Speaker 1: All my friends on my show, and like, if they
Speaker 1: didn't make me better, I wouldn't have them there because
Speaker 1: I feel like the most authentic version of me is
Speaker 1: what's going to win or lose, and I just want
Speaker 1: that opportunity. All right. Now, time for Part two of
Speaker 1: the Bobby Cast with Phil Becker. We did part one.
Speaker 1: If you missed that, check it out. I mean, this
Speaker 1: dude's so legit, so innovative. I would love to work
Speaker 1: with this guy at some point. I'd love for him
Speaker 1: to hire me, or me hire him, or we hire
Speaker 1: each other, and then we're confused, like the Spider Man meme,
Speaker 1: like so motivating, so great. If you're in media, it
Speaker 1: could be radio, it could be podcasting, it could be
Speaker 1: social media. But at Phil Becker, his podcast is Philosophy
Speaker 1: with Phil Becker, and this is him then turning it
Speaker 1: to me. It's supposed to be one episode, but I
Speaker 1: got a little carried away with the last one. So
Speaker 1: here we go, Episode four forty four, Part two, No
Speaker 1: forty three, it's part one.
Speaker 2: We should make it for forty.
Speaker 3: Four forty four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I'm weird about titling. What how about the sequel?
Speaker 2: You like movies that's a different movie. Yeah, it'd be
Speaker 2: part two.
Speaker 4: Phil.
Speaker 1: No, but like The Avengers, the second one is not
Speaker 1: called The Avenger.
Speaker 2: Same sub Part two.
Speaker 1: Okay, Part one with Phil Becker parentheses, Bobby interviews Phil
Speaker 1: okay four forty four Phil Becker, Phil interviews Bobby.
Speaker 2: Okay, there we go, weirdo.
Speaker 1: Mike has this movie thing where it's got to be
Speaker 1: listed just perfectly. I hope you guys enjoy this.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: If you don't mind, please go and rate, subscribe, whatever
Speaker 1: you can do there.
Speaker 2: It means a lot to us. It actually helps this podcast.
Speaker 1: So thank you very much and enjoy I roback and
Speaker 1: this is part two. I'm Bobby Bones obviously for watching
Speaker 1: this or listen to this on the Bobbycast. I'm with
Speaker 1: Phil Becker, who is a guy that I admire in media,
Speaker 1: who was one of the first people to take my
Speaker 1: radio show when we syndicated within my company, which is
Speaker 1: already a controversial thing from outside of my company, to
Speaker 1: say hey, we want you to come on ours, and
Speaker 1: it what opened the doors to other companies doing that.
Speaker 2: As I said in the.
Speaker 1: Last episode, if I could pay Fill all the money
Speaker 1: in the world, I would pay Fill all the money
Speaker 1: in the world and say, first of all, give me
Speaker 1: half of.
Speaker 2: The back, like quietly.
Speaker 1: But secondly, I just believe in how he does his
Speaker 1: strategy and that's such a vague thing. But his strategy
Speaker 1: is have a strategy, but you can pivot it, you
Speaker 1: can move it. Have try to have an understanding of
Speaker 1: what people want. Try to give it to them as
Speaker 1: long as that's who you are. But that's what I
Speaker 1: take from you.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's great. You get it pretty well.
Speaker 1: And that's a hard and you could say, or anybody
Speaker 1: could say, well, try to give what they want. That's fine,
Speaker 1: but it can that can only be temporary because eventually
Speaker 1: you run out of lines. As an actor, I tried
Speaker 1: that a bit and back in my early days, well
Speaker 1: I'll try to have a big voice, and I just
Speaker 1: get tired and I couldn't do it anymore. But I
Speaker 1: texted Phil and said, hey, I want to do thirty
Speaker 1: minutes with you, but it was did an hour. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: and I said, we can switch it and you can
Speaker 1: ask me questions if you want. You don't have to
Speaker 1: maybe you have nothing to ask me. And he's like, no,
Speaker 1: that sounds great. So now I'm going to hand it
Speaker 1: over to you. The next twenty five minutes will be
Speaker 1: you run in the show?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 2: You okay with that?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think that's okay. I think that's fun.
Speaker 2: It's hard for me to not have to have control,
Speaker 2: but go ahead, all right.
Speaker 5: So I was thinking about the first few things that
Speaker 5: I wanted to go in with you, and I thought
Speaker 5: to myself, I've known you for a long time, but
Speaker 5: do you ever realize that, like you're the guy now?
Speaker 1: Yes, occasionally, but I get afraid and I go to
Speaker 1: therapy about this, that when I feel that I won't
Speaker 1: have the same survival slash desire and that I will
Speaker 1: work less or less hard, or I'll be the fat king.
