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Speaker 1: The official show begins now. Eli Sustan with you today,

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Speaker 1: the managing editor of Fish Stripes and the usual host

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Speaker 1: of the flagship show on the Fish Stripes podcast. For years,

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Speaker 1: we've been calling that show fish Bites, but a rebrand

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Speaker 1: has been long overdue. So moving forward, pretty much every week,

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Speaker 1: Marlins fans can tune in for a new episode of

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Speaker 1: the official show offificial Get it Fish. The topic that's

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Speaker 1: top of mind right now MLB free agency. The signing

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Speaker 1: period opens on Sunday afternoon, and we're recording this on

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Speaker 1: Monday afternoon, where for the moment there are one hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty one major league free agents available. Unfortunately, we

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Speaker 1: expect that number to grow later to this month as

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Speaker 1: the non tender deadline approaches, more teams cutting cost on

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Speaker 1: viable players to do concerns about their revenues. The Marlins

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Speaker 1: got involved in free agency last winter. They made some

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Speaker 1: incremental improvements to the roster, several of which paid big

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Speaker 1: dividends once the shortened season progressed. But to be honest,

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Speaker 1: for three plus years into the tenure of new team

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Speaker 1: ownership and we're still awaiting that big splash. So this

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Speaker 1: episode will evaluate all the veteran players who kind of

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Speaker 1: fit into that category, who qualify as being a big

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Speaker 1: splash that you can envision being with Marlins through the

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Speaker 1: primes of their careers and being contributors to what we

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Speaker 1: hope are contenders year in and year out. Making his

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Speaker 1: debut with me on the pod. It's Distrap's intern, Daniel Rodriguez.

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Speaker 1: You ready to spend some fake money on good baseball players, Daniel.

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Speaker 2: Eli, I've been writing my whole life that spent some

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Speaker 2: fake money on the Marlins. I think this is going

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Speaker 2: to be great. I think it's probably the most important

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Speaker 2: offseason for the Marlins, not only a year after winning

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Speaker 2: the playoffs, but also trying to get a manager also

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Speaker 2: for the Marlins. I think this is going to be

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Speaker 2: a great offseason and I'm ready to start the official podcast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be. That's the first order of business,

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, is the Marlins part ways with Michael

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Speaker 1: and still no specific word on who's going to replace him,

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Speaker 1: whether they're going to even go outside the organization to

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Speaker 1: replace him, who if anybody's been interviewed for that. They're

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Speaker 1: league of every team really like figuring out how they

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Speaker 1: want to deal with revenue losses last year related to

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Speaker 1: the pandemic, and we don't know exactly how much the

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Speaker 1: Marlins are going to spend. I did want to dedicate

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Speaker 1: most of the show to look at the guys that

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Speaker 1: are those cornerstone type players. This pot is going to

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Speaker 1: go up right in time for Election Day. Hopefully everybody

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Speaker 1: out there has voted and played your part in this democracy,

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Speaker 1: and when we're voting for the President of the United States,

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Speaker 1: we're giving that person a four year term. And that's

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Speaker 1: kind of the figure that I had in minds with

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Speaker 1: these type of top free agents available. It's not a

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Speaker 1: of everything. They've done a good job rebuilding the organization

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Speaker 1: But if you actually envision this team being a postseason

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Speaker 1: I sent you some of the names that we already

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Speaker 1: And one I guess one prediction out there from fangraps.

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Speaker 1: But we know last year this Marlins offense was inconsistent,

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Speaker 2: I think he worked really well with Starling Marte, another

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Speaker 2: Also for Ozuna, they're really looking at him, giving him

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Speaker 3: And then he just.

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Speaker 1: A big question weighing over him, and I guess a

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Speaker 1: And with Azuna, he's someone that was a Gold Glove

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Speaker 1: paid player on the Marlins roster. Yes, I'm wondering what

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Speaker 1: Is that something that they should be looking to address

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Speaker 5: I think it's I think they should.

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Speaker 2: The first thing that comes to my mind, and when

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Speaker 5: Even both of these gather are shortstops.

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Speaker 2: just insane. A couple of years before that it was

436
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 2: around four ERA, but the last two seasons around one.

437
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 2: I think Liam Hendricks is a perfect trick for the

438
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Speaker 2: Marlins and the organization.

