WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Remembering The Rattler

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde, and thanks for downloading

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals Booth Podcast, the Remembering the Rattler edition as

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<v Speaker 1>we mourn the death and celebrate the life of Ken Riley,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the best players and classiest people to ever

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<v Speaker 1>wear a Cincinnati Bengals uniform. He passed away on Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>morning of a heart attack at the age of seventy two.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up, I'll speak to another Bengals legend who is

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<v Speaker 1>Riley's teammate for nine seasons in Cincinnati, Bob Trumpy, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I'll play an interview that Dave Lapham and I

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<v Speaker 1>did with The Rattler back in twenty seventeen after he

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<v Speaker 1>was voted the eleventh best retired player in franchise history.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's a quick reminder that you can add the

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<v Speaker 1>or computer by subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty nine, in the Bengals second season, they selected

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<v Speaker 1>Ken Riley in the sixth round of the NFL draft.

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<v Speaker 1>Riley was a four year starting quarterback for the Florida

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<v Speaker 1>and M Rattlers, where he was a Rhodes Scholar candidate

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<v Speaker 1>and his senior class president. When he got to Cincinnati,

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals coach Tom Bass nicknamed him the Ratler in honor

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<v Speaker 1>of Florida A and M's mascot, and in his first

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<v Speaker 1>training camp, Paul Brown switched Riley from offense to defense.

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<v Speaker 1>For the next fifteen years, he was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>best cornerbacks in football. Riley played in two hundred seven

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<v Speaker 1>games of Bengals record, and was a team captain for

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<v Speaker 1>his final eight seasons. His sixty five career interceptions is

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<v Speaker 1>nearly double the next best total in team history and

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<v Speaker 1>tied for fifth best in NFL history. All four players

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<v Speaker 1>with more interceptions are in the Pro foot Ball Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of Fame, and in his final season, at the age

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<v Speaker 1>of thirty six, Ken Riley was voted First team All

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<v Speaker 1>Pro as he tied for the AFC lead in interceptions

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<v Speaker 1>with eight and returned two of them for touchdowns. His

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<v Speaker 1>success didn't end there after his playing career. Riley spent

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<v Speaker 1>two years on Forrest Greg's coaching staff with the Green

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<v Speaker 1>Bay Packers before becoming the head coach at his alma mater,

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<v Speaker 1>Florida A and M. After eight years as head coach,

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<v Speaker 1>he spent a decade as the school's athletic director. Bob

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<v Speaker 1>Trumpy was Riley's teammate from nineteen sixty nine to nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy seven, and he joined me to share memories of

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<v Speaker 1>the rattler, quiet, wonderful teammate, appreciative of your effort. I

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<v Speaker 1>never heard him say a bad word about anybody, always laughing.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, Dan, when I first found out that Ken

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<v Speaker 1>Riley had been a quarterback in college, I was astonished

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<v Speaker 1>because he was so quiet. He was a hard guy

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<v Speaker 1>to get to know. Not because of any personality flaw.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a hard guy to get to know because

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<v Speaker 1>he was so studious about what he was doing and

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<v Speaker 1>so serious about it. And this is even before your time.

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<v Speaker 1>Lamar Parrish was the other cornerback, and Lamar Parrish was

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<v Speaker 1>the noisy quarterback, and Ken Riley was the quiet quarterback,

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<v Speaker 1>not only in talk but in the way they dressed.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he was a great guy to be around.

