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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we loved

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Speaker 1: seeing Billy Jean King walk across the stage at cal

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Speaker 1: State to receive her bachelor's degree sixty five years after

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Speaker 1: she started. Congrats Billy. Oh the places You'll go. It's Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: May twentieth, and on today's show, former pro hockey player

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Speaker 1: turned analyst Cheryl Pounder joins us to discuss Montreal and

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Speaker 1: Ottawa's battle for the Walter Cup, why it's important to

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Speaker 1: always keep your head up even when just watching games,

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Speaker 1: and whether she thinks the women's hockey pipeline is strong

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Speaker 1: enough to sustain four new PWHL expansion teams, plus as

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Speaker 1: close to overtime as it gets, knees or dumb, and

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Speaker 1: something about it felt like home somehow. It's all coming

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Speaker 1: up right after this welcome back slices, here's what you

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Speaker 1: need to know today. Let's start with the PWHL, where

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Speaker 1: we've got a game four baby. After Game one and

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Speaker 1: two went to overtime with Montreal winning both, Ottawa won

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Speaker 1: Game three on Monday night in regulation and lived to

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Speaker 1: play another game. But this is the PWHL finals, so

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Speaker 1: of course, even a regulation finish featured edge of your

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Speaker 1: Ottawa's Peyton Hemp tied it up and the series looked

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Speaker 1: in Ottawa. After the game, Leslie, who grew up in Ottawa,

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I had a loss for words. It's so special.

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Speaker 2: It's such an honor to play for my hometown. To see,

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Speaker 2: I've always known that it's a hockey community, but to

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Speaker 2: It's just so special and yeah, nothing kind of compares

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Speaker 1: It was truly such an honor. Hometown girl done good.

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Speaker 1: We love it. Game four is tonight, also in Ottawa,

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Speaker 1: beginning at seven pm Eastern. If the Charge win, they'll

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Speaker 1: head back to Montreal for Game five on Saturday. If

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Speaker 1: the Victoire win, they'll be drinking out of the Walter

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Speaker 1: Cup later tonight Molson's with a splash of maple syrup.

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Speaker 1: We presume more PWHL. On Tuesday morning, the league officially

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Speaker 1: announced that San Jose has been selected as the fourth

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Speaker 1: to twenty seven season. The team will play its home

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Speaker 1: games at the SAP Center, also home to the NHL's

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Speaker 1: In addition, the league revealed San Jose's colors orange, blue

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Speaker 1: plans and the ongoing Alter Cup Finals in just a

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Speaker 1: few minutes with Cheryl Pounder to the WNBA and some

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Speaker 1: bummer injury news. Chicago Sky forward Rikia Jackson will miss

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Speaker 1: In a statement, SKYGM Jeff Paglioca said, quote, Rikia was

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Speaker 1: playing at an All Star and All defensive level early

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Speaker 1: in the season. We are certain she was primed for

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Speaker 1: a career year. Our world class medical staff will work

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Speaker 1: hard with Rakia, who's one of the toughest players in

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Speaker 1: the league, to get her back on the court. End quote.

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Speaker 1: This is absolutely gutting, not just because of how well

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Speaker 1: more piece of WNBA Newsworth meant and it's from Monday

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Speaker 1: night's thrilling Portland Fire victory. If you missed it, it

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Speaker 1: talked PWHL finals with Cheryl Pounder joining us now. She's

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Speaker 1: a hockey color commentator, including calling games for the PWHL.

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Speaker 1: A former collegiate and pro player, two time Olympic gold

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Speaker 1: saying sorry, sorry, sorry, a bunch of apologies, and she

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Speaker 3: Hi, Cheryl Hi, Sarah. Yes, it is true. I have

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Speaker 1: So this is what grant great. Especially, don't say sorry again,

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Speaker 1: on to talk about this really exciting Walter Cup Finyls series.

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Speaker 1: And you know, the old cliche says a series doesn't

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Speaker 1: start until the home team loses. So the Ottawa Charge

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Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting.

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Speaker 3: I thought right from the get go, I thought the

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Speaker 3: So so for me, it's it's more that it's been

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Speaker 4: I shouldn't be surprised by it.

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Speaker 3: I knew this was going to be a close series,

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Speaker 4: Believe in that.

