on YouTube, Tisa thank you for being with us. 31 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: What happened in court today? 32 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 4: In court, Mark Agnefilio came in like. 33 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 5: He had had the worst news delivered to He was 34 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 5: in walking around purl Brow, going in and out. 35 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 4: Nobody knows what happened. 36 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 5: However, the jury got the instructions, and something's telling me 37 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 5: that a strawberry lemonade defense might be falling apart. 38 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,559 Speaker 4: Before it even had a chance to take hold. 39 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: Okay, for those that don't know about the strawberry lemonade defense, 40 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 2: among so many other defenses such as it was just 41 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: homemade porn. Really okay? Does that include the Castiventior beat 42 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 2: down video that said strawberry lemonade explain this really took 43 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 2: the cake. 44 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 5: Strawberry leiminade defense is something I hope I never hear again. 45 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 5: I will never be able to look at Country Time 46 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 5: eliminade again. 47 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 4: Mark Agnofilio started off by saying, you know, it's like 48 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 4: when you're a partner. Sometimes they like it, but you 49 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 4: don't like. 50 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 5: But you couldn't like what your partner likes because you 51 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 5: want to please them again. The jury and the galley 52 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 5: was looking like, sir, what are you talking about? He 53 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 5: looked like he was like, okay, too far. It's like 54 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 5: and then he immediately switched to it's like drinking strawberry lemonade. 55 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 5: Your partner might love it, you don't like it, but. 56 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 4: Over time you come to like it because you want 57 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 4: to please your partner again. 58 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 5: And Mark Agnofilio was doing, I don't believe you're lying, 59 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 5: eyes and ears, just focus in on me. His wife 60 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 5: was in court and he said that this was he's 61 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 5: seen him his whole career, and this was the best 62 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 5: clothing he's ever seen him perform. And I gotta say, 63 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 5: if that was the best, I would hate to see 64 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 5: the worst. 65 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: You know, Tisa tails. 66 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 2: Throughout the defense closing statement, we heard Agnifilo use one 67 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: old tired phrase after the next, such as she wanted it, uh, 68 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: she got paid, as if that's the defense to the beatings, 69 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: making a lot of comments about how much money Cassaventiro had, 70 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: how much money? He was referring to Jane Steele living in. 71 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: The home that Diddy had paid for, on and on 72 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: with so many old, tired phrases. 73 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: I'm very curious at reflecting on really disdainful theories about 74 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 2: rape victims. I'm very curious how the jury was responding 75 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: to that. 76 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 5: The funny thing is, I thought it was my imagination, 77 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 5: but I talked to a few people also that. 78 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 4: Were sitting on court. He lost the jury. He went 79 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 4: so far as to say, you want to talk about 80 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 4: old school rape theories? He said, and then he pulled 81 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 4: out the oldest trick in the book, him, read me, 82 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 4: and she said it just like that. 83 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 5: The jury's eyes kind of looked like, what is going on? 84 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 5: He tried to apply Cassie was a minx that seduced 85 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 5: all these men. She was gangster, She could take two 86 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 5: or three men at a time. Cassie was a woman 87 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 5: that likes sex. 88 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 4: It was so disgusting. And the funny thing is, and 89 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 4: I'll be honest with you. 90 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 5: He came in really charming the jury, making jokes. But 91 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 5: once he started going into that old school misogyny, the 92 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 5: jury was termed off. And the thing is, he started 93 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 5: to seem like he was to get a little nervous. 94 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 5: It's almost like he realized that he had. 95 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 4: Lost a jury. It was really startling to see. 96 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand what you just said. Tisa Tales. 97 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: Everyone Tasta Tales from Tisa Tales on YouTube joining us 98 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 2: outside the courthouse. And what a day it has been 99 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 2: in the courtroom. We'll get into jury instructions in just 100 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 2: a moment. But did you say that Agnifilo, the lead 101 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: defense attorney, stated that Cassie was gangster and that she 102 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,799 Speaker 2: was fine to take two to three men at once. 103 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: He said that. 104 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 4: What he actually said was she juggled them two three 105 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 4: at a time. 106 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 5: But Nancy, you hit it on the head, that inference, 107 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 5: that little sly growth thought he was trying to plant 108 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 5: in the jury's head two to three. Let's not forget 109 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 5: what she was getting the trend on her. It was 110 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 5: two or three people. It was disgusting to see what 111 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 5: he was doing. And that inference that you picked up 112 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 5: on was not lost on the jury. He lost them 113 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 5: with that old school misogyny. 114 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: It was too much. 115 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:57,799 Speaker 4: It was too much. 116 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, did he act she say the 117 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 2: word gangster. 118 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 4: Did he say yes, Yes, he said Cassie was traded. 119 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 5: And this is right after he was referring to her 120 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 5: juggling two or three at a time. 121 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 4: Cassie was gangster. 122 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: She didn't care. 123 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 4: I mean, I guess I don't want to sound jez. 124 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 5: There's nothing wrong with this. This is a woman that 125 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 5: liked sex. She liked it, she was in control, he 126 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 5: knew what he wanted. 127 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 4: It was back to back to back grossness. 128 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 5: And again, I can understand if the prosecution had not 129 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 5: done such a great job with their closing arguments, maybe 130 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 5: you could have skated by. But it was night and 131 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 5: day and it really made a jury in my mind, 132 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 5: saying who side are you on? And where are you 133 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 5: going to draw the line at where you see victims? 