Speaker 1: And I think that trauma and that fear keeps me
Speaker 1: from going I'm the freaking guy, and a bit goes
Speaker 1: I'm the guy that I'm all trying to be the guy.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I gotta keep going. There is a difference,
Speaker 1: but yes, I do feel that way, but I fought
Speaker 1: it for a long time. And it's a balance between
Speaker 1: ego because you want to be that dude, but also
Speaker 1: I like to think.
Speaker 2: That I have.
Speaker 1: The perspective to know us. Anybody I've seen be that
Speaker 1: dude and know they're that dude. They're not that dude
Speaker 1: for very long because then you start to be that
Speaker 1: dude and you you're not challenging yourself anymore.
Speaker 2: You're not.
Speaker 1: So my answer is yes, but in the most unhealthy way?
Speaker 4: Do you?
Speaker 5: So you know one of the things that and I
Speaker 5: use this analogy in the first part, I think of
Speaker 5: you as a snow globe shaker, right, and you come
Speaker 5: in and you disrupt things sometimes and you say things
Speaker 5: that that are your opinion. And I remember for years,
Speaker 5: you know you were you were challenging media on Casey Musgraves.
Speaker 4: You're a challenger.
Speaker 5: When you're alone and it's quiet and and your phone's
Speaker 5: put away, when someone is negative, or when someone is
Speaker 5: like not understanding why you do what you do?
Speaker 4: How do you get through that?
Speaker 5: Because knowing you, you've probably about four hours to sleep
Speaker 5: and then you're back at it tomorrow. How do you
Speaker 5: get through the negativity when you get it? Because I'm
Speaker 5: sure you know the people say, don't read the comments
Speaker 5: you see them.
Speaker 1: Sure it sucks sometimes it really does. Because you feel
Speaker 1: like you work hard and you try to be honest,
Speaker 1: and sometimes for different reasons, people are just they're just dicks.
Speaker 2: Maybe they don't believe the same as you. Maybe they
Speaker 2: just want to troll you.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're jealous of whom you're talking about or myself.
Speaker 2: It does suck.
Speaker 1: However, I think with experience, I have learned to get
Speaker 1: to make it suck a little less, a little quicker.
Speaker 1: I can move on a little faster. But it still sucks.
Speaker 1: And I yeah, I tell people stay out of comments,
Speaker 1: so that never means say the comments. It means just
Speaker 1: do a little better at staying out of the comments,
Speaker 1: and stay out get out a little quicker. Nobody stays
Speaker 1: out of the comments. If we're creating something, we're creating
Speaker 1: it because we want people to consume whatever it is.
Speaker 1: There's also an ego to that. You don't have to
Speaker 1: be an egotistical human in your personal life, but there's
Speaker 1: an ego to having the thought of I'm going to
Speaker 1: create this and I think people should either spend their
Speaker 1: time or money on it. And then when someone insults
Speaker 1: what you've created, it hurts because you've put heart, time, emotion, skill.
Speaker 1: But what has helped me stay in the comments less
Speaker 1: is it actually keeps me from performing again at a
Speaker 1: high level, so I can look at it linear because
Speaker 1: it still hurts, But I go if I can just
Speaker 1: get out a little quicker, I can get back to
Speaker 1: where I need to be faster, and I can continue
Speaker 1: performing at the level that I want to perform. But
Speaker 1: some people go ahead. It doesn't bother me. It always bothers.
Speaker 1: It just bothers me less, and it's a little less
Speaker 1: intense because I've been it so many times now that
Speaker 1: I know it doesn't last. And I also want to
Speaker 1: get back to not being sad. So yeah, but it
Speaker 1: does blow. And I stay off the our show Facebook
Speaker 1: page for the most part until I don't, and it
Speaker 1: kicks me in the nuts because here are people that
Speaker 1: are following that are supposed to like why do you
Speaker 1: follow a show? We have a million follow on Facebook,
Speaker 1: a million plus followers I don't even know, And when
Speaker 1: they're just being extremely personal and hateful, I'm like, why
Speaker 1: would you even? But then I have to remember that
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people that, for a lot
Speaker 1: of reasons, are sad, and much like a bully in
Speaker 1: eighth grade when I got the crabbet out of me, I.
Speaker 2: Don't really think the bully is a bad dude.
Speaker 1: I think there are bad things happen into the bully
Speaker 1: that makes the bully act and reacts in a certain way,
Speaker 1: and I have to boil it down to that.
Speaker 2: Or I just fight them. It's one of those things.
Speaker 1: It's out of the full thing where I go hard
Speaker 1: at them and then wish I didn't. But it just
Speaker 1: gets easier because I've been through it and realized it's
Speaker 1: not as important as I as I thought used to
Speaker 1: think it was.
