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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast always goes for it on

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Speaker 1: fourth and short, but we shouldn't. Sometimes we should hunt.

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Speaker 1: Let's start, let's not start. Welcome to the Around the

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Speaker 1: NFL Podcast. I'm Dan Hansas, Virtual Room Heroes, Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal. Here we are technically it's Tuesday, but we

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Speaker 1: are here to break down black money. No, not Black Monday, Ricky,

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Speaker 1: It's New Horizons Monday. Because when God closes the door

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Speaker 1: pops open a window in a big spot. Knows the

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Speaker 1: scripture absolutely. That's so true and I cannot think of

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Speaker 1: really anything in life where it applies more accurately than

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Speaker 1: to this episode. And what we're about to discuss. M

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Speaker 1: is that what you were looking for. I just try

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Speaker 1: to that was that was Greg's turn to come in

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Speaker 1: with something snarky, little mirthy tone, but he's he's punting

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Speaker 1: on the discussion. Now. I'd like to keep it fresh,

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Speaker 1: not be too predictable, and just see see what happens.

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Speaker 1: I knew Dan would be surprised there. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: see where the conversation goes. I didn't. I thought Mark

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Speaker 1: also said it so well. Sometimes you can't top it

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Speaker 1: and you have nothing more to add. You know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, Like Mark really set the tone that said

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Speaker 1: six shortly. Okay, but I'm annoyed with Greg. That's not

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Speaker 1: how that's maybe not maximizing the experience. I feel like

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Speaker 1: Mark Mark should be a coach, al right, a head coach.

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Speaker 1: Mark should be David Culley, because I feel like Mark's

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Speaker 1: Culley that pays you potentially I'm going to just guess

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Speaker 1: five times more maybe ten times more than he's ever

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Speaker 1: and then lose that job, but have that contract guaranteed

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Speaker 1: for four more years after that. This this is where

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Speaker 1: you need to head. You can you can be a

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Speaker 1: head coach of the Texas. Do you think that I'd

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Speaker 1: job that you know, months later on someone else's staff,

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Speaker 1: just for the love of the game. Absolutely. Now you

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Speaker 1: even taking any heat from chilling for four years. We

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Speaker 1: the ideal blueprint at this stage in our lives too,

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Speaker 1: It's different for everyone, Gilo. Um, all right, today we

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Speaker 1: Can you guys hear that? Yeah, Hey, Dave, what's up?

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Speaker 1: It's uh Dan from a t N. What's up? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Hey are you doing? Man? Good? Good? Good? Um? How's

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Speaker 1: everything It's going great? You know, just dealing with the

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Speaker 1: end of the season, gearing up playoffs, you know the drill.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to share that info. I'm currently editor Digital News.

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Speaker 1: All right, good good, good dude. Because I noticed I

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Speaker 1: wanted to bring something up to you that I don't know. UM,

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Speaker 1: who's sending these emails, but we've been getting multiple emails

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Speaker 1: once again just tweeted a Nathaniel Hackett headline with a

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Speaker 1: something that's been discussed. But has has the packer's voice

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Speaker 1: you found the one yet? Dave? I know there are

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Speaker 1: we gotta respect the man. Dave Eale, thank you for

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Speaker 1: how about let's trim up those what we learned uh

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Speaker 1: Russian novelists they have, they've become more condensed, Greg, Just

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Speaker 1: to let you know, UM, what a method actor, what

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Speaker 1: an impressive what an impressive executive Eally has become. I

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Speaker 1: we're going through Corona, UM, insane weather events, UM, general

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Speaker 1: lack of peace in the world, does hinge on David

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Speaker 1: Eally finding um a significant other way? I I and

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Speaker 1: I you know, I just feel like it was such

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Speaker 1: a safe assumption that he was single, But like, what

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Speaker 1: if they could change the world by finding Dave. He

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Speaker 1: needs to find a woman and they need to produce

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Speaker 1: with Flores he might not have hit it very well,

429
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: or he might have been very open. I think that

430
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson drama was probably a flash point but even

431
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: by that point, if Flores was fired after winning native

432
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: nine games, my guess is ownership had already decided back then,

433
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 1: this guy's gone, um, because we don't want him working

434
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: for us, like we're we're offended that he's either challenging

435
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: us or the way that he runs his team nothing

436
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: to do with the results on the field. Yeah, I mean,

437
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: it's been talked about that the tension had been, you know,

438
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 1: heading towards a boiling point for a while now. And

439
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: I can remember a day back when the Dolphins were

440
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, one and four or something, and it wasn't

441
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: because of the record, but Greg and I were in

442
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 1: the newsroom and um, someone that we really respect basically

443
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 1: told us, because at that point you thought Brian Flores

444
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: is one of the brighter young coaches around. Of course

445
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: he'd be safe because you look at who Stephen Ross,

446
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 1: the owner had dealt with a head coach before, there

447
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 1: wouldn't be an issue here. But we were told the

448
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: opposite that there were major issues in Miami that centered

449
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: around Brian Flores. And I think that his relationship with

450
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: TWA took a hit. And Chris Greer has been there

451
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 1: since the year two thousand and Steven Ross, who you know,

452
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: like it or not he runs the show, talked about

453
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 1: lack of collaboration over and over, and I mean that

454
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 1: you could look at a few things like the dual

455
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: offensive coordinators, right, things like that, where I mean just

456
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 1: stuff was strange. But I mean, in the end, it

457
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 1: tells you everything you need to know that other teams,

458
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: namely the Bears, are interested in turning around and hiring

459
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: Brian Flores and taking a chance on that lack of

460
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: collaborative spirit that he brings. And that's when you hire

461
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 1: these Patriots coaches, you have to actually if you want

462
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 1: them to be many Belichicks do many Belichick things, and

463
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: and ultimately it seems like that was distasteful to Stephen

464
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: Ross in the end. We'll see. Now. I saw a

465
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: report that it was Flora's that was driving the boat

466
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: a little bit with uh Deshaun Watson and those rumors,

467
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: and perhaps that led to the schism between him and too. Ah.

468
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: That's just speculation on my part. But you know, we

469
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: here to report also that the Dolphins or Flores will

470
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 1: interview for the Bears head coaching vacancies. Mark said, that's

471
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: that that's obviously is he a guy that jumps from

472
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 1: getting fired straight into a job. It doesn't happen a lot,

473
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: but it does happen. And maybe he's a situation when

474
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: you can see it go down. Had him happened for

475
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: Adam Gaze, which you know, wasn't a great idea obviously,

476
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's the worst idea for Brian

477
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: Flores to take a step back, you know, unless he's

478
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 1: in the right situation or become a coordinator for a year.