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Speaker 3: They just believe in getting right out there and being resilient,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting too. How years down the road you

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Speaker 1: I think it's hard when you've got such tight games

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Speaker 3: I actually think too, if you go to game one,

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Speaker 3: I thought Ottawa played Montreal and it was their game

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Speaker 3: And then yesterday it was kind of and both ways,

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Speaker 3: texts and DM saying what do you want Pounder. We'll

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Speaker 3: make sure we'll bring some food down. I'm a meal packed.

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Speaker 4: Where's your popcorn? Behind you?

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Speaker 3: Because they typically go to overtime and scoring can be

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Speaker 1: And my dad playing on one leg, and yet factoring

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Speaker 4: I think it's more what I haven't seen.

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Speaker 3: I mean, people who who know the name Pulin, they

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Speaker 4: The shooter, the clutch score, and she is all of

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Speaker 3: If you look at at Game two, that triple overtime,

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Speaker 4: Goes on and on.

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Speaker 3: But what when I watch and again I've had the

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Speaker 3: what she does away from the puck, and she's physical,

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Speaker 1: One of the.

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Speaker 3: Toughest things with Pouline is always finding her players that

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Speaker 3: We want her to shooting the puck. She's first on

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Speaker 1: For those who are not on an acronym basis yet

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Speaker 4: I said, Liz, I think I owe you a pint.

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Speaker 4: For me, Ottawa got to their identity fairly quickly.

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Speaker 3: but I think that what they did was they were

435
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Speaker 3: breaking the four check. By doing that, they were getting

436
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Speaker 3: in the neutral zone. They were hitting the other side

437
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,720
Speaker 3: of the ice, the weak side, really really quickly, and

438
00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,640
Speaker 3: they were getting the entry. And to me, that's got

439
00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,600
Speaker 3: to be a bit of bread and butter for Ottawa

440
00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:15,360
Speaker 3: because Montreal loves to once in zone, like in their

441
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,040
Speaker 3: D zone, they love to clog up the middle of

442
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,399
Speaker 3: the ice and very difficult to get to en Renee Deban.

443
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,960
Speaker 3: So playing off the rush in a direct attack I

444
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Speaker 3: think is pivotal. And then when they get low, they

445
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,720
Speaker 3: go low to high quick and that's part of their theme.

446
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 3: So I felt like they got to it. I mean,

447
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 3: their rush chances were twelve before the last game, so

448
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,720
Speaker 3: that would show me indicate that they got to their game.

449
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Speaker 4: But it was also the eye test.

450
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,600
Speaker 3: You saw Emily Clark driving the net, you know, you

451
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 3: saw drop play and driving through the middle without the puck.

452
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Speaker 4: But it was all because they were connected on the entry, which.

453
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Speaker 3: Has got to be a good feeling for them because

454
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 3: they have to play with pace to be successful. But

455
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,440
Speaker 3: I think it's how they get out of their own

456
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 3: zone that will determine that. And I thought they were

457
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Speaker 3: much better in that category, and I would expect they'll

458
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Speaker 3: build off of it.

459
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Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of belief.

460
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Speaker 3: In the room, in both rooms. Really, I saw the Victoire.

461
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,200
Speaker 3: I mean they're in this hotel, so we saw them

462
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 3: last night, very calm. Corey Chevry was very calm. A

463
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 3: lot of trust and belief in that group as well.

464
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, I think this can very easily

465
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Speaker 3: go to a five just given how close this series is.

466
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Speaker 3: It shows us that the first goal hasn't really mattered.

467
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Speaker 3: So it really is been the last.

468
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Speaker 4: You know, ten minutes, fifteen minutes of the game, that's

469
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Speaker 4: been the difference.

470
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Speaker 1: Yeah, or even last two minutes of most of the

471
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Speaker 1: games that have been the different time.

472
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Speaker 3: That's two minutes, yeah, exactly fifty four seconds yesterday.

473
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Speaker 4: What was it?

474
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Speaker 1: Right? I want to get to what the Victoire need

475
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Speaker 1: to do. But first, you know, you mentioned breaking the

476
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Speaker 1: four check. This is something that's a massive part of

477
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Speaker 1: hockey and people will hear it on the broadcast a lot.