Speaker 5: In all the different categories that you're in. Like I
Speaker 5: was thinking about you know how, I said, my son
Speaker 5: sees you as the guy from Breaking Bobby Bones, but
Speaker 5: somebody might see you as the Dancing with the Stars guy,
Speaker 5: or the author, or the performer or the stand up
Speaker 5: or the Raging Idiots tour or the radio show.
Speaker 4: You're touch on all of them.
Speaker 5: Is there one where you go, I'm okay, if you
Speaker 5: don't like this version of me, maybe the author I'm
Speaker 5: making this up, but you know you don't like me?
Speaker 4: Is this version?
Speaker 3: But man, please like me as this one.
Speaker 1: We talked in the last episode about the nineteen seconds,
Speaker 1: which is, hey, if they're hiring you to do nineteen
Speaker 1: seconds as a radio do that nineteen seconds the best
Speaker 1: you can and.
Speaker 2: Everything that I do comes from radio.
Speaker 1: Everything I do comes from the launch point of traditional
Speaker 1: old school you gotta listen live radio still. So I've
Speaker 1: only been able to do all the other things because
Speaker 1: I was doing that nineteen seconds at a level that
Speaker 1: allowed people to leave me alone. Why I tried other things.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that anybody was encouraging me to do other things.
Speaker 1: My bosses at iHeart early were like, hey, you have
Speaker 1: to stop touring. You're gonna be exhausted. Why are you
Speaker 1: doing this? But what happened is I would tour so much,
Speaker 1: then I wouldn't tour, and they would go, is the
Speaker 1: any way you can get back to Boston a tour again?
Speaker 1: Because we noticed, and so I would do the nineteen
Speaker 1: seconds as good as I I absolutely could. Then I
Speaker 1: started to go and do you know, a little bit
Speaker 1: of music, a little bit of comedy, wrote books. Had
Speaker 1: no idea what I was doing if I had to
Speaker 1: pick one. Because you can also tell who like what
Speaker 1: they like you from when you see them.
Speaker 4: Oh can you? Oh yeah, tell me about that.
Speaker 1: If they're sixty eight and they're like, I know you
Speaker 1: watch me dance, I know for sure.
Speaker 2: If there's a.
Speaker 1: Female twenty nine to thirty seven, maybe a little older
Speaker 1: than that now I would say twenty, say twenty forty nine,
Speaker 1: and she's by herself and she comes up. She's a
Speaker 1: radio slash podcast listener, and usually both because if they
Speaker 1: recognize me, there's something more than just pas of listening.
Speaker 1: If they've got a whole family and they all knew
Speaker 1: who I am, including the young kids, it's for American Idol.
Speaker 1: But the one that I mean, I'm not the dancing
Speaker 1: thing is I don't really care if people know me
Speaker 1: from that.
Speaker 2: That to me was.
Speaker 1: Again anything I do ends up being controversial, but not
Speaker 1: for any reason that's actually controversial.
Speaker 2: I wanted that thing.
Speaker 1: Didn't know how to dance, I finished, I won, didn't
Speaker 1: know how to dance like I tried hard, I worked hard,
Speaker 1: found a different way to win.
Speaker 4: But that was a.
Speaker 1: That to me was more of a metaphor for everything else,
Speaker 1: as I figured I had to figure out a way
Speaker 1: to do it non traditionally. They changed the rules after
Speaker 1: I left that show because they didn't want somebody doing
Speaker 1: that again, where I actually realized fifty percent of the
Speaker 1: vote wasn't what everybody I would try my hardest to get.
Speaker 2: What I was supposed to get. But then I was
Speaker 2: going to go a different way.
Speaker 1: I was gonna do my nineteen seconds of the best
Speaker 1: I could do it, And it wasn't great, but I
Speaker 1: could do it just good enough where I knew if
Speaker 1: I I went to the people, I could get it.
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of people that are negative about
Speaker 1: the situation, and probably I just wouldnt want them to
Speaker 1: know me as a dancer. But I liked that I
Speaker 1: won that show because I figured out a way to
Speaker 1: win something that I wasn't supposed to finger quotes, much
Speaker 1: like I think everybody in this room has done in
Speaker 1: a way in life. And you've talked about your diagnosis,
Speaker 1: like on your Yeah, and I don't remember exactly what
Speaker 1: you said on a post. It was a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, like a kid. Do you remember what you said?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think it was origin story, right, maybe?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it was.
Speaker 5: Basically I said, if I were to tell you my
Speaker 5: origin story, it would be a kid born to a
Speaker 5: teenage mom who doesn't know.
Speaker 3: His bio dad, who has cerebral palsy.
Speaker 4: And I think the follow up line to that was.
Speaker 5: The first note, you play doesn't mean you can't play
Speaker 5: beautiful music.
Speaker 1: It's first note you plays often awesome, but and you
Speaker 1: hang in there long enough for people to go that
Speaker 1: know it's not very good.
Speaker 2: It'd be like, oh, well check this one outright.