439
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Speaker 1: What makes him a little bit tricky is because he's

440
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Speaker 1: not that conventional stud reliever in terms of his total

441
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 1: career trajectory. It took him a while to reach his place,

442
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: and he wasn't someone that was even on people's radars

443
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Speaker 1: a few years years ago. It took him a while

444
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 1: to necessarily to specify as a reliever. I mean, he

445
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 1: had some he had some previous themes that tried him

446
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 1: in different roles, and yeah, it didn't translate the same way.

447
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: He didn't. He didn't even look like a big swing

448
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 1: and miss guy earlier in his career. Like the profile

449
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: has completely changed too, So that's what makes it. You

450
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 1: now have back to back years where he's been incredible.

451
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 1: Everything before that, though, was a lot different, and that's

452
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 1: probably what's gonna make him. There is some risk, I

453
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 1: mean with any reliever that he signed, there is some

454
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 1: real risking with him. It's that he has a very

455
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: unusual backgrounds. But you really can't argue with the results

456
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 1: last two years. So yeah, for me, it's an automatic

457
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: guy for them to pursue if they somehow can get

458
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: him for only two guaranteed years. I have a feeling

459
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 1: he's someone that will push for a thirty year just

460
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 1: because of how inarguably successful he's been and in the playoffs,

461
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: the things that I love to see is how he

462
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,719
Speaker 1: really stretched his limits. He's not a guy that's limited

463
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Speaker 1: to one ending at a time. I think he went

464
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: as many as fifty pitches in one of those postseason

465
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: outings when his team didn't trust anybody else. And you

466
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 1: love to see that his competitiveness, and that his competitiveness,

467
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: especially in his free agent year. This is one big

468
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: opportunity to get a payday. And he wouldn't blame a

469
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: guy for being a little bit protective of their health

470
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: and trying to be very cautious about that, and he

471
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: threw all that out the window in order to help

472
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Speaker 1: his team win. So a guy that I definitely have

473
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Speaker 1: in mind as well. And we're gonna switch over very

474
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Speaker 1: shortly to the guys that received qualifying offers. The one

475
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: other that was somewhat of a surprising player that didn't

476
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: actually have a qualifying offer extended to him was outfielder

477
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: Michael Brantley, who the last two years with the Houston

478
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: Astros has been incredible. For most of the four or

479
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 1: five years before that with the Indians, he'd been an

480
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: extremely consistent hitter as well. I mean, he's a guy

481
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: that when you think of a professional hitter, he is

482
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: kind of top of mind earlier in his career. Was

483
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 1: an amazing all around player both off and defensively at

484
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: this stage of his career, kind of like Ozuna corner

485
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: outfielder who just who just mashes the ball against everybody,

486
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: plays every single day. A little bit older than I

487
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: think all the players that we've discussed so far, he's

488
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 1: the oldest one, pretty deep into his thirties at this point,

489
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 1: and for that reason, he wouldn't be getting the same

490
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: kind of contract length as these other guys that we've

491
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: already discussed, but just someone that is an extremely consistent

492
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 1: hitter and above all other priorities. That's the one thing

493
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: the Marlins are looking for, kind of regardless of position,

494
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: is guys that just crushed the ball. So the last

495
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 1: two years combined from him hitting a three ZHO nine

496
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: batting average, three seventy on base for ninety seven slugging,

497
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: and once he got to the playoffs too, he was

498
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: a pretty big part of that astrosne He's not the

499
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: first name that comes to minds when you think of

500
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: the Astros, but thankfully he arrived there after the cheating

501
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: the supposed cheating seasons, so he wasn't caught up in

502
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: all that controversy. But someone's dead is just such a

503
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: consistent hitter, So we'll go back to you again. Is

504
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Speaker 1: a guy that is, as I said, older than these

505
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: other players that we've discussed, But is he someone that

506
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: you see as a potential fit and what would you

507
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: be comfortable to spending on somebody like him?

508
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Speaker 5: I think some For Michael Browny, I think personally he

509
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 5: probably should have accepted the qualifying offer because he probably

510
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 5: get less than what the qualifying offer is for players

511
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 5: qualifyers around eighteen million dollars. Some predictions for Brandley have

512
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 5: him around twenty four million dollars, but over the course

513
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 5: of two years, which I think will be pretty good

514
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 5: for the Marlins. I don't think.

515
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 2: I don't think you should give Michael Bradley three years

516
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 2: four years. He's thirty three years old. I think they're

517
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: giving him maybe a one year, two year deal will

518
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 2: be best. Don't really overspend for someone like Michael Bradley.

