Speaker 1: M h. You're listening to playback a Variety I Heart
Speaker 1: Radio podcast. I'm your host, Variety Awards Editor Chris Tappily,
Speaker 1: and I'm talking to actor Ed Harris today. He's in
Speaker 1: the new film Code of Chrome, which you can check
Speaker 1: out on Netflix now. Obviously one of our greats OSCAR
Speaker 1: nominated performances and movies like Apolo thirteen. In The Truman Show,
Speaker 1: we cover a little bit of everything in this episode.
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Speaker 1: same way. He'll just conk out as soon as he
Speaker 1: says down to just naturally or do you have to
Speaker 1: like no, no, I just yeah, I mean, especially since
Speaker 1: I wasn't feeling well, I just crashed you. So usually
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Speaker 1: ye like just all or so anyway, we're recording, sir, okay,
Speaker 1: so we'll dive right in. I'm here today with Ed Harris,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite actors, and I'm so happy to
Speaker 1: be sitting here with you. Thank you for taking the
Speaker 1: time to talk to me. Man, star of Code of Chrome.
Speaker 1: It's a new Netflix movie, and uh, it totally slips
Speaker 1: up on you, and I was a bit of a
Speaker 1: mess by the time movie was over. I have to
Speaker 1: admit tears were flowing. It's a beautiful performance, I must say.
Speaker 1: And uh, but it's also, you know, within a genre
Speaker 1: that was familiar. If shaunre is the word, I mean,
Speaker 1: just the tropes of a father's son thing. Uh. And
Speaker 1: you know, my first curiosity is how to keep it
Speaker 1: fresh when you know it's something that is kind of
Speaker 1: territory that's covered in the past, and how do you
Speaker 1: keep something like that fresh? Well, I didn't have any
Speaker 1: reference point of anything similar myself. I'm sure I've seen
Speaker 1: something somewhere along away, you know. But I think Jonathan
Speaker 1: Trouper wrote a pretty tight script, you know, and and
Speaker 1: I really like Mark rosso on where he was coming
Speaker 1: from with it. Um and work with Jason was was
Speaker 1: really a treat, you know. I mean, we got along
Speaker 1: from the get go. We've never met prior to filming it,
Speaker 1: but you know, to me, you get a script and
Speaker 1: then that's your bible, and that's its own reference point
Speaker 1: in a way, you know, and so you're just trying
Speaker 1: to tell the truth of that story as well as
Speaker 1: you can. It was interesting though, because off the page,
Speaker 1: when you just read the script, the character that I
Speaker 1: play it could have been it reads, It read a
Speaker 1: lot more kind of flamboyant, a lot more kind of
Speaker 1: caricaturists character. Caricature Yeah, is that a word? It is now?
Speaker 1: But as soon as we shot remember one of the
Speaker 1: very first shots and exactly what it was, but it
Speaker 1: was like, no, no, no, that this just lives where
Speaker 1: it lives. I mean, the guy's you know, he's old,
Speaker 1: he's feeble, he's had a great career, he's basically paid
Speaker 1: no attention to his family for years. Uh, there's a
Speaker 1: part of him that wants to rectify that, as as
Speaker 1: difficult as it might be, and it's just playing the
Speaker 1: truth of that. You know, it wasn't didn't call for
Speaker 1: anything above and beyond some reality, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: If that makes any sense, Yeah, for sure, I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess it kind of answers this question. But I
Speaker 1: was just curious what you might have done to build
Speaker 1: the inner life or even the exterior of the character
Speaker 1: in interesting ways. Because I remember I spoke to you
Speaker 1: a number of years back about the Way Back Peter
Speaker 1: Weird film, which I loved. He said something that I
Speaker 1: just thought was so awesome that you would just gone
Speaker 1: to town on a stump in your backyard or something
Speaker 1: with an ax. It had some really hard land up
Speaker 1: top that I busted up with a pick axe for
Speaker 1: a while, just manual labor for calls that you're not
Speaker 1: going to see in the movie. But it just took
Speaker 1: also just what it was like that just before forced labor,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, just to like do that
Speaker 1: for no purpose other than you you have to really
Speaker 1: gonna shoot you, you know what I mean? Um, because
Speaker 1: I wasn't achieving anything doing that, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And in terms of this. I mean, you know, I
Speaker 1: did buy a leak like a MP three camera and
Speaker 1: started reading about because I that I didn't know that
Speaker 1: much about photography, and I probably still don't, but at
Speaker 1: least I let a lot more than I did before.
