1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, the production of I Heart Radio 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: and Grim and Mild from Aaron Minky listener. Discretion is advised. Hey, gang, 3 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: this is just a quick reminder that I have a 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: massive fall tour coming up starting in September, and so 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: if you want to head to my website Amy dash 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: Brunei dot net and click on the appearances page, you 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: can see if I will be anywhere near you. A 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: lot of these do have meet and great options too, 9 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: So if you want to get a photo of me 10 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: or ask me a question personally, this is your chance. 11 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: I can see just looking at my schedule, I'm going 12 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: to be in California, Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Texas, 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: Louisiana and more. So please check it out and hopefully 14 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: we will get to meet in person and talk about 15 00:00:48,960 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: spooky things. My favorite. When I was a young child, 16 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: maybe four or five, my parents made me a toy 17 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: box by maid. I mean they found an old trunk, 18 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: probably at a garage sale knowing them, and they turned 19 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: it into my own toy chest with a little love. 20 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: It was perfect. They painted it white and used modge 21 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: pods to add a m Y on the top in 22 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: playful letters. For good measure, they also added raggedy Ann 23 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: and Andy. I loved that chest. I loved it so 24 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: much that I would even sometimes sit inside of it 25 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: and pretend it was a boat or a car. One day, 26 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: not long after I received the chest, so I must 27 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: have still been about five years old, I was pretending 28 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,919 Speaker 1: I was sailing away in a boat. Sitting in the chest, 29 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: I let my imagination run wild, and at one point 30 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: the lid came crashing down toward me. In an effort 31 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: to avoid hitting my head, I ducked, and suddenly I 32 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: found myself in darkness. The lid had crashed down and 33 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: latched from the outside. Honestly, I don't remember a lot 34 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: after that. I don't know how long I was in there, 35 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: but I remember snippets of me screaming for my mom 36 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: and her definitely not hearing me from the other end 37 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: of the house. And I remember the feeling of not 38 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: being able to breathe and being very hot and sweaty, 39 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: until finally the lid opened and my frantic mother was 40 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: asking if I was okay. I was, I thought. Ever 41 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: since that fateful moment, I have had terrible claustrophobia. I 42 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: blame it on that experience, though I guess I'll never 43 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: know for sure. But when I have to investigate small spaces, 44 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: I am visibly anxious and have to take frequent breaks. 45 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: Being underground is especially worrisome, So tunnels and caves are 46 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: also a major problem for me. I can't shake the 47 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: feeling that at any moment I could be buried alive. 48 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: So imagine my trepidation when we agreed to investigate a mine, 49 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: a big one. Come with me as we ventured to 50 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: New Jersey and explore the very haunted Sterling Hill mines. 51 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: I hope you'll hold my hand if I need it. 52 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: I'm Amy BRUNEI, and this is haunted road. Beneath the 53 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: ground in Ogdensburg, New Jersey, caves glow brightly with subterranean treasures. 54 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: The thirty five miles of tunnels which were once the 55 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: Sterling Hill Mine are among the richest in the world, 56 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: with fluorescent minerals, vibrant red colcite, deep yellow espirite, lush, 57 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: violent hard distonite, and vivid green willomite, the phosphorus and 58 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: glow of which emanates even after there is no energy 59 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: source attached to it today, people tore the tunnels to 60 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: learn the history of mining in New Jersey, which dates 61 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: back to the sixteen hundreds, and to see the natural 62 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: wonders of the light show under the ground. They also 63 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: go to the Sterling Hill Mine looking for ghosts spirits 64 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: who remained behind after terrible accidents that happened when the 65 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: mine was still in operation. I know firsthand. I was 66 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: one of those people, and I found ghosts who still 67 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: had some of the most intense emotional energy I've ever experienced. 68 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: It turns out guilt and grief can last even in death. 69 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: The Sterling Hill Mine, now known as the Sterling Hill 70 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: Mine Tour and Museum of Florescence, is a former iron 71 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: and zinc mine in northern New Jersey near the New 72 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: York border. Legend has it that early Dutch settlers to 73 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: the area started mining on the site in the sixteen 74 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: thirties in search of highly prized copper and iron deposits. However, 75 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: those claims are unsubstantiated. According to a history of Sterling 76 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: Hill mind by Daniel Russell As he wrote, the earliest 77 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: documentary evidence of mining activities on the Sterling Hill site 78 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: date from seventeen thirty, when the property, then known as 79 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: the Copper Mine Tract, was divided to the hairs of 80 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: Anthony Rutger's by the proprietors of New Jersey in seventeen 81 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: sixty nine. William Alexander, who called himself Lord Sterling, though 82 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: he had no noble title, acquired the property. He might 83 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: iron from the site, sending many tons of ore to 84 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: his furnace in Hibernia and New Jersey, and tons of 85 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: what he incorrectly thought was copper to England. While Lord 86 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: Sterling ultimately failed to effectively mind Sterling Hill, he was 87 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: partly right. There were rich deposits of minerals in that ground, 88 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: over three hundred seventy different minerals actually, and more than 89 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: twenty minerals found nowhere else in the world. He just 90 