479
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: I think he'll probably get another chance because that team

480
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: was built around what he did well in terms of

481
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 1: the defensive packages, the secondary of the blitzes, and like

482
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: that's all out the window, and so you're starting all

483
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: over and and I don't I don't doubt that he

484
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 1: bears blame. Here is some blame for it all, But

485
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: I look back at what's the longer track record, and

486
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: that's Steven Ross changing all these you know, boats on

487
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: the Titanic over and over in trying to find the

488
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 1: right combination and not really finding it. And Chris Gery

489
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: has been there alongside the whole time. So I think

490
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: we can sort of surmise from the reports that Greer

491
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: and Flores or or certainly Florist and Ross weren't getting long.

492
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: But it just makes me laugh when he says like, well,

493
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: I want better communication, I want more cohesion. Stephen Ross

494
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: was literally reported from our network to be trying to

495
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: set up an interview with Shaun Watson uh in before

496
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: the trade deadline, and basically Watson couldn't, you know, get

497
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: it off in time. He wanted to meet with his

498
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: lawyers and everything. We we reported that, and he's talking

499
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: about that Florist isn't like maintaining his relationship with ta

500
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: I mean to me that it's a little lot. It's

501
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: a little laugh of all, even Ross's public comments. I

502
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 1: thought it was I guess you want an owner to

503
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: be transparent with with the fan base and all that.

504
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 1: But uh, here's the quote. I've been looking at this

505
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: over three years now, when watching the organization grow, and

506
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: I think an organization can only function if it's collaborative

507
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: and it works well together. And I don't think we

508
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 1: were really working well as an organization that it would

509
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: take to really win consistently at the NFL level. If

510
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: I'm interviewing for the Dolphins job, I'm a little bit

511
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: nervous when I hear a quote like that that I

512
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 1: might be somebody that wants to be used as a

513
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: puppet that doesn't isn't gonna have a lot of power

514
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: in the organization and feels like I'm gonna be put

515
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: into some type of uh vacuum um. And let's face it,

516
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 1: Miami's results over the last really post Marino speak to it.

517
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: It's like the Bears job as well. Same thing. When

518
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: you take on a job like that, you're taking on

519
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: decades of failure and what's behind that is it is

520
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: it's something that's gonna swallow you up. I think it's

521
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: dangerous because any candidate would need to look at the

522
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: fact that they're going to be paired now with Chris career,

523
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: and you know, barring that coach bringing miracles to Miami

524
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: would lose any power struggle and already be de emphasized

525
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: power wise. And secondly, whoever comes in needs to succeed

526
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: right away, because Brian Flores, above all things else, had

527
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: the program going in the right direction. I know they

528
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 1: got off to a rough start, but Miami's defense over

529
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: the last couple of years was the product of his coaching,

530
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: and so I just think it's a tough landing spot

531
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: for the next guy, right, you have to you have

532
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: to beat nine and eight basically, you know for all

533
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: the you know talk of that they where I guess

534
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: a little down this year, like he he crushed there

535
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: over under winter totals like the last two years, and

536
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: he was pretty much at it uh this year. And

537
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: the next coach is gonna have to decide what they

538
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: want to do with two. I think that's all. That's

539
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: all open. I mean, they might they might be changing quarterbacks.

540
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: That the Laramie Tounsil trade, which which Florist and Greer

541
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: were a big part of, crushed him because they've drafted

542
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: like four offensive linemen in the first or second round

543
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: and they have the worst offensive line in the league.

544
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: So it's not like Florist was perfect there. He cycled

545
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: through coaches and even free agent acquisitions and players extremely fast,

546
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: and that that kind of speaks to it was a

547
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: destabilizing type of situation, alright. So Brian lars is out,

548
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: So too is Mike Zimmer, as well as general manager

549
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: Rick Spielman. In Minnesota. That pair that brain trust with

550
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: the Vikings, they are sent packing after eight seasons. The

551
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: move comes a day after a disappointing Vikings season ended

552
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: with an eight nine record, and this is the first

553
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: time this organization is really cleaned house in its top

554
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: two positions of leadership with Ziggy and Mark wilf uh

555
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: in control of the organization that's been since two thousand five.

556
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: So this is this one's interesting mark to me because

557
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: I think there's so much focus on Kirk Cousins all

558
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: the time around the team, in about the offense going

559
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: on and off, and the just the meandering nature of

560
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: a Kirk Cousins team being five hundred. But I think

561
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: the reasons Zimmer ultimately gets fired here is because when

562
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: they made the NFC title game in the in the

563
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: case keenomy or four years ago, they had the number

564
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: one ranked defense in the league. Fast forward to this

565
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: year ranked in football that defense, and Zimmer's inability to

566
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: get them to where they needed to be, and of

567
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: course Spielman's inability to stock the cupboard in an effective way,

568
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: I think it's the defense that led to this blow up. Yeah,

569
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: I mean it's I think it's that along with the

570
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: fact that it just felt like classic relationship burned out.

571
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: To me, it was interesting that Eric Hendricks, their linebacker

572
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: said after the firing, I don't think a fear based

573
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: organization is the way to go UM their tackle. Brian

574
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: O'Neill was with Kendricks and also talked about humanity being

575
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: lost in the building, and there were stories of you know,

576
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: Zimmer has always been a cranky Bill Parcels offshoot, but

577
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I enjoy his crankiness, but I think it

578
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: kind of started to weigh that building down. They talked

579
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: about him just passing people in the hall and not

580
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: speaking and spending tons that are doing not a good move.

581
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: He's spending all this time on defense, but look at

582
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: what's happened the past couple of years on offense, where

583
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: he he wrote John D. Philippo in the press week

584
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: after week, then flat out fired him. Um. The NFL

585
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: made a rule about allowing coaches to interview for other

586
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: opportunities after she blocked Kevin Stefanski from seeking a better

587
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: role with the Giants. Stephan Diggs ultimately wanted out because

588
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: of the lack of attention to the offense to some degree.

589
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: I mean, Zimmer, though, is a high quality coach who

590
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: brought a high floor, so it's gonna be you know,

591
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: it's another situation where the guy that comes in is

592
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: gonna have to hit the ground running, and you can't

593
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: really necessarily look at it as a chance to rebuild

594
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: from scratch at all, because there's a lot of parts there.

595
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: I think he knew even it was time. He was

596
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: taking pictures with one of his assistant coaches on the

597
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: field afterwards. He was there eight years. That's a good run.

598
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: Rick Spielman was there sixteen years. That is in almost

599
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: unheard of run. Now, he wasn't in charge the whole time.