519
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: If you want maybe some more twenty million over two years,

520
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: he accepts it, I wouldn't go overboard for him. But

521
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 2: he did have a great season last year, hitting three hundred.

522
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 2: As you said, professional hitter his career. His career average

523
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: is two ninety seven, which I think will be perfect

524
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 2: for the Marlins having someone like Michael Bradley, especially in

525
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: leadership with all those views in Cleveland going into the

526
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 2: World Series, being in a championship team like the Houston Astros,

527
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,959
Speaker 2: I think when you have someone in his leadership his

528
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 2: career hitting, I think you have to go over to

529
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 2: get someone like Michael Brawley.

530
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 5: But I really wouldn't go overboard.

531
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Speaker 2: They're all there better outfielders in this class to get

532
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 2: besides Michael Bradley. But if you cannot get guys maybe

533
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 2: like George Springer, another Houston Astro, and Marcel Zuna, I

534
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 2: think Michael Bradley be a great fit for the Marlins.

535
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: If you can't get someone like Springer or like a Zuna.

536
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,479
Speaker 1: Well, well, from here we're going to transition to the

537
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 1: real top tier guys in this for aging class. And

538
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: what distinguishes them is that they've all been offered that

539
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: qualifying offer eighteen point nine million dollars for a year.

540
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: The one that we won't really go into is Kevin

541
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: Gossman with the Giants, because I think he's pretty likely

542
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: to accept that qualifying offer. Unlikely to hit the open market,

543
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: someone with a very mixed track record, who has amazing

544
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: pure stuff, but someone that I don't think is necessarily

545
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: going to get to that market. And we've already mentioned

546
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: how La Marlins are going to be pretty reluctant to

547
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: spend big on starting pitching. The other five players, the

548
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: ones that were tendered these qualifying offers, JT. Reel Muto

549
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: from the Phillies, Trevor Bauer from the Reds, George Springer

550
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: from the Astros, DJ Lemayhew from the Yankees, and Marcus

551
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: Stroman from the Mets. And we're gonna start with the

552
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: one that our listeners are most familiar with, JT. Real Muto,

553
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: who has at this point emerged as the consensus best

554
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: catcher in Major League Baseball. He sort of immerged like

555
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: that a couple of years ago with the Marlins, but

556
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: then as soon as they traded him to the Phillies,

557
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: he has been on that same level. He's been just

558
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: consistently great all around offensively, defensively, someone that runs the

559
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: bases better than almost any other in the game. I mean,

560
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: the offense on its own won't blow you away. It's

561
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: better than the league average, but only about twelve to

562
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: fifteen percent better than the league average. Someone that's not

563
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: going to hit three hundred, someone that's not going to

564
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: get on base a ton, but he has hit for

565
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: a little bit more power since that trade to the Phillies.

566
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: And also over those last two seasons combined thirteen stolen bases,

567
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: which is very high total for any catcher out there.

568
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: And the durability really stands out as well. I mean,

569
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: especially during twenty nineteen with the Phillies, I think he

570
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: was far and away the leader in games caught across

571
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball. This year, he had that end of

572
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: the season disrupted by a minor hip issue, and I

573
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: think that's something that could drag down his payday a

574
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: little bit.

575
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 5: The fact that.

576
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: You look at other catchers that I've gotten these really

577
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: big commitments in the past, what stands out most are

578
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: Joe Mauer and bust Or Posey. He's not quite at

579
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: that same level, but he's only maybe a half tier below.

580
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: And those are guys that midway through these big contracts,

581
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they either can't stay on the

582
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: field or you're not comfortable playing them at catcher all

583
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: the time. If he's someone that turns thirty years old

584
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: in March, and technically that's for most positions, that's right

585
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: in the prime of your career. But for catcher, the

586
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: agent curve looks a little bit different. The expectations for

587
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: his contracts are kind of all over the map. There

588
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: was reports a couple of weeks ago about him hoping

589
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: to reach two hundred million dollars, But the behavior that

590
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: we've seen across the league since then, in terms of

591
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: how teams handled all these players on options and all

592
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: the surprising decisions to cut costs forever possible, it makes

593
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: it it makes it impossible to believe that he's going

594
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: to reach two hundred million. But at the very least,

595
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: he's someone that I think, more than just about any

596
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: player we've discussed already, he's someone that I think will

597
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: get somewhat of a long term deal, whether it be

598
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Speaker 1: four years, five, maybe six years, And for someone at

599
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: his level that expects to be the highest paid catcher

600
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: in the game, that's going to go north of one

601
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. So he's someone that for all I

602
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: said about him and the risk involved, in the commitment involved,

603
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: and the fact that the Marlins would have to sacrifice

604
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: their twenty twenty one second round draft pick. All I

605
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: said the Marlins one of their biggest questions is the

606
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: catcher position. So from that standpoint, he seems to be

607
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: a great fit. In terms of the team building side

608
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: of it.