Speaker 1: I mean, they gave us defessional professional photographers. Talked to
Speaker 1: Steve McCurry for a while, who you know, he was
Speaker 1: a famous photographer. My character's work is based on McCurry's work.
Speaker 1: To actually show his his his quote quone photos. I
Speaker 1: think at the end of the film, my character is
Speaker 1: not based on his character at all in terms of
Speaker 1: being a human being, but just to work and what
Speaker 1: it was. Anyway, it was great talking to him and
Speaker 1: just uh playing that reality of being someone who who
Speaker 1: has lived a selfish life in the sense of being
Speaker 1: totally dedicated to his work and not giving a damn
Speaker 1: about anything else. Uh. I don't live my life that way,
Speaker 1: but I could certainly understand it, you know, and you're
Speaker 1: put locking yourself into that and and it was fun
Speaker 1: because the guy, because he doesn't really give a damn
Speaker 1: about anything other than his work. He does, but he
Speaker 1: can't allow himself to until later in the picture, you know,
Speaker 1: in a way, you know, but there's a it was
Speaker 1: a freedom about playing this guy, you know, in a
Speaker 1: relaxation and I just kind of getting the groove off
Speaker 1: here he is, take him and leave him. He started
Speaker 1: to talking about Jason's today because there he co star
Speaker 1: plays your son. Uh, you know, you end up in
Speaker 1: some really emotional waters towards the end of the film.
Speaker 1: So I would imagine the give and take of working
Speaker 1: with the actor is important throughout the film and getting
Speaker 1: to that place and making it feel real. So guess
Speaker 1: just talk a little more about working with Jason, and well,
Speaker 1: you know, we met, we met, we hadn't met everyone,
Speaker 1: We've never met prior. Uh, certainly aware of his working
Speaker 1: SNL and a couple of films he'd made, but right
Speaker 1: off the bat, I mean, he's a very open guys.
Speaker 1: Jason so smart, you know, and he's he's interested in
Speaker 1: lots of different things and really dedicated actor professional, and
Speaker 1: you know, it was a little bit of a departure
Speaker 1: for him playing a role that wasn't in you know,
Speaker 1: comedic uh throughout. I mean there's some funny stuff he
Speaker 1: does in there, but it's not like a comedy role.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a dramatic turn, you know, and uh,
Speaker 1: we just really trusted each other and we both like
Speaker 1: sports and we you know, we had some good really
Speaker 1: good Catch has always been my mits with me when
Speaker 1: I play, when I come to a set, and we
Speaker 1: just got along, you know. And uh, you know, as
Speaker 1: an actor, you just do what you gotta do to
Speaker 1: make something work. So that's what we did. That's what
Speaker 1: we were doing. I didn't know that you bring your mids,
Speaker 1: you play catch a lot of thea when you're on set.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, It's just a nice way to relax, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's also and it's a fun thing to do
Speaker 1: with somebody because you're not talking, but you're sharing this energy.
Speaker 1: You know, he's doing this thing back and forth, and
Speaker 1: especially if somebody knows how to start to tell the ball,
Speaker 1: it's fun. Right, Yeah, that's awesome. I want to talk
Speaker 1: about Netflix. I mean, as a filmmaker yourself. Netflix acquired
Speaker 1: this film out of Toronto. It's interesting. Yes, we do
Speaker 1: have a Netflix still represented in the room. Um, it's
Speaker 1: it's interesting a movie about code Chrome film and picked
Speaker 1: up by Netflix. I just thought that was funny. But
Speaker 1: I'm just curious as a filmmaking yourself. What do you
Speaker 1: think about Netflix changing the game? I have very mixed
Speaker 1: feelings about it, to tell you the truth. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that they wanted to put the film out
Speaker 1: in theaters, you know, even if it's just for a week,
Speaker 1: that would be it would be nice if they would
Speaker 1: have it out longer. The fact that they have I
Speaker 1: don't know what a hundred and eighty eight million viewers
Speaker 1: and a hundred ninety plus countries or something like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, what can you say? I mean, I I
Speaker 1: like seeing the difference of seeing a film on the
Speaker 1: big screen and in your living room is huge to me.