600
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: He was second in charge from about oh six to

601
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: eleven or twelve, and then he was in charge since

602
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: so that's a long time. I think the Wolves have

603
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: quietly been been good owners. I think they built that stadium.

604
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: There's been stability there. Zimmer was sixteen games over five hundred.

605
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: He had a pretty good run that The situation he

606
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: inherited was a lot of drama, but there there's a

607
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: good article in the Athletic. I do like looking back

608
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: sometimes when these things happened. All the drama that happened

609
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: under Zimmer is crazy to think about. You mentioned like

610
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: the De Filippo fire, and remember Norv Turner like just

611
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: mysteriously retired in the middle of the year basically because

612
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: he didn't like him, which that was fun. There was like,

613
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: there was the Adrian Peterson stuff. There was Teddy Bridgewater

614
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: unfortunately blowing out his his knees, Tony Sperrano's death. There

615
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: there was just like a lot there. And you can

616
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: imagine after eight years, the way he approached football would

617
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: wear on you. And and he's such a defensive guy.

618
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't totally make sense in one but he also

619
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: was a good He was a good coach. I don't

620
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: You don't get the sense he wants to be become

621
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator again. But if he did, like everyone

622
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: would be pumped. Guy, he's kind of old school guy.

623
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's somebody that it, you know,

624
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: necessarily would fit the profile of a team that's looking

625
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: for a fresh start. But yeah, like you said, he

626
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: has been a successful head coach, came within a game

627
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: of the Super Bowl, so he seems like a guy

628
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: that would get a second shot as well. Here's what

629
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: Mark Will said. By the way to Mark's point that

630
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: this could be a team that hires someone new, hires

631
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: a new team builder, and then the belief is that

632
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: they could be contending in the NFCO. I don't want

633
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: to go into a full rebuild conversation. Will said. Our

634
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: point is we have high expectations for this football team.

635
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: We believe we can be super competitive right here in two.

636
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: This is not in the mode of a full rebuild.

637
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: So this is not a team tearing it down. This

638
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: is not let's trade Kirk Cousins and start Kellen Mond.

639
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: This is a team that thinks they just need to

640
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: freshen things up. And I get it. I like Zimmer.

641
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: I think I thought it was a good coach, but

642
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Speaker 1: you understand at a certain point, if you don't get

643
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: the results you're looking for, you gotta freshen it up

644
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: a little bit. I think they're in a eight spot

645
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: with Cousins. I think he's like the ideal guy to

646
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: keep for one more year under his current salary while

647
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: you draft a rookie like and he's also a little

648
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: tradeable if you wanted to dip your toe into that,

649
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: and you probably wouldn't even care that much about like

650
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: offending him if you get mentioned in rumors like he

651
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,959
Speaker 1: feels a little tradeable, and if it doesn't work out,

652
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 1: keep him for one year. You draft someone to develop,

653
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: you know, a first round pick or a second round pick,

654
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: and like, I don't think they're in a bad spot.

655
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Speaker 1: All right, Let's uh take a break here and then

656
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Speaker 1: get into the next dismissal on new horizons week here

657
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: on around the NFL. Alright, so I mentioned the Bears.

658
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Bears. They fired coach Matt Naggy

659
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: and general manager Ryan Pace on Monday after the team

660
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: finished with a six and eleven record this season. That

661
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: ends a four year run for Naggy that began with

662
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: the NFL Coach of the Year uh two thousand eighteen.

663
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 1: That was the double doink uh season in the playoffs

664
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: or one and done against the Eagles. Uh. But it

665
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: has been downhill since then, back to back eight and

666
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: eight seasons in nineteen and twenty. They did make the

667
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: playoffs last year as the expanded team in the new

668
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: wild card round, but one and done there and then

669
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: they took a step back here. Um, and this is

670
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: a fresh start, Greg. They are getting rid of the

671
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: entire brain trust, and they're putting faith in ownership and

672
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: the people that are responsible for these this decision to

673
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: install something here that will be lasting and really put

674
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Speaker 1: this franchise back on track, because it's been a while

675
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: now since it really felt like a organization to take

676
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: seriously in the NFC. Yeah, it's still a family run

677
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: out operation. And you can hear that when you know,

678
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: mccaskey's son is speaking about like, you know, how how

679
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: disappointed mom was, you know, And that's that's who they

680
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: are right now, and they want to do that. I'm

681
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: a little concerned, if only because they're already setting up

682
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: all these GM interviews, right And they're already setting up

683
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: all these coaching interviews, and the list is a long bowls, Dable,

684
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: Ebra Flos, Leslie Fraser, Nathaniel Hackett, your Boy Um Byron Leftwich,

685
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson, Dan Quinn. It's a lot of names. But

686
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: you're also interviewing the g MS at the same time,

687
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: and they say that the coach is going to be

688
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: reporting to the GM, Like, like, already I'm wondering a

689
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: little bit about about the setup. But you do have

690
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: Justin Fields, and I think you've got to hire an

691
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: offensive minded coach, right, I really think that's the way

692
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: to go, and whoever has the best vision and plan

693
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: for Justin Fields gets the job. In my opinion, what

694
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: could be more important than that. I think that one

695
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: problem here is that, yes, it's a fresh start because

696
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: at least it's not a Duellian GM and coach, but

697
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: George McCaskey and Ted Phillips have totally turned off Chicago.

698
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: That was one of the worst press conferences that has

699
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 1: ever happened in the NFL. It was just a disaster.

700
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: And why did you think it was so bad? I

701
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: admit I only saw one little clip and it was

702
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: that clip was bad. But I didn't watched You watched

703
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: about um the Q and a section of it after

704
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: his long bizarre intro, and I think that there is

705
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: just a high level of exhaustion with what McCaskey and

706
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: Phillips have done, and they were getting pointed questions and

707
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: McCaskey basically, you know, I like Chicago media was saying

708
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: that it was a masterclass and now how not to

709
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: run a press conference. He just looks like a fish

710
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: out of water. And it's the same people he's going

711
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: to make that decision. In the end. They're gonna bring

712
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: Bill Polian in as a consultant who's turning eighties soon.

713
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: It just I don't know if you that There's a

714
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: lot to like about the Bears, the concept of it,

715
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: but the ownership situation, it's creaky inability to change would

716
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: concern me as a head coach candidate. Mhm alright, pet

717
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: Matt Naggy, You know he did. He did go out

718
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: with a winning record for pres There as much grief

719
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: as he took um, he did have a quoting record

720
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: for his career. And that's and the thing is, all

721
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: the other coaches that are still hired right now, beware

722
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: because Barras fans won't have Matt Naggy to kick around anymore.