609
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: Well, like I said before about you know other ones,

610
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: about other positions in Marlins need, this is the one

611
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 2: that they need the most.

612
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 5: Catcher, Hoyl Faro has not really been with them I've

613
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 5: hoped for.

614
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: We have to bring in Chai Wallach, a guy who's

615
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 2: someone who's hitting around two hundred left in two hundred

616
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: for Johey a farop. It's not really the best news

617
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,479
Speaker 2: for the Marlins. J t Romto, easily the best catcher

618
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: in baseball, has had some of his best years right

619
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: now in Philly. If you include both of the last

620
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: two seasons, he's hit around thirty six whole runs in

621
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: over one hundred and eighty games, which is really insane.

622
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: Like at first catcher, especially in this era, hitting over

623
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 2: thirty home runs, his average is around two point eighty

624
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: for his career, which is really good. But I'd love

625
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 2: to see the irony him coming in playing with our

626
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: Firo the god Marlins traded for him coming back.

627
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 5: Predictions for him go around four years, one hundred million dollars.

628
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: Especially now with the revenue cutting costs, it's not really

629
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: looking likely for some players. I think when you have

630
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: some of these players, you should take the qualifying offer

631
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: going to free agency.

632
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 5: Another year when you have more money.

633
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 2: Inside the revenue be able to get that two hundred

634
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: million dollar contract one hundred and fifty million dollars compared

635
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: to just one hundred million dollars now. I think that

636
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: Rlans should go after him, but it's really hard to

637
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: discuss when you have that so much money on just

638
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 2: one position. With the Marlins desperately need helping other positions

639
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 2: like relief, pitching and outfielder. But I think j T

640
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: should come to Miami. I think it will be a

641
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: great issues for him, But he loves Miami. You could

642
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: see maybe he on Twitter. He kind of likes Miami's post.

643
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: I know if you've seen that, he likes like some

644
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: post talking about Miami. But I think JT should come

645
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: to Miami. I think it would be a great fit,

646
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: But it just all depends on JT and the money.

647
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: Four years one hundred million will be maybe too much

648
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: for Fish.

649
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: There are some breadcrumbs out there about a possible connection.

650
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: I mean, the one that I dug up a couple

651
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,479
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, right when the Marlins were finishing their

652
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: postseason run, is that Craig Mish, one of our favorite

653
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: insiders covering the Marlins. He was hosting a post game

654
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: stream after one of the playoff games, and JT it

655
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: showed that he tuned into the stream. It showed that

656
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: his account was watching that postgame lot stream. I don't

657
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: think there's anything to that he missed. Has a personal

658
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: relationship with JT, and I think that has more to

659
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: do with it than actually being interested in the Marlins

660
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: commentary or anything like that. There's gonna be much competition

661
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: for him. That's going to be the key is that

662
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: even though a lot of those projections have been adjusted,

663
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: as you said, only four years and one hundred million dollars,

664
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Speaker 1: my expectation is it's still going to go higher than that,

665
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: just because of all the teams that need a catcher

666
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: as well aside from the Marlins. I mean, I'm not

667
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: comfortable with what the Marlin situation is at, and I

668
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: mean personally, I think there's a lot of trade candidates

669
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: out there that they're going to consider to address that,

670
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: But the vast majority of Major League teams just don't

671
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: know exactly what they're going to get from their catcher

672
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: moving forward. And I mean, the one big suitor that

673
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: has emerged, at least hypothetically is the New York Mets,

674
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: who haven't had much catchup production at all the last

675
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: few years, and their new owner, Steve Cohen just officially

676
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: acquired the team that they'll be unafraid to improve, especially

677
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: if it keeps them away from a division rival in

678
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: the Phillies, and it keeps them away from a division

679
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: rival in the Marlins. At the same time, I think

680
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: that's an extra intentive for the Marlins to take it

681
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: seriously because worked the same way, the teams that they're

682
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: playing for almost half of their schedule want this same player.