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<v Speaker 1>And thank god we had that big reunion a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years ago and we all got to see each other,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was wonderful to see him and his family.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just so broken up about it. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Jim McClair died the year, Sam Whist died this year

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<v Speaker 1>or in the last twelve months. Time is getting to us,

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Horden, Yes, it is. Unfortunately we are visiting with

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Trump Trump. Your second season was Ken Riley's first,

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<v Speaker 1>and as you mentioned, he was a college quarterback. Paul

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<v Speaker 1>Brown made that switch from quarterback to cornerback that first

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<v Speaker 1>training camp. Could you tell pretty quickly that it was

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<v Speaker 1>going to work? No? No, Dan, You got to understand,

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<v Speaker 1>in those early years of that football team, we all

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<v Speaker 1>had our own business to take care of. I did

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<v Speaker 1>not notice Ken Riley. A lot of people have said

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<v Speaker 1>that he had an immediate impact that I noticed during

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<v Speaker 1>the football games. But it seems to me that our

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<v Speaker 1>previous season, Fletcher Smith was one corner and I think

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<v Speaker 1>a guy named Charlie King was the other corner, and

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<v Speaker 1>we played an awful lot of zone back then. And

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<v Speaker 1>when Riley game and Lamar Parris came, we played a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more man to man and Riley was extraordinary at it.

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<v Speaker 1>And again I didn't run plays against him, I ran

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<v Speaker 1>plays against the safety. But the thing that I remembered

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<v Speaker 1>most about him, and we had two practices a day,

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<v Speaker 1>an hour and fifteen minutes each, seven days a week

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<v Speaker 1>for two months in preparation for the season, and other

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<v Speaker 1>than getting his ankles taped, I never saw Ken Riley

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<v Speaker 1>in the training room. So then we sat down to

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<v Speaker 1>tables for breakfast, lunch, and dinner with anybody and everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't care what color they were or where they lived.

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<v Speaker 1>And every time I sat down with Ken Riley, You're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to believe this, but I kind of dominated

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation. Maybe I didn't give Ken Riley a chance,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was friendly with all of them. But every

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<v Speaker 1>time somebody started it, I'm on the sideline with the

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<v Speaker 1>offense the defenses out there. There seemed a period of

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<v Speaker 1>time where every time there was a big cheer from

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<v Speaker 1>the Stanza Rubert Front Stadium, it was something that Ken

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<v Speaker 1>Riley had done. He'd either low balls a Lance Alworth

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<v Speaker 1>or a Notice Taylor of the Kansas City Chiefs, flipped

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<v Speaker 1>them over or had an interception. But again, personally, he

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<v Speaker 1>was just great to be around, the wonderful guy, and

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<v Speaker 1>there was so much about him. I didn't know about

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<v Speaker 1>him until later on in our careers, and then after

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<v Speaker 1>he retired. I wish I'd have known it more. I

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<v Speaker 1>should have shut up and listened to him. We're chatting

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<v Speaker 1>with Bob Trumpy. I mentioned at the beginning of the

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<v Speaker 1>show Trump that the two most obvious Bengals who belong

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<v Speaker 1>in the Hall of Fame that aren't are both named Ken.

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<v Speaker 1>Ken Anderson and Ken Riley. Sixty five career in receptions

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<v Speaker 1>tied for fifth best in NFL history. Why, in your

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<v Speaker 1>opinion isn't he in I don't have a clue. And Frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>when you called me this morning to give me the

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<v Speaker 1>news about Ken's death, don't ever call me with that

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<v Speaker 1>information again. You understand me. Take your phone call. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want that information. But I'm sitting here in my

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<v Speaker 1>office and helped me here. He's got the fifth most interceptions.

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<v Speaker 1>But the people on the list there, Paul cross Leeds,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he was a safety, and Tonnell he was

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<v Speaker 1>a safety, and then night Train Lane was a corner.

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<v Speaker 1>Riley was a corner, and Rod Woodson was a corner

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<v Speaker 1>and a safety. So of the true corners, Riley is

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<v Speaker 1>number two behind Nightrain Lane. That makes makes it even

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<v Speaker 1>more absurd that he's not in the NFL. And I've

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<v Speaker 1>talked to a lot of people in and around the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL and also the Hall of Fame, and I can't

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<v Speaker 1>get anybody's answered for you. One of those Kim's not

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<v Speaker 1>being in the Hall of Fame. But it makes no

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<v Speaker 1>sense to me. It doesn't now, it didn't fifteen years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand it. I mean, you do have to

