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Speaker 1: He wanted more, more great music. That music you heard

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Speaker 1: And why would I play you that specific slice of

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Speaker 1: Astra Weeks, his second solo album, an album that defined

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Speaker 1: On this episode, Low Church organs anthemic maca Cheese, Astra Weeks,

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Speaker 1: Van Morrison's time in case, a ridge mass and a

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Speaker 1: Finding a musician is easy. Holding onto one is a

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Speaker 1: We move through our daily lives, and every couple of

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Speaker 1: transience with as much grace as Van Morrison's landmark long

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Speaker 1: Morrison's Boston based bass player at the time. Tom Kilbania

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Speaker 1: For three and a half days, while Rick lay mortally

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Speaker 1: Movement equals life, which is why astral Weeks sounds so vibrant.

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Speaker 1: Van Morrison keeps moving just as musicians do, making more records,

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Speaker 1: playing more shows, doing what a musician does. Astra Weeks

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Speaker 1: Sure it doesn't have the hits of some Evan's other works,

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