683
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: He fits for almost every team. And if you think

684
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: at the end of the day that the Phillies and

685
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: the Mets are going to be two of the most

686
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 1: aggressive teams for him, then not only do you add

687
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: this kind of talent back into your organization, but it

688
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: blocks him from going to an opponent that you play

689
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: the most often. I think, above everything else, it would

690
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: just be so satisfying to have him and six Do

691
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: Sanchez on the roster together, knowing that Sixto was the

692
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: guy that they acquired in the trade for real Duto

693
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: trading him away in the first place. That would be

694
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: the Marlins already got the last laugh from that deal,

695
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: as long as the Phillies don't resign him. But yeah,

696
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: it'd be so satisfying to have him and Sixto playing

697
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: in the same games, you know, starting playoff games together,

698
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: And that'd be great. That'd just be really satisfying. I think,

699
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: even forget about the dollars and cents of it and

700
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: whether or not it makes sense, whether it's efficient enough

701
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: for this team, it would just be such a popular move,

702
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: in such an enjoyable move to have him on the team.

703
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: I think a lot of fans agree with that.

704
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 5: Easily.

705
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 2: J two is one of the best, probably one of

706
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 2: the best catchers in team history, easily the best catcher

707
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 2: in baseball. I think D two would just make so

708
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: many people happy coming back to Miami, especially with the

709
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: Martins have gone through over the last couple of years

710
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: now making the playoffs.

711
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 5: You know, JT is seeing the.

712
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 2: Martins make the playoffs and not the Phillies, especially when

713
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 2: the Phillies got Bryce Harper, they had all these big

714
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: expectations getting Joe Girardi. Maybe dra T probably not would

715
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: like to come to Miami seeing that, Okay, this is

716
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: a playoff team. They they have six Sanchez, Sandia Cantara there,

717
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: They're need help and catch a position. I think d

718
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: T would be a great fit in Miami, and I'll

719
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: welcome his return. I'll be the first one greeting him

720
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 2: at the airport if he does choose to come to Miami.

721
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: The two other players that have mentioned briefly before that

722
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: are that are kind of in the discussion with him

723
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: for the time free agent available or George Springer, the

724
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: Astros outfielder, and Trevor Bawer most recently the Reds. We

725
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: expect Trevor Bower is going to be the reigning an

726
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: l CY Young Winner, and I think with both of

727
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: those guys we think as unlikely as JT as those

728
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: probably seem even more like just probably not even worth discussing,

729
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: just because there's gonna be a lot of composition, and

730
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: because the price is gonna be so high, and because

731
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: you still have that draft pick factor, and because they're

732
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 1: at positions where the Marlins already feel sort of comfortable

733
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: with themselves. But I think you already mentioned that you're

734
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: a big fan of Springer, and how just forgetting whether

735
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: he's in center field or left field, the bat alone

736
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: and his postseason track record makes him a great fit.

737
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: A guy that's been so consistent for me, I think

738
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: Trevor Bower is just worth a little bit of a

739
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: thought just because he's a guy that has been so

740
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: durable as a pitcher. He hasn't been super consistent with

741
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: his effectiveness. He had that big breakout year in twenty eighteen,

742
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: and then of course this year he took it to

743
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: another step forward during the shortened season. But above all

744
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: that else, he just the only high profile injury he

745
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: had in his career. I don't know if you remember this.

746
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 1: It was during the playoff run with Indians in twenty

747
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: seventeen when he had an accident with a homemade drone

748
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: that he had at home that he was playing around with,

749
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: and like, he cut his finger and they thought they

750
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: like healed it up, and they thought they patched it

751
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: up correctly. And then as soon as he got on

752
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: the mound to start a playoff game, the fingers started

753
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: bleeding again, and it was so bad that he like

754
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,959
Speaker 1: I think he only made it through that first inning,

755
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: or maybe he didn't even complete that first inning. That

756
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: It's just never been anything quite like that where a

757
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: player had a playoff game disrupted by a non baseball

758
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: injury and it made such a big they were able

759
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: to win that series anyway. Well, but that being said,

760
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: he's someone that for all actually baseball related activities, he

761
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: has such a great track record of actually being on

762
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: the mounds every fifth day, and aside from Sandiel Coms,

763
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: for all these other rotation candidates that the Marlins have,

764
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: they just simply have not been through a full length

765
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: major league season before. Pablo Lopez a great breakout year

766
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, but he has a couple instances of

767
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: shoulder injuries in his recent history. Eliezer Hernandez has shown

768
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: really nice lash yeares the last two years. He had

769
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: a lap strain this most recent year, and he's had

770
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: several related injuries in the previous couple of years too.

