1 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: All my friends on my show, and like, if they 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: didn't make me better, I wouldn't have them there because 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: I feel like the most authentic version of me is 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: what's going to win or lose, and I just want 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: that opportunity. All right. Now, time for Part two of 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: the Bobby Cast with Phil Becker. We did part one. 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: If you missed that, check it out. I mean, this 8 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: dude's so legit, so innovative. I would love to work 9 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: with this guy at some point. I'd love for him 10 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: to hire me, or me hire him, or we hire 11 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: each other, and then we're confused, like the Spider Man meme, 12 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: like so motivating, so great. If you're in media, it 13 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: could be radio, it could be podcasting, it could be 14 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: social media. But at Phil Becker, his podcast is Philosophy 15 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: with Phil Becker, and this is him then turning it 16 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: to me. It's supposed to be one episode, but I 17 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: got a little carried away with the last one. So 18 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: here we go, Episode four forty four, Part two, No 19 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: forty three, it's part one. 20 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: We should make it for forty. 21 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 3: Four forty four. 22 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I'm weird about titling. What how about the sequel? 23 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 2: You like movies that's a different movie. Yeah, it'd be 24 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: part two. 25 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 4: Phil. 26 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: No, but like The Avengers, the second one is not 27 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: called The Avenger. 28 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: Same sub Part two. 29 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: Okay, Part one with Phil Becker parentheses, Bobby interviews Phil 30 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: okay four forty four Phil Becker, Phil interviews Bobby. 31 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: Okay, there we go, weirdo. 32 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: Mike has this movie thing where it's got to be 33 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: listed just perfectly. I hope you guys enjoy this. 34 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 2: Thank you. 35 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: If you don't mind, please go and rate, subscribe, whatever 36 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: you can do there. 37 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 2: It means a lot to us. It actually helps this podcast. 38 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: So thank you very much and enjoy I roback and 39 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: this is part two. I'm Bobby Bones obviously for watching 40 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: this or listen to this on the Bobbycast. I'm with 41 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: Phil Becker, who is a guy that I admire in media, 42 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: who was one of the first people to take my 43 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: radio show when we syndicated within my company, which is 44 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: already a controversial thing from outside of my company, to 45 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: say hey, we want you to come on ours, and 46 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: it what opened the doors to other companies doing that. 47 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: As I said in the. 48 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: Last episode, if I could pay Fill all the money 49 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: in the world, I would pay Fill all the money 50 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: in the world and say, first of all, give me 51 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: half of. 52 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: The back, like quietly. 53 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: But secondly, I just believe in how he does his 54 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: strategy and that's such a vague thing. But his strategy 55 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: is have a strategy, but you can pivot it, you 56 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: can move it. Have try to have an understanding of 57 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: what people want. Try to give it to them as 58 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: long as that's who you are. But that's what I 59 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: take from you. 60 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 3: Wow, that's great. You get it pretty well. 61 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: And that's a hard and you could say, or anybody 62 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: could say, well, try to give what they want. That's fine, 63 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: but it can that can only be temporary because eventually 64 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: you run out of lines. As an actor, I tried 65 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: that a bit and back in my early days, well 66 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: I'll try to have a big voice, and I just 67 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: get tired and I couldn't do it anymore. But I 68 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: texted Phil and said, hey, I want to do thirty 69 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: minutes with you, but it was did an hour. I'm sorry, 70 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: and I said, we can switch it and you can 71 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: ask me questions if you want. You don't have to 72 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: maybe you have nothing to ask me. And he's like, no, 73 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: that sounds great. So now I'm going to hand it 74 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: over to you. The next twenty five minutes will be 75 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: you run in the show? 76 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 5: All right? 77 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 2: You okay with that? 78 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 4: Yeah? I think that's okay. I think that's fun. 79 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 2: It's hard for me to not have to have control, 80 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: but go ahead, all right. 81 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 5: So I was thinking about the first few things that 82 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 5: I wanted to go in with you, and I thought 83 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 5: to myself, I've known you for a long time, but 84 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 5: do you ever realize that, like you're the guy now? 85 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: Yes, occasionally, but I get afraid and I go to 86 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: therapy about this, that when I feel that I won't 87 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: have the same survival slash desire and that I will 88 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: work less or less hard, or I'll be the fat king. 89 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: And I think that trauma and that fear keeps me 90 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: from going I'm the freaking guy, and a bit goes 91 00:03:58,520 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: I'm the guy that I'm all trying to be the guy. 92 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I gotta keep going. There is a difference, 93 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: but yes, I do feel that way, but I fought 94 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: it for a long time. And it's a balance between 95 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: ego because you want to be that dude, but also 96 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: I like to think. 