1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: All right, here we go PAC twelve fans. This one's 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: for you. This it's the PAC twelve Apostles and only 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: the Truth lives here Pack twelve Apostles Apostles. We're back 4 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: Pack twelve Apostles. I'm George Reiser, He's Ralph Ams that 5 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: we got a lot to talk about. People, We got 6 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: a lot to talk about. But of course we always 7 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: have to catch you up on what has been going on. 8 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 1: So what what's been up with you? Ralph's this last episode? Well, 9 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 1: I don't know what things are like out where you're at, 10 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: but here in the Southeast, we are experiencing record heat, 11 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: which triggered an early spring. So gardens, blooming, trees are 12 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: blooming two months earlier than they should have, which means 13 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: everything's probably gonna get old off again when it gets cold. 14 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: And uh in March. So it's been kind of wild. 15 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: Everything's green, there's bees and birds. There was a mole 16 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: that I caught in my in my yard yesterday. They 17 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: don't even wake up until spring. We got toads hopping 18 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 1: around because their hibernation ended early. It's like, uh, there 19 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: are some weather anomalies happening, and I heard it might 20 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: be the same out by you. Yeah. Well, well first 21 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: thing is, yo, did you, um, did you create a 22 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: froged situation over where you're at your your house. I 23 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: sent you the video of the of the dude and 24 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: the frog and the fits. Yeah, so I uh, every 25 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: once in a while at TikTok comes along that you 26 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: have to watch about fifty times. And you said that 27 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: one to me last night. And it's like a guy 28 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: with a three D printer who found a frog in 29 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: his fence and he built it a home, and then 30 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: other frogs came and he built damn homes, and then 31 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: apostle m came and he built them a place to stay. Um, 32 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: it is incredible what some people can do with their 33 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: with their free time. That is a that is that's 34 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: something that would like make people download TikTok and then 35 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: everything else on TikTok would make you immediately remove it 36 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: from your phone. Dude, I'm getting into TikTok. Bro getting 37 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: into TikTok because, um, apparently there's a lot of useful 38 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: information and cool, cool stories on there that's different than reels. 39 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: Because like my kids don't watch Instagram, they they are 40 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: and I became an Instagram watcher. And now I'm slowly 41 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: integrating into TikTok Instagram's ruined. Instagram is completely like it. 42 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: It's all suggested posts. So if you've got if you 43 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: got an Instagram for the purpose of following your friends 44 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: and family and people that you're interested in, too too bad. 45 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: Almost drop that bomb right there, too too bad, because 46 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: it's just what Mark Zuckerberg wants you to see instead 47 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: of what you actually we're choosing to follow. I went 48 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: through my son just got Instagram. He's fourteen, and I 49 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: went through his feed, and one in every six posts 50 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: is somebody he follows. One in six the rest are 51 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: suggestions or ads. The ads I don't mind. But like, 52 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: we're really subjecting. And I know people are gonna say, well, 53 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: you're a terrible parents for letting your kid on Instagram. 54 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: It's on my phone, Like I'm it's on my phone. 55 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: I'm monitoring it. But like the whole thing is that, 56 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: I promise you that is not what parents are gonna 57 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: say to you, because some of these parents are letting 58 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: their kids run run wild on Bill Gates Interweb. Yeah right, 59 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying is people are so mad at 60 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: the school the school systems in doctrine any of my kids. Meanwhile, 61 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: your kids over on Instagram, like Zuckerberg's just putting whatever 62 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: he wants in their feed. At least on TikTok, you 63 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: know exactly what you're getting, which is like content from 64 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: everywhere sent to you based on an algorith him. I 65 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: think that's why people sign up for TikTok. I think 66 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: that's the point of TikTok. Instagram is supposed to be 67 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: the stuff that you chose to follow. Twitter is getting 68 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: like that too, turning into like an old man, get 69 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: off my wrong. Well for me being kind of busy, 70 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: been hitting up a couple of colleges on visits. Been 71 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: to Colorado, Colorado State, So you're going back to school? No, No, 72 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: absolutely not my now seventeen year old son. We are 73 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: doing the whole recruiting thing. Just picked up a few offers. 74 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: We've been visiting places. A lot of places are interested 75 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: because he's a because he's a kid. I wouldn't call 76 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: him a late bloomer. Would you call him a late bloomer? No, Like, like, 77 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: I don't even know what to call him because he 78 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: was I guess late to playing. He didn't play his 79 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: first tackle football game. Till twenty twenty one, and now 80 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: he's a junior. So it's so it's like an experience. 81 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: He's new, but in talent he's not new. But he 82 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: played basketball at a high level. He's at it. He 83 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: was out of Sierra Canyon the baseball Boys, James and 84 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 1: baseball you said was one of his favorite sports, and 85 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,679 Speaker 1: he played that for a long time, So it wasn't 86 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: he wasn't locked in. I don't think that's late Bloomer. 87 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: I think that's That's exactly what every coach in America 88 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: is telling you to do, is to like make sure 89 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: your kid doesn't specialize, make sure they have an appreciation 90 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: for the way that you use different muscle groupings and 91 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: stuff like that. Your son did the thing that you're 92 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: supposed to do, but because nobody does what you're supposed 93 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: to do, it makes your son look like he's behind 94 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: the eight ball, which in the recruiting game can be 95 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: tough because a lot of these quarterbacks get their biggest 96 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: offers is sophomores that has to live up to them. 97 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: Your son's going into the spring of after his junior 98 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: year and his stuff is just starting to ramp up. Yeah, 99 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: and I'm actually kind of happy about that. To be honest, 100 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: it just creates a lot less pressure. I mean, he 101 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: probably feels some pressure in terms of, oh man, I 102 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: want these offers, this, this, this, But at the same time, 103 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: like worst case scenario, he goes to Old Dominion or 104 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: Yale like like what are we talking about here, like 105 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: like that's the floor right now? Yeah? Yeah, And I mean, 106 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure that you spent a lot of You're you're 107 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: somebody who kind of more so than me, and you've 108 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: and you've you've probably worked with me on this, but 109 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: you like envision what the future could be like, and 110 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: you put yourself in that situation so that when it arises, 111 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: you're not surprised. For me, every day's an adventure. But 112 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: like you, you do a good job. Some people call 113 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: it manifesting, some people just you know, setting goals or whatever. 114 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: But your son is going through some of the stuff 115 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: that you envisioned would be happening at this point, maybe 116 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: not at the speed that you thought it would be happening, 117 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: maybe not some of the same schools that you thought 118 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: would be involved, but you're you're in it. You you 119 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: were in it mentally a while back, and now you're 120 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: actually in it physically? Is it? What is it like 121 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: being a big time recruits dad? Right? Like what is 122 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: that experience like for you? Okay, So I don't know 123 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: what the I guess I've been around enough five stars 124 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: now to understand what their life is like to like 125 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: understand what his life is like, you know what I mean? 126 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: And so for Damon, I kind of take the lead 127 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: kind of with the recruiting stuff the way he doesn't 128 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: have to, Like he doesn't mind talking to the coaches, 129 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: And there are some kids that just love it, right, 130 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: that love the process, love talking to the coaches every day. 131 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: And he's like, hey, yo, Dad, just just tell me 132 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: where we're going and we'll go, you know what I mean? Like, 133 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: and I mean, I talk to him about what schools 134 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: he's interested in, teams he wants to throw, for stuff 135 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: that he actually wants, right, And then my job is 136 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: to figure out how to either make that happen or 137 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: to direct the path to where it is. Because there's 138 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: because there's some people in the recruiting game that are 139 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: so hyper focused on the name on the front or 140 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: the back of the jersey, like that you know, big state. 141 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: They want to go to USC only or UCLA or 142 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: Oregon or or you know, Florida State, Ohio, State of Alabama. 143 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: And if you end up at Colorado State, or you 144 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: end up at Rice, or you end up like that, 145 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: they feel like that's a failure. You know, they end 146 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: up at Mississippi State instead of you know, uh LSU, 147 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: they feel like that's a failure or some kind of 148 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: reflection on them as a parent, like that they didn't 149 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: do a good job. Oh my god, my kids at 150 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: Houston instead of Texas. That's fine. He all, he's winning. 151 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: And if you look at that as a blessing instead 152 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: of looking at it as a disappointment. I mean, all 153 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: their hard work, it didn't go in vain, and truth 154 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: be told, they are no further away from their dream. 155 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: If their dream is to be a professional athlete, they 156 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: are no further away from it at Houston then they 157 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: are at Alabama. I mean, And that's what like, they're 158 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: no further away from their dream at North Dakota State, 159 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: which has had two quarterbacks taken, they have one where 160 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: trade lessons number two right three overall, I think. Yeah, 161 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 1: so they've had Carson Wentz yeah, which went two two. Okay, Yeah, 162 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: So like you're no further away from your dream at 163 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: North Dakota State, then you are at USC. Because a 164 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: bunch of quarterbacks that came through USC recently, they they 165 00:09:55,720 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: ain't been number two overall. So so and that's the thing, 166 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: is that if we can get comfortable as parents making 167 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: sure that our kid goes where they fit and chasing 168 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: coaching and the best college experience, then that's where you win. 169 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: Like it's not about the jersey on the front or 170 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: the back of the of the of the of the thing. 171 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: And so that's something that I've constantly reiterated to my 172 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: son is we're not worried about the logo, buddy, we 173 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: are going to get Like it's nice to feel wanted 174 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: by the logos, but even bigger than that, it's more 175 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: important that he gets to the optimal place for him 176 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: the way we don't have to hop into portal, the 177 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: way we don't have to you know, do any of 178 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: that get where you need to be? Think about it. 179 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: You got some vacation time, you worked your ass off, 180 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: you you accrue some vacation time. You decide you want 181 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: to take the family to a theme park. You could 182 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: go to Disneyland, you could get those Mickey Mouse ears, 183 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: you could wait in line with everybody else. But if 184 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: that weekend, you know for a fact there's not a 185 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: single soul at Knoxbury Farms except for the people that 186 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: are there to strap you in and put you on 187 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: those roller coasters, where are you going to have a 188 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: better time? Nut's very far right, because as long as 189 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: there are as long as there are roving packs of 190 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: wild kids. But like, but like that that's the truth 191 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: is like, yeah, yeah, you want to be able to 192 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: tell people you went to Disneyland. You want to pose 193 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: for a picture and put on Instagram with the mouse 194 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: ears or whatever. But where are you going to have 195 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: a better time? Like, where is all of the work 196 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: that you put in to get you to this point? 197 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: Where is it going to pay off the most? I 198 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: rock two schools. My mom went to University of Wyoming. 199 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: I had multiple uncles go to University of Wyoming. I 200 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: went to Arizona State. My wife went to Arizona State. 201 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: I love them both. There are more people in the 202 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: NFL from Wyoming than there are in Arizona State. That's 203 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: just that's the fact that matter ended. Josh Allen end Up, 204 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: what was he the tenth pick in the draft? Seventh. 205 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: They think, does he end up the seventh pick in 206 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: the draft if he goes to Ohio State, or do 207 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: we never hear about him? That's yeah, that's a great point. 208 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: That's a great point. It depends. He kind of opened 209 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: the door for a guy like Anthony Richardson to not 210 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: have the greatest stats in the world and be looked 211 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: at as a top overall pick based on But I 212 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: think that that's different. And you're coming and you're talking 213 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: to a guy who was completely wrong about Josh Josh Allen, 214 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: and but comparing Anthony Richardson, because I went back and 215 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: watched some Josh Allen take his wide receiver. He was 216 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: completely outmatched on the outside every time he played a 217 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: good team, when they played Oregon, when they played other 218 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: good teams, his players were completely outmatched. That's why he 219 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: looks so bad. Yeah, Josh and Anthony Richardson, they won 220 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: to make him Josh Allen. But as was Florida's talent 221 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: as good on the outside as it was, I mean, 222 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: as it usually is, No, but they weren't outmatched to 223 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: that level, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, that's the Ricky, 224 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: that's Ricky. Piersall would have been the best receiver that 225 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: Josh Shallon ever had. Like that's a that's a difference. 226 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: But my whole thing is like if but if you 227 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: go somewhere where you actually get to play, get to 228 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: face adversity, get to overcome it, maybe be in some elements, 229 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: but you get to play right, you'll get reps. That's 230 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: that's super important. Um. And that doesn't mean that you 231 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: have to go to a lower level school. You should 232 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: just go where where it's the best fit. But these coaches, 233 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 1: these coaches will say things they don't believe to get 234 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: you in the door. Yes, they really will. And if 235 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: you know what's funny is you know sounder though. Two, 236 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: if they approach me differently then they do some of 237 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: their parents. I wonder if my conversation with some coaches 238 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: is different than other parents. Probably, Well, what do you 239 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: think the question is that parents who don't have the 240 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: experience that you had. What do you think their primary 241 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: question is for a position coach or coordinator or head coach? Um, 242 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: what do you think? What do you think the burning 243 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: question is when if if it's a place they know 244 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: that they're interested in, they know that their kids interested in, 245 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: and there's mutual interest on that side, and you could 246 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: ask one question, what do you think those parents are asking? 247 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: Oh now nowadays in il or playing time, one of 248 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: the two. I think maybe that's what dads are asking, 249 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: That's not what moms are asking. Moms are asking, are 250 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: you going to take care of my kid? Are you 251 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: gonna take care of my kids? One hundred percent of 252 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: the time that is that is the only thing, or 253 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: the predominant thing that the are concerned with. Are you 254 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: going to and take care? Could mean a million different 255 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: things depending on who you are in your situation, but 256 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: I think that's the overarching concern of most parents going 257 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: into this who don't have the experience you have of 258 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: being a recruit of going through this process. Not in 259 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: the social media era, but you still went through the process, 260 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: and you've been alongside Harlan Rashatta as Jade Rashatta went 261 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: through everything. You know Bryce Young's dad really well, you 262 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: know Nico's family. You've been around all these people. There 263 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: are people who go in saying like, no, this is 264 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: what my son needs to succeed. I'm going to give 265 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: you the book on my son and you you take 266 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: it and run with it. You I'm gonna give you 267 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: the baton and you take it and run with it. 268 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: But I think most parents are just like, hey, is 269 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: my son gonna be okay in your program? And every 270 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: coach is gonna be like, of course, but that's not 271 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: the truth facts. And me, I feel like I can 272 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: see through some of that because understanding the situations and 273 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: the landscape and where where coaches are maybe in their career, 274 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: they're knowing the hot seats, the temperature of the universities, 275 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: having some insights because of a bunch of players that 276 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: I played with and against our coaches now that I 277 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: can pick up the phone and talk to Yeah. So, 278 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: so it is very interesting to see how all of 279 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: this really shakes shake shakes out. But then, but then 280 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: one of the biggest questions is is you know, like 281 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: what these coaches really think about you and necessarily your situation. 282 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: And part of that was the Dion Sanders comments, right, yeah, um, well, 283 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: which ones we got? We gotta clarify because it seems 284 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: like he's become quite a lightning rod um And I, 285 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: you know, I think he definitely puts himself in a 286 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: situation where, you know, he demands a certain level of 287 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: attention based on on his history. He knows that the 288 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: stuff he says is going to make news or be 289 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: misconstrued intentionally or unintentionally. He knows all that stuff. Um, so, 290 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: what which comments are you referring to? Oh, the one 291 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 1: about the ones about the parrots, like like what he's 292 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: looking for from certain position groups, talking about like the 293 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: a quarterback needs to be a two two parent home 294 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: high GPA, but you're but your your defensive lineman, gotta 295 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: have a single mama, go to bed hungry, uh, trying 296 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 1: to buy their mama house. That whole thing, yes, that 297 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: was now that rubbed people the wrong way all together. 298 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: I understand why people are upset about Dion's comments because 299 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: it feels like an attack on black families to some people. 300 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: And I like, he didn't say that at all. It's 301 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: like as soon as somebody says something about single mothers 302 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: or anything like that, they automatically associate that with black folks. 303 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: But that ain't the case. That is not the case. 304 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: And if you look at Deon's situation, his kids didn't 305 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: grow up in a two parent home, and the way 306 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: that it comes across in the way that people took it. 307 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: But I believe the way that Deon Minted was that 308 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 1: that you want them to be coming from an emotionally 309 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: healthy and stable home. That way, they don't have to 310 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: worry about the outside stuff, Like they don't feel as 311 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: much pressure to go get it, you know what I mean, 312 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: Because there's already enough pressure at the quarterback position. Okay, 313 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: but there's grievance merchants out there who are looking for 314 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: reasons to be upset every single day. Sometimes Dion Sanders 315 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: comes in, he gives them a free meal, right like that. 316 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: But you're in a different situation. You have a son 317 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: who's a seventeen year old quarterback who's been out to Boulder. 318 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: It's on his list. You like Colorado, you cover the 319 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: Pack twelve. You hear Dion say this when it first 320 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 1: hit your ear, did you have to go through the 321 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 1: thought process of like, oh is he talking about me? Yes? Yes, 322 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: I did, because we have a blended family and it's 323 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: and that's the reason why I guess some people were 324 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: triggered because the media narrative is, oh, so many unweed 325 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: black black mothers, and the statistics show that that there 326 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: are more in terms of a higher percentage of unweed 327 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: black mothers then there are white white mothers right. However, However, 328 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: when you look at the amount of black fathers who 329 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: are involved in their kids life on a very high level, 330 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: that number is like exkews the thing because it's not 331 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: just that fathers are completely absent. For instance, we have 332 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: a blended family. I'm with my kids like like in 333 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: some sort of capacity four or five days a week, 334 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: every single week or or that entire week. You know 335 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because we do a week on week 336 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: off sation situation. But then I see them at practice, 337 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: I see them at their games. We talked. I was 338 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: just like, for instance, he's with his mom this week. 339 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: I was at him with at his doctor's appointment this morning. 340 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: So it's so I understand everybody's circumstances different, but you 341 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: but you know my son and you know our situation. 342 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 1: Was Dion talking to to us because he's a kid 343 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: that doesn't get in trouble. We just got an offer 344 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: from Yale. Grades are really good, he's a leader all that, 345 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: it works really hard. So was he was deon talking 346 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: to me and my family? I didn't feel that way. 347 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: And when you die, you called me and you're like, 348 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: would he consider me to be a two parent home. 349 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: I was like, you probably consider yours to be a 350 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: four parent home. You you have like that. It takes 351 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: a village mentality like what parenting used to be when 352 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: we were a little bit more, you know, tribal up 353 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: before the last few hundred years or whatever. But here's 354 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: here's my thing. A blended family can often represent the 355 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: best of what a family can be because in order 356 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: to have a functional blended family, you have to operate 357 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: with grace. Grace is the only thing that keeps a 358 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: family together. Yes, that's a fact, Jack. The blended family 359 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 1: that I grew up in might as well have been 360 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: put it in a blender family because it was chaos, right, 361 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: it's better. It's sometimes a nuclear family, a traditional nuclear 362 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: family can be a blender too, or or a nuclear 363 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: bomb family exactly. It really just depends on and So 364 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: I think that people take things personally, they process things personally. 365 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: Maybe take things personally gives the wrong connotation. Like I 366 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: did say that people do look to get offended, But 367 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: there's people that were offended that don't look to get 368 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: offended because they process things personally. When they when they say, like, oh, 369 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: so it does Dion think that there's something wrong with 370 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: me or my family or my Patrick situation Paris together. 371 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, but I do know that, Like, 372 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: there are quarterbacks that people pointed to saying like, oh, 373 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: Dion wouldn't take CJ. Strout, Yeah, because his father went 374 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: to went to jail when when he was in when 375 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: when he was in like yeah, early high school. They're 376 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: right before high school started. But conversely, he said he 377 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: wants single mom, hungry dog d Lineman, which is how 378 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: I've heard every coach talk in private that has those 379 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: types of you. I've not every coach in the world, 380 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: but like I hear enough coaches talk like that in 381 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: private to know that Dion's just saying publicly, what yeah, 382 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: the quiet part out loud and and now that does 383 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: that mean he wouldn't take Aiden Aiden Hutchinson J Watt. Yeah. 384 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 1: So so here's the situation, and I want people, hopefully 385 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: people can hear it the right way is that in 386 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: certain positions, particularly a quarterback, you do want a kid 387 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: that gets good grades in school because you want him 388 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,959 Speaker 1: to be set. But because it's an indication. It's not 389 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: always right, but it's an indication typically that you are 390 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: self motivated, that you're organized, that you kind of know 391 00:23:54,359 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: how to handle your time and energy, and then you're 392 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: not riff riff raffing because if you are getting getting 393 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: your grades, if you have a very high GPA, you're 394 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: probably missing out on some of the parties, some of 395 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: the things to make sure that your school work is 396 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: where it needs to be. So that's the first thing. 397 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: Second thing is with the amount of pressure that comes 398 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: at the quarterback position, the amount of good decisions that 399 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: have to be made, the leadership that you do have 400 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: to display. That I mean, and how many studies show 401 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: that kids that come from two parent homes are typically 402 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: you know that you're more likely to not get arrested, 403 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: you're more likely to not do drugs, like that that yes, 404 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: there are outliers to all statistics, but that those things 405 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: are kind of a good jumping off point to like 406 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: to like to help like that that that should be 407 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: your template and not necessarily your like your criteria if 408 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: that makes sense, of course, And I want I want 409 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 1: people to say, like, oh, does that mean that like 410 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: single moms or single dads can't do the job. And 411 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: it's not it's not like that. It's that single parent 412 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: homes are often no parent homes because you have to 413 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: take care of your family, which takes you away from 414 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: your family. Yeah, that's that's the burden. I mean, that's 415 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: that's the burden of parenthood and the blessing of of 416 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: of COVID, which put a lot of people in situations, 417 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: situations that might be driving them insane. But like, I 418 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: love being around my kids, and I love being around 419 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: my wife. And since people have been allowed to work 420 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: from home, I see my kids and I see my 421 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: wife all day every day. Do they like it as 422 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,719 Speaker 1: much as me? Probably not, But like I love, I 423 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: love it, right, I love just spending the time with them, 424 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: getting to be around them because they're not always going 425 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: to be here. They age quick. When you and I 426 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 1: started doing shows together, your oldest was the age that 427 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: my two oldest are, right, and it happened so fast, 428 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: and so you know what, I just I just want 429 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: people to understand that, Like it seemed like he was 430 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: doing a comedy bit. Most comedy bits have one foot 431 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: in truth, one foot in stereotype. And you know, is 432 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: he gonna take two parent home? Five star d Lineman? 433 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: Of course? Yep. If the best quarterback in the country's 434 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: dad got cancer, when he was five and passed away 435 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,719 Speaker 1: or mom's incarcerated. Is he gonna take that quarterback if 436 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: he's a good fit a Colorado Of course, a lot 437 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: of the stuff that Dion says you have to take 438 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: with a grain of salt. But if any other quarterback, 439 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: if any other coach in the country is saying this stuff, 440 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 1: we're probably not talking about it as much because Dion 441 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: just commands this attention. There's thirty thousand people going to 442 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: Colorado spring game, George. How many games did they not 443 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: have third thousand people at their actual game? Probably probably 444 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: at least half of their home games. It's the effect 445 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 1: that he's having on Colorado football is enormous, and I 446 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: applaud Colorado for taking this risk, but it is a risk. 447 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: He does talk like a youth football coach who is 448 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: coaching at the highest level. He's very informal with the 449 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: stuff he says. But I will say that when he 450 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: told those players face like when he faced and he said, 451 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna some of you guys aren't going to be here, 452 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: That's how coaches talk. When he talked about the type 453 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: of when it because it comes down to like if 454 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: you have two players of equal talent, you're going to 455 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: start looking at peripheral things, and in a meeting room, 456 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 1: if it's NFL scouts or if it's college coaches, they're 457 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: gonna say, what's his home life? Like how is dealing 458 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: with his parents? Are they Are they okay to deal with? 459 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,959 Speaker 1: Are they going to stay out of our way? Like 460 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: they go through all these peripheral things. They're much more serious, 461 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: non flippant conversations like this one appeared to be. But 462 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 1: you know, he's going to continue to say things and 463 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: people are going to contin you to to be weirded 464 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: out by the way the way he does things. But 465 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: he's not on an island. Dion is a And here's 466 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: the other part that people really have to understand about 467 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: Dion Sanders. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk 468 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at 469 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: Fox sports Radio dot com and within the iHeart Radio 470 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: app search f SR to listen live. Dion's about Dion 471 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: like like that that that like, yes, he will help 472 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: other people along the way, But this is about the 473 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: brand of coach prime that that that and that yes 474 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: he wants to win, Yes he wants to help people 475 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: while he's there, Like like like I do believe that 476 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: he does have a heart to help people, that he's 477 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: well intentioned. But at the end of the day, Dion 478 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: gonna make the best decision for Dion. Yes, And everybody 479 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: knows someone or knows of someone that is delusional. They 480 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: have delusions of grand injured, right, Deon Sanders has realities 481 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: of grandeur. That's a fact that's making and he makes 482 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: it happen. He's the head coach of University of Colorado. 483 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: Dion Sanders is the head coach of a Pac twelve 484 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: football team, not even ten years after, yes, not even 485 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: ten years after, you know, everything going going weird over 486 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: at prime prime. Yeah, yeah, that's that is wild, incredible, incredible. 487 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: All right, Um, now, the Pac twelve survival of the conference, 488 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: I think the conference's own life support at this point 489 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: point in time with the media rights deal and you're 490 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: trying to pull the plug. I saw your Twitter. What 491 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: do you what do you mean? You said it's time 492 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: to go. It is for for Oregon and watching this 493 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: time to go? I acute? Do you understand that Wilner, 494 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,959 Speaker 1: who is super plugged in, who's been on this program 495 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: multiple times, has talked about the number for the conference 496 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: has probably high twenties, high twenty million dollars a year. 497 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: You can't even pay the freaking coaching staff. You can't 498 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: pay the coaching staff, support staff and all of that 499 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: at twenty some million dollars. How are you supposed to 500 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: keep coaches when you got to pay them three million 501 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: dollars a year and then the next year after they 502 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: have success and show promise, here comes Rutgers man like, hey, yo, yo, 503 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: we'll pay you six and a half million, and your 504 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: staff will get double their salaries too. If the whole 505 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: building is gonna walk out the building except for the 506 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: guy who gets the head coaching job and the guys 507 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,719 Speaker 1: who are lower level than get you know, promoted to 508 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: OC and DC, everybody else is going out the door. 509 00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: And we've heard rumors about Ion TV, Apple TV all 510 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: it is and I am not an Ion TV Home 511 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: of Law and Order SVU by the way, Yeah, and 512 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: you did a deep dive on what's on ion t TV, 513 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,239 Speaker 1: So tell tell the people for those who don't know 514 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: what's on Ion t TV, even though it's available on 515 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: most providers, what's on it? There are days when they 516 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: have several days a week, not just days. There are 517 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: several days a week when they have ten hour marathons 518 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: of either Blue Bloods, which is a Tom tom Selleck show, 519 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: I believe, like a police Procedures and if and Tom 520 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: Selleck is like Brad Pitt for octogenarians. My grandfather, if 521 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: he was still alive, he'd be in his eighties. Batman 522 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: loved Tom Selleck. So that as Blue Bloods, and then 523 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: Lawn Order SVU, which has been on for like twenty 524 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: three years. Yeah, so we're talking about reruns where Richard 525 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: Belzer was still alive and didn't have to color his hair. 526 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: And that's ten hours a day of that, followed by 527 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: Washington State at Oregon State. Yeah, you're like, what what 528 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: is the lead in? You know what I mean? What 529 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: is the lead in? And and and then there's the 530 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: Apple t TV, which is significantly more intriguing, right, Yes. 531 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: And I heard Josh Pete talk about this and I 532 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: responded to his tweet he said that listen, you guys 533 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: can stop. It's not going to all streaming sports live 534 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: sports will never go to all streaming, and I tweeted him, 535 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: I set hold on, I think you're confusing streaming only 536 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: with the medium that the that they are delivered in 537 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: so Comcast, UM Direct TV other providers like that. They 538 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: are dying slowly, but they are being replaced by streaming 539 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: only options, which are like Hulu TV and YouTube TV. 540 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: They are traditional. I mean they're they're There's no difference 541 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: between Hulu TV, YouTube TV, and Comcast or direct TV 542 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: except for the ease and accessibility. Like there literally is 543 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: no difference. So when you say streaming only, it's not 544 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: just like it's is it available on television per providers Like, 545 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: do I think that live sports in the near future 546 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: will be on that you could have NBA games only 547 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: on Peacock or only on ESPN plus no, No, because 548 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: that limits the amount of eyeballs that can see it. 549 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: But do I believe that they will be available on 550 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: all of them? Absolutely, that they will come up with 551 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: some partnership for live sports, like the Big ten is 552 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: done with Peacock, NBC all of that because Peacock is NBC. Yeah. 553 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: I think the PAC twelve is afraid of jumping into 554 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: the streaming pool for a couple of reasons. And you 555 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: you brought up the High, the high twenty millions, And 556 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: the funniest thing about that is, like, imagine you live 557 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: on a block where everybody has a Hummer, right, and 558 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: you save and you save and you save so you 559 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: can keep up with the Joneses. And finally one day 560 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: you come home with a Hummer and you park it 561 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: in the driveway and you look around and everybody has 562 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,919 Speaker 1: a Tesla and you look over and gas is five 563 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: dollars a gallon. That's gas is sixty dollars a gallon. Yeah, yeah, 564 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: And so that's the position I feel like the PAC 565 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: twelve is in right now. Well, I think one of 566 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: the reasons they're afraid to go all in with a 567 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: with a streaming provider, which is what I would do 568 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: in an attempt to just save the confould, I would not. 569 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: It's like, that's the problem is that maybe Oregon State 570 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,399 Speaker 1: and Washington State would go for that, But if you're 571 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: Oregon and washinges it, who are premier brands out in 572 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:02,240 Speaker 1: the country, right, Yeah, why on earth would you sign 573 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,760 Speaker 1: up for that for such little money? Because the most 574 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: important ability in sports for the PAC twelve at this 575 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: point in time is availability. And we've talked about that 576 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: because I had said that I would just give stuff 577 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: away for free at this point because but what I 578 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: think the PAC twelve is afraid of is the real 579 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,399 Speaker 1: numbers because when they talk about PAC twelve network, they 580 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,760 Speaker 1: talk about the homes it's available in, not who's watching 581 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: it correct, not who is watching it. They are basically saying, like, hey, 582 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: and we I've said this a million times, there are 583 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:41,359 Speaker 1: like six Applebee's in an airport in Orlando that are 584 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,879 Speaker 1: still open at two in the morning and have PAC 585 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: twelve network on because there's nothing else to have on 586 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: those count But that's not active viewership and that's not 587 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 1: doing anything for you. Your concern always should have been 588 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,320 Speaker 1: access in your footprints. We yelled at Larry Scott for 589 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: five years before Yes, yes, CBS, yep the channel that 590 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 1: your TV is just on, Yes, exactly, magically turn it 591 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:20,760 Speaker 1: on exactly CB like getting on Like Larry Scott's biggest 592 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: crime was his two biggest crimes were number one because like, 593 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 1: you could have dealt with the length of the contract everything, 594 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: because you had Washington and Oregon make the college football playoff, right, 595 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: So you could have dealt with the length of the 596 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: contract if either one of two things had happened. If 597 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: you had done whatever you needed to do to close 598 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: Texas and Oklahoma, which was essentially give Texas the Longhorn network. Okay, 599 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,240 Speaker 1: so that would have been one thing, And the second 600 00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: biggest crime was not getting on erect TV, because whatever 601 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: deal that you needed to make for the PAC twelve 602 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: networks to get on direct TV, that's what you needed 603 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: to do. The idiocy of saying, oh, man, yeah, but 604 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: we're we're gonna own a one hundred percent of our 605 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: media rights? What good? How long have I been saying this, Ralph? 606 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,240 Speaker 1: What year do we meet? We have been doing stuff. 607 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: I think since like twenty eighteen. Okay, so five freaking years. 608 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: I've been screaming this at the clouds. So if I 609 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,879 Speaker 1: could see this coming, why couldn't the president see it coming? Why? 610 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: I mean? I mean, I do fashion to myself as 611 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: a Ford thinker. I'm technology driven. But I can't be 612 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 1: the only one that saw this, or can I be 613 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: the only person who saw this in twenty eighteen? And 614 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: then when the SEC signed that deal with ESPN two 615 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 1: three years ago, I was like, it's over. It is 616 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: literally over. You better go get CBS right now. If 617 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:10,439 Speaker 1: you're the PAC twelve, like, fuck this contract. The PAC 618 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 1: twelve networks are not making money, they will be fine 619 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 1: if you can pay them because if you can pay 620 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: to get out of a grant of rights like Texas 621 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 1: and Oklahoma did early, you can pay to get out 622 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: of these PAC twelve network contracts. Because they ain't nearly 623 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 1: that much money they wanted. They wanted to spend that 624 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,720 Speaker 1: money on rent. Yes, oh, the rent on the building. 625 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 1: Like the craziest part if you guys don't remember the 626 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 1: PAC twelve building that they were in in San Francisco. 627 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: They signed a lease right, and as soon as they 628 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: signed the lease, the building was immediately sold. And turns 629 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: out the PAC twelve paid more rent in those ten 630 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 1: years then the building actually costs. So then you could 631 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: have had an asset that you could so for two 632 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars now instead of instead of paying ninety 633 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 1: million dollars in like dummies, right, and then you had 634 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: the SEC commissioner making like eight times less than Larry 635 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: Scott for salary. Will you talk about like you were 636 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: like Larry Scott's two biggest crimes, We're out here building 637 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 1: a rico case like he Uh, it's tough too, because 638 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 1: you know, I've listened to other PAC twelve podcasts. I 639 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: listened to other people who comment and talk about the 640 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 1: Pac twelve regularly, and they Everyone's kind of always got 641 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,240 Speaker 1: this question of like, at what point do we start 642 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 1: holding George Clouds accountable for not being able to hum 643 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: adequately land the plane that Larry Scott pointed directly at 644 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 1: the ground before he jumped out, it was ten feet 645 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 1: off the ground. When when when when he took control 646 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,799 Speaker 1: of the plane, there was nothing he could do to 647 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: keep usc in U c l A. They left like 648 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 1: thirty minutes after after literally like thirty minutes after he 649 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,880 Speaker 1: took the job. You were like, oh damn, they go 650 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: so so at that, And then people are like, well, 651 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,240 Speaker 1: you could have merged with the Big twelve, the Big twelve. 652 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 1: What's it gonna merge with the back twelve? What about now? 653 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 1: Do you think we're gonna see Baylor's talking about maybe 654 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: taking the bailish president. I don't know if you have 655 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 1: that quote, but that they were talking about the possibility 656 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: of maybe taking more teams or yes, I don't know 657 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: if because they're talking about the damn corner schools. They're 658 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: talking about Utah, Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State. But Arizona State 659 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: won't move unless Arizona moves. But which is which is 660 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: weird because you wouldn't think that Arizona would be more 661 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: powerful than Arizona State. But I guess the basketball thing 662 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 1: kind of uh yeah, gives them a bitch. This is 663 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: the thing that breaks my heart about the Arizona Arizona 664 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:59,839 Speaker 1: sports media, um I of of which I was one 665 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,319 Speaker 1: for a long time. Their soft as hell. I'm out 666 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,879 Speaker 1: here in Charlotte Kevin Durant debuts tonight. There is one 667 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,759 Speaker 1: member of the media that traveled that isn't like a 668 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: beat reporter for Kevin Durant's debut. Name any other major 669 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 1: American city where Kevin Durant was having a debut where 670 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 1: one media member would show up, it's oh god, non existent. 671 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,399 Speaker 1: Phoenix medium has always been like Charman, Charman, Charman soft, 672 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,400 Speaker 1: which allows people in power to get away with a 673 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,919 Speaker 1: whole lot and the idea that no one out here 674 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 1: is trying to hold Michael Crowe accountable for the fact 675 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 1: that he is the one who held up Larry Scott 676 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 1: for years and aggressively, so talking down to people who 677 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: would ask about whether or not you know, the conference 678 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,320 Speaker 1: should move on from somebody who is actively harming them, 679 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,359 Speaker 1: and even I mean, look at something as wild as 680 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,719 Speaker 1: herm Edwards probably quit right after they got beat by 681 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:04,359 Speaker 1: Eastern Michigan. He probably quit. He most likely quit. When 682 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:10,360 Speaker 1: you quit, you don't get any money. But Ray Anderson, 683 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 1: the athletic director, said that it was a mutual agreement 684 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 1: and they paid him half of what he was owed. 685 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 1: So her Medwords probably quit and they gave him millions 686 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,840 Speaker 1: of dollars even though he was owed absolutely nothing. He 687 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 1: wrecked and ravaged the program through negligence that was enabled 688 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,279 Speaker 1: by Ray Anderson. I put this on Ray Anderson way 689 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 1: more than I do on on her Edwords. But Ray 690 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 1: Anderson made sure that his friend and former client was 691 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: paid out after probably quitting. And then any time it 692 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 1: has arisen that Kenny Dillingham might be a good hire, 693 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,600 Speaker 1: Ray Anderson says, well, you know, I knew we had 694 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,279 Speaker 1: to make that move, so I made it. So now 695 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 1: he's implying that he fired her. If he fired her 696 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 1: and he owes him twice as much money as he got. Hey, 697 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 1: there's nobody in air Zona to ask any of these questions. 698 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,719 Speaker 1: And I would love, I would love for somebody in 699 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: the Arizona media to put the screws to the president 700 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,720 Speaker 1: of Arizona State University because if ASU does, if ASU 701 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 1: jump ship, they're all following. Yep. Because that's the thing 702 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,360 Speaker 1: about being last in line is when you decide to 703 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 1: be first, everybody else was already ready to go. So 704 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 1: if Arizona State makes the decision to put the nail 705 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: in the coffin of this conference after actively participating to 706 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: kill the conference through their leadership, like, that's something that 707 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,160 Speaker 1: people should have been calling bullshit on all along, and 708 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 1: I've just never I've never seen it happen, and it's 709 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 1: it's very, very frustrating to me. But you don't, so 710 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,880 Speaker 1: you don't see it as like, and what about this 711 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 1: ACC thing, oh, with the potential merger with the ACC, right, 712 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 1: not gonna happen. Not gonna happen. Bro, I mean, I 713 00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: guess that's a last ditch life raft because because the AC, like, 714 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,719 Speaker 1: if you are Oregon in Washington, well, actually, if you 715 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:12,239 Speaker 1: are every other team except for Oregon in Washington, Okay, yeah, 716 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna get paid in the thirties of millions per 717 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 1: per year, but you're still gonna be uh like fifty 718 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,920 Speaker 1: percent less than the big ten in the big ten 719 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,439 Speaker 1: in the SEC. But okay, that's that's reasonable. But if 720 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: you are Oregon and Washington, why on earth would you 721 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: get into another grant of rights that's that's through twenty 722 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 1: thirty six. It's literally the that's worse than the situation 723 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,640 Speaker 1: that you just came out of. You might as well. Yes, 724 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,520 Speaker 1: if Florida State already wants out, like they're calculating costs 725 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 1: of like, oh, if we spend one hundred and twenty 726 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,760 Speaker 1: million dollars to get out, can we get our grant 727 00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,600 Speaker 1: of rights with that one hundred and twenty million million dollars? 728 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 1: Because it would be more beneficial to them to pay 729 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,920 Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty million dollars to get out of 730 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:13,279 Speaker 1: a contract and go to the SEC and the PAC 731 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,839 Speaker 1: twelve's talking Are people talking about the PAC twelve are 732 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,759 Speaker 1: talking about? Like, Yeah, let's jump into that situation, the 733 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,440 Speaker 1: one that the one of the cornerstone schools of the 734 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: Florida Yeah, where Florida State and Clemson one out and 735 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,359 Speaker 1: North Carolina all one out. Yeah here here, I love 736 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,080 Speaker 1: I love the conference. Uh, it's sort of being ruined 737 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,560 Speaker 1: by the LA schools leaving, But I think you could 738 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,160 Speaker 1: survive with the addition of a couple of decent schools. 739 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,600 Speaker 1: I think San Diego State and SMU could be those schools. 740 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 1: I really do. Oh, I don't think they saved No, 741 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,200 Speaker 1: I don't think they saved the conference. I think that 742 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:51,800 Speaker 1: like they that they they'd be. It'd be like hospice 743 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,120 Speaker 1: for Do you realize that even if USC and UCLA 744 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,680 Speaker 1: were here in the conference? Right? Yeah, yes, there would 745 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,440 Speaker 1: be a media deal done, but it would not It 746 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,960 Speaker 1: still would not even come close to what it needs 747 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,880 Speaker 1: to be. That's true or tier teams. Here is the 748 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,239 Speaker 1: simple fact. I'm gonna put it as simply as I 749 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:17,520 Speaker 1: possibly can. University of Oregon and University of Washington and 750 00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:26,040 Speaker 1: University of Utah have every right to believe that their 751 00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:33,600 Speaker 1: football team on television is worth Vanderbilt on television, Perdue 752 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,840 Speaker 1: on television, Iowa stayed on television, have every right and 753 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,799 Speaker 1: reason to believe that. And because they have every right 754 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,839 Speaker 1: and reason to believe that it's possible that the death 755 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:49,560 Speaker 1: of our conference is imminent, Oregon has every right to 756 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,480 Speaker 1: believe that they are as valuable as a television property 757 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:59,120 Speaker 1: as Perdue. Yeah, that's nothing against Purdue. I'm saying they 758 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:03,319 Speaker 1: have every right to think they're equal. Yep. You are 759 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:08,360 Speaker 1: one hundred percent right, brod percent right. Maybe not everybody 760 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,640 Speaker 1: else has the right to think that way. That's going 761 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,759 Speaker 1: to be left in the PAC twelve after the LA 762 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:20,279 Speaker 1: schools leave, But certainly Arizona Basketball, certainly Arizona Basketball has 763 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:28,880 Speaker 1: to believe that they are worth what any other school 764 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:34,440 Speaker 1: in the countries worth. That's the way they treat themselves. Yeah, 765 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,360 Speaker 1: there are there are more reasons to leave than reasons 766 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,520 Speaker 1: to stay right now, which brings us to the statement 767 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,640 Speaker 1: that we're all united statement that was put out by 768 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:54,160 Speaker 1: by the ten PAC twelve schools that are left. Yeah, 769 00:47:54,160 --> 00:48:00,359 Speaker 1: who was that for? George Coffs ego, Dude. Any time 770 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 1: you put out a statement of of that's like the 771 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:12,680 Speaker 1: dreaded vote of confidence from the general manager. Any statement 772 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:17,439 Speaker 1: of any kind is typically bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep, 773 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,160 Speaker 1: unless you're making a statement we extended Kirby smart today, 774 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,120 Speaker 1: all right, cool, I mean not in your own household, 775 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:29,399 Speaker 1: Like here here's my statement on why I ate your 776 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,280 Speaker 1: pint of ben and Jerry's and mine over the last week. 777 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,320 Speaker 1: You're not issuing a statement on how you didn't write 778 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,240 Speaker 1: like yeah, You're typically in trouble if you're having issue 779 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,560 Speaker 1: some kind of a. This is very true. This is 780 00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,200 Speaker 1: very very true, and so I don't get it. Who 781 00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,520 Speaker 1: is it for? It added nothing, It gave us absolutely nothing. 782 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,239 Speaker 1: It was basically just said, nothing's changed. Why did we 783 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,440 Speaker 1: need everybody's signatures on that? Is that for TV networks 784 00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,440 Speaker 1: to let them know, like, hey, we're we're not breaking up. 785 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,799 Speaker 1: If you want to invest, come invest well? And why 786 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:09,040 Speaker 1: can't use negotiations be done behind closed doors? Well? Now, okay, 787 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,799 Speaker 1: so we know that Fox is out, right, we know 788 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,920 Speaker 1: that ESPN is definitely out. They have plenty of inventory, Like, 789 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,720 Speaker 1: they don't even want you for the late games because 790 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,719 Speaker 1: now the big the Big twelve can take all the 791 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:27,280 Speaker 1: late games. Like, you don't have options at this point 792 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,560 Speaker 1: because you weren't pro proactive. So I guess we can 793 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:35,800 Speaker 1: finish this part of the conversation of what's the finish line? 794 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, I just want to clarify. You're saying you 795 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:46,160 Speaker 1: would rather die than stream. Um, I no, no, no, no, 796 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,319 Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm the conference, no, I would not 797 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,600 Speaker 1: rather die than stream. I'm saying that as a person 798 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,399 Speaker 1: who loves the Back twelve with all my heart, right, 799 00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,319 Speaker 1: but also loves the Oregon a little bit more, right, 800 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,759 Speaker 1: so I mean, at some point it co comes out 801 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:10,400 Speaker 1: for self preservation. USC and UCLA took the lifeboat already, 802 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:16,120 Speaker 1: they took the first escape hatch, And now I wish 803 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,960 Speaker 1: that Oregon and Washington, who who are bitter rivals, right, 804 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:24,040 Speaker 1: I've been very vocal about how I feel about Washington, Like, 805 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,120 Speaker 1: for instance, Jen Cohen is now on the College Football 806 00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:31,799 Speaker 1: Playoff Committee, and I'm like, oh man, she ain't gonna 807 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,040 Speaker 1: vote for Oregon, but you know what, at this point 808 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,919 Speaker 1: in point point in time, she has to believe, just 809 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,600 Speaker 1: like all Oregon fans have to believe in all Washington 810 00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,719 Speaker 1: fans have to believe. Because I've been on Twitter defending 811 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,319 Speaker 1: Washington when when people like, oh they're not a yes, 812 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,600 Speaker 1: they are major browns, shut your face, because this is 813 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,480 Speaker 1: a East coast West coast. This is crips and Blood's 814 00:50:55,560 --> 00:51:01,319 Speaker 1: treaty right right here, we must act in like there's 815 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:07,000 Speaker 1: a difference between an ally and what a friend like. 816 00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:11,279 Speaker 1: We are aligned for this moment in time on this 817 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:15,440 Speaker 1: one subject, and then after that we'll get back to it. Right, 818 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,799 Speaker 1: the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and right 819 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:23,279 Speaker 1: now the ultimate enemy is irrelevance. Yes, yep, it's it's irrelevance, 820 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,480 Speaker 1: So what So, what do you think the Finnish line 821 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,040 Speaker 1: looks like? Now that we have presidents talking? I hate 822 00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,160 Speaker 1: that question. I hate that question because when you say 823 00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,000 Speaker 1: finish line, it's like, what do you think our last 824 00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,640 Speaker 1: breath looks like? No? No, no no, no, no, no no 825 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:41,839 Speaker 1: no, no no, screaming wall falling off a cliff like no. 826 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,200 Speaker 1: I'm asking what do you think the Finnish line looks like? 827 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,239 Speaker 1: Because we've had presidents saying that the middle of March 828 00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:54,439 Speaker 1: is kind of the deadline. So what do you think 829 00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,400 Speaker 1: happens in the middle of Well, actually March started first. 830 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,840 Speaker 1: Where will we be at well? Ray Anderson said that 831 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,000 Speaker 1: he hoped that this would be settled in the next 832 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,640 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. I don't listen to anything Ray ray 833 00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:16,520 Speaker 1: Anderson says in terms of dude, go post quickly. You 834 00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,680 Speaker 1: figure he'd be invested. Man, it's a Stanford graduate, ASU president. 835 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,080 Speaker 1: He seems tired. He just seems tired of it all. 836 00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,719 Speaker 1: M okay, So let's forget what he said. Although it 837 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,640 Speaker 1: does match up at the timeline that you presented, if 838 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:40,480 Speaker 1: things are not done before the tournament, tips, I would say, 839 00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:46,960 Speaker 1: let's start writing the obituary. Yeah, what does it mean? 840 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,799 Speaker 1: Can you help me understand what it means if they 841 00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,160 Speaker 1: don't come to some type of agreement for media rights, 842 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,719 Speaker 1: is that some teams in the conference just have to 843 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,440 Speaker 1: look to turn the page. And if they public look 844 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,480 Speaker 1: to turn the page, did they lose leverage? Or do 845 00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,720 Speaker 1: you think there's already back room contingency stuff in place? 846 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,279 Speaker 1: Because if you're if you're not, and this is why 847 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,279 Speaker 1: I don't like the statement of the ten colleges, because 848 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,319 Speaker 1: if you're not already looking for your backup plan, you're 849 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,680 Speaker 1: in trouble because you will lose any leverage that you 850 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,040 Speaker 1: have on saying that like, yeah, I'm committed to seeing 851 00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:23,600 Speaker 1: what the PAC twelve is going to do, but if 852 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't reach my number, I am going to go 853 00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,520 Speaker 1: with you. If you do it in any order, but 854 00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,560 Speaker 1: that exact thing, then you give every other conference out 855 00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,239 Speaker 1: there the right to say, like, we're going to put 856 00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:38,879 Speaker 1: you on a five year escalator. Yes exactly, So are 857 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,360 Speaker 1: you saying that it's possible? Oregon and Washington already know 858 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,480 Speaker 1: that if the PAC twelve, Because this is what makes 859 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,080 Speaker 1: me wonder, has the PAC twelve not announced a new 860 00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,040 Speaker 1: TV deal because it doesn't meet that threshold that will 861 00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,400 Speaker 1: keep other teams in this conference. That to me feels 862 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,479 Speaker 1: like the only thing that would delay this moving forward 863 00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,759 Speaker 1: unless it is just the cold, hard truth is that 864 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,600 Speaker 1: no one cares about this conference at all. Yeah, but 865 00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,160 Speaker 1: this is live sports, and it's live sports in a 866 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,200 Speaker 1: time slot that's yeah, but there's no bro, bro, it's 867 00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,080 Speaker 1: not a premium time slot. There are no do you 868 00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,799 Speaker 1: do you understand that you that the SEC is taking 869 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,440 Speaker 1: up pretty much all the oxygen on ESPN and ABC 870 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,080 Speaker 1: They've paid too much money. You The CBS Game of 871 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,839 Speaker 1: the week is now going to be the ABC Game 872 00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:29,000 Speaker 1: of the week. Um, we have Fox and the Big 873 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:34,320 Speaker 1: Big ten taking up a lot of oction and CBS 874 00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:42,000 Speaker 1: already already gone to So the question is where is 875 00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,200 Speaker 1: there a home? And now the only way to go 876 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:51,239 Speaker 1: in UPN is to join somebody else and and and 877 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,520 Speaker 1: if you're Oregon and Washington, you have to make a 878 00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:59,680 Speaker 1: move first, right because if the corner schools leave and 879 00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,480 Speaker 1: go to the Big twelve, if they're like forget it, 880 00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:08,960 Speaker 1: we're out right. Yeah, now you're screwed, because the SEC 881 00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,480 Speaker 1: or the Big Ten, they'll be like yeah, come on, 882 00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:18,560 Speaker 1: come on, come on, but listen you see the way 883 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:22,960 Speaker 1: our pockets is set up. We can't give you a 884 00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,960 Speaker 1: hundred percent. We might be to give you like ffy five. 885 00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,839 Speaker 1: You know, do you know what I would do if 886 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,960 Speaker 1: I was George Quiavkov and I know this would never work, 887 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,560 Speaker 1: and I know it's pipe dream. I get it. You 888 00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,560 Speaker 1: could criticize it all you want. I would call the 889 00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,880 Speaker 1: Mountain West and I would say, let's set up a 890 00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,319 Speaker 1: promotion and relegation league. Nobody else has anything like it, 891 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,120 Speaker 1: nothing like it. It would only be for football. We 892 00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:49,040 Speaker 1: would we would have agreements to play in every other sport, 893 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,279 Speaker 1: but not. Every Mountain West school has sports. Every PAC 894 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,799 Speaker 1: twelve school has. But I would say, let's enter into 895 00:55:55,840 --> 00:56:00,640 Speaker 1: a promotion and relegation agreement where the top two teams 896 00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,040 Speaker 1: in the Mountain West get bumped up and the bottom 897 00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,640 Speaker 1: two teams in the PAC ten or PAC twelve, whatever 898 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,880 Speaker 1: whatever it may be, go down. It is the only 899 00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,440 Speaker 1: thing that I could see that would make the PAC 900 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:18,160 Speaker 1: twelve unique and stand out, add a level of risk 901 00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:25,960 Speaker 1: that networks would possibly want to get behind. That's the 902 00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,120 Speaker 1: only thing I could come up with. Is if the 903 00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,480 Speaker 1: idea that you have Washington State, I keep bringing up 904 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,360 Speaker 1: watching it. Let's say Washington State and Colorado are playing 905 00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,799 Speaker 1: in November and the loser is gonna have to go 906 00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:44,920 Speaker 1: to the Mountain West for a year. But you talk 907 00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:49,040 Speaker 1: about like soccer relegation. Hell yeah, and Boise is playing 908 00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:50,640 Speaker 1: Utah State and the winner is going to get to 909 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,560 Speaker 1: come to the PAC twelve. Bro, boy, but what does 910 00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:59,120 Speaker 1: Boise do? Nobody wants to watch Boise on TV? Like 911 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,799 Speaker 1: in terms of it in mass nobody wants to watch 912 00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,840 Speaker 1: Arizona on TV or uc nobody wants to watch UCLA 913 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:17,320 Speaker 1: in person. George, it's true day, Okay, like eighty percent 914 00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,120 Speaker 1: of our conversations. Aren't you being happy that you could 915 00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:29,480 Speaker 1: park easily at the Rose Bowl? Oh damn? Oh my god? Hey, 916 00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:36,680 Speaker 1: oh god, Bro, that is hilarious. Um uh. Before we 917 00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,600 Speaker 1: finished this this talk, Sideline Sports Network they put out 918 00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,960 Speaker 1: a map and they said, thanks to Pete Dam's new 919 00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:47,840 Speaker 1: article on ESPN, the possibility of arguably the stupidest conference 920 00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,400 Speaker 1: to ever exist has entered the ram of possibility in 921 00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:56,800 Speaker 1: acc Pack twelve merger, and that would be Washington, Washington State, Oregon, 922 00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:03,080 Speaker 1: Oregon State, Stanford, and cow So it's essentially both coasts 923 00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:08,000 Speaker 1: like up and down plus Kentucky where where Louisville is, 924 00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:16,720 Speaker 1: and then every single other piece of the map not involved. Yeah, yeah, 925 00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,680 Speaker 1: and it would be I would tell you, like, if 926 00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:20,919 Speaker 1: you think people are struggling to watch PAC twelve, now, 927 00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,120 Speaker 1: how about a thirteen to three game between Virginia and 928 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:31,480 Speaker 1: cow like like just players on the field comparing SAT scores. 929 00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:40,880 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Um, so all right, now now that the 930 00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:45,880 Speaker 1: mood is destroyed, yes exactly? Is that? What what percentage? 931 00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,760 Speaker 1: What percentage for the remaining PAC twelve teams plus two 932 00:58:52,600 --> 00:59:02,880 Speaker 1: exists in twenty twenty six? M M wait wait, wait, wait, 933 00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,120 Speaker 1: what's the what's the question again? What is the what 934 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:10,520 Speaker 1: are the odds that in twenty twenty six, the pack 935 00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,440 Speaker 1: the ten teams that are left in the PAC twelve 936 00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:18,280 Speaker 1: are still in some iteration of the PAC twelve all ten, 937 00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:24,320 Speaker 1: all ten? Give it a two percent chance? Like the milk? 938 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,600 Speaker 1: What are we even taught when we probably? Yeah, yeah, 939 00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:34,880 Speaker 1: probably two percent? And I'm being generous. We just spent 940 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,000 Speaker 1: twenty minutes talking about a thing that you're saying is 941 00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:46,360 Speaker 1: literally impossible. Yeah, all right, Well on to the next thing. 942 00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,800 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 943 00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,800 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox Sports 944 00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:57,320 Speaker 1: Radio dot com and within the iHeart Radio app search 945 00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:02,760 Speaker 1: f SR to listen live. Oh and UCLA and Oregon 946 01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:08,080 Speaker 1: State have made massive staff moves. Rap rap his looking 947 01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:12,720 Speaker 1: at me like I like he like he hates it 948 01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:17,000 Speaker 1: here like he's like he is. Bro, I've come to 949 01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:21,640 Speaker 1: the realization that it's it's it's over. It is absolutely over, 950 01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,960 Speaker 1: and we're gonna have to rebrand the podcast. It is 951 01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,640 Speaker 1: just gonna go all college college football and we will be, 952 01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,040 Speaker 1: you know, the the tag team version of what Josh 953 01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,760 Speaker 1: Josh Pate's doing. Bro. Like it just is what it is. 954 01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,200 Speaker 1: It's okay, Well, we're the pac twelve Apostles, and I 955 01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,480 Speaker 1: guess that at one point it went down to eleven apostles, 956 01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:47,640 Speaker 1: right and uh and then and then the eleven kind 957 01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:52,280 Speaker 1: of went down from there. Yeah, Like things didn't go 958 01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:56,920 Speaker 1: really well for a lot of those men, uh in 959 01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,400 Speaker 1: the in the following so maybe we should not have 960 01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,680 Speaker 1: Maybe us naming this podcast is what set this whole 961 01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:06,720 Speaker 1: thing in motion. Yes, that may have been a mistake, 962 01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,240 Speaker 1: but it is all right. Well then now let's pretend 963 01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:13,960 Speaker 1: everything's fine and get into staff change. Yes, sir, cow 964 01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:19,360 Speaker 1: Cow made a move. They hired Jake Spavital as their 965 01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:27,080 Speaker 1: new offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach. So new new asterisk, Yes, 966 01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,840 Speaker 1: because he was there with Sunny Dikes as well, but 967 01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:35,680 Speaker 1: so and then he was most recently the head coach 968 01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:40,120 Speaker 1: of Texas State for what nineteen twenty two, yea for 969 01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:45,040 Speaker 1: four seasons before that offensive coordinator and quarterback coach over 970 01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:48,600 Speaker 1: at West Virginia's. So you think he was at A 971 01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:52,680 Speaker 1: and M with Kyler and Kyle Allen too. Okay, here 972 01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,200 Speaker 1: is here is the thing that so we both know 973 01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:02,920 Speaker 1: that Cow's offense has been hot garbage right. If that 974 01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,920 Speaker 1: wasn't the case, they would not have made multiple changes 975 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,880 Speaker 1: at offensive coordinator over the last few years. Yeah. There, 976 01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:14,840 Speaker 1: they consistently put out a good defense. Justin Wilcox is 977 01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:20,120 Speaker 1: a good, good coach. I'm not sure it doesn't feel 978 01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:23,720 Speaker 1: like they put the same energy into recruiting as they 979 01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:27,360 Speaker 1: need to. Because you can get kids in Cow if 980 01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:31,080 Speaker 1: you can get the Shawn Jackson and um Marshawn Lynch 981 01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,840 Speaker 1: in the cow. And I'm not saying that they're idiots 982 01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,720 Speaker 1: or anything like that because they're because because they're not. 983 01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:41,560 Speaker 1: But you can get them in the cow. You can 984 01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,400 Speaker 1: you can you can play in the margins a little 985 01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,800 Speaker 1: bit on that three point zero you, I mean, you 986 01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:47,480 Speaker 1: certainly can't. I don't know if you saw the Taylor 987 01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:51,120 Speaker 1: Lawan interview that he did this week on Busting with 988 01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:52,880 Speaker 1: the Boys, said he went into his senior season with 989 01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,200 Speaker 1: a one point six GPA, went into his final exam 990 01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,640 Speaker 1: of his senior year in Spanish with a thirty five percent. 991 01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:04,080 Speaker 1: Somehow got into mission in yeah, and somehow, yeah, exactly. So, 992 01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:06,520 Speaker 1: so we're not getting ready to sit here and act 993 01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:10,000 Speaker 1: like that that that that doesn't go on regularly, right, 994 01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:16,560 Speaker 1: and and so he needs to put a little bit 995 01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,120 Speaker 1: more energy in the recruiting. Their office of line was 996 01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:23,040 Speaker 1: horrible last year. Was a freeway to the quarterback, so 997 01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,680 Speaker 1: much so that both quarterbacks left. They were like, I'm 998 01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,120 Speaker 1: not getting I mean because we felt bad for the kid. 999 01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,560 Speaker 1: Last last year he was getting his teeth kick dead. 1000 01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,800 Speaker 1: And now they changed from Bill Musgrave, who was my 1001 01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:41,840 Speaker 1: office of coordinator at at Jacksonville my first year. He 1002 01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:45,360 Speaker 1: has good concepts all of that stuff. I'm not sure 1003 01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,800 Speaker 1: whether we're dealing with a situation like went on with 1004 01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:53,080 Speaker 1: Mario crystal Ball where he puts his thumb on the offense. 1005 01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:58,680 Speaker 1: So much that then it slows things down because they 1006 01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,520 Speaker 1: want to play defensive are certain ways, so they don't 1007 01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,000 Speaker 1: want to have three in outs. They they're more concerned 1008 01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,720 Speaker 1: with ball control than putting points on the board. And 1009 01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:12,720 Speaker 1: now with Jake spabbatall, I am concerned because Texas State 1010 01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,240 Speaker 1: where he was the head coach, and remember he's by 1011 01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:20,680 Speaker 1: by trading offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach. So for that, 1012 01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,400 Speaker 1: if you're an I mean that would that would be 1013 01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:27,439 Speaker 1: like Dan Landing putting together a terrible defense four years 1014 01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,840 Speaker 1: in a row, you know what I'm saying. And Texas 1015 01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:33,000 Speaker 1: State averaged twenty one point to game last year. They 1016 01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,360 Speaker 1: were like bottom ten percent of all of college football. 1017 01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,840 Speaker 1: So this scares me for cal If I'm being honest. 1018 01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:46,600 Speaker 1: Are you scared him more of the same? Yes, But 1019 01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:51,160 Speaker 1: he was with Sunny Dikes and all they did was score, 1020 01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:57,640 Speaker 1: So I'm not sure what to make of it. Yeah, 1021 01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,600 Speaker 1: And It'll be interesting because you know, it is the personnel. 1022 01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,560 Speaker 1: Do they have enough experienced personnel to go out there 1023 01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,080 Speaker 1: and be competitive right away? I think they're going to 1024 01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,800 Speaker 1: be one of the more fascinating teams of the upcoming 1025 01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:13,360 Speaker 1: season because I think on paper, you're like, what are 1026 01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:16,480 Speaker 1: they what are they throwing out there? They were already 1027 01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:18,200 Speaker 1: kind of thin. They lost a bunch of people to 1028 01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,760 Speaker 1: transfer portal. It is wild to lose your quarterback and 1029 01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:27,840 Speaker 1: your backup. Yes, yep, like that is that is genuinely wild. 1030 01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:32,360 Speaker 1: I think it speaks to a certain level of either 1031 01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:37,280 Speaker 1: dysfunction or mistrust, or maybe it's just Wilcox getting everybody 1032 01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,840 Speaker 1: the hell up out of there. But when you've been 1033 01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:43,440 Speaker 1: there long enough, you built the building, and you're going 1034 01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:47,320 Speaker 1: to tear the building down, Like, Okay, I guess that's 1035 01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,320 Speaker 1: your prerogative. But at the same time, like you're you 1036 01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:54,800 Speaker 1: don't own Cow, You're not Mark the Mark Cuban of Cow. 1037 01:05:55,960 --> 01:06:00,160 Speaker 1: You have bosses and if they care, eventually this is 1038 01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:03,880 Speaker 1: going to start to be an issue. So I mean, 1039 01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:07,520 Speaker 1: if they don't have an upswing gere uh, it's going 1040 01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:15,360 Speaker 1: to be a problem. Um, he is justin Wilcox. Is 1041 01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,360 Speaker 1: is somebody who has a good enough reputation where where 1042 01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:23,640 Speaker 1: he's probably going to be paid seven figures ten seconds 1043 01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:27,480 Speaker 1: after if he was to ever lose that couch come 1044 01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,800 Speaker 1: in and run their defense. Yep, So he you know, 1045 01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,440 Speaker 1: I think he can operate with a certain level of impunity. 1046 01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:37,040 Speaker 1: Knowing that he's going to be fine. Um, but I'm 1047 01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:40,880 Speaker 1: concerned for the health of the program for sure. And 1048 01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,919 Speaker 1: you know, this is kind of an interesting addition for him. 1049 01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,800 Speaker 1: And we'll see what spavitt All can do because he 1050 01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,320 Speaker 1: you know, he was there once before. And maybe that's 1051 01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:54,240 Speaker 1: the best of both worlds because cal was dissatisfied with 1052 01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,040 Speaker 1: with only having an offense and no defense, and now 1053 01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:59,720 Speaker 1: they're dissatisfied with only having a defense and no offense. 1054 01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,240 Speaker 1: Maybe this is the peanut, butter and jelly. Maybe this 1055 01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:06,600 Speaker 1: is what they need, hopefully man, because they do have 1056 01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:13,920 Speaker 1: a shot and all of that. UM ucla new defensive coordinator, 1057 01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:20,280 Speaker 1: Danton Lynn, who is the son of a man that 1058 01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:24,120 Speaker 1: I that was former Chargers head coach and a man 1059 01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,600 Speaker 1: who was our dB coach when I was out in Jacksonville. 1060 01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:32,520 Speaker 1: And this dude is thirty three years old, right, so 1061 01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:36,800 Speaker 1: he was born in nineteen eighty nine. He had he 1062 01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,960 Speaker 1: played for the Jets for He was on the practice 1063 01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:44,480 Speaker 1: squad Tiger Hamilton Hamilton Tiger Cats the next year in 1064 01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:48,480 Speaker 1: two thirteen, next year in two thousand and fourteen, he 1065 01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:53,200 Speaker 1: was a seasonal mind. He is he got out of 1066 01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,800 Speaker 1: college in two thousand and twelve out of Penn State. 1067 01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:01,160 Speaker 1: Twenty fourteen, he was a seasonal in turn with the Jets, 1068 01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:06,560 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's assistant fifteen sixteen, defensive assistant with the Chargers 1069 01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:12,600 Speaker 1: with his pops in seventeen, Houston Texans assistant secondary coach 1070 01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:18,559 Speaker 1: nineteen and twenty I'm sorry eighteen nineteen Houston Texans, Oh, 1071 01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,720 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, yeah, and then Houston Texans secondary coach in 1072 01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:25,400 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, Ravens safety coach in twenty one twenty two. 1073 01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,920 Speaker 1: This is a dude who's on his way. He's on 1074 01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:33,080 Speaker 1: he on his way, he's arrived. Yes, he's well, true, 1075 01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:37,960 Speaker 1: he's a defensive coordinator. Ed right, yeah? Right? Is this? 1076 01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,080 Speaker 1: Does this kind of surprise you with You know, Chip 1077 01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,559 Speaker 1: Kelly only wanted to coach with people he'd been around 1078 01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:46,840 Speaker 1: for thirty three years, and now he's hiring thirty three 1079 01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:51,920 Speaker 1: year olds for one of the most important responsibilities that 1080 01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:57,680 Speaker 1: there is. Is Chip of changing, Maybe, dude, maybe it is. 1081 01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:03,920 Speaker 1: This is a positive sign. Obviously, Jerry Asinara was like 1082 01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:07,360 Speaker 1: a thousand years old and Chip's best friend, and now 1083 01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,400 Speaker 1: it is time to get to somebody who has young, 1084 01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:13,479 Speaker 1: innovative concepts. He's been in the NFL, which probably means 1085 01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:16,679 Speaker 1: he might say he might not be there for long 1086 01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,320 Speaker 1: because guys who go to the NFL don't typically want 1087 01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:22,759 Speaker 1: to come back to college. Well, one of the reasons 1088 01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:24,240 Speaker 1: that they don't want to come back to college is 1089 01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:28,360 Speaker 1: because they'll have to recruit, but Chip Kelly doesn't. All 1090 01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,680 Speaker 1: you have to do is go off chips chart. Is 1091 01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,240 Speaker 1: a kid? Is the kid six four with a six 1092 01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:36,639 Speaker 1: eight wingspan? And does he sleep eight and a half 1093 01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,360 Speaker 1: hours a night? Is he allergic to shellfish? No? Sign 1094 01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:43,120 Speaker 1: him up? Don't. You don't even have to go out 1095 01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,160 Speaker 1: and find kids. If they fit the chart, then that's 1096 01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,880 Speaker 1: who you go after. So maybe he won't have to 1097 01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:52,040 Speaker 1: do as much recruiting and he won't get sick of it. Yeah, 1098 01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:58,599 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see how this season works out 1099 01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,599 Speaker 1: for them, because I thought they underachieved the last year 1100 01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:05,280 Speaker 1: by only winning nine games. I thought ten was the 1101 01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:09,840 Speaker 1: like the number that they needed to win. And this 1102 01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:14,160 Speaker 1: year they started out the season with Coastal Carolina the 1103 01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:21,200 Speaker 1: Shanta clears. Uh say, that's not a guaranteed, w man, 1104 01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:25,320 Speaker 1: A little listen, you UCLA ain't losing a Coastal Carolina. 1105 01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:31,960 Speaker 1: Then they play at San Diego State unless San Diego 1106 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,920 Speaker 1: State has fixed it fixed their quarterback problem. You said 1107 01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:39,120 Speaker 1: Lasia win that one. Um, North Carolina Central, they better 1108 01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:41,920 Speaker 1: not lose that game under that, Like like that's yeah, 1109 01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:46,200 Speaker 1: no Homer, Am I gonna get to see UCLA man 1110 01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:50,320 Speaker 1: that HBCU. Yeah in a twenty thousand seat stadium. No, 1111 01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:54,120 Speaker 1: it's at the Rose Bowl, So I knew you were 1112 01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:57,920 Speaker 1: gonna say that. Um, then they play at Rice Eucles. 1113 01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:03,760 Speaker 1: They have a bye week. Now, they could win at 1114 01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:08,280 Speaker 1: Rice Eccles depending on whose quarterbacking, because we know that 1115 01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:11,760 Speaker 1: their quarterback as a torn a cl his third right 1116 01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:17,000 Speaker 1: torn a cl for cam Rising. Yep. Um, Washington they 1117 01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:25,560 Speaker 1: go Washington State at Oregon State at Stafford, Colorado at Arizona, 1118 01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:29,280 Speaker 1: Arizona State at USC and cow Oh my god, bro, 1119 01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:32,200 Speaker 1: they got it. They got it light. They avoided Oregon 1120 01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:37,400 Speaker 1: and Washington. Are they going to be playing an eighteen 1121 01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:43,439 Speaker 1: year old at quarterback? Um? I think Justin Martin might 1122 01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,479 Speaker 1: still be eighteen, but but he might be nineteen when 1123 01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:49,920 Speaker 1: the Caesar starts. So it's fo. You think Justin Martin's 1124 01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:55,120 Speaker 1: gonna beat out Ethan Garber's and Dante Moore? Yes, I hope. 1125 01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:57,280 Speaker 1: So I like Justin Martin, I like, I like all 1126 01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,360 Speaker 1: three of those quarterbacks. They have the st What is 1127 01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:03,680 Speaker 1: crazy is there is no excuse for Chip Kelly as 1128 01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:06,720 Speaker 1: far as not having stability at quarterback posis. I just 1129 01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:12,160 Speaker 1: talked to Justin on Saturday, right when Dante Moore came 1130 01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,719 Speaker 1: in and the kid from Kent State. There wasn't even 1131 01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:18,720 Speaker 1: an ion of discussion with him or his family. And 1132 01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:24,360 Speaker 1: I talked to his mom too about transferring. That didn't 1133 01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:29,200 Speaker 1: even come up in the conversation. He was like, oh, yeah, bro, brother, 1134 01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:34,960 Speaker 1: this competition, I understand how it is. They'll see and 1135 01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:39,320 Speaker 1: he believes that Chip, which is the most important thing. 1136 01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:43,920 Speaker 1: He believes that Chip will play the best person to 1137 01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:49,200 Speaker 1: win the game. And and he was like, I believe 1138 01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:57,439 Speaker 1: that'll be me. Well, I wish UCLA the best next year, 1139 01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,519 Speaker 1: but I honestly don't care if they go in twelve. 1140 01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:03,240 Speaker 1: They're not yeah, yeah, they're not Pack Pack twelve people anymore. 1141 01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,960 Speaker 1: And truthfully, even if Oregon and Washington we're going to 1142 01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:11,760 Speaker 1: the Big ten, I wouldn't still care because now now 1143 01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:15,559 Speaker 1: we're all mercenaries, there's no there's no back to pack, 1144 01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:19,320 Speaker 1: there's no back to Big Ten. It is killer be 1145 01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,400 Speaker 1: killed at that point. I mean at the same time, 1146 01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:25,760 Speaker 1: like with uc USC last year, obviously you were you 1147 01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:30,200 Speaker 1: were not going out of your way to root for USC. 1148 01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:34,439 Speaker 1: Had they brought had they brought a natty to the 1149 01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:38,519 Speaker 1: PAC twelve, I would have claimed it. No, no, no, 1150 01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:42,880 Speaker 1: because they wouldn't have let you claim it. Okay, they 1151 01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,040 Speaker 1: would have said no, no, no, we are USC, we 1152 01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:48,519 Speaker 1: are a separate entity. We we don't belong to you. 1153 01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:51,439 Speaker 1: But they would have been touting their resume as reason 1154 01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:55,360 Speaker 1: for getting into college Football Playoff, which was we would 1155 01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:59,800 Speaker 1: have been running through the PAC twelve. Yeah, all right, 1156 01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:04,720 Speaker 1: Uh Oregon Oregon State, what did they do? Uh that 1157 01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:09,599 Speaker 1: says Oregon I think, oh yeah, it was Oregon staff 1158 01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:14,080 Speaker 1: on our notes. Oregon State did nothing. They've managed to retain, 1159 01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:20,599 Speaker 1: which is crazy defense. Yeah, so that maybe that's news 1160 01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,120 Speaker 1: in and of itself that Oregon State still has bray 1161 01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:27,680 Speaker 1: and and and uh what's their OC's name that is 1162 01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:30,000 Speaker 1: always rumored to be going to Arizona State and never 1163 01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:33,200 Speaker 1: does they still have everybody, is what I'm saying is 1164 01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:38,519 Speaker 1: and so so nothing for Oregon State. Oregon big changes though. Yeah, 1165 01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:43,080 Speaker 1: office A coordinator Will will Stein, who came from UTSA 1166 01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:46,959 Speaker 1: now unlike cow Utsa had one of the better offices 1167 01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:51,640 Speaker 1: in the country, and and like when Washington State just 1168 01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,880 Speaker 1: added a Western Kentucky's co offensive coordinator. So you have 1169 01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:59,479 Speaker 1: people drawing from that is what it. Cal did what 1170 01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:04,200 Speaker 1: they did based on past success, and Oregon and Washington 1171 01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:09,920 Speaker 1: State did what they did based on current success. Yeah, 1172 01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:19,840 Speaker 1: and um and and Oregon because Adrian Clem left Oregon 1173 01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:25,919 Speaker 1: and went back to the Patriots. And we also, um 1174 01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:29,280 Speaker 1: oh side note, just found out and saw that Gary 1175 01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:34,240 Speaker 1: Bryant is visiting Oregon. I didn't know he was still 1176 01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:36,080 Speaker 1: on the market. He was a really really big deal 1177 01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:38,400 Speaker 1: coming out of coming out of high school. Just didn't 1178 01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,759 Speaker 1: fit in the Lincoln Riley's plans, I guess. Yeah. So, 1179 01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:50,200 Speaker 1: um so Oregon then had to find uh a new 1180 01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:54,880 Speaker 1: offensive line coach, and they went with a young a 1181 01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:58,479 Speaker 1: young man, a young man. They went with elite Terry, 1182 01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:03,080 Speaker 1: who had been in a assistant there previously, it was 1183 01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:07,840 Speaker 1: former grad assistant and now he's their office of line coach. Now, 1184 01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:10,679 Speaker 1: so why can you explain to me why so many 1185 01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:14,599 Speaker 1: former Oregon players were like, oh, they they cashed in 1186 01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:16,519 Speaker 1: with this one, because I don't even know who league 1187 01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,240 Speaker 1: Terry is. Yeah, they did bring in Mike Kavanaugh to 1188 01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,640 Speaker 1: oversee him. Yes, Mike Kavanaugh has like been doing this 1189 01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:24,559 Speaker 1: for thirty years. He was at ASU for the last 1190 01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,200 Speaker 1: few years. But like, what is it about a league 1191 01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:29,200 Speaker 1: terry that has like Panay Sule and all these other 1192 01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:35,400 Speaker 1: people saying that that out it was smart? I think 1193 01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:39,879 Speaker 1: he's smart, He's energetic, and clearly he's going to connect 1194 01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:45,760 Speaker 1: on the recruiting level, on the recruiting trail because when 1195 01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:49,320 Speaker 1: players respond like that, that means that recruits are going 1196 01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:53,960 Speaker 1: to respond with that same energy too. So this is 1197 01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,160 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy that like Calvin Throckmorton 1198 01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:59,080 Speaker 1: and Shame mu and pay yeah, all the all the 1199 01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:04,280 Speaker 1: all the NFL guys swear by him. Interesting, so listen. 1200 01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:09,360 Speaker 1: So with that and then adding Kavanaugh, you would believe 1201 01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:13,679 Speaker 1: that there is a high chance for success. Obviously, nothing 1202 01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:17,519 Speaker 1: is guaranteed, but you know, and Oregon this year is 1203 01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:21,080 Speaker 1: going to be sporting a new offensive line. But that 1204 01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,840 Speaker 1: kind of hasn't really matter because they've recruited, well, they've 1205 01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,519 Speaker 1: gotten good guys out of the portal, got a bunch 1206 01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:28,600 Speaker 1: of guys who are in the NFL and guys that 1207 01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:32,519 Speaker 1: are going to the NFL. So you know, all right, 1208 01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:36,880 Speaker 1: we'll see Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk 1209 01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:39,639 Speaker 1: lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at 1210 01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:43,320 Speaker 1: Fox sports Radio dot com and within the iHeart Radio 1211 01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:47,400 Speaker 1: app search f SR to listen live. The new Heisman 1212 01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:54,280 Speaker 1: odds are out and Caleb Williams is plus four hundred 1213 01:17:54,400 --> 01:18:00,640 Speaker 1: best odds. Drake May second best odds. Tied for a 1214 01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:05,760 Speaker 1: third are Jordan Travis Bownicks and Michael Pennocks Jr. And 1215 01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:09,719 Speaker 1: then and then Brock van de Griff and then Quinn 1216 01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:15,320 Speaker 1: Eelers and Clay kay club Nick. What are we doing here? 1217 01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:22,120 Speaker 1: This is interesting because so we have on the Heisman odds, 1218 01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:25,200 Speaker 1: oh and Jayden Daniels plus two thousand, because we do 1219 01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:28,439 Speaker 1: have to pay attention to good old Jayden. There's zero 1220 01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,400 Speaker 1: chance to Jaden Daniels is winning a Heisman. They're not 1221 01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:34,280 Speaker 1: going to give a quarterback that throws eighteen touchdowns in 1222 01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:37,320 Speaker 1: a season a Heisman because he rushes for twelve touchdowns 1223 01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,000 Speaker 1: if they go undefeated. Maybe, but like I just that's 1224 01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,040 Speaker 1: not Those aren't the kind of like stats to get you. 1225 01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:46,040 Speaker 1: I think he may get invited to the ceremony if 1226 01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:50,000 Speaker 1: he does what he did last year again I still 1227 01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:52,280 Speaker 1: don't know, because some of these guys put up crazy numbers. 1228 01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:54,519 Speaker 1: But so with three of the top five are in 1229 01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:56,920 Speaker 1: the PAC twelve, three of the top five in the 1230 01:18:56,920 --> 01:19:02,599 Speaker 1: PAC twelve, I think that's huge, right yep. Um. What's 1231 01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:06,120 Speaker 1: interesting about this is that Bo Nix and Jordan Travis 1232 01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,719 Speaker 1: to Kenny Dillingham, guys that Kenny Dillingham doesn't coach anymore. 1233 01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,840 Speaker 1: Do we think that maybe Arizona State one of their 1234 01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:20,240 Speaker 1: fifty million quarterbacks that came in should be included on 1235 01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:25,080 Speaker 1: this list somewhere? Is Kenny Dillingham the quarterback Whisperer? Because 1236 01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:27,400 Speaker 1: it's crazy that's people had given up on on on 1237 01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:29,519 Speaker 1: Jordan Travis and bow Knicks and now they're two of 1238 01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:32,280 Speaker 1: the top five in the in the Heisman odds leading 1239 01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:37,759 Speaker 1: into twenty twenty three. Yeah, what do they have in common? Yeah? 1240 01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:42,960 Speaker 1: You are? You are right about that. Now? The question 1241 01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:45,840 Speaker 1: is ken is Caleb Williams talented enough to win the 1242 01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:50,080 Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy again? Absolutely, with one hand tied behind his back. Probably, Yes, 1243 01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:55,680 Speaker 1: he's a freak. The problem is is that the Heisman 1244 01:19:55,800 --> 01:20:00,639 Speaker 1: has typically gone like something in that second year when 1245 01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,599 Speaker 1: you win it early, it just doesn't go right. There. 1246 01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,040 Speaker 1: I mean like even when you still have a very 1247 01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:09,280 Speaker 1: successful season like Lamar Jackson did the next year, or 1248 01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:14,320 Speaker 1: Matt Liner did, or who whoever else, because there's been 1249 01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:16,040 Speaker 1: a bunch of people that have gotten invited to the 1250 01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:22,040 Speaker 1: ceremony a second time. But the voters want to be surprised, yes, 1251 01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:25,160 Speaker 1: and you can't surprise somebody when you're the defending Heisman winner. 1252 01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:27,080 Speaker 1: It's very hard to say, yeah, like you have to 1253 01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:31,240 Speaker 1: go over and above which was a stupid season last year, 1254 01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:35,800 Speaker 1: and it makes it like it's very difficult to outdo it. 1255 01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:38,920 Speaker 1: And and if you even even when you look at 1256 01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:42,240 Speaker 1: Archie Griffin's numbers, the numbers his second year weren't that 1257 01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:46,840 Speaker 1: great comparison to the first time he won it, so 1258 01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:49,840 Speaker 1: so people were voting that year like, oh, he's the 1259 01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:56,000 Speaker 1: best player. Yeah, And now you're gonna always have somebody 1260 01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:59,720 Speaker 1: that is going to have a stellar season on a 1261 01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:03,000 Speaker 1: on a Max Duggin type team or something like that, 1262 01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:06,040 Speaker 1: like a guy that comes that wasn't at the ceremony 1263 01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:09,920 Speaker 1: last year. So you might have Michael Pennox junior, who 1264 01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:13,040 Speaker 1: we all expect to have another good, good year, right, 1265 01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:19,479 Speaker 1: But but what typically happens Ankle Sprain. Uh, you know, 1266 01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:23,719 Speaker 1: wide receivers get hurt, the defense plays bad, you drop 1267 01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:28,439 Speaker 1: a couple of games, like you, It doesn't necessarily mean 1268 01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:33,600 Speaker 1: that the player didn't play as well or wasn't fantastic. 1269 01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:37,200 Speaker 1: It just means that you just had such an outlier season. 1270 01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:41,840 Speaker 1: And then imagine that, right, Imagine Caleb Williams doing what 1271 01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:46,280 Speaker 1: he does and having a season that's comparable to last year, 1272 01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:51,000 Speaker 1: but then USC drops two or three games, and then 1273 01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:56,000 Speaker 1: you have Michael Pennox Junior or Bonnicks do the exact 1274 01:21:56,120 --> 01:22:01,160 Speaker 1: same thing stat wise that the Williams did last year. 1275 01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:05,320 Speaker 1: Who is going to win in es scenario one of 1276 01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:08,400 Speaker 1: those two dudes. Yeah, I agree with you, and I 1277 01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:10,559 Speaker 1: do think that the voters just want to be they 1278 01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:14,760 Speaker 1: want to be surprised. All so these odds do no 1279 01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:17,479 Speaker 1: favors to Cable Williams. He's gonna have to play perfect. 1280 01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:20,040 Speaker 1: He is so good that he's capable of it. And 1281 01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:21,960 Speaker 1: so that's one of those things where it's like maybe 1282 01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:24,519 Speaker 1: I could absolutely see him repeating, and I think he 1283 01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:28,280 Speaker 1: deserves to be the favorite. Drake May Drake May is 1284 01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:31,080 Speaker 1: on this as somebody who you know that North Carolina 1285 01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:34,800 Speaker 1: offense is very friendly but Drake May is almost on 1286 01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:37,240 Speaker 1: here is like who people believe will be a top 1287 01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:40,719 Speaker 1: five NFL correct, correct? You know whereas I see Michael 1288 01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,200 Speaker 1: Pennis Bonix and Jordan Travis and I'm like, oh, those 1289 01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:46,520 Speaker 1: guys all have the chance to be the best college 1290 01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:49,240 Speaker 1: football player, but you you know for a fact, sorry, 1291 01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:51,960 Speaker 1: you mean the best quarterback of the season, not necessarily 1292 01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:58,280 Speaker 1: the best football player, right right, You are correct, man. 1293 01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:03,719 Speaker 1: This is It's fascinating because there's not too many people. 1294 01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:05,800 Speaker 1: Usually I all have two or three guys that are 1295 01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:08,360 Speaker 1: in the back of my head. As you know, this 1296 01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:11,639 Speaker 1: is a guy that could absolutely go off. I do 1297 01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,000 Speaker 1: love mikey Keane at Fresno State, but no one's ever 1298 01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:17,000 Speaker 1: gonna give anybody at Fresno State at Heisman bro Bro, 1299 01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:19,800 Speaker 1: do you realize what so so Fresno State would have 1300 01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:22,360 Speaker 1: to be ranked inside the top fifteen, so that means 1301 01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:24,280 Speaker 1: they would have to go eleven and one plus the 1302 01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:27,200 Speaker 1: conference championship twelve and one, and he would have to 1303 01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:31,120 Speaker 1: have the most ridiculous season that has ever happened. Yes, 1304 01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:35,040 Speaker 1: I am aware, I am They would have to throw 1305 01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:40,800 Speaker 1: for like sixty touchdowns and five interceptions and his team 1306 01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:48,040 Speaker 1: be and have like ten heisman moments, what would hey, 1307 01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:52,960 Speaker 1: has it ever happened? Where like there's no FCS players allowed, 1308 01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:57,360 Speaker 1: right because they because they have their own heisman. Because 1309 01:23:57,400 --> 01:23:59,519 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, like what if Sam Humard comes out 1310 01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:05,680 Speaker 1: and oh over at cow Poly Yeah yeah? Or or 1311 01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:08,280 Speaker 1: or what if Dju lives up to his five star 1312 01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,400 Speaker 1: ranking under the under the tutelage of Jonathan Smith at 1313 01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:14,080 Speaker 1: Oregon State. He could He's a He's a guy that 1314 01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:16,360 Speaker 1: could not be on that list and then be on 1315 01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:19,599 Speaker 1: the list. Do you know who's not on the list 1316 01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:23,360 Speaker 1: that I'm fascinated by because they usually have bait names, 1317 01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:26,880 Speaker 1: guys that have a big name that they just want 1318 01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:29,080 Speaker 1: you to cast a bet toward. Like to me, Devin 1319 01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:31,280 Speaker 1: Brown is on this list as a bait name because 1320 01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:35,120 Speaker 1: he could win the job at Ohio State. Therefore, someone's 1321 01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:39,000 Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna post. Somebody's gonna put yeah, someone, somebody's 1322 01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:42,559 Speaker 1: gonna put nice money. I'm sorry, somebody's gonna put up 1323 01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:45,000 Speaker 1: nice stats. Whoever's the quarterback out of the Ohio State's 1324 01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:46,880 Speaker 1: gonna put up good stats. I might do it. You 1325 01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:49,080 Speaker 1: and I will be in Vegas this weekend. I might 1326 01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:51,559 Speaker 1: put money on Devin Brown just because five thousand and one. 1327 01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:55,120 Speaker 1: Why not? But like the there, I'm surprised you door 1328 01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:57,160 Speaker 1: Sanders name isn't on here just as a bait name. 1329 01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:02,160 Speaker 1: That's that's a jack. That's a good call, right, he 1330 01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:06,000 Speaker 1: definitely should be on it. But Colorado was so freaking 1331 01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:09,479 Speaker 1: bad last year. Bro, they were bad. They were bad. 1332 01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:12,599 Speaker 1: You are correct? I cannot oh, can I talk about 1333 01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:16,559 Speaker 1: the energy at Colorado right now? What are you talking about? 1334 01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:19,880 Speaker 1: Like from in person? Yes, yeah, go ahead. First of all, 1335 01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:23,200 Speaker 1: the stadium is amazing, like it's inside of a building. 1336 01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:27,120 Speaker 1: I'd never been to Colorado. I've only seen games there. 1337 01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:29,559 Speaker 1: They weren't in the Pac twelve. When I was in 1338 01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:33,120 Speaker 1: the Pac ten, i played Colorado, but we played them 1339 01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:37,200 Speaker 1: in the Fiesta Bowl. Obviously understand their fans are tremendous. 1340 01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:40,320 Speaker 1: They wilted away the cool. Yeah, campus is cool. They 1341 01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:43,320 Speaker 1: wiltered away the program, giving coaches one year deals and 1342 01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:48,960 Speaker 1: like they did a bunch of administrative nonsense. But when 1343 01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:52,640 Speaker 1: you go in there, you can feel the energy. Everybody 1344 01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:55,280 Speaker 1: is walking around there, like Willie Tagger said, with an 1345 01:25:55,400 --> 01:26:02,120 Speaker 1: enthusiasm that is unknown to mankind. It is or and 1346 01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:05,439 Speaker 1: that Jim Harbo says the same thing. Their Their energy 1347 01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:09,679 Speaker 1: is wild, like everybody is excited to be there. And 1348 01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:13,080 Speaker 1: that's why I talked about um. Like some some people 1349 01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:16,639 Speaker 1: ask me, they said, so, do you think Dion's gonna 1350 01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:19,720 Speaker 1: be able to win there this this year? What do 1351 01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:21,599 Speaker 1: you think the record is going to be? And I 1352 01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:24,720 Speaker 1: was thinking, like, I feel it doesn't feel right to 1353 01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:28,280 Speaker 1: give them a record for a prediction. That the most 1354 01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,200 Speaker 1: important thing that needs to happen for Dion in Colorado 1355 01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:36,439 Speaker 1: this year is to keep hope alive. That they need 1356 01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:38,760 Speaker 1: to at the end of the because there's a lot 1357 01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,840 Speaker 1: of hope around. There were season tickets everything else. Yeah, 1358 01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:45,799 Speaker 1: Number one, they need to not get blown out. Aside 1359 01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:48,360 Speaker 1: from if they play you know, like maybe Oregon or 1360 01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:51,120 Speaker 1: Washington or USC like that can kind of be the 1361 01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:53,600 Speaker 1: only ways that you get blown out. They need to 1362 01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:55,320 Speaker 1: not get blown out just because I don't want to 1363 01:26:55,320 --> 01:27:00,320 Speaker 1: find out who Don is after a seven touch down 1364 01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:07,240 Speaker 1: blowout loss. Oh, let USC put up. Let them win 1365 01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:15,479 Speaker 1: like fifty to seventeen. I mean, because the beginning of 1366 01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:22,080 Speaker 1: his season, bro, that is not for play. Like, so 1367 01:27:22,439 --> 01:27:25,000 Speaker 1: they have at TCU, which is gonna be a tough 1368 01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:30,240 Speaker 1: game because it's in Fort Worth. Then they played Nebraska, 1369 01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:34,800 Speaker 1: who's gonna be significantly better and Nebraska hates Colorado and 1370 01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:38,080 Speaker 1: always has ye, both of those two teams wish they 1371 01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:40,800 Speaker 1: were still in the same conference together. They hate each 1372 01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:45,120 Speaker 1: other yep. And then they played Colorado State, which is 1373 01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:47,439 Speaker 1: right down the street from them, went to went to 1374 01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:53,240 Speaker 1: both schools. Colorado State's offense they how mummy is the 1375 01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:58,599 Speaker 1: OC They literally run what Leech runs because his dad 1376 01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:03,320 Speaker 1: and Leech did the air raid thing. Then they play 1377 01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:07,439 Speaker 1: at Oregon and then USC. Is there a team that 1378 01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:12,400 Speaker 1: has a tougher start to the season than that? I 1379 01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:17,439 Speaker 1: don't think so, but that is insane. And then they 1380 01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:21,439 Speaker 1: play did you say they play in Lincoln? No? No, no, 1381 01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:24,280 Speaker 1: they play Well, if it was in Lincoln, then like guarantee, 1382 01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:26,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, they really have to go to the 1383 01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:29,519 Speaker 1: team that played in the College Football Payoffs. They're gonna 1384 01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:31,320 Speaker 1: have crazy energy. Then they had to go to Lincoln. 1385 01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:33,559 Speaker 1: Then they have to go to Eugene. That's insanity. But 1386 01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:37,880 Speaker 1: what do you think their first steam is gonna be read? Yeah? 1387 01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:40,640 Speaker 1: So what is? And then they play at a s 1388 01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:42,599 Speaker 1: U which is gonna have a lot of energy too. 1389 01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:45,920 Speaker 1: So for their first six games TC and they have 1390 01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:50,000 Speaker 1: no bye weeks in between TCU Nebraska, Colorado State at 1391 01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:55,760 Speaker 1: Colorado at Oregon, USC at Arizona State. What will their 1392 01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:58,640 Speaker 1: record be after the first six games. I think it 1393 01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:02,200 Speaker 1: will be two and four. I think two and four 1394 01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:07,400 Speaker 1: is which two? Which? Two? I think they beat Colorado State, 1395 01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:10,040 Speaker 1: even though I can guarantee you Jane Norvelle is stays 1396 01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:13,800 Speaker 1: up at night thinking about beating Colorado again. I guarantee 1397 01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:18,439 Speaker 1: you that Jane Norvelle sees Deon Sanders got that job 1398 01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:23,080 Speaker 1: after Jane Norvell put in thirty five years in this 1399 01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:28,080 Speaker 1: profession and wants to beat deonzap. I guarantee you Jane 1400 01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:32,200 Speaker 1: Norvelle thinks about this every day. Guarantee. Yes, I do 1401 01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:34,720 Speaker 1: think they beat Colorado State, though, because that program is 1402 01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:42,479 Speaker 1: not in good shape, and oh gosh, Nebraska is not good. 1403 01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:47,080 Speaker 1: So to me, that's a toss up, and as us 1404 01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:49,040 Speaker 1: a toss up, so two toss ups, I'll give him 1405 01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:53,920 Speaker 1: one win. So to me, that's two and four. Two 1406 01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:56,920 Speaker 1: and four I think would be considered surviving. They do 1407 01:29:57,080 --> 01:30:00,760 Speaker 1: have Travis Hunter. Would you like to name somebody that 1408 01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:05,000 Speaker 1: can cover him or that can uh well not? And 1409 01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:07,160 Speaker 1: they and they got a freshman and they got a 1410 01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:13,640 Speaker 1: freshman too, Yeah, Kirk Cormanie McLean, Clay Cormanie McClain. Yeah. 1411 01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:15,920 Speaker 1: And if he's half the player Travis Hunter is, then 1412 01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:19,160 Speaker 1: that's one of the most talented defensive backfields in the country. Yep. 1413 01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:24,599 Speaker 1: So they're gonna be in some of these games. I 1414 01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:26,880 Speaker 1: do not have There's a lot of people that doubt 1415 01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:29,040 Speaker 1: should her. I don't. I think he's gonna be fine. 1416 01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:32,479 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be great. Here here, Here's the 1417 01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:37,720 Speaker 1: thing that I truly believe, right, is that there's going 1418 01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:42,559 Speaker 1: to be a learning curve for Dion out in in Boulder. 1419 01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:45,759 Speaker 1: There's gonna be a learning curve. There's a big difference 1420 01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:47,960 Speaker 1: from going to play in Jackson State in terms of 1421 01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:51,160 Speaker 1: schemes that work all of this stuff, to when you 1422 01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:54,960 Speaker 1: come into Pack twelve. Because at Jackson State, his teams 1423 01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:59,320 Speaker 1: were more talented by year two than everybody else that 1424 01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:01,920 Speaker 1: they played. Again, right, like they always had the most 1425 01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:07,599 Speaker 1: talented team. But when you go into the Pac twelve 1426 01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:15,559 Speaker 1: and you play Nebraska and you play TCU, your team 1427 01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:19,479 Speaker 1: is not going to be the most talented team weekend 1428 01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:22,719 Speaker 1: and week out. It's just not And you're probably only 1429 01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:27,080 Speaker 1: gonna have the most talented team. Probably three games on 1430 01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:29,559 Speaker 1: your schedule this year. I'm talking about with the talent 1431 01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:36,240 Speaker 1: assembled this year, maybe three games. Yeah, he's he's probably 1432 01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:38,360 Speaker 1: thinking they're gonna be five and one six zero. He 1433 01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:43,040 Speaker 1: doesn't think like that, so well, well, if fire were him, 1434 01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:45,400 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be thinking about the damn record. I'm I'm 1435 01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:50,400 Speaker 1: grind and trying to just Yeah, but but that's for 1436 01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:53,800 Speaker 1: us to talk about. Yeah, all I know is Nebraska 1437 01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:57,400 Speaker 1: fans are gonna they're gonna buy up every seat in Boulder, 1438 01:31:58,000 --> 01:31:59,599 Speaker 1: and then you're gonna have to go out to Eugene 1439 01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:01,960 Speaker 1: and you give Eugene fans a reason to be that 1440 01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:07,760 Speaker 1: loud in that stadium that early in the season. Yep, 1441 01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:12,439 Speaker 1: that's gonna be interesting. Yeah, I'm I can. I'm thrilled 1442 01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:16,080 Speaker 1: that Colorado is relevant and Dion did that, like when 1443 01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:20,559 Speaker 1: he goes to La La Loves Stars. People are going 1444 01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:27,960 Speaker 1: to come out to see Colorado. They are Yep, exactly, 1445 01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:32,240 Speaker 1: they they are gonna go. Um, Now, what other big 1446 01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:35,320 Speaker 1: transfers do we need to talk about within the conference 1447 01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:40,080 Speaker 1: or well? DJ, First of all, I want to get 1448 01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:41,720 Speaker 1: into the Jaden rashot A thing because I don't think 1449 01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:45,400 Speaker 1: we've we've recalled all that went down. Did I miss that? Oh? Yes, yes, 1450 01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:48,679 Speaker 1: yes I did miss that. You know you you're close 1451 01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:50,800 Speaker 1: to the situation, so I don't you know, it is 1452 01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:55,200 Speaker 1: what it is. But I feel like the media has 1453 01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:58,679 Speaker 1: done a pretty decent job outside of one Athletic article 1454 01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:01,839 Speaker 1: that I thought was highly irrespondible. They had Ari Wasserman 1455 01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:06,519 Speaker 1: out at the Elite eleven, Yeah, the Elite eleven finals 1456 01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:10,920 Speaker 1: in Tennessee as a as a reporter, and then they 1457 01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:14,759 Speaker 1: say that an Athletic reporter reported seeing Jaden roshot of crying. 1458 01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:17,960 Speaker 1: But like, why would you hide your own reporter as 1459 01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:21,599 Speaker 1: a source in your story? So I've I have issues 1460 01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:24,720 Speaker 1: with the Athletic for them. I thought that the cornballshit 1461 01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:29,479 Speaker 1: from the Athletic the same way that they decided to 1462 01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:34,479 Speaker 1: when they wrote an article about Russell Wilson this last week, 1463 01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:41,599 Speaker 1: said said from the Athletic staff with the inflammatory stuff 1464 01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:44,880 Speaker 1: in it. Oh so so why. I Also, it's the 1465 01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:46,599 Speaker 1: public's job to tell you whether or not you did 1466 01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:48,200 Speaker 1: a good job. And one of the things that I'm 1467 01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:50,280 Speaker 1: sick of from the Athletic is like they'll put out 1468 01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:54,240 Speaker 1: an article which is their job, literally their job, and 1469 01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:57,679 Speaker 1: then all of them will get on a podcast together 1470 01:33:58,439 --> 01:34:02,320 Speaker 1: and pat each other on the back before the reaction 1471 01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:04,439 Speaker 1: to what they didn't even have, Like, can you believe 1472 01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:06,120 Speaker 1: that we were able to put this together? Yeah, dude, 1473 01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:09,240 Speaker 1: it's your job. It's literally your job to write things. 1474 01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:12,160 Speaker 1: And so you know, they just kind of exist in 1475 01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:15,840 Speaker 1: this in this circle jerk bubble and it's but though 1476 01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:19,080 Speaker 1: Jaden were shot a thing, you know, they had the numbers, 1477 01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:22,759 Speaker 1: they didn't want to implicate Darren, They couldn't implicate Darren Heyner. 1478 01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:27,639 Speaker 1: But Darren Heyner came off looking pretty terrible. Um, if 1479 01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:30,680 Speaker 1: somebody The thing that I appreciated was it seems that 1480 01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:34,679 Speaker 1: the overwhelming majority of the reaction from even people with 1481 01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:38,000 Speaker 1: with non functioning brains was that if somebody offers you 1482 01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:41,639 Speaker 1: thirteen million dollars, you're going to agree to it. Yes, 1483 01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:46,519 Speaker 1: So that's and then when that money's not there, then 1484 01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:48,320 Speaker 1: it is what it is. You told me this was 1485 01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:52,479 Speaker 1: happening before it every went down. And the fact that 1486 01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:55,759 Speaker 1: he ended up at Arizona is Arizona State is interesting 1487 01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:58,839 Speaker 1: because Arizona State's got a bunch of quarterbacks. Well, here 1488 01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:02,400 Speaker 1: here is the here's the thing that I have learned 1489 01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:07,400 Speaker 1: over the last two months, and I will detail this 1490 01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:12,639 Speaker 1: a lot more after my son signs is a letter 1491 01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:19,880 Speaker 1: of intent. And because there have been some things like 1492 01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:23,679 Speaker 1: there's a there is one coach that I know very well, right, 1493 01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:28,720 Speaker 1: his office coordinator wanted to his office coordinator quarterbacks coach 1494 01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:33,320 Speaker 1: wanted to offer my son a scholarship. That head coach, 1495 01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:39,840 Speaker 1: he approves all of the offers that go out turn 1496 01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:43,120 Speaker 1: on the film. Oh is that is this kid related 1497 01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:45,920 Speaker 1: to George Reister? Yes? Oh no, we're not even looking 1498 01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:49,599 Speaker 1: at this kid. We're not even looking at this kid 1499 01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:52,120 Speaker 1: because he didn't like something that I said about him 1500 01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:57,759 Speaker 1: on which was and you know who this is. So 1501 01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:02,880 Speaker 1: do you think I said anything unfair or untrue about 1502 01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:08,080 Speaker 1: him or his program? No, no, I don't. But I 1503 01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:13,200 Speaker 1: also understand that people are sensitive, and if you are sensitive, 1504 01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:16,439 Speaker 1: then you know that that's going to be the result. 1505 01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:18,920 Speaker 1: So to take it out on your but I've also 1506 01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:21,080 Speaker 1: called him as a good but I've also said he's 1507 01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:23,400 Speaker 1: a good coach too. Yeah, But to take it out 1508 01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:26,160 Speaker 1: on your kid, or to take it out on yourself 1509 01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:32,400 Speaker 1: by not giving yourself the best opportunity to win, would 1510 01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:36,840 Speaker 1: reinforce maybe saying some additional things about that coach exactly exactly. 1511 01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:40,880 Speaker 1: So um, yeah, I'm not going to be totally obvious 1512 01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:46,080 Speaker 1: about it. So what we will have this conversation at 1513 01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:48,920 Speaker 1: a later date. For sure, I'm sure Harlonard Shotta has 1514 01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:51,679 Speaker 1: a million stories about how crazy this whole thing was. Well, 1515 01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:53,760 Speaker 1: and if he was a father, he wanted the best 1516 01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:56,800 Speaker 1: for his son period. Yeah, And people would like on 1517 01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:01,559 Speaker 1: different message boards constantly say, oh, it's about the money 1518 01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:04,519 Speaker 1: with the Rashot, it's it's about the money that it matters. 1519 01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:08,120 Speaker 1: But the thing is, if you have value, when is 1520 01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:10,599 Speaker 1: it not about the money, Like like when when you're 1521 01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:13,000 Speaker 1: going to go get a job and you're trying to 1522 01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:17,840 Speaker 1: figure out the optimal place for you to work out. Obviously, 1523 01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:24,080 Speaker 1: everybody wants to be in geographically desirable location. For some 1524 01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:26,880 Speaker 1: people that's Iowa, some people that's Florida, some people it's 1525 01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:32,679 Speaker 1: New York, some people it's California. So geographically desirable with 1526 01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:36,240 Speaker 1: good work conditions, right, So like those are and where 1527 01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:38,360 Speaker 1: your family is going to be happy like that. Those 1528 01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:43,360 Speaker 1: are the three constants. But now the differentiator between those, 1529 01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:46,480 Speaker 1: which adds a sliding scale to some of those metrics, 1530 01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:51,960 Speaker 1: is money. So if you have value, so for anybody 1531 01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:54,280 Speaker 1: to say, Oh, it shouldn't be about the money. If 1532 01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:58,519 Speaker 1: you have value, why would you go somewhere that may 1533 01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:04,759 Speaker 1: be equal in your mind to another place for free? Well, 1534 01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:07,000 Speaker 1: just think about it this way. Let's take a guy 1535 01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:10,920 Speaker 1: like Beijean Robinson. Right, this is one of the most 1536 01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:14,559 Speaker 1: talented running backs I've ever seen, And yes I'm being 1537 01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:17,479 Speaker 1: a homer about it, but also objectively he is up there. 1538 01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:20,759 Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, all time leader in yards per carry 1539 01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:25,040 Speaker 1: at University of Texas. Do many running backs have gone 1540 01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:32,880 Speaker 1: through University of Texas? Yes, you had Ricky Williams. Uh oh, 1541 01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:37,360 Speaker 1: the kid in Carolina this year, Cedric Benson. Yeah, like 1542 01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:39,600 Speaker 1: they have a dude's after dude after dude after this 1543 01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:45,160 Speaker 1: is a dude in Carolina? Now, um, well Carolina has 1544 01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:52,880 Speaker 1: a no besides Hubbard. Yes, there were going, Um yeah, 1545 01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:59,080 Speaker 1: so there's you know, let's say that the best thing 1546 01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:02,960 Speaker 1: for Beijan's a rear, long term for the next forty 1547 01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:04,759 Speaker 1: years of his life would be to slip to twenty 1548 01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:08,200 Speaker 1: seven and go to Buffalo. Yeah, let's say that that's 1549 01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:10,920 Speaker 1: the best thing for his career. Okay, do you think 1550 01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:13,800 Speaker 1: that that means that Beijan if a team calls and 1551 01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:16,679 Speaker 1: says we're going to take you at nine. That Beijean 1552 01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:18,160 Speaker 1: will be like, actually, I was hoping to fall to 1553 01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:22,719 Speaker 1: twenty seven. No, right you. So you immediately are like, God, 1554 01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:25,000 Speaker 1: that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my entire life. 1555 01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:29,360 Speaker 1: Exactly right. So why is it not different for Jaden 1556 01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:32,599 Speaker 1: Rashata for University of Florida to come to him and say, 1557 01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:34,559 Speaker 1: we think you're the most valuable quarterback in the country. 1558 01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:37,840 Speaker 1: We're going to prove it. When you say like, well, actually, 1559 01:39:37,880 --> 01:39:40,840 Speaker 1: I think it's probably better for my future to not 1560 01:39:41,439 --> 01:39:46,760 Speaker 1: get more money in college than most quarterbacks make over 1561 01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:50,080 Speaker 1: their rookie deal. Yeah, And the reality is is that 1562 01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:53,080 Speaker 1: if the money gets paid out, And that's part of 1563 01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:55,080 Speaker 1: the thing that I wanted to talk about about this 1564 01:39:56,120 --> 01:40:00,680 Speaker 1: is that so there are some schools and and I 1565 01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:02,280 Speaker 1: know that people are gonna say I'm a homer and 1566 01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:05,360 Speaker 1: all this stuff, right, but one of the schools that 1567 01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:09,240 Speaker 1: recruits consistently talk about that is doing well in NIL 1568 01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:13,799 Speaker 1: is the University of Oregon. They are not having kids 1569 01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:17,080 Speaker 1: on the campus unhappy. And one of the things that 1570 01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:19,360 Speaker 1: makes and granted there are the schools that are paying 1571 01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:22,080 Speaker 1: some of their kids more money than they are at Organs, 1572 01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:25,200 Speaker 1: So I'm not denying that. However, one of the things 1573 01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:32,400 Speaker 1: that sets expectations and frustrations is unfulfilled promises, and Oregon 1574 01:40:32,479 --> 01:40:37,880 Speaker 1: has not been making unfulfilled promises. You have USC who's collective, 1575 01:40:38,439 --> 01:40:42,519 Speaker 1: from what I understand, paid out Caleb Williams like fifteen 1576 01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:45,920 Speaker 1: thousand dollars last year that the boulevard which is now 1577 01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:53,400 Speaker 1: since the now since is the defunct boulevard. It's gone. 1578 01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:56,080 Speaker 1: They're trying to create a new one with Keyshawn Johnson 1579 01:40:56,080 --> 01:41:01,920 Speaker 1: and Alex Holmes. So so their collective is done. Like 1580 01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:04,840 Speaker 1: there's so many of these ones that were promising kids 1581 01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:07,479 Speaker 1: money and all this stuff, and the money ain't showed up. 1582 01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:10,960 Speaker 1: So you are going to see and this is why 1583 01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:15,200 Speaker 1: when people freaked out, oh, inducements, inducements, listen, the market 1584 01:41:15,240 --> 01:41:19,000 Speaker 1: will correct itself because these are shrewd businessmen and they 1585 01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:21,559 Speaker 1: are not just going to keep throwing good money after bad. 1586 01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:24,880 Speaker 1: And now Arizona State might blow this, but their current 1587 01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:28,080 Speaker 1: strategy is retention over inducement, so that you actually can 1588 01:41:28,120 --> 01:41:30,360 Speaker 1: come to campus and have people say like, yeah, this 1589 01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:32,120 Speaker 1: is what I got for coming back for year two 1590 01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:35,920 Speaker 1: or year three. Yep, I think that that's probably the 1591 01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:38,320 Speaker 1: future of this. Yes, but the money has to be there. 1592 01:41:38,439 --> 01:41:42,879 Speaker 1: People are promising money that's not cash in hand, yes, correct, 1593 01:41:43,439 --> 01:41:45,920 Speaker 1: they're doing it based on investment portfolios that go up 1594 01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:48,919 Speaker 1: and go down. It's very possible that money is promised 1595 01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:52,160 Speaker 1: to kids based on what people thought that cryptocurrency was 1596 01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:55,120 Speaker 1: going to do. All of a sudden, Sam Free Bankman 1597 01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:59,360 Speaker 1: or whatever his name is behind bars. You know, markets changed, 1598 01:41:59,400 --> 01:42:01,240 Speaker 1: You don't have them the cash that you said to have. 1599 01:42:01,479 --> 01:42:04,960 Speaker 1: So what's gonna go? Your promise is gonna go? Yep, Right, 1600 01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:07,599 Speaker 1: you've dealt with this, just even at the high school level. 1601 01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:11,320 Speaker 1: You've dealt with this. I'm seeing people make big cash 1602 01:42:11,320 --> 01:42:15,879 Speaker 1: promises and not you know, and and and situation changes. 1603 01:42:16,360 --> 01:42:19,000 Speaker 1: This stuff happens. So you have to understand that, like 1604 01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:22,719 Speaker 1: what somebody says they have in an nil collective unless 1605 01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:27,840 Speaker 1: it's cash on hand, is completely meaningless. You are one right, 1606 01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:33,760 Speaker 1: right it is. It is fool's gold. And it just 1607 01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:38,000 Speaker 1: doesn't work, man, It just does not work at all. Um. 1608 01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:40,800 Speaker 1: But uh yeah, so we are going to see some 1609 01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:45,080 Speaker 1: drastic changes. So don't you get your little panties in 1610 01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:47,479 Speaker 1: a bunch of people. Yeah, that's since we do. We 1611 01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:50,200 Speaker 1: went along on Rashada. Do you think how do you 1612 01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:52,280 Speaker 1: think he's gonna be? Okay, Arizona State. I think it's 1613 01:42:52,280 --> 01:42:54,679 Speaker 1: a good situation for him. Yeah it is. He turned 1614 01:42:54,720 --> 01:43:00,200 Speaker 1: down TCU. They they visited Arizona State, TCU and what 1615 01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:03,600 Speaker 1: other school and they did like so. And it was 1616 01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:06,000 Speaker 1: funny because when people are like, oh, Washington is his 1617 01:43:06,200 --> 01:43:07,960 Speaker 1: most like, he was like, yo, we didn't even heard 1618 01:43:07,960 --> 01:43:11,599 Speaker 1: from Washington yea like on that on that level at all, 1619 01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:16,320 Speaker 1: so that that was just hogwash. But yeah, since we 1620 01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:19,240 Speaker 1: went long on Rashana, let's get into transfers next time. Okay, 1621 01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:21,760 Speaker 1: tune in next week or tweeks from now or whenever 1622 01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:24,240 Speaker 1: we record. But it's it's a long offseason. You gotta 1623 01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:26,320 Speaker 1: let us have our personal lives. We don't even know 1624 01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:28,479 Speaker 1: if this conference is coming back. It's the end of 1625 01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:30,759 Speaker 1: the world party. We're up on the roof like Independence 1626 01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:34,599 Speaker 1: Day with a sign yeah saying welcome, welcome, people, welcome. 1627 01:43:35,120 --> 01:43:37,920 Speaker 1: All right, I'm George Reister, He's Ralph Ampton. This is 1628 01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:39,160 Speaker 1: the PAC Twelve Apostles