771
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: With Sixto Sanchez, one of the reasons why he was

772
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: available to the Marlins in the first place is because

773
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: of concerns about his elbow, and even though he hasn't

774
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: had injuries this year, the Marlins have been pretty clear

775
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: that they're conservative with his workload, and you don't know

776
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: how much that's going to change next year, I mean

777
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: the Marlins. I think it's a pretty big hint that

778
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: Don Mattingly speaking to the media a couple of weeks ago,

779
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: he did not commit to six to so as part

780
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: of the opening day rotation, and I don't think that

781
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: has anything to do with his talent. I think it

782
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: more so hints at a plan to limit his workload

783
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: at the start of the year so that he's available

784
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: down the stretch. In the major leagues, you have a

785
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: lot of these great arms, Trevor Rodgers and Braxton Garrett

786
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: and Edward Cabrera and then just all these guys. They

787
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: haven't had to pitch one hundred and fifty one hundred

788
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: and eighty innings in a single season before. So just

789
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: where do you stand on that principle in general? I

790
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna be bower, as I said, just

791
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: because of the price involved, but in terms of just

792
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: bringing in being sure to invest somewhat in a veteran

793
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: picture that you know that has proven that they can

794
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: handle a full major league workload. So as exciting as

795
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: we are about all these arms coming up through the pipeline,

796
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: there is something we'll be said about having one spot

797
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: in your rotation locked down by someone who's been there

798
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: and done that before.

799
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: I think the perfect example for that, coming off a

800
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 2: World Series appearance to be Charlie Morden. He does hit

801
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: a little bit up there in age, but it would

802
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: bring a lot of experience to be the leader of

803
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 2: the clubhouse, of the pitching guy, of the pitching rotation.

804
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 2: All the starters will look up to him looking for

805
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 2: advice what to do, maybe in the playoffs. He does

806
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 2: have the World Series experience, not only postseason. He is

807
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: up there in age where he's like I believe that

808
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 2: you see thirty six turning thirty seven years old. So

809
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 2: definitely not a long term deal like three years, one

810
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 2: year deal, two year deal, around twenty million dollars over

811
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 2: the course of those years. I think Charlie Morton will

812
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: be a great fit for the Marlins. And going back

813
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 2: to Trevor Bauer, I think when you have the top

814
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: free agent, you always you always have to talk to

815
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: the top free agent see where their head is at

816
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: see what they're looking like in their price tag. I

817
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: think you always have to talk to the biggest guy

818
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: in free agency. With Trevor Bauer, he's all over the place.

819
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: He's a very eccentric guy that we've seen on social

820
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,919
Speaker 2: media's as he'll sign anywhere as long as the price

821
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 2: tag is big enough for him. And the predictions having

822
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: going one hundred and fifty million dollars over six years,

823
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 2: which I don't think that Marlins really want to put

824
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,919
Speaker 2: that much of a price tag, and especially those years

825
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 2: for someone who's turning thirty years old, he will be

826
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: probably the cy young But there's also some inconsistencies with

827
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: trember Bauer, especially last year having almost a five urra

828
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 2: and three years before that three years consecutively I should say,

829
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: having a four y. I think tremer Bower shouldn't really

830
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 2: be a focus for the Marlins. Someone maybe like a

831
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: Garrett Richards Charlie Morden who have that playing experience. They're

832
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 2: in their thirties, so you don't really have to give

833
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 2: him such a long term deal will be great for

834
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: the Marlins. For the Pittan rotation, maybe in the three

835
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 2: hole two definitely not a ACE, but definitely is maybe

836
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: the second third guy in their rotation. Eli Susson here

837
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: with Daniel Rodriguez here on the official show breaking down

838
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: all these free agent possibilities, and we're pretty far along

839
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: here went through all the big guns that are really

840
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 2: top of minds as we look through this class overall.