723
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: There's always someone else who's going to be the guy in.

724
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Speaker 1: I mean, it was a classic thing where like they

725
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: almost shouldn't have won the division with Drabinsky. It like

726
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 1: ruined the next couple of years because they kept trying

727
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: to do it. It was a miracle and he did

728
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: do a nice job that that year with Drabinsky. The

729
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: entire yeah, the entire um, the you know, the brain

730
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 1: trust there. Naggi inherited Mitch Drabinsky. Uh. It was Ryan

731
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: Pace who made one of the great draft gaffs of

732
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: all time. Uh, not only passing on Deshaun Watson and

733
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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes but trading up to get Mitch Drabinsky at

734
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: two overall. Um, So, the fact that he lasted this

735
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: long after a gaffe at that level does speak to

736
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Speaker 1: some issues behind the scenes. Mark, I think it does.

737
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Speaker 1: I think I got a sandwich off you. Uh though

738
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Speaker 1: for Naggy getting dismissed. I think you thought because of

739
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 1: the organization that they would be too loyal and moved

740
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: too slowly. You did, and I I thought they might

741
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: move too slowly. I looked at the go get my

742
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: lunch um dot org um page the other day and

743
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: I was like, what was I on LSD when I

744
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: took that? Because we're gonna hit that. We're gonna hit

745
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: that at the end of the show. Let's let's take

746
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: a break, all right, welcome back. Let's now hit on

747
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: another coach who's seemingly in danger but still employed, Matt Rule.

748
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers. We heard the Fox report last week. Jay

749
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,959
Speaker 1: Glazer put it out there that Rule needed to hire

750
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: a quote rock star offensive coordinator to save his job.

751
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: Than rap Sheet reported um today that the Panthers fired

752
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: special teams coach Chase Blackburn, offensive line coach Pat Meyer,

753
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 1: defensive line coach Frank oakum okay o coom uh. So

754
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: this is the this is the move mark that the

755
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 1: Panthers are taking right now. Matt Rules not the problem.

756
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: Everything else around him, including the coaching staff that he

757
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: put together, is the problem. Does this also feel a

758
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: little backwards for the Panthers? Well, I mean to me,

759
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 1: it just feels like an example of a curating nose

760
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: diving for a coach that I thought last season had

761
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: a lot of support around him. And you know when

762
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: you start firing, like you know, when you fire the

763
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: starry offensive coordinator that everyone thought might be the next

764
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: big thing in the NFL. Now you're firing your special

765
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: teams coordinator, You're firing line coaches left and right, your scapegoating,

766
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: and there's at some point and it's gonna be real

767
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: hot the minute the next season starts. Where the fingers

768
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: are gonna be pointed nowhere else but at Matt Rule.

769
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: I think that already started. At the end of the year.

770
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: There's probably a bunch of them. But if judge Stock

771
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: it stuck around would be like a nice sort of

772
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: horse race between there's always one guy that ends up

773
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: being the guy. Well, I don't know if Panthers if

774
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: the Panthers fan base would be as vocal, perhaps as

775
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: the Bears had been around Nagi. But Nagi became a

776
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: national thing. And uh yeah, I think Rules a very

777
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: strong candidate. He's getting there. He just seems so disheveled

778
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: and discombobulated when they asked him about Sam Donald, like

779
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: he just didn't have an answer for Sam Donald. He

780
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: just started he started himing and high and being like, well,

781
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: we we brought we brought him in. We we thought

782
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: we thought he could he could be a quarterback. That's

783
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: why we guarantee the money. But that's like the low

784
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: end of starter money. And it was just like he

785
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: looked like he hadn't slept, which maybe he hadn't. It's

786
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: the last game of the season. They're doing all this stuff,

787
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: but he just he he seems like the NFL has

788
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: bowled him over a little bit. I don't hate them

789
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: keeping him for a third year. Maybe I'm wrong. I

790
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't as high on him as Mark.

791
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: Mark you know, had this loves this Panther's team, love

792
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: Matt Rule. I see how he's now putting it on

793
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: other people. He was like, he was like, oh yeah,

794
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: people were very high on him. It's like no, no, no.

795
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: I mean it's obvious that I was, but it was

796
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: also because he came up and shook my hands. So

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00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. If there's a lot of like inte

798
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: gritty and my fandom, I guess I'm like, I'm I'm

799
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: still one that Okay. If it's a total that like

800
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: built out your analysis for a year and a half,

801
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: well I look at I also liked the idea that

802
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: he had a history of taking programs, rehabbing them and

803
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: making very them very strong. I thought he could be

804
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: like a Jimmy Johnson type figure. Right now you think

805
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: nothing like that of him. And the best thing to

806
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: Greg's point is to have him not on Mike for

807
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: weeks and weeks in a row. I mean, he's he

808
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: needs a break and he needs to come back with

809
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: a plan and a quarterback. Right they've they've been him

810
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 1: and his GM Scott Fitter, who is you know, fairly

811
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: new Like both were like, well, we just gotta get

812
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: an offensive line. You know, if you protect Sam Donald,

813
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: He's he's shown he's he can be a good quarterback.

814
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: First of all, that's like the minimum baseline, like if

815
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: you get perfect protection. Donald can be average, but that

816
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: it's like, well, why did it take two years to

817
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: think of like, let's have good uh and a good

818
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: offensive line like that? That that's your that's your big solution.

819
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: And yet I don't. I don't hate them keeping him

820
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: I kind of thing coaches should get three years unless

821
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: they're total disasters and haven't shown anything. And I and

822
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: I actually think his his offense has made sense to me,

823
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: especially a year ago that the line was so bad.

824
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: This year they've built up that defensive I think he's

825
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: just above that threshold of unmitigated disaster only gets to

826
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: that giving him a third. I don't hate it, and

827
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: it wouldn't It wouldn't shock me with some with some

828
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: better personnel moves if they're if they're in the mix,

829
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: and he gets along with the owner to that from

830
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: all we hear that they get along well and they

831
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: have some shared visions, so that probably helps. You know,

832
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 1: he's an offensive guy who's just made so many bad

833
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: quarterback decisions that it feels like their whole offseason is

834
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: going to be based on if they get a big

835
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: time quarterback, they better be best friends for this too.

836
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: That to be a driving reason for him staying. I

837
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: mean it's like results are results and there have not

838
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: been any there. How about Uh, David Culley in the Texans,

839
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: We've mentioned him a couple of times. He expects to

840
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: return for a second season, despite a lot of speculation

841
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: about his job status. Hear is what Cullis had to

842
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: say after loss of the Titans the end of the season.