478
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Speaker 1: So for our listeners that are getting into hockey for

479
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Speaker 1: the first time to watch the PWHL, can you explain

480
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Speaker 1: what that is and why that's so important?

481
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Speaker 3: Sure, So, I believe that offense starts in the defensive

482
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 3: zone so if you can't get out, you can't get in.

483
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Speaker 4: So what does that look like?

484
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Speaker 3: So a four check being you know, if you have

485
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 3: two forwards coming down on one defender below the goal line,

486
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 3: that first puck touch by that defender has to be

487
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,360
Speaker 3: very very strong to beat that first player. So then

488
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Speaker 3: once you beat that first player, if you're able to

489
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,639
Speaker 3: maybe it's you're getting taken contact. Where is that second

490
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 3: player coming in to be able to get that puck?

491
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Speaker 3: The key is once you get it, do you have

492
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Speaker 3: somewhere to move it so that you have speed, You

493
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 3: have some sort of pace on exit, on leaving the zone,

494
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 3: and if you are able to beat that pressure, you

495
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 3: get out moving. A lot of the time, when the

496
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Speaker 3: pressure is really good, or the read isn't good, or

497
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 3: the moving off of the puck is not good, you're

498
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Speaker 3: in the neutral zone by yourself. So now all of

499
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 3: a sudden, the other team can just stand up in

500
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 3: the neutral zone, take it away and push it back in.

501
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 3: And so it's kind of that. And if you're getting

502
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 3: clawged up in the neutral zone, it's because you're not

503
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Speaker 3: getting out with connection. When you get out with connection,

504
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 3: you can enter the zone with speed. So to me,

505
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 3: the first thing would be is how are you getting out?

506
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 3: And so that's that scenario, reading where that pressure and

507
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 3: those layers are coming from, which is not easy because

508
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 3: as a former defender, you turn and that's exactly what

509
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 3: your point watch.

510
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 4: You're turning, and so now you're a bit vulnerable.

511
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 3: So you have to be able to read what's coming

512
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 3: in that first puck touch.

513
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 4: That first puck.

514
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Speaker 3: Touch is is everything, and it's you know, usually need

515
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Speaker 3: a couple or three to get out.

516
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's kind of what it is.

517
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think folks who are just starting to watch,

518
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of watching more and more to

519
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,479
Speaker 1: understand the strategy and when you're trying to enter an attack,

520
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 1: when you have the right numbers, when it's a breakaway opportunity,

521
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: and when you need to wait and so you've got

522
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: the people with you to enter the zone. Like there's

523
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 1: so much in hockey and soccer, even because of offside

524
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 1: that changes the strategy, which often results in people just

525
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 1: yelling shoot it, shoot it, or other stupid things that

526
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: don't understand the reasons why you might be holding back

527
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: or circling back around or setting up a play.

528
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Speaker 4: And you know, if you're new and you're and you're

529
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 4: learning the game. It's it's kind of reading your numbers.

530
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Speaker 3: So if I've got the pop and I'm up against

531
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Speaker 3: two on the other team, my success rate is not

532
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,959
Speaker 3: going to be as high as if I have support

533
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 3: on those two. And so it's the same thing coming

534
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 3: out of your zone. Where is your support to get

535
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 3: you out? And so that's kind of that's kind of

536
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 3: way I look at it. And so reading constantly reading

537
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Speaker 3: the numbers.

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Speaker 1: What did vik Twar need to do Wednesday night in

539
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: game four to to win and hoist the cup?

540
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Speaker 3: I think and again they got to their identity too,

541
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 3: which is really really interesting for me. I think they

542
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 3: like to play below the goal line, and I think

543
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 3: they're very very effective at it. And when they use

544
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 3: the cycle game, so for your for your listeners or reviewers,

545
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 3: it's when you're coming off of the boards down low,

546
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 3: that low zone play, and so I think that they

547
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 3: really really like it. You know who's great at the

548
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 3: cycle game is Pulan and drawing, you know, players to

549
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 3: winning you have to win low zone battles.

550
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 4: You have to win those low zone battles. So your

551
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Speaker 4: four check.