841
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 2: But now it's time that we can pivot to some

842
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: of the ones that we think are more realistic, the

843
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: ones that aren't gonna necessarily be in the market for

844
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 2: long term deals or super expensive ones, but guys that

845
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: fit with this team one way or another that we

846
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 2: feel pretty confident about. And I mean, while we're on

847
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: the topic of starting pitching, I might as well give

848
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: you one of mine, which is someone that has fallen

849
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 2: below the radar pretty quickly. But it's Jake Odorizzi of

850
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 2: the Twins, who has now been in the majors parts

851
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: of one, two, three, four, nine years. But despite that,

852
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: he is still in his early thirties, I think, heading

853
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 2: into his age thirty one season, and he fell off

854
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 2: the radar because he barely pitched this year, only four

855
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: starts ERA of six and a half, a lost year

856
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: for him. It was because of an injury, but not

857
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: the injuries that you worry about long term, like coming

858
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: out of the start of season in intercostal strain, then

859
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 2: a chest contusion, and then a blister on his pitching

860
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 2: hands to prevent him from taking the mounds. So I mean,

861
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: for those reasons he barely got involved at all. But

862
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 2: before twenty twenty, he was one of these guys that,

863
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: as I alluded to with Bauers, someone that is is

864
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: there for you. He is there for you on the

865
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: mounds every time.

866
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: He had six straight seasons of at least twenty eight

867
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: starts at least one hundred and forty innings, maxing out

868
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: at one hundred and eighty eight innings back in twenty

869
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: sixteen with the Rays, with the Rays and then with

870
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: the Twins and last year. At this time he was

871
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: he was someone that was extended that qualifying offer, and

872
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 1: he's one of the few guys that accepted it and

873
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: played this year on a one year deal. And that

874
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: it backfired for him, of course, because now he got

875
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: hurt and that really tanked his value. But he's someone

876
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: that throws a decent amount of strikes, and he took

877
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: a nice step forward in twenty nineteen in terms of

878
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: actually missing bats. He had the highest strikeout rate of

879
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: his career, struck out twenty seven percent of batter's era

880
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: of three and a half for that Twins rotation. And

881
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: I like him a lot just because of the way

882
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: he that track occurred, and also the way he thinks

883
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: about the game. He's someone that is very analytical, someone

884
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: somewhat like Trevor Boward, but he's not obnoxious about it.

885
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: I think his personality fit is a little bit better

886
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: for this Marlins clubhouse, and we know that's something that

887
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: the Marlins takes seriously, is their culture and everybody pulling

888
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: in the same direction. He's someone that is very inquisitive

889
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: and someone that was also very helpful to his teammates

890
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: in terms of help getting the best out of them.

891
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: So he's never been a superstar. I think he had

892
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: just one years as an All Star that was in

893
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. But nobody would confuse him with an ace

894
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: of the rotation. He wouldn't necessarily out like push Sandy

895
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: Alcantra out of that role. But you could still be

896
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: a valuable member of pitching staff just by yeah, by

897
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: taking the mounds every fifth day and by providing a

898
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: lot of innings because, as we mentioned, the relief pitching

899
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: for this Marlins team seems to be a bit of

900
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: a soft spot. I mean, one way to help those

901
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: guys and put them in a physician to succeed is

902
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: have started pitching that's consistently working deep into the game

903
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: and giving you a good chance to win. So I'll

904
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: be very interested to see what his market looks like.

905
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: If there's any way they can get him on a

906
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: one year deal, I think the Marlins should be at

907
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: the top of the market for that. I think they

908
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: that would be an excellent fit. We'll see if other

909
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 1: teams noticed what I noticed, the fact that his arm

910
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: seems to be completely attacked, and if they're not worried

911
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: about his sturability moving forward, then maybe it would take

912
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: somewhat of a medium range two year deal to get

913
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: it done. But he's a guy I definitely had my

914
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,240
Speaker 1: eye on as his free agent period starts.

915
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 3: I am off speed pitch for a strikeout and a

916
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 3: one two three fifth for Ja and strike out a

917
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 3: Prado too away, strike out number five.

918
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 2: For order Rizar.

919
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: And I know you have a few players in mind

920
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: that you think fit pretty well and are more realistic

921
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: than some of the players we've already mentioned before.

922
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: Well, I've been thinking about right now my four guys.

923
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: I think the Marlins should sign very cheap contracts all

924
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: these guys, each of them less than thirty million dollars.

