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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and the former President Obama says the

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Speaker 1: US is worse.

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Speaker 2: Off now than before the war and ira on. We

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Speaker 2: have such a great show for you today. To the contraries.

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Speaker 1: Charlie Psyke steps by to talk about President Trump declaring

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Speaker 1: himself to be a God king. Then we'll talk to

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Speaker 1: Jermentum's Josh Cohen about how he thinks the midterms are

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Speaker 1: shaping up.

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Speaker 3: But first the news Somali.

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Speaker 4: We are starting to see with the Democrats disadvantage for

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Speaker 4: taking back the houses. We did get some rough news

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Speaker 4: up in the state of Maine in a contentious district.

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Speaker 1: So this is his main second district, which was represented

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Speaker 1: by Jared Golden.

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Speaker 2: It's a very very rural district.

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Speaker 1: It's the part of Maine that is the most conservative

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Speaker 1: part of me It has been a seat that Jared

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Speaker 1: was sort of a unicorn in that seat because Democrats

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Speaker 1: have really lost rural voters recently, and so the thinking

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Speaker 1: hold on to. The d Triple C had a candidate

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Speaker 1: who was they thought would have done better. The Republicans

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Speaker 1: had a candidate that they wanted, the Democratic candidate that

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Speaker 1: they wanted one Now the Republican candidate is PAULA.

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Speaker 2: Page. He is pretty wacky. Trump before Trump guy.

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Speaker 1: The thinking is, it's going to be hard for Democrats

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Speaker 2: Hold on to. But what's important about this story is

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Speaker 2: it showing what.

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Speaker 1: The new, very gerrymandered everything looks like. And it looks

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Speaker 1: like a lot of the seats that Democrats have held

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Speaker 1: maybe starting to go out of reach. And a lot

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Speaker 1: of them are seats in these states where they went

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Speaker 1: So Emmanuel Cleaver, he's now in a Trump plus eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Darren Soto in Florida is in a Trump plus seventeen.

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Speaker 1: You know, you have Marcy Captor in Ohio, she's now

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Speaker 1: in a Trump plus ten. So we have Democratic districts

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Speaker 1: that are being flipped. So the question is, and there

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Speaker 1: are a bunch of these seats in Texas where the

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Speaker 1: legislature redrew to support their guy, Donald Trump. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what happens here. But there's real headwinds. They're anti

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Speaker 1: democratic kenwins that Republicans did at the behest of Trump.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Trump isn't as popular as he was

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Speaker 1: when he ran in twenty twenty four, and so you know,

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Speaker 1: will underperform those numbers. But again, there's a fair amount

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Speaker 1: of cheating here. And what's important about this story is

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Speaker 1: the cheating and that we're watching Republicans cheat here.

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Speaker 4: Yep, speaking of Republicans cheating. Trump is doing his thing

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Speaker 4: where he goes and campaigns for what he wants, tries

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Speaker 4: to pressure Republicans into it, and this time it's getting

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Speaker 4: rid of the filibuster to pass the Save Act because

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Speaker 4: he knows he's in trouble with this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Donald Trump is really really worried about the

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Speaker 1: midterms Emian. Look, you know, he did some really antique

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Speaker 1: democratic stuff, but even he understands it's not going to

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Speaker 1: be enough. And so he really wants John Soon to

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Speaker 1: get rid of the philibuster because he thinks that if

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Speaker 1: He can stay in power and Republicans can stay in power.

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Speaker 1: There is zero chance that they're going to kill the filibuster, especially.

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Speaker 2: Now they just math this out.

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Speaker 1: For a second, fifty three Republican senators right, three have

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Speaker 1: lost their jobs because of Trump. That's the Yolo caucus,

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Speaker 1: have fifty votes for anything, so you need sixty votes.

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Speaker 1: he would need about fifteen n Paxton's in order to

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Speaker 1: But I don't think Trump understands just how much good

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Speaker 1: and in Punchbowl, which only reports on Congress, and they

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Speaker 1: part of the thing about the Senate is it doesn't

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Speaker 1: The House doesn't work like the House anymore either, because

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Speaker 1: happened before, happened before this period when Donald Trump really

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Speaker 1: So what's going to happen here? Next week the House

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Speaker 1: and the Senate are back. We're going to see you know,

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Speaker 1: Bill Poulty is DNI right now. He already asked for

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Speaker 6: He arrived early just to do this.

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Speaker 2: Two things about Bill Pulty.

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Speaker 1: I want to pull back and for people to remember

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Speaker 1: how Donald Trump discovered Bill Pulty.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember how Donald Trump discovered Bill Pulty?

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Speaker 6: I actually don't know the story.

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Speaker 1: Oh he was an internatural Oh.

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Speaker 6: That's such a good thing. You know, usually like what

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Speaker 6: Trump likes as.

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Speaker 4: A man who's a certain shape and size and like

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Speaker 6: But this is a new uh strain for him.

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Speaker 2: Bill Pulty he was the grandson of William J.

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Speaker 1: Poulti the Pulty Group, a home construction company. He went

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Speaker 1: to Northwestern and good for him, he started Pulty Capital

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Speaker 1: and twenty eleven so he had a leadership dispute. He

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Speaker 1: platform for his philanthropic efforts.

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Speaker 2: Okay, are you ready? Are you with me here?

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Speaker 6: Hell?

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Speaker 2: So he was a Twitter guy. Basically.

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Speaker 1: He ended up being asked to get off the board

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Speaker 1: of the Poulty Group in twenty twenty because the board

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Speaker 1: members were displeased by the way he was using Pulti

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Speaker 1: during a summer vacation. He was inspired by Andrew Yang.

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Speaker 1: You'll remember Andrew Yang.

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Speaker 6: Oh yes, yes, every day I think about him. Really.

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Speaker 1: He has referred to himself as the inventor of Twitter. Philanthropy.

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Speaker 1: But in order to get money from Bill Poulty, you

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Speaker 1: have to follow him. He has done a lot of

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Speaker 1: Go fund Me campaigns. He has three point two million

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Speaker 1: Twitter followers. In twenty nineteen, this is the meat cute story.

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Speaker 1: President Trump praised Paulty for promising to give two cars

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Speaker 1: to two veterans. If Donald Trump retweeted the post, I

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Speaker 1: swear to god, this is the DNI. Paulty and his

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is like how you become DNI in

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration. Okay, yes, yeah, so that's where we

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Speaker 4: One of the things we see is a lot of

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Speaker 4: FAFO these days. And Pete Haigseth has decided, like RFK

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Speaker 4: before him, that vaccines are woke.

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Speaker 6: So we got rid of the requirement for those serving

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Speaker 4: And you'll be shocked to hear nearly one hundred and

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Speaker 1: It's so stupid, because especially this week, we just learned

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Speaker 1: all sorts of interesting stuff. You know, there are all

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Speaker 1: these different studies that just came out about how this

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Speaker 1: shingles vaccine has some connection with a prevention or slowing

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Speaker 1: of dementia. There is a great vaccine for cervical cancer.

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Speaker 1: We are in the golden age of vaccines. And the

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Speaker 1: Republicans are anti vax because they who knows. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: Pete hag Sass, even though he went to Princeton, pretends

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Speaker 1: not to understand science. Charlie Sykes is the author of

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Speaker 1: the newsletter to the Contrary in the book How the

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Speaker 1: Right Lost Its Mind.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Charlie Sykes.

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Speaker 3: Well, another hell of a week.

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Speaker 1: So Donald Trump signed the Treaty of Versailles. It's not

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Speaker 1: wait wait, wait, it's not called the Treaty of Versailles.

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Speaker 5: Right, we can call we can call it that. We

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Speaker 5: can call the Surrender of Versailles.

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Speaker 2: The surrender of Versailles.

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Speaker 1: But then he sat down with the folks at Axios

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Speaker 1: man theory, and he said he's discovered there are no

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Speaker 1: limits to his power since going to war with Iran.

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Speaker 5: Well, okay, so there's a couple of ironies here, right,

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Speaker 5: because he in fact he has discovered the limits of

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Speaker 5: none of his goals. But what's interesting about this, it's

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Speaker 5: in the context of this Maggie Haberman Jonathan Swam book

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Speaker 5: where he's got an obsession with comparing himself to people

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Speaker 5: like Caesar, Alexander the Great, Attila the Hunt, Adolph Hitler, MAO,

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Speaker 5: and you know, go he what apparently he really likes

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Speaker 5: is to go through all of these great men who

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Speaker 5: ruled by fear and force and who believed that Mike

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Speaker 5: but I, because I can fly in an airplane and

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Speaker 5: I have a global reach, I am more powerful than

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Speaker 5: any man who has ever lived, which is kind of,

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Speaker 5: I suppose, funny, but also terrifying as a display of meglomania.

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Speaker 5: And the man who, who as absurd as he is,

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Speaker 5: still does have his finger on the nuclear button. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: this is this is a through line in in Donald

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Speaker 5: Trump's view of himself as a great man. It's part

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Speaker 1: The Iron Nuclear Deal. We're calling it the JC oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm just sorry that. Yes, yeah, it's a deep cut.

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Speaker 1: You'll remember it from twenty fifteen. The new one. It

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Speaker 1: basically has none of the deal parts or the nukes parts.

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Speaker 3: Right, what is it?

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Speaker 5: But other than that, other than that, yeah, Well, the

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Speaker 5: the more genuinely shocking it is. How weak it is.

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Speaker 5: You know that clearly you have, you know, major concessions

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Speaker 5: up front to Iran without any commitment whatsoever that they're

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Speaker 5: going to abandon their nuclear program. I mean they told,

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Speaker 5: you know, back in twenty fifteen Iran pleasure would never

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Speaker 5: get a nuclear weapons. So that's never been been the issue.

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Speaker 5: So every time Trump talks about this, it gets worse.

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Speaker 5: Even when he's saying that they would be so unfair

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Speaker 5: if we didn't let them have ballistic missiles.

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Speaker 3: Well wait, wait, wait, that was something that.

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Speaker 5: Mark Rubio was just like, we have to, you know,

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Speaker 5: degrade their missile capability. So I think and again the

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Speaker 5: talks are off today though you've heard the tragic news

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Speaker 5: that JD. Vans had to cancel his trip to Switzerland

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Speaker 5: spend more time with a family at home.

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Speaker 2: Is that what it was?

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Speaker 5: Well, there was no drama because you know, people I

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Speaker 1: But I also think Maloney's such a good is such

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Speaker 1: That there's there's gambling in this establishment. I mean, they

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Speaker 3: Have you ever like noticed what he's doing? By the way,

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Speaker 5: Has just stumbled, bumbled, he's gaslighting, he's lying about the

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Speaker 5: You know, he really has been given the poisoned chalice

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Speaker 1: I would say this, no one has ever had a

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Speaker 3: That creates ill will.

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Speaker 5: Right then, it seemed like a very very clear middle

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Speaker 5: finger to the Senate when he nominated Todd.

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Speaker 3: Blanche said basically.

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Speaker 5: I'm daring you to vote against him in the middle

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Speaker 5: of the whole slush fund issue, you know, the guy

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Speaker 5: who is in the center of the Epstein file cover up.

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Speaker 5: That's kind of that's an f you like, I'm going

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Speaker 5: to make you vote yes or or or up or down.

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Speaker 5: That was pretty bad. But then this week this thing

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Speaker 5: feels like it went to a whole different level because

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Speaker 5: the Senator's rebelled against the Bill Pulti nomination as acting

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Speaker 5: d and I uh, you know, Director of National Intelligence,

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Speaker 5: and they basically said, we're not going to do anything because.

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Speaker 3: We're so appalled by this.

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Speaker 5: Trump looked like he was backing off for like five

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Speaker 5: minutes and then just you know, and so they nominate

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Speaker 5: somebody else, and Tom Cotton, who's kind of a Trump loyalist,

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Speaker 5: you know, the sherman of the committee, schedules the confirmation hearing,

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Speaker 5: and Trump announces he's calling the hearing off, which, by

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Speaker 5: the way, the President can't tell the Senate, you know,

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Speaker 5: I can't have a hearing. So there was a little

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Speaker 5: bit of blowback. But apparently he ordered you know, the

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Speaker 5: new guy, Jay Clayton not to show up, just not

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Speaker 5: to show up. And I'm going to leave Bill Pulty

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Speaker 5: in charge. I mean, this is as close to like

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Speaker 5: in your face fu as you can get. But it's

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Speaker 5: part of a series of these fews. And given the

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Speaker 5: fact that you have a relatively narrow margin in the Senate,

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Speaker 5: this is from a political point of view, this is

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Speaker 5: a strange decision. Unless going back to our original comment

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Speaker 5: about the Great Man Donald Trump just feels that the

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Speaker 5: normal rules of politics don't reply to him because he

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Speaker 5: is this superhistorical figure. He's a great man, and he

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Speaker 5: will crush the Republicans in the Senate, bend them to

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Speaker 5: his will. And that's you know, and he's in the

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Speaker 5: process of attempting that. But you and I can count

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Speaker 5: the votes he's putting in his whole agenda at risk.

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Speaker 1: Now, I mean, and I just want to add, and

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Speaker 1: maybe I'm wishcasting here. I have been known to do this,

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Speaker 1: and I've been known to be overly optimistic, but there

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Speaker 1: is a world if you game this out fast forward.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump loses the House. Republicans lose the House, very

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Speaker 1: possible unless they can do something, Unless they do something

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Speaker 1: wildly anti democratic, they're going to lose the House. They

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Speaker 1: could lose the Senate, so but they probably won't, but

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Speaker 1: they could. So say even I it's fifty to fifty Senate, right,

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Speaker 1: that means you need You're gonna need Murkowski to vote

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Speaker 1: with you because she's still in the Senate. You know,

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Speaker 1: Cornyn Cassidy and Till'll be gone. Okay, so that's three,

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Speaker 1: but you're gonna need, you know, if Collins wins again,

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Speaker 1: which she may she may not, but she's not. She's

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Speaker 1: not you know, she's not necessarily always going to be there.

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Speaker 1: And then you have other people in the Senate who

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Speaker 1: might who are not necessarily like that's right, you know, partisan.

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Speaker 5: Has absolutely you know, a fifty to fifty Senate is

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Speaker 5: controlled by the Republicans, but it's not necessarily a working majority.

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Speaker 5: By the way, speaking of Susan Collins, you know, by

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Speaker 5: by Trump, you know, Trump appointing Todd Blanche, you know,

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Speaker 5: is he going to force her to vote up or

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Speaker 5: down on his pick for attorney general? You know, imagine

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Speaker 5: being the Susan Collins. You know what what what if

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Speaker 5: you vote for him? If you vote to confirm Todd Blanche, Wow,

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Speaker 5: you have just torched a lot of you were you know,

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Speaker 5: I am the independent voice of Maine type thing and

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Speaker 5: the other If you vote against Todd Blanch, you're going

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Speaker 5: to bring down the full fury of of of Trump

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Speaker 5: and MAGA on your on your head. So that that's

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Speaker 5: why you know, if your John Thune, you're saying, why

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Speaker 5: are you doing to the you doing this to us, Well,

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Speaker 5: it's because Donald Trump does not give.

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Speaker 2: A shit about the Republican majority.

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Speaker 3: Of the Republican Party.

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Speaker 5: Hey, can we talk about your your Can we talk

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Speaker 5: about the beautification program?

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Speaker 3: In the minutes we have?

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Speaker 2: Sorry you had you had a really great.

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Speaker 5: Great post pointing out that I don't want to take

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Speaker 5: your words out of your mouth. No, no, go the DC

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Speaker 5: beautification campaign by Donald Trump. It's not going well, isn't.

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Speaker 1: But it's also just such an it's such a great

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Speaker 1: metaphor for this administration.

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Speaker 2: Things nobody gave a fuck about.

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Speaker 1: Nobody was thinking about the reflecting pool. He made a

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Speaker 1: big deal out of it. Right now it is talk

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Speaker 1: about the reflecting people. Here are the things, and you

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Speaker 1: tell me, you just talk about what of which of

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Speaker 1: them have captured your imagination? Wrecked and cool? The last weekend,

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Speaker 1: you'll remember the Kennedy Center. There's still a tarp to

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Speaker 1: hide that they took his name down. The east wing

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Speaker 1: is in rubble. And then they also ruined the lawn

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Speaker 1: in front of the White House and had to have

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Speaker 1: it read.

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Speaker 5: Go, well, this is the you know, this is the symbol,

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Speaker 5: the metaphor for the intitification of the country, but also

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Speaker 5: the incompetence. And I have to say that I'm a

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Speaker 5: little bit fixated and obsessed with the reflecting pool. So

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Speaker 5: you know, we spend fourteen million dollars no bid contract

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Speaker 5: to painted American flag blue. It's got to be blue, right,

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Speaker 5: So what happens. It promptly turns green because of this

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Speaker 5: giant algae bloom, which was kind of swampy. You know,

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Speaker 5: for a guy who that I'm going to drain the swamp,

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Speaker 5: he's created is his own swaff. But wait, it gets better.

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Speaker 5: See I didn't think the story could get better. So

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Speaker 5: what do the great minds that Donald Trump has tasked

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Speaker 5: with is what do they do? They pour in hydrogen

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Speaker 5: peroxide to kill the algae bloom. Except, and you can

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Speaker 5: find this out easily online, hydrogen peroxide is also a

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Speaker 5: paint center. And so now the blue paint on the bottom.

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Speaker 5: I can't make this up. The blue paint is peeling

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Speaker 5: off in these big chunks and these bobs because nobody

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Speaker 5: realized that, you know, I mean, it is like watching

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Speaker 5: this this rolling just full bar over and over again.

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Speaker 5: So you know, yes, it's his beautification plan is not

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Speaker 5: going well. But it is such a metaphor for everything

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Speaker 5: else that's happening. Who is in his administration. It's the

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Speaker 5: idiocracy of the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: No, and it's it is a great example of how

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Speaker 1: Trump takes things that should be really easy or that.

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Speaker 2: Don't you know, or that have been problematic forever.

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Speaker 1: You know, the reflecting pool has been a problem for

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Speaker 1: a long time because there are a lot of elements here,

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Speaker 1: it's a huge pool whatever, and he says no, no,

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Speaker 1: it makes it an issue, like nobody was thinking about

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Speaker 1: the reflecting pool.

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Speaker 3: Nobody was an every.

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Speaker 5: One of his major problems. And there's a new Fox

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Speaker 5: News poll that is just devastating. But every one of

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Speaker 5: his problems, and we've talked about this before, is self inflicted.

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Speaker 5: They're not because the Democrats did something, or even because

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Speaker 5: of some outside event. It's one choice after another that

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump has made. And this is where you have

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Speaker 5: the this this maybe you know, the great man, that narcissist,

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Speaker 5: megalomaniac who no longer thinks that the laws of gravity

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Speaker 5: or common sense apply to him any longer, and so

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Speaker 5: he's so obsessed with this self stroking, self mythologizing, you know,

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Speaker 5: rebuilding of d C. But it sort of defend, you know,

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Speaker 5: descends from parody to farce on a daily basis, And

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Speaker 5: unfortunately the snakes.

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Speaker 3: Are still so huge.

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Speaker 5: Otherwise it'd be hilarious, so huge, so huge.

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Speaker 2: Charlie Sykes, please come.

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Speaker 3: Back anytime, anytime. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Josh Cohen is the editor of ET Injermentum.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Josh.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Georgia primary results.

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Speaker 2: Talk me through what you saw, what you did.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so last night in Georgia, my home state, where

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Speaker 7: I live and have lived my entire life of I'm

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Speaker 7: a plum life where I was born in Atlanta, I

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Speaker 7: went to Uga and I live in Atlanta.

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Speaker 6: I moved back.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we have an open governor's seat this year. We

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Speaker 7: have John oh Stuff is running for reelection this year,

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Speaker 7: so it's two pretty high profile races. And in Georgia

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Speaker 7: we have elected Republican governors ever since two thousand and two,

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Speaker 7: which is we've had basically Republican like ever since I

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Speaker 7: was born. Basically I have lived one year of my

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Speaker 7: life when I was a newborn under Roy Barnes, a Democrat,

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Speaker 7: and ever since then it has been nothing but Republican governors.

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Speaker 7: Sonny Perdue, Nathan Deal who actually was used to be

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Speaker 7: a Democrat but he switched parties in the nineties, and

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Speaker 7: so is Purdue. Actually he was also a former Democrat

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Speaker 7: state senator in Brian Kemp, who was remarkably the first

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Speaker 7: lifelong Republican ever elected Georgia governor since reconstruction. It's a

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Speaker 7: very very high stakes race. I might break some news

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Speaker 7: here for you guys.

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Speaker 2: This is the governors primaries.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so the Democrats already selected their candidate, Keisha Lance Bottoms,

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Speaker 7: the pretty unremarkable former more mayor of Atlanta and Biden

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Speaker 7: administration official. I wrote a very lengthy piece about the

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Speaker 7: history of the Atlanta Maryalty and the Democratic machine there

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Speaker 7: and sort of where she came from and like how

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Speaker 7: she represents this sort of like form of like kind

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Speaker 7: of nihilistic establishment name recognition politics that I think is

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Speaker 7: very potent in states like Georgia and like other Democratic

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Speaker 7: primary electorates across the country, but gets very little player

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Speaker 7: attention and what I would say is a very ideologically

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Speaker 7: obsessed media. A lot of the attention of this race

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Speaker 7: went to people like Jeff Duncan, who was a former Republican,

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Speaker 7: Like there are a lot of people who tried to

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Speaker 7: vice signal by talking about how much they supported him,

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Speaker 7: and Jason Estevis, who was like this kind of more

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Speaker 7: progressive ish like state senator from the Atlanta area.

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Speaker 2: He's still got eighteen percent of the mode.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he did pretty well. He actually won a lot

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Speaker 7: large parts of East Atlanta, which is pretty funny because

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Speaker 7: that's where his best parson the state were, like was

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Speaker 7: half of the city that Bottoms used to govern, which

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Speaker 7: says a bit about her as like a manager. But

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Speaker 7: I digress. She's a nominee now. She won the first

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Speaker 7: round with an outright majority of the vote, one every

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Speaker 7: county but one, and what I would call was kind

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Speaker 7: of a minor upset. It sort of made sense because

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Speaker 7: like she was in the mid forties and there were

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Speaker 7: a lot of undecided and like nobody was really making

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Speaker 7: any headway against her. But that was settled last month.

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Speaker 7: I think we both Republican races, both open seats as well,

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Speaker 7: and they both went to runoffs. So for the Senate,

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Speaker 7: we had like a three way race that ended up

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Speaker 7: going to a two way race between Mike Collins, this

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Speaker 7: very far right House representative from northeast Georgia, like kind

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Speaker 7: of between Athens and like the South Carolina border, that

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Speaker 7: sort of space between Athens and sort of like south

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Speaker 7: of Athens, very rural District Jerrymander for Republicans like arts Infinity.

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Speaker 7: His father was a congressman. That's where he got his

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Speaker 7: name recognition, so he's never really had to run in

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Speaker 7: a tough race. And he's very notable, I would say,

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Speaker 7: for having one of the most online sort of groy

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Speaker 7: purified presences of any elected Republican And that's a very

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Speaker 7: high bar, but he passes it. His people regularly like

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Speaker 7: post like very virariently anti Semitic stuff, reply to like

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Speaker 7: Nazi influencers will like. They made like weird memorial posts

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Speaker 7: for this guy who left his family behind by committing

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Speaker 7: suicide by stealing a plane and crashing into an island.

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Speaker 7: And this guy got lionized by the right because he

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Speaker 7: said that he was doing it because his job as

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Speaker 7: a pilot got stolen by DEI and so like they

657
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 7: took this literal suicidal man and made him their hero.

658
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Speaker 7: And of course the Mike Collins staff was all over

659
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Speaker 7: that they wrote like a memorial post for him. So this,

660
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 7: this person, this like old white guy is very much

661
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 7: of the bleeding edge of the online right. They've gotten

662
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Speaker 7: into some hot water with like stuff they're staffers of

663
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Speaker 7: posting yours, this very virily combative four chance style of politics.

664
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Speaker 7: And he got Trump's endorsement at the very last minute.

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Speaker 1: When he was running ten points ahead. So I mean

666
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Speaker 1: it was like one of those Trump goes in at

667
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Speaker 1: the very end.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, because the guy Kemp back Derek Dooley Kemp

669
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Speaker 7: for his popular disease as a governor and people I

670
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 7: think Kemp is like a bit overrated in the national media.

671
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Speaker 7: He has never been good ever as a talent identifier.

672
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Speaker 7: He has already horrid at it because he selected Loeffler

673
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 7: as the senator Senate, like the appointment senator after Isaacson retired,

674
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Speaker 7: and she was a fucking disaster. So he refuses to

675
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Speaker 7: run in this race because which I think was very

676
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 7: stupid because like now he's basically on a hard timer

677
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 7: where he can only run for president in twenty twenty

678
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Speaker 7: eight and there's going to be a sitting vice president

679
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Speaker 7: maybe Secretary of State who are going to be running.

680
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Speaker 7: I think he really just it was just a bizarre decision.

681
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 7: But he gets his friend Derek Dooley to run in

682
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Speaker 7: the race. And Derek Dooley is the son of the

683
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Speaker 7: legendary Georgia coach from the eighties, from the herschel Walker era,

684
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 7: like coach Dooley, like this iconic figure here Derek. I

685
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 7: assume that Camp knows him because Camp actually grew up

686
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Speaker 7: in Athens, Like so he would have been you never

687
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 7: like know it, never mind. But he has a very

688
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 7: silly accent. But like that is what some parts of

689
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 7: Athens sound like. It's still there's still some old Georgia there.

690
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 7: But he gets Derek to go in this race, and

691
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 7: Derek is like he has no Like it's usually like

692
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 7: with the cases of like the football candidates that like

693
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 7: these kind of coastal conservatives have forced onto Southern states

694
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 7: and this kind of patronizing idea like oh, they're local heroes,

695
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 7: everybody will love them. Herschel Walker and like Tubberville, at

696
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 7: least they actually played or coach for teams in the state.

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Speaker 2: This is the son of a coach.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, this was a son of a coach. He himself

699
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 7: was a coach. He was a bad one, and he

700
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 7: coached for Tennessee, which is one of the most hated

701
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Speaker 7: rivals of Georgia fans. So he was the coach of

702
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Speaker 7: Tennessee for several years. He wasn't good, so He's just

703
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Speaker 7: this kind of random guy that Camp is just forcing

704
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Speaker 7: along because he's his friend. I think Collins was very

705
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Speaker 7: would have been very beatable by a more moderate kind

706
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Speaker 7: of establish from Marlian candidate. And if you look at

707
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 7: the map, Duly does have kind of a more typical

708
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Speaker 7: like establishment.

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Speaker 2: But Collins is running for our senate.

710
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Speaker 7: Yeah, this is a Senate race, right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so Colins Senate. This is against osof Right, it

712
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Speaker 1: seems as if Collins is a is a good candidate

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Speaker 1: for Asov to run against.

714
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Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, both Dually and Ostoff were weaker, Like I

715
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 7: know people like who had worked with Osoff before and

716
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Speaker 7: they would have preferred Collins over Duly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's good news.

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Speaker 1: So let's just talk about the Senate map for Democrats

719
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Speaker 1: because it's a little counterintuitive at this moment, but it

720
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Speaker 1: does seem like there are quite a lot of pickup

721
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Speaker 1: opportunities for Democrats if they don't fuck it up. Can

722
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Speaker 1: we talk about the twenty twenty six Senate map?

723
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Speaker 6: Yeah?

724
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 7: So there. So the way this has always worked is

725
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 7: that unfortunate, like the kind of default expectation I had

726
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 7: for Trump, like really for twenty twenty eight, twenty twenty

727
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Speaker 7: four in general, was I thought, like, well, like they'll

728
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 7: like like Brown's race is a bit of a toss up,

729
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 7: and but like they should get forty eight seats. They

730
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 7: are forty seven now because Casey lost and a bit

731
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Speaker 7: of an upset, and that makes things a lot more

732
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Speaker 7: difficult because if they were at forty eight seats. There

733
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 7: are two races that should be kind of very clean opportunities,

734
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Speaker 7: assuming they hold all their races, like Georgia Michigan, which

735
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 7: like are technically competitive because they're Trump states, but like

736
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 7: the fundamentals are just so strong for them there that

737
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 7: they should be holds even though they don't have an

738
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Speaker 7: incumbinatory in Michigan. There's North Carolina, where they have Cooper

739
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 7: who has absolutely just been crushing a Republicans around it.

740
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Speaker 7: They cleared the field for this, like the RNC chair.

741
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Watley, who's.

742
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Speaker 7: Just not going to win, just a DC person. I

743
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 7: don't know if you've ever been elected in North Carolina,

744
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 7: just one of Trump's people. He's been like down by

745
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 7: like eight seven points. The entire race. That one is

746
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 7: pretty smooth, even like the really conservative like candicappers have

747
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 7: that one a lane Democrat, And there is Maine, which

748
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 7: ideally should be a very easy pick up even with Collins,

749
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 7: and it was sort of looking that way for a

750
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Speaker 7: bit because Maine. I think people can kind of forget

751
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 7: about this because May twenty sixteen was one of those

752
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 7: states that shifted very heavily to the right relative to

753
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Speaker 7: where it had been before. It was like a solid

754
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 7: double digit Obama state and then it suddenly went to

755
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 7: only voting for Hillary by like three points. So it

756
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 7: was on the verge of voting to the right of

757
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 7: the country back then, and it was seen as a

758
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 7: potentially competitive state assuming every try of twenty sixteen continues

759
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 7: in perpetuity and we have Democrats winning Texas and Florida,

760
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 7: Republicans winning Minnesota and Michigan forever. But that doesn't happen

761
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 7: because you have over the past like eight years. I

762
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 7: think this is a very unherlded story. Will Democrats slip

763
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Speaker 7: with a lot of other demographics. They've actually held up

764
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 7: their ground pretty nicely among white voters. I think Kamala

765
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 7: in twenty twenty four either like did just as well

766
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 7: as Hillary with white voters that actually did slightly better

767
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Speaker 7: than her.

768
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Speaker 2: I'm not trying to think college educated, right.

769
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Speaker 7: No white voters across the board. Wow wow, Yeah, white

770
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Speaker 7: working class voters haven't really swung significantly since twenty sixteen,

771
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Speaker 7: at least not as significant as other demographics have. I

772
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Speaker 7: think there's like a fun little fact about twenty twenty

773
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Speaker 7: is the only group in the country in twenty twenty

774
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Speaker 7: where Trump got a lower raw vote share than he

775
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 7: did in twenty sixteen was white men. So, like, the

776
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Speaker 7: Republicans have had a bit of an issue with white

777
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Speaker 7: voters for the past number of years, like especially relative

778
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Speaker 7: to the country as a whole. That has been on

779
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 7: full display in Maine, where in Maine, Maine went for

780
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Speaker 7: voting for Hillary by like two or three points to

781
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Speaker 7: voting for Biden by nine. Even when the country shifted

782
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Speaker 7: to the right by like six points, Maine only went

783
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Speaker 7: from D plus nine to D plus seven. So relative

784
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Speaker 7: to the country, main is actually pretty solidly Democratic. Now

785
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Speaker 7: in a neutral year, you'd expected, like a regular election

786
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Speaker 7: year to go for Democrats by eight or nine points.

787
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Speaker 1: But Susan Collins has some kind of weird superpack magic.

788
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Speaker 1: When we look at grand Platners, it seems as if

789
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Speaker 1: the main people like him in a way that the

790
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Speaker 1: mainstream that the national media may not completely be able

791
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Speaker 1: to grapple was.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, are they did? Yeah?

793
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Speaker 7: I think there's a two decided story here this yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

795
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Speaker 7: This isn't like really a popular take on it, because

796
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 7: it's either everything about him as terrible and he's a

797
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 7: total disaster, or he's awesome and he's affirmably good and

798
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 7: he's showing those DC insiders what's what by being like

799
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Speaker 7: a serial cheater or whatever makes him a man of

800
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Speaker 7: the people. The actual like the data and like what

801
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Speaker 7: I think makes sense is like a reasonable narrative in

802
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 7: that race? Is that what's and I think this is

803
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 7: very interesting. There were the scandals that happened in October,

804
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Speaker 7: the Reddit stuff, the tattoo stuff, and although that was

805
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 7: people assumed that it would like totally send him. What

806
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 7: happens after that is and maybe this is just a

807
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 7: result of his name recognition increasing, of the overall electric

808
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 7: national environment becoming bluer. But Platner's numbers, his best numbers,

809
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Speaker 7: came after the October scandals. His favorability ratings were consistently

810
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Speaker 7: very solid. People liked him. There was a main reporter

811
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Speaker 7: who said, and I like quoted this. I think at

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Speaker 7: the time he went around the entire state, and he

813
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Speaker 7: couldn't find a single person who went away from Planter

814
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Speaker 7: because of the tattoo or reddit stuff. The comparison, to

815
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Speaker 7: make very extensively in the article that I just wrote,

816
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 7: like the art of losing your party is that Plattner.

817
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Speaker 7: And I would love to say that this is the

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Speaker 7: case because he's a very kind of progressive left wing candidate,

819
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Speaker 7: and I'm a more progressive left wing person who would

820
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Speaker 7: like my faction to do well. And I would love

821
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Speaker 7: to say that him like just blowing the doors off

822
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Speaker 7: in this election is because everybody's left wing now and

823
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Speaker 7: they like his policies that he's running on. That is

824
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Speaker 7: not really true. I don't think there's much evidence for

825
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 7: that one. Because there was a governor's race in Maine

826
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Speaker 7: where he and Bernie Sanders both back this like very credible,

827
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 7: more progressive candidate for that race, Troy Jackson, and he

828
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Speaker 7: comes in for He's probably gonna come in fourth place

829
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Speaker 7: on when choice voting with twenty something percent of the vote.

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Speaker 7: There isn't like some just huge surgeon left wing attitudes here.

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Speaker 7: What Platner did. It was the exact opposite of catching

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Speaker 7: an ideological wave. He's sort of like Trump, who has

833
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 7: never seen like a particularly strong ideological warrior. In twenty

834
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Speaker 7: sixteen among Republicans, his personality and the way he conducted

835
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 7: himself and what he represented as a person or in

836
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 7: some who could be in politics was so compelling that

837
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 7: it transcended regular ideological divides within the party. And stuff

838
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Speaker 7: like the fact that he had gotten like a stupid

839
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Speaker 7: tattoo when he was in the Marines, or that he

840
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 7: had gone through tough times and posted dumb stuff on Reddit.

841
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Speaker 7: All of that reinforced the idea that he was this

842
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Speaker 7: like that he was a veteran, that he was a liberal, progressive,

843
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 7: blue collar veteran who is not like the regular politicians

844
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 7: you would see. And it was sort of like how

845
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Speaker 7: whenever they would talk about like Trump's like fraud scandals,

846
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 7: Trump university, stuff that sort of reinforced his reputation as

847
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 7: a savvy businessman, like just bringing up all the weird

848
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Speaker 7: stuff that Platina had done all of his kind, and

849
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Speaker 7: I would say, relatable scandals and this is distinct from

850
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 7: the adultery thing like what I think. I tweeted this

851
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Speaker 7: a couple like like week, like last week or two

852
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 7: weeks ago. Everybody in their life knows and generally does

853
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 7: like somebody who would get a tad dumb tattoo or

854
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 7: post something stupid on social media. Most people at some

855
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 7: point in their lives have probably like either done one

856
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 7: of those things. Like maybe not to thee set that

857
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Speaker 7: Platner did, but like people don't really like he kind

858
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 7: of like the Skull Crossbones isn't really like super well

859
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 7: known in a way that would make it really stand out.

860
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 7: It reinforced his whole attitude, which is compelling. Everybody loves

861
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Speaker 7: like there's a whole industry of viral videos of like

862
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 7: blue collar white men saying progressive things. It's an intense

863
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 7: emotional validator to people, especially after the insecurities of like

864
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 7: having like your party like this kind of idea that

865
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 7: it can't win normal people.

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Speaker 2: Does this help them or hurt him?

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Speaker 7: His initial scandals I think on the net helped him

868
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 7: because he was doing very well after them. If they

869
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 7: didn't help him, then they were neutral. The adultery thing

870
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 7: is very different, and I think we're seeing this in

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Speaker 7: the pulling. Immediately after the adultery stuff goes down, he

872
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Speaker 7: went from having like favorability ratings like in the high

873
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 7: single digits. Now they're in the low single digits. His

874
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 7: lead against Collins went from like plus eight plus seven

875
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 7: plus nine now it's plus three plus four plus one,

876
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 7: like kind of close to within the margin of error.

877
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 2: So he's going to get cream d saying no, I don't.

878
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 7: Think he's going to get creamed, but like he's not

879
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 7: like the super candidate he could have been. We're at

880
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 7: a point now where he is genuinely kind of controversial.

881
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 7: I think that, like the adultery stuff, and it took

882
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 7: me back personally because his whole arc had been like

883
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 7: I had a really tough time after I left the army,

884
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 7: like other people who like other veterans who struggled, Like

885
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 7: everybody knows how much struggles people go and after like

886
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 7: they did the kinds of deployments that he did. But

887
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 7: I got better, like starting around twenty twenty, the past

888
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 7: five years, through the power of my community and my friends,

889
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 7: and like that informs my politics. The serial sexting stuff

890
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 7: is one not something really relatable for people, not something

891
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 7: that people really like or appreciate. It goes against his

892
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 7: own personal narrative, which is that he had become a

893
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 7: better person around like the start of last year. But

894
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 7: all of this serial cheating, serial sex thing was happening

895
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 7: like at the start of last year. It was months

896
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 7: before he declared for the race, So it kind of

897
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 7: it throws a wrench in his whole story. I think

898
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 7: people really did want to believe. Now it's like, well,

899
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 7: what are you not telling the truth about now? Like,

900
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 7: and I really trust your whole story of redemption, And

901
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 7: I think it's going to make the race tougher than

902
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 7: it needs to be. It's the kind of thing that

903
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 7: it's hard to kind of defend. There are some just

904
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 7: politicians that are like that, where it's just like even

905
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 7: if you're just like a hardcore partisan, Like it's hard

906
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 7: like to make an elevator pitch for her without just

907
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 7: kind of gesturing it like national implications.

908
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 2: So talk to me.

909
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: Let's just get through the rest of the map here Alaska,

910
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: Dan Sullivan, Does Mary Patola have a chance.

911
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 7: Absolutely. I would say she's probably the most well positioned

912
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 7: to flip that seat because she has won state wide

913
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 7: in that state, like in very recent memory.

914
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: And the polls show her in good stead.

915
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 7: She's like close to fifty percent.

916
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,959
Speaker 2: Flarna Venman versus Ashley Moody.

917
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 7: Tell me, now, it's like Flora is just always getting redder,

918
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 7: even with hispanics reverting and everything, it's just always more

919
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:55,959
Speaker 7: muted there.

920
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: Josh Turik for Iowa, I.

921
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 7: Think that's achievable, but is on a different tier than Texas, Alaska, Ohio.

922
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 7: Really like i it's slightly more difficult.

923
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: And that's the Joni Armed seat. He's running against an

924
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 1: appointed candidate.

925
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, Ashley, No, she's not appointed. She's a Bernst is

926
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 7: a serving her turnout. He's running against the representative from

927
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 7: the northeast corner of the state, who is a I

928
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 7: think a decent electoral performer. I think she's done on

929
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 7: her races. And that was kind of a safe for

930
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 7: them because Ernst has had a big popularity decline since

931
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 7: she was the big rising star in twenty fourteen, and

932
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 7: she had that whole scandal while she said, well, everybody's

933
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 7: going to die some day, so we can your healthcare. Yeah,

934
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 7: So they forced her out of the race after that.

935
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 7: And it's a bit trickier the guberatorial level in Iowa.

936
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Speaker 7: And this is a really fascinating undercovered story. The democrat

937
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 7: running there. The state autograph is currently leading by a lot,

938
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 7: and he's facing like this.

939
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 2: We interviewed him Rob saying, oh, yeah, yeah, he's going

940
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Speaker 2: to do that. He's phenomenal. What I don't know. A

941
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. He is just a great candidate.

942
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: He's running away ahead, got more money from Rapaul and Democrats.

943
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he said that. He's he's an exceptional candidate.

944
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 7: He's really gone full throttle into like the kind of

945
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 7: cross partisan appeal, like in a way that like I

946
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 7: think represents a real commitment to that. He won his

947
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 7: race as auditor in twenty twenty two when it was

948
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 7: not a good year for Iowa Democrats. He's won statewide before.

949
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 7: They're like Republicans like of the state Capitol, like jokingly

950
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 7: calling him mister governor because like he's seeing it's such

951
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 7: a strong candidate that race. But the issue with that

952
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 7: is that you'd hope for coattails there for the Senate race.

953
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 7: But he's running a very non partisan campaign, basically disavowing

954
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 7: his own party and so like he's giving people a

955
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 7: permission structure to back Hinton and him at the same

956
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 7: time that's what he wants. So you'd have to that one.

957
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 7: You kind of have to have a very blue year

958
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 7: to win. I think Turk it looks like a fine candidate.

959
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 7: He does have the kind of Schumer connections that I

960
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 7: don't think will make him like exceptional, but he's supposed to.

961
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 2: He is. He does have spina buff and drags his

962
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 2: own story, very compelling story.

963
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it's a it's a different it's not like

964
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 7: an idiot thing that would be like a really good

965
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 7: night if that happened.

966
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 1: Okay, Montana, this is a story that makes me furious.

967
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, this sucks.

968
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Steve Danes decides at the last minute not

969
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: to run. He puts in his chief of staff, Kurt Almey.

970
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: We have a third party candidate who was the president

971
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: of the university, who was absolutely could theoretically win. And

972
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: then we have a Democrat who will not drop out.

973
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, Tester and like who like the former senator who

974
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 7: like lostet Bonnor. Yeah, so like testers are trying to

975
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 7: get him to be the guy, and the main Democrats

976
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 7: are just trying to keep controller they're own parochial little thing.

977
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 7: It's it's this awful kind of Montana is part of

978
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 7: this tier of states that are in this kind of

979
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 7: awful position where like they're just they're so red that

980
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 7: like the best way you can think about winning there

981
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 7: is by running an independent. But they're just blue enough

982
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 7: that the state parties don't want to give up their control.

983
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 7: So like Iowa, be like even Ohio, would all be

984
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 7: states where like you would probably want to consider running

985
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 7: an independent. And if they can like get the kind

986
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 7: of crossover appeal that like uh Dan Osborne or an

987
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 7: Evan McMullen got in the past, they would like probably

988
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 7: would be in a very good position. But the issue

989
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 7: is is that like democratic state parties are only really

990
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 7: mature enough to admit that they do need to get

991
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 7: behind it independent in states like Nebraska and Utah where

992
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 7: it's so red that they know that they don't really

993
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 7: have a chance. So like it's just Montana, Iowa, Ohio

994
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 7: of are in this kind of bad middle ground where

995
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 7: like just the parties just like they have such a

996
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 7: small five percent chance of maybe winning that like they

997
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 7: just don't want to give up their power. And it's

998
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 7: it's very unfortunate. It's the type of thing that makes

999
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 7: people not take Democrats seriously. And when they say we're

1000
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 7: in a constitutional crisis, because if you're in a constitutional crisis.

1001
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 7: You don't give a shit about your ballot line. That's

1002
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 7: just not serious.

1003
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 2: Josh, this is so interesting. Thank you, thank you for

1004
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 2: joining us.

1005
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 7: I'll just do a ranking. There are the big three Senate.

1006
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 2: Sees that, yeah, just give us the big spray.

1007
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, Alaska, Ohio, Texas Democrats assuming they win Maine. In

1008
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 7: North Carolina got to win two of three to get

1009
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 7: a fifty one seat majority. Peltola I think is the

1010
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 7: best position. Brown's second best, Tall Rico third best. But

1011
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 7: they all have good, good chances.

1012
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 2: You really think tall Rico has a real chance.

1013
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, I do. Yeah, wow, there's a bit. The Hispanic

1014
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 7: reversion has been very very big.

1015
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, super interesting. Thank you, thank you, thank you, Josh, thank.

1016
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 7: You, thank you for having me on.

1017
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 6: No moment.

1018
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 4: Jesse Cannon so Molly, I'm starting to think Maha was

1019
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 4: a grift for RFK to get rich.

1020
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 6: Can I ask you something? Do you know about Crodam?

1021
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: Actually, because you know I'm sober a long time, I

1022
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: heard somebody who relapsed on Crodham.

1023
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 6: This is funny.

1024
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 4: I had a friend who relapsed from sobriety of thirteen

1025
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 4: years on Crodom. They sell it two doors down for

1026
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 4: me there's a big sign in the window that says

1027
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 4: Crodham in Christmas sponts Mary Mary. Yes, yes, So for

1028
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 4: those listeners who don't know, Cradam is one of those

1029
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 4: drugs that has eluded our regulations because we don't like

1030
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 4: to update our drug regulations for science.

1031
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 6: So what happens fools Russian?

1032
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 2: Right.

1033
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: And this is from a great piece, by the way,

1034
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: in the New York Times, a really great investigative piece

1035
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: from your friend and mine Ken Vogel.

1036
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 6: Yep.

1037
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 4: So the point being you'll be shocked to hear RFK

1038
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 4: got in and got some money on Credum prospering. Some

1039
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 4: of the things you see from credom is people having

1040
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 4: extremely extremely bad crashouts, addictions, staying up too long, displaying

1041
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 4: psychosis from it.

1042
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 6: Lots of fun stuff like that.

1043
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is interesting to me. I wonder what the

1044
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: high is from kradam. People say it can kill pain

1045
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: or boost energy. You know, it's a good drug because

1046
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: it's sold in gas stations.

1047
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, what a lot of people like it for as

1048
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 4: if they're like trying to code something. If they're trying

1049
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 4: to you know, for example, my friend talked about how

1050
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 4: they want to finish their album, so they just stayed

1051
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,439
Speaker 4: up using it how to Go Well.

1052
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 6: I haven't heard the album yet.

1053
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 2: Anyway.

1054
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: The point of this story is that these people do

1055
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: not care about health. They care about making money for themselves,

1056
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: and so you know they're anti vacs, but everything that

1057
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: they say should be undermined by the fact that they

1058
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 1: don't really care about people's health and they just care

1059
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: about making money. Yep, that's it for this episode of

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1061
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1064
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