97 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: That I have. 98 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: The perspective to know us. Anybody I've seen be that 99 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: dude and know they're that dude. They're not that dude 100 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: for very long because then you start to be that 101 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: dude and you you're not challenging yourself anymore. 102 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 2: You're not. 103 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: So my answer is yes, but in the most unhealthy way? 104 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 4: Do you? 105 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 5: So you know one of the things that and I 106 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 5: use this analogy in the first part, I think of 107 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 5: you as a snow globe shaker, right, and you come 108 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 5: in and you disrupt things sometimes and you say things 109 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 5: that that are your opinion. And I remember for years, 110 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 5: you know you were you were challenging media on Casey Musgraves. 111 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,559 Speaker 4: You're a challenger. 112 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 5: When you're alone and it's quiet and and your phone's 113 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 5: put away, when someone is negative, or when someone is 114 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 5: like not understanding why you do what you do? 115 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 4: How do you get through that? 116 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 5: Because knowing you, you've probably about four hours to sleep 117 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 5: and then you're back at it tomorrow. How do you 118 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 5: get through the negativity when you get it? Because I'm 119 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 5: sure you know the people say, don't read the comments 120 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 5: you see them. 121 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: Sure it sucks sometimes it really does. Because you feel 122 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: like you work hard and you try to be honest, 123 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: and sometimes for different reasons, people are just they're just dicks. 124 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 2: Maybe they don't believe the same as you. Maybe they 125 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 2: just want to troll you. 126 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: Maybe they're jealous of whom you're talking about or myself. 127 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: It does suck. 128 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: However, I think with experience, I have learned to get 129 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: to make it suck a little less, a little quicker. 130 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: I can move on a little faster. But it still sucks. 131 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: And I yeah, I tell people stay out of comments, 132 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: so that never means say the comments. It means just 133 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: do a little better at staying out of the comments, 134 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: and stay out get out a little quicker. Nobody stays 135 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: out of the comments. If we're creating something, we're creating 136 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: it because we want people to consume whatever it is. 137 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: There's also an ego to that. You don't have to 138 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: be an egotistical human in your personal life, but there's 139 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: an ego to having the thought of I'm going to 140 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: create this and I think people should either spend their 141 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: time or money on it. And then when someone insults 142 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: what you've created, it hurts because you've put heart, time, emotion, skill. 143 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: But what has helped me stay in the comments less 144 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: is it actually keeps me from performing again at a 145 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: high level, so I can look at it linear because 146 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: it still hurts, But I go if I can just 147 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: get out a little quicker, I can get back to 148 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: where I need to be faster, and I can continue 149 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: performing at the level that I want to perform. But 150 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: some people go ahead. It doesn't bother me. It always bothers. 151 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: It just bothers me less, and it's a little less 152 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 1: intense because I've been it so many times now that 153 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: I know it doesn't last. And I also want to 154 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: get back to not being sad. So yeah, but it 155 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: does blow. And I stay off the our show Facebook 156 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: page for the most part until I don't, and it 157 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: kicks me in the nuts because here are people that 158 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: are following that are supposed to like why do you 159 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: follow a show? We have a million follow on Facebook, 160 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: a million plus followers I don't even know, And when 161 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: they're just being extremely personal and hateful, I'm like, why 162 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: would you even? But then I have to remember that 163 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: there are a lot of people that, for a lot 164 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: of reasons, are sad, and much like a bully in 165 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: eighth grade when I got the crabbet out of me, I. 166 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: Don't really think the bully is a bad dude. 167 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: I think there are bad things happen into the bully 168 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: that makes the bully act and reacts in a certain way, 169 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: and I have to boil it down to that. 170 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 2: Or I just fight them. It's one of those things. 171 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: It's out of the full thing where I go hard 172 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: at them and then wish I didn't. But it just 173 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: gets easier because I've been through it and realized it's 174 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: not as important as I as I thought used to 175 00:07:59,160 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: think it was. 176 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 5: In all the different categories that you're in. Like I 177 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 5: was thinking about you know how, I said, my son 178 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 5: sees you as the guy from Breaking Bobby Bones, but 179 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 5: somebody might see you as the Dancing with the Stars guy, 180 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 5: or the author, or the performer or the stand up 181 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 5: or the Raging Idiots tour or the radio show. 182 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 4: You're touch on all of them. 183 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 5: Is there one where you go, I'm okay, if you 184 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 5: don't like this version of me, maybe the author I'm 185 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 5: making this up, but you know you don't like me? 186 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 4: Is this version? 