925
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: The first one, James McConn, I personally think you're the

926
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: top five catcher. Jads may be just too much money

927
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 2: for the Marlins. Over one hundred million dollars. When you

928
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: have someone like McConn over three years, had a great

929
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 2: season last year, would be a great fit for the

930
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 2: Marlins last year already had with the White Sox. He'll

931
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 2: be a good fit, you know him with a farrow

932
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: with Wallach as an everyday catcher for the Marlins. James

933
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 2: mccabba will just be I think great coming up for

934
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: two eighty nine average on base percentage of three sixty.

935
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 5: I think James mcconna would be great fit.

936
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: They have him going right here at the New York Post.

937
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 2: Three years, twenty seven million dollars, which is way less

938
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 2: than j T. I think mccam would be a great fit. Second,

939
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: I have Tommy Lostella, Tomy Masella infielder. They have two years,

940
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 2: fourteen million dollars, which I think is a very deep

941
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 2: contract for the Martins tong to set up a very

942
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 2: good fit.

943
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 5: I think it'd be great for us, great for the Marlins.

944
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 2: Help with the infielder infield situation like we mentioned before

945
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 2: with a San Diaz who has just really been struggling

946
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: ever since being pulled up where he opted out and

947
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: then aft it back in. That was this really crazy

948
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 2: situation for the Marlins. But Tommy Lostella I think would

949
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: be really great for the Marlins. Having a two to

950
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 2: eighty one average and the year before that a two

951
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 2: to ninety five with the Los Angeles Angels, I think

952
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 2: Lostella would be great. And then here the two guys

953
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 2: will maybe a little up there in age, will be

954
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 2: great for the Marlins. Made me for experience. The first

955
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 2: meet Brett Gardner, who still hits, still gets on base,

956
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 2: and will be very cheap even know he's thirty.

957
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 5: Seven years old.

958
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: About one year, five million dollars is what predictions have

959
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: Brett Gardner going for. And then secondly, shortstop altered On

960
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: Simmons two years, twenty four million dollars. His defense slowed

961
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 2: last season, but he's still one of the best defensive

962
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 2: shortstops in the in the Major leagues, and I think

963
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: he'd be a great fit for the Marlins. The Marlins

964
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 2: and also altered on.

965
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 5: He had a great hitting season last year if I

966
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 5: could see that right now, really great, but it would

967
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 5: alterned on.

968
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 2: It's mainly about his defensive skills, which the Marlins do

969
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 2: have with Miguel Rojas. But you can either shift him

970
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 2: the second base or keep him at shortstop. But those

971
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 2: are my four guys that Marlin should target, all of

972
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: them under thirty million dollars. James McCown, Tommy Listella, Entred Simmons,

973
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 2: and Breck Gardner.

974
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely with Lis Stella, we're on the same page.

975
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: Someone that really strong on base skills the last couple

976
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: of seasons, And yeah, I imagine that this price is

977
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: going to be relatively low just because he hasn't really

978
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 1: been viewed as an everyday player, and I think even

979
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,919
Speaker 1: with the Marlins, he wouldn't be an everyday player either,

980
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: but someone that we definitely trusts starting in the lineup

981
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: almost every day against right handed pitching, and they had

982
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: pretty inconsistent results with that last year, So that's one

983
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: I could definitely get behind. With Bret Gardner, he's had

984
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: an extraordinary career, and to this point he hasn't had

985
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: that big drop off. You just don't know when it's

986
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: going to come for a guy that's now getting into

987
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: his late thirties. But as with anybody else, as with

988
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: anybody else coming with the Yankee connection, he's going to

989
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: get real consideration because everybody in the Marlins front office

990
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: has a lot of experience directly with him, and of

991
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: course Jeeter someone that played parts of seven seasons alongside

992
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 1: Brett Gardner, so he knows him about as well as anybody.

993
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: My guess is that he's gonna wind up being a

994
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: career Yankee and he's gonna either get a resign with

995
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: them or ends up walking away. If that doesn't happen, though,

996
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,479
Speaker 1: I'd have to say that Marlins might be the next

997
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: most logical fit for him, especially also being a guy

998
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: that swings from the left side and hits for a

999
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 1: lot of power against right hand and pitching, and also

1000
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: with the Marlins the fact that especially in the outfield,

1001
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: that's where they have opportunities to contribute. For that, Matt

1002
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: