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Speaker 1: what's going on? Welcome to Move the Sticks, DJ, Bucky

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Speaker 1: and Lance in for the show today. Although Lance, I

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Speaker 1: talk about Lance your latest mock draft. Kind of go

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Speaker 1: through that one, look at some different trends or storylines,

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Speaker 1: understand what you're saying, And who would you look at

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Speaker 1: defensively then DJ for example, in that spot for a

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Speaker 1: team like Arizona with their needs, I'm taking a tackle

432
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Speaker 1: with that pick, kept taking an offensive tackle with that pick.

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Speaker 1: I'm sing a big picture. I'm talking about free agency.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the rest of the draft. They've they've

435
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Speaker 1: got to make sure that they're allocating resources there to

436
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Speaker 1: get a defense that's that's not very good in good spot.

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Speaker 1: But there to me, I don't I don't think they

438
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Speaker 1: really have a choice because as much as we talk

439
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Speaker 1: about the depth of the offensive tackle class, trust me

440
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Speaker 1: what you look at, every team almost darn near every

441
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Speaker 1: team needs one. So if you want to if you

442
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Speaker 1: want to kick the can down the road to the

443
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Speaker 1: second round and think, oh, we've got seven tackles, we like,

444
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Speaker 1: good luck. Uh, those guys are gonna go boom boom

445
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Speaker 1: boom boom boom. Yeah, there we go, go DJ. I

446
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Speaker 1: think it's funny because you bring up a great point

447
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Speaker 1: in one that we should probably expand on them, maybe

448
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Speaker 1: another episode about not building a lopsided team. I do

449
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Speaker 1: wonder now that Kansas City has won the Super Bowl

450
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Speaker 1: and when we think about their model, right, because I

451
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Speaker 1: would say that the kN City Chiefs are a little

452
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Speaker 1: lopsided in terms of the way they're talent is kind

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Speaker 1: of distributed. They have all of this offensive talent, uh Tyrekyo,

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Speaker 1: Sammy why cans Travis Kelsey, you have the uh premier

455
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Speaker 1: quarterback and Pat Mahomes. But then really when you look

456
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Speaker 1: to their defense, I mean they have Frank Clark, they

457
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Speaker 1: have the Honey Badger. They've got three stars though. Yeah,

458
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Speaker 1: you know so, Chris Jones, Frank Clark, and the Honey

459
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 1: Badger are three legit all Pro player. No, no, so

460
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Speaker 1: I get there. So when we talk about the Arizona

461
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 1: Cardinals and building that model, they have the pass for

462
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Speaker 1: Usher and Chandler Jones. Uh, say what you want to

463
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Speaker 1: about Patrick Peterson. He could be the thing. They do

464
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Speaker 1: need another star player on the defense side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: The problem is, man, when they invested in it? What

466
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Speaker 1: Hassan Reddick? What? What? What pick did they take? Hassan

467
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Speaker 1: Reddick Like, they invested a big pick, and I mean

468
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Speaker 1: he hasn't been he hasn't been their things. So the

469
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Speaker 1: next time they do take one, if to take an

470
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Speaker 1: offensive tackle, they have to get some star power on

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Speaker 1: that side. I just thought it was interesting that you

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Speaker 1: brought that up. It's it's gonna be interesting to see

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Speaker 1: what they do there. Let's let's go Lance. Why don't

474
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Speaker 1: you rip off here? Uh, let's go. Where do we

475
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Speaker 1: get to We got to ten with the getting so

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Speaker 1: let's get to eleven of twenty. Give us eleven of

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Speaker 1: twenty here, Lansing we're off all these names, and if

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Speaker 1: I had my name, if I had my names in

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Speaker 1: front of me, I would Yeah. You've seen my setup.

480
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 1: You've seen how I'm on video. Now this is video.

481
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's such a it's such a rag

482
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Speaker 1: tag operation. First of all, he's got you can't see

483
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Speaker 1: if you're just listening right now. Lance has the karaoke

484
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Speaker 1: microphone from a local bar or they stole, uh bob

485
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 1: bark them off here McKay backed into the Jets. The

486
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Speaker 1: tackle from Louisville Jerry Judy Alabama receiver to the Raiders.

487
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Speaker 1: Uh Calevan Chase on the edge rusher to the Colts

488
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Speaker 1: Jacob Easton was interesting. One will serc back to that

489
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Speaker 1: to the Bucks quarterback from Washington Andrew Thomas tackle to

490
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Speaker 1: Denver Zack Bond the earliest I've seen him going to

491
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Speaker 1: Atlanta at sixteen, who's an edge rusher from Wisconsin. Xavier

492
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Speaker 1: McKinney safety from Alabama to the Cowboys who've been looking

493
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Speaker 1: for that safety spot. Uh DeAndre Swift to the Dolphins,

494
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Speaker 1: which Dolphins fans and critics like love that pick by Lance.

495
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Speaker 1: There Patrick Queen linebacker to the Raiders at nineteen and

496
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Speaker 1: then C. J. Henderson goes to the jack So let

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Speaker 1: let me just start here Lance. The teams with a

498
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Speaker 1: couple of picks. The Jags you have Henderson at twenty

499
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Speaker 1: and you had their other one, you had kin Laws,

500
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Speaker 1: so they have ken Law uh, and then Henderson is

501
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Speaker 1: their two picks. And then when you look at the Raiders,

502
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Speaker 1: you have the Raiders with Jerry Judy which is a

503
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 1: fun one as well as Patrick Queen. So le don't

504
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 1: just explain those the thinking they're on the teams with

505
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Speaker 1: multiple picks, Well, I think kin Laws heightweight, speed, rare,

506
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Speaker 1: physical trait type of guy. And one of the things

507
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Speaker 1: that you know, Jacksonville was built with their their front

508
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: was very, very dominant for a while and they've kind

509
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Speaker 1: of gotten away from that where there their front isn't

510
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Speaker 1: as scary as it once was, nor is the secondary obviously,

511
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: especially with Jalen Ramsey out. So in this particular instance,

512
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 1: you know they've done some things to try to to

513
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Speaker 1: to build up the offense. We know DJ Chark really

514
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: came on. Um. You can say what you want about

515
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Speaker 1: the quarterback situation, but they are they are trying to

516
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 1: address that over the last two years. So we'll see

517
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 1: if that. If that sticks, they spent money in draft

518
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Speaker 1: capital on their offensive line. Well, let's take a look

519
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 1: at the defense now. And ken Law gives you that big,

520
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: potentially uh dominant, violent body in the middle of the defense,

521
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: but he's still a little bit of a projection with C. J. Henderson.

