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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and for stuff I

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Speaker 1: never told your production. iHeart radio.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this episode, listeners has a lot. So I

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Speaker 2: have a lot of emotions and feelings right now, and

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Speaker 2: as the administration continues to attack the citizens and residents

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Speaker 2: as if they're you know, not human, it's been hard

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Speaker 2: to work out these emotions and feelings. So since I

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Speaker 2: I would try to work them out with you Annie

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Speaker 2: and our listeners.

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Speaker 1: Thank you listeners.

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Speaker 3: Yes, wouldn't do this as a journey content warning.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is about world issues, racism, death, immigration, all

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Speaker 2: the things, even adoption. I put a little sprinkle of

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Speaker 2: adoption stuff in here, and I'm gonna times it is

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Speaker 2: October ninth, twenty twenty five. I had to like at

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Speaker 2: a calendar because days, what are the days? I thought

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Speaker 2: same time I thought it was, you know, August.

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Speaker 1: What is this temporal distortion? We did an episode on it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but all that to say, it's today's October ninth,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. And I swear to God, this really

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Speaker 2: has been the longest year ever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been quite long.

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Speaker 2: But with that, again, we talk about all kinds of

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Speaker 2: on Asian topics. And though we're going to use sources

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Speaker 2: know that, yes, again peppered with my opinions, this is

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Speaker 3: And there's a lot of research.

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Speaker 2: Again we won't talking about that, and a lot of stats,

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Speaker 2: but I do have thoughts and opinions as an Asian

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Speaker 3: But with all of that, there's a lot of things

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Speaker 2: Asia is a continent, a giant continent, so it's a

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Speaker 2: the history of Asian Americans. It's not something that's taught

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Speaker 3: There was a lot. There was a lot in America.

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Speaker 2: In eighteen eighty two, we had the Chinese Exclusion Act,

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Speaker 1: In eighteen eighty five, the courts allowed for all students

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Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty five, the first Asian American woman and

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Speaker 3: Things are now in a stalemate.

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Speaker 2: And we know one of the favorite things of white

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Speaker 2: that brings us to the model where do you miss?

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Speaker 2: This is what we're talking about. The term was first

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Speaker 2: By the way, anyway, the theory essentially puts one marginalized

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Speaker 2: Which is what we're saying. From a twenty seventeen article

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Speaker 2: the History of Japanese Americans, however, challenges every such generalization.

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Speaker 2: But as history shows, Asian Americans were afforded better jobs,

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Speaker 1: According to a lot of data, Asian immigrants' main reason

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Speaker 2: Interestingly, according to the same research, democrats are more likely

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Speaker 2: Right. One thing that many of the researchers have shown

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Speaker 2: With the crackdown against immigrants, both those who have worked

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Speaker 3: Profits of private equity.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think, just as a reminder, when we have

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Speaker 2: As a reminder. However, this new practice has dented some

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Speaker 2: And I want to put this caveat here because I've

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Speaker 2: still inhumane, just to put that out there. It shouldn't

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Speaker 2: So I want to put that caveat there because I'm

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Speaker 2: But we should be upset that the original narrative was

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Speaker 3: No, they're not. You are a liar.

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Speaker 2: You're putting that same narrative that many conservative white women

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Speaker 2: change that narrative into this when you figured out, oh,

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Speaker 2: I just cost our country billions of dollars, specifically our state,

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Speaker 2: But with all of that, many who were present of

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Speaker 2: They didn't slow down the possibility of opening the plant,

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Speaker 3: By the way, trust us bro. We got you. Oh

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Speaker 2: Many of the SECO fans have argued that the South

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Speaker 2: like a bro promise this time for sure, this time.

