WEBVTT - Ep71 - Ed Harris / "Kodachrome" 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:18.120 M h. You're listening to playback a Variety I Heart 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:22.200 Radio podcast. I'm your host, Variety Awards Editor Chris Tappily, 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:25.000 and I'm talking to actor Ed Harris today. He's in 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:26.840 the new film Code of Chrome, which you can check 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:30.040 out on Netflix now. Obviously one of our greats OSCAR 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:33.200 nominated performances and movies like Apolo thirteen. In The Truman Show, 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:35.639 we cover a little bit of everything in this episode. 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:59.920 So sit tight. This is playback. Okay, how you been? Man? Good? 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:01.880 A little sick about them? All right? I heard you 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:03.760 were late getting out of New York all the weather, 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:07.000 five and a half hour. It was some plane that 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:10.279 Boston didn't get out of Boston. Oh yeah, it starts 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:12.880 to back up. Let's say, you know, I just finished 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:17.720 this play Sunday afternoon, and my body just said you're done. 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:21.080 You know you're getting this fun. Cold came over. So 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:24.760 the plane ride was like pretty tough, but it's all right. 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:28.080 He's having to get creative on the lighting. By the way, 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:31.559 do you sleep on planes? Are you able to sleep 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:35.480 on Yeah? I wish I could. Man. My dad's the 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:37.680 same way. He'll just conk out as soon as he 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:41.560 says down to just naturally or do you have to 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:44.479 like no, no, I just yeah, I mean, especially since 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:47.920 I wasn't feeling well, I just crashed you. So usually 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:50.000 I just drink like a double of vodka soon as 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:55.559 ye like just all or so anyway, we're recording, sir, okay, 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:58.880 so we'll dive right in. I'm here today with Ed Harris, 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:01.600 one of my favorite actors, and I'm so happy to 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:02.880 be sitting here with you. Thank you for taking the 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:05.960 time to talk to me. Man, star of Code of Chrome. 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:10.040 It's a new Netflix movie, and uh, it totally slips 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:11.240 up on you, and I was a bit of a 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:13.600 mess by the time movie was over. I have to 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:19.080 admit tears were flowing. It's a beautiful performance, I must say. 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:23.880 And uh, but it's also, you know, within a genre 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.680 that was familiar. If shaunre is the word, I mean, 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:31.320 just the tropes of a father's son thing. Uh. And 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:33.360 you know, my first curiosity is how to keep it 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:36.160 fresh when you know it's something that is kind of 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:38.720 territory that's covered in the past, and how do you 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:42.000 keep something like that fresh? Well, I didn't have any 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:46.320 reference point of anything similar myself. I'm sure I've seen 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:50.120 something somewhere along away, you know. But I think Jonathan 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:53.720 Trouper wrote a pretty tight script, you know, and and 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:57.160 I really like Mark rosso on where he was coming 0:02:57.200 --> 0:03:01.400 from with it. Um and work with Jason was was 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:03.560 really a treat, you know. I mean, we got along 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:07.160 from the get go. We've never met prior to filming it, 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:10.800 but you know, to me, you get a script and 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:15.120 then that's your bible, and that's its own reference point 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:17.720 in a way, you know, and so you're just trying 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:20.080 to tell the truth of that story as well as 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:23.120 you can. It was interesting though, because off the page, 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:25.079 when you just read the script, the character that I 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:30.160 play it could have been it reads, It read a 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:33.600 lot more kind of flamboyant, a lot more kind of 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:41.240 caricaturists character. Caricature Yeah, is that a word? It is now? 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:47.120 But as soon as we shot remember one of the 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:49.840 very first shots and exactly what it was, but it 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:52.720 was like, no, no, no, that this just lives where 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.960 it lives. I mean, the guy's you know, he's old, 0:03:56.400 --> 0:04:01.600 he's feeble, he's had a great career, he's basically paid 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:06.880 no attention to his family for years. Uh, there's a 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:09.000 part of him that wants to rectify that, as as 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.240 difficult as it might be, and it's just playing the 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:14.480 truth of that. You know, it wasn't didn't call for 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:20.800 anything above and beyond some reality, you know what I mean. 