522
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Speaker 1: I think C. J. Henderson to me has some of

523
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: the same athletic attributes as a J. Boullier, but he

524
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: is even more fluid athletically. And and I think his

525
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: tape is so fun to watch because it really doesn't

526
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Speaker 1: look like c. J. Henderson very much. You you don't

527
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Speaker 1: see many cornerbacks who move who have the size that

528
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Speaker 1: he has, who they have the twitch, the long speed.

529
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Speaker 1: I I really like c. J. Henderson, and I think

530
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Speaker 1: this is a good pick for them to help shore

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Speaker 1: up the back end of their defense. Um if he's

532
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Speaker 1: available at number twenty, so Jacks have to get better

533
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Speaker 1: on defense. Frankly, I looked at it and said, let's

534
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Speaker 1: just as a unit, let's get better on the defensive

535
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Speaker 1: side of the ball this year. Yeah. Yeah, because I

536
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Speaker 1: think what he's doing is you're building on strength, like

537
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Speaker 1: Bill strength on strength, Meaning the Jaguars were at their

538
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Speaker 1: best when the defense was the carrying the way. They

539
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: got to make sure they get back to that. I

540
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: am sure Nedda Dave Cole is back kind of reinserted

541
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Speaker 1: as the leader of team building. I certainly think that

542
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 1: they want to get back to getting those stars on

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Speaker 1: the defense out of the ball. All right. The other

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Speaker 1: question I forgot about you. Obviously, the Miami Dolphins u

545
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Speaker 1: with three first rounders. So let's get you. They have

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Speaker 1: two of you have t A going at five. Um.

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Speaker 1: Then we just mentioned you have DeAndre Swift at eighteen. Uh.

548
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Speaker 1: And then we get to their last one, which is

549
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Speaker 1: twenty six. Is Josh Jones, the offensive tackle from Houston,

550
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Speaker 1: who Lance has been a big proponent of and actually

551
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: got me to go back and do some more work on.

552
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: And uh. One of the there's always a handful of

553
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: these guys were too high, too low early in the process.

554
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Speaker 1: And and Lance, you nailed that one because he was

555
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Speaker 1: great at the Senior Bowl. And uh, and definitely somebody

556
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Speaker 1: that's in the first round mix. He was good. He

557
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: was good in day two. He struggled in Day one.

558
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Speaker 1: But I think that's important to note about the Senior Bowl.

559
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: It's not unusual to see offensive lineman really struggle. I

560
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: saw it with Shaq Mason way back in the day

561
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: when he was really not good in day one, and

562
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Speaker 1: then day two and day three he was so much better.

563
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 1: That happens frequently with offensive lineman where they get a

564
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: lot better in day two and day three than they

565
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,719
Speaker 1: are in in in day one once they get acclimated.

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Speaker 1: But to you know, to stay with Miami two is

567
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Speaker 1: the quarterback of the future right when I've got DeAndre Swift,

568
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: who I think is the best running back in this

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Speaker 1: draft to kind of hold the water offensively uh for

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins while to uh red shirts because in my

571
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: world he's red shirting, and then I need someone to

572
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: take over the Laramie Tunsle spot. So in an ironic twist,

573
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get the offensive lineman from the University of

574
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Speaker 1: Houston after trading that and getting that pick from the

575
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Speaker 1: Houston Texans. And so now I've got my left tackle

576
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Speaker 1: in the future for my quarterback of the future, and

577
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: I got a running back who can handle the heavy lifting. Now,

578
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: the analytics crew, uh is not a fan of that.

579
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: And and truth be told, is somebody, yeah, they're they're

580
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Speaker 1: not big fans and truth, I'm not necessarily I'm not

581
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Speaker 1: opposed to their line of thinking either. I was here

582
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: in Houston with you know I live here and watched

583
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 1: Alex Gibbs do his thing here. I'm a big fan

584
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: of Torrell Davis and what was done there in the

585
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos. I'm a big fan of of Arian Foster

586
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: and undrafted free agent who was the best running back

587
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: in the league for a couple of years there, certainly

588
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: one of the top two, top three. So I understand

589
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: you can find running backs. I'm not saying you can't.

590
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: I do think there are certain running backs who are differentiators.

591
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: And when you have multiple picks, that's when I actually

592
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: like And this is one of the reasons I gave

593
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,959
Speaker 1: the Dolphins a running back if they had one picking around,

594
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: or even two picks, I said, they have so much

595
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: draft capital that I'm gonna go get a guy that

596
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: I really like, who's a three down back who doesn't

597
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: have a lot of tread off the tires by the

598
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: way over there in Georgia. That's one of the reasons

599
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: I actually I actually thought a little differently DJ with

600
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: with running back at number eighteen there. Yeah, and it's

601
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: interesting I want to make this point because Buck, we've

602
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: talked about this before, and I think this gets lost,

603
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: And because we've talked about the running backs, and Bucky

604
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 1: specifically has talked about the value of a running back

605
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: and how there he doesn't necessarily agree with the bullets

606
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: that these guys take the thing that I would say,

607
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: and I think we're in agreement on this, Buck, We're

608
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: not against We're not like the people that say you

609
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: shouldn't take running backs. And and everybody's come out and said, uh, well,

610
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: look they're the rams and out that there's a report

611
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: out there they're trying to trade Todd Gurley, David Johnson's

612
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: gonna get cut from from the Arizona Cardinals, Levian Bell

613
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: his second contract hasn't worked out. I'm not I'm saying

614
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: I'm okay with with drafting one. I'm not okay with

615
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: giving these guys ginormous extensions. There one one contract guys

616
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: that to me is like, let's get them. You can

617
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,719
Speaker 1: even franchise him for your Melvin Gordon is another example

618
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: of somebody who, uh, the second contract. You know that

619
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: that whole thing that happened last year. So Buck, are

620
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: we are? Are you on the same page with me

621
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: on this one in terms of I don't I don't

622
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: have any hatred towards guys that want to take a

623
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: running back early if they're gonna win a bunch of

624
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: games and write until the wheels fall off. But when

625
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: you want to pay him money on the second contract,

626
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: then I got a problem. We'll see. That was yeah,

627
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: that was That was the entire point, Uh, that I

628
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: would make. I think is a smartyr investment to draft

629
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: a really good running back high. Uh, take him to

630
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: the term so the terms of five year Ricky deal. Well,

631
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: in year going into year five, draft another one high

632
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: and then let the guy that is previously established go on.

633
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's the way that um it should

634
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: be done. Look, you're talking about a position where they

635
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: take more bullets than any other position in football, and

636
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: so I'm not opposed to drafting them high. I think

637
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: the devaluation the the entire conversation UM box me down

638
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: is when you don't want to draft the high and

639
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: you don't want to pay him. At some point, I'm

640
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: saying you have to invest in the talent. I just

641
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: think it's better to invest it in the front end

642
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: as opposed to the back end. And I think something

643
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: else here DJ that's important is that I would think

644
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: that the analytics crew, because it is about value. I

645
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: would think that people look at that first contract and

646
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: you see the amount on the first contract, and if

647
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: a player, if player A is better than player B.

648
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: Now the argument is there's no difference. Well, maybe in

649
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: zone schemes you can find those kind of guys. You

650
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: gotta have one cut, vision, courage, and burst, that's what

651
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: you need. But I think if you want a guy

652
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: to carry the do the heavy lifting and carry your offense, uh,

653
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: there is a tremendous potential value in having one contract

654
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: that last six potential years because when you advertise the

655
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: amount of money over six years, even if you give them,

656
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: even if you give them a franchise year, which is

657
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: not a ridiculous number on the franchise year, the value

658
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: that you're getting out of that first contract until their

659
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: age is pretty strong. So I think that's one of

660
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: the things I would argue in favor of Swift to

661
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: the to the Dolphins. Yeah, and look that this is

662
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: a year to tensioning because there is a pretty good

663
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: depth here at the running back position. So maybe that

664
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: would lead people to push the running backs down a

665
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: little bit lower. I also, um, there's the theory out

666
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: there too that you don't want to draft that running

667
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: back until you're ready to win, because you want his

668
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: five good years to be worth something instead of throwing

669
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: away his best years on a bad team. You want

670
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: your you want your your best back to be dropped

671
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: in once you have a team that's ready to win.

672
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: So interesting running backs, All right, let's get let's get

673
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: to the end of I'll get to the rest of

674
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: the mock draft here then and we'll have a brief discussion.

675
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: Then we'll move on. Uh we get to twenty one.

676
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb to the Eagles. What a steal that would be.

677
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: Tee Higgins to the Bills. Receiver from Clemson going to Buffalo.

678
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: UH center Caesar Ruise from Michigan going to the Patriots.

679
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: Henry Ruggs. I will I will put a side bet

680
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: with Lance that he will not get to pick number

681
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: twenty four the Orleans Saints. UH number twenty five. Jalen Johnson,

682
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: corner from Utah. Really like him going to the Vikings.

683
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: Josh Jones we mentioned going to the Dolphins. The big

684
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: tackle a j F Panessa. Interesting player, edge rusher from

685
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: Iowa going to Seattle. Kenneth Murray the linebacker going to

686
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: the Ravens. They love Oklahoma players. Camp Danceler new name

687
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: out there. Uh, some people might not be as familiar

688
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: with him. From Mississippi State going to the Titans. Justin

689
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: Jefferson another wide out from l s U going to

690
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: the Packers. Jonathan Taylor running back from Wisconsin goes to

691
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. They get even faster. And Trevon Diggs the

692
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: corner from Alabama goes to the forty Niners. Bucky, y'all

693
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: looking at that list there, what stands out to you? Well,

694
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: what stands out to me? Um? A couple of things

695
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: like the corners. Uh. We always talk about the runtal

696
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: corners and when that's going to happen. And I think

697
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: when you see Jalen Johnson going to the Minnesota Vikings, Uh,

698
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: Trevon Diggs going to the San Francisco for the Niners,

699
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: and then dance They're going to the Tennessee Titans. As

700
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: much as we talk about UM the offensive guys, I

701
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: think more and more teams are not only seeing the

702
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: value of these long, athletic corners, but guys have to

703
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: be able to play man demand. Where we used to

704
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: talk about zone corners and ball hawks and those things,

705
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: right now you have to have the de catholetes on

706
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: the outside and in each of the guys that Lance

707
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: is kind of inserted and slided into the mock draft,

708
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: all long arms, great athletes, guys that kind of excel

709
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,479
Speaker 1: the playing man demand. I think the league has been

710
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: trending that way, but even now, more than ever, we're

711
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: seeing more teams play man demand. These corners that we're

712
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: evaluating a little less about balls deals and more about

713
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: the quickness to length in the ability to play look

714
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: long arm tall. They're all six ft also, so you're

715
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: talking about six ft corners with long arms that that

716
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: play man. That's what goes in the first round if

717
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: they're talented enough, and and I think, um, you know

718
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: with let me go through each of them very very quickly,

719
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: starting off with Jalen Johnson. Jalen Johnson to me has

720
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: what you want. He just in terms of staying in phase,

721
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: he's still he's still a little almost top heavy as

722
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: momentum just carries him a little bit. So I think

723
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: there are different ways that you can play him and

724
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: get maximum value. But he's physical, he's smart, and he

725
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: can make plays on the football. Um, I'm gonna go Diggs,

726
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: who was the last pick before I get back to Dancers.

727
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: I want a little bit longer with Danceler Digs. I

728
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: really love Diggs. I just think there are certain there

729
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: are certain matchups that are gonna be a little trickier

730
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: for him. And he's for being a big corner. He's

731
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: very athletic, and I think if you're San Francisco, you

732
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: can look at Diggs and say, look, he can fit

733
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: the Richard Sherman model. You could play him cover three

734
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,719
Speaker 1: and take over Richard Sherman, but you can roll him

735
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: into a free safety role. I think, Um, he's got

736
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: the size. I think he's tough enough. So the instincts

737
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: I believe are are there enough to play that as well.

738
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: So if you're drafting Digs for me, and they did

739
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: this with tre Various More, you say, okay. With More,

740
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: they said he's a safety who we're gonna try to

741
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: play corner. With Diggs, I'd say, let's play him at

742
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: corner and if we need to or want to in

743
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: the future, let's roll him over to safety. Yeah, he

744
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: could he could fail his way into playing safety. But

745
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: I just think to me, you put him in like

746
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: a zone and his own scheme where he can use

747
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: his length, his instincts, and his ball skills. As a

748
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: former receiver. Obviously everybody knows Stefon Diggs brother there. He's

749
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: got phenomenal ball skills. So I like him when he's

750
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: got his eyes on the quarterback and can see back

751
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: through the receiver. So you look at a team, you

752
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: look at the Seattle scheme that is all over the

753
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 1: league right now, I think they're gonna love him. Book. Yeah,

754
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: So that's why when you when you have that like

755
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: look for those teams, like I know we we have

756
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: them uh slotted to Jacksonville right now c J. Hannis plan.

757
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: But I mean there's so many different ways where he

758
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: could go. He may be valued more than some people

759
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: on the outside would recognize, just because when it comes

760
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: down to fit in scheme, his length, his ball skills,

761
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: his athleticism certainly fits into that cover three system that

762
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: Seattle has made famous. Bucky, I want to ask you

763
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: this because I hear this a lot from fans and

764
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: and if you're a casual vier on TV, I can

765
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: understand the problem you have with this when you see

766
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 1: a lot of Cover three stuff and you see the

767
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: side shuffle and their way back off the receiver, and

768
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: it looks like easy throws, and you're giving them easy

769
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 1: money all day long. Why do defensive coordinators and why

770
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: do teams prefer Can you talk about that scheme for

771
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: a second and who fits it and why they finished so? So,

772
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: the reason why the scheme has been so popular is because,

773
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 1: like what Pete Carroll and those guys did is they

774
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: created basically a matchup zone uh when they made that

775
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: hybrid Cover three systems. So what they did is they played, uh,

776
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: Cover three is basically three deep defenders, four underneath defenders.

777
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: Seattle changed it by putting their corners and basically press

778
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: or press bail where they took away the easy throws

779
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: on the outside and they had their corners execute what

780
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: it's called a re technique where they're kind of looking

781
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: through number two, the inside receiver. If he goes vertical,

782
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 1: they go vertical. If not, they just kind of match

783
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: up and play man demand on their guys. The reason

784
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: why you want the Richard Sherman type corner is because

785
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: when you think about putting your best corner into the

786
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: boundary into the short side of the field. What you

787
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: want them to do is to be able to jam, disrupt,

788
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: lock up, and then because they're always kind of trailing,

789
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: the length enables them to get those breakups and p

790
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: b U s and also make plays on tips and overthrows.

791
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: And so that's why it's imperative that in that system

792
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: you have those long six ft corners that forced quarterbacks

793
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: to make these tight window throws, and those their length

794
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: makes them overthrow it, which leads to more interceptions or

795
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: tips and deflections. All right, get get get to dancler

796
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: get to your little love child there Land. It's only

797
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: fitting that your your video shot right now, you're literally

798
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: it's just a floating face because you're wearing a white background.

799
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: It's like you're you're in a heavenly body right now.

800
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: It's only fitting as you talk about Danceler. There we go.

801
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: I'll just get so I have the entire entire thing going.

802
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: So Cam Danceler first and foremost Tennessee is probably gonna

803
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: reach out and say, hey, uh, Simmons, what do you

804
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: know about your teammate danceler and dancers well liked on

805
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: the team. From what I've been told, so Simmons will

806
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: give him, you know, a plus when it comes to Tennessee.

807
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: Tennessee has anit at cornerback as well. Whatever. What I

808
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: really like about Cam Danceler is he's another one of

809
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: these six one corners, very very long. Now he's in

810
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty pound Range's about a d that's

811
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: gonna bother some teams, and I totally get it. What

812
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: really surprised me when I watched tape was when I

813
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: turned on the L. S U tape. Because the good

814
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: thing about having a cornerback from the SEC is I

815
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: get to watch them against Sometimes I get to watch

816
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: him against Old Burrow and TWA. And this was the

817
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: case with Cam Dancler. I was able to watch these

818
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: incredible wide receivers from from A and M, I mean

819
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: from L. S U and these incredible wide receivers from

820
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: Alabama with one cornerback, and let me tell you, they

821
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: completed three passes for twenty one yards on him combined.

822
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: Both teams and Jamaar Chase did not get off get

823
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: not get off pressed very well at all. Can Dancer

824
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: for being a hundred and eighties something pound cornerback is

825
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: very strong at the point of attack, and he can

826
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 1: really jam up and slow down and redirect the route.

827
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: And that's what he did to Jamaar Chase on multiple occasions. Now,

828
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: truth be told, college officials let you get away with

829
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: murder for cornerbacks. And if you've watched a lot of tape,

830
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: any of the guys here can tell you that it's

831
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: amazing what what is allowed to take place. But he

832
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: did this within the first five yards, which I thought

833
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: was pretty impressive. Teams went away from him. He's got

834
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,479
Speaker 1: ball skills, he's got range, he's got pretty good speed. Um,

835
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: I wish you were in the hundred night four pound

836
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: range in that neighborhood. He's not He's not the toughest

837
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: and run support I've seen, but he's okay. But I

838
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 1: think his ability to to to kind of Darius slay

839
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: this and and play one on one man demand physical

840
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: and with length, to me, I think you'll hear more

841
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: and more talk about Cam Dancer. I have already heard

842
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: from a team that doesn't love him because of the

843
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: size and they're worried about durability, and I get that,

844
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: but I'm trying to find guys who can make plays

845
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: on the football, who are long and who fit the

846
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: mode that we've been talking about. So he's on my

847
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,959
Speaker 1: circle back list. Buck Uh, he's on my circle back list.

848
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: I did. I have not seen either one of those games.

849
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: I did him early in the in the process, and

850
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: I did him against the powerhouses of Louisiana Lafayette and

851
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: Southern miss Uh. So those are the two tapes that

852
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: I watched, and my notes that I have is very aware,

853
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 1: instinctive and zone had nice pick against Lafayette. Um he's

854
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: very fluid when he opens up. Uh, he flashes that

855
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: aggressive two hand jam that that lance was referring to.

856
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 1: Very tall, very lean. But here with the two things

857
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 1: in that game that bothered me. Number one, his feet

858
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: wide and impress, which is a really bad habit. When

859
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 1: that happens, you've got to break that because you're dead

860
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: if you if your your first step is both your

861
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: feet hop out, that's that's that's poor habits. You's got

862
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: to clean that up. The other thing was he lost

863
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: in that game, um so somebody his size and length

864
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: that was I didn't love seeing that. Uh. And then

865
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: in Southern Mess he actually ended up getting hurt in

866
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: that game, but played well um, I just thought sometimes

867
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 1: when he's on blocks, he's just he played. He just play.

868
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: Strength was a little bit of a concern there when

869
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: he get locked up a little bit that way. So

870
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: I liked him, I didn't love him, but I will

871
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: definitely go back and watch the better opponents they played

872
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: later on in the year. And that's the other thing

873
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: about what we do is that we have to get

874
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: started earlier. So some of their best opponents and some

875
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: of the toughest opponents aren't until later in the year.

876
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: And so that is a tricky part because there's a

877
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: Kansas guard tackle to guard that I I'm just kind

878
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 1: of so so on. But there's people, yeah, some other

879
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: people who really who really like him, and so I

880
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: looked at him early on. I need to go back

881
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: and watch him later as well. That's that's not that's

882
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: not unusual. There will probably be eight to ten players

883
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: like that. I need to go back on Troutman, watch

884
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: him a little bit more the tight end. So that's

885
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: not unusual for that to happen. Okay, I got what

886
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: I have a name because I was wondering if I

887
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: was crushing out on my on my on my own yesterday,

888
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: So I popped in the tape of Jordan Elliott from Missouri.

889
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: Oh love him, Okay, And so I'm sitting here and

890
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, we first step quickness, burst, plays at

891
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: the angles movement. I just see him do all of

892
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: this active stuff. So then I'm like, well, let me

893
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: go see the production. In the production in terms of sack,

894
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: production and stuff, is not that he only has five

895
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: and a half career sex And so in my notes,

896
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, is he a boom a bus guy?

897
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: Because he is talented. There's no denying the talent, the

898
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: way that he moves, the way he's active, he works angles.

899
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: And then I did Doug a little deeper. I knew

900
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: he was a tramp. He's a transfer from Texas. Uh.

901
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: They talked about his immature, but I mean Lance, I'm

902
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: sure DJ, I don't know if you've seen him yet,

903
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: but this kid, yeah, this this kid is talented. And

904
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here saying, like going into the combent, like,

905
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: who's someone who could be one of those slept on

906
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: guys that kind of rises up the ranks. I just

907
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: believe Jordan Elliott from Missouri, number one in the Program,

908
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: number one in Your Horse as well, like he is.

909
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: He's a dude. I like him. I'll jump in watch

910
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: three games I watched. I watched go ahead Lance well

911
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: I so I liked him as well. I gave him

912
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: what would be a high six three, which is the

913
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: second round pick. I think he's really talented. I saw

914
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: the same things you did. I was a little worried

915
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: about the rush production. I talked to his D line

916
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: coach who coached for years. We coached with the Chicago Bears,

917
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: for example in the NFL, and he we talked about

918
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: his hand usage, because I'm sure that stood out to

919
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: you as well. Buck. He is, he's, he's, he's he's

920
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: nice with the hands and he's not always the case

921
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: and he's got big hands. He's nice with him, he's quick,

922
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: you can see skilled. His D line coach says, Oh,

923
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: he's going to get better with the hands. But they

924
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 1: had some read and react stuff that they were doing,

925
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: and so I think he's going to get better as

926
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: a pass rusher. I don't think he's gonna be a

927
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: great pass rusher. I think he'll be solid, but I

928
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: think he is really going to be um a tough

929
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: guy to deal with on early downs. As a run stopper.

930
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: And you know that's no different than Geron Reid was

931
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: and a Sean Robinson when they were second round picks.

932
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: So um, and and this, and he's lost weight from

933
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: when he transferred. Yeah, he was a big boy. And

934
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: he looks good now. He looks good on the hoof.

935
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: So um. I think he's one of those guys to me,

936
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: that is a solid second round defensive tackle, one of

937
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 1: the guys that i'd circle as well as a player

938
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 1: that I that I want. I did him the other day.

939
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: He right now when I look at my stack, he's

940
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: between fifty and sixty for me, which puts him middle

941
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: to late second round where I have him. And I

942
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: like agree with a lot of the stuff you guys said,

943
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 1: um a little. He plays up and down the line

944
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: of scrimmage, um, stack and shed he's got, he can penetrate,

945
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: he's quick, Uh flashes a little one arm stab and

946
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: and uh and finished there they move him out. I

947
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: like him in and sometimes they move him off the edge.

948
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: I didn't think he had enough juice to come off

949
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,879
Speaker 1: there when they used him over there. And the only

950
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: other the only thing that I think him on a

951
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: little bit was the Georgia game. I thought his effort

952
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: was a little spotty in that one, which which those guys, man,

953
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: I love it if they could uh go all out

954
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: when they can let me your snaps a little bit.

955
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: But I watched Georgia Missouri, Arkansas, and uh, Lance, you

956
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: gave him a six three. I have him as a

957
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: six too, So he's right, he's right. We're speaking the

958
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: same language because you gotta go at worst. He's gonna

959
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: go in the second round. Buck. That's funny. So accord

960
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: to the old grade skille we're used in Seattle, I

961
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: gave him a six nine, which is kind of like

962
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: top of the second round. Uh, it's kind of like

963
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: not to the line, but it's it's in that top

964
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: forty stuff. And I think, um, when I look at

965
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: the athleticism, uh, because it's just hard to find guys

966
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: at death size they have the movement skills in that

967
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: short area. And then you throw the fact that he

968
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: is he is a bit of a Mr. Miyagi when

969
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: it comes to his hands. He has all that wax

970
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: on wax off stuff, and it's just hard to find

971
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: guys who have that. So when you come in the

972
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: league already knowing how to use your hands. It just

973
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: gives you an advantage. Um, He's just one to kind

974
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: of keep an eye on it because there's always kind

975
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: of like a flood of these underclassman that you kind

976
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: of lose sight of. Some guys, He's one that I

977
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: think people need to kind of keep an eye on

978
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: because he could be one of those surprise picks if

979
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: people like who what, but everyone inside kind of understands

980
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: what he could bring to the table. How would you

981
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: guys compare him to Blacklock if you've done it from TCU,

982
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: because I like Blacklock a little bit better than him.

983
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: Pretty I think Blacklock gives you Yeah, Blacklock is a

984
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 1: guy that I The one thing I worry about is

985
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: he's not a big guy, and he is, at least

986
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: this year. He's lighter this year than he had been

987
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: the year previous, and he's got some some medical stuff

988
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: in his background as well. He hasn't played a lot

989
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: of football. Frankly, Um tremendous, tremendous lateral quickness, tremendous ability

990
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: to gap it up. I think they're very different players though,

991
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: because Jordan Elliott is a grown man, so you want

992
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: to come downhill at him you're gonna have your hands

993
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 1: full with Blacklock. I thought black Clock struggled when people

994
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: got Downhill on him. But if he's in the gap,

995
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: and if he's in the right scheme, which you assume,

996
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: you know, teams that that recognize his strengths are going

997
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: to run that kind of defense. So I think Blacklock

998
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: is the only The only problem I have is I

999
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: think that Jordan Elliott holds up against NFL size Blacklock.

1000
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: To me, I'm still a little bit concerned because I

1001
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: saw him get pushed around and moved around Um a

1002
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: little bit. You know, I think he comps with was

1003
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: it Triston Hill who came from a That's who he

1004
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: reminded me of a little bit. He's better, He's better,

1005
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 1: But I just said a guy who flat, who pops

1006
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: up and flashes because Triston Hill was a pretty I

1007
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 1: thought Triston Hill was a pretty good player last year. Yeah,

1008
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: he's he's he's an interesting prospect. So and looking at

1009
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: my grades on both guys because in black Clock, UM,

1010
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: I talked about big, athletic, high motor Africot loved his

1011
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: first step, quickness, explosive, quick hands, feed I saw him

1012
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: as a one game penetrated because you're so active at

1013
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, strong versus of run, good hands

1014
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: and stacking ship. Interestingly, I had Jordan Elliott at the

1015
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: six nine and black Blacklock at a six five, so

1016
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: that would be the difference between the top of the

1017
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: second round in the middle of the second round and

1018
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: it'll seattle. By the way, DJ, I was not talking

1019
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: about Blacklock and Tristan. I was talking about Jalen and

1020
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: Tristan um Elliott. I mean Jordan Elly. I think Jordan

1021
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: Elliott and Tristan I thought you're talking about black No, no,

1022
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: no body type wise, they kind of remind me the same,

1023
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, I think they play similar. He FLEs on you. Yeah, no,

1024
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: he thought I was getting that's his man, Blacklock is

1025
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: his guy. Here's here's my thing. When I go, when

1026
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: I go look and I saw it. I saw Iowa State.

1027
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: I saw Blacklock get crushed by some double teams in

1028
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: that game. But when I go back through my notes

1029
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: and I see words like burst, twitch, explosive, and all

1030
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: caps several times like that to me is that's the

1031
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: NFL what That's what I want, man. I give me disruptors,

1032
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: give me guys that are gonna be difference makers on

1033
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,919
Speaker 1: the other side of the line of scrimmage. And this dude.

1034
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: All my notes littered through here is about how twitched up, explosive,

1035
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: and and juicy this guy is. That's that's my that's

1036
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: my cup of tea for he's a little polarizing note

1037
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, DJ, it's funny talking to

1038
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: some different scouts. Some people really love him and some

1039
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: people are are a little concerned. Now, I also think

1040
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 1: that has to do with what defense you run, because

1041
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: I think he's he is a one gap up the

1042
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: field type of guy. That's who he is. You're not

1043
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: gonna like him. You know you're not gonna like him

1044
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: if you're on a defense. So you want guys to

1045
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: make plays, Yeah, you fit's your scheme. You're gonna like him.

1046
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: Here we go, Bucky, this is totally different schools. I

1047
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: thought you can have totally difference. This is your guy.

1048
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: I get it. You can. You can put your little

1049
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: wristar on him. So wristar wristar for DV. So we know,

1050
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: guys who who wants to talk about Blacklock. I'll take him.

1051
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: I'll take him. Yeah, let me get him A segment

1052
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: come come by coverage is going to be great when

1053
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you better test well or I'm gonn I

1054
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 1: might jump out of the booth. This is a guy

1055
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: that you really like here, don't you know? Rich put

1056
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: it up on a TV him. That's too good? All right,

1057
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: let's uh. I wanted to do a couple of these

1058
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: other discussions here real quick, but guys, I know we're

1059
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: running out of time, so we're gonna have to ditch them.

1060
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: But just one quick thought, buck on on the importance

1061
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: of marrying up your free agent board with the draft

1062
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: board and take people behind the curtain a little bit.

1063
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: What takes place when you're going to these free agency

1064
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,439
Speaker 1: meetings as we go into draft meetings and so so DJ,

1065
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: if we think about it, like say, the three of

1066
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: us are all working together, and so let's just say

1067
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: I'll be the pro director, land you to college director,

1068
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: and DJ will let you be the general manager. So

1069
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: as we're sitting in the room and we're beginning to

1070
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: talk about a what are off season plans? Naturally, DJ,

1071
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: you'll come to me with a question about like, hey,

1072
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: what's out there in free agency at offensive tackle? And

1073
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, Ay, there's not a lot here.

1074
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: The guys that are here are probably your backup types

1075
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: or whatever. That conversation and then we'll go from you

1076
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: talking to Lance, Lance what's available in the market. When

1077
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: it comes to offense tackle said, Hey, this is a

1078
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: really good draft for us offensive tackles. Where does it

1079
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: get thin at? Can we find a guy that potentially

1080
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: can start in the second in the third round? And

1081
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: then with that information, it begins to help you kind

1082
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: of hone in on what are our strategies, What do

1083
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: we want to do in the off season. We have

1084
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: a ton of holes to field. Are we better to

1085
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: use our capital and free agency or would it be

1086
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: better to say, Hey, there's more than enough for us

1087
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: to get in the draft, let's find another position in

1088
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: free agency to target. So it's that conversation trying to

1089
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: assess the supplying demand in the free agent market, uh,

1090
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 1: where the pro department comes in, and then also having

1091
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: that same conversation supplying to man when it comes to

1092
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: the draft. Then you take all the information and you

1093
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: try and put a plan in place that enables you

1094
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: to really fortify your squad using the best means for

1095
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: whatever position. And Lance ideally you want to use free

1096
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: agency to least have placeholders at every position. If you can.

1097
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 1: You might not love what you have, but you can

1098
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: line up and play a game. To me that if

1099
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: you go into the draft, the teams that are in

1100
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: the best shape are the teams that go into the

1101
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: draft in April that can line up and play a game.

1102
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: As as silly as that sounds, but they have enough

1103
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: right now they can line up and play, which frees

1104
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: you up to uh, you know, not to not be

1105
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: you know, beholden to taking this exact position early in

1106
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: the draft, or you can't line up and play. So

1107
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: that that's what the challenges for these teams in free agency.

1108
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: So as someone who has had to put together team

1109
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: needs um for NFL dot Com, I didn't have to

1110
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: do it last year and luckily I haven't had to

1111
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: do it this year. I will before the draft, but

1112
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: I used to have to do it before free agency.

1113
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: And then after free agency you're like, well, now that's

1114
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: you gotta hit complete everything that you expected to be

1115
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: in need, you know, six of them. You start saying, well, now,

1116
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if this one's a need anymore. It

1117
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: kind of is, but kind of is it? And I

1118
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: think that's the that's the point. Teams don't want to

1119
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: be predictable. A they don't want to be as you mentioned,

1120
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: beholding to a position. But if you can get you know,

1121
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: there's place holders, and then there's average starters or slightly

1122
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: below average starters, and then there's guys you know, you

1123
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 1: you you could still follow up at that position and say,

1124
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: let's get a guy that we can you know, make

1125
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: him competition and we expect him to win what we

1126
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: would consider a six two or a six three player

1127
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: maybe who could be a starter within uh, you know,

1128
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: within two years. This guy can be in here and starting.

1129
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: So once you have free agency taken care of and

1130
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,439
Speaker 1: you know that you can go into the draft without

1131
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: being predictable, it also allows you the freedom of maneuvering

1132
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: around without having teams know exactly what you need. You know,

1133
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: here with the Houston Texans, for example, everyone in the

1134
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: world knew they had to have a tackle. So they're

1135
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: sitting there and and they're just sitting there like a

1136
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: lame duck and Andre Dillard is falling to them. And

1137
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: I thought John Taylor was as well, although he wasn't

1138
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: a left tack one. Apparently the Texans didn't know one

1139
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: in the first round, liked him enough to take them

1140
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: the first But it was easy for the Yeah, but

1141
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: it was easy for the Eagles to know. We just

1142
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: got to get ahead of the Texans. There's no question

1143
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: what they have to do. They have to do that,

1144
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: and uh, I think it's important that you do operate

1145
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: in such a way that you don't have to be

1146
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: desperate on draft day. You really don't want to, and

1147
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: that's what free agency allows you to do. But we

1148
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: know some teams will go get the Tier one guys,

1149
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: and I think the smart teams are the ones who

1150
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: go get the tier two guys because second wave is

1151
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: where you find your best deals. But you gotta have them,

1152
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you absolutely have to have. You just got

1153
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: You just gotta make good decisions. You have to be

1154
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: able to weigh both of them, and you hope that

1155
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: you can make a plan that enables you to cover

1156
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: all your bases and maybe get some upgrades well along

1157
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: the way. I want to ask you guys this because

1158
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: I had a team tell me this. They believe in

1159
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: getting the board set as quickly as possible, so scouts

1160
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: cannot get wishy washy and change grades because they start

1161
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: scouting with their ears and they start getting impacted by

1162
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 1: what they hear. They want their grades turn in and

1163
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 1: up there. What do you guys think of that? Yeah,

1164
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 1: it's smart. That's what every team does. We were gonna,

1165
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: you know, do a longer discussion on this. We can

1166
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: save it for another day. But the cliff notes version

1167
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: is it's it's it's the anchoring philosophy, right. You want

1168
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 1: to get the board up and so there's an anchor

1169
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 1: that's set and that way you can't drift. You're gonna change.

1170
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: Guys are gonna move around on that board. As you

1171
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: get more information, you see, get official heights and weights

1172
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: on the underclassmen, see these guys all run um, get

1173
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: a chance to interview them, you're gonna have a movement.

1174
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: You're gonna have more people come in and watch, and

1175
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: that can influence the board. But I'll tell you what.

1176
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: When you get the boards set up there right now,

1177
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: which teams are doing before the combine, the anchor is

1178
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: set buck and so then you're not gonna have guys

1179
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: that you have in the sixth round. Uh you know

1180
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: range for you know, teams that do it round wise

1181
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: end up in the first round. You're not. They might

1182
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: go from the sixth round of the fourth round, you

1183
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: might go from the seventy five player to the fifty

1184
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: five player, but you're not gonna have that dramatic swing

1185
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: because you've got it anchored up to the board. Yeah,

1186
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: I think that's it, uh DJ. We we've talked about it, like,

1187
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer that you should put the pin

1188
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: down after the Senior Bowl, After that Senior Bowl, the

1189
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: final snap, after you go through the tape, whatever it

1190
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: is you feel on the player after that point, put

1191
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 1: your pin down and don't make any adjustments to your

1192
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: notes or anything like that, because what happens is now

1193
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: we're in the park where it now becomes a track meet,

1194
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: and so those big beautiful bodies and guys running up

1195
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: and down the thing that the catholetes, all those guys

1196
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: have a tendency to rise. If you hadn't put the

1197
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: pin down, you haven't submitted your great because you fall

1198
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: in love with the athleticism and you forget about how

1199
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: they played. And I think the teams that are the

1200
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: best drafters keep the focus on how a player plays,

1201
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: how do they play that final season, how do they

1202
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: play the previous season is leading up to that. The

1203
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: farther you get away from the regular season, the more

1204
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: likely the mistakes are to be made. That's why as

1205
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 1: soon as the Senior Bowl is done within a week

1206
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: and so put the pin down. Don't allow the combine

1207
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: and pro the workouts to impact and influence what your

1208
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: final great will be. There you go, Uh, fun discussion there,

1209
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: fun episode. Lance. We appreciate you joining us, Bucky. Heck

1210
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: of an effort by you getting through the look at waiting.