Speaker 1: Any film that works works better on a big screen
Speaker 1: just does you get more out of it. It's just
Speaker 1: more intense, it's more detailed, it's more you just it's
Speaker 1: just a different experience, you know. So in that sense,
Speaker 1: now that's where my mixed feelings come in. But then again,
Speaker 1: the access to things. You know, first of all, you
Speaker 1: go to any major city, any movie complex, and they've
Speaker 1: got you know, four Avengers in there and a couple
Speaker 1: of other films. I mean, it's just there's no there's
Speaker 1: no place for films to be seen other than on
Speaker 1: either Netflix or other cable stations. You know. So the
Speaker 1: thing I don't understand about Netflix, and maybe somebody can
Speaker 1: help me, is understand that is how you understand what's
Speaker 1: gonna be on what a new films on Netflix? Okay,
Speaker 1: so they do some advertising, but there's hundreds of films.
Speaker 1: How how does anybody know? Yeah, how do you you know?
Speaker 1: How do you specify, Hey, this is a film that's
Speaker 1: coming out. I mean, I guess they're doing a good
Speaker 1: job trying to promote this one of the reasons I'm
Speaker 1: talking to you, but you know, but uh so it's
Speaker 1: a mixed bag. You know. If I was going to
Speaker 1: make a film, which I hope to do this falling,
Speaker 1: I'm directed something since Thattloosa, just speaking personally, I would
Speaker 1: not want to make it under the Netflix banner. Off
Speaker 1: the Battless had to guarantee that it But even then
Speaker 1: the guarantee would be, yeah, we'll put it in the
Speaker 1: theaters for a week and it'll come out on Netflix
Speaker 1: on the same day. Um, I don't know how I
Speaker 1: feel about it, and they've got mixed emotions about it.
Speaker 1: Feeling is about it, but I'm glad they picked it up.
Speaker 1: I'm glad they believe in it. I'm where they're behind it.
Speaker 1: I'm where they're promoting it. I hope people who don't
Speaker 1: get a chance to see in the theaters do see
Speaker 1: it on Netflix because I think it's a really cool film. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: you bring up a good point. I mean the fact that,
Speaker 1: you know, the spaces for some of these movies are
Speaker 1: more and more limited in terms of the multiplex and
Speaker 1: and whether they you know, I had a filmmaker on
Speaker 1: the show last week, an independent filmmaker. He's worked in
Speaker 1: like the shoe string space. He's made like two thousand
Speaker 1: dollar films. He's got a new film called Gemini, and
Speaker 1: so we were talking about, uh that and you know
Speaker 1: the fact that the industry has gotten to a point
Speaker 1: where the mid budget stuff has gone away. I mean,
Speaker 1: like a movie like, for instance, I was going to
Speaker 1: bring this up the Rock. It's one of my favorite
Speaker 1: movies that you've ever done. And I feel like movies
Speaker 1: like that can't really get made even anymore because it's
Speaker 1: not based on like previously existing I P or something
Speaker 1: like that. And it's nice that the Netflix is are
Speaker 1: around to kind of shoulder that. I guess, you know
Speaker 1: Netflix as well as you know HBO or whatever other
Speaker 1: cable networks showed time or etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff wouldn't get made because there's there's
Speaker 1: no they don't put it in at there. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's how we're gonna turn around either, I
Speaker 1: tell you the truth. I mean, I guess Marvel's got
Speaker 1: to run out of property at some point. I don't
Speaker 1: know if maybe not. We'll keep conjuring more. And not
Speaker 1: that there's anything wrong with those things, but it just
Speaker 1: doesn't have to it's almost you know, it's a glut.
Speaker 1: It's a glut on the market. He started to touch
Speaker 1: on this, So I I guess you're going to direct something
Speaker 1: soon because I wanted to know if you were going
Speaker 1: to get behind the camera. Well, I get this. They
Speaker 1: wrote the script based on a novel called The plow Men,
Speaker 1: which takes place in Montana, and I bought the rights
Speaker 1: to the book, but maybe three years ago, got the
Speaker 1: script a good place and hoping to shoot at this fall.
Speaker 1: You know, then I think I'm on the verge of
Speaker 1: getting it together. So Garrett Headline is gonna be doing it,
Speaker 1: and uh, my wife Amy, hopefully my daughter Lily and
Speaker 1: uh actor who I'm pretty sure of some renown the
Speaker 1: older guy who I think could be great in the part.
Speaker 1: But I can't really say it because it definitely cool. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, is that something where you've been itching to
Speaker 1: get back to? Yeah, I mean directed? You know. The
Speaker 1: last thing I did was Appoloosa, which was ten years ago, man,
Speaker 1: which I find hard to believe. And I've really been
Speaker 1: one the direction son because I just I love it,
Speaker 1: you know. Uh. And there were a couple of things
Speaker 1: I was interested in doing that the properties were owned
Speaker 1: other people that were tied up one way or another,
Speaker 1: you know, and I hadn't had you know, I read
Speaker 1: quite a bit, but I never read anything that I
Speaker 1: really felt could translate cinematically into something that I could
Speaker 1: handle or felt worthy of doing until I read this.
Speaker 1: You know. I saw this review in the New York
Speaker 1: Times about this book and got it and optioned it.
Speaker 1: And I think it could be really cool, you know,
Speaker 1: so we'll see cool. I wanted to talk just branch
Speaker 1: out a little bit. Surprised it's been ten years since Appaloosa.
Speaker 1: Can you believe it's been thirty five years since The
Speaker 1: Right Stuff Anniversary? This year that's crazy. One of my
Speaker 1: favorite movies of all time. I had Jeff Goldblum on
Speaker 1: the show a few weeks back actually talking a little
Speaker 1: bit about this. But you know, just any memories that surface, Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we long, we lost Levon, we lost Sam last year.
Speaker 1: I know, Phil Coffin's wife passed away. Uh, just talking
Speaker 1: to Caleb about shooting this movie I want to make.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping I can work with him again. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: see Kathy Baker once in a while and some of
Speaker 1: the guys from the Founta Saint Fred Warden Ages I
Speaker 1: haven't seen. I worked with Lance on Appaloosa. I haven't
Speaker 1: seen Lance and Henderson's first spell Dennis Quad, I haven't
Speaker 1: seen for a number of years. But yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a really good it was very important time for me
Speaker 1: and a lot of us. And uh, yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a great experience, you know, working up in the Bay
Speaker 1: Area mostly. And I love the fact that there's that
Speaker 1: and then you obviously Apollo thirteen and you pop up
Speaker 1: with this fun cameo of sorts and gravity the space
Speaker 1: stuff in your career. Yeah, just kind of it's coincidental.
Speaker 1: You know, people go, are you a huge space fan?
Speaker 1: I mean you're totally into you know, space exploration and go.
Speaker 1: Not necessarily, It's just like I've enjoyed doing those movies,
Speaker 1: and I have a lot of respect for science and
Speaker 1: and for research, especially you know, exploratory research. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's just my involvement with those pictures has just been
Speaker 1: kind of a coincidence. Really, what about Stephen King This
Speaker 1: is a weird question. I was just kind of poking around,
Speaker 1: uh some research before talking and I noticed, you know,
Speaker 1: the Stand and Needful Things and going back to Creep Show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is that just another coincidence. I met Stephen when we
Speaker 1: did Night Riders because he and George were buddies. Georgia
Speaker 1: Merrill and Stephen actually has a part in that a
Speaker 1: cameo always much on a hot dog being some obnoxious guy.
Speaker 1: But there again just kind of you know, and then
Speaker 1: George Wright to Creep Show it he asked me to
Speaker 1: be in and the stand was kind of just h
Speaker 1: a favorite. Georgia wouldn't be much of a role for me.
Speaker 1: I don't recall as I recall, but I you know,
Speaker 1: I've always enjoyed it, enjoy his books, you know, they're
Speaker 1: always fun to read. He's a great writer and keeps
Speaker 1: at it prolific and uh, but there again, it's just
Speaker 1: kind of one of those things. Yeah, it seems like prolific,
Speaker 1: to say the least. And it seems like there's always
Speaker 1: a new wave of adaptations, like we're in the midst
Speaker 1: of a new one, you know, with the his films,
Speaker 1: you know, his books translate the film pretty dunn. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: they did, they do Mr Mercedes yet, did they think
Speaker 1: recently work? Did you see? I didn't see it, but
Speaker 1: they were definitely fans, So I guess it worked, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm seeing. Uh, let's see what else, you know.
Speaker 1: I wanted to step back and talk about last year.
Speaker 1: What was it like Diving into Darren Aronofsky's brain for
Speaker 1: Mother was pretty bizarre and really, I mean I really
Speaker 1: like Darren a lot. You know, it was a tough
Speaker 1: shoot because he works. He's very very meticulous, you know,
Speaker 1: by his own admission, he gets to exorcise his O
Speaker 1: c d S situation when he directs. So you're doing
Speaker 1: thirty takes, thirty two takes, you know, and since the
Speaker 1: pull picture shot from Jennifer's point of view, I mean
Speaker 1: it's either on or over shoulder or what she's seeing
Speaker 1: a lot of times like Michelle and I be you know,
Speaker 1: we're walking up the stairs in the background while there's
Speaker 1: a scene with Javier and and uh Jennifer and the foreground,
Speaker 1: and you know, we're doing that thirty two times. They
Speaker 1: have to wait because I'd be really curious when he
Speaker 1: gets into cutting room which take he's using. You know,
Speaker 1: I started using take number four, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But it was cool because you kind of know that
Speaker 1: going into it. I mean, he's a total visionary. I
Speaker 1: mean the film obviously got very very mixed reaction. You know,
Speaker 1: I got one buddy of mine loved it, and other
Speaker 1: people who just didn't get it at all. You know,
Speaker 1: my mother expected that. Oh wait, tell me my mother.
Speaker 1: Of course, I don't know if we I don't know
Speaker 1: how I sat through this act, you know. But no,
Speaker 1: I mean I'd worked with Darren again because he's he
Speaker 1: has a point of view, which I appreciate. Uh, let's
Speaker 1: see what else do I have here. I always curious
Speaker 1: about Glenn Garry, Glenn Ross and talking to the people
Speaker 1: that worked on that, and you guys all tear into
Speaker 1: that dialogue and yeah, it was a trip work. You
Speaker 1: got to work with Jack Lemon and that obviously Jack
Speaker 1: and Alan Arkin, you know Arkin, I had a really
Speaker 1: good time, you know, because we were doing several scenes together,
Speaker 1: which I think worked pretty well, you know we Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had a good time and getting to know Jack
Speaker 1: a little bit before we left the planet was was
Speaker 1: pleasant surprise and a nice good time. Tons of quotable
Speaker 1: stuff in that movie, I mean was it was that
Speaker 1: the feeling amongst actors beat the sense that you're able
Speaker 1: to just kind of fiercely tear into this well, I
Speaker 1: think so we rehearsed that. We rehearsed that more than
Speaker 1: any other film I've ever done. And we had a
Speaker 1: we rehearsed in the office space those scenes for a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, you know, like play almost you know,
Speaker 1: you're based on the play with and I think that
Speaker 1: really helped us all because most everybody was out of
Speaker 1: theater anyway doing that show, you know, Alan Having and everybody,
Speaker 1: you know, Arkin and all the people in the show, Jack, etcetera. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and Jamie Foley, you know, I think they
Speaker 1: did a really good job and he kind of left
Speaker 1: the radar. I'm not sure what Jamie's up to these days. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a great adaptation. Yeah, I think I think it.
Speaker 1: I think it definitely did justice to the to the
Speaker 1: do its work great atmosphere. I saw it on stage
Speaker 1: a few years ago actually, when when Al did it
Speaker 1: on stage and he played Jack's part, he played Levine.
Speaker 1: Just kind of fun to see him take that on instead.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I love that that work from David mamnitt Um.
Speaker 1: Have you done anything else that he's written? I was
Speaker 1: curious about that. And then we've got West World season
Speaker 1: two is out. Uh, you know, I understand people have
Speaker 1: been asking you about that a lot lately, but what
Speaker 1: can you say about it? What's your experience been like
Speaker 1: working on this show. I really like Joan and Lisa
Speaker 1: a lot. Joan and Olan, Lisa, you know who created
Speaker 1: this thing and who responsible for for its existence? Uh,
Speaker 1: a lot of it. It's crazy because there's so much
Speaker 1: going on, you know that I tend to gravitate to
Speaker 1: to what my character is doing and what he's up to,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of on a need to know basis,
Speaker 1: that's what I need to know. I don't need to
Speaker 1: know anything else, you know, because I find it, especially
Speaker 1: when you at the end of the second season, we
Speaker 1: were shooting like parts of you know, six different episodes
Speaker 1: on two consecutive to two or three days with three
Speaker 1: full crews. I mean, it just was crazy. So you
Speaker 1: just got to focus on what your characters after and
Speaker 1: what he's doing. You know, I enjoy doing a man
Speaker 1: of Black, and he's a great character, you know, in
Speaker 1: the in the second season. You know, somebody asked me
Speaker 1: the other night, is he a protagonist? You see him
Speaker 1: as a protagonist or an antagonist? And I said, I
Speaker 1: se him as a protagonist for sure. I think particularly
Speaker 1: in the second season, because he's after something that I
Speaker 1: think is uh uh worthy. Cause are you one of
Speaker 1: those that kind of feels like that, no matter who
Speaker 1: you're playing, like, you don't think that the person thinks
Speaker 1: that they're a bad person. Yeah, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: well it depends unless the person is you know, wants
Speaker 1: to be known as evil and considers himself evil. Then
Speaker 1: and I guess you gotta get go there. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it just depends. That's a good question, but
Speaker 1: I don't know how to answer it. It's a fun
Speaker 1: show because of the Western iconography, and obviously you've made
Speaker 1: a Western. We've talked about westerns in the past. That
Speaker 1: genre seems to always kind of be trying to kick
Speaker 1: back to look three service, in which I'm glad of.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's part of the whole Americana
Speaker 1: syndrome and the whole history of our country. And I
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna go away and keep popping up.