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<v Speaker 1>certain you do have to do a certain amount of lobbying,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can't explain why, neither of him. And it

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<v Speaker 1>just the thing that makes me most upset about this

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<v Speaker 1>situation for Ken Rally and his family. He will he'll

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<v Speaker 1>never get his just do when he's alive, and he

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<v Speaker 1>certainly deserved to be in the Hall of Fame. The

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<v Speaker 1>thing that I've heard the most when this has been

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<v Speaker 1>discussed in the past is the fact that he never

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<v Speaker 1>went to a Pro Bowl, and that in and of

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<v Speaker 1>itself is probably even more staggering to me than that

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<v Speaker 1>he's not in the Hall of Fame. He was All

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<v Speaker 1>Pro three times, which is really more prestigious than the

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<v Speaker 1>Pro Bowl because there are a few fewer members of

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<v Speaker 1>the All Pro team each year. But I guess he

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<v Speaker 1>had the misfortune of being on the team as at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time as Lamar. They were both great players,

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<v Speaker 1>and Lamar had the added boost of being a great

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<v Speaker 1>return man. And maybe that's why he got to go

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<v Speaker 1>to six Pro Bowls when Ken was not selected for any. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it's fair to say that on an

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<v Speaker 1>expansion team like the Cincinnati Bengals, how can you have

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<v Speaker 1>two cornerbacks from the same team make the Pro Bowls squad.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the most logical thing that I've ever come across.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with you, Dan, And again there's no criticism

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<v Speaker 1>of Lamar Parish, but he was the noisy one and

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<v Speaker 1>Ken Riley wore thirteen on the other side of the field.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're right, Lamar, I will admit this. When Lamar

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<v Speaker 1>showed up and started returning punts, I'm on the sideline

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<v Speaker 1>with the offense, But when he went on the field

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<v Speaker 1>to return a punt, I got up to watch. Generally speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>I was sitting on the beach catching my breath. I

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<v Speaker 1>watched Lamar Parish returned punts, and for the life of me,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't understand why there's not more consideration for Ken

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<v Speaker 1>Riley and the three All pros should tell somebody something.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's overset and done with and that's the damn

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<v Speaker 1>shame about it. He won't be alive if he ever

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<v Speaker 1>does get the reward. Paul Brown sought smart football players,

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<v Speaker 1>and so many of the guys from your era, yourself included,

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<v Speaker 1>went on to have tremendous careers after football. Tommy Casanova,

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Mike Read, musician, yourself broadcasting, in Ken Riley's case,

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<v Speaker 1>highly successful college head coach, athletic director after that. So

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<v Speaker 1>he lived up to that that Paul Brown mantra that

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<v Speaker 1>your life does not end when you take your final

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<v Speaker 1>snap in the NFL. Yeah, you're right. And he used

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<v Speaker 1>to constantly preach to us that professional football is a springboard.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to give you a good start. It's up

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<v Speaker 1>to you to do something with it when you're done.

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<v Speaker 1>And Riley, I mean, he didn't live here in the offseason.

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<v Speaker 1>He went back to Florida and then he would come

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<v Speaker 1>back to Cincinnati. And that was true for an awful

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<v Speaker 1>lot of awful lot of players. That not only did

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<v Speaker 1>players return to where they came from in college, most

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<v Speaker 1>of them went back to their hometown. And I know

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<v Speaker 1>he went back to Bartow, Florida, a very small town

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<v Speaker 1>there in Florida. But man, when he showed up every year,

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<v Speaker 1>he was in superb shape. He was quiet, let's get

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<v Speaker 1>the job done. And again, I spent a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>time in the training room. I was breakable, he was not.

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<v Speaker 1>I never saw that guy in the in the training

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<v Speaker 1>room unless we break after the morning meetings, preparing for lunch.