552
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 3: So Montreal is very strong on the four check and

553
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 3: getting four check chances because they're turning pucks over because

554
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 3: they're so aggressive on it. If you'll beat someone that'sgressive,

555
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 3: you typically get to go the other.

556
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 4: Way really well. But if you don't, you wind up

557
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 4: himmed in.

558
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 3: And so I think that Montreal has a real does

559
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 3: a real nice job when they get to their game

560
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 3: of a heavy heavy four check sending, sending players below

561
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 3: that goal line, playing heavy, so playing hard, winning puck

562
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 3: battles and then powering it to the net, walking off

563
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 3: of the boards towards the net, in and around the dots,

564
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 3: walking off the boards in the tops of the circles

565
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 3: to come to the net. And who lends one of

566
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 3: the players who distributes the puck from that angle more

567
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 3: than almost anyone. So I think that they want to

568
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 3: get to that rhythm because what it does is it

569
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 3: gets the Diesel, gets Ottawa chasing inside the middle, turning

570
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 3: their feet, and I feel like when you're shooters like

571
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 3: Pulin in the slot, you know, I think it's very

572
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 3: very effective. If you watch a victorire a lot, you'll

573
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 3: notice that Laura Stacey raps the puck around the net

574
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 3: a lot. And this is that low zone play and

575
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 3: when you're playing goaltenders like Phillips, you want. You may

576
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 3: not score on that initial but it's likely going to

577
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 3: be a rebound or something that pops out. So that's

578
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 3: kind of where I think their game really is at

579
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Speaker 3: to get to their identity.

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Speaker 1: Next lesson we'll get to goalie angles and why it's

581
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Speaker 1: so hard for them to adjust to that play behind

582
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Speaker 1: the goal and which side it's going to come out on,

583
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: and how they set up based on the past line.

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Speaker 3: I'm not as I'm not as good at this as

585
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 3: as listen, I always wanted to be a goalie and

586
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 3: my brothers put.

587
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Speaker 4: Me a net when I was young in roade hockey.

588
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 4: But what I do know is.

589
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Speaker 3: I do talk to goalie coaches to try and get,

590
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 3: you know, an idea of of you know, whether they're

591
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 3: in a reverse y at or whether they're you know,

592
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Speaker 3: I'm trying to learn. What I would say is when

593
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 3: plays below the goal line, as a goalie, sometimes you

594
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 3: can lose sight of it. Obviously you're not turning to

595
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 3: face it, so you're sealed to a post, sometimes knowing

596
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 3: which side, so you're moving side to side. But when

597
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: that puck goes back up higher into the slot. It's

598
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 3: going from low to high. So now you're deep in

599
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 3: your crease, you're on the post, and now you've got

600
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 3: to push, have a I think it's power push for

601
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 3: a goalie right up to the top to be aggressive

602
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 3: to the shooter. So now your back door is open,

603
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 3: so the off sides, so again, so there's all of

604
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 3: these so you want the goalie to be moving and

605
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 3: so that below the goal line play to me is

606
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 3: very very effective because you can beat goalies if you

607
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 3: can quickly get it from low and redirect and redirect it.

608
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 3: And so that's something that I always look at as

609
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 3: a former defender. Think about it deep if you're just

610
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 3: envisioning it in your head. There's two players below the

611
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 3: goal line, so you go. So now your feet are

612
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 3: not facing anyone behind you. Even Leslie's goal, the game winner,

613
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 3: she came in with good patience while everyone was facing

614
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 3: this way and was able to get to that puck

615
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 3: because you have to turn your feet. So that's what

616
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 3: below goal line play does. And also the goalie can

617
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 3: lose sight of the puck as well, so and now

618
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 3: all of a sudden you can have the defense charging down.

619
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 3: So now they've been activated too. So that they can

620
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 3: be an option of the shot. So I feel like

621
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: there's a lot of working that sort of low ice

622
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 3: to high.

623
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Speaker 4: Can be really, really effective. But it's difficult for goalie.