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Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no, no, you're you're the

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Speaker 2: good ones. He really did say that. Yes, I hate

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Speaker 2: it here anyway. Governor Kemp of Georgia, who apparently was

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure how that went.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot of oward like photo ops, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yep, there are conversations of lawsuits coming from South Korea

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Speaker 2: So literally they don't care enough to fix it, but

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Speaker 2: they're really still begging them to come. Oh and this

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Speaker 2: So the sentiments within South Korea has been pretty intense.

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Speaker 2: As a country that is all about holding their officials accountable.

442
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 2: They have overthrown and impeached many a precedents successfully, some

443
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: have been assassinated. I don't think that's the citizens, but

444
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 2: just saying they have been quite loud about the treatment

445
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Speaker 2: of their people, and the administration continues to not be

446
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Speaker 2: held accountable for the distress of their people, which is

447
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: why this lawsuit could happen, and it probably should and

448
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 2: would do some major things if it were to go forward.

449
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 2: Of course, the tariffs and trade wars between the US

450
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Speaker 2: and other Asian countries have not made any of this better,

451
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Speaker 2: which not surprising. I have been on South Korean TikTok

452
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Speaker 2: where they are continually making fun of the US of

453
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Speaker 2: Trump and the specific woman in South Georgia like they

454
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Speaker 2: are going after her.

455
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Speaker 3: They're being real mean.

456
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Speaker 2: If you know anything about Korean medicines, their mean so

457
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: and it doesn't help that the administration has made the

458
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Speaker 2: views on Asian Americans less favorable as well. According to

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Speaker 2: the University of Washington, they have an article from the

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Speaker 2: Asian American Foundation, which released a study in May of

461
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five which shows that the US views have

462
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Speaker 2: not been great. So these are some of the key

463
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Speaker 2: findings that they quote. The results reveal a lot regarding

464
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Speaker 2: the perception of Asian Americans in the US, including three

465
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Speaker 2: key findings of Americans think Asian Americans are more loyal

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Speaker 2: to their country of origin than the US, and that's

467
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Speaker 2: double of what it was in twenty twenty one. More

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Speaker 2: than a quarter of Americans are concerned that Chinese Americans

469
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Speaker 2: are a threat to US society, especially when it comes

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Speaker 2: to national security.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, worldwide, it seems that the US

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Speaker 1: may be falling out of face very while China is

473
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Speaker 1: starting to look real good. From some other pe research

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Speaker 1: from July of twenty twenty five, they say this quote.

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Speaker 1: Across twenty four countries Pew Research Center surveyed this spring,

476
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Speaker 1: more people have a positive view of the United States

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Speaker 1: than of China. However, this gap is closing as views

478
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Speaker 1: of the US have become more negative while views of

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Speaker 1: China have turned more positive.

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Speaker 2: Right, so the increasing amount, like in percentage wise, is

481
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: changing pretty quickly, and they are starting to see China

482
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: as possibly the better power or more power, especially when

483
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: it comes to technology, in trade, and in labor, which

484
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 2: is really scary for so many reasons, because neither China

485
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 2: or the US are great. Let's just be very very clear.

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Speaker 2: They list Israel as one of the countries who definitely

487
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: favor US over China. But countries like Mexico, Canada, Indonesia

488
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 2: and several others they seem to be going in their

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Speaker 2: favorability to China.

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Speaker 3: Mexico and Canada. I feel like that's explanatory.

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Speaker 4: No Ah, I mean, everybody's everybody's suffering from what's happening

492
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Speaker 4: in the United States right now, really, I mean mostly,

493
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Speaker 4: but Mexico and Canada. I do feel a particular I'm

494
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Speaker 4: so sorry, to be fair.

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Speaker 3: Like our administration have threatened war when both.

496
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Speaker 4: Of them living with a roommate has a disorder where

497
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Speaker 4: every four years they completely.

498
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Speaker 3: They're like, we're gonna take you what right now?

499
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Speaker 2: So, I mean, I don't think that that's not too surprising.

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Speaker 2: I will say, from what we can gather, many of

501
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Speaker 2: the Asian areas are.

502
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Speaker 3: All about China.

503
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Speaker 2: That is increased as once upon a time that wasn't

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Speaker 2: the case. So yes, with the likes of blaming Asian

505
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: people for cod and the rise of Asian hate, it

506
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: isn't hard to see that within the Asian communities there's

507
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 2: also some divisiveness. I mean, obviously, when we have this

508
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: conversation about the republic Democrats of voting split, like the

509
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 2: fact that it's so close is upsetting in itself. But

510
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: something that has been annoying the hell out of me

511
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: is this conversation of the Oxford Study. So for those

512
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: of you who have never heard of it, and I

513
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: wish I was you, I wish I was you, we're

514
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: going to talk about the study. So in the study,

515
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: this specific quote, which is being used a lot more

516
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 2: so in TikTok than anywhere else. I think it has

517
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: now gone over to Instagram and such is loosely referencing

518
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: a study completed in twenty ten that was titled the

519
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: New Susie Wong Narrative Assumptions of White Male and Asian

520
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: Female Relationships and these were done by Asian women, I

521
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: believe so from Joysauce dot com quote. This study examines

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Speaker 2: Roman Antico relationships between white men and Asian women using

523
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Speaker 2: the context set by the nineteen sixty film The World

524
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Speaker 2: of Suzie Wong. According to the study, is generally believed

525
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Speaker 2: that this film set the stereotypical standard of naive subservience

526
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Speaker 2: paired with hypersexuality that follows Asian women in Western world,

527
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Speaker 2: especially when in relation to the white men that seek

528
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Speaker 2: them out. Essentially, it was a report about fetishizing of

529
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Speaker 2: Asian women in the early film industries portrayal of women

530
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Speaker 2: Asian women in again the film industry. The article goes

531
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Speaker 2: on to say this, The study concludes that the stereotypical

532
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Speaker 2: Susie Wong esque representation of Asian females when associated romantically

533
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: with white men has become internalized and normalized. So it's

534
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: talking about the fact that this was really bad, especially

535
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Speaker 2: when we see and portray Asian women, and it still

536
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 2: happens today as being that subservient pretty much male order

537
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: bride conversation. So we're thinking, like, especially with that conversation

538
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: of like war torn world and war made bride, where

539
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 2: the soldier goes overseas to an Asian country, takes a

540
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: wife from bring her back, and because she is so

541
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: out of her realm that all she can do is

542
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: worship the white man. But this has turned into oh,

543
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 2: this is all Asian women. Correct, But as of late,

544
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 2: many have used the term Oxford study as a way

545
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: to denigrate any Asian women who is dating a white person.

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Speaker 2: I will say I have seen people who try to

547
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: use this term in reverse as a reverse Oxford study

548
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: when it's an Asian man with white women that hasn't stuck,

549
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: but I've seen people try it, I will say that,

550
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 2: which is odd because the majority of people using this

551
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: phrase are actually Asian men. Are those who are hiding

552
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: behind a digital Asian mask kind of you know, like

553
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, like pretending they're Asian themselves.

554
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: But this current trend has really shown the persistent need

555
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: to sexualize and fetishize Asian women at the same time

556
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: using it in the most misogynistic ways possible. Literally most

557
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: of the comments are only under Asian women influencers, and

558
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: in the minute they find out that there's a white

559
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 2: person as their partner that is full of it. It

560
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: is completely I will say. They also have added comfort

561
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: women as a term for South Koreans. That is one

562
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: of the most offensive things you could do because the

563
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: history of it is so sensitive and he still has

564
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: yet to be resolved. This with the added out data

565
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: study of how most men prefer Asian women, which again

566
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: is part of the stereotype of Asian women being sexualized

567
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: and phantilized and subjugated.

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00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: Back to the Joysauce article quote TikTok, scholars have been

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Speaker 1: digging into other data from dating apps, including one creator

570
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Speaker 1: who recently did a deep dive into an article published

571
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Speaker 1: by The Daily Mail in twenty thirteen. Amongst the plethora

572
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: of potentially outdated race focused dating app data, this article

573
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: stated that most men prefer Asian women with the exception

574
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Speaker 1: of Asian men. Though both studies are now more than

575
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: ten years old, their impact on the current relationship zeitgeist

576
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: is still holding strong and often encourages misplaced blame for

577
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: the emasculation of Asian men on Asian women. As clearly

578
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: evidenced by the Men's Rights Asians movement, it became clear

579
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Speaker 1: that members of the community see Asian women as playing

580
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: an active role in maintaining the stereotypes placed on Asian men.

581
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Speaker 1: They often contended that choosing non Asian partners means undermining

582
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Speaker 1: and emasculating Asian men, therefore perpetuating white supremacy.

583
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Speaker 3: It's a wonderful form of gaslighting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to be your fault for sure, right.

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Speaker 2: Oh and yeah, we talked a bit about the feminist

586
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: movement in South Korea and the men's rights groups there,

587
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Speaker 2: which have caused a small movement light for b movement

588
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: that has gained a lot of popularity around the world,

589
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: including here in the US, and we're not saying that

590
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: South Korea's FORB movement is the reason for the decline

591
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 2: of the birth rate everywhere. I think it just finally

592
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 2: was named as like, yeah, finally, yeah yeah, okay, yeah,

593
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 2: because we have seen a huge decline in South Korea,

594
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: in Japan, in the US and so many more of

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00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 2: the countries.

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00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 3: Maybe it's Asian women's fault for that too.

597
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 2: Again, the comment is seemingly innocent, but the usage is

598
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 2: poignant and purposeful. From a Guardian article written by Steffi Cow,

599
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: she writes this, the submissive, sexualized perception of Asian women persist.

600
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: They are stereotyped by demeaning depictions of male order brides

601
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,959
Speaker 2: and comfort women, and eroticize in wayfu art misogynistic memes

602
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: about Asian women in interracial relationships about online including Oxford study.

603
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: These are layered comments that show both hate and disdain

604
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: for women who choose to date non Asian men. It's

605
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: something that has to be studied. Is only perpetuates the

606
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: lessening of Asian women's humanity.

607
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: Right back to Cow's article quote, much of this misogyny

608
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: is nurtured within men's rights, Asian MRI Asians groups online

609
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: which organize harassment campaigns towards Asian women who date non

610
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Speaker 1: Asian people. The group's ire stems from another racist stereotype

611
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: with repercussions in the dating realm, that Asian men are

612
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: emasculated and unattractive. Asian men were revealed as one of

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00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: the least swiped on racial groups in a twenty fourteen

614
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Speaker 1: OkCupid report. Much of the recent derogatory language around the

615
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: dating habits of Asian women has been coined in the

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Speaker 1: Mr Asians space. Wmaf or a white male Asian female

617
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: relationship Lou an Asian woman who rejects Asian men in

618
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: favor of white men. Banana ng an Asian woman who

619
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: used today white men but now seeks a relationship with

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Speaker 1: an Asian man.

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Speaker 2: Now with the popularity in the rise of K pop

622
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: and like K dramas, C dramas, jpop, I think things

623
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 2: are probably going to be shifting because they have become

624
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: a new fixation on Asian men, which is wonderful. Again,

625
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 2: this comes back to gas lighting Asian women. That's your

626
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: fault that we don't have a relationship like it is

627
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 2: a new form of insul like it's racial now again.

628
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: I talked about this before when we talked about online dating,

629
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Speaker 2: I rarely got hit on.

630
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 3: By a lot of Asian men. I will say that,

631
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 3: but I.

632
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Speaker 2: Just remember one incident in which the dude, this is

633
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: his way of like trying to get my attention, instead

634
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: of just saying, hey, I like your picture. Hey that's

635
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 2: a cute dog, because I always figured a doll probably,

636
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: But instead he immediately started with I know you're probably

637
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: not gonna come talk to me because you probably date

638
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: only white men, because you won't even give me a chance,

639
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 2: Like that.

640
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 3: Was the amiting the opening.

641
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, well, definitely not gonna talk to

642
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: you now because I'm scared of you, Like I'm immediately scared,

643
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 2: immediately scared. But there is this heaviness to that conversation,

644
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 2: especially when we see Oxford City, like the part that

645
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 2: gets me with people commenting, of course there's trolls. There's

646
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 2: always going to be trolled. It's that level of like

647
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 2: did you even know them? I didn't reject you, I

648
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 2: don't know you.

649
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 3: What is this?

650
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: What is this new level of disdain for someone happy

651
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: in a relationship. And there's a whole different conversation when

652
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: we talk about interracial dating. It may be outlawed soon

653
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 2: because we are seeing a slippery slope of things that

654
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 2: come so in our Asians, You're gonna about to be

655
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 2: real happy.

656
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 3: I guess, I don't know, probably not.

657
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 2: Exactly, but there's so many things in this conversation and

658
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: the amount of times that I have seen the comment

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Speaker 2: Oxford City makes me so angry because it comes back

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Speaker 2: to re stereotyping and dehumanizing Asian women again, which you're like,

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Speaker 2: we would make it so many progressive steps, and now

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Speaker 2: we're back here with just one statement. And yet actually

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Speaker 2: the researchers for the actual Oxford Studies, which has nothing

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Speaker 2: to do with this, necessarily has said like, no, this

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Speaker 2: was never our intent. What is happening. This is actually

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Speaker 2: the opposite of what we wanted. As well as the

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Speaker 2: fact that the origination was some random dude saying there

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Speaker 2: needs to be an Oxford study because he saw a

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Speaker 2: happy couple who was an Asian woman with a white

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Speaker 2: man about women like her. So it wasn't even really

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Speaker 2: in referencing to that study, but there is an absolute

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Speaker 2: belief that is a real study too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels kind of like the Mandela effect for

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Speaker 4: everybody's like, I know, I remember this happened.

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Speaker 3: This is a study what you think it is.

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Speaker 2: Nope, but there's a lot again and so much more

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Speaker 2: in conversation that we talk about. I didn't even talk

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Speaker 2: about the fact that there was plenty of naturalized Asian

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Speaker 2: students who are getting their citizenship revoked based on who

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Speaker 2: they are protesting. For the fact that our naturalization status

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Speaker 2: could be revoked based on whether or not the government

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Speaker 2: thinks that we are a threat. We haven't even talked

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Speaker 2: about the LGBTQ to it all, and how that isn't

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Speaker 2: another layer in this intersectional conversation of what.

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Speaker 3: We see every day.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, the Asian community is a giant community

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Speaker 2: and for us to ignore the things that are happening

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Speaker 2: in the US is absurd. But at the same time

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Speaker 2: I understand for those of us who don't feel stable

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Speaker 2: and are scared are trying to figure out how to

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Speaker 2: best walk this line of trying to seek justice and

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Speaker 2: advocacy versus self preservation or with self preservation us not versus.

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Speaker 2: And in that conversation of like, yes, I'm glad South

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Speaker 2: Korea got a wake up call to understand the US

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Speaker 2: is not about you. But at the same time that

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Speaker 2: it had to get to that model minority conversation in

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Speaker 2: order to see and highlight the awful treatment and inhumane

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Speaker 2: treatment that the US policies have put onto other people.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot, There's a lot. There's so much happening

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Speaker 2: again with this topic alone, and honestly, Annie, I refuse

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Speaker 2: to do a two parter again. I'm trying my best,

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Speaker 2: so we'll end it here, but I fully expect we

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Speaker 2: will have many, many more conversations about this in the future,

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Speaker 2: as long as we have this job.

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