Speaker 1: It's September twentieth, nineteen sixty three. A man in a
Speaker 1: dark suit walks into a post office in al Paso, Texas,
Speaker 1: emails three registered letters, then strolls across the street and
Speaker 1: enters the State National Bank. He approaches the teller and
Speaker 1: asks for one hundred dollars in American Express travelers checks.
Speaker 1: As the teller works on his request, the man in
Speaker 1: the dark suit pulls out a forty five caliber revolver
Speaker 1: and fires two shots into the ceiling of the bank.
Speaker 1: As people duck for cover. The man casually exits the bank.
Speaker 1: An off duty police officer named Jim Bundron, who is
Speaker 1: in the vicinity. Here's the shots.
Speaker 2: Believe it or not.
Speaker 3: I was on my day off, that's Officer Bundron.
Speaker 4: I heard the shots. Everybody was just, you know, just shocked. Right,
Speaker 4: says where is he and what's he wearing? And he
Speaker 4: said in a blue suit, white shirt, red tie. Evidently
Speaker 4: he had run out of the bank with a gun
Speaker 4: in his hand. And I know he couldn't have gotten
Speaker 4: that far ahead of it, right, And this car pulls
Speaker 4: out of the alley. Then I could see his face
Speaker 4: was flushed. I could see the white shirt red tie
Speaker 4: and I just I drew and he didn't say anything.
Speaker 1: Officer Bunden arrests him, and as he's being handcuffed, the
Speaker 1: man in the dark suit invites the officer to look
Speaker 1: into the trunk of his car. The officer carefully opens
Speaker 1: the trunk and in it he finds a bizarre collection
Speaker 1: of cameras, photos, and documents.
Speaker 2: He had a real small minulti camera I think in
Speaker 2: the loser probably called a spy. Came right and he
Speaker 2: had his own processing with him. I searched his car
Speaker 2: and he had pictures of top secret restricted areas, pictures
Speaker 2: of inside of compounds, had a lot of pictures of
Speaker 2: dead bodies.
Speaker 5: The man in the dark suit is Richard case Nagel.
Speaker 3: That's Dick Russell. Richard case Nagel is a former US
Speaker 3: Army veteran, three times Purple Heart recipient, intelligence officer and
Speaker 3: CIA operative.
Speaker 5: Nagel's arrested and charged with attempted bank robbery.
Speaker 4: And then there is a preliminary here. I sat and
Speaker 4: just talked to him. It's like you and I were talking,
Speaker 4: and he says, well on a graduate company. He says,
Speaker 4: I really don't want to be in Dallas. I said, well,
Speaker 4: what do you mean by that? He says, you'll want
Speaker 4: him there.
Speaker 1: Nagel was arrested on September twentieth, nineteen sixty three, two
Speaker 1: months before President Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas.
Speaker 3: This is who killed JFK Sixty years later? What can
Speaker 3: we uncover about the greatest murder mystery in American history?
Speaker 3: And why does it still matter today? I'm your host,
Speaker 3: Solidad O'Brien.
Speaker 1: Now, last episode, we took you through Oswald's bizarre return
Speaker 1: to the United States. We met his CIA connected babysitters,
Speaker 1: George de Moornshield and Ruth Payne, who were tasked with
Speaker 1: looking out for him. We discussed the time that Oswald
Speaker 1: spent in New Orleans, where he was arrested for handing
Speaker 1: out pro castro leaflets. We also introduced you to the
Speaker 1: CIA's head of counter intelligence, James Jesus Angleton and his
Speaker 1: Wilderness of mirrors. Angleton was known as the Poet's Spy,
Speaker 1: and he was obsessed with removing Castro from Cuba. Now,
Speaker 1: it's important to keep all that in mind as.
Speaker 6: We move forward.
Speaker 3: So what comes next?
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 1: In New Orleans in the summer of nineteen sixty three,
Speaker 1: while handing out the leaflets for the Fair Play for
Speaker 1: Cuba Committee, Oswald gets into a fight with a bunch
Speaker 1: of anti Castro activists. He's arrested, and the first thing
Speaker 1: he does is request to speak to an FBI agent.
Speaker 1: On September twenty fifth, the White House announces that the
Speaker 1: President will be visiting Dallas in November. Then we start
Speaker 1: to see a swell of covert activity. Chess pieces are
Speaker 1: being moved around the board. Richard case Nagel, the man
Speaker 1: in the dark suit who shot two bullets into the
Speaker 1: ceiling of the bank. He's going to give us insight
Speaker 1: into how all this covert activity will lead us to
Speaker 1: a history changing event.
Speaker 3: So Dick explain to us who is Richard K. S.
Speaker 7: Nagel.
Speaker 5: Nagel was a decorated veteran, a Bronze Star medal winner,
Speaker 5: and a former intelligence officer. As we mentioned earlier, he
Speaker 5: first met Oswald in Japan, where they were tasked to
Speaker 5: try to recruit a Soviet officer to defect.
Speaker 3: So how did you firm encounter Nakel?
Speaker 5: I first heard about him from another JFK researcher in
Speaker 5: the nineteen seventies. I was intrigued hearing about this Bronze
Speaker 5: Star medal recipient that claimed to have known Oswald, So
Speaker 5: I did some research. I went to El Paso, where
Speaker 5: he was arrested for the so called bank robbery. I
Speaker 5: went through the newspaper and court files.
Speaker 6: There.
Speaker 5: There were both Secret Service and FBI files saying that
Speaker 5: he requested quote to speak to a Secret Service agent
Speaker 5: about an urgent matter the afternoon of the assassination. I
Speaker 5: knew I'd stumbled onto something, so I found out where
Speaker 5: he lived. I traveled to Manhattan Beach in southern California,
Speaker 5: and I just knocked on the door and this shadowy
Speaker 5: figure with a scar across his face opens the door
Speaker 5: and asked me what I wanted. I told him I'd
Speaker 5: come all the way from New York to interview him.
Speaker 5: After an uncomfortable silence, he let me in and once
Speaker 5: we sat down, I asked if I could tape him,
Speaker 5: and he looked at me and said no, but I'm
Speaker 5: going to tape you. So he turned on his tape
Speaker 5: recorder started to talk, and he spoke cryptically, but it
Speaker 5: was about knowing Oswald and that had been involved in
Speaker 5: the assassination. For some reason, he seemed to trust me,
Speaker 5: so we agreed to meet again, this time at a
Speaker 5: CD dive bar because he was aware that his movements
Speaker 5: were being tracked, and he was there that he told
Speaker 5: me that what he knew about the assassination had ruined
Speaker 5: his life.
Speaker 3: The two continued to meet for fifteen years, and eventually,
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety two, Dick published his eight hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty four page book about Nagel, called The Man Who
Speaker 3: Knew Too Much. So take me back to where this
Speaker 3: all started.
Speaker 5: For Nagel in Japan in nineteen fifty seven and nineteen
Speaker 5: fifty eight, Nagel was working for a top secret army
Speaker 5: intelligence unit that was closely connected to the CIA. It
Speaker 5: was called Field Operations Intelligence, or FOI.
Speaker 3: The American public didn't know that FOI existed until Nagel
Speaker 3: described its mission in a nineteen seventy four court document.
Speaker 3: He said it was quote a covert extension of CIA
Speaker 3: policy and activity designed to conceal the true nature of
Speaker 3: CIA objectives. He then went on to say, quote, in
Speaker 3: the event I was apprehended, killed, or compromised during the
Speaker 3: performance of my illegal FOI duties, the Department of the
Speaker 3: Army would publicly disclaim any knowledge of or connection with
Speaker 3: such duties.
Speaker 5: In the early sixties, when Nagel came back to the
Speaker 5: United States, Cuba had become the focus of American intelligence.
Speaker 5: The CIA gave Nagel the assignment of renouncing his American
Speaker 5: citizenship and approaching Soviet intelligence to offer his services, much
Speaker 5: like they'd done with Oswald, and the Soviets then recruited
Speaker 5: him for their own intelligence.
Speaker 3: Gathering, so he became a double agent.
Speaker 5: Correct The Soviets gave him two missions, one penetrate a
Speaker 5: violent group of anti Castro Cuban exiles and two keep
Speaker 5: an eye on Lee Harvey Oswald, who had just returned
Speaker 5: to America.
Speaker 3: And were those two missions related.
Speaker 5: At first, there was no relationship between Oswald and that
Speaker 5: particular group of Cuban exiles, But in the summer of
Speaker 5: nineteen sixty three, Nagel went to New Orleans and that's
Speaker 5: where he was reconnected with Oswald. He learned that Oswald
Speaker 5: was being brought into plans that he didn't fully understand,
Speaker 5: and that plots to assassinate Kennedy were being discussed. Oswald
Speaker 5: was being primed to be the fall guy, but the Soviets,
Speaker 5: who had become fully aware of these plans. Didn't want
Speaker 5: Kennedy killed, and they didn't want Oswald to be blamed.
Speaker 5: They knew it would be pinned on them or Cuba
Speaker 5: and could trigger a nuclear war.
Speaker 3: So what did the Soviets want Nagel to do?
Speaker 5: They wanted him to take Oswald out.
Speaker 3: You mean to kill him?
Speaker 5: Yes, they wanted him to take Oswald out.
Speaker 3: You mean to kill him?
Speaker 6: Yes.
Speaker 5: Nagel was trapped. His loyalty was to the United States.
Speaker 5: He knew he couldn't do it, but he also knew
Speaker 5: that if he ignored the orders from the KGB, they
Speaker 5: would take him out.
Speaker 3: Talk about between a rock and a hard place. So
Speaker 3: what does he do?
Speaker 5: First? He tried to warn Oswald that he was being used, So.
Speaker 3: Walk me through that. How did he warn him?
Speaker 5: He meets with Oswald in Jackson Square in New Orleans
Speaker 5: and tries to explain to him that the group of
Speaker 5: Cuban exiles he's been associated with are not who they
Speaker 5: say they are, and that he is being used by
Speaker 5: extreme fascist elements to attempt an assassination on Kennedy in
Speaker 5: order to justify invading Cuba. Nagel told me that when
Speaker 5: Oswald heard this, he was quote visibly shaken, but denied
Speaker 5: there'd been any discussion about killing Kennedy and just shrugged
Speaker 5: him off. Nagel knew that when he he couldn't convince Oswald,
Speaker 5: his life would be at risk, so he figured the
Speaker 5: safest place for him was to be in prison. He
Speaker 5: told me that just before shooting up the bank, he
Speaker 5: mailed a registered letter to Jay ed Garhover detailing what
Speaker 5: he knew about the assassination plot, and sent another warning
Speaker 5: letter to his handlers in the CIA. Then, to back
Speaker 5: up his story, he placed a notebook in his car
Speaker 5: that contained information that only someone on the inside would
Speaker 5: have had. Several of the notations were virtually identical to
Speaker 5: what the authorities later found among Oswalt's possessions. They both
Speaker 5: had small Minolta spy cameras, they both had leaflets for
Speaker 5: the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, and they both had
Speaker 5: the same unlisted phone number for the Cuban embassy in
Speaker 5: Mexico City.
Speaker 3: Did getting arrested save him?
Speaker 5: It kept him alive for a while, but it ended
Speaker 5: up ruining his life. He was in prison for four
Speaker 5: and a half years, part of which he spent in
Speaker 5: a psych ward. That's how they began to build out
Speaker 5: an nerve that he was nuts.
Speaker 3: So, as a person who's interviewing him because you're writing
Speaker 3: your book, how do you navigate that question of his credibility?
Speaker 3: How do you decide you know what's true?
Speaker 5: First you assess the existing evidence, which means Nagle's notebook,
Speaker 5: the fact that he had an ID card for Oswald
Speaker 5: showing up in his lawyer's files, and the newspaper accounts
Speaker 5: of his trial in El Paso where he tried to
Speaker 5: bring up Oswald and the assassination. Second, interview as many
Speaker 5: people as possible who knew him, and I found many
Speaker 5: who attested to his background and credibility. A couple of these,
Speaker 5: Jim Garrison and attorney Bernard Finsterwald Junior, told me Nagel
Speaker 5: was the most important living witness to what happened on
Speaker 5: November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. And I realized that
Speaker 5: the powers behind the cover up were determined to marginalize
Speaker 5: him first paint him as crazy. Then after he got
Speaker 5: out of prison, the CIA tracked his movements and there
Speaker 5: were a number of attempts on his life.
Speaker 3: How long were you in contact with him?
Speaker 5: I met with him periodically for more than twenty years,
Speaker 5: and during that time, I saw a man who was torn.
Speaker 5: He wanted to come clean, to reveal what he knew,
Speaker 5: but he knew that if he told everything, he'd be killed.
Speaker 5: So he would drop hints to steer me in the
Speaker 5: right direction.
Speaker 3: Like deep Throat in Watergate.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: And at one point he told me that if anything
Speaker 5: happened to him, there was a record of everything he
Speaker 5: knew that he kept stored in various locations and that
Speaker 5: only certain people were aware of And he believed that's
Speaker 5: what kept him alive.
Speaker 3: So he did manage to stay alive.
Speaker 6: For a while.
Speaker 5: Then, in nineteen ninety five, when the Assassination Record's Review
Speaker 5: Board was doing its investigation, they heard me talk about
Speaker 5: Nagel at a conference and decided that they wanted to
Speaker 5: interview him on the data. Subpoena arrived at his apartment,
Speaker 5: Nagel was found dead.
Speaker 3: So you believe that Nagel was killed before he could talk.
Speaker 5: Let me answer that this way. When I called his
Speaker 5: son to tell him about his father, his son told
Speaker 5: me that his apartment had just been broken into and
Speaker 5: was ransacked. Then he told me about his key his
Speaker 5: dad had left in his apartment to a storage unit
Speaker 5: in Tucson, and that in that storage unit was a
Speaker 5: purple trunk which contained a material his father had kept
Speaker 5: hidden for years. When he heard what had happened to
Speaker 5: his dad, Nagel's son flew to Tucson to check the
Speaker 5: storage unit. He opened it up, looked inside, and the
Speaker 5: only thing missing was the purple trunk. So was Nagel
Speaker 5: killed before he could talk?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I believe he was.
Speaker 6: And he wasn't the only one.
Speaker 3: What happened to Nagel happened to others.
Speaker 1: Remember George de mornshieldt Oswald's babysitter in Dallas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you said. The last time he talked about the
Speaker 3: assassination was in an interview he did with a journalist
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy seven. What happened after that?
Speaker 1: A little over a decade after testifying to the Warren
Speaker 1: Commission that Oswald had acted alone, De Mornshield decided he
Speaker 1: was going to tell the truth about what he knew.
Speaker 1: So he wrote a manuscript titled I'm a Patsy. I'm
Speaker 1: a Patsy, which was later published posthumously as a book
Speaker 1: titled Lee Harvey Oswald As I knew him.
Speaker 5: When de Mornshield started to go public. The House Select
Speaker 5: Committee decided to summon him. De Morshild was living in
Speaker 5: Florida at the time, not far from Gayton Phonsie.
Speaker 3: Remember Gayton Phonsie is a journalist who challenged Arlen Spector
Speaker 3: on the single bullet theory. At the time, Phonsie was
Speaker 3: working as an investigator for the committee.
Speaker 1: Fonsie goes to De Moornshild's house to talk to him.
Speaker 1: He isn't home, so he leaves his business card with
Speaker 1: Demarnshild's adult daughter. He tells her he'll be calling later
Speaker 1: that night to set a time for a formal questioning.
Speaker 1: And so when de Marshall arrives home, his daughter tells
Speaker 1: him about Phonsie's visit gives him fan He's business card.
Speaker 1: The Mornschell puts the card in his pocket, goes upstairs,
Speaker 1: and the next morning he's found dead with a bullet
Speaker 1: in his head, with Pansie's business card still in his pocket.
Speaker 5: They said he'd committed suicide, but his wife told me
Speaker 5: it was definitely not a suicide, and Nagel told me
Speaker 5: the same thing, that he was murdered before he could testify.
Speaker 1: There was also mob boss Johnny Rizselli right before he
Speaker 1: was supposed to testify, he was found chopped up, stuffed
Speaker 1: into an oil drum, and dumped into Biscayne Bay. There
Speaker 1: were a number of people who died mysteriously. Within three
Speaker 1: years after the Warren Commission report was released, eighteen key
Speaker 1: witnesses died of either a heart attack, an accident, or suicide.
Speaker 1: Something that has always fascinated me is the people who
Speaker 1: were tangentially involved but managed to survive, like Ruth Payne.
Speaker 3: Like Ruth Payne, You'll remember Ruth Payne as one of
Speaker 3: the CIA connected people who became close with the Oswald
Speaker 3: family when they returned to the US.
Speaker 1: On September twenty fifth, the White House formally announces that
Speaker 1: the President will be taking a tour through Texas, stopping
Speaker 1: at Dallas on November twenty second. That same week, Marina
Speaker 1: accepts Ruth Payne's invitation to have her and her baby
Speaker 1: move in with her in Dallas. Then, in early October,
Speaker 1: six weeks before the assassination, Oswald returns to Dallas, takes
Speaker 1: a room at a boarding house, and gets a job
Speaker 1: in a building position directly along what will be President
Speaker 1: Kennedy's motorcave route. And who do you think helped him
Speaker 1: get that job. Ruth Painne, Ruth Payne.
Speaker 3: There are so many pieces to this picture.
Speaker 1: And sixty years later, pieces are still falling into place.
Speaker 3: So Rob, where do you go from here? Nearly five
Speaker 3: thousand records remain withheld. Do you think that in those
Speaker 3: records is one piece of evidence that details the whole plot?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 6: I don't, I really I don't.
Speaker 5: The CIA most likely destroyed anything. It would be obviously
Speaker 5: groundbreaking decades ago.
Speaker 3: So then what you're both saying is that in all
Speaker 3: the remaining records, there's no smoking gun.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything left that would be considered
Speaker 1: a smoking gun the way we think of it. The
Speaker 1: closest thing we have to a smoking gun is a
Speaker 1: document that the Pentagon kept secret for almost forty years.
Speaker 1: This document outlined a plan called Operation Northwoods.
Speaker 3: The Joint chiefs of Staff drafted Operation Northwoods in nineteen
Speaker 3: sixty two. It remained a secret until decades later, when
Speaker 3: it was quietly declassified in compliance with the JFK Records Act.
Speaker 3: But even after the document was declassified, the plan didn't
Speaker 3: reach the public until two thousand and one, when the
Speaker 3: investigative reporter James Bamford revealed the full details in his
Speaker 3: book Body of Secrets. He calls Operation Northwoods quote what
Speaker 3: may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the
Speaker 3: US government. Here's Jefferson Morley.
Speaker 7: Operation Northwoods is one of the most significant revelations about
Speaker 7: the JFK assassination to come out in the last twenty
Speaker 7: five years.
Speaker 1: Operation Northwoods pose this question, what if something were to
Speaker 1: happen that would convince the American public that the US
Speaker 1: had to invade Cuba, something that would force America's hand.
Speaker 7: Well, stage a violent incident on a prominent target in
Speaker 7: the United States, and we'll all arrange for it to
Speaker 7: look like Castro did it. North Woods was what people
Speaker 7: in the intelligence business call a pretext operation, where you
Speaker 7: create a pretext for an action, or sometimes called a
Speaker 7: false flag operation.
Speaker 1: When you hear the terms false flag or conspiracy theory,
Speaker 1: you think of people wearing tinfoil hats. But the US
Speaker 1: government has had a history of false flag operations. In
Speaker 1: eighteen ninety eight, the sinking of the USS Maine got
Speaker 1: us into the Spanish American War.
Speaker 3: The USS Maine was a US battleship that mysteriously exploded
Speaker 3: in Havana, Cuba in eighteen ninety eight. Remember the main
Speaker 3: was the famous rallying cry after the press claim that
Speaker 3: Spain was to blame for the explosion which killed two
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty eight sailors. When the government declared war
Speaker 3: on Spain, they had the overwhelming support from the American public,
Speaker 3: and that's how the Spanish American War started.
Speaker 1: There was also the firing on US ships in the
Speaker 1: Gulf of Tonkin in August of nineteen sixty four, which
Speaker 1: got US into the Vietnam War, and in two thousand
Speaker 1: and three, the assertion that Iraq had weapons of mass
Speaker 1: destruction was used to justify the invasion of Iraq. False
Speaker 1: Flags and disinformation can be very effective tools to rally
Speaker 1: public support. This is in the actual Operation Northwoods document.
Speaker 3: Here's what it says. The Joint Chiefs of Staff have
Speaker 3: considered the attached memorandum for the pretexts which would provide
Speaker 3: justification for US military intervention in Cuba.
Speaker 7: The north Woods plans were very detailed. Will fake the
Speaker 7: hijacking of a plane, and we'll take the plane somewhere
Speaker 7: and we'll say that Castro did it understand?
Speaker 1: People who would die on that plane would be American citizens.
Speaker 5: This phrase is actually written into the north Woods plan.
Speaker 5: Quote casualty lists in the US newspapers would cause a
Speaker 5: helpful wave of national indignation.
Speaker 3: Basically killing American citizens. That's astounding.
Speaker 1: A hijacked plane wasn't the only option. Operation Northwoods lists
Speaker 1: eleven other ideas for quote well coordinated incidents that would
Speaker 1: look credible, including sinking ships and burning aircrafts. There's one
Speaker 1: more part that I'd like you to read.
Speaker 3: Okay, Here's what it says. The desired result from the
Speaker 3: execution of this plan would be to place the United
Speaker 3: States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from
Speaker 3: a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba, and to develop
Speaker 3: an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in
Speaker 3: the Western Hemisphere.
Speaker 1: Operation Northwoods was kept hidden from the Warrant Commission and
Speaker 1: the House Select Committee. It was only declassified in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety seven.
Speaker 3: Did Kennedy know about Operation Northwoods?
Speaker 6: Kennedy knew about it.
Speaker 3: What was Kennedy's response?
Speaker 7: He rejected it in pretty brusque, almost rude terms.
Speaker 1: But on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, a spectacular
Speaker 1: attack on a US target occurred and the immediate response
Speaker 1: was to blame Cuba. November twenty second, the day President
Speaker 1: Kennedy was murdered.
Speaker 3: So you're saying the plan that President Kennedy rejected was
Speaker 3: the plan they used to kill him.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: It was a violent act against the prominent American target,
Speaker 1: and they had their allegedly pro Castro assassin, Lee Harvey
Speaker 1: Oswald to take the blame.
Speaker 7: And so that's what happens. Within hours of Kennedy's assassination,
Speaker 7: Oswald is arrested and CIA propaganda assets go to work
Speaker 7: to link him immediately to the Castro government, and those
Speaker 7: efforts are quite successful. We have the headlines the next day,
Speaker 7: pro Castro marksman kills the President, pro Cuban assassin.
Speaker 3: Robert Blakey, former Chief counsel and staff director of the
Speaker 3: House Select Committee on Assassinations, told us something similar.
Speaker 8: If what happened is what I think happened, I think
Speaker 8: that Lee Harvey Oswell was developed as a false flag assassiny.
Speaker 3: On the next episode of Who Killed JFK.
Speaker 5: President Kennedy had alienated much of the US establishments by
Speaker 5: the time he was killed in Dallas.
Speaker 3: We looked directly at our three main suspects.
Speaker 8: That Miami Cia Field Office is more or less the
Speaker 8: puppeteers of this whole operation.
Speaker 7: I asked my mom where's Papa, and she said he's
Speaker 7: in Dallas on business.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you there's no way in hell that it
Speaker 2: could not have been a conspiracy.
Speaker 3: Who killed JFK is hosted by Rob Reiner and me
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