134 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 4: It was very startling. 135 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: So let me understand this. 136 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 2: The white bread boy from law school called the rape 137 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 2: victims gangster? 138 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: Did I just hear that? 139 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 4: Yes? 140 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 5: And again it sounded just as cheesy Eric Corney, and 141 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 5: like a load of bricks, But he still did it, 142 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 5: and it made me think, was did he involved in 143 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 5: that closing argument? Was he giving him notes about no colors? 144 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: Straight? 145 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 4: Gangster? 146 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: Again? 147 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 4: Maybe right, message, wrong, Messenger. That was a very cringe moment. 148 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 5: You know, as soon as it came out of Mark's mouth, 149 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 5: you could tell he just wanted to make that go 150 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 5: away and just move on to the next point. 151 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: Okay, joining me, Rob Shooter. He is a host of 152 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: naughty but nice podcasts and you can find him at 153 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 2: Rob Shooter in a shut er, not Bang Bang Shooter, 154 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: robshooter dot substack dot com. 155 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: Former publicist for Sean comes. 156 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just trying to get that mental picture of Agnifilo, 157 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: the whitebread boy from law school, fixing his mouth to 158 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 2: call the rape victims gangster. And they could take it 159 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 2: that Cassie could juggle two to three men at a time. 160 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: You're the pr guru. I bet that Phil flat. 161 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 6: Worse than that. Nancy has absolutely tone deaf. I'm shocked 162 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 6: that did. He's paying good money for this legal team 163 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 6: and did he is a perfectionist, at least when I 164 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 6: worked with him. He certainly likes to win and have 165 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 6: things his own way. I can't believe that this is 166 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 6: the argument that they're using, that he's allowing them to use, 167 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 6: that he's not objecting to it. He has made a 168 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 6: living for twenty years really really understanding what the audience wants. 169 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 6: And I know he's looking at that jury like an audience. 170 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 6: He's been on stage and he knows what it's like 171 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 6: to lose an audience. He's played the garden, some of 172 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 6: the biggest venues in the world. Now he's sitting in 173 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 6: this courtroom and he can tell he's a professional at this, Nancy. 174 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 6: He can tell that this just is not working. I 175 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 6: am so surprised that they are doing this, and I'm 176 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 6: even more surprised that did he hasn't at least tried 177 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 6: to correct this ship. It's a bad, bad look. 178 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. And here's the thing, Shooter. 179 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 2: Once you commit to the lawyer that's going to deliver 180 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 2: the closings, you're stuck. You could have a fleet five seven, 181 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 2: eight lawyers like the defense has, but only one lawyer 182 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: is tasked can be tasked with delivering closing statements. 183 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: If you'll think back to the Alex. 184 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 2: Murdock double murder trial where he was charged and convicted 185 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 2: of murdering his wife Maggie and son Paul. They wanted 186 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: to split that up so the good old boy could 187 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 2: start Hartpootlian. 188 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: The closings and then bring on a younger and more. 189 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: Spry lawyer to hit the facts. No, that was not allowed. 190 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 2: There is a reason only one lawyer can give openings 191 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 2: and closings. And they picked Agnifilo. I told them at 192 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 2: the get go, do not do that. After his disastrous 193 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: softball interview with Harvey Levin about the baby oil it 194 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 2: was cringey right way cringe. He was not fit to 195 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 2: do closings. He may be illegal mastermind, but no, Oh 196 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 2: they had Steel, an excellent lawyer, just got young Fergoff. 197 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 2: They have tiny Girrigoss, daughter of Mark Gerrio's great lawyer. 198 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: But no, they picked him. That was Diddy's decision. Do 199 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 2: you agree or disagree there? Any way? It was anyone's decision. 200 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: But Sean Combs is no way, one hundred percent his decision. 201 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 6: And not only will he be deciding which lawyer to pick, 202 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 6: he'll want to know the outline of the closing statements 203 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 6: they're going to make. He's a total control for it. 204 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 6: Let me give you an example, Nancy. When I was 205 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 6: working with him twenty years ago, we were at Good 206 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 6: Morning America and everybody in the crowd was white, and 207 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 6: did he know that this was a bad look? And 208 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 6: he turned to me and said, where are the people 209 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,719 Speaker 6: of color? And there were some people there. They were 210 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 6: at the back, they were moved to the front. Did 211 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 6: he notice this in did his concerts? Did he make 212 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 6: sure that when the camera shoots people in the audience, 213 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 6: it's people of color people, it's pretty people. So he 214 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 6: knows image better than anybody else in that courtroom, and 215 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 6: I'm shocked that he's allowing this to happen. 216 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: Not good. 217 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 2: And of course we've had fifty fifty fifty cents way 218 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 2: in on the closing arguments, but very quickly, I want 219 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: everybody to hear I got a ton of these man 220 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 2: on the streets about the outcome of the trial. 221 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: Listen to this. We're all my. 222 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: Blogger, reporters, anyone content creators that have questions for this man. 223 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: He will be home soon. You heard it here first 224 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: on EBTV. 225 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: That's from Arispoto on TikTok Okay. So word on the 226 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,599 Speaker 2: street is that he's. 227 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: Going to walk. Okay, I don't get it. 228 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 2: Tisa tells what's the word in the courthouse, Because I 229 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: tell you, who knows what's going to happen. The bailiffs, 230 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 2: they always know, they know exactly what's going down. So 231 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 2: what's the worry of Tisa tells. 232 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 5: The word for the corporam is people are not expecting 233 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 5: Diddy to walk. They are expecting for the verdict to 234 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 5: come in before July third. They think the jury's going 235 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 5: to want to take their holiday weekend. But they are 236 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 5: not expecting Diddy to walk. And oddly enough, also a 237 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 5: lot of people in the court that worked there seemed 238 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 5: to be very very kind of thrown off two with 239 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 5: the question of Mark agnfilial and what he was saying 240 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 5: tu Rock's point where he says he doesn't know why. 241 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 4: Did he did? 242 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 5: There was something in the middle of closing arguments when 243 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 5: after Mark Nott admonished by the judge, when he came back, 244 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 5: did he had a huddle? 245 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 4: He was bad, he was upset. He literally stood over. 246 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 5: Them like a general a quietly barking orders at them 247 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 5: and Mark with to the jury and then started. 248 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 4: Saying all these nonsensical things. 249 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 5: I actually think that did He's the one putting them 250 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 5: up to have a man clost the sixties screaming she 251 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 5: was straight gangster in the courtroom. 252 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 4: I actually think didt He's the one. 253 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 5: That had him make the argument of he he's a 254 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 5: better father to Jane's child than the own father because 255 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 5: he's paying friends. I think Diddy was behind that for 256 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 5: some reason. He wanted to get those looks in and 257 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 5: he thinks that it's. 258 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 4: Going to win with the jersey. 259 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 2: Okay, you need to to just hold on backtrack because 260 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 2: I made every single detail taste of tales. When was 261 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 2: Sean Combe's standing like the coach of the football team, 262 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 2: barking orders, But he can't bark him too loud because 263 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 2: everybody in the courtroom will hear it. 264 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: I got to hear the whole thing slowly. I'm on 265 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: every detail. 266 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 5: So you see Diddy in the courtroom and when I 267 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 5: say barking orders and this goes to Ditty's mindset. Of course, 268 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 5: he wasn't screaming in the courtroom. He was very quiet. 269 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 5: How do we know he was barking because of his 270 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 5: body language. He sat there like a general like the 271 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 5: Holly and looking at a map of Europe with his 272 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 5: hands on the defense tables. 273 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 4: Stand up, standing up. We were just coming back from 274 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 4: a break Diddy's team at Nolan. 275 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 5: They had gone too far and they had accused the 276 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 5: government of acting improper. The judge said he was going 277 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 5: to issue a curative instruction saying say that anymore and disregard. 278 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 5: When they came back, he made sure he could have 279 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 5: did it in the back room. He made sure the 280 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 5: stand there like napoleons, his fingers spread of standing up 281 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 5: leaning over the defense desk with his band of loyal followers. 282 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 4: His defense team. 283 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 5: Leaned and close, and he made sure by his body 284 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 5: movement that we knew and his body language that we 285 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 5: knew that he was whispering intently reading his team. 286 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 4: A new one. And then they were going back and forth. 287 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 5: It looked like they were trying to talk, since to 288 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 5: them he was still like letting his body language do 289 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 5: the talking. Again, he wanted to let us know that 290 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 5: he wasn't happy with his lawyers, which is a very 291 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 5: very weird thing. And after that, Mark Agnefiliel, when he 292 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 5: started his closing again after Freak, he said, before we 293 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 5: move on, I want to bring up a few issues 294 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 5: that I don't think I touched him before, and I said, 295 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 5: there you go, there you go. This is what did 296 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 5: he wanted us to know? Apparently did he wants us 297 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 5: to know the but if Cassie is, if we believe 298 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 5: that Cassie is, in his words, a loose woman, an 299 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 5: unclean woman. 300 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 4: If we know that he was a better father to. 301 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 5: Jane's child than even James's own baby's father because he 302 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 5: was paying the rent, then somehow we're. 303 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 4: Going to let it go. He wanted us to know 304 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 4: that it was. 305 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 5: Unclear, okay, that it was unclear in the video who 306 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 5: the aggressor was. 307 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 4: Could have been her, could have been him, Maybe it 308 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 4: was him. Let's take a look at the evidence and 309 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 4: see what you find. 310 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 5: Again, these were the nonsensical arguments, and again Mark scene after. 311 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 4: Did he read them a new one to lose his stem? 312 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 4: And just it was a weird energy coming off. 313 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 5: He kept seeing like he was trying to recover, and 314 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 5: he kept going a little bit too far, So I 315 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 5: think did he's the one pushing these narratives. 316 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoe Ala, was joining us out of La, 317 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: author of deal Breaker. 318 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: You can see her on Peacock and find her online 319 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: at dr Bethany Marshall dot com. In a nutshell that 320 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 2: people actually still say that, and I can't believe that 321 00:15:58,360 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 2: Agnifilo would actually say. 322 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: That to Journey full of women loosemen. 323 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 3: They may not say loose woman, Nancy, but The implication 324 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 3: that if a woman is sexual, she's dirty or bad 325 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 3: or sinful is still pervasive in our society. And this 326 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 3: is why women who are sex trafficked do not have 327 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 3: the protections that they should have. Men are allowed to 328 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 3: be sexual, women are not. It is pervasive in our society. 329 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 3: And this is what we see with p Diddy all 330 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 3: throughout this case. And you know this, leaning against the 331 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 3: defense desk, his fingers bread like Napoleon. He's trying to 332 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 3: intimidate his attorneys and they are full grown men. Imagine 333 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 3: what he did in private with these victims. If he's 334 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 3: doing this in court in front of everybody, including the jurors. 335 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 2: We are live at the courthouse standing by Tisa Tail's 336 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 2: star off Tasa Tales on YouTube. 337 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: Tisa aside from saying. 338 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 2: Let me, I've just had to make a flowshot chart 339 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 2: that the alligied rate victim is gangsta, that she could 340 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 2: easily take on two or three men at a time 341 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 2: and juggle them, I assume that means pulling a train 342 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 2: in legal terms, calling her a loose woman, and all 343 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 2: of the charges just quote homemade porn. I understand that 344 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 2: Shawn Kamm's son had to be taken out, well, escorted 345 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,959 Speaker 2: out of the courtroom by bailiffs. 346 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: What happened, well happly enough. 347 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 5: When he was first escorted out, I assumed that it 348 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 5: was something to do with a bathroom break or he 349 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 5: felt sick. However he was really he was wearing a 350 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 5: T shirt that said free Didty. 351 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 4: And of course they have made it illegal in. 352 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 5: The courtroom to have anything that shows support or not 353 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 5: support for Didty. And it makes me wonder because I 354 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 5: still think Diddy is running the whole show. The fact 355 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 5: that you had to put your child up to that 356 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 5: because they knew the rules, and even at this critical 357 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 5: point where you need the jury to feel sorry for you, 358 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 5: you need the court, through the judge by the way 359 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 5: it's going to sentence her father, to think that you 360 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 5: guys were all law abiding with a healthy. 361 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 4: Respect for the law. 362 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 5: And the fact that you would take that moment to 363 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 5: do a stunt queen antic to say free Diddy and 364 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 5: you had to be escorted out of court. 365 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 4: Again, it makes you think about their minds. 366 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 5: I feel like they're living in delusion land, the followers 367 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 5: and even their son that would even put their dad 368 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 5: in the situation. 369 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 4: But again, I think this is all flowing from the top. 370 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 4: This is diddy. 371 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 2: They had Sean Combs dressed up like a Harvard freshman 372 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 2: again in court today, wearing his usual cream colored sweater. 373 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:35,479 Speaker 2: But I heard that throughout the judge's instructions very often 374 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 2: he had his head down. 375 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: Why what was happening when he had his. 376 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 4: Head down for some reason? Here's the thing. He had 377 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 4: his head down. 378 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 5: I get what he was going for. He was trying 379 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 5: to look contrite. He wants the jury to feel sorry 380 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 5: for him. But I will say his messaging in his body. 381 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 4: Language has been very off. 382 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 5: In his head, I think he's that young, strightly twenty 383 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 5: five year old that can, you know, shake hands, kiss babies, 384 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:02,959 Speaker 5: and charm the ladies. 385 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 4: I don't think he realizes that he comes across a 386 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 4: little creepy in court. So he has his head down. 387 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 5: It looks like, I get it, you're trying to look sad, 388 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 5: But are you going to sleep? 389 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 4: Hello? Are you up? 390 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: When he's sitting. 391 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 5: Here trying to look contrite, he looks like somebody's grandfather, 392 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 5: trying to look like a three year old. Even when 393 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 5: you look at his body language. Dressed like a Harvard 394 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:27,959 Speaker 5: law student, always a fresh haircut, but his hair is gray, which, again, 395 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 5: where are you going with the image. I would think 396 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 5: that if you are being accused of making these women 397 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 5: do freak golfs and it's something you do to pretty 398 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 5: your lover, you won't want to look as young and 399 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 5: handsome as possible to make it seem like these girls 400 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 5: could actually be attracted to you without coercion. 401 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 4: That is not the case. 402 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 5: So again it's just another mysfire. And did he thinking 403 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 5: he knows more than anything? Now that said, like Rob said, 404 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 5: he's made a He's made a whole career out of 405 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 5: reading people. 406 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 4: So maybe he sees something on the jury that we don't. 407 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 408 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 2: Okay, Rob Shooter joining us a host of Naughty but 409 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 2: Nice podcast. 410 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: Rob Shooter, you know if he walks, the first place. 411 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 2: He's going is to the Dwayne Reid or the CBS 412 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 2: right around the corner from the courthouse. Actually, he would 413 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 2: send a minion to do with He wouldn't do it 414 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 2: himself and take back up on just for a men, 415 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 2: This whole gray hair act, you know, he's doing that 416 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 2: on purpose to make himself look frail and pitiful in 417 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: front of the jury, not like a guy that could 418 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 2: beat Cassie Ventira's rear end on video, dragging her up 419 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 2: and down the hall, and as was pointed out last week, 420 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: holding on. He hadn't mind beating her with one hand. 421 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 2: But one thing he did hold on to he did 422 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 2: was hold onto that towel, so this wouldn't show. 423 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: Okay, did let let me see that video one more time? Please? 424 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 2: No matter what he did, you know he did the 425 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 2: all star punting kicks. He came running down the hall. 426 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 2: Look at that, grabbing her, grabbing her stuff out. Okay, 427 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 2: I never get past those kicks while she's laying there 428 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 2: act playing dead. 429 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: But he never lets go of the towel. 430 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 2: And many people have suggested is because at all costs 431 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 2: he doesn't want. 432 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: The cameras to pick up on this. Okay, So, Vanity, 433 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: thy name is Diddy. 434 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 6: I think that's a beautiful, very very smart way of 435 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 6: really summarizing who he is. Nancy. He always is thinking 436 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 6: about image. He's always thinking about himself. He's always thinking 437 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 6: about the way he can sell something. 438 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 4: Let's be really. 439 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 6: Clear here, Puffy is not a star because he's a 440 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 6: great rapper, a great singer, a great actor, a great dancer. No, 441 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 6: he's a great pr guy. He's a great mark getting guy, 442 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 6: and so I would imagine he was pretty angry with 443 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 6: his son for wearing that T shirt because it's the 444 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 6: opposite thing to what did he has been projecting portraying 445 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 6: in the court. So I would imagine was not that 446 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 6: happy about that. But I do think here it would 447 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 6: be so easy and a mistake for us all to 448 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 6: believe that this is over. The word that I'm hearing 449 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 6: not in the courtroom but on the street in the 450 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 6: music business is they're all expecting him to be home really, 451 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 6: really soon, and so you've got to take that into 452 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 6: account too. It's very easy to get into this bubble 453 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 6: where the evidence is so strong and what should happen 454 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 6: is what we want to happen. But often that isn't 455 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 6: the case, particularly when a marketing manipulative person is involved. 456 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 6: And did is that? 457 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: Okay? 458 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 2: Let me ask you, this shooter, the stories, the true 459 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 2: stories that you have told about Sean Colmbs manipulating the 460 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 2: press and other people. And you were there to hear 461 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 2: every directive, every order he gave, from what seat he 462 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 2: wanted in the expensive restaurant to how he wanted to 463 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 2: be videoed as he mounted his private plane, you name it. 464 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: What directives do you believe he. 465 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 2: Has told his team to execute during closing arguments? And 466 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:26,239 Speaker 2: how has he orchestrated the courtroom everything from where his 467 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 2: family sits and they've been in the courtroom all day 468 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 2: long during these charges, and that's not an easy thing 469 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 2: to listen to, by the way, during the trial, when 470 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 2: they would get up and get down, which as you know, 471 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 2: causes a stir in the courtroom when a family member 472 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 2: leaves or comes back, you know, that was all orchestrated. 473 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 2: What they were wearing, what he's wearing, what his lawyers 474 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 2: are wearing, where they sit, how they look at the jury. 475 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: Everything is orchestrated down to a t. Explain. 476 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 6: That's what he has done for his life, and that's 477 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 6: what's made him a really, really big star. The conflict 478 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 6: that he has is that he has been portraying himself 479 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 6: as quite a humble, gray haired, maybe now middle aged 480 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 6: gentleman who couldn't possibly do these awful things. And so 481 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 6: I think he's done a somewhat convincing job of that. However, 482 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 6: the real Diddy there he is is a fighter, and 483 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 6: he loves a fight, and if you come at him, 484 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 6: he's going to punch you back. And so these closing 485 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 6: arguments are typical Diddy. If you remember, before that tape 486 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 6: was released, that horrific tape you just showed us, Nancy, 487 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 6: Before that tape was released, his instinct was to punch 488 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 6: Cassie and to say she's a gold digger, she's after 489 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 6: my money. And many people, at least in the rap 490 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 6: community believe that until we saw this tape. So I 491 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 6: think once again now is reverting back to his natural instincts, 492 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 6: which is to attack the victim, to make Cassie look 493 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 6: like a woman who might have had different types of judgment. 494 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 6: I'm not sure it's going to work, Nancy, but I 495 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 6: do know there is quite a large population, quite a 496 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 6: large demographic, who do believe this. 497 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 2: To you, Tisa Tails joining us outside the Manhan Federal Courthouse. 498 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: As we wait on a verdict. 499 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 2: The family there throughout those very long and extensive jury instructions. Today, 500 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 2: jury instructions are with the judge verbatim reads the law, 501 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 2: and there were hundreds of pages of law to read. 502 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 2: But the family sat through the whole thing. Describe what 503 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 2: was happening in the courtroom. 504 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 5: What was happening in the courtroom was to Rob's point, 505 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 5: did you every morning he does come out the door 506 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 5: like a celebrity. He walked in, he paused, almost like 507 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 5: he expected everyone to take pictures and whatnot. 508 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 4: This is maybe eight feet he has to walk. He 509 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 4: walked to the side. He did his smile, He did 510 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 4: the love. 511 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 5: He blew kisses at his family, told his daughters he 512 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 5: loved them, mouthed I love you, and then said nodding, nodding, 513 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 5: nodding because he remembered he's supposed to be. 514 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 4: A frail old man. 515 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 5: He forget sometimes and then he solely SLINKs and stinks 516 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 5: into his chair. The whole time the judge was reading 517 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 5: the jury instructions, Diddy was looking down. Sometimes he tried 518 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 5: to look straight, then he would get bored and he 519 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 5: would look down again. But the family, with each jury 520 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 5: instruction that was read off, the family kept getting more 521 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 5: and more uncomfortable. At what point when they talked about 522 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 5: what it is to move prostitution across state lines, the 523 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 5: daughters looked at each other. It's always the twins, and 524 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 5: then the one little girl is in between them. 525 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 4: They all looked at each other their physicality. 526 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 5: Again, I get what Robs saying, a lot of people 527 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 5: in Diddy's camp think he's coming home. 528 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 4: But these are the same people that thought that he'd 529 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 4: never get arrested. 530 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 5: These are the same people that thought there was never 531 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 5: going to be a jarring jury investigation. These are the 532 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 5: same people that thought his house was never going to 533 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 5: be rid. Why do I bring that up because I 534 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 5: feel like the kids are right there in delusional land. 535 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 5: But it was so interesting to see that with each 536 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 5: jury instruction, the family got more and more uncomfortable, and 537 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 5: they looked more and more nervous because as much as 538 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 5: you try to spend this, the law is the law, 539 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 5: and maybe he won't be convicted of everything, but there 540 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 5: are certain things that when they read out, everybody knows. 541 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 5: The prosecution proved back on their second, third, fourth day. 542 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 4: Again, some facts are just facts. 543 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 5: And I think the kids they're getting a docal reality 544 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 5: when they're in the courtroom. 545 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: He is dragging the state star witness through the mud. 546 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 3: So she's painting her to be this cheer, this liar, 547 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 3: this betrayer. 548 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 5: Very nineteen sixties coded misogyny. 549 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: Here's the law. 550 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: There you go, there's all the love of Agnifolo is 551 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 2: talking about enclosing statements. 552 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 1: She was no angel. He even accused Cassie of. 553 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 5: Saying she was raped because she was dating her husband, 554 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 5: or is Marth like. 555 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 4: To put it, the oldest chick in the book. They 556 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 4: were looking at him like he was crazy. One person 557 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 4: had a look of disbelief. It was like a bomb 558 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 4: went off. 559 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 2: Tasa Tels Outside the Courthouse has just reported that inside 560 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 2: the courthouse, the word is did He's going down? But 561 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 2: not everybody agrees. 562 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 7: There's no drug possession charges, there's no like assault. 563 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: There's not really charges that you can say. 564 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 7: Well, you know, I don't want to send him to 565 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 7: prison for fifteen years, but I don't like him and 566 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 7: he's a bad person, so let's convict him of this 567 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 7: and he'll get a couple of. 568 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: Years, which is very often what juries do. True. 569 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 2: He may be no legal scholar, that's from our prophet 570 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 2: on TikTok, but that's the point. This case is not 571 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 2: being determined or judged by legal scholars. Is being judged 572 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 2: by twelve jurors joining me. In addition to Tasa Tales 573 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 2: Outside the Courthouse and All Star Panelts go straight out 574 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 2: to Eric Fattus, joining us veteran troial lawyer and founding 575 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 2: partner Varner Fattus elite legal Eric. While we may think 576 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 2: the state has proven its case, it's really up to 577 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 2: the jury. And I mean the Vegas odds are fifty 578 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 2: to fifty right now, and I think that may reflect 579 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 2: what's going on. So just because the climate inside the 580 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 2: courthouse is conviction oriented, Remember you're surrounded by bailiffs. Everybody 581 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 2: in the courthouse, many of them work for the state, 582 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that's the slant the jury's taking fattest. 583 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 8: In fact, getting these takes you from the street and 584 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 8: from folks on YouTube. That could be a better glipse 585 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 8: into how these laid jurors are actually seeing this case. Look, 586 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 8: this is an uphill battle. It's not a slam dunk 587 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 8: by any means. We're talking about allegations over the course 588 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 8: of decades. There are all these moving parts, thirty four 589 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 8: different witnesses, conflicting evidence, credibility issues. When you put all 590 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 8: of that together, it's difficult to meet that burden of 591 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 8: proof beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the highest burden 592 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 8: in the justice system. 593 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 594 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 2: Right now, we know Shawn Combs has been sweating bullets 595 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 2: in the courtroom all day continuously looking over at the jury, 596 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 2: darting his gaze over at them throughout the judge's instructions. 597 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 2: Joining me, Danny Pinter, Senior VP and Director of the 598 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 2: Law Center at the National Center on Sexual Exploitation. 599 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: Danny, when you hear phrase. 600 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 2: Is like, oh, she was gangster, straight up, she could 601 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 2: take on two three men at a time. 602 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: She was a quote loose woman. She got paid. And 603 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: another moment, Agniffolo said he hit her twice, referring to 604 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: I believe that was Jane. He only hit her twice. 605 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: That's the defense. 606 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I found it honestly disgusting, and I hope the 607 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 3: jury does too. 608 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: I think it was weak and unpersuasive. 609 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 4: And the defense went too far. 610 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 9: The jury has to contend with the facts, which I think, 611 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,959 Speaker 9: you know, as a legal expert, I think they do. 612 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: The prosecution met their burden. 613 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 4: But what story is the jury going to believe? And 614 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 4: does the defense really think the jury is going to believe. 615 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 3: The story that Cassie Ventura had all the power. 616 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: And it Diddy is the victim. 617 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 4: I don't think anyone's buying. 618 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 2: Joining me now, Robert Crispin PI at Crispin Special Investigations. 619 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: But for our purposes former Federal. 620 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 2: Task Force Officer U. S. D oj deea Miami Field 621 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 2: Division former homicide from My Purposes Tonight, former vice and 622 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 2: you can find him at Crispininvestigations dot com. Robert the 623 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 2: Robber hits Now it's go time. The evidence is in, 624 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 2: the witnesses are gone. All that's left are the lawyers, 625 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 2: the judge, Diddy and the jury. 626 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: Throughout the day, I believe we saw a. 627 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 2: Different Diddy, cautiously furtively glancing at the jury, darting his 628 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 2: eyes back and forth as those jury instructions were read. 629 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 2: I know the feeling because throughout a jury trial, I 630 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 2: would watch the judge, the witness, the jury, witness, jury, witness, jury. 631 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: It's like a tennis match and you can't say anything. 632 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: You can only. 633 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 2: Watch and observe, make notes throughout the jury instructures. Today, 634 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 2: Sean Combe's sweating bullets. 635 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: I think now Crispin's hitting. 636 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 2: Home and you've seen it a million times. It's all 637 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 2: big talk. Bravado. She is at She is. 638 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: A quote loose woman. 639 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 2: She straight up gangst believe white Red Agniffolo fixed his 640 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 2: mouth to say Cassie's gangst. 641 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: Oh okay, that was way cringing. 642 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 2: But now it's down to it and Comb's is sitting 643 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 2: there staring at the jury. 644 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: You've seen it happen a million times. 645 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, this is good. This is gonna be tough 646 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 4: for both sides. 647 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 10: You know, the government's going to sit back and they're 648 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 10: going to wonder, did we do this right? The defense 649 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 10: is going to look back and say, did we say 650 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 10: the right thing in closing to put that reasonable doubt 651 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 10: just in one juur, just at one juror did I 652 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 10: do that? 653 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 11: Did I get that out there? 654 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 10: And Diddy's realizing that federal court is no joke. 655 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: Federal Court is the real deal. 656 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 11: And you know the videos, the electronic evidence, the witness testimony. 657 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 11: It all comes down to these people sitting in the 658 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 11: jury boxing, going back and thinking everything through and coming 659 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 11: up whether guilty or not guilty, and do they understand 660 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 11: the injury instructions? Those jury and stress are pretty intense, 661 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 11: especially the RICO and the racketeering, those are pretty intense. However, 662 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 11: what's going to be interesting is what are the questions 663 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 11: that are going to come out from the jury that 664 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 11: kind of gives us a telltale sign of where they're going. 665 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 11: What are they thinking what's the question. Why are they 666 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 11: asking this question about a certain piece of evidence? So 667 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 11: as time goes and ticks. 668 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 10: Away, we're going to kind of have a little bit 669 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 10: more idea once one of those questions start coming in, 670 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 10: or two questions. 671 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 11: This is a bad day for Diddy because I think 672 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,240 Speaker 11: through all his testimony and making contact with the jury 673 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 11: and smiling, complimenting the judge and sitting back and leaning 674 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 11: forward and back in his chair. 675 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 10: Like he's a badass, that's different. 676 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 4: Today. His life is in the balance. 677 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 10: He is about to, if. 678 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 11: Found guilty, go to prison for the rest of his life. 679 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 11: That's a big pill to swallow. 680 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 2: Rob Shooter joining me hosted a naughty but Nice podcast 681 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 2: and you can find him at a substack. Rob the 682 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 2: daughters who have had to leave court several times in 683 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 2: tears during the testimony, that's a whole other can of 684 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 2: Worm's why he had his daughters and children in there 685 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 2: listening to the worst of the worst from the state. 686 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:19,320 Speaker 2: They all dressed in black today, And I remember prosecuting. 687 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 2: I never wore like red, yellow, vibrant orange because the 688 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 2: cases I prosecuted were all violent felonies, and it just 689 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 2: seemed wrong. It just seemed inappropriate, and so it's a 690 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 2: very solemn note. And you know that did he orchestrated 691 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 2: right down to what they were wearing. 692 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you're right, Nancy. What I will say 693 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 6: though here is that there's a little bit of performance 694 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 6: going on to with the kids. I don't want to 695 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 6: go after someone's kids for their parents' crimes, but it 696 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 6: has been on Dieted that public kids have had a 697 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 6: really amazing life because of their dad and because of 698 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 6: what their dad do and does and who they're d is. 699 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 6: These are not the von Trapp family. They have seen 700 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 6: a lot. These kids have been around his parties, they've 701 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 6: been around. 702 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: The von Trapp family. 703 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 2: Did you just you're you're talking about what the seven 704 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 2: children of. 705 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 1: Excuse me? 706 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,320 Speaker 2: And sound of music that would put on those frogs 707 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 2: and seeing and the family music. First of all, yeah, no, 708 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 2: the von Traps, they ain't. 709 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: That's true. 710 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 6: Go ahead, they ain't that. This is a family that 711 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 6: has been around money, power, fame, celebrities, sex violence. They've 712 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 6: heard their dad songs, they've wrapped along to other rap artists. 713 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 6: These are very aggressive lifestyles and they were born into 714 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 6: this lifestyle. So they're really used to seeing hearing and 715 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 6: maybe even participating in some very very very what we 716 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 6: would consider strange scenes, strange environments. So I wouldn't feel 717 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 6: too bad for the kids here. I think that they're 718 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,720 Speaker 6: part of the Combes family. It's a deal that maybe 719 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 6: they didn't want to make, they had no choice in it, 720 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 6: but they've been born into this lifestyle and they have 721 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 6: benefited from their dad's success for his money. 722 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 2: You know, I'm very surprised you brought up the von 723 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 2: Trapp family. Weren't they raised by a nun sister Maria 724 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 2: remember her aka Julie Andrews. Okay, these children have not 725 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 2: been raised by a nun. Okay, but following up on 726 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 2: what you said to me, doctor Bethany Marshall, that makes 727 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 2: me feel for these children even more so because they. 728 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: Never had what I had. 729 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 2: Of course, I grew up on a red dirt road, 730 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 2: drinking water from well my grandfather dug in the backyard. 731 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: Okay, but you know what I did have. 732 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 2: I had a mother that took care of me and 733 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,439 Speaker 2: a father. Both of them worked all day into the night, 734 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 2: came home, had we with us, and they were there 735 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 2: for me. I mean, it ain't easy for my dad 736 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 2: to work on the railroad and my mom to work. 737 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: At a factory. 738 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 2: Right, but they did, but we had love. These children 739 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 2: never had that constant in their life. Now they're sitting 740 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 2: in their dad's felony trial. A lot of people have 741 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,760 Speaker 2: asked me, Wow, how do you feel about Christian cons 742 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 2: putting you on a disc track. I didn't see it 743 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 2: that way at all. I didn't see it as a 744 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 2: disc at all. I saw it as an adult son 745 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 2: trying to take up for his father. And I actually 746 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,720 Speaker 2: feel bad that they're in that position. 747 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:38,760 Speaker 1: I need two, Nancy. 748 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,280 Speaker 3: They've been raised in a culture of sex, abuse of violence, 749 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 3: a culture of narcissism, guns, multiple mothers, house siblings. You know, 750 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,359 Speaker 3: it's just a very confusing environment. And you know this 751 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,720 Speaker 3: is going to be a therapeutic experience for them sitting 752 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,879 Speaker 3: in court because they have to take in all kinds 753 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 3: of information about it. 754 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,720 Speaker 1: You lost your mind? Have you lost your mind? 755 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:05,439 Speaker 2: You're calling your father accused of sex trafficking therapeutic? Okay, yes, 756 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 2: I call You're out the Beverly Hills and I was 757 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 2: raised on a dirt road, But iin nothing therapeutic about 758 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,760 Speaker 2: hearing the try about your father that he's tress. 759 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,360 Speaker 3: So I do, Nancy, because they have to be in reality. 760 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 3: They've been lived and they've been raised in an upside 761 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,319 Speaker 3: down world. Listen to what Agnipolos said today. Okay, so 762 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 3: when he says that Cassie Ventura was just trying to 763 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,959 Speaker 3: please her man, you know, just because your man wants 764 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 3: it and you don't, but you're going to do it 765 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 3: to make him happy. He's basically saying women need to 766 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 3: take it up. 767 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 1: Okay. 768 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 3: As an analyst, I hear all the metaphors. I help 769 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 3: those kids sitting in court carrying all this degradation of 770 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 3: women have a good therapist to talk to so they 771 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 3: can make sense of it, and all of this putting 772 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 3: women down because Cassie Ventura got twenty million dollars. You know, 773 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,280 Speaker 3: with Michael Jackson when he paid his first victim thirty 774 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 3: million dollars, we didn't say that nine. 775 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: Year old was a gold digger. 776 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 4: We said Michael Jackson must have done something. 777 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 3: Really, really bad if he paid out thirty million dollars 778 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 3: and all this money. I think it is because it's 779 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,280 Speaker 3: because P Diddy really needs to cover his tracks. 780 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: Not everyone agrees with the Didty team. 781 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 12: Listen, well, yours actually next week, we'll start deliberating. But 782 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 12: what they're going to remember is what happened at that 783 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,279 Speaker 12: hotel right behind me. 784 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 2: Tell it man, that's from Oris Apato at TikTok straight 785 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,240 Speaker 2: out to the courthouse to Sydney Sumner Crime Story's investigative reporter, 786 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 2: what happened. 787 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 9: Judge Supermanian wrapped up jury instructions and sent the five 788 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,279 Speaker 9: alternates home, of course, reminding them to stay by their 789 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 9: phones and stay off social media on the chance they 790 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 9: may be called up to the final jury. Now, the 791 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,839 Speaker 9: final jury was sent off to begin to live. They 792 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 9: needed to choose a four person before they got any 793 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,360 Speaker 9: further into their discussions, and that decision was made pretty quickly. 794 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 9: Juror number five selected as the jury four person. Now, 795 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 9: with the jury out of the room, Judge supermani and 796 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 9: did stop to congratulate both the prosecutors and the defense 797 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 9: on a case well tried and well defended before Sean 798 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 9: Colmes was sent off to his holding cell. Colmes was 799 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,839 Speaker 9: allowed to bring a book with him and he will 800 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 9: remain in that cell until the jury ends their deliberations 801 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 9: for the day or comes back with a verdict, and 802 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 9: that could be after five pm. Supermani and left their 803 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 9: schedule up to the jurors. As Colmes was led away 804 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 9: from the courtroom, his family all stood, they were holding hands, 805 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,279 Speaker 9: their heads were bowed, and when Judge Supermani and got 806 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,279 Speaker 9: off the bench, they actually started clapping before they made 807 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 9: their own way out of the courtroom. Now it wasn't 808 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 9: long before we heard some movement from the jury. They 809 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 9: actually passed a note to the judge and it expressed 810 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,360 Speaker 9: concern over one of the jurors on this final panel. 811 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,760 Speaker 9: They were afraid that Juror number twenty five cannot follow 812 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 9: the instructions that Judge Supermanian gave them. So it's unclear 813 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 9: exactly what happened in that deliberation room, but there's apparently 814 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 9: already some dissonance back there. Ultimately, Judge Supermanian didn't make 815 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 9: any move to have some kind of confrontation with Juror 816 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,919 Speaker 9: twenty five, sending a note back that just said, you've 817 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,799 Speaker 9: heard my instructions, you need to follow them. That's the 818 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,279 Speaker 9: duty that you were charged with. 819 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 1: What will the jury do? 820 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,160 Speaker 2: We are in a verdict watch and now we remember 821 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 2: an American hero officer, Jacob Chaffin's Prestonburg PD just twenty eight, 822 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 2: shot in the line of duty after three years with 823 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:49,760 Speaker 2: l E. Lee's behind, wife Savannah, and daughter Paisley. American 824 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 2: Hero officer Jacob Chaffins, Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend 825 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 11: Y.