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: couldn't get to them. The Franklin Knight in the ground, 91 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: which bore iron inside, was resistant to smelting by the 92 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: technology of his time. Lord Sterling drank himself to death 93 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: during the American Revolution, and the mines went to the 94 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: Ogden family, owners of the profitable Ogden Mine and nearby 95 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: iron furnace. The Ogdens didn't extract iron from Sterling Hill, 96 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: but did mind zinc there that was used for brass 97 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: during the War of eighteen twelve. The Ogden family ran 98 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: three separate mines in the area for most of the 99 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: nineteenth and early twentieth centuries until the New Jersey Zinc 100 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: Company took over operations. The company began producing or in 101 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: nineteen twelve and had a superstar consultant, Thomas Alva Edison, 102 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: inventor of the telegraph, the phonograph, and the first long 103 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: lasting light bulb, among about a million other things. Edison, 104 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: according to Daniel Russell, had acquired an iron mine several 105 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,799 Speaker 1: miles from the Sterling Hill mines and had developed several 106 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:26,239 Speaker 1: innovative techniques and processes for beneficiating the ores and smelting metal. 107 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: He maintained an active correspondence with the officers and management 108 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: of the New Jersey Zinc Company, offering detailed advice on 109 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: process technology as well as designing equipment for the company. 110 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: The work was difficult and dangerous, but the New Jersey 111 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: Zinc Company substantially improved the quality of life for miners 112 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 1: in Ogdensburg. It built a hospital, club rooms for the 113 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: miners and their families, bowling alleys, tennis courts, swimming pools, 114 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: and even a summer camp for the miners children. The 115 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: mining company even provided companies subsidized housing for employees, consisting 116 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: of four room bungalows for laborers at eight dollars per 117 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: month in ninety two, and comfortable houses for staff at 118 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: seventeen dollars a month. Those costs in today's money would 119 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: be about hundred forty one dollars for the bungalows and 120 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: three hundred dollars for the comfortable houses. During their shifts, 121 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: miners would descend as far as two thousand, six hundred 122 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: seventy five feet below the surface to excavate thirty five 123 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: miles of tunnels. Before and after their shifts, miners would 124 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: stop at miner's change house. Each miner had a locker, 125 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: there were three hundred of them, which had a chain 126 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: attached to it. The chain was attached to a pulley 127 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: in the ceiling and had a basket at one end. 128 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: Miners would take off their wet, muddy clothes, put them 129 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: in their basket, and hoist the basket up to the ceiling. Overnight, 130 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: the drier air would dry the clothes so they were 131 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: ready for work the next day. The mining was so 132 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: successful and the minerals so in demand that during World 133 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: War Two the mine never closed. There were three shifts 134 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: around the clock mining zinc for the brass to make 135 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: bullet and artillery shells. According to a History of the 136 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: Mind by Sussex County, New Jersey, the site was considered 137 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: a vital strategic interest and was protected by armed soldiers. 138 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: Rock and Gem magazine reports that over the one hundred 139 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: thirty six year period the Sterling Mine was an operation, 140 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: it mined eleven million tons of ore, of which was zinc. 141 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: In fact, the deposits found in the ground in Ogdensburg, 142 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: which are about one hundred three billion years old, are 143 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: exceptionally rich in zinc. The History of the Mine on 144 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: the museum's website claims that no similar deposits of richness 145 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: impurity have been found anywhere else on Earth. Zinc might 146 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: not sound like an essential mineral, but you'd be surprised 147 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: at how many uses it has. Essential car parts like carburetors, 148 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: door handles and fuel pumps are all made from zinc. 149 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: It's integral to making galvanized metals, ceramics, batteries, tires, sun block, 150 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: even pennies. And of course we need to make sure 151 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: we eat enough of it to keep our immune systems strong. 152 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: The fourth oldest mine in the country, Sterling Mine was 153 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: the last working underground mine in New Jersey when it 154 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: closed in nineteen eighty six, and closed only because of 155 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: a tax dispute with Ogdensburg. The town foreclosed on the 156 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: property in nineteen eighty nine, and it was bought at 157 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: auction for seven hundred fifty thousand dollars to Richard and 158 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: Robert Howe, who opened the Sterling Hill Mine Museum in 159 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety. The next year, it was added to the 160 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: National Register of Historic Places and eventually became a nonprofit 161 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: educational foundation managed by a board of trustees. Today, the 162 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: Miners Change House is the Zobel Hall Museum. That building 163 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: houses everything from inventions by Thomas Edison to dinosaur fossils 164 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: to actual meteorites from space. It also has a stunning 165 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: multimillion dollar display of minerals from as far away as 166 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 1: Russia and China, and a huge display of the Periodic 167 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: Table of elements. For each element, there's an example of 168 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: the ore it's extracted from, an example of an object 169 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: made using that element. The Mind's Old Mill building, which 170 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: dates back to nineteen sixteen is now the Warren Museum 171 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: of Fluorescence, which displays more than seven hundred different fluorescent 172 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: minerals and objects. The museum claims to have the largest 173 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: collection of fluorescent minerals in the world. Today, both the 174 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: main shaft, which goes