187 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 3: But man, please like me as this one. 188 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: We talked in the last episode about the nineteen seconds, 189 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: which is, hey, if they're hiring you to do nineteen 190 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: seconds as a radio do that nineteen seconds the best 191 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: you can and. 192 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 2: Everything that I do comes from radio. 193 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 1: Everything I do comes from the launch point of traditional 194 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 1: old school you gotta listen live radio still. So I've 195 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: only been able to do all the other things because 196 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: I was doing that nineteen seconds at a level that 197 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: allowed people to leave me alone. Why I tried other things. 198 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: It wasn't that anybody was encouraging me to do other things. 199 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: My bosses at iHeart early were like, hey, you have 200 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: to stop touring. You're gonna be exhausted. Why are you 201 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 1: doing this? But what happened is I would tour so much, 202 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: then I wouldn't tour, and they would go, is the 203 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: any way you can get back to Boston a tour again? 204 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: Because we noticed, and so I would do the nineteen 205 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: seconds as good as I I absolutely could. Then I 206 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: started to go and do you know, a little bit 207 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: of music, a little bit of comedy, wrote books. Had 208 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: no idea what I was doing if I had to 209 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: pick one. Because you can also tell who like what 210 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: they like you from when you see them. 211 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 4: Oh can you? Oh yeah, tell me about that. 212 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: If they're sixty eight and they're like, I know you 213 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: watch me dance, I know for sure. 214 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: If there's a. 215 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: Female twenty nine to thirty seven, maybe a little older 216 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: than that now I would say twenty, say twenty forty nine, 217 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: and she's by herself and she comes up. She's a 218 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: radio slash podcast listener, and usually both because if they 219 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: recognize me, there's something more than just pas of listening. 220 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: If they've got a whole family and they all knew 221 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: who I am, including the young kids, it's for American Idol. 222 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: But the one that I mean, I'm not the dancing 223 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: thing is I don't really care if people know me 224 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 1: from that. 225 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 2: That to me was. 226 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: Again anything I do ends up being controversial, but not 227 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: for any reason that's actually controversial. 228 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 2: I wanted that thing. 229 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: Didn't know how to dance, I finished, I won, didn't 230 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: know how to dance like I tried hard, I worked hard, 231 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: found a different way to win. 232 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 4: But that was a. 233 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: That to me was more of a metaphor for everything else, 234 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: as I figured I had to figure out a way 235 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: to do it non traditionally. They changed the rules after 236 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: I left that show because they didn't want somebody doing 237 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,719 Speaker 1: that again, where I actually realized fifty percent of the 238 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: vote wasn't what everybody I would try my hardest to get. 239 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:48,599 Speaker 2: What I was supposed to get. But then I was 240 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: going to go a different way. 241 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: I was gonna do my nineteen seconds of the best 242 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: I could do it, And it wasn't great, but I 243 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: could do it just good enough where I knew if 244 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: I I went to the people, I could get it. 245 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of people that are negative about 246 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 1: the situation, and probably I just wouldnt want them to 247 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: know me as a dancer. But I liked that I 248 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: won that show because I figured out a way to 249 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: win something that I wasn't supposed to finger quotes, much 250 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: like I think everybody in this room has done in 251 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: a way in life. And you've talked about your diagnosis, 252 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: like on your Yeah, and I don't remember exactly what 253 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 1: you said on a post. It was a couple of 254 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: weeks ago, like a kid. Do you remember what you said? 255 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 4: Yeah? 256 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 3: I think it was origin story, right, maybe? 257 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, So it was. 258 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 5: Basically I said, if I were to tell you my 259 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 5: origin story, it would be a kid born to a 260 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 5: teenage mom who doesn't know. 261 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 3: His bio dad, who has cerebral palsy. 262 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 4: And I think the follow up line to that was. 263 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 5: The first note, you play doesn't mean you can't play 264 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 5: beautiful music. 265 00:11:55,080 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: It's first note you plays often awesome, but and you 266 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: hang in there long enough for people to go that 267 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: know it's not very good. 268 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 2: It'd be like, oh, well check this one outright. 