Speaker 1: I mean, I really like Apple Loosa because I really
Speaker 1: feel it was a throwback in a way, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It was it takes its time, and
Speaker 1: it's not a kind of cuts in it. It's not
Speaker 1: some act fast paced cut cut cut cut kind of deal.
Speaker 1: You know. It wasn't trying to be modern in any way.
Speaker 1: And that's what I like about the gin of myself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very classical. Uh do you think it can maintain
Speaker 1: relevance in the modern climate, you know, because it's in
Speaker 1: some ways it's I don't know, good question. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's an honor that always wrangles with what's going
Speaker 1: on contemporarily in some way anyway, right, Like it's it's
Speaker 1: it always seems like the best Western good and evil. Yeah,
Speaker 1: basically sure, Yeah, you know, good guys trying to overcome
Speaker 1: the bad guys pretty universal, and there was a miss this.
Speaker 1: There's another anniversary going on this year that you're involved in.
Speaker 1: Twenty years since Truman show. Kay another Peter were joint.
Speaker 1: If you go any any memories of that come come back.
Speaker 1: Just doing it, you know, and then meeting Peter on
Speaker 1: the beach in Malibu, not like only three or four
Speaker 1: days before I started filming, because I replaced another actor.
Speaker 1: You know that they didn't Peter and he didn't see
Speaker 1: eye to eye. So Peter asked me if I do
Speaker 1: this thing? And I had loved his films prior. You
Speaker 1: know that I've seen Picknicker Hanging Rock and uh, you
Speaker 1: know I thing he did with Harrison, Uh, you knows
Speaker 1: Witness was tremendous and fearless. I love, yeah, yeah, with
Speaker 1: Jeff and so yeah, I was excited. You know. I
Speaker 1: didn't have much time to think about it, which was
Speaker 1: probably a good thing. I just kind of went in
Speaker 1: there and did it. It's a perfect little movie. I
Speaker 1: mean I saw it, and I say a little because
Speaker 1: it's so tight. I mean I'll watched it again a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. Actually, No, it's very contained. He's
Speaker 1: a wonderful filmmaker. I know he was kind of I'm
Speaker 1: pretty I think he was pretty devastated by the way
Speaker 1: The Way Back was handled because the finance series basically
Speaker 1: pulled out of it. I mean, he've got I think
Speaker 1: mixed reviews. I don't read reviews, but I think it
Speaker 1: kind of got mixed notices in Toronto. And they didn't
Speaker 1: publicize it all in the stage. I mean, they put
Speaker 1: one ad and pay for the only nothing. I'm I
Speaker 1: was going to theater with a buddy on a Tuesday night.
Speaker 1: We were the only people in the theater. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a good, good film man. The guys are totally
Speaker 1: thorough filmmaker, beautiful filmmaker. And I don't know what he's
Speaker 1: been doing since, because that The Way Back was was
Speaker 1: doing nine. It was almost ten years ago, and I
Speaker 1: don't think Peter has made another film since. I know.
Speaker 1: I hope he's working on something, though. I was lucky
Speaker 1: enough to talk to him that year. I saw the
Speaker 1: film and Tell Your Right at the Film Festival, and uh,
Speaker 1: he was receiving a tribute that year, and uh, it's
Speaker 1: a pleasure to talk to him. Hopefully you guys can
Speaker 1: work together again, and I'd love to, you know. And
Speaker 1: so she's been on a roll since then. Yeah. Absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's growing up. Uh make sure I've covered everything. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're you're the kind of guy. If I don't pull
Speaker 1: out quickly, then we will end up talking about your
Speaker 1: entire career. But please see Code of Chrome. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be on Netflix and hopefully at at a theater near
Speaker 1: you for a week anyway, And uh, Harris, thank you man.
Speaker 1: Thanks killing go to the theater and see it if
Speaker 1: you get a minute. I still wasn't Joey. Thanks Chris,