down two thousand sixty five feet, 175 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: and the lower shaft, which goes down two thousand, six 176 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: hundred seventy five feet, are totally flooded. In fact, everything 177 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: lower than the very top level of the Mind, less 178 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: than one hundred feet below ground, are totally submerged. The 179 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: temperature is a constant fifty six degrees inside. Visitors to 180 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: the museum can explore not just the collection of artifacts, 181 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: but the mines themselves on guided walks through the parts 182 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: of the Mind that are still accessible. The subterranean walk 183 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: goes through a new two hundred forty foot section called 184 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: the Rainbow Tunnel, which they blasted in nineteen ninety using 185 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: forty nine blasts and at a cost of two dollars 186 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: a foot. They're short wave UV lights are turned on 187 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: to illuminate the entire tunnel and show case various mineral 188 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: samples glowing with florescence. Fans of the movie Zoolander might 189 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: find Sterling Mind familiar. The mining scenes in the movie 190 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: were filmed there. That's when he said, I've got the 191 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: blacklong pop. Paranormal researchers have claimed that there was a 192 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: terrible accident resulting in the deaths of seventy seven people 193 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: inside the mine nearly a century ago. But when I 194 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: was researching the Mind for the episode of Kindred Spirits 195 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: we filmed there, I did not find any historical record 196 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,599 Speaker 1: of that accident. What I did find, however, was a 197 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: history of smaller accidents that have left impressions in the 198 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: space for centuries. In particular, Caven's injured miners. On November fourteenth, 199 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty, a cave in at the mine injured a 200 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: mining expert who was rescued by workers but died on 201 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: the way to the hospital. A similar accident happened on Monday, 202 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: February ninth, nineteen forty two. John Under was killed by 203 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: what the Courier News described as a fall of rock 204 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: and dirt. But in eighteen fifty eight, a very serious 205 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: accident happened that had nothing to do with the cave in. 206 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: Workers in the mine were building a new shaft and 207 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: some miners were tasked with salvaging and dismantling the old 208 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: shaft For many months, Doug Francisco wrote in the Sterling 209 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: Hill Newsletter, a handful of men were tasked with shutting 210 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: her down. One night, a crew of five men were 211 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: sending scrap metal to the surface through an elevator cage. 212 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: Three men prepped the metal on the mine floor, and 213 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: two rode the cage up and loaded the scrap. As 214 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: Francisco wrote, level by level, the cage rattled downward at 215 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: a nice, steady pace. At six hundred eighty level, the 216 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: neglected maintenance took its toll. The cable clamps let loose, 217 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: and the cage, with its human cargo free fell hundreds 218 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: of feet, gathering speed until it crashed to the floor 219 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: of the shaft bottom. The men were pitched off, One 220 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: died instantly, and the other, Ralph Romans, was hurled into 221 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: a puddle of water. The three men on the bottom 222 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: rushed forward and one of them rolled Ralph onto his back, 223 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 1: keeping his head out of the water, and cradled him, 224 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: hoping to allow him to breathe. Ralph Romans died in 225 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: the man's arms. Years later, Francisco described a former minor 226 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: turn chaplain named Bob Romans was visiting patients in Newton 227 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: Hospital in the spring of around to comfort sick and 228 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: dying patients. On entering one of the hospital rooms, he 229 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: saw a whispy haired, frail old man and approaching the bed. 230 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: Chaplain Bob reached out his hand and took the old man, saying, 231 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: I'm Bob Romans, a chaplain here at the hospital. The 232 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: old man's eyes struggled to focus, and he finally said, 233 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 1: I knew a Romans a long time ago. He was 234 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: a friend of mine, many years ago. The old man said. 235 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: We worked the minds together. The old man went on 236 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: to say that they had worked at Sterling together. I 237 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: was there the night he died, the old man said. 238 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: He went on to describe the night of the accident. 239 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: I was there the night he died. It was nineteen 240 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: fifty eight. The cage cut loose and slammed down to 241 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: the bottom. We heard it coming and got the hell 242 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: out of the way the best we could. When it 243 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: we ran forward and I found Ralph broken, bleeding and 244 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: lying face down in the water. I held his head 245 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: up out of the water, hoping he would be able 246 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: to breathe but it only took a few moments to 247 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: realize he was already dead. I just held him in 248 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: my arms, As Francisco wrote, Bob left the hospital that 249 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: night amazed that he had been given such a privilege 250 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: to personally thank this man for trying to help his 251 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: grandpa and his last moments on earth, and how such 252 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: a holy moment could come so unexpectedly from such a 253 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: tragic event so long ago. Bob later learned that the 254 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: man had passed away the next morning. When Adam Barry 255 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: and I investigated Sterling Mine for kindred spirits, we made 256 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: contact with the spirit we believe was involved with that 257 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: very accident, and who carried a great amount of grief 258 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: and guilt about it. He didn't die in the mind, 259 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: but his spirit lingered there. We believe he stayed behind 260 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: to warn people about the dangers of the mind and 261 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: to not let anyone go anywhere inside the tunnels that 262 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: wasn't safe. Another spirit