1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. We bring in the commissioner the NBA, Adam Silver, Commissioner. 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: How are you this morning? Hey Dan, I'm great. How 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: are you? What game are you going to tonight? Just 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: watching on TV tonight. I was wondering if where you 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: went to school, how that affected you as far as 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: wanting to do this job or being involved in the NBA. 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: Because you go to Duke and then the University of 9 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: Chicago Duke in the early eighties and then Chicago University 10 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,319 Speaker 1: of Chicago when Michael Jordan gets to town. How much 11 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: of an impact did that have on you wanting to 12 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: do this? Such an interesting question. Duke had a huge 13 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: impact on me wanted to do this, I'd say when 14 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: I went down to Duke, I grew up in New York. 15 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: I was a Knicks fan growing up, but I wasn't 16 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: a huge college basketball fan. And then when I got 17 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: to Duke, it was coach K's first year in nineteen 18 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: eighty and at least then, I mean, the good and 19 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: bad news was the teams weren't great. You didn't have 20 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: to sleep outside and paint your face to go to 21 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: a game, so it suited me well, but I really 22 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: fell in love with the program there and then you're 23 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: exactly right. Then I went to University of Chicago Law school. 24 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: Michael had come a few years earlier. I think I 25 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: got there and eighty five, so right around the same 26 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: time Michael came. And again same thing. You know, Michael 27 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 1: was a phenom, but they weren't winning in those early years. 28 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: You could just go to the old Bull Stadium, you know, 29 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: ten minutes before the game, buy a ticket and go. 30 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: So used to go with my law school friends and 31 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: so and that. I remember early days there are the Bulls. 32 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: You thought you were experiencing something pre Internet everything else 33 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: that no one else sort of understood. Like you felt 34 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: like you were in the special club watching Michael Jordan 35 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: and those teams. So, you know, and even then, I'll say, though, 36 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: when I then finished law school, worked for a judge, 37 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: worked at a law firm in New York. It never 38 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: occurred to me that I'd have a career in sports. 39 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: But then you went to NBA Entertainment. I So what 40 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: happened was I had been practicing law for a couple 41 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: of years, and David Stern had worked at the same 42 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: law firm my father had worked it. I didn't know him, 43 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: and I wrote him a letter, not thinking I would 44 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: work at the NBA, but asking for advice on how 45 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: to transition from being a lawyer into doing something else. 46 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: I was actually most interested in media. I one of 47 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: the clients of our law firm was HBO and I 48 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: was spending a lot of time working on media cases. 49 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: And David ended up meeting with me, you know, pre email, 50 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: old fashioned letter saying dear Commissioner Stern. I ended up 51 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: meeting with him a month or so later. He gave 52 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: me some advice, and then several months after that, his 53 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: assistant called me and he said and said, if you 54 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: have time, you'd like to see you. I've said, of course, 55 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: And I didn't understand what we were he had in 56 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: mind when we first met, but as it turned out, 57 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: he wanted to hire an assistant. So that was my 58 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: first job as the special assistant to the Commissioner. And 59 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: that was nineteen ninety two. How many days in before 60 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: he yelled at you half half a day I was 61 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: there at one time he wanted to meet and he 62 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: was in another part of his office and I heard 63 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: him yelling, like at the top of his lungs and 64 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and I'm going, oh my god, I'm 65 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: in trouble. He came out and he would go those 66 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: bleeping contractors. Because I'm trying to get work done at 67 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: my house. He goes, hey, Patrick, how are you? I'm going, 68 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: oh my god. Like he just snapped right into just 69 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: being a normal, regular guy. No one was immune. I 70 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: think he would have made it about fifteen minutes and 71 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: with a modern HR department, but he was. He was 72 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: equal opportunity, whether it was his contractor or an NBA owner. 73 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: That's who he was. I mean, he brought a lot 74 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: of passion everything. I miss him every day, but it 75 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: was a different time, you know. And then CEO's commissioners. 76 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: I mean it was a full frontal assault being yelled 77 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: at by David. It literally, like not physically, he wasn't 78 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: that big a guy, but he was broad shouldered and 79 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: it would knock you back when he would yell. Were 80 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: you involved in the Last Dance the Jordan documentary? I 81 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: was very involved In fact, m I was the president 82 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: of MBA Entertainment during Michael's last season on the Bulls. 83 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: When we went to first Jerry Reinsdorf and then Phil 84 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: Jackson to get permission to do that, and then I 85 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: was the one sent to convince Michael our what our 86 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: agreement was at the time, and we knew each other 87 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: well because I was head of MBA Entertainment, was let's 88 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: on a handshake, agree to allow us to be a 89 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 1: fly on the wall, and I'll commit to you that 90 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: this footage in those days it was film, and you 91 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: know NBA Entertainment out in Secaucus. Will will physically keep 92 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: it in a different place in our library and we'll 93 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: never use it unless we jointly agree we can do 94 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: something with it, and so we and then of course 95 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: then he retired, he came back at one point. We 96 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: had many conversations over the years with different potential directors, 97 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: and he never quite warmed up to making it. And then, 98 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: you know, whenever that was five years ago or so 99 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: that some of his long time colleagues, Curtis Polk, ste 100 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 1: Portnoy others went to him and said, it's time. There's 101 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: a there's a generation out there who understand you as 102 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: a brand, and you have shoes and you know Jordan 103 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: Brand and all that, but but never understood who you 104 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: were and what you brought to the game and I 105 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: and I think that moved him and ultimately we went 106 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: out hired new director, sort of joint production with a group, 107 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: and obviously then ESPN in the middle of the you know, pandemic, 108 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: you know, accelerated it recognized there was an opportunity that 109 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: it went to Netflix. But you know it, it was 110 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: a fascinating process over many years to make that documentary. 111 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: And by the way, then when we made it, there 112 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: was no one had suggested a documentary back then or 113 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: presentation was more than two hours. You know, it was unhurt, 114 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: right you you followed someone for a year, but like 115 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: a documentary, and the only real outlets back then it 116 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 1: was HBO, you know, maybe some sort of film festival 117 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: or something for a documentary. Maybe it would go to 118 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: home video. But it was a two hour essentially, maybe 119 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: two and a half hour presentation. And it wasn't until 120 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: years and years later that people had the sense that 121 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: you could do multi parts ten hours, twelve hours or 122 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: whatever else. I mean that nobody, as you know, thought 123 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: in those terms back then. But I'm a conspiracy theorist here. 124 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: It felt like the timing of this Lebron had just 125 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: won another championship, and it felt like, let's let's and 126 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: you know how competitive Jordan is, let's remind everybody of 127 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,239 Speaker 1: why I'm the greatest of all time. And it comes 128 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: out at the time that Lebron wins a championship. So 129 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: let me present that storyline to you, Commissioner. Uh. You know, 130 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: I don't think Michael's immune from hearing about other potential 131 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 1: goats out there. You know. You know it was never 132 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: said directly, but I think there's has to be a 133 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: part of him that as he's watching the game today 134 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: and the way he approached it, the way he approached 135 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: you know, every minute of every game, the number of 136 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: minutes he played. He had seasons where he averaged forty 137 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: over forty minutes. You know, I remember in those days, 138 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: you know again because I was at me entertainment and 139 00:07:55,360 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: doing the television stuff, that he felt an obligate to 140 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: play every game. Yeah, I mean he knew, not just 141 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: for a television audience, but he knew and every time 142 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: he played, there were families, there were others who had 143 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: saved their money, potentially scalped the ticket in those days, 144 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: as they called it, to see Michael Jordan play. And 145 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: I think he personally felt that it weighed heavily on him. 146 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,239 Speaker 1: Maybe there were even times he played that maybe doctors 147 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: didn't want him to play, but as you know, it 148 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: was a different time. But you know, I look at 149 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: Zion Williamson this year. Let's go back to Michael's second 150 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: year where he breaks his foot. He wouldn't he wouldn't 151 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: play in today's NBA. Right the Celtics series, which I 152 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: think was the coming out party for Michael Jordan, was 153 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: that series in the Garden when he put up sixty three. 154 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: That wouldn't have happened. And I know that you you know, 155 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: we're trying to incentivize and what do you do to 156 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: get players to play more games? And Mike would have 157 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: been held out probably the whole season I'm going to 158 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: imagine in today's NBA. I think that's right. I mean, 159 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: and I'll just say, you got to find the right 160 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: balance because there's also players, former great players who you 161 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: and I both know, who are somewhat hobbled today because 162 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: maybe they played at times they shouldn't have. So you know, 163 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: I think your word incentives are the right is the 164 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: right one, because I think there are situations today where, 165 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: even aside from injuries, where you know, load management as 166 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: they call it these days, there are where perfectly healthy players. 167 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: Somebody at a team can tell you on November fifteenth 168 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: that on January nineteenth, this player will not be playing 169 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: in this game because our program suggests that would not 170 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: be good for his health. And I think that it's 171 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: more of an art than people acknowledge. Sometimes there's a 172 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: suggests it's pure science and we know will reduce injuries 173 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: by a player not playing in that game. Now, of course, 174 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: if you arguably if you played fewer games, maybe decreases 175 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: the likelihood that you get injured. But it's the right 176 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: balance because players understand it's a business too. They're entertainers. Yes, 177 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: people who are rooting for that team want that team 178 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: to optimize that player on the floor and not overdo it. 179 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: But at the same time, these guys are paid an 180 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: enormous amount of money to play this game, and it's 181 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: a little out of skew right now, there's no question, 182 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: and I think it's I mentioned it the other day 183 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: when I was doing some media about what it is 184 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: we need to do working with the Players Association to 185 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: create greater incentives for guys to play a full compliment 186 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: of games. But not push to that point where as 187 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: maybe happened in the old days where guys truly felt 188 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: they needed to play through actual injuries and maybe shorten 189 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: their careers. And well, what about minimum games to be 190 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: eligible for postseason honors. I think that's a good idea. 191 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: I think that's something we should look at. I think 192 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: that would be a way to incentivize guys. I think 193 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: there's an expectation that if you are going to be 194 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: an MVP or whatever the whatever, that award is even 195 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: first team, second team, third team NBA. Sure, I agree 196 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: with you. I think it's a good suggestion. I think 197 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: it's something we're going to be going into collective bargaining 198 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: fairly soon, and and my senses it's something that in 199 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: the aggregate, most players would think is a good idea too. 200 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: I mean, the conversation we're having is not all that 201 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 1: different than the one I have with individual players. I mean, 202 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: I think they're fans of the game, they want to 203 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: see guys on the floor, and in fairness to the players, 204 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: in many cases, it's the teams. These load management programs 205 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: are coming from our teams, not the players. So it's 206 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: often a trainer who is saying to a player. And 207 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: by the way, I've had this conversation with Michael Michael Jordan, 208 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: and you know, he thought at the time that he 209 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 1: was more likely to get injured if he sat out 210 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: a game. Like he thought like if he got out 211 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: of his rhythm, that that might lead to an injury. 212 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 1: So well, he felt that obligation to the fans. And 213 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: what was different too in those days there were games 214 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: and every game didn't get the scrutiny you got now. 215 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: But maybe it was a game that certainly wasn't on 216 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: national television, less important competitively, but he would start, They 217 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: may take him out, he'd start the third quarter. But 218 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: for a fan who was there tuning in or in 219 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: that arena, maybe their only chance to see Michael Jordan, 220 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: he made sure that he was on the floor. We're 221 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: talking to the NBA commissioner, Adam Silver. We got games 222 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: coming up tonight. You got the Hawks at the Cavaliers, 223 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: Pelicans at the Clippers. All right, this is something I'm 224 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: sure that you have not been addressed, or have addressed 225 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: or been bothered by, but it bothers me. Do we 226 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: just decide now that you can't carry the basketball palm, 227 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: the basketball in the NBA like we've moved on that 228 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: you're allowed to do that, Commissioner, interesting, you should ask, 229 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: so I've I've had this conversation with Monty McCutcheon, who's 230 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: the head of officiating, and one it's the players cover 231 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: so much ground now, they're so skilled. It's a tough 232 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: call to make. First of all, I think it may 233 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: be that the rule needs to be changed because the 234 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: way the rule is now written is that you can't 235 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: put your hand under the ball, completely under the ball, 236 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: or bring it to a pause. I think in some cases, 237 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: if you really broke it down, the player's hand is 238 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: actually on the side of the ball, not under the ball, 239 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: and that crossover happens so quickly and there's no pause. 240 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if technically I don't think palmming is 241 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: the word in our rule book, but I don't think 242 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: as you and I are describing it, that it's technically 243 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: a violation. There's no doubt our officials miss it sometimes, 244 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: but I know that plenty of fans when I'm in 245 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: the seats will say to me, isn't that pumping They're 246 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 1: going like this now? Our officials are looking to see, 247 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: are looking for the pause and they're looking to see. 248 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: I think, you know, clearly if there's that so called 249 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: frozen moment, they should be calling it. But but it 250 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: is an area of attention for our officiating. I know 251 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: it's the little things that bother me. Commissioner Um, what 252 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: would expansion hinge on? I saw where Seattle's mayor talked about, 253 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: you know, sources or Las Vegas is a possibility. What like, 254 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: what would be the time frame? What would hinge on 255 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: expanding if there's there's no clear sort of benchmark to 256 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: get there? You know, part of it is that I 257 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: think a sense of the governors that the owners of 258 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: the teams as to theirs, you know, their view of 259 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: when it makes sense to grow the enterprise. I mean 260 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: to me, there's two core issues. One is the economics, 261 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: of course, and that if you expand the way I 262 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: think of the league, the thirty teams, they're thirty shareholders, 263 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: and you're really selling equity. If you just, let's say 264 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: we were expand by an even number, then extent you're 265 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: growing things get divided one thirty second instead of one thirtieth, 266 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: and so then it's the time value of money if 267 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: you whatever the values you get for that expansion team. 268 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: What's the cost of that equity that you're selling in 269 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: the value of it. So that's one way we look 270 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: at it. I think the other is the competition on 271 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: the floor. And what's interesting in this league is that 272 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: even where like another global sports soccer, where there's multiple 273 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: great leagues around the world in Bundesliga League, the English 274 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: Premier League, all top notch leagues. In basketball, everyone would 275 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: acknowledge there's one league at the top of the pyramid globally, 276 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: it's the NBA. Yet even with all the very best 277 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: players in the world coming to this league, a game 278 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: played by tens of millions of kids around the world, 279 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: you still don't have the kind of competitive parody that 280 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: we would like. You and I both know. You could 281 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: start the season and you could say there's a large 282 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: group of teams that in all likelihood aren't going to 283 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: win the championship, or if you looked at a Vegas 284 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: board or something, you'd see where the odds are and 285 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: if you expand and you you're deluding talent even more so, 286 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: that is a factor we look at and and and 287 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: I think it's it's in the part of the mindset 288 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: of the existing teams how that will work. Having said 289 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: all that, I think enterprises naturally grow over time, and 290 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: there's no doubt Seattle would be a great market. Las 291 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: Vegas would be a great market. Um, there's there's state 292 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: of the art arenas. It's you know, in both those communities, 293 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: and so we'll look at it. It's interestingly it's it's 294 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: not on the front burner for our league right now. 295 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: And and also we're going to go through a new 296 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: collective bargaining negotiation. I also there's a lot of uncertainty 297 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: in the media world right now. Um, all these new 298 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: streaming platforms potentially interested in sports, so it's it's hard 299 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: to set the right value. I think that's something we're 300 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: going to monitor as well. So nothing will happen in 301 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: the short or medium term, but we'll turn back to 302 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: it at some point. Great to catch up with you, 303 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: Good luck in the postseason, and thanks for joining us 304 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: as always. Yeah, thank you. Dan. Be sure to catch 305 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: the live edition of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at 306 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: nine am Eastern six am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 307 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: and the iHeart Radio Wapp mel kiper draft expert joining 308 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: us on the program. Mel I was just talking about 309 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: the Packers bringing in Sammy Watkins. Does that change anything 310 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,959 Speaker 1: they do in the first round. Well, I think they 311 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: needed three receivers Dan going into the draft, I had 312 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: them taken a couple, one in the first one and 313 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: the second. I still think they attack it that way. 314 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: Sammy as a veteran. Obviously they need some young receivers 315 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: coming into this program, and this is a great draft 316 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: for wide receivers. Dan would basically into the fifth, sixth round. 317 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,719 Speaker 1: There you're gonna find guys that can help you. So 318 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: I gave him I thought two really good ones in 319 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 1: Christian Watson and Alec Pierce. Guys with length, they can 320 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: come in, smart kids that can come in and help 321 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 1: them right away. For Aaron Rodgers. So I still think 322 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 1: because of the best position in this draft and the 323 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: deepest being wide receiver, you got to take advantage of 324 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: if you're the Packers. So I think they will despite 325 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 1: that move, I think they're gonna at least say two, 326 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: maybe three receivers selected over the seven rounds. Is that 327 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: the position where you feel like throughout, as you said, 328 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: first five rounds, that if you didn't get one in 329 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: the first or second, that you could get value in 330 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: the third or fourth or fifth round. I believe you 331 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: can a slot ny, Dan, Calvin Austin the third is 332 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: not only fast, but he catches the football consistently. He's 333 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: got punt return ability. He's a little bit like Hollywood Brown, 334 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: who while he was a first round pick, Calvin Austin 335 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: the third will probably be a third round pick. Wandale 336 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: Robinson from Kentucky formerly If Nebraska's an electrifying kid slot guy, 337 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: he will probably be a third or fourth round or 338 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: Khalil Shaker from Boise States. In another one, an underrated 339 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: guy I think is Isaiah Weston from Northern Iowa. I 340 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: mentioned Alec Pierson the second round, a kid with lane 341 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: with great athletic ability, round four four average over seventeen yards, 342 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,959 Speaker 1: a catch, mechanical engineering major. You know, athletic family. I mean, 343 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 1: are these are some really good players? Dan, You normally 344 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: would never see in a second or a round of 345 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: a draft, but this year you will. Who are you 346 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: still trying to figure out? Is there a player? Yes, 347 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: there's a few. In fact, that's a great question, Dan, 348 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: because I don't get that question that often. But they're 349 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: always guys that you just don't know, you really can't 350 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: figure out. And then you know, those are guys you 351 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: just don't draft if you're a team because if you 352 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: can't figure them out, if you come to the conclusion, 353 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: we don't know what type of player this player or 354 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: this kid will be, we don't know how he fits, 355 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: I'll go right to Trayvon Walker at Georgia. Trayvon could 356 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: be the first second third pick in this draft. People 357 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 1: are still talking about him, is going maybe going number one. 358 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: So again, here's a kid who had nine and a 359 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: half career sacks, thirteen career tackles for loss, had a 360 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: ton of hurries. He was disruptive. But then the finishing 361 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: numbers aren't there, the versatilities there, They moved them around. 362 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: I didn't see the quickness outside. I saw the quickness 363 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: more inside. So you look at the numbers compared to 364 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: you know, Miles, Garrett Clowney, the boast of brothers. It's 365 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: not even close in the production during their career over 366 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: the same time period. So you're betting on the talent, 367 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: which is awesome him six five to seventy, incredible athletic ability, 368 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: incredible speed, great kid. You're betting on a coach in 369 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: the NFL. That's why they have coached before their name, 370 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: getting the most out of a Treyvon walk or figuring 371 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: out where what position he's going to maximize that ability at, 372 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: and then taking a kid who he said nine and 373 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: a half career sacks, thirteen career tackle swaws and turning 374 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: him in against the best lineman in the world into 375 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: a guy who can be a double digit sack guy 376 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: in one season. That's going to be a challenge for 377 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: the team to dress him. And I think another kid 378 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: that is definitely tough to evaluate based on you know 379 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: where he is in terms of the smaller with one 380 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 1: double as Trevor Penning. I like Trevor Penning, but he's 381 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: got to improve. He's got to get more bend. He 382 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: can't be as aggressive as he was going after people 383 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: after the whistle. He's got to settle down a bit, 384 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: improve his technique if he's going to be a left 385 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: tackle coming out of Northern Iowa, and a lot of 386 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 1: people think, and I do think he can go sixteen 387 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: in New Orleans or seventeen to the Charger. So a 388 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: ton of talent. I love the nastiest I love the 389 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: fire he plays with, but I think he's got to 390 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: settle down a bit and certainly as they improved that 391 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: technique to be a great pass blocker from the tackle 392 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: position in the NFL. I talked to his scout and 393 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: I asked him about Malik Willis, and he said, He's 394 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 1: a tough read for me because he did well against 395 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: competition where he was the best athlete on the field, 396 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: but when he wasn't the best athlete on the field, 397 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: he struggled a little bit. So how do you grade 398 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: rationalize what Willis did at Liberty? I think this now. 399 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: I think the first part of the season last year, 400 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: he looked like a top five pick, maybe a number 401 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: one pick. Overall. The second half he was making some 402 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: bad decisions and some bad throws. He had interceptions against 403 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: Middle Tennessee State, three three against Louisiana Monroe, and he struggled. Obviously, 404 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: he knew the team would struggle against Old Miss. In 405 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: that game, though, Dan he drew the respect of the 406 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: Rebel defensive players. Chance Campbell heck of a linebacker. Come 407 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: out an Old Miss played to my high school. Calvert 408 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: Hall was great player. Chances one of the football IQ 409 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: through the roof. He's like a defensive coordinator on the field. 410 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: He went right up to Malik Willis after that game 411 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: and said, what you are deceptively fast or actively strong, 412 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: You're a great player. I really respect the talent you have. 413 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: And he was just amazing. He sai, I couldn't run 414 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: and chance can run. Chances is the four five And 415 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: he said, this kid is fast, he's powerful. You know, 416 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: he's got that compact frame, tough to bring to the ground. 417 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: In the Senior Bolt Dan, they had the ball like 418 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 1: the forty yard line and that was when then the 419 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: first quarter when it was like the end of the half. 420 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: So he starts running. They say, okay, why are you're running? Okay, 421 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: you gotta get a touchdown here. You just throw it 422 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:26,719 Speaker 1: up for grabs, right, you try to get it. He 423 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: almost rand In Chad Muma from Wyoming tackled him at 424 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: the five yard line or he would have taken him 425 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: from the forty end when that last play of that quarter. 426 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: So he's a talent, he's got a great, tremendous character. Yes, 427 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: you know, is he NFL ready? Now? He needs a 428 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: little work. Possibly. We always say that about everybody. And 429 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: sometimes the guy should think are an NFL ready? Turn 430 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: out to be some guys, you think the guys that 431 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: the NFL. Are NFL ready do nothing, Josh Rosen being 432 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: one of them. So to me, Dan, somebody's gonna take 433 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: him high. I'm going to Caroline at six. We'll see. 434 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 1: He's gonna be a fun one to watch because Pittsburgh 435 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 1: sits at twenty and there's still people out there to 436 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: think he could slide down to twenty to Mike Tomlin 437 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: and the Steelers, and Pittsburgh you have taking Kenny Pickett 438 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: if pick hats still left there on the board. We're 439 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: talking to mel kiper draft expert. I'm also wondering when 440 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: you when you first started this hit the Mother's Ship, 441 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: you were saying where you thought players were going to go, 442 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: or you were great, you were grating them. It wasn't 443 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: you changed in where you thought the team, what the 444 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: teams were going to do? Do I have that right 445 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: the time frame? Yeah? I think, Dan, what you always 446 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: tried to do and I did this when I put 447 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,239 Speaker 1: out the draft reports back in seventy eight, seventy nine, 448 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: eighty and all those years, I always had a mock 449 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: first round, right, which was trying to predict what teams 450 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: would do. And I always had a first round based 451 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: on what I would do if I were the GM 452 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: as we moved through the draft, and Todd and I 453 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: are going to do that, We're gonna do a three 454 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: round rotate, rotating through. Todd makes a pick, I make 455 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: the pick for that team based on who's available and 456 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: what we would do, not trying to match what's going 457 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: to happen come April twenty eighth. So but it was confusing. 458 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: The people said, Okay, I don't get it. Well, this 459 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: is what I would do, and this is what the 460 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: teams will do. But it was confusing to an extent. 461 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: So the mock drafts are strictly trying to match what 462 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: teams will do come April twenty eighth. The ratings board. 463 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 1: Did I have my big board up on ESPN dot 464 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: com every week, updated every couple of weeks. That's strictly 465 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: my feeling. DAN has nothing to do with where I 466 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: don't great players based on where they're going to be drafted. 467 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: I great them based on ability, So stack them up. 468 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: Whatever happens happens. That has nothing to do with trying 469 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: to figure out a mock draft and where kids may go. 470 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: How did you have Baker Mayfield ranked coming out of Okloma? 471 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: He was right I had Josh Allen had one of 472 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 1: the highest praise I ever gave a quarterback. I had 473 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: him number one. I had Sam two, and I had 474 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: met Mayfield right after that. So it was Josh Allen's 475 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: draft for me. I thought Josh Allen I predicted even 476 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 1: the morning of the draft. I thought he would go 477 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: number one. I thought the Cleveland Browns would take Josh Allen. Uh. Yeah, 478 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: I'd heard that wasn't necessarily gonna be Sam done. I 479 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: did not think that that was one of the curveballs. 480 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: It's fun to get Dan. I remember the morning of 481 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: the draft, everybody say it's gonna be Baker Mayfield. I 482 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: did not see that coming, and I said, I I 483 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: had a mock draft team at that morn at Josh 484 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: Allen going number one. He was my highest rated. He 485 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: was one of my top ten highest rated quarterbacks of 486 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: all time. So I did. He ended up being the 487 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: third quarterback taken that year. So it just was a surprise. 488 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: It was a Baker had moved from a third round 489 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: picked in August way up. Didn't think it would be 490 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: number one overall, but it was. I'll tell you what, Dan, 491 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: I think he's getting unfair criticism I think it's totally 492 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,479 Speaker 1: unfin understand the commercials and getting all the pup Hey, 493 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: who wouldn't take advantage of it as somebody comes to 494 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,239 Speaker 1: you and says, hey, there's some commercial opportunities to take them, right, 495 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: But to criticize Baker Mayfield after this year based on 496 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: the pain and what he went through with that offensive line, 497 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: injured running backs, injured receiver issues of Beckham traded to 498 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: criticize Mayfield based on this year when he almost had 499 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 1: that team in the Super Bowl two years ago and 500 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: played great football. I don't understand it. I can't rationalize that. 501 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 1: I can't figure it out. Dan. It makes absolutely no 502 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: sense to me. But he's taking it personally, and he 503 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: says he's disrespected. This is a business mill, and I 504 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: think Baker would be better served just not saying anything. 505 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: You know that he's the star. I you know, I'm 506 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: a star at Oklahoma. I'm the number one overall pick. 507 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 1: And you know, you can't believe that it's like marriage, 508 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: you know, until death do us part. Well, people get 509 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: divorced all the time, and that's what happened in the NFL. 510 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: A younger or better player came along and they decided 511 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: they fell in love with Deshaun Watson. It's not fair, 512 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: but that's that's what happens. And it just feels like 513 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: playing the victim doesn't help him. If I'm a team 514 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: looking at him, unless I go, man, he's got a 515 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder, he's going to be balling out 516 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: this year. I still worry about that. I'm a star 517 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 1: and I was disrespected by the by the Cleveland Browns. Yeah, 518 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: I guess it could have been handled a little bit differently, 519 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: but kids react in a way, and it's it's it's 520 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: becomes personal. Your quarterback, Dan, you're the face of the organization. 521 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: Everybody's talking about you and the only candle. I guess 522 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: so much, and I think he felt like, hey, yeah, 523 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: I deserved a little more than that I got. I 524 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 1: paid if I played through a significant pain. Let's face 525 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: at Van. It's not the right shoulder, but the left 526 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: affects the right and everything. When if everything would have 527 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: been perfect around him and he's playing through pain, maybe 528 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: has a better chance to have some more success. But 529 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: when you have everything around you go awry and you're 530 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: playing through significant pain and you're gutting it out and 531 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: everybody's saying your garbage, you trash, You're not very good, 532 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: You're terrible. I don't understand why you don't look at 533 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: it and say, Okay, realistically, he can't be great this year. 534 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: There's no way he could be as good as he 535 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: was two years ago. Why we expecting him to be 536 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: what he was when he couldn't be that, and then 537 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: rip him for everything he's saying here and there. You know, 538 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: I can't believe Baker Mayfield still out there and doesn't 539 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: have a team. I just can't not believe it. Somebody's 540 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: gonna get this kid, and I think he may have 541 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: the last laugh in this He's gonna come in. He's 542 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,719 Speaker 1: always had a chip, and his chip is bigger right 543 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 1: now and it's ever been banned. So but I said, 544 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: I did not ad him as the one or two quarterback. 545 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: But I'm defending Baker because two years ago he looked 546 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: like the real deal, and he was when he was 547 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: healthy and that team was operating on all cylinders. And 548 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: this year it's just I think it's I don't get it, 549 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: and I don't get it with a lot of players 550 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 1: at quarterback who they expect way too much from despite 551 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: what's going on around them. Which platimes isn't very good. 552 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: I came in the Monday of draft week and I 553 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: didn't even tell my guys. I said, I got breaking 554 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: news and it's going to blow you away. And so 555 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: I had a great source on this, and he says 556 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: to me on Sunday night, he said, the Browns are 557 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: going to take Baker Mayfield. Oh my god. And so 558 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: I come in and I say to my guys at 559 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: like nine oh two, I didn't even tell him prior 560 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: to the show. I said, I want your reaction. I said, 561 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: I know who the Cleveland Browns are going to take. 562 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: And then they guessed who the Browns were going to take, 563 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: and I said Baker Mayfield. And everybody was like what. 564 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: And I was with you because I know Seattle was 565 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: really interested in trading up to get maybe the rights 566 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: to Josh Allen and be able to draft him with Cleveland. 567 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: And I thought, Okay, I like Baker. He's entertaining. I 568 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: just don't think he's the number one overall pick. But 569 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: I do agree with you he's not garbage. But let 570 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: me ask you this, would you rather have equal pay 571 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: both healthy Jimmy Garoppolo or Baker Mayfield. I would rather 572 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: have Baker Mayfield. Um, I just think I think Baker 573 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: at his age where he is, what he showed. I 574 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: love the competitiveness of Baker. The players, I mean, he 575 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: can't not like the way he plays the game. Like 576 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: I said this past year, I'm gonna give the mulligan 577 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: for I'm definitely gonna do that. So I think when 578 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: you look at it, Dan, what's fun? And to go 579 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: back to like you were talking about the mock draft 580 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: and what you heard, that's what I don't particularly like 581 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: about what I do, what we all do now, it's 582 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: become a mock draft nation, right, and it's everything and 583 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: what happens here. This is what happens to me. And 584 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: I know Todd has talked about it a a little bit too. 585 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: We sit there and Daniel, Jeremy, everybody. We sit there 586 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: and Mike Mayacu Steven say it. Mike would say it 587 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: to me. We sit there on draft day and we're 588 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: worrying about what do we do? We mock it right? 589 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: Do we have it right? What's happening? And you're so 590 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: preoccupied with your diagon mock And I even will come 591 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: Dan during a draft, I don't even know a player 592 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: was taking it would be in the fifth round of 593 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: Day three, and I'll be talking about a kid that 594 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: I thought went to a team because I mocked them 595 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: there and he didn't go to that And even a 596 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: day later after the drafts over, I'll still be thinking 597 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: about this player bean with this team because I kept 598 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: hearing Dan mock drafts really screw your mind up, I 599 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: really do. I know I'm kind of done with them, 600 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: but I've got they just occupy way too much of 601 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: my thought process during the course of the season, and 602 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: way too much even right now. All Right, we have 603 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: a bet in studio that a quarterback will be selected 604 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: in the top thirteen picks. Okay, what do you think 605 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: I would agree? How many quarterbacks in the two? One? 606 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: I would say one Kenny will be I think it's 607 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: gonna be interesting. Dan Carolina trades down from six or 608 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: they stay at six. Do they get and they feel 609 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: like we have two quarterbacks we really like. There's all 610 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,959 Speaker 1: the talk about Matt Role recruited Kenny Peckett. He loves 611 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: Kenny Peckett. Maybe organizationally, we'll see about Malake Woods. They 612 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: moved down for Garna. One of these two. I've always 613 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: believe you got to identify one. This is our guy, 614 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: if you like to fine, I said, when the Eli 615 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: Manning and Roethlisberger and Rivers came out, I thought it'd 616 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: all be really good. You could be happy with which 617 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: was want it fell to you? Well, which one fell Ben, 618 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: Roethlisberger fell right justin Herbert fell to the Chargers. Josh 619 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: Allen sell them Buffalo went and got him. So the 620 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: point being, I think in this particular draft, the quarterback 621 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: that falls time sometimes sends out to be better than 622 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: the one that goes higher. It'll be interesting to see 623 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: how this all shakes down. I went and put Willis. 624 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: Some people are sticking a todd head pick it going six. 625 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: I have Willis, but I do think one of the 626 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: quarterbacks goes in the top thirteen. Always great to talk 627 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: to you. Your best day has always fun. And the 628 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: questions you ask guys one question uske I'd never have 629 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: gotten who's the toughest, Who are the tough guys to evaluate? 630 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: So then it's the first for me. You did it. 631 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: You're at the top of the board. Pell Fox Sports 632 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. 633 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: Catch all of our shows at Fox sports radio dot 634 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: Com and within the iHeartRadio app search f SR to 635 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: listen live. I'm George Reister, host of the Rister or 636 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: Wrong Hidcast. This is the intersection where sports, business, society 637 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: and pop culture beat the truth absolute fire on Mondays, 638 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: Wednesdays and Fridays. Facts only. Make sure you check your 639 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: feelings at the door, because nobs is allowed. We keep 640 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,959 Speaker 1: at one hundred. This is where real conversations happen. Listen 641 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: to the Rights or Wrong podcasts on the iHeartRadio, Apple 642 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. The actor, comedian, screenwriter, 643 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: musician producer John c Riley speaking of the Lakers winning time. 644 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: The Rise of the Lakers Dynasty airs new episodes Sunday 645 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: at nine Eastern on HBO, also available to stream on 646 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: HBO Max and John c Riley joins, us, Now, you 647 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: know you're from Chicago. How much pressure is there on 648 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: you to be a Chicago or a be a Laker 649 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:01,959 Speaker 1: fan being from Chicago. Well, you know, I having got 650 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: a great answer to that question. I followed Phil Jackson. 651 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: So when Phil left the Bulls, I was like, all right, 652 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: I'm going with the sense and luckily he went to 653 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: another great team. How big of a Bulls fan, were you, 654 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, to tell you the truth sports in general, Like, 655 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: I get interested in sports and when I know all 656 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: the characters. You know, when I understand the drama of 657 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: the moment and I understand what the backstory is, when 658 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: the when the you know, I'm not a great early 659 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: season fan in other words, but when things get hectic 660 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: and you know, exciting, and I know what the personalities are, 661 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: and then I got really involved. So yeah, I was 662 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: doing plays in Chicago when Michael Jordan was was winning 663 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: all those championships and we were I remember doing this 664 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: streetcar named Desire at Steppenwolf and we were running off 665 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: stage to the one TV in the green room to 666 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: get a little a little hit of what was going 667 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: on just seconds before our queue, like running back on 668 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: stage like and then I heard rumors that when we 669 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: were doing that play that like some husbands and the 670 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: audience were spotted with earphone. Did you ever meet Jordan? No? No, wow, 671 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: that'd be like meeting Superman, Like not that likely in 672 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: my life, but that would be cool. Do you have 673 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: to meet the Lakers people before you you play them? 674 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: Obviously you couldn't meet doctor Jerry Buss, but the other 675 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: characters did. Were you able to do that and would 676 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: that help in the in the role? You know, I 677 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: don't think it would have helped, actually, because what we 678 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: needed to do this show was the freedom to interpret 679 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: the story as as we might imagine it, because there's 680 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,399 Speaker 1: so many blank spots in the official record of what 681 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: someone was thinking or what was actually said in a room. 682 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: You know, some of these people are not with us anymore, 683 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: like you mentioned, so, you know, I read recently where 684 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: Magic Johnson said, like, how can you do the Lakers 685 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: without the Lakers? Without the people who are involved? And 686 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: I kind of feel like, well, how could you do 687 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: the Lakers story with the Lakers? Because every single personality 688 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: in that group is going to have a different perspective 689 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,439 Speaker 1: on what really happened. At the end of the day, 690 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:28,240 Speaker 1: we felt like, this is an amazing story. These people 691 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: were incredible. We're not out to like take anyone down 692 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: or like you know, focus only on the scandalous parts 693 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: of their lives. We want to tell the whole crazy 694 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: picture of this season from nineteen seventy nine, nineteen eighty. 695 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,280 Speaker 1: You know, it was a miracle what Jerry Foss pulled up. 696 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: I mean, so many setbacks along the way as you're 697 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: seeing as the show rolls out. Yeah, so long, long 698 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: story short. I think we wanted the freedom to be 699 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: able to look at the the less attractive parts of 700 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: these stories. What are you trying to capture with doctor 701 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: Jerry Buss, Well, he was an incredible guy, you know, 702 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 1: like from his story from when you know, when he 703 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: was a kid in burw By, homing raised by a 704 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,879 Speaker 1: single mom on the depression, like to becoming the king 705 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: of La, the undisputed King of La for so long um, 706 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: and then all the all the incredible steps along the way, 707 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: like becoming like a savant at poker, or being a 708 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 1: math genius, getting a degree in chemistry, getting a master's 709 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: in chemistry, getting a doctorate in physical chemistry. You know, Dad, 710 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: I was kicked out of chemistry class in high school. 711 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 1: I volunteerly surrendered, let's put it that way. So you know, 712 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: every time I thought, like every time I would kind 713 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,320 Speaker 1: of get lured towards the more kind of playboy aspects 714 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: of his life or whatever, I would have to remember remember, wait, 715 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: this guy was a doctor of physical chemistry. He was 716 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 1: so good at it, he could teach it. So what 717 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: I wanted to do with doctor Jerry Buss was paid 718 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 1: honor to that for all the things he accomplished, not 719 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: just with the team, but who he was. He's John 720 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: c Riley. The show is winning time on HBO. The 721 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: Rise of the Lakers Dynasty new episode Sunday at nine 722 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 1: eastern on HBO. Did you think about keeping the hairdo 723 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: you know? I was surprised that come omers work as 724 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: well as they do. I must say it looked pretty good. Yeah. Good. 725 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: And in the show there's a scene when you see me, 726 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,879 Speaker 1: you see me do it? You know, I actually see me. 727 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 1: He wasn't doing it myself every day at work and 728 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 1: an amazing hairstylist Mia who was helping me every day. 729 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,280 Speaker 1: But I don't know, ye, I mean from the front, 730 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 1: it really looks convincing, like you see the hairline. I'm like, yeah, 731 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: that works for me. And then everyone said he kept 732 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,359 Speaker 1: a looking on the side like yeah. But I'll tell 733 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: you what Jerry Bust did his own hair every day. 734 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: Is the rumor he never you know, had a hairpiece 735 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: or a stylist or any of that stuff. He just 736 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 1: did it himself. And I think, and we should we 737 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: use it in the show as a kind of point, 738 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: which is that you know, he believed in creating his 739 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 1: own realities. And the hair is just you know, one 740 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: perfect example of that. What did people say to you 741 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: on the street if you're in LA walking around New 742 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 1: York these days, they're screaming, I love you doctor Buss, 743 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: which is a little surreal, you know, like this was 744 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: a real person, Like I guess I'm just sort of 745 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 1: a vessel right now for that, for that love. Because 746 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 1: he was a beloved guy. You look at that memorial 747 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,880 Speaker 1: of his and what people said, Um, that just tells 748 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: you everything you need to know about what kind of 749 00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: guy who was He's so beloved. Um, yes, but prior 750 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 1: to this three it's actually a nice break from from 751 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 1: hearing boats and hose. Uh. You know, I love you 752 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 1: doctor Buss is pretty cool right now. Uh. Your first 753 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,280 Speaker 1: movie role you were? You were in a Steven Seagal 754 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 1: were you? You were a tough guy in a bar. 755 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: Oh that's that's fake news. Somebody just added that time. 756 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 1: I was thinking, Oh my god, I I watched all 757 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 1: Seagal movies. I don't know how I missed you as 758 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,360 Speaker 1: a thug there, John whoever, whoever put that on my 759 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 1: idea having a big laugh right now. Because they pulled 760 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,240 Speaker 1: it off. They got people in the press to say, 761 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 1: were you going to no if that's but I was 762 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 1: in college in nineteen eighty eight. I was not even 763 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: in the acting business yet. How about Opening night next year, Lakers, 764 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: you come in full character doctor Jerry Bus. You know, 765 00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 1: I thought about it. I was just thinking about this 766 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 1: because I went to two games recently. I saw them 767 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,919 Speaker 1: played the Pelicans and I saw them play Golden State. 768 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 1: When Lebron got sixty points against Golden State, it was 769 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,839 Speaker 1: the night before the show came out, and I, you know, 770 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 1: I'm sure they have other worries, but part of me 771 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: was sitting there thinking, like, I wonder, because I heard 772 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: Lebron likes the show. I wonder if he's sitting in 773 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: that locker room tonight thinking we are not having this 774 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,240 Speaker 1: show come out tomorrow night and have everyone say yeah, 775 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: but they got killed by Golden State last night. So 776 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 1: I think he like he was like, guys, I don't 777 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: care what happens with the rest of the season. We 778 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,360 Speaker 1: are winning tonight, you know, like the ghost of doctor 779 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: Bus is sitting there. And then he did. They crushed it. 780 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: What an exciting game that was. But I was just 781 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 1: thinking recently, like about I love going to games, you know, 782 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 1: and that's one of the things when you're in a 783 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,839 Speaker 1: population show or a movie, like they let you sit 784 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 1: on the court side seats. So I was thinking it 785 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't it be cool to go to a game while 786 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: we're shooting the show, you know, And then I thought, well, 787 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: you'll have the must at you might. I don't know, 788 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,720 Speaker 1: like you, I wouldn't want to go and like have people. 789 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to like do and do an impression 790 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 1: of Jerry Bust there. I wouldn't want to like I 791 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't I wouldn't disrespect their family in that way. Okay, 792 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,720 Speaker 1: it's still it's only twenty fourteen that he passed away. 793 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: You know. These are people that are living with the 794 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 1: reality of losing their father, so I don't see it 795 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,880 Speaker 1: in that cheeky way. And all through the playing of 796 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:31,240 Speaker 1: the character, even when I did crazy stuff as the character, 797 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,719 Speaker 1: I was always feeling for the family, thinking like, well, 798 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: I hope, I hope this is okay for them to watch, 799 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 1: or you know, I hope this doesn't upset them too much, 800 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 1: because like I said, it really was a labor of love. 801 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 1: We were trying to pay honor to the Lakers and 802 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: pay honor to Jerry Bust by telling the truth. It's 803 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 1: great to talk to you, John, and you did a 804 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 1: wonderful job. It's one of those sometimes when you look 805 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 1: at somebody and you go, I don't know, is he 806 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: gonna look like that guy? And then after a while 807 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 1: you don't think about, oh, is he going to look 808 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 1: like that guy? And you know that's a that's a 809 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,319 Speaker 1: credit to who you are and what you do. So 810 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,839 Speaker 1: thanks for joining us and congrats on the success. Thank 811 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 1: you very much, hoping join the rest of it.