1211
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: I waited through the traffic, the parking lot, the parking lot,

1212
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: hit me jammed up. Lance. I'll let you go back

1213
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: to your heavenly home there as you continue to glow

1214
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: on my screen. Wait, wait for your stuff, just float

1215
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: off the screen here by the way, Lance, before we go, Um,

1216
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: what would uh? Can you just give me a little

1217
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: taste here? I just need a little I know it's coming,

1218
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: I know it's coming, just to I know. But can

1219
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: you can you do can you read my report on

1220
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: or just just could you? You don't have my report

1221
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: in front of you, but if you could just talk

1222
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: about my opinion about Blacklock in my favorite voice, please?

1223
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: Former l A Dodger in Houston nastro Jose Lima, that

1224
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: would be correct. Blacklock is unbelievable. He's he's so fast,

1225
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 1: he's called a little twitch. He's gonna get in the

1226
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: cops big time. Sometimes he gets knoled down by big guys.

1227
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: So what it doesn't matter because why he's in the backfield.

1228
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: Oh time, bro, if you want to win games, you

1229
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: better drive me the top six. He's brown. Believe it.

1230
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: It's the best. Jose Lam it's my favorite. And whoa, whoa, whoa,

1231
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: I almost dropped the lead. How did I so now

1232
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: it hasn't been finalized, hasn't been finalized the Dodgers. Look,

1233
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: it is DJ's nightmare, Mookie Betts, David Price going to

1234
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: the Dodgers. It's not too late, DJ, what number do

1235
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: you prefer? Because I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go to

1236
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: the stadium because some season ticks. So I'm trying to

1237
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: figure out what number? Jersey do you want? What do

1238
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: you want on your back when you come and we

1239
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: go to love you blue route? Like like what like

1240
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: what we're work? What we work? Oh man, it's so gross.

1241
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: I just know this. Hey Lance, I'm gonna have a

1242
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: birthday party m next year. It's gonna be it's gonna

1243
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: be late October. I figured we could have it at

1244
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: Dodger Stadium because they won't be playing at that point.

1245
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: They always they all he's played. But you joined me there.

1246
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: We'll have a good time. But are you talking about

1247
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: your two time back to back World Series champions? Because

1248
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: of the cheating allegations that we now and we actually

1249
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: confirmed that we actually lost the second one, we didn't

1250
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: actually win a second one, and it was never going

1251
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: to be a back to back. It was gonna be

1252
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: two out of three years, all right, it was never

1253
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: gonna be. And Josey josel To held the jersey because

1254
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: he's a modest person. I don't want to hear all

1255
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: these conspiracy theories about buzzers. Buddy buck He asked me

1256
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: if I was gonna get electrocuted at the Senior Ball.

1257
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna get elected. We don't all

1258
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: wear buzzers. And I had to I had to, actually,

1259
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: I had to get I had to get in my

1260
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: Bible and ask for forgiveness because I've had this come

1261
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: over me. Buck of I really desire for some of

1262
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: these Dodgers to get hurt, just so that I don't

1263
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: have to listen to them that series. I don't know

1264
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: how they're not gonna win what they have I mean,

1265
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: And it was a thought, and it was it was

1266
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: a lot of guilt. It was immediately guilt. I confessed,

1267
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: I can best my sins and my impure thoughts and uh,

1268
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: and I wish the Dodgers nothing but the best. So

1269
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: I actually there was a lot of guilt involved there

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Speaker 1: because my immediate reaction was, oh, man, Walker Bueller, just

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Speaker 1: just trip on a curb or something and just, you know,

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Speaker 1: twist that ankle a little bit. And I thought, that's

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Speaker 1: not very Christian like, just like the rest of the Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting. It's gonna be a lot of fun,

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun pictures and catchers. We've got Dusty Baker,

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Speaker 1: now what Yeah, congratulations Lance. I told Lance the other day,

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Speaker 1: I said, as a Padre fan, I might be the

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Speaker 1: only person that doesn't live in the city of Houston

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Speaker 1: that would actually root for the Astros if they over

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers. Yeah, I've been making Dusty Baker is a

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Speaker 1: is a is a substitute teacher jokes here on the radio,

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Speaker 1: because that's what he is, or just like when do

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Speaker 1: we get our regular teacher back? I mean, Lance, if

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Speaker 1: you can get if you can get me who I've

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Speaker 1: practiced here, If you can get me some tickets, like

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Speaker 1: somewhat close to the dime and actually put me out

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Speaker 1: in the outfield, because I can do this curveball, curveball, curball?

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Speaker 1: That get me? Does that get me tickets in the outfield? There? No,

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Speaker 1: you gotta get closer. You gotta get closer. You gotta

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Speaker 1: be down close by. They won't they won't hear it,

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Speaker 1: that's true. What are you talking about way out there?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. God, well, obviously I'm a patre fan.

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Speaker 1: We don't know how to cheat. We stink. Maybe if

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Speaker 1: we cheated all the better we'd be better. Obviously. Alright,

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Speaker 1: let's get out of here. This is this could go

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Speaker 1: on forever. Thanks a lot, buck for ruining my day.

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Speaker 1: Keep it for us today, Bucky Lance DJ. Hopefully this

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Speaker 1: trade is not finalized. We'll see you next time. Right here,

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Speaker 1: I'll move the sticks