who's reported to appear off in 263 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: in Sterling Mine is Bicycle Pete. According to legend, he 264 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: was a miner who would ride his bike to the 265 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: mind daily. One day, Pete went into the mines but 266 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: never returned. The only way they noticed was that his 267 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: bicycle remained parked outside well into the night unclaimed. Supposedly, 268 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: he was never seen again. Pete's ghost is believed to 269 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: haunt the mind to this day, and also to this day, 270 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: the Mining Museum leaves a bike parked outside the entrance 271 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: in his honor. Visitors also claimed to hear footsteps, voices, 272 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: the sound of machinery, and whispers inside the mine. But 273 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: the hauntings aren't just underground. Some people claim to have 274 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: seen shadow figures in the museum buildings or faces in 275 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: the windows peering out. To talk more about the hauntings, 276 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: I have genroggerro coming up next. He is the founder 277 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: of New Jersey Paranormal and has spent many nights investigating 278 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: the mines. We talk about our experiences there and it's 279 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: quite chilling. Literally it's cold in those mines. That's coming 280 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: up after the break, Ye all right, So I am 281 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: sitting here with Mr John Riggiero, who is the founder 282 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: of New Jersey Paranormal and you may have seen him 283 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: on Kindred Spirits in the past when we investigated Liberty Hall, 284 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: but we actually go way back. He has a really 285 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: great event that he and his team put on every 286 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: year in New Jersey, which we'll talk about at the end. 287 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: But that's how we know each other and we have 288 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: a lot of mutual friends. And so he's the one 289 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: that brought the idea of Sterling Hill Mind to us 290 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: for Kindred Spirits because they were having some crazy activity 291 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: and wanted answers, and so he's the perfect person to 292 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: talk to. So welcome John him. Thank you for having 293 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: me on. I appreciate it. Of course. The mine is 294 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: a really wild place to investigate. Now. I have claustrophobia 295 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: pretty badly, and I hate being underground. It is I've 296 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: talked about a number of occasions, and when they came 297 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: to me and said we have this mine that would 298 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: like you all to investigate, I was instantly like, well, 299 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: that's too bad for them. But eventually they talked me 300 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: into it and it turned into a really interesting case. Now, 301 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: you guys have investigated it a number of times, right right. 302 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,959 Speaker 1: We were contacted by them a few years back about 303 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: the activity there. They had multiple reports of seeing and 304 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: hearing things, and we asked if we could go into 305 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: the mine and see if we could see for ourselves, 306 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: and we had gotten in there actually three or four 307 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: times over a couple of weekends. And like you said, 308 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: the initial initial visit, when you go in there with 309 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,719 Speaker 1: the lights on, it's pretty intimidating with the lights on 310 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: as you're walking through there in the mind. And then 311 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: when they turned the lights off and we were in 312 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: there and the pitch black, the very first thing I 313 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: ever experienced there was hearing voices back and forth talking 314 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: to each other in the echo and the water dripping, 315 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: and we literally just said quiet, quiet. We stayed quiet 316 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: for ten minutes and listen to these people just back 317 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: and forth talking to each other. It was one of 318 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: the most bizarre experience I've ever had. I mean when 319 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: you say that, I am literally getting chills because I 320 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: remember that feeling of being in the mind and hearing voices. 321 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: And so here's the thing. The mind is not an operation. 322 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: It's a museum. We had it to ourselves. There's no 323 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: way for anyone to get in there. And if you 324 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: sit quietly, you will hear voices. And the darkness is 325 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: like when you turn off the lights. It is the 326 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 1: darkest of dark and you are so aware that you 327 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: are underground. And then when you hear voices at the 328 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: same time, your entire body reacts like you want to run, 329 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: but you can't because because you will fall or run 330 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: into a wall of some sort. But but it is 331 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: I would say it is one of the eeriest experience. 332 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that whole investigation was just solid, Like I 333 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: never felt relaxed, I never felt at ease. I was 334 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: constantly having anxiety and like MANI panic attacks and so 335 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: I guess that added to it for me. But the 336 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: activity itself is just wild. So we were in interviewing 337 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 1: someone who worked in the Mind for a number of years. 338 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 1: I can't recall his name, but he was. He was 339 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: fabulous and he had so much information. And in the 340 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: middle of the interview, I was like, can you just 341 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: come with us because we were kind of describing the 342 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 1: sounds we were hearing, and we just asked him, you know, 343 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: can you come with us and explain some of these 344 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: because you've been in there so long and working there still. 345 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: So we brought this man back to the Mind that night, 346 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: and he actually wore his full like mining gear for us, 347 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: and we thought that would be neat to kind of 348 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: maybe use that as kind of a trigger, like use 349 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: him as a human trigger object. He was teaching us, 350 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: like what he did and everything, and so then we said, well, 351 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 1: let's just sit for a minute and let's be quiet. 