Speaker 1: I was moved by that because again, everybody in this
Speaker 1: room has a story. And then the people that I
Speaker 1: surround myself with, I surround myself with them because I
Speaker 1: think they make me better. It's very it's a very
Speaker 1: selfish thing to do. All my friends on my show,
Speaker 1: and like if they didn't make me better, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have them there. I need to be put in a
Speaker 1: place that feels positive and not in the corny way,
Speaker 1: but in a way where I feel that I'm free
Speaker 1: to be me, because I feel like the most authentic
Speaker 1: version of me is what's going to win or lose,
Speaker 1: and I just want that opportunity. But I don't think
Speaker 1: you would be here without again, those three things. I
Speaker 1: don't what anybody will wish for to be born a
Speaker 1: teen mom. I was born a teen mom, not to
Speaker 1: know their dad. I know my dad. To be born
Speaker 1: with cerebral palsy, but you've had to develop other skills
Speaker 1: and not to make up for something. But we all
Speaker 1: have to develop in ways that we aren't because nobody's
Speaker 1: the full one hundred NBA two K player, right, you're
Speaker 1: not good at threes and dunking, you know, had one
Speaker 1: hundred on both. But I think that you saying that
Speaker 1: it felt extremely personal to me, but I think it
Speaker 1: feels extremely personal to everybody because we all feel like
Speaker 1: we're coming from that place and we all are and that,
Speaker 1: to me is the most important part of me going
Speaker 1: after my nineteen seconds, but also doing the things outside
Speaker 1: of that that I can play that first hour note
Speaker 1: and no it ain't beautiful, but I'm gonna hang in there.
Speaker 1: And I don't really have a lot of skill, but
Speaker 1: I do have tenacity, and that's something we can all build,
Speaker 1: and that's what you have built. You have like a
Speaker 1: tenacity callous which I admire. So that's the answer to that,
Speaker 1: No more dancing. That's a long answer to no more dancing, Phil.
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Speaker 5: What about you is misunderstood that I'm extremely confident.
Speaker 2: I think there are parts of me.
Speaker 1: That are that have to seem extremely confident or no
Speaker 1: one's going to listen and I know that, and if
Speaker 1: I don't have extreme confidence in certain areas, people aren't
Speaker 1: going to give me their attention. Now, I can develop
Speaker 1: extreme confidence through success or I can fail and go,
Speaker 1: oh man, that is not very good. But there are
Speaker 1: times where I feel like I have to have a
Speaker 1: confidence that isn't quite there, or I'm not going to
Speaker 1: be able to move the needle at all. I am
Speaker 1: not a very confident person. I'm wildly insecure. I think
Speaker 1: anybody that does any kind of art is doing an
Speaker 1: art for a reason. For some reason, I make people
Speaker 1: like them or love them. In my case, because there
Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of love when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: and I had to figure out a way to get
Speaker 1: it somehow. I am not confident by nature, and I
Speaker 1: think that's probably what's most misunderstood, because people go that
Speaker 1: dude as a cocky dude, or it's the exact opposite,
Speaker 1: that is a wildly insecure dude, depending on what I'm doing,
Speaker 1: and I'm both, but that now, I'm not naturally confident
Speaker 1: in anything.
Speaker 5: So if somebody says he's really confident or really cocky,
Speaker 5: it's because they aren't.
Speaker 1: It's because they're threatened. I never get successful people. They
Speaker 1: come at me at all because they're too They're not
Speaker 1: worried about me. They're too worried about themselves or the
Speaker 1: people they're working with trying to make them successful.
Speaker 2: That's the craziest thing.
Speaker 1: And I do get a lot of heat from industry folks,
Speaker 1: and not just for always pushing against what's the known.
Speaker 1: For some way, it's just insisting that I know when
Speaker 1: I really don't. But it's again, it's a bit of
Speaker 1: a theater when it comes to predicting. And you know,
Speaker 1: if coach and you're calling to play, you freaking believe
Speaker 1: in that play. But a little bit you're like, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they fill the three gap, I'm dead.
Speaker 1: I just can't show that to my guys. I can't
Speaker 1: tell my guys that there's so I think that most
Speaker 1: people that come at us, you meet anybody, it's projecting
Speaker 1: a bit, because if you really were killing it at
Speaker 1: what you're doing, you're not worried about somebody else doing
Speaker 1: what they're doing, unless it's hurting kids or animals. So yeah,
Speaker 1: if anybody has a problem with me about my confidence
Speaker 1: or my show or my usually it's a projection. Because
Speaker 1: I found myself going like, oh, I can't stand that person,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, wait, wait, wait, nope, I can't stand myself.
Speaker 1: That's what it is. And it took a long time
Speaker 1: for me to feel that way. And now I can
Speaker 1: have professional, healthy jealousy, which is the greatest gift I've
Speaker 1: ever given myself, and it's taken me work to get there.