269 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: I was moved by that because again, everybody in this 270 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: room has a story. And then the people that I 271 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: surround myself with, I surround myself with them because I 272 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: think they make me better. It's very it's a very 273 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,719 Speaker 1: selfish thing to do. All my friends on my show, 274 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: and like if they didn't make me better, I wouldn't 275 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: have them there. I need to be put in a 276 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: place that feels positive and not in the corny way, 277 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: but in a way where I feel that I'm free 278 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: to be me, because I feel like the most authentic 279 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: version of me is what's going to win or lose, 280 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: and I just want that opportunity. But I don't think 281 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: you would be here without again, those three things. I 282 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: don't what anybody will wish for to be born a 283 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,719 Speaker 1: teen mom. I was born a teen mom, not to 284 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: know their dad. I know my dad. To be born 285 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: with cerebral palsy, but you've had to develop other skills 286 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: and not to make up for something. But we all 287 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: have to develop in ways that we aren't because nobody's 288 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: the full one hundred NBA two K player, right, you're 289 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: not good at threes and dunking, you know, had one 290 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: hundred on both. But I think that you saying that 291 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: it felt extremely personal to me, but I think it 292 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: feels extremely personal to everybody because we all feel like 293 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: we're coming from that place and we all are and that, 294 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: to me is the most important part of me going 295 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: after my nineteen seconds, but also doing the things outside 296 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: of that that I can play that first hour note 297 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: and no it ain't beautiful, but I'm gonna hang in there. 298 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: And I don't really have a lot of skill, but 299 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: I do have tenacity, and that's something we can all build, 300 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: and that's what you have built. You have like a 301 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: tenacity callous which I admire. So that's the answer to that, 302 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: No more dancing. That's a long answer to no more dancing, Phil. 303 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 6: Yes, let's take a quick pause for a message from 304 00:13:53,679 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 6: our sponsor and we're back on the Bobby Cast. 305 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 5: What about you is misunderstood that I'm extremely confident. 306 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 2: I think there are parts of me. 307 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: That are that have to seem extremely confident or no 308 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: one's going to listen and I know that, and if 309 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: I don't have extreme confidence in certain areas, people aren't 310 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: going to give me their attention. Now, I can develop 311 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: extreme confidence through success or I can fail and go, 312 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: oh man, that is not very good. But there are 313 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: times where I feel like I have to have a 314 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: confidence that isn't quite there, or I'm not going to 315 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: be able to move the needle at all. I am 316 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: not a very confident person. I'm wildly insecure. I think 317 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: anybody that does any kind of art is doing an 318 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: art for a reason. For some reason, I make people 319 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: like them or love them. In my case, because there 320 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of love when I was a kid, 321 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: and I had to figure out a way to get 322 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: it somehow. I am not confident by nature, and I 323 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: think that's probably what's most misunderstood, because people go that 324 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: dude as a cocky dude, or it's the exact opposite, 325 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: that is a wildly insecure dude, depending on what I'm doing, 326 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: and I'm both, but that now, I'm not naturally confident 327 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: in anything. 328 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 5: So if somebody says he's really confident or really cocky, 329 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 5: it's because they aren't. 330 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: It's because they're threatened. I never get successful people. They 331 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: come at me at all because they're too They're not 332 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: worried about me. They're too worried about themselves or the 333 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: people they're working with trying to make them successful. 334 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 2: That's the craziest thing. 335 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: And I do get a lot of heat from industry folks, 336 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: and not just for always pushing against what's the known. 337 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: For some way, it's just insisting that I know when 338 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: I really don't. But it's again, it's a bit of 339 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: a theater when it comes to predicting. And you know, 340 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: if coach and you're calling to play, you freaking believe 341 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: in that play. But a little bit you're like, man, 342 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if they fill the three gap, I'm dead. 343 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: I just can't show that to my guys. I can't 344 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: tell my guys that there's so I think that most 345 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: people that come at us, you meet anybody, it's projecting 346 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: a bit, because if you really were killing it at 347 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: what you're doing, you're not worried about somebody else doing 348 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: what they're doing, unless it's hurting kids or animals. So yeah, 349 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: if anybody has a problem with me about my confidence 350 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: or my show or my usually it's a projection. Because 351 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: I found myself going like, oh, I can't stand that person, 352 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: and I'm like, wait, wait, wait, nope, I can't stand myself. 353 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: That's what it is. And it took a long time 354 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: for me to feel that way. And now I can 355 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: have professional, healthy jealousy, which is the greatest gift I've 356 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: ever given myself, and it's taken me work to get there. 