352 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: And so we sat and we hear this very loud 353 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: rumbling coming from below us, and then we hear it 354 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: kind of from above us too, and I just looked 355 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: at him, like that's the sound, Like what are what's 356 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: making that sound? And he looked at us and he said, well, 357 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: that sounds like a mining cart, but that's impossible. And 358 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: I said, well, thank you, we're not we've not lost 359 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: it here because we thought this, say, like it sounded 360 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: like something mechanical. And he just said, you know, I've 361 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,959 Speaker 1: worked in here so long, he said, but I'm always working, 362 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: he said, I've never just sat and listened. And he 363 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: was baffled. And this is a man who was hugely 364 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: skeptical of the idea of ghosts. And he didn't say 365 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: it was a ghost, but he definitely was like, I 366 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: have no explanation for what we're experiencing right now. And 367 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: he heard the voices to these like loud, gruff male 368 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 1: voices talking down at the end of the mind, and 369 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: he had zero explanation. But it did make sense when 370 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: he said, no one's down here listening who works here. 371 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: They're all just working, you know. No one just wants 372 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: to just sit in the mind and meditate. They want 373 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: to get in and out, you know, so that was 374 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: really cool for us. You had mentioned a good point 375 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: during the episode about you know, the people that run 376 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: the mind now or men of science. They have degrees 377 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: in engineering and other degrees, and these are people that 378 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: do what we do, so they're not big believers of 379 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: the para normal. And when I first went in there 380 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: and they were describing seeing shadow figures, having things rush 381 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: them here, and growling getting pushed, it was just so 382 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: believable because again, these aren't the typical people but that 383 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: we deal with. And then when we went in there 384 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: ourselves and we were rushed at least two or three times. 385 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: Something just comes at you and you feel the rush 386 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 1: of wind or air and you sometimes in your ear 387 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: you'll hear or you'll hear a growl, and it is 388 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: again a bizarre experience to know that, again you're in 389 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: the dark, you can't see who's ever there, but they're 390 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: definitely around. And that noise you're describing, we heard that, 391 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: but we also heard what sounded like residual dynamite. They 392 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: have a display there. I don't know if they showed 393 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: you that where they demo the mind how they used 394 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: the dynamite and it has lights and you hear when 395 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: you do that. You want to talk about a trigger object. 396 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: If you do that and then wait an hour or 397 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: two or three, you will hear the residual in the 398 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: mind in different areas. Again, bizarre how that works. It 399 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: is very strange activity. And I know too there are 400 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: shadows seen in there a lot, and we definitely saw 401 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: one at one point. And what's your experience been with 402 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: like shadow figures or apparitions in the minds. I've got 403 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: a good one for you. The office space where I 404 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: know you were in the chip in the last year 405 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: since you've been there. Actually a lot of the miners 406 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: that work there, they'll come back if they're from California, 407 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: different parts of the country, and they let them actually 408 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: stay in the office. They have like little bedroom set 409 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: up with refrigerators and beds, and they've been doing that 410 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: for years. But lately, over the last year or so, 411 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: they won't stay on that bottom floor of that office 412 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: anymore because they've seen a shadow figure above them when 413 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: they're sleeping and they're hearing banging on the pipes and 414 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: things like that. Now they actually have a trailer outside 415 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: the office because these guys, and you know, the guys 416 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: I'm talking about, these are you know, guys that are 417 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: used to manual labor and tough guys. They will not 418 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: stay in that building. So I'm in there and we 419 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: had just finished an event, and I'm grabbing all of 420 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: my things, and I kid you not, a shadow figure 421 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: went right in front of me, paused, and then went 422 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: down the stairs and around into one of the old bedrooms. 423 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: I froze because I had never seen a shadow figure 424 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: do that before. And that's the office to where people 425 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: have to work every day, right, Oh jeez. Yeah. I 426 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: was surprised at the activity in that building. So this 427 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: part is not even like part of the mind. It's 428 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: kind of connected. You can kind of get to the mind. 429 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: I remember not really being familiar with that part. When 430 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: they asked us to look there because they've been having activity, 431 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, of course, any place that's not underground, 432 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: I'm happy to investigate. And so we get there and 433 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: then I'm like, mmmm, this might be creepier than the mine. 434 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 1: Definitely had a strange feeling, and that was when we 435 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: did a really interesting spirit box session there s to 436 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: session there and we got this man who felt he 437 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: was communicating and feeling very responsible for some thing. We 438 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: don't know if he was affiliated with. There was a 439 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,959 Speaker 1: really terrible mining accident that happened there. Weren't sure if 440 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: he's affiliated with that, but he definitely felt some sort 441 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: of remorse and also like he was being blamed. And 442 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,479 Speaker 1: so I mean, I don't know, maybe he's trying to 443 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: make himself known, especially to miners, or maybe he knew 444 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: them from before, Like maybe he's trying to reach out 445 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: to them for some reason. Sounds like we might need 446 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: to revisit. That's actually a really good point, and I 447 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: had forgotten about that from the episode because I had 448 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: also done spare box and EVP sessions there, and there 449 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: is somebody that talks about a fire, talks about a fire, 450 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: and he talks about being burned, and the last thing 451 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: he remembered that I got on e VP was paying. 452 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: So it's kind of strange that you mentioned that, because 453 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: you know, most of the people that die their cavens 454 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: and explosions and horrible ways to go, so they do 455 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 1: linger with those memories, and unfortunately yeah, the mining industry, 456 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: especially back then. I mean just in general, mining is 457 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: such a dangerous occupation, but even back then, like they 458 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,959 Speaker 1: did not have OSHA standards, they did not you know, 459 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: it's funny to look at photos when you look at 460 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 1: historical photos of these guys just covered in dirt and 461 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: ash and smile all smiles, and they often talk about 462 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 1: it with kind of a fondness, like there's something that 463 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: it's kind of like a brotherhood. You know. Even the 464 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,239 Speaker 1: miners that we met, they're kind of nostalgic for it, 465 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: like there's something about it which I don't understand. I 466 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: mean a lot of us don't understand. I'm sure you 467 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: know you think, okay, you're doing this really dangerous job. 468 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: But maybe that does create kind of, like I said before, 469 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 1: like a brotherhood or this feeling of like you have 470 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: to kind of really get emotional about it and begin 471 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: to love it. To risk that, I don't know, I'm comping. 472 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: You have to count on the person next to you, 473 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: because if something happens, it's just you and that group. 474 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: Because that went down that mine. So if something happened 475 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: on level and you're with a bunch of people and 476 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: you're working and you're in it together. Whatever happens is 477 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 1: going to happen to all of you. And that was 478 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: every day. I'm sure they lived with that, the notion 479 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: of hey, yeah, I think could happen. It happened a 480 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: year ago. It may have happened five years ago, but 481 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 1: they know things happened in that mind, yeah, I mean, 482 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: and that's when I think about the idea of them 483 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: going down so farcus. When you see the elevator shaft, 484 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: it is so far. And then one of the things 485 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: we did in there, and we were with that gentleman again, 486 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,959 Speaker 1: he was demonstrating to us like he just picked up, 487 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: like there's pipes and stuff all he just picked up 488 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,439 Speaker 1: a random pipe. There was a pool of water that 489 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: was basically one of the old shafts, and he threw 490 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: it and we could hear it pinging all the way down. 491 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, that thing went on for like a 492 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: minute and a half, just getting further and further away, 493 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: ping ping, And I was just thinking of all those 494 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: shafts that are down there, flooded, all of the gear 495 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: and stuff that's probably still there, and are there people 496 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: still there? You know, like are there people that were 497 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: never recovered that are down there, like it's it's really 498 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 1: eerie to think about. Females, especially get kind of the 499 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: they get attention in a different way. We've we've heard 500 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: a lot of females get cursed that there, and they 501 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: hear the growling a little more. So. I don't know 502 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: if that's because females sit and work in the mine 503 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: and maybe they did believe they were bad luck. I 504 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: don't know, but definitely they get a different kind of 505 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: interaction from what I've seen, right, I experienced that. I 506 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: tried to explain, you know, I'm always trying to talk 507 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: to these spirits like I would want to be talked to, 508 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: and I just tried to explain, you know, hey, the 509 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: year is twenty twenty one or whatever when we were 510 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: there and women are now allowed in minds. You know, 511 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: I've tried to be though, you know, and and uh, 512 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: you know where this mine is an an operation anymore. 513 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: You don't have to worry about me being bad luck. 514 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: I'm sure it doesn't help on the redhead, like just 515 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: trying there perfect Yeah, but I mean maybe that's there's 516 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: something to that, because I do you remember hearing the 517 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: voices quite often, and a lot of them sounded very angry, 518 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: and actually we heard them back where you were talking 519 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: about that dynamite area. That's where I heard the voices 520 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: the most often, and we even followed them back to 521 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: this whole back area I didn't even know existed, and 522 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: they weren't stopping. They were chattering, and they were men. 523 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: They didn't sound happy per se, so I wasn't sure 524 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,719 Speaker 1: if it was like they were talking about what they 525 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: were supposed to be doing. It it's some sort of 526 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: residual working environment that we're hearing, but very wild. Nonetheless, 527 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: like I said, very creepy feeling to be in a 528 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: mind hearing ghostly voices, especially when it's the middle of 529 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: the night. I think it's a mixture of both. I 530 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: think there's a