Speaker 1: One of my best industry friends, he's a good friend.
Speaker 1: He was at my wedding, But charlottege the god in
Speaker 1: New York, is that's my guy. We send each other,
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I don't care. We send each other
Speaker 1: each other's contracts were negotiations, like the full things. I
Speaker 1: don't deve with anybody else, but you have to trust
Speaker 1: the person to do that. And like, I love him.
Speaker 1: He's been there for me in some really hard times.
Speaker 1: And he's also kicked me in the balls in really
Speaker 1: hard times.
Speaker 2: For me.
Speaker 1: When I got the million dollar fine, as soon as
Speaker 1: I did it and all the stations went down, all
Speaker 1: he said was, hey, screenshot this, and then he sent
Speaker 1: me like one hundred laughing emojis because he knew I
Speaker 1: was going through it was miserable. And he's like this
Speaker 1: isn't going to take you down, I know, But for
Speaker 1: the fine, it was just the FCC was on us
Speaker 1: and I thought I was gonna get fired. He goes
Speaker 1: screenshot this to come back to it, because you're feeling
Speaker 1: terrible right now, and here's your perspective. I've all laughing,
Speaker 1: crying emojis to have professional, healthy jealousy of him when
Speaker 1: he's like hosting the Daily Show, I'm so jealous of that,
Speaker 1: but I'm so happy for him to where That's when
Speaker 1: I can feel the growth in me is that you
Speaker 1: have said that ten years No, I wouldn't have said
Speaker 1: it five years ago.
Speaker 4: Really, Nope, okay, because.
Speaker 2: I would have just been like, why am I not
Speaker 2: doing that? What's happening? What am I doing wrong? What
Speaker 2: are my people doing wrong? What are they're not?
Speaker 1: They can be completely mutually exclusive. They have nothing to
Speaker 1: do with each other. Because Charloamae's doing it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: I'm not. I also love him and I'm proud for him.
Speaker 1: And that's crazy of somebody in the same industry that
Speaker 1: we all feel like we're fighting in the same pie
Speaker 1: and there's only certain amount of pieces. But what I've
Speaker 1: learned is if you can't get into this pie. Go
Speaker 1: create your own pie and do it that way. But yes,
Speaker 1: I love it. I have professional, healthy jealousy and it
Speaker 1: is great for I still get jealous, So I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna act like I'm way better than that. I'm like, God,
Speaker 1: I wish I was doing that. But to have that
Speaker 1: and even have Ryan be real nice to me seecrest,
Speaker 1: because I think when I was first put on Idol,
Speaker 1: not that he wasn't nice, but he was like, why
Speaker 1: is this dude? He's basically a junior varsity version of me, right,
Speaker 1: a goofy? Why Ryan's not goofy? But I'm a little goofyer,
Speaker 1: But why is he on this show? When Ryan got
Speaker 1: sick and I hosted the first time that's ever happened,
Speaker 1: and I did pretty good considering it was twenty minutes
Speaker 1: from showtime. And there was a point when Ryan was
Speaker 1: just like, hey, let's uh, how you do? How you
Speaker 1: doing with your money? He can't with me one time,
Speaker 1: and I said, what do you mean? He goes, I
Speaker 1: know now you're making a lot of money, and you
Speaker 1: always weren't the same. It was the same for me
Speaker 1: for a while. How are you doing with your money?
Speaker 1: What's up? What do you what are you trusting? What
Speaker 1: are you not trusting? What advice can I give you?
Speaker 1: And I was like, holy crap, And I think Ryan
Speaker 1: a bit is developed enough and has been developed enough
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 2: He's not here, He's not even a good as I am.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna take my job, So why don't I
Speaker 1: just be encouraging and help him out. I think Ryan
Speaker 1: showing me that too has been a big part of
Speaker 1: it as well.
Speaker 3: Do you think that your wife has made you better?
Speaker 1: I think my wife has made me. The answer is yes,
Speaker 1: but I just don't want to say yes because that's it. Yes,
Speaker 1: because it has giving. It has given me perspective about
Speaker 1: things that aren't radio or media that has maybe be
Speaker 1: better at radio media and podcasting. And it has given
Speaker 1: me life depth even with my staff where if something
Speaker 1: personal is up, don't even think twice about pushing yourself
Speaker 1: coming in.
Speaker 2: Don't think twice.
Speaker 1: Don't you need to handle you so you can be
Speaker 1: your best version for me, and if you're not, you
Speaker 1: need to go back and handle you. Whomever it is
Speaker 1: on the show, I'll say person X, we've had an
Speaker 1: incident where there something wasn't happening to good in their
Speaker 1: personal life, and they're like, I'm gonna show up every day.
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, no, no, don't report it. You need a week
Speaker 2: and a half.
Speaker 1: Go take your week and a half because we're in
Speaker 1: our own little bunker here. And if you want to
Speaker 1: be the best version of you, which you obviously want to,
Speaker 1: because you're gonna drag yourself in every day, I need
Speaker 1: you to go and get right because you can play
Speaker 1: the game injured, but you'll never fully heal. Then you're
Speaker 1: always going to be the injured player. So take a week,
Speaker 1: take two weeks, come back the best version of yourself.
Speaker 1: My wife is what's given me that perspective, because usually
Speaker 1: it was just drag yourself in, get to take claw
Speaker 1: the ground and just get here to work, because that's
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. But my wife has made me better
Speaker 1: as a person, which has made me better as a
Speaker 1: boss and a leader, which has given me life depth
Speaker 1: that I didn't have because I was just running.
Speaker 2: I was just by myself. I was running a gun
Speaker 2: and you know, but.
Speaker 1: Yes, the answer is yes, but not because she like
Speaker 1: gives me some But she's also younger than I am
Speaker 1: eleven years almost twelve, and so she definitely puts me
Speaker 1: onto stuff too, but that's the surface way she makes
Speaker 1: me better. But as a person, she makes me a
Speaker 1: better leader and a boss and allows me to be
Speaker 1: better creatively because of it.
Speaker 6: The Bobby cast will be right back. This is it's
Speaker 6: a Bobby cast.
Speaker 5: Do you ever think, hey, Charlemagne helped me, Ryan helped me.
Speaker 5: Who's in your roster of people that you think you.
Speaker 4: Want to help?
Speaker 1: Anybody that I feel immediate empathy for, For example, will
Speaker 1: use Ai Ashley when she when they were attacking her.
Speaker 1: I did not know her as fast as I could
Speaker 1: have got her number and called her and I was like,
Speaker 1: I know, this is weird, I'm calling you.
Speaker 2: Go, but what you're doing now is not going to
Speaker 2: be looked at in some such a crazy way. I
Speaker 2: stay the course. Don't feel like it's personal. It's not.
Speaker 1: And I would just relate with my experiences. So to
Speaker 1: have a lot of those experiences now is my tool belt.
Speaker 1: It's not that I was naturally gifted things. I've just
Speaker 1: been through a bunch of crap and I feel like
Speaker 1: that's also what I can what I can give back.
Speaker 1: Even with Charlemagne, Like you know, the first time I
Speaker 1: sent up my contract. I was like, don't still. I
Speaker 1: thought you maybe still my identity. I don't know, not him,
Speaker 1: but anybody don't know what I was given, but it
Speaker 1: was not so much of Well, since somebody gave to me,
Speaker 1: I need to give to them.
Speaker 2: But I feel like.
Speaker 1: Empathy is it's just it's the greatest weapon and understanding.
Speaker 1: Anytime I use it with anybody else, that actually makes
Speaker 1: me better as well, So that could even be seen
Speaker 1: as selfish. There's a kid who got in trouble because
Speaker 1: he played the f wort. He's not a kid, he's
Speaker 1: an adult. Played the ef wort on a station, and
Speaker 1: I won't throw him under the bus. It was an
Speaker 1: interview with I think maybe Luke Combs accidentally played it.
Speaker 1: I called him, didn't know him. Here's the deal, so
Speaker 1: I here's you're in trouble for a minute, don't make
Speaker 1: the minute two. This is what you do. This is
Speaker 1: how you take your lumps. If you need help talking
Speaker 1: to the lump givers. I'm here for you because I've
Speaker 1: been here and done it wrong. So I think that
Speaker 1: and then also hiring people like this. This is read
Speaker 1: reads like twelve. I don't know what he is read
Speaker 1: never went to school to do what he's doing now.
Speaker 1: But when I met him, he was just so curious
Speaker 1: and he'd already started like taking pictures and stuff. But
Speaker 1: it's he's good enough that if the opportunity is there,
Speaker 1: I want to allow him to be great, And so
Speaker 1: I want to kind of bet on him and challenge
Speaker 1: him and reward them in a way that I don't
Speaker 1: think I was and so and read just just an example,
Speaker 1: but I think I look for that as well, like
Speaker 1: people that aren't traditionally coming into a place where they've
Speaker 1: been traditionally trained, but they really want to do it.
Speaker 1: Because to me, that's all that matters, Like are you
Speaker 1: so curious and do you want to learn how to
Speaker 1: do it?
Speaker 2: And you want to be awesome?
Speaker 1: And I'm going to be awesome to you hopefully, and
Speaker 1: in exchange, it's gonna be an awesome relationship.
Speaker 2: That's kind of how I feel.
Speaker 4: Have you told him that before?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so?
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: I try to be more even communicative.