624
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and even for defense players who are turning

625
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: back and forth to the goal and not as well

626
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: in position to protect. You know, I want to go

627
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: back to the Semis quick because we didn't really talk

628
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: about it on the show. We mentioned that Game five

629
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: of the Semis was postponed because of illness. We briefly

630
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: freaked out about hontavirus and then realized that it is

631
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: not another COVID and we're going to be fine, even

632
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: though the guy in charge of it in the States

633
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: is a penile implant specialist, not someone I'm putting my

634
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: faith in to prevent another pandemic. But that's a story

635
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: for another time. Montrell went on to win that postpone

636
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: game to advance. Is there any chance you think we

637
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: might not see the Victoire in this finals if they

638
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: hadn't postponed that. Did you hear much about the severity

639
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: of the illness that was ripping through there?

640
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 3: I didn't hear much. I was trying to get some

641
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 3: but like everyone else, we were surprised. I was actually

642
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 3: I was not on the broadcast, so I always had

643
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 3: worked the Boston series, so I was watching the Montreal series,

644
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 3: so I was obviously had conversations trying to figure out

645
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 3: what was going on myself. But we were also on

646
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 3: a call that afternoon at two o'clock. I mean, like

647
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: a Walter Cup final, you know what happens, where we're

648
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 3: going to be whatever, And we were not privy to

649
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 3: anything going on, including the broadcast team that.

650
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 4: Was on the call that night.

651
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Speaker 3: We're on that call, so it was very, very sort

652
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 3: of late communication to the broadcast team, which would leave

653
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 3: me to believe they all found out late and made

654
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 3: this determination late. So yeah, maybe I have no idea

655
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 3: if they weren't sure what it was and how transmissible

656
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 3: it was.

657
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 4: Going to be when they made that call.

658
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 3: But yeah, the five players playing the next day, you know,

659
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 3: indicated that you know that they were okay and you played.

660
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: Well, So maybe a twenty four hour bug. You know,

661
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: you just said Walter Cup final, which brings me to

662
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: the fact that half of the hockey world in the

663
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: PWHL is saying final and half is saying finals, and

664
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: the official word from the League, based on what they're

665
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: putting out on their website is finals, which is of

666
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: course different than the Stanley Cup Final in the NHL,

667
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: which they say it's just one final, so it's a final,

668
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: whereas the semi finals because there's two of them. So

669
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: what's your official ruling should they be aligning with the

670
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: Stanley Cup final?

671
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 3: I'm not sure you know what. You should tell me better.

672
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 3: I might get in trouble for this. So I think

673
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 3: it's finals and it's like world championship. I used to

674
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 3: get in crap from my boss and be like, Pounder,

675
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 3: it's not World championships ship, and I'm like, okay, okay,

676
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 3: I think I can get that, right. I think I

677
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 3: can get But it took me forever in a day

678
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 3: because I always pluralized it. Yeah, I always say championshipshire

679
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 3: what I say anymore, So I'm not sure what comes

680
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 3: out of my mouthn't had my handslap, so I just

681
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 3: keep going.

682
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Okay. Before we let

683
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: you go, I want to talk about the parody in

684
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: the PWHL. Through the first three seasons, it hasn't just

685
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: been in the postseason, it has been in the regular season.

686
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: A lot of trading around of wins, and there's a

687
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,719
Speaker 1: couple of teams that have struggled, But this parody's been

688
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: really impressive. What do you make of the ability of

689
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: this very young league to distribute talent as evenly as

690
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: it seems they have.

691
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's been fantastic.

692
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 3: And I think I had that question too with expansion, like,

693
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 3: oh boy, what's this going to look like? Like probably

694
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 3: everyone because you wanted to succeed and you want the

695
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 3: parody to be there. And in year one, the third

696
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 3: and fourth lines weren't seeing the same ice time that

697
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 3: they are say now, So that would show you that

698
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 3: the depth just with every new draft, the draft capital

699
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 3: that comes in, and the prospect like it just changes.

700
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: But I've been extremely impressed and I think it goes

701
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 3: to show too in terms of scouting. We know the

702
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 3: Caroline Harvey's world and the lay led Wards and the Janikeees,

703
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 3: and you know, the list goes on and on, but

704
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 3: there's a lot that we don't talk about that. You know,

705
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 3: there's are unsung that play in small spaces, that are

706
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 3: physical players that can have success, and then we throw

707
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 3: them into this environment and sometimes you know, if an

708
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 3: S player struggles at the start that you would have

709
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 3: expected to light it up because they're pushed to the

710
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 3: outside where someone else comes in and says, yeah, well

711
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 3: I walk shots and I'm I'm tough, and they come

712
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 3: in and they're able to do it. So I commend

713
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 3: the league the distribution of the of the talent. You know, initially,

714
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 3: I know expansion has been really really tough on the

715
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 3: fan bases, and we can get into the logistics and

716
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 3: the rules and whether you like it or whether you don't.

717
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 3: But I think at the end of the day, you

718
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 3: know it has been distributed and everyone's had a chance.

719
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: I mean, we would have thought Seattle and beyond Vancouver

720
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 3: on paper, you would have said, my goodness, Holy, they're

721
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 3: gonna run with it. But it just goes to show

722
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 3: you like you're one in the league. You get this

723
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: blank slate and I'm talking to a couple of gms

724
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 3: about it. This is like your kidney candy store. But

725
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 3: yet we all know that that's not a team, So

726
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 3: you don't have an identity. You only have a thirty

727
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 3: two game season, so it's not like you're you're figuring

728
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 3: out that identity necessarily. And then where you feel like

729
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 3: these pieces are oh yeah, well she's really skilled, and

730
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 3: she's really skilled.

731
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 4: It's going to fit.

732
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 3: Well, maybe it doesn't work, and so now it's figuring

733
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 3: that out power place. I mean, I was talking to

734
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 3: a coach earlier. He's like, you know, we didn't get

735
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 3: our rhythm until the fortieth game.

736
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you.

737
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 3: Don't have that opportunity. You're in a three point system too,

738
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 3: which I love, but things change quickly. So to me,

739
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 3: you know, it takes time when you have the blank

740
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 3: slate and now you're sitting there with a bit of

741
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 3: an identity and now you can acquire.

742
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: Well, here's the only problem for those two young teams

743
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: in Seattle and Vancouver. We are now expanding to another

744
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: fourteen and twenty twenty seven. So whatever they figured out

745
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: might not be allowed to have more time to grow

746
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: and evolve because they're going to lose some players to

747
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: the new teams. Two part question, how do you think

748
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: parody will be affected by those four new team And

749
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: do you think there's enough of a collegiate pipeline and

750
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: players abroad to sustain growth of this speed?

751
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 4: I think you know, I have a question about it.

752
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 3: I know that the growth component was always part of

753
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 3: once they saw the success was part of the plan.

754
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 3: Also not necessarily having a feeder league. We know what's

755
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 3: going on the SDHL over and over in Sweden. You know,

756
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 3: great European players playing in that league.

757
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 4: But again the.

758
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 3: Pipeline, you know, two hundred and thirty eight I declared,

759
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 3: or thirty six, Sorry I put Becky and I in that.

760
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 4: We did a little bit the other day player which.

761
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 3: Was a bit let me tell you and so yeah,

762
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 3: so how many of those right two thirty six are

763
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 3: not ready for this league?

764
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 4: And so that is a question mark for me.

765
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 3: I absolutely would say, okay, what is going to happen

766
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 3: in terms of the depth of the third and fourth

767
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 3: lines within these leagues?

768
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 4: But if I look at year one and say, okay,

769
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 4: it was a success.

770
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 3: I didn't think the depth was necessarily there on the

771
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: on the fourth, you know, in the third line. And

772
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 3: then now I think we're seeing those third and fourth

773
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 3: lines getting minutes, valuable minutes, you know, in and around

774
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: the appropriate range. So do I think that there might

775
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 3: be a step back with those certain fourth lines. Yeah,

776
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 3: next year when you when you've added an additional four teams.

777
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 3: Do I like the idea of having divisions, the logistics

778
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 3: for travel for these teams, you know, which will in

779
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 3: turn help sort of that wavelength.

780
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 4: Yes, I do do.

781
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 3: I think that this draft class is going to be

782
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 3: spread out, and I think it's an amazing draft class.

783
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 3: I do. Is a pipeline going to service that many No,

784
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 3: but I also think this league is in a position

785
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: where it's going to stabilize. So do we stabilize at

786
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 3: twelve and so then you give a draft class that

787
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 3: just gets added to those twelve teams next year there's

788
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 3: no expansion, so you start to get you know, that's

789
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 3: my favorite player, I'm going.

790
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 4: To buy the jersey. Reality is right now, it's a

791
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 4: win now league. You know, your GM is your coach.

792
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not building for the future because you don't

793
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: know what it'll look like. But also to your point,

794
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: the PWHL started so small that it was inevitable that

795
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: if it worked, it would grow fast and quick because

796
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: you're not sustaining a league and you're not serving all

797
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: the fans that are interested, which we've seen particularly from

798
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: the Takeover too events, by having so few teams, So

799
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: adding four sounds like a ton so quickly, But the

800
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: number that you're ending up with isn't that big. It's

801
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: just a matter of whether they'll hold steady for just

802
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: a bit to your point, to allow those third and

803
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: fourth line players to acquiesce and to understand the game,

804
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: because it does feel like when you get those players

805
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: maybe from smaller programs or lesser programs, and then they're

806
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: working out and training alongside Marie Philip Poulin and Hillary

807
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: Knight and Kendall Cooin Schofield and Kelly Panic and all

808
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: these players, they then get to up their game and

809
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: become a part of the league and become participants. And

810
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: so if you do that over and over again, you're

811
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: constantly having to adjust. But if you stay steady, they

812
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: grow with the league and then you end up with

813
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: a much better place than maybe these first couple years are.

814
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 3: And I think they want to take advantage of where

815
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 3: they are right now. And I mean people can say

816
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 3: you think it's sustainable, and I do. Like I said,

817
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 3: I have kNs that those top line players, you know,

818
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 3: their minutes go up. It's a physical game, like there

819
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 3: are all those things that have to be taken into consideration.

820
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 3: But I do think there's a lot of youth coming out.

821
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 3: Let's just use the NC double A as an example

822
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 3: that's invigorating. You look at it, Waznevitch that's come into

823
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 3: the Ottawa Charge and I feel like she fits in perfectly,

824
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 3: playing on a top line coming out of Whisko. And

825
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 3: so you know, where are those those pieces? Like are

826
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 3: there other pieces there like we were?

827
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 4: You know that.

828
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 3: I think they are those those I mean we knew her,

829
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 3: but I think there's gems in there that are also

830
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 3: going to push. And you said it and in some

831
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 3: of these these athletes are getting older, and so you

832
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 3: know what, what are these young? Because the skill levels

833
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 3: at an all time high in terms. I mean I

834
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 3: could never shoot a potway any of these women could

835
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 3: and that was just a product of reps the way

836
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 3: I was coached. I started him ring at so naturally

837
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 3: was not a good shooter an excellent skater. The training

838
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 3: that goes that's that's that's changed. It's changed from when

839
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 3: Pulen was in. So you know, we're seeing all of

840
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 3: that and I think we want to be able to house.

841
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 3: We don't want to lose players either. You don't want

842
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 3: to grow too quick and too fast, and there's a

843
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 3: lot of question around that, but I do think it

844
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 3: will stabilize, and I think for me, from my perspective,

845
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 3: to the divisions become really really important.

846
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 4: But yeah, concern for me is depth for sure, and

847
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 4: we don't want we don't want the game changing.

848
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited though, I'm excited it's been successful enough.

849
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm excited that the fans are showing up. I'm excited

850
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: that they have the investment and the ability to grow

851
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: because it's working, and it's great for the players, it's

852
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: great for fans of the sport. Looking forward to Game four,

853
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've been kind of rooting for the victor,

854
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: but I think I want to Game five. I just,

855
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: you know, winner take all games. They're the best thing

856
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: in sports. So I guess I'm rooting for it to

857
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: go the distance. But thanks so much for the time.

858
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: We really appreciate you coming on and talking about it.

859
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on.

860
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: Thanks again to Cheryl for hanging out. And don't forget

861
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: you can now watch full length good game interviews on

862
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,360
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863
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: break when we return. I remember it all too well.

864
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,320
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865
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:13,919
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00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,640
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867
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: Jean King's graduation had me thinking about finishing things years

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Speaker 1: after getting started, and about being willing to tackle new

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Speaker 1: hard for some folks to try something new later in

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Speaker 1: life when they're used to being proficient at stuff, So

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Speaker 1: I always love hearing about the bold, brave, fun people

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Speaker 1: It always inspires me to want to get out of

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Speaker 1: my comfort zone too, and I met one just the

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Speaker 1: other day, Megan Sullivan, who I had lunch with alongside

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Speaker 1: her amazing wife and adorable daughter. We got connected through

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Speaker 1: an auction at her kids' school, and I practically started

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Speaker 1: cheering at the table when I learned that she recently

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Speaker 1: joined an adult basketball league for women who had never

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Speaker 1: played before. It's part of Women's Sports Chicago and Org

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Speaker 1: that runs a handful of different REX sports at different

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Speaker 1: competition levels for women, trans and non binary folks. Her

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Speaker 1: team includes people who have literally never shot a basketball

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Speaker 1: in their lives, and in their twenties and thirties, decided

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Speaker 1: to give it a shot. Pun intended. I'm obsessed. This

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Speaker 1: is so cool. So if you're listening and you think

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Speaker 1: it's too late to start, just go do it. Join

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Speaker 1: that league, that run club, that class. I was just

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Speaker 1: so inspired by that way to go. Megan Billy Jeane

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Speaker 1: also had me thinking about another inspiring woman I met recently,

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Speaker 1: Kimberly Lewis.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 1: She attended an Easter Seals gala IMC and she came

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Speaker 1: up to introduce herself, telling me all about this group

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Speaker 1: of women she partnered with out in Charlotte for the

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Speaker 1: Empower Her Fund. She had several other women banded together

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Speaker 1: to create the fund and become principal owners of the

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Speaker 1: Gainbridge Super League team, the Carolina Ascent, and now they're

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Speaker 1: looking to expand ownership into other sports too. The women

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Speaker 1: are all execs and business leaders, brave enough to step

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Speaker 1: into the world of pro sports ownership because they want

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Speaker 1: to ensure that women are at the helm of women's teams.

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Speaker 1: Love Love. Also, the Ascent are in the Super League

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Speaker 1: semifinal this Sunday, taken on Jacksonville Sporting Jack's Club, so

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Speaker 1: you can watch them. It'll be on Peacock at five

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Speaker 1: pm Eastern. Ladies thank you for the inspiration for trying

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Speaker 1: new things, for being brave, and for stepping up to

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Speaker 1: the plate. Billy Jean King would be proud. We always

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Speaker 1: dancing round the kitchen in the refrigerator light, rating ten

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Speaker 1: out of ten minutes made to last a season review.

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Speaker 1: Last week, ESPN writer Right Thompson published an exceptional profile

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Speaker 1: of Steve Kerr, MNBA Golden State Warriors coach and co

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Speaker 1: owner of the Love San Francisco volleyball team with Yours Truly.

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Speaker 1: The story revealed that three years ago, Kerr worked lyrics

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Speaker 1: from Taylor Swift's song All Too Well into his answers

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Speaker 1: to questions at press conferences, like for instance, using the

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Speaker 1: line I walk through the door of the locker room

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Speaker 1: at halftime. Throughout the season, Kerr managed to include lyrics

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Speaker 1: from about half the song, crossing out lines as he went.

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Speaker 1: His son, who was in on the bit, edited them

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Speaker 1: into a video compilation and that found its way to Swift,

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Speaker 1: who thought it was funny. But till now the stunt

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Speaker 1: was kept secret, even though it happened in plain sight.

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Speaker 1: We're obsessed. Longtime listeners of this show will know that

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Speaker 1: I slipped Taylor Swift easter eggs into our first week

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Speaker 1: of shows. But maybe Kerr will inspire us to start again.

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Speaker 1: We've already done it in my head. In fact, maybe

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Speaker 1: we already did it during this very show. Did you

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Speaker 1: catch it now? It's your turn? Y'all rate and review,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, See you tomorrow. Good game, Cheryl, good game,

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Speaker 1: Portland Fire ogs you Glendale Community College for using an

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Speaker 1: AI name reading system to announce your graduates on commencement's

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Speaker 1: day and it skipped dozens of names. Ooh, these AI

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Speaker 1: commencement fails. Just keep giving. Good Game with Sarah Spain

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