residual and I think there's intelligent and 531 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: it's such a weird mixture, like you said, when they're 532 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: around you. We've had so many things happen in that mind, 533 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: where so many different people walking through experiencing different things, 534 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: and they're not shy about coming up to you that. 535 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: That's another thing that's kind of strange about that mind 536 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: is that the odds are if you're wandering through that 537 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: mind and there are people that work there will tell 538 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: you as well that they'll hear the footsteps. That happens 539 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: a lot where you could be in one area and 540 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: you've been there, so you know there's water on the ground, 541 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: and you can hear the foot even sneakers, but boots 542 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: you can hear especially, and you'll be by yourself and 543 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: setting things up that you hear the wet foot steps 544 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: coming towards you and you just stand there with a 545 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: flashlight pointing it in the direction and seeing nothing yet 546 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: they're still coming. Yeah, and also bring a backup flashlights. 547 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: Speaking of that, I think it was Freddie. He was 548 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: telling us a story about how he was out there. 549 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: He you know, because he goes in and out of 550 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: that mind all the time. Again, it is one of 551 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: those stories that gives me the hebg bees. He was 552 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: there and he he started hearing footsteps and then so 553 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: Freddie was the gentleman who we interviewed. I believe he 554 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: heard footsteps and then his flashlight went out and he 555 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: couldn't he couldn't get it back on, and he's in 556 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: the pitch darkness by himself, hearing these footsteps approaching from behind. 557 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: He had to make his way out of the mind 558 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: without his flashlight whole like guiding on. Thank god he 559 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: knew how to get around in there because he'd been 560 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: in there so often. He had to touch the wall 561 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: and get all the way to where he could see 562 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: the doorway off in the distance. I would probably just 563 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: drop dead right. I would be like, okay, this is it, 564 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: I'm good goodbye, ye help, And there gigantic metal doors 565 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: and there's no other way to access it, so you're 566 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: stuck in there until you get out of there and no. 567 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: So one of the things that I love about that 568 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: place is that it's actually a huge It's very educational, 569 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: like obviously we're talking about the haunts and the ghosts, 570 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: but it isn't amazing sing museum experience, and there are 571 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: tons of field trips and kids going in out of 572 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: there all the time. Like it is not at all 573 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: a place that I would deem like a dangerous type haunt. 574 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: I do think that they're no. I think there are 575 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: ghosts there that have a lot of questions or are 576 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: needing something, and over time, as people investigate, you might 577 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: find that out. But I don't think people are Like 578 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: the minor that we worked with said, if you're in 579 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: there and you're walking around the sound and everything. It 580 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: moves so crazy you would not know if a ghost 581 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: was talking to you. You're not going to have a 582 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: paranormal experience in there, really unless you really sit still 583 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: and look and listen. And so I don't want to 584 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: dissuade people from going because I think it is such 585 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: it's such a great place, and they have some really 586 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: amazing displays. They have like a huge uranium glass collection. 587 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: They have a really great mining area where kids can 588 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: do their old gold panning my daughter and my daughter 589 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: was there for filming, and she clearly was fearless during 590 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: she literally ran off into the mind. I had to 591 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: follow her. She wanted to go in the mine and 592 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: no one was in there because we were down for 593 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: like lunch akee or something, and she wanted to go 594 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: in the mine, and so I had to like put 595 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: on a brave face. I think she was six or 596 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: seven at the time. By seven, and I'm sure we 597 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: can go on the mine. So it's just the two 598 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: of us and she's running ahead like living it up, 599 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, oh my god, I'm so scary. But anyways, 600 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: kids love it. The fluorescent minerals as well, that's another 601 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: big draw. They turned the black lights on and there's many, 602 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: many pictures of those minerals, and it's just I don't 603 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: think those minerals are in a lot of other mining 604 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: museums that I think they're kind of exclusive to the 605 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: Sterling Mine, at least in this area. Maybe for places 606 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: that you could actually visit and you can't do it justice. 607 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: You could look at the pictures, but when you're actually 608 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: in the room and they turned the black light on, 609 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: it really does just it's like a rainbow inside this mountain. 610 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: It is why. I mean, I didn't even know to 611 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: expect that. You know, we had done so much kind 612 00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: of researching and hearing about the ghosts, and then when 613 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: they showed us that, I was like, this is the 614 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: most beautiful thing. Like it was. It is. It's a 615 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: very cool place. It is very very haunted, but it's 616 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: a haunt unlike any other. And I can't wait to 617 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: get back there eventually. And so at some point we're 618 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 1: going to have to arrange something because it is one 619 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 1: of my favorite places. I meant, here's the thing. I 620 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: investigate so many places. It's rare that a place really 621 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: gives me kind of the chills and I think it's 622 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: a combination of the ghosts but also just the location. 623 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: Like so it's always fun to pine find a place 624 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: that actually scares me a little. But it's funny you 625 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 1: mentioned that because, like you said, when when you walk 626 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: in there and the lights are on and they take 627 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 1: you through the general tour during the day, that mine 628 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: is always fifty six degrees no matter what the temperature 629 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: is outside, so there's a little chill in there all 630 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: the time. But walking with the lights on, it is 631 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: a little kind of intimidating to think that people were 632 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: working in that and underground. But then you turn those 633 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: lights off and it is kind of the other side 634 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: of the coin. It's night and day. That's when you 635 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: had mentioned, you know, children go there for fultures. They 636 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: have been forever. That's where most people know that mine. 637 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 1: But and and the dark. When you're trying to address 638 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: the spirits that are there, that's when you have the 639 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 1: most experiences, when you're actively trying to interact with them 640 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: and communicate with them. Yeah. Absolutely, And you know, I 641 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: don't think there are a lot of people going in 642 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: there and talking to them that way, and so they 643 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: do seem a bit eager, So well, tell me what 644 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: what are you guys? Do? You know? You run what 645 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: I would consider one of the largest paranormal conventions in 646 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: the country, the New Jersey Payer Unity Expo, which you 647 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: just had recently, and it was the first year. I 648 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: hadn't been able to come in a while because I 649 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: was on the Strange Escaped crew. So how did it go? 650 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: Are you guys going to have another one next year? 651 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: How do people find out about all this fun stuff 652 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: you do? We did miss you guys being there. I 653 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,879 Speaker 1: told you that before for the interview. It's just feel 654 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: the same without you and Adam, But um, yeah, we 655 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: just had it two weeks ago. Are big just turn 656 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: out ever, which we try to add to it every year. 657 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: This is an event for charity. All the proceeds go 658 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: to the Woodbridge Charity Fund. We try to keep it 659 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: affordable for everyone. We try to give people the big 660 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 1: corporate casino experience, but on more of a grassroots level, 661 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: which is why we keep it affordable. Kids are only 662 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: five dollars. We bring in great people like you guys, 663 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: and Destinations here and the ghost hunters and ghost Brothers, 664 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: and we're thinking of October for next year late September 665 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: but the goal is again to add to the number 666 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: of guests that are going to be there, the number 667 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: of exhibit rooms that are going to be there, more 668 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: free lectures, and to just keep growing it. That's our goals. 669 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: Just give people as much as we can for only 670 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: twenty dollars. That's really what we're all about. Yeah, well, 671 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: it's always a huge success. I know. I'm always just 672 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 1: amazed at how welcoming everyone is there. And it's one 673 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: of those conventions where Adam and I will have a 674 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 1: line all day long and we just it's so touching 675 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: to meet so many people and it's just it's so fun. 676 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: So I love that you put it on. You guys 677 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,240 Speaker 1: do an amazing job. You should be very proud of yourself. 678 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: And so people want to find out about that. What's 679 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,280 Speaker 1: your website so they can follow that it's New Jersey. 680 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: You have to spell out New Jersey Power Unity Expo 681 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: dot com. And one of the things that makes it 682 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,839 Speaker 1: as good as it is is people like you and 683 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: the other guests that we invite that really do care 684 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 1: about their fans, and it shows it's the given the 685 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 1: take between the two where you could tell people like 686 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: you and people like destination fear. They really do appreciate 687 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,479 Speaker 1: the people that come to see them, and they give 688 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: them a great experience. That's part of the overall feeling 689 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: of the convention as well. I love it. I hope 690 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: to make it next year. Well done, as always heard 691 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,760 Speaker 1: great things. So yeah, well, thank you. I really appreciate 692 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: you taking the time. Thanks for bringing Sterling Hill Mind 693 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: to our attention again. One of the cool haunts I've 694 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: been to in a long time, and I can't wait 695 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: to get back. Thank you for having me me. I 696 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: appreciate it, and we will see you at the next year. 697 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 1: There's something special about mines and mining culture. It's one 698 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: of those industries that we sort of forget is incredibly 699 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 1: necessary when it comes to our supply chain, but the 700 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: miners feel it. Those miners in New Jersey felt it. 701 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 1: I think that's why they took their jobs so seriously 702 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 1: and why their brotherhood seems to survive even beyond the grave. 703 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 1: Please go visit the Sterling Hill Mines when you get 704 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: a chance. Yes, there are ghosts, but the educational aspect 705 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: of it and the full experience of it can't be beat. 706 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,919 Speaker 1: If you do see me there, though I'll probably wait 707 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 1: up top in the gift shop. It's above ground and 708 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: that's also where the ice cream is. I'm Amy Bruney 709 00:38:53,360 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 1: and this was Haunted Road. Yeah. 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