357 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: One of my best industry friends, he's a good friend. 358 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: He was at my wedding, But charlottege the god in 359 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: New York, is that's my guy. We send each other, 360 00:16:58,480 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: I'll say this, I don't care. We send each other 361 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: each other's contracts were negotiations, like the full things. I 362 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 1: don't deve with anybody else, but you have to trust 363 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: the person to do that. And like, I love him. 364 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: He's been there for me in some really hard times. 365 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: And he's also kicked me in the balls in really 366 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 1: hard times. 367 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 2: For me. 368 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: When I got the million dollar fine, as soon as 369 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 1: I did it and all the stations went down, all 370 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: he said was, hey, screenshot this, and then he sent 371 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: me like one hundred laughing emojis because he knew I 372 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: was going through it was miserable. And he's like this 373 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: isn't going to take you down, I know, But for 374 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: the fine, it was just the FCC was on us 375 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: and I thought I was gonna get fired. He goes 376 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: screenshot this to come back to it, because you're feeling 377 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: terrible right now, and here's your perspective. I've all laughing, 378 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: crying emojis to have professional, healthy jealousy of him when 379 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: he's like hosting the Daily Show, I'm so jealous of that, 380 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: but I'm so happy for him to where That's when 381 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: I can feel the growth in me is that you 382 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: have said that ten years No, I wouldn't have said 383 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: it five years ago. 384 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 4: Really, Nope, okay, because. 385 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: I would have just been like, why am I not 386 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 2: doing that? What's happening? What am I doing wrong? What 387 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 2: are my people doing wrong? What are they're not? 388 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: They can be completely mutually exclusive. They have nothing to 389 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: do with each other. Because Charloamae's doing it doesn't mean 390 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: I'm not. I also love him and I'm proud for him. 391 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 1: And that's crazy of somebody in the same industry that 392 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: we all feel like we're fighting in the same pie 393 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: and there's only certain amount of pieces. But what I've 394 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: learned is if you can't get into this pie. Go 395 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: create your own pie and do it that way. But yes, 396 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: I love it. I have professional, healthy jealousy and it 397 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: is great for I still get jealous, So I'm not 398 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 1: gonna act like I'm way better than that. I'm like, God, 399 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: I wish I was doing that. But to have that 400 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 1: and even have Ryan be real nice to me seecrest, 401 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: because I think when I was first put on Idol, 402 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: not that he wasn't nice, but he was like, why 403 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: is this dude? He's basically a junior varsity version of me, right, 404 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 1: a goofy? Why Ryan's not goofy? But I'm a little goofyer, 405 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: But why is he on this show? When Ryan got 406 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: sick and I hosted the first time that's ever happened, 407 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: and I did pretty good considering it was twenty minutes 408 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: from showtime. And there was a point when Ryan was 409 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: just like, hey, let's uh, how you do? How you 410 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: doing with your money? He can't with me one time, 411 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: and I said, what do you mean? He goes, I 412 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: know now you're making a lot of money, and you 413 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: always weren't the same. It was the same for me 414 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: for a while. How are you doing with your money? 415 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: What's up? What do you what are you trusting? What 416 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: are you not trusting? What advice can I give you? 417 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: And I was like, holy crap, And I think Ryan 418 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 1: a bit is developed enough and has been developed enough 419 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: to go. 420 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 2: He's not here, He's not even a good as I am. 421 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: He's not gonna take my job, So why don't I 422 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: just be encouraging and help him out. I think Ryan 423 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: showing me that too has been a big part of 424 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 1: it as well. 425 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 3: Do you think that your wife has made you better? 426 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: I think my wife has made me. The answer is yes, 427 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: but I just don't want to say yes because that's it. Yes, 428 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: because it has giving. It has given me perspective about 429 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: things that aren't radio or media that has maybe be 430 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: better at radio media and podcasting. And it has given 431 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: me life depth even with my staff where if something 432 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: personal is up, don't even think twice about pushing yourself 433 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: coming in. 434 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 2: Don't think twice. 435 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 1: Don't you need to handle you so you can be 436 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: your best version for me, and if you're not, you 437 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: need to go back and handle you. Whomever it is 438 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: on the show, I'll say person X, we've had an 439 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: incident where there something wasn't happening to good in their 440 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: personal life, and they're like, I'm gonna show up every day. 441 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 2: I'm like, no, no, no, don't report it. You need a week 442 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 2: and a half. 443 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: Go take your week and a half because we're in 444 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: our own little bunker here. And if you want to 445 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: be the best version of you, which you obviously want to, 446 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: because you're gonna drag yourself in every day, I need 447 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: you to go and get right because you can play 448 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: the game injured, but you'll never fully heal. Then you're 449 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: always going to be the injured player. So take a week, 450 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: take two weeks, come back the best version of yourself. 451 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: My wife is what's given me that perspective, because usually 452 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: it was just drag yourself in, get to take claw 453 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: the ground and just get here to work, because that's 454 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: what I'm doing. But my wife has made me better 455 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: as a person, which has made me better as a 456 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: boss and a leader, which has given me life depth 457 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: that I didn't have because I was just running. 458 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 2: I was just by myself. I was running a gun 459 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 2: and you know, but. 460 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: Yes, the answer is yes, but not because she like 461 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: gives me some But she's also younger than I am 462 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: eleven years almost twelve, and so she definitely puts me 463 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: onto stuff too, but that's the surface way she makes 464 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: me better. But as a person, she makes me a 465 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: better leader and a boss and allows me to be 466 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: better creatively because of it. 467 00:21:47,600 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 6: The Bobby cast will be right back. This is it's 468 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 6: a Bobby cast. 469 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 5: Do you ever think, hey, Charlemagne helped me, Ryan helped me. 470 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 5: Who's in your roster of people that you think you. 471 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 4: Want to help? 472 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: Anybody that I feel immediate empathy for, For example, will 473 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: use Ai Ashley when she when they were attacking her. 474 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: I did not know her as fast as I could 475 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 1: have got her number and called her and I was like, 476 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: I know, this is weird, I'm calling you. 477 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 2: Go, but what you're doing now is not going to 478 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 2: be looked at in some such a crazy way. I 479 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 2: stay the course. Don't feel like it's personal. It's not. 480 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: And I would just relate with my experiences. So to 481 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: have a lot of those experiences now is my tool belt. 482 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: It's not that I was naturally gifted things. I've just 483 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: been through a bunch of crap and I feel like 484 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: that's also what I can what I can give back. 485 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: Even with Charlemagne, Like you know, the first time I 486 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 1: sent up my contract. I was like, don't still. I 487 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: thought you maybe still my identity. I don't know, not him, 488 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: but anybody don't know what I was given, but it 489 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: was not so much of Well, since somebody gave to me, 490 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: I need to give to them. 491 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 2: But I feel like. 492 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: Empathy is it's just it's the greatest weapon and understanding. 493 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: Anytime I use it with anybody else, that actually makes 494 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: me better as well, So that could even be seen 495 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: as selfish. There's a kid who got in trouble because 496 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: he played the f wort. He's not a kid, he's 497 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: an adult. Played the ef wort on a station, and 498 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: I won't throw him under the bus. It was an 499 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: interview with I think maybe Luke Combs accidentally played it. 500 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 1: I called him, didn't know him. Here's the deal, so 501 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: I here's you're in trouble for a minute, don't make 502 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 1: the minute two. This is what you do. This is 503 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: how you take your lumps. If you need help talking 504 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: to the lump givers. I'm here for you because I've 505 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: been here and done it wrong. So I think that 506 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: and then also hiring people like this. This is read 507 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: reads like twelve. I don't know what he is read 508 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: never went to school to do what he's doing now. 509 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 1: But when I met him, he was just so curious 510 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 1: and he'd already started like taking pictures and stuff. But 511 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: it's he's good enough that if the opportunity is there, 512 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: I want to allow him to be great, And so 513 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: I want to kind of bet on him and challenge 514 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: him and reward them in a way that I don't 515 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: think I was and so and read just just an example, 516 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: but I think I look for that as well, like 517 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: people that aren't traditionally coming into a place where they've 518 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: been traditionally trained, but they really want to do it. 519 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: Because to me, that's all that matters, Like are you 520 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: so curious and do you want to learn how to 521 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: do it? 522 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 2: And you want to be awesome? 523 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 1: And I'm going to be awesome to you hopefully, and 524 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: in exchange, it's gonna be an awesome relationship. 525 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 2: That's kind of how I feel. 526 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 4: Have you told him that before? 527 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so? 528 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 5: Right. 529 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 2: I try to be more even communicative. 530 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 1: My wife has made all this real, but this makes 531 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: me better where I'm like, dude, this is great, you're 532 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: killing it here. I'm so proud that you did this. 533 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: And I know he was super cure he just wanted 534 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 1: to get better. So I was like, hey, I'll put 535 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: you in school for let me pay for you to 536 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: go and learn this if you really want it. It's 537 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: what he did. He went and learned so but I 538 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't have done that had he not had like the initiative. 539 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: And there are times he screw up taking risks, but 540 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: there were also times he would take huge risks and 541 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: it would be so much better than I would ever 542 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: have even thought it was. 543 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 2: And to me, that's where it was. 544 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: So to answer that question, I think that's what I'm 545 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: trying to get better at is find folks that want 546 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: to do it that maybe haven't traditionally had the education 547 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: to do it, whatever that means, and go let me 548 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: help you, because if you want to do it, you're 549 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: gonna be great at Ituse the only reason I'm good 550 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: at anything is because I want to do it, and 551 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: I got better at it because I wanted to do it, 552 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: and now we're rocking. 553 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 5: Last question goes back to the first question. First question 554 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 5: again was do you realize you're the guy like you're 555 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 5: at the table right looking back at the whole journey. 556 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 5: You get one mulligan, one do over. Yeah, which one 557 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 5: do you take? 558 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 2: That's I mean, that's the easiest question. 559 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 4: Oh man, I went out soft. 560 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: No, you didn't go out soft because I believe that 561 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 1: every mistake that I've made I've learned something from except fruit. 562 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: And we're talking professionally because I have a personal one too, 563 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: But we're talking professionally, and I do realize that I'm 564 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: the guy, but I also realize the guy comes and 565 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: goes quick. 566 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 2: There's never going a guy that just stays the guy forever. 567 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who you are the guy whatever that means. 568 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: To the point where I and I got in a 569 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 1: little trouble with my company when I did this. But 570 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 1: I went and hired two people that didn't know each other, 571 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: didn't know what was up, and I said, hey, I 572 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: want you to listen to my show for a week. 573 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to pay you, and I want you to 574 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: write both of not both of you, but talking to 575 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: each one of them individually. I want you to write 576 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 1: a report on how you would beat me. I want 577 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: you to find every weakness if you were launching a 578 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 1: show against me in the same town the other one 579 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: to the other one, I said, if you were launching 580 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: a syndicated show against me. I want you to somebody 581 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: that I respected, I said, I want you to beat me. 582 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: I want you to tell me what kind of person 583 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: you would get, what the show would be where you 584 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: would target my vulnerabilities because we all have them, and please, 585 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to hire you to beat me. And I 586 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: com ready heard about it, and they got upset, and 587 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: I just don't think they knew what I was doing 588 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: because in the corporate world, you're there's just you have 589 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: so many things going in You're from all directions too. 590 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: But it wasn't pleasant for me for a little bit. 591 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: They're like, why are you hiring people? We have research 592 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: we have. I said, yes, and that is an excellent 593 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: tool for things for what you want the research, but 594 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: the research is on it's like forward when they're asking 595 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: about if you would have let people decide they're just 596 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,959 Speaker 1: made a better horse instead of a car. A lot 597 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: of the research we do is how to make what 598 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: we're already doing better instead of what can we do 599 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: that isn't like what we're already doing that I'm missing 600 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: on And so that's what's why I hired these people. 601 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: And and it hurt to read, but it was supposed 602 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: to right when it hurts to it's awesome to be grown, 603 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: but you were growing physically, you're twelve. It hurts, and 604 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: so I understand that the guy doesn't live along live. 605 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: What does happen is after the guy, not the guy anymore. 606 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: It was kind of cool being the guy back in 607 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: the day, and hopefully the next guy is somewhat influenced 608 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: by you. And the professional statement would be, oh, that's Eddie, 609 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: that's the other guy. Why'd you come in that door 610 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: where it's like the beeper We're in the middle of 611 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: like a serious conversation here, that's the guy right there, 612 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: that's the guy. So but my answer to that would 613 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: be professionally, it was such a put The eas tone 614 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: that costs me was gonna be six million dollars. One 615 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: million dollars was not in any way even a mess 616 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: up on my part because I got it from his audio. 617 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: I just got took it off the internet from like 618 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: an audio site. It just turns out that that tone 619 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: wasn't cleared by the FS. They hadn't fully fixed their business, 620 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: so we got punished. I just wouldn't hit it. The 621 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: bit wasn't even that big or good, and I'm like 622 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: let's do. There was a baseball game and they played 623 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: a es tone when there was like a home run 624 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: in the World Series, and I was like, how crazy 625 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: would it be? Another life events that just happened. I 626 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: didn't think about the big and I was like, that's 627 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: one small step, sh don't I was just saying, what 628 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: if other events had been cut off by that? It 629 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: was thirty seconds, I would go back and go not 630 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: worth it, not worth the trouble, and not worth anything. 631 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: That's my big regret professionally. Also, I think I probably 632 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: at times there was a CEO from a certain company 633 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: that when I was coming to Nashville, he was like, Hey, 634 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: that's not gonna work. You're not going to thrive there, 635 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: and when you don't thrive, you can come work for 636 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,959 Speaker 1: me in Tampa. And I was a bit insulted by that, 637 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: but I think negatively and I didn't. I think that 638 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: created a little bull in a china shop in a 639 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: way that I wish maybe wouldn't have been so china shop. 640 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 6: You. 641 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: I'd like to be a bull in the arena more 642 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: than a china shop. So I regret kind of how 643 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: I handled that, but I think at least I learn 644 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: from that. 645 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 5: You have this way about you where you're motivated by. 646 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 4: Truth and doubt. 647 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, fear right. 648 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 649 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 5: When you said to them, I want you to beat 650 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 5: me up and grade me, you were looking for the 651 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 5: trainers screaming at you, telling you you're weak, you can't 652 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 5: lift this, but only because I want to get better, 653 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 5: only because you want to get better. 654 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 4: Same thing with this guy. 655 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 5: So I think that your fuel is actually generated by you. 656 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 5: And I think a lot of times people expect other 657 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 5: people to generate their inertia and you're doing it yourself, 658 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 5: which I. 659 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 4: Think is awesome. 660 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 2: Which is awesome, it also. 661 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: Sucks equal yeah, because I and I'll end on this, 662 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: and I think it's it's even unfair to somebody like 663 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: Morgan number one, who it's been with me the forever, 664 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: Like she's here and she's that, uh, professionally the most 665 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: consistent thing that I've had. I was speaking at a 666 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: college and she was in the class, and I was like, 667 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: who wants to intern? And she's like, I do, And 668 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: so she interned and then show a lot of initiative. 669 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: I was like, well, I gotta Getjohn somehow. She was 670 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: like my assistant for a little bit. We're just trying 671 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: to find ways AutoZone. We were autozoning it, like we 672 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: mentioned the first one. Then she became executive producer of 673 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: the show, the radio show Climbing Up through a sister producer. 674 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: Then she went over to my management side and was managing. 675 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: She still does my all, and then now she's head 676 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: of the president of the podcast network. But sometimes I 677 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: won't be like, Hey, I'm working so hard, why are 678 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: you guys not running up beside me? But I've created 679 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: that culture of doing everything myself and then sometimes being like, hey, 680 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: why aren't you doing So it's definitely a bit on 681 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: both ends. It's awesome because I do control it. I 682 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: do invest a lot in it, But sometimes it's negative 683 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: because I have disappointment in people that I shouldn't have 684 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: because they don't deserve it. Yeah, but you know, the 685 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: show is baby, as they say. That's how we end 686 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: every podcast, except not one time when we were into 687 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: it like that and Eddie threw us off by coming 688 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: in beeping the dangle arm. Did I not say come 689 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: in the wood door. I've been doing that on that podcast. 690 00:31:59,400 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 4: What that? 691 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 5: Man? 692 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 2: Phil? Thank you man, You are awesome. 693 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: And my dream scenario is one day you can just 694 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: tell me either what to do or why you think 695 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: I'm doing is not the way to do it, because 696 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: I think you are. I've told my CFO and CEO 697 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: many times if this guy's ever opened, we have to 698 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: hire him immediately, and if anything, that should get you 699 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: a raised when your next deal comes up at Alpha. 700 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: But I am a big fan Alpha Media too, because you've 701 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: taken a risk on me and your stations there, so 702 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: I know you have to fly home and see your 703 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: wife and kids and stuff. I thank you very much 704 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: for being and doing this this deal with me than 705 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: you guys go philosophis this podcast at phil Becker Media, 706 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: and that is all. 707 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 6: Goodbye, Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production