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<v Speaker 1>He came in the training room to get Essex Johnson

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<v Speaker 1>to go to lunch, and Essex was sitting there watching

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<v Speaker 1>All My Family or whatever his favorite soap opera was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was he's trying to sneak a pet. But a

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful guy, and I know he was the captain of

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<v Speaker 1>the last eight years of his career, well deserved. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's heartbreaking. These guys are all dropping all around us,

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<v Speaker 1>and and I'm seventy five, one of the oldest guys

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<v Speaker 1>in the group. I hope you here for a lot longer. Trump. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw him two years ago. He still looked in

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<v Speaker 1>magnifficent shape, still had that mustache that he always had,

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<v Speaker 1>and certainly appeared to be Christine else So darn curse

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<v Speaker 1>my heart. As Bob Trumpy mentioned in that interview, ken

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<v Speaker 1>Riley was not a guy that spent much time in

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<v Speaker 1>the training room. Think about this, It's hard for cornerbacks

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<v Speaker 1>to avoid injuries. They sprint up and down the field

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<v Speaker 1>on nearly every snap and often have to tackle much

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<v Speaker 1>bigger players coming at them at full speed. Ken Riley

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<v Speaker 1>did not miss a single game in eleven of his

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen NFL seasons and never missed more than three in

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<v Speaker 1>a single year. Before we get to our next conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>here's a quick reminder that you can take your Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>when the Bengals celebrated their fiftieth season, fans and media

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<v Speaker 1>voted to select the top fifty retired players in team history.

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<v Speaker 1>Ken Riley came in at number eleven, third among defensive players,

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<v Speaker 1>behind Tim Crumry and David Culture. The players on that

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<v Speaker 1>list were honored throughout the season at Paul Brown Stadium,

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<v Speaker 1>and before he returned to Cincinnati, ken Riley joined Dave

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<v Speaker 1>Lapham and me I'm the Bengals Game Plan Show. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>lap you know what Paul Brown always said, you win

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<v Speaker 1>football games with good smart people. Ken Riley is the

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<v Speaker 1>epitome just a great person, unbelievably intelligent, great football IQ

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<v Speaker 1>and a successful guy. I mean, he'd be proud of you, Ratler.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything you've accomplished, not just as a football player and

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<v Speaker 1>here in Cincinnati, but coaching athletic director, everything you've done

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<v Speaker 1>after football. That's what Peebe was all about, wasn't he. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was one of the thing he stressed a part us,

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<v Speaker 1>not only the football part of that, what you did

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<v Speaker 1>after you couldn't play anymore. He wanted to be the

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<v Speaker 1>citizen in your community. And you know the people he selected.

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<v Speaker 1>That was Paul Brown's mold. I mean, he selected people

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<v Speaker 1>that were intelligent. You know. You know you're back in

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<v Speaker 1>the DA camp had to pass that six. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So he started so he very wise and had that

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<v Speaker 1>way rightly. You know the thing that you were, you

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<v Speaker 1>were one of the cornerstones that the franchise was built on.

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<v Speaker 1>You were here in the early days and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>survived all of that craziness and then the payoff was

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<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl sixteen in nineteen eighty one, eighty two. You're

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<v Speaker 1>still performing at a high level. You know, three decades.

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<v Speaker 1>You played here, three decades at a high level for

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<v Speaker 1>the in three different decades, and a high level for

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<v Speaker 1>the Cincinnati Bengals. And to go through that the early

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<v Speaker 1>stages of the franchise all the way to the Super Bowl,

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<v Speaker 1>the payoff towards the end of your career, what was

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<v Speaker 1>that journey like? Well, you know it was it was good.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we were fourth and I did in the

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<v Speaker 1>second year. It was the nineteen seventy went to the

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<v Speaker 1>playoffs at N seven three seventy six, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>know we were gets played during an arrow where we

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<v Speaker 1>had some We had a great conference, you know, you

0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:59.480
<v Speaker 1>since Fanconati Cleveland having it was a strone that was

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<v Speaker 1>black and blew with that particulars that man right. Unfortunately

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<v Speaker 1>pour sputing in the way. But you know it was

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<v Speaker 1>great and it's telling the my career eighty two eighty three,