Speaker 1: My wife has made all this real, but this makes
Speaker 1: me better where I'm like, dude, this is great, you're
Speaker 1: killing it here. I'm so proud that you did this.
Speaker 1: And I know he was super cure he just wanted
Speaker 1: to get better. So I was like, hey, I'll put
Speaker 1: you in school for let me pay for you to
Speaker 1: go and learn this if you really want it. It's
Speaker 1: what he did. He went and learned so but I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have done that had he not had like the initiative.
Speaker 1: And there are times he screw up taking risks, but
Speaker 1: there were also times he would take huge risks and
Speaker 1: it would be so much better than I would ever
Speaker 1: have even thought it was.
Speaker 2: And to me, that's where it was.
Speaker 1: So to answer that question, I think that's what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get better at is find folks that want
Speaker 1: to do it that maybe haven't traditionally had the education
Speaker 1: to do it, whatever that means, and go let me
Speaker 1: help you, because if you want to do it, you're
Speaker 1: gonna be great at Ituse the only reason I'm good
Speaker 1: at anything is because I want to do it, and
Speaker 1: I got better at it because I wanted to do it,
Speaker 1: and now we're rocking.
Speaker 5: Last question goes back to the first question. First question
Speaker 5: again was do you realize you're the guy like you're
Speaker 5: at the table right looking back at the whole journey.
Speaker 5: You get one mulligan, one do over. Yeah, which one
Speaker 5: do you take?
Speaker 2: That's I mean, that's the easiest question.
Speaker 4: Oh man, I went out soft.
Speaker 1: No, you didn't go out soft because I believe that
Speaker 1: every mistake that I've made I've learned something from except fruit.
Speaker 1: And we're talking professionally because I have a personal one too,
Speaker 1: But we're talking professionally, and I do realize that I'm
Speaker 1: the guy, but I also realize the guy comes and
Speaker 1: goes quick.
Speaker 2: There's never going a guy that just stays the guy forever.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who you are the guy whatever that means.
Speaker 1: To the point where I and I got in a
Speaker 1: little trouble with my company when I did this. But
Speaker 1: I went and hired two people that didn't know each other,
Speaker 1: didn't know what was up, and I said, hey, I
Speaker 1: want you to listen to my show for a week.
Speaker 1: I'm going to pay you, and I want you to
Speaker 1: write both of not both of you, but talking to
Speaker 1: each one of them individually. I want you to write
Speaker 1: a report on how you would beat me. I want
Speaker 1: you to find every weakness if you were launching a
Speaker 1: show against me in the same town the other one
Speaker 1: to the other one, I said, if you were launching
Speaker 1: a syndicated show against me. I want you to somebody
Speaker 1: that I respected, I said, I want you to beat me.
Speaker 1: I want you to tell me what kind of person
Speaker 1: you would get, what the show would be where you
Speaker 1: would target my vulnerabilities because we all have them, and please,
Speaker 1: I'm going to hire you to beat me. And I
Speaker 1: com ready heard about it, and they got upset, and
Speaker 1: I just don't think they knew what I was doing
Speaker 1: because in the corporate world, you're there's just you have
Speaker 1: so many things going in You're from all directions too.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't pleasant for me for a little bit.
Speaker 1: They're like, why are you hiring people? We have research
Speaker 1: we have. I said, yes, and that is an excellent
Speaker 1: tool for things for what you want the research, but
Speaker 1: the research is on it's like forward when they're asking
Speaker 1: about if you would have let people decide they're just
Speaker 1: made a better horse instead of a car. A lot
Speaker 1: of the research we do is how to make what
Speaker 1: we're already doing better instead of what can we do
Speaker 1: that isn't like what we're already doing that I'm missing
Speaker 1: on And so that's what's why I hired these people.
Speaker 1: And and it hurt to read, but it was supposed
Speaker 1: to right when it hurts to it's awesome to be grown,
Speaker 1: but you were growing physically, you're twelve. It hurts, and
Speaker 1: so I understand that the guy doesn't live along live.
Speaker 1: What does happen is after the guy, not the guy anymore.
Speaker 1: It was kind of cool being the guy back in
Speaker 1: the day, and hopefully the next guy is somewhat influenced
Speaker 1: by you. And the professional statement would be, oh, that's Eddie,
Speaker 1: that's the other guy. Why'd you come in that door
Speaker 1: where it's like the beeper We're in the middle of
Speaker 1: like a serious conversation here, that's the guy right there,
Speaker 1: that's the guy. So but my answer to that would
Speaker 1: be professionally, it was such a put The eas tone
Speaker 1: that costs me was gonna be six million dollars. One
Speaker 1: million dollars was not in any way even a mess
Speaker 1: up on my part because I got it from his audio.
Speaker 1: I just got took it off the internet from like
Speaker 1: an audio site. It just turns out that that tone
Speaker 1: wasn't cleared by the FS. They hadn't fully fixed their business,
Speaker 1: so we got punished. I just wouldn't hit it. The
Speaker 1: bit wasn't even that big or good, and I'm like
Speaker 1: let's do. There was a baseball game and they played
Speaker 1: a es tone when there was like a home run
Speaker 1: in the World Series, and I was like, how crazy
Speaker 1: would it be? Another life events that just happened. I
Speaker 1: didn't think about the big and I was like, that's
Speaker 1: one small step, sh don't I was just saying, what
Speaker 1: if other events had been cut off by that? It
Speaker 1: was thirty seconds, I would go back and go not
Speaker 1: worth it, not worth the trouble, and not worth anything.
Speaker 1: That's my big regret professionally. Also, I think I probably
Speaker 1: at times there was a CEO from a certain company
Speaker 1: that when I was coming to Nashville, he was like, Hey,
Speaker 1: that's not gonna work. You're not going to thrive there,
Speaker 1: and when you don't thrive, you can come work for
Speaker 1: me in Tampa. And I was a bit insulted by that,
Speaker 1: but I think negatively and I didn't. I think that
Speaker 1: created a little bull in a china shop in a
Speaker 1: way that I wish maybe wouldn't have been so china shop.
Speaker 6: You.
Speaker 1: I'd like to be a bull in the arena more
Speaker 1: than a china shop. So I regret kind of how
Speaker 1: I handled that, but I think at least I learn
Speaker 1: from that.
Speaker 5: You have this way about you where you're motivated by.
Speaker 4: Truth and doubt.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, fear right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: When you said to them, I want you to beat
Speaker 5: me up and grade me, you were looking for the
Speaker 5: trainers screaming at you, telling you you're weak, you can't
Speaker 5: lift this, but only because I want to get better,
Speaker 5: only because you want to get better.
Speaker 4: Same thing with this guy.
Speaker 5: So I think that your fuel is actually generated by you.
Speaker 5: And I think a lot of times people expect other
Speaker 5: people to generate their inertia and you're doing it yourself,
Speaker 5: which I.
Speaker 4: Think is awesome.
Speaker 2: Which is awesome, it also.
Speaker 1: Sucks equal yeah, because I and I'll end on this,
Speaker 1: and I think it's it's even unfair to somebody like
Speaker 1: Morgan number one, who it's been with me the forever,
Speaker 1: Like she's here and she's that, uh, professionally the most
Speaker 1: consistent thing that I've had. I was speaking at a
Speaker 1: college and she was in the class, and I was like,
Speaker 1: who wants to intern? And she's like, I do, And
Speaker 1: so she interned and then show a lot of initiative.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I gotta Getjohn somehow. She was
Speaker 1: like my assistant for a little bit. We're just trying
Speaker 1: to find ways AutoZone. We were autozoning it, like we
Speaker 1: mentioned the first one. Then she became executive producer of
Speaker 1: the show, the radio show Climbing Up through a sister producer.
Speaker 1: Then she went over to my management side and was managing.
Speaker 1: She still does my all, and then now she's head
Speaker 1: of the president of the podcast network. But sometimes I
Speaker 1: won't be like, Hey, I'm working so hard, why are
Speaker 1: you guys not running up beside me? But I've created
Speaker 1: that culture of doing everything myself and then sometimes being like, hey,
Speaker 1: why aren't you doing So it's definitely a bit on
Speaker 1: both ends. It's awesome because I do control it. I
Speaker 1: do invest a lot in it, But sometimes it's negative
Speaker 1: because I have disappointment in people that I shouldn't have
Speaker 1: because they don't deserve it. Yeah, but you know, the
Speaker 1: show is baby, as they say. That's how we end
Speaker 1: every podcast, except not one time when we were into
Speaker 1: it like that and Eddie threw us off by coming
Speaker 1: in beeping the dangle arm. Did I not say come
Speaker 1: in the wood door. I've been doing that on that podcast.
Speaker 4: What that?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 2: Phil? Thank you man, You are awesome.
Speaker 1: And my dream scenario is one day you can just
Speaker 1: tell me either what to do or why you think
Speaker 1: I'm doing is not the way to do it, because
Speaker 1: I think you are. I've told my CFO and CEO
Speaker 1: many times if this guy's ever opened, we have to
Speaker 1: hire him immediately, and if anything, that should get you
Speaker 1: a raised when your next deal comes up at Alpha.
Speaker 1: But I am a big fan Alpha Media too, because you've
Speaker 1: taken a risk on me and your stations there, so
Speaker 1: I know you have to fly home and see your
Speaker 1: wife and kids and stuff. I thank you very much
Speaker 1: for being and doing this this deal with me than
Speaker 1: you guys go philosophis this podcast at phil Becker Media,
Speaker 1: and that is all.
Speaker 6: Goodbye, Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production