843
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to being the head coach of the

844
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: football team next year. Haven't thought about it one minute,

845
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: he said, As far as he knows, he'll be back. Um,

846
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: we talked about this a little bit on the Sunday Show.

847
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: Team CEO and chairman kl McNair general manager Nikis Sario.

848
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: You're not hearing anything from the team about Cully's future.

849
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 1: Jake Glazer reports that it's something that that can happen.

850
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: Usually when Glazer reports something like that, uh, that that

851
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: Cully is out, he probably will be out. Um. It

852
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: would not be a great look, but it is what

853
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Speaker 1: it is. They stopped caring about how things look and

854
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: Houston a while ago. Right, it's just like you you

855
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: hired this guy. It just it just fulfills basically the

856
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: worst thoughts of what everyone thought when they hired David

857
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: Culley because I don't even think there's an argument of

858
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: whether this team performed above expectations or not. They did

859
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: the people were thinking this might be one of the

860
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: worst NFL teams ever created. Like, yeah, I think they

861
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: had like a two and two and a half over

862
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: under something absolutely preposterous. Um. You know, they developed a quarterback,

863
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: they were competitive, their defense actually was decent. Like and

864
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he should be a great long term

865
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: head coach, but assuming if they do fire him and

866
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: then hire some casario friend, like a former Patriots guy,

867
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: whether it's McDaniels or Florist, then it's just they were

868
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: that's what they were intending to do the whole time,

869
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: and they used they used the guy as a patsy

870
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: and and give him a lot of money to do

871
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: so well. I think if anything, though, if you're David Culley,

872
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: you escape with a money guaranteed money and be I

873
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: think a pretty good league wide evaluation of the job

874
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: you did. It's it's not a flaming train wreck where

875
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: you vanished from society for two years because we don't

876
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: think you're up to the job. I would not put

877
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: it past the Texans just with their weirdness and the

878
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: way they rate for us to suddenly find out that

879
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: they hired like a Josh McDaniels and they had a

880
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: secret interview or a un announced interview to get to

881
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: make all that kosher. But it's like they're just so bizarre,

882
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: and I think they've done them so dirty, and it's

883
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: just like, how how can this organization that even a

884
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: couple of years ago was on the up and up

885
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 1: look this bad and operate this poorly. It's it's like

886
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: they stand out among the other thirty two teams. Like

887
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 1: Jeff Howe from The Athletic, who is a former Patriots reporter,

888
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: said they might not decide to about Thursday or Friday,

889
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: so like this is this is where because like they're

890
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: supposedly evaluating until then, and it's pretty clear that the

891
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: Easter Beecas areo combo is trying to see if they

892
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: can get the guy that they want and if they can't,

893
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: then I guess we'll string along college for another year.

894
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: Like it's just it's just kind of a thing. Like

895
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: I said, it's just by some of their actions, it

896
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 1: feels like the Texans have no idea what they're doing. Yes,

897
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: it could seem like that from the outside. Now maybe

898
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: inside down mother, they know exactly what's going on. But

899
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: from here where we are, na many ain't it inside

900
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: the building increased up machine, no doubt that. I don't

901
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: know if I want to cut that. I like that

902
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 1: the whole um. Lastly, Dan Quinn, he's the defensive coordinator

903
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys. He has really uh see the he

904
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: This is the perfect example of how you rehabilitate your

905
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: image and brand in the NFL. Quinn went from hot

906
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: shot d C. Was a d C in Seattle. Is

907
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: that where he was before he got the Atlantic job,

908
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: got the Atlanta job, built that program, went to a

909
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. We all know how that turned out, then

910
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: went into a long decline in Atlanta, got fired, looked

911
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: like old news. But he still had the chops as

912
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: a defensive play caller. Goes to the Cowboys, revitalizes that

913
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: defense with some help Mica Parsons falling into his lap

914
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: was a nice little upgrade that helped him. And now

915
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: he's a hot candidate again. And there is a report,

916
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: uh it's circulating out there, um Denver sevens Troy rank

917
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: for instance, But I think it's popped up in a

918
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: few places that the Broncos have requested permission to interview

919
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn for their head coaching vacancy. Of course, we

920
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: learned Vic Fangio was fired on Sunday morning, so that's

921
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: another opening in Denver. Why does this feel weird to me? Though, Greg,

922
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just because we've been doing this long enough.

923
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: You know how it typically works. You fire the guy

924
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: that's a defensive minded coach, that's a veteran guy, so

925
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 1: then in hire an offensive minded guy that's kind of

926
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: like a hot shot. Usually like to go opposite, but

927
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: this feels like you're in the same lane. Yeah, I'm surprised.

928
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: And there if you read between the lines, it sounds

929
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: like he might be a favorite or the favorite in Denver,

930
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: and then he might have more interviews to uh elsewhere

931
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 1: in the league. At one point there was a report

932
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: he declined to talk to the Agers, but he said

933
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: it was more about timing. I think people around the

934
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: league and I don't. I don't know the relationship he

935
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: has with George Peyton. I could have should have looked

936
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: it up. Who is the GM in Denver. It's a

937
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: very strange situation. Peyton has only been there a year,

938
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: the ownership could be changing, and nothing's gonna stop by

939
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: Peyton from hiring a coach, but the ownership could be

940
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: totally different in a month. I'd be stunned to hire

941
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: Quinn as a defensive guy, but I guess they see

942
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: him as a leader of men, and he has a

943
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: great reputation just because then you gotta find the offensive guy.

944
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: Something he was off and on about, you know, in Atlanta.

945
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: He did well when Kyle Shannon was there, essentially, and

946
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: not so well when he wasn't there. That's the problem

947
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: with hiring a defensive head coaches. They take your offensive

948
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: guy if if he's good, Like if you do a

949
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: good job hiring your offensive guy, it gets taken from you.

950
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: And so that's why I'd always lean offense. Not that

951
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: there aren't good defensive minded head coaches. Sean McDermott's amazing,

952
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: but it surprises me that it sounds like he might

953
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: be the favorite there and I looking at the list

954
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: of their candidates, two others stand out to me, just

955
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: based on what we thought could happen with the Broncos

956
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: this offseason. Dan's Guy, Nathaniel Hackett and Packers. Who's the

957
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: Packers oh see, and Green Bay quarterbacks coach Luke getsy.

958
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: I wonder if there is a side plot or a

959
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: plan to bring those guys in. Aaron Rodgers was one

960
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: of the first guys to trump for Nathaniel Hackett getting

961
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: a head coaching job last offseason, So would that ever

962
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: be the way to lure Aaron Rodgers to Denver with

963
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: someone he really loves and also maybe bring over the

964
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach as well. In an environment that tells Aaron Rodgers,

965
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: we got you. Oh God, Aaron Rodgers, isn't an environment

966
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: where they got him. I get that. The other does

967
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: any sense. It doesn't seem like he's moving at this point,

968
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: but we are. We are less than a calendar year

969
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 1: removed from him being totally annoying any other team offers.

970
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: It's like, it's it's not better than what Green Bay

971
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: offers to him right now in terms of how he

972
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: secures his legacy in these fine years. But it's all good.

973
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: Points you by the way, greg Us, George Peyton, Patton,

974
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: General Patton. It's Peyton. We like to call him General Patton,

975
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: but it's Peyton. They didn't Quinn and Patton didn't have

976
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: a Payton didn't have a lot of overlap in their career.

977
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: They worked briefly together with the Dolphins like fifteen years ago.

978
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: But this isn't anything where these guys have been tied

979
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: to the hip at some point. So we'll see um.

980
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: One other guy on that list who stands out, Doug

981
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: Peterson was added. He's gonna talk to him little, Yeah,

982
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: he's talking to the Bears. He's making the rounds in general.

983
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: One last just like Coaching Tracker News and it's on

984
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: NFL dot com. You can see where all the interviews,

985
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: like the Jaggers have interviewed everyone including Bill O'Brien left,

986
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: which all that stuff. Mike McDaniel in Miami sounds like

987
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: one that might have some legs. Very well regarded offensive

988
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: coordinator for the forty Niners, Kyle Shannon a sort of

989
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: famously not allowed him to leave for a lateral move,

990
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 1: but he certainly would if it was a head coaching job.

991
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: And and that that's one that seems to have a

992
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: little a little bit of buzz and heady into Sunday night,

993
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: there was a lot of buzz about Harbaugh and the

994
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: up in Las Vegas. But I do wonder if if

995
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: a that's b s or be like whether Besaccia can

996
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: now keep this job. I'm curious what Psacia has to

997
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: do to keep the job like this, this tenant seven

998
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: in the playoffs not enough? Well what if they win?

999
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: And I think they can by the way, we're gonna

1000
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: get into it on Thursday or preview of all the

1001
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: Super wild Card weekend games. But I kind of like

1002
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: the Raiders chances of hanging around in that game against

1003
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: the Bengals. Uh? Would that make rich Besaccia? Would that

1004
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,760
Speaker 1: rip off the interim label? Well? You make that divisional

1005
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 1: round would be pretty It would be harder to imagine

1006
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: them making a change. One little, one little tiny note.

1007
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: The night that I shook hands with Matt Rule, I

1008
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: was speaking with a Niners assistant. You were there, Dan,

1009
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: We were at that bizarre party. Was probably had about

1010
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: four to seven titos in me at that point, but yes,

1011
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: I was there physically, you were there. Um. A Niners

1012
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: assistant told me that Mike McDaniel was the most impressive

1013
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: creative person on the entire staff. Do you hear this?

1014
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: Do you hear that? Greg? This is Mark his next

1015
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: target of affection infatuation and was a former Brown's here

1016
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: we go. Andrew Hawkins and Joe Thomas have spoken publicly

1017
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: about this that they think he's like, yeah, they didn't.

1018
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan's maybe the great card. We're just exing them. All. Yeah.

1019
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: They love McDaniel. They think he is the real deal.

1020
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: All Right, there you go. That's what's happening in the news.

1021
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 1: All right, before we get out of here. New segment

1022
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,920
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1023
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Speaker 1: official five G network of the NFL. Quality Time. It's

1024
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: us all together, chopping it up, talking ball through the

1025
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: go Get My Lunch segment, produced by the great Nick Fourtier.

1026
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: It's very important that people understand that this is probably

1027
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 1: not gonna look good for any of us, um but

1028
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: it's very hard to make these predictions, even the ones

1029
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,479
Speaker 1: that seem safe. Like I remember, as I was looking

1030
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,439
Speaker 1: at mine, I was like, I don't remember the show

1031
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,479
Speaker 1: where we made these props, Like Greg had this whole

1032
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: monologue about how I wasn't hanging any onions. These were

1033
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: like insane props that I was laying out there in

1034
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: my opinion, but that was all based on the speculation

1035
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: of what will happen in it never works out how

1036
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: we all expect. Anyway, let's go through it. Mark will

1037
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 1: start with you, buddy, it looks like you're it looks

1038
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: like you're twelve and nine or No. Twelve and seven. Nice.

1039
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 1: It did come out good for someone old third place Sessler.

1040
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,760
Speaker 1: That's that's an exemplary And as I've said many times,

1041
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: h Mark is like the old Rob Deer, that old

1042
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: slugger for the Brewer is, or name the hit or

1043
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: miss slugger from your youth watching baseball, the guy that

1044
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: strikes out two times, but he'll hit thirty two homers,

1045
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 1: he'll run into one and every once in a while

1046
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: he hits a bomb. And we're gonna get to one here. First,

1047
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: you have Big Ben starts week one for the Texans.

1048
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: I remember when you said that, and I didn't. I

1049
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: thought it was a joke, but you kind of had

1050
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: a theory. They're connected to Deshaun Watson, and I guess

1051
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: the Texans looking to contend and the Steelers looking for

1052
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: a fresh start. Negative. We got two sandwiches there, one

1053
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: for Dan, one for Greg. Uh. You nailed the A

1054
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: coach will resign during the season. That is, by the way,

1055
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: this is all coming from the great Nick four tier

1056
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 1: of Go get my Lunch dot Org. Nick has urban Meyer.

1057
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: Here Meyer was fired, but John Gruden resigned before he

1058
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: get fired. Bang nailed it. Got two sandwiches there, way

1059
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: to profit off of racial controversy there, that's what he does.

1060
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: Why do you need to frame it that way? But

1061
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,399
Speaker 1: it's not. But let's say, let's just be honest, Mark,

1062
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: it's not the first time you've done that. All right,

1063
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: next category, A top story involves an NFL cheerleader and

1064
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 1: this and this, you know, this just shows everyone gets

1065
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: upset about the Philly Special and all this. No then no, no,

1066
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 1: we're magnanimous here and it's it's Yeah. Was the NFL

1067
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: cheerleader angle of the Gruden situation really the biggest part

1068
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: of that story? No, but it was. It was a

1069
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: little those little seasoning in that story. And Mark said,

1070
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: a top story involves an NFL cheerleader. There was that

1071
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 1: whole calendar issue around John Gruden and Washington football team.

1072
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: Bang two more sangwiches. Mark, So good for you, buddy.

1073
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: Right there, there's your rob Deer hits one eight. When

1074
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 1: you are when you're projecting these things, and really this

1075
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 1: is the area for all the three are just true

1076
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: experts should be doing this to start with. I mean

1077
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: you you you see things and they feel strong, but

1078
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: when you when you put them into words, which I

1079
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: falter about sometimes. You know, I maybe over the size

1080
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,879
Speaker 1: the size of the story involving the cheerleader, but there's

1081
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: no doubt that, um, you know, once again, totally dead on.

1082
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: And I feel like I've done my I've done my

1083
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: work and I'm ready to just walk out of the

1084
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: room here. So just recap. You've you've won sandwiches um

1085
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: from a racial controversy ending one of the most famous

1086
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: men in the NFL's career, and a sexual misconduct UM

1087
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: allegation and report that ended up, you know, causing Washington's

1088
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: ownership to be changed. That's where you're winning your sandwiches, right,

1089
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: But that's your That's not to be conflated with the

1090
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: idea that I'm prancing around celebrating those things. It's a

1091
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: a prediction of a seconds ago. Well, you're the results,

1092
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: not how I got there and not you know, not

1093
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: what I what it is that I saw. And again

1094
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: there's a Robb Deer component to this. So let's just

1095
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,439
Speaker 1: hit the rest of them here. Baker Mayfield will throw

1096
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: more touch downs than Aaron Rodgers. That just tells you

1097
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: where Mark felt both about Baker and Rogers coming off

1098
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: a vpcas and Rogers finished with thirty seven, Baker just

1099
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: twenty behind him at seventeen. Okay, so not such a

1100
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,439
Speaker 1: shiny result. Imagine if imagine if I told you back

1101
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: in August, Mark, not only will he not do it,

1102
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: you could double Baker's touchdown total and he still won't

1103
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: match Aaron Rodgers. See that would have been a great

1104
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: sandwich prop on your to countermine. And then of course

1105
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: a close but no cigar hand grenade theater. Here a

1106
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: team finishes eight eight and one, so close, but the

1107
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: Steelers uh pull it out in week eighteen, beating the

1108
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: Ravens to finish nine or what were they nine seven

1109
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: and one. You were a Marquis Brown drop away from

1110
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: the I would say the greatest go get my lunch

1111
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: performance in history. If you get that one and with

1112
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: those three and whatever your win loss record would be,

1113
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: that would be it. Wow. Alright now, I mean that

1114
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: that turned that's by the time the season, it turned

1115
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: totally dark on me. So I was not surprised to

1116
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: not get that one on the final Sunday, Greg, I

1117
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: see all read for you, which I didn't trouble and

1118
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: the go get my lunch dot org universe. You are

1119
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: six and seven, which means you've made six sandwiches on

1120
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: other people's incorrect predictions, but none on your own. The

1121
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: Broncos will make the playoffs. Mark got a sandwich on that. Stupidly,

1122
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: I got sucked into some of that Denver hype because

1123
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: I think when Greg, when really Gregg, gets on one

1124
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: in like August and September and he's just completely obsessed

1125
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: with the team like the Broncos, I think it rubbed

1126
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: off on me and I will learn from that going forward.

1127
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: Speaking of which, Greg, Terry McLaurin will finish with a

1128
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: higher ranking and receiving yards and the Rams seed in

1129
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: the NFC. I like the way you worded this one.

1130
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: I did draft Terry McLaurin as well. That didn't work

1131
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: out for me in my fantasy league. I picked up

1132
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: two sang which is here just so everyone knows. And

1133
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: I do applaud you Greg for the setup of it.

1134
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: I did enjoy looking at things from a different perspective.

1135
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: But Terry finished nineteenth in receiving yards. The Rams finished

1136
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: fourth in the NFC soft spots separated three teams from

1137
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: the a f C East will have more victories than

1138
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: the amount of consecutive photos that Mark posted to Instagram

1139
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: of Leonardo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet in early September. Yet

1140
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: Mark was in a bit of a place very early

1141
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: on in the season, and there was a lot of

1142
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: Leo Kate stuff going on. There were nine photos esecutively

1143
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: on social media and what was how was it worded?

1144
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: It had to be more than nine. Three teams have

1145
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: to have more than those photos, so it had to

1146
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: be Dolphins got to nine. Three double digit team, three

1147
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: teams with double digit wins. The Bills got eleven, the

1148
01:00:55,760 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: Pats got ten, the Dolphins gotten nine. If only they

1149
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: could have extended that winning streak uh in week seventeen,

1150
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: they would have hit ten as well. Uh give I

1151
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 1: give Greg credit for some very creative sandwich um word

1152
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: worded propositions. There losses. This one's fun. I like it.

1153
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: Jadeveon Clowney, there was the breathless summer of hype about Clowney.

1154
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: Has been the case his whole career, I said, under

1155
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: four and a half sacks but Clowney did have a presence.

1156
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 1: He was a guy that did some things for the

1157
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: Cleveland defensive line. He had nine sacks. I want to

1158
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: say something I I did not know he finished with

1159
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: nine sacks. That's amazing to me because that means he

1160
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: still doesn't have a double digit sacks season. Well that's

1161
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: one way. He had two in the final game and

1162
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: and got a two fifty dollar bonus because of that.

1163
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: Good for him. Is he under contract for next year? No,

1164
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: but none other than Myles Garrett In A couple of

1165
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: other defensive players are lobbying to bring him back. So

1166
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: you got to get out take take, get the good

1167
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,439
Speaker 1: while the good is getting then make a move. I will.

1168
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: I will set up this prop again next year if

1169
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: he's still in the Browns. Week one, Jets beat the Panthers.

1170
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: Cynthia and I had a wager. I don't even think

1171
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: the should be part of the competition, but it is.

1172
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: I took an l there. Zack Wilson wins Offensive Rookie

1173
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: of the Year. Not quite Zach. That was sometimes I

1174
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 1: like to wish cast in this particular game, um Wilson

1175
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 1: was middling at best for most of his rookie year

1176
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: and really was quite bad. In large trunks chunks are

1177
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: lost to their The a f C will post at

1178
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: least a five forty one winning percentage versus the NFC.

1179
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: The youth. By the way, I love that you didn't

1180
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: take me on this, Greg, Um what the theory here

1181
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: was that? Uh, in September and early September, we were

1182
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: all on this like kick that the a f C

1183
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 1: was much better than the NFC, and um, so I

1184
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: thought that that would lead to success. However, turned out

1185
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 1: that the a f c's winning percentage was seven. Why

1186
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: didn't I take you? That was? I don't know. And

1187
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: let's see, at least two of the following teams will

1188
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: lose ten plus games. This is one you got upset about, Greg,

1189
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: and you didn't take me on it either. At least

1190
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: two two of the following teams will lose ten plus

1191
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: games Steelers and what did Steelers lose? Eight Bears who

1192
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: lost eleven, Saints who lost eight, Cults who lost. Well,

1193
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: that's why I got mad at you. I was like, Um,

1194
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was hanging it, so I didn't

1195
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: take you on that. So I didn't didn't take me

1196
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: and um so you won that one over Mark at

1197
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: least two. No, I lost right, only only one of

1198
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: them had the only one made it yea. And finally

1199
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: Matt Naggie has fired after the season, Mark, you took

1200
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: me on that. That was at some point in our

1201
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: podcast in a random episode, we may that wager, and um, Ricky,

1202
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:04,479
Speaker 1: you had one by the way, you want to jump

1203
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 1: on a second crashed and burned real hard summer summer storylines,

1204
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,919
Speaker 1: run a muck. You had Marquise Callaway, remember the hype

1205
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: around Callaway during the preseason out targets Michael Thomas. But

1206
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 1: this was an important distinction, semi colon upon his return.

1207
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas never returned, so according this was now he

1208
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 1: didn't come to us on this, but I like that

1209
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: he's the he's the arbiter of this stuff. Nick Fourtier

1210
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: said void. He wrote, Michael Thomas never returned, so that

1211
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 1: the wager goes nowhere. It never happens. But didn't I

1212
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: say that he would replace Michael Thomas? I mean target?

1213
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 1: He finished? Yeah, he had eighty four targets for the season,

1214
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 1: and how many did Michael Thomas get. I'm just saying

1215
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 1: that we don't decide this, Ricky. This isn't like when

1216
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:08,439
Speaker 1: Greg was strong arming you in the PIS competition. This year,

1217
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: like the PIS competition, this has a is a nothing

1218
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 1: burger now, just like Ricky hasn't even made a pick

1219
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: in the last three or four weeks somebody, but you

1220
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 1: s it again that again, you kind of set the

1221
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 1: table that you took her spirit away a little bit there, Greg,

1222
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 1: what about last year then when she stopped picking games

1223
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: about a month. But that's not helping her spirit to

1224
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 1: go back into the past and you know, fling more

1225
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 1: arrows at Erica. I think a good New Year's resolution,

1226
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: Greg is to think about Ricky's spirit very very gentle.

1227
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: It needs protection. She has that that tough exterior. She

1228
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: wears that black leather jacket all the time, and she

1229
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 1: rides a motorcycle, but she's she's a flower. Really, Maybe, Greg,

1230
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: maybe at the end of like a Thursday show, you

1231
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 1: could be like, oh, we haven't heard from Erica this

1232
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: whole show. Maybe I should ask her who she locks

1233
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: this week? Like, maybe that would be good instead of

1234
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: trying to push myself into you know, conversation. Yeah, are

1235
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: you're right, I'm not thinking about that. Hey, Mark, we've

1236
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: reached a part of the show where Eric and Greg

1237
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 1: start working out their stuff like in a passive aggressive way.

1238
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: In the middle of the podcast, we're here, we are, well,

1239
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: we gotta give something to the people who waited this

1240
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: long and only got like a void Marquez callaway. Uh, finally,

1241
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: Check was on our show and the ramp up to

1242
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 1: the season, he predicted the Chargers would win the a

1243
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: f C West. They did not win the a f

1244
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: C West. It was the Chiefs. Gosh, they were so close.

1245
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about that that they were like

1246
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: a minute away from being in first place over the

1247
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 1: Chiefs three weeks ago. Now they're not in the playoffs. Yep,

1248
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,959
Speaker 1: that's how it works, all right. There you go check

1249
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 1: it out, go get my lunch dot org. Not only

1250
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 1: does it have the wagers for this season, it has

1251
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 1: every wager ever. And that's just fun because I went

1252
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: back and checked out the all time standings and you

1253
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: get like just random gems like Chris Westling predicting team

1254
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: that drafts Johnny Manzel, the Los Angeles Rams or was

1255
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: it the St. Louis Rams back then. I don't know.

1256
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: We've been doing this a long time because the l

1257
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 1: A Rams, that's amazing. Wow. Anyway, good stuff. And that

1258
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 1: was Quality Time brought to you by Verizon, the official

1259
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 1: five G network of the NFL. All Thursday. That's the

1260
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 1: next time you're gonna hear from us, and we will

1261
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 1: be previewing Super wild Card weekend, a whole bunch of

1262
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: games to break down. We're excited to do it for you. Um,

1263
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 1: So thank you to everybody. And and just heads up,

1264
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: set your DVRs is back. The NFL Network version of

1265
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 1: the Around the NFL podcast. We call it the Broadcast. Uh.

1266
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 1: It is not infringing on Erica's i P because broadcast

1267
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 1: is different than broadcast. It's just it's different. It's that

1268
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Speaker 1: little itty bitty ting. It's different. But I love the plug.

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Speaker 1: Check out the broadcast. Checkouts it ends. And I was

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Speaker 1: going to say, and Greg take a note here, Ricky

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Speaker 1: got split ends this week. What's on the show. We

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Speaker 1: got Mike Golic Jr. From ESPN after the National Championship Game, uh,

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Speaker 1: last night for college talking a little bit of that,

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Speaker 1: talking a little Bachelor because he's a known Bachelor watcher.

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Speaker 1: So it was it was fun. Okay, I've been taking

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Speaker 1: I'm taking notes, Dana. Is this how it works? Check

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Speaker 1: Ricky out on the Jessel Nick and Rosenthal Vanity Project.

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Speaker 1: You know, she speaks a lot more on that than

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Speaker 1: than here. She's really integral part of the show. Erica.

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Speaker 1: Do you worry at all about intense overexposure at some

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Speaker 1: point you're on roughly seventeen different shows. Um? No, because Mark,

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Speaker 1: remember you did like a meditation maybe five years ago

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Speaker 1: when I just started, and it was about me coming

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Speaker 1: from like the corner office of NFL network to shut

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Speaker 1: down around the NFL um. I'm just getting more powerful

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Speaker 1: as time goes on, So it would behoove you to

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Speaker 1: stay on my good side. Let's end the show, all right.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back Thursday. Thank you for listening. Until then,

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Speaker 1: he's a call.