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<v Speaker 1>I would thinks about the time and carst Grade came

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<v Speaker 1>along and you were taught and convinced me to come

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<v Speaker 1>back again. And I don't regret it. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>we had to conference my last two years eighty two

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<v Speaker 1>and eighty three US in such and so I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>say it on the bench. I played fifteen years, so

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<v Speaker 1>after that, you know, side my first year, so it

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<v Speaker 1>was it was great. They had a great teammates. I

0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:33.600
<v Speaker 1>think eighty eighty one two team. I thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>a great football team. But you know again, San Francisco

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<v Speaker 1>stated gob both every went through the bow, so that's

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<v Speaker 1>where it goes. Bengals legend. Ken Riley is our guest. Ken,

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<v Speaker 1>you are a great quarterback at Florida A and M,

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<v Speaker 1>and then switched to cornerback when you got to the Bengals.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to listen into a comment from Mike Brown

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<v Speaker 1>on you making that switch as a rookie back in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty nine. Kenny came up out of college as

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<v Speaker 1>a quarterback. Same year we drafted Greg Cook number one

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<v Speaker 1>from you see, Greg Cook was the greatest talent we

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<v Speaker 1>ever had here. His career ended tragically soon he was

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<v Speaker 1>injured and that ended him as a player. But when

0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Kenny showed up, Greg Cook was in full bloom and

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't take Kenny long to figure out what that meant.

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<v Speaker 1>Just in the second day of training camp, my father

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<v Speaker 1>came over to the quarterbacks and said to Kenny, go

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<v Speaker 1>over and practice with the defensive backs, and Kenny's feelings

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't hurt. He understood that it was going to be

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<v Speaker 1>hard for him with Greg on hand, he went over

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<v Speaker 1>with the cornerbacks. He was our starter for fifteen years.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's the question, Ken, if Greg Cook was not

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<v Speaker 1>on the roster, could you have succeeded quarterback in the NFL?

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<v Speaker 1>I regin. I took anything in a voice from anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>I was pretty much like I asked me. I was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty hit as a quarterback, but more like Russell Wilson

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<v Speaker 1>Bob a little bit faster. But I have no regrets

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<v Speaker 1>at all. I was just happy to get the opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>back then. You know, been a quarterback at a small

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<v Speaker 1>school and even traffic for Course Brown and even drafted,

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<v Speaker 1>you have been an opportunity. I would thankful. I just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to get it Dan, to show that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I could do it. A lot of people doubt it

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<v Speaker 1>that I would make it, even some of my college teams,

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<v Speaker 1>because I was pampered. It's like any quarterbacks. Nobody touched

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<v Speaker 1>me in prices and things like that. But uh, you

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<v Speaker 1>know I had the skills and the Tom Bass came

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<v Speaker 1>and showed me what I had to do. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have any bad habit. So and when Paul Brown was

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<v Speaker 1>got any camp foot, Brown said, you were cornerback, Sow.

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<v Speaker 1>But Grig could was phenomenal. And you know he was

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<v Speaker 1>a great, great friend of mine. And but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>outside of Grid, I think I could have compute it.

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<v Speaker 1>But Grig that was a quarterback during that tack. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Greg was. He was a freak. He had some some

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<v Speaker 1>unusual talent he did. He had it all he was.

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<v Speaker 1>He was Joe Namas before Joe Namas exactly. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no doubt everybody like him. He had that personality.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we all loved because yeah, it was great.

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<v Speaker 1>It was something so Ratler. You know, your your career

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<v Speaker 1>after playing football, you're coached, you know at your Alma

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<v Speaker 1>Mata athletic director. How much of Paul Brown, Forrest Greg,

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<v Speaker 1>those kind of influences as coaches in your playing days

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<v Speaker 1>did you take with you, you know, to your career

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<v Speaker 1>after playing a lot and you know, when you're playing,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going through it as a player. You can't see

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<v Speaker 1>some of the things that maybe a coach can see.

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<v Speaker 1>But all those people that you mentioned, Coach Brown, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Forest or you know, I learned something from all of them.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt that the main thing is what you you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to your player, that the one to play

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<v Speaker 1>for you. And I think that was a thing as

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<v Speaker 1>the coach Brown, you know you played, I played out

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<v Speaker 1>of fear. You know you would tell you right then

0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:12.399
<v Speaker 1>and there you wouldn't get the job now what your

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<v Speaker 1>consequences were. So you usually had your two things either

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<v Speaker 1>get better or you you go on. And it could

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<v Speaker 1>Brig brought in that uh. He was just a disciplinarian.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's what we needed that particular time. Coach

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<v Speaker 1>all our life is a big coach and motivated, but

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<v Speaker 1>we had a lot of young players and you know

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<v Speaker 1>they needed a firm hand at that particular time. I

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<v Speaker 1>could have played for either one of them, but coach

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<v Speaker 1>Greg teaming with that uh discipline that we needed. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know the next year we was in the super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>But I landed something from both of them as a

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<v Speaker 1>players are courch and you know both of them and

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<v Speaker 1>known to me and made a bit difference in my

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<v Speaker 1>life on and off the field. I last something from

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<v Speaker 1>final question, appreciate appreciate your carving the time force you

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<v Speaker 1>have Rattler the first fifty team in the secondary huh,

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<v Speaker 1>Lamar Parish, Kenny Riley, Tommy Cassanova, three of the four

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<v Speaker 1>guys David Fulcher rounded it out. Three of the four

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<v Speaker 1>players in the first fifty all time for the Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals franchise were some of the original players selected by

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Brown and company. That's that's a big statement to me.

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<v Speaker 1>That says a lot. How proud of you that three

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<v Speaker 1>of you four guys are, you know, here in the

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<v Speaker 1>year two thousand and seventeen being honored as one of

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<v Speaker 1>the all as a group all time greats. Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought Lamar and asked. We made a good time though.

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<v Speaker 1>We were. I mean, we were pretty good and Captain

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<v Speaker 1>Lowe was reather than mow as well. Lewis Breeden came along.

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<v Speaker 1>He was good too, but you know at the time

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<v Speaker 1>Lewis came after. Lewis sort of learned from us a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit that right, But there was a great secondary

0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:49.760
<v Speaker 1>we played with other that we were good at owning

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<v Speaker 1>off and garn with chip chip chipping a wide receivers too, yep,

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<v Speaker 1>but super good about pity raly. But we all were

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<v Speaker 1>framed clothes and uh, we worked real hard in practice,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that's a major difference. You know, we

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<v Speaker 1>were hard in practice. So we got in the game,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like, you know, it was a lot easier,

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<v Speaker 1>but those three guys lamar myself and cashing out. But

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<v Speaker 1>we made it. Uh. That was that was a great

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<v Speaker 1>second area. And I think we could have played even

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<v Speaker 1>to day. I mean we were just that good, no doubt,

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<v Speaker 1>no doubt. Sixty five just got the job there. Done

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five career interceptions, tied for fifth in NFL history,

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<v Speaker 1>about twice as many as anybody else in the Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>first forty nine seasons. Congratulations on a remarkable career, and

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<v Speaker 1>again we look forward to seeing you back on the

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<v Speaker 1>field this Sunday and should be in the Hall of Fame,

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<v Speaker 1>request Ratley, you should be in the Hall of Fame. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we are civil guys. You know that's uh.

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<v Speaker 1>On our team, it's worth the other. But again, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't make that decision. And I don't think you could

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<v Speaker 1>do it good. I didn't be the best you can be.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully some kind of noticed that. A lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>forts lighting it right, it's a good you're doing so

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<v Speaker 1>I did you work, But I think that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I really thank you for saying it. But who knows.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe one day. Here's hoping that Ken Riley's passing raises

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<v Speaker 1>awareness among the Hall of Fame Seniors committee that evaluates

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<v Speaker 1>players whose careers have been completed for at least twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five years that the Rattler belongs in Canton. That's going

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