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.000 If that makes any sense, Yeah, for sure, I mean, 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:24.880 I guess it kind of answers this question. But I 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.080 was just curious what you might have done to build 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:30.239 the inner life or even the exterior of the character 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:32.080 in interesting ways. Because I remember I spoke to you 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:34.120 a number of years back about the Way Back Peter 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:37.159 Weird film, which I loved. He said something that I 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.760 just thought was so awesome that you would just gone 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:42.800 to town on a stump in your backyard or something 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:46.520 with an ax. It had some really hard land up 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:48.760 top that I busted up with a pick axe for 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:52.120 a while, just manual labor for calls that you're not 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:53.719 going to see in the movie. But it just took 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:56.839 also just what it was like that just before forced labor, 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:59.480 you know what I mean, just to like do that 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.840 for no purpose other than you you have to really 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:06.560 gonna shoot you, you know what I mean? Um, because 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:11.680 I wasn't achieving anything doing that, you know what I mean? Yeah, 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:14.520 And in terms of this. I mean, you know, I 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:17.760 did buy a leak like a MP three camera and 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:21.000 started reading about because I that I didn't know that 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.960 much about photography, and I probably still don't, but at 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.200 least I let a lot more than I did before. 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.400 I mean, they gave us defessional professional photographers. Talked to 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:32.040 Steve McCurry for a while, who you know, he was 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:38.360 a famous photographer. My character's work is based on McCurry's work. 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:43.719 To actually show his his his quote quone photos. I 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:48.520 think at the end of the film, my character is 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:50.880 not based on his character at all in terms of 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:52.840 being a human being, but just to work and what 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.600 it was. Anyway, it was great talking to him and 0:05:55.680 --> 0:06:00.680 just uh playing that reality of being someone who who 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:05.919 has lived a selfish life in the sense of being 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:09.760 totally dedicated to his work and not giving a damn 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:14.280 about anything else. Uh. I don't live my life that way, 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:17.520 but I could certainly understand it, you know, and you're 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:21.719 put locking yourself into that and and it was fun 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.919 because the guy, because he doesn't really give a damn 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:29.719 about anything other than his work. He does, but he 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:33.000 can't allow himself to until later in the picture, you know, 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:36.039 in a way, you know, but there's a it was 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.120 a freedom about playing this guy, you know, in a 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:42.200 relaxation and I just kind of getting the groove off 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.279 here he is, take him and leave him. He started 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:47.200 to talking about Jason's today because there he co star 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:50.359 plays your son. Uh, you know, you end up in 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.159 some really emotional waters towards the end of the film. 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:55.760 So I would imagine the give and take of working 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:57.839 with the actor is important throughout the film and getting 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:00.280 to that place and making it feel real. So guess 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:02.600 just talk a little more about working with Jason, and well, 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:04.560 you know, we met, we met, we hadn't met everyone, 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:07.679 We've never met prior. Uh, certainly aware of his working 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.840 SNL and a couple of films he'd made, but right 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:12.920 off the bat, I mean, he's a very open guys. 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.440 Jason so smart, you know, and he's he's interested in 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:21.840 lots of different things and really dedicated actor professional, and 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:24.280 you know, it was a little bit of a departure 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.760 for him playing a role that wasn't in you know, 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:33.280 comedic uh throughout. I mean there's some funny stuff he 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.440 does in there, but it's not like a comedy role. 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:40.440 You know, there's a dramatic turn, you know, and uh, 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:44.640 we just really trusted each other and we both like 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:46.920 sports and we you know, we had some good really 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:48.880 good Catch has always been my mits with me when 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.800 I play, when I come to a set, and we 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:55.560 just got along, you know. And uh, you know, as 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:57.280 an actor, you just do what you gotta do to 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:59.480 make something work. So that's what we did. That's what 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.200 we were doing. I didn't know that you bring your mids, 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:03.920 you play catch a lot of thea when you're on set. 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.400 Oh yeah, It's just a nice way to relax, you know. 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:08.840 And it's also and it's a fun thing to do 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:12.000 with somebody because you're not talking, but you're sharing this energy. 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:13.960 You know, he's doing this thing back and forth, and 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:16.320 especially if somebody knows how to start to tell the ball, 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.840 it's fun. Right, Yeah, that's awesome. I want to talk 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.679 about Netflix. I mean, as a filmmaker yourself. Netflix acquired 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:26.880 this film out of Toronto. It's interesting. Yes, we do 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:30.040 have a Netflix still represented in the room. Um, it's 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:32.640 it's interesting a movie about code Chrome film and picked 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:34.440 up by Netflix. I just thought that was funny. But 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:36.640 I'm just curious as a filmmaking yourself. What do you 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.800 think about Netflix changing the game? I have very mixed 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:41.640 feelings about it, to tell you the truth. I mean, 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.400 I'm glad that they wanted to put the film out 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:47.840 in theaters, you know, even if it's just for a week, 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:50.240 that would be it would be nice if they would 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.520 have it out longer. The fact that they have I 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:55.679 don't know what a hundred and eighty eight million viewers 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.520 and a hundred ninety plus countries or something like that. 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:02.559 I mean, what can you say? I mean, I I 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.760 like seeing the difference of seeing a film on the 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.640 big screen and in your living room is huge to me. 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:13.560 Any film that works works better on a big screen 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:16.320 just does you get more out of it. It's just 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:20.480 more intense, it's more detailed, it's more you just it's 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:23.960 just a different experience, you know. So in that sense, 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:27.480 now that's where my mixed feelings come in. But then again, 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:31.040 the access to things. You know, first of all, you 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:35.440 go to any major city, any movie complex, and they've 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:38.120 got you know, four Avengers in there and a couple 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:41.280 of other films. I mean, it's just there's no there's 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:44.040 no place for films to be seen other than on 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:48.640 either Netflix or other cable stations. You know. So the 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.760 thing I don't understand about Netflix, and maybe somebody can 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:54.960 help me, is understand that is how you understand what's 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.800 gonna be on what a new films on Netflix? Okay, 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:02.360 so they do some advertising, but there's hundreds of films. 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:06.880 How how does anybody know? Yeah, how do you you know? 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.440 How do you specify, Hey, this is a film that's 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:11.719 coming out. I mean, I guess they're doing a good 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:13.640 job trying to promote this one of the reasons I'm 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:18.600 talking to you, but you know, but uh so it's 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.880 a mixed bag. You know. If I was going to 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:25.480 make a film, which I hope to do this falling, 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:31.920 I'm directed something since Thattloosa, just speaking personally, I would 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:36.080 not want to make it under the Netflix banner. Off 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:38.880 the Battless had to guarantee that it But even then 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:40.520 the guarantee would be, yeah, we'll put it in the 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:42.680 theaters for a week and it'll come out on Netflix 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:46.560 on the same day. Um, I don't know how I 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:48.559 feel about it, and they've got mixed emotions about it. 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:50.880 Feeling is about it, but I'm glad they picked it up. 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:54.320 I'm glad they believe in it. I'm where they're behind it. 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:58.040 I'm where they're promoting it. I hope people who don't 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:00.000 get a chance to see in the theaters do see 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.600 it on Netflix because I think it's a really cool film. Yeah. Well, 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:05.520 you bring up a good point. I mean the fact that, 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:10.240 you know, the spaces for some of these movies are 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:12.559 more and more limited in terms of the multiplex and 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:14.920 and whether they you know, I had a filmmaker on 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.080 the show last week, an independent filmmaker. He's worked in 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:19.840 like the shoe string space. He's made like two thousand 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:22.599 dollar films. He's got a new film called Gemini, and 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:26.199 so we were talking about, uh that and you know 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:28.040 the fact that the industry has gotten to a point 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:30.880 where the mid budget stuff has gone away. I mean, 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:32.839 like a movie like, for instance, I was going to 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:34.400 bring this up the Rock. It's one of my favorite 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:37.160 movies that you've ever done. And I feel like movies 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:39.839 like that can't really get made even anymore because it's 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:43.199 not based on like previously existing I P or something 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:45.679 like that. And it's nice that the Netflix is are 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:49.040 around to kind of shoulder that. I guess, you know 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:52.320 Netflix as well as you know HBO or whatever other 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:57.440 cable networks showed time or etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. I mean, yeah, 0:11:57.480 --> 0:11:59.760 a lot of stuff wouldn't get made because there's there's 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:01.439 no they don't put it in at there. I don't 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:03.040 know if that's how we're gonna turn around either, I 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:05.280 tell you the truth. I mean, I guess Marvel's got 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.800 to run out of property at some point. I don't 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:11.120 know if maybe not. We'll keep conjuring more. And not 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:13.160 that there's anything wrong with those things, but it just 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:18.000 doesn't have to it's almost you know, it's a glut. 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:21.720 It's a glut on the market. He started to touch 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:22.959 on this, So I I guess you're going to direct something 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:24.200 soon because I wanted to know if you were going 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:25.800 to get behind the camera. Well, I get this. They 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.440 wrote the script based on a novel called The plow Men, 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.040 which takes place in Montana, and I bought the rights 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:35.280 to the book, but maybe three years ago, got the 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:38.640 script a good place and hoping to shoot at this fall. 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:40.959 You know, then I think I'm on the verge of 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:45.040 getting it together. So Garrett Headline is gonna be doing it, 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:50.840 and uh, my wife Amy, hopefully my daughter Lily and 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:55.880 uh actor who I'm pretty sure of some renown the 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:58.320 older guy who I think could be great in the part. 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:02.240 But I can't really say it because it definitely cool. Well, yeah, 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:04.120 I mean, is that something where you've been itching to 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:06.120 get back to? Yeah, I mean directed? You know. The 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:08.720 last thing I did was Appoloosa, which was ten years ago, man, 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:11.480 which I find hard to believe. And I've really been 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:13.760 one the direction son because I just I love it, 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:16.719 you know. Uh. And there were a couple of things 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:18.960 I was interested in doing that the properties were owned 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.319 other people that were tied up one way or another, 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:24.439 you know, and I hadn't had you know, I read 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:26.240 quite a bit, but I never read anything that I 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:29.199 really felt could translate cinematically into something that I could 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:32.440 handle or felt worthy of doing until I read this. 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:34.120 You know. I saw this review in the New York 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:37.800 Times about this book and got it and optioned it. 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:39.800 And I think it could be really cool, you know, 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:43.800 so we'll see cool. I wanted to talk just branch 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:47.280 out a little bit. Surprised it's been ten years since Appaloosa. 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:48.959 Can you believe it's been thirty five years since The 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:53.079 Right Stuff Anniversary? This year that's crazy. One of my 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.679 favorite movies of all time. I had Jeff Goldblum on 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:57.520 the show a few weeks back actually talking a little 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:02.200 bit about this. But you know, just any memories that surface, Well, yeah, 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:05.160 we long, we lost Levon, we lost Sam last year. 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:11.520 I know, Phil Coffin's wife passed away. Uh, just talking 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.400 to Caleb about shooting this movie I want to make. 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:18.240 I'm hoping I can work with him again. Uh. You know, 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:20.760 see Kathy Baker once in a while and some of 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.120 the guys from the Founta Saint Fred Warden Ages I 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:26.600 haven't seen. I worked with Lance on Appaloosa. I haven't 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:29.960 seen Lance and Henderson's first spell Dennis Quad, I haven't 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.640 seen for a number of years. But yeah, it was 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:34.920 a really good it was very important time for me 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:38.120 and a lot of us. And uh, yeah, it was 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.600 a great experience, you know, working up in the Bay 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.120 Area mostly. And I love the fact that there's that 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.640 and then you obviously Apollo thirteen and you pop up 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:49.720 with this fun cameo of sorts and gravity the space 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.920 stuff in your career. Yeah, just kind of it's coincidental. 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.080 You know, people go, are you a huge space fan? 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:58.120 I mean you're totally into you know, space exploration and go. 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:01.520 Not necessarily, It's just like I've enjoyed doing those movies, 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.840 and I have a lot of respect for science and 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:10.880 and for research, especially you know, exploratory research. But you know, 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.720 it's just my involvement with those pictures has just been 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.600 kind of a coincidence. Really, what about Stephen King This 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:19.720 is a weird question. I was just kind of poking around, 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:23.160 uh some research before talking and I noticed, you know, 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:27.280 the Stand and Needful Things and going back to Creep Show. Yeah, 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:30.440 is that just another coincidence. I met Stephen when we 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.200 did Night Riders because he and George were buddies. Georgia 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:36.560 Merrill and Stephen actually has a part in that a 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:40.200 cameo always much on a hot dog being some obnoxious guy. 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.920 But there again just kind of you know, and then 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:46.080 George Wright to Creep Show it he asked me to 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.840 be in and the stand was kind of just h 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:52.240 a favorite. Georgia wouldn't be much of a role for me. 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.240 I don't recall as I recall, but I you know, 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:57.800 I've always enjoyed it, enjoy his books, you know, they're 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.840 always fun to read. He's a great writer and keeps 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:04.880 at it prolific and uh, but there again, it's just 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:08.240 kind of one of those things. Yeah, it seems like prolific, 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:09.960 to say the least. And it seems like there's always 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.080 a new wave of adaptations, like we're in the midst 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.320 of a new one, you know, with the his films, 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.240 you know, his books translate the film pretty dunn. Well, yeah, 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:20.600 they did, they do Mr Mercedes yet, did they think 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:24.560 recently work? Did you see? I didn't see it, but 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:26.840 they were definitely fans, So I guess it worked, you 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:30.200 know what I'm seeing. Uh, let's see what else, you know. 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:32.480 I wanted to step back and talk about last year. 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.800 What was it like Diving into Darren Aronofsky's brain for 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.840 Mother was pretty bizarre and really, I mean I really 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.320 like Darren a lot. You know, it was a tough 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:44.720 shoot because he works. He's very very meticulous, you know, 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:47.920 by his own admission, he gets to exorcise his O 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:52.520 c d S situation when he directs. So you're doing 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:56.280 thirty takes, thirty two takes, you know, and since the 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.720 pull picture shot from Jennifer's point of view, I mean 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.440 it's either on or over shoulder or what she's seeing 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.199 a lot of times like Michelle and I be you know, 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.640 we're walking up the stairs in the background while there's 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:11.920 a scene with Javier and and uh Jennifer and the foreground, 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:13.719 and you know, we're doing that thirty two times. They 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:17.240 have to wait because I'd be really curious when he 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:19.159 gets into cutting room which take he's using. You know, 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:21.200 I started using take number four, you know what I mean. 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.080 But it was cool because you kind of know that 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:27.080 going into it. I mean, he's a total visionary. I 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:31.800 mean the film obviously got very very mixed reaction. You know, 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:33.640 I got one buddy of mine loved it, and other 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:37.600 people who just didn't get it at all. You know, 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:40.680 my mother expected that. Oh wait, tell me my mother. 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:44.800 Of course, I don't know if we I don't know 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:48.840 how I sat through this act, you know. But no, 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:52.399 I mean I'd worked with Darren again because he's he 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:56.720 has a point of view, which I appreciate. Uh, let's 0:17:56.760 --> 0:18:00.320 see what else do I have here. I always curious 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:02.720 about Glenn Garry, Glenn Ross and talking to the people 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:05.159 that worked on that, and you guys all tear into 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:08.080 that dialogue and yeah, it was a trip work. You 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:11.200 got to work with Jack Lemon and that obviously Jack 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:15.760 and Alan Arkin, you know Arkin, I had a really 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:19.639 good time, you know, because we were doing several scenes together, 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:22.520 which I think worked pretty well, you know we Yeah, 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:24.560 I had a good time and getting to know Jack 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:26.879 a little bit before we left the planet was was 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:30.960 pleasant surprise and a nice good time. Tons of quotable 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:32.919 stuff in that movie, I mean was it was that 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:35.760 the feeling amongst actors beat the sense that you're able 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:38.480 to just kind of fiercely tear into this well, I 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:41.280 think so we rehearsed that. We rehearsed that more than 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:43.879 any other film I've ever done. And we had a 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:48.000 we rehearsed in the office space those scenes for a 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:51.560 couple of weeks, you know, like play almost you know, 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:54.080 you're based on the play with and I think that 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:56.240 really helped us all because most everybody was out of 0:18:56.280 --> 0:19:00.920 theater anyway doing that show, you know, Alan Having and everybody, 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:06.960 you know, Arkin and all the people in the show, Jack, etcetera. Um. 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:08.840 But yeah, and Jamie Foley, you know, I think they 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:11.680 did a really good job and he kind of left 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:14.360 the radar. I'm not sure what Jamie's up to these days. Yeah, 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:17.760 it's a great adaptation. Yeah, I think I think it. 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.520 I think it definitely did justice to the to the 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:24.760 do its work great atmosphere. I saw it on stage 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:26.919 a few years ago actually, when when Al did it 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:30.520 on stage and he played Jack's part, he played Levine. 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:33.400 Just kind of fun to see him take that on instead. 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:37.439 But yeah, I love that that work from David mamnitt Um. 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:39.440 Have you done anything else that he's written? I was 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:43.200 curious about that. And then we've got West World season 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.199 two is out. Uh, you know, I understand people have 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:48.600 been asking you about that a lot lately, but what 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:50.879 can you say about it? What's your experience been like 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:55.359 working on this show. I really like Joan and Lisa 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:58.520 a lot. Joan and Olan, Lisa, you know who created 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:04.040 this thing and who responsible for for its existence? Uh, 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:08.120 a lot of it. It's crazy because there's so much 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:11.719 going on, you know that I tend to gravitate to 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:14.280 to what my character is doing and what he's up to, 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:17.080 and that's kind of on a need to know basis, 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:19.280 that's what I need to know. I don't need to 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:24.360 know anything else, you know, because I find it, especially 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:27.040 when you at the end of the second season, we 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:30.800 were shooting like parts of you know, six different episodes 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:34.280 on two consecutive to two or three days with three 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:37.199 full crews. I mean, it just was crazy. So you 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:40.159 just got to focus on what your characters after and 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:43.120 what he's doing. You know, I enjoy doing a man 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:44.960 of Black, and he's a great character, you know, in 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:48.520 the in the second season. You know, somebody asked me 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:50.560 the other night, is he a protagonist? You see him 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:53.119 as a protagonist or an antagonist? And I said, I 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:56.320 se him as a protagonist for sure. I think particularly 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:58.679 in the second season, because he's after something that I 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:02.840 think is uh uh worthy. Cause are you one of 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:04.880 those that kind of feels like that, no matter who 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:07.440 you're playing, like, you don't think that the person thinks 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:09.600 that they're a bad person. Yeah, you know, you know, 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:15.679 well it depends unless the person is you know, wants 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:18.920 to be known as evil and considers himself evil. Then 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:22.800 and I guess you gotta get go there. But yeah, 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:25.800 I mean, it just depends. That's a good question, but 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:28.440 I don't know how to answer it. It's a fun 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:32.040 show because of the Western iconography, and obviously you've made 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:34.840 a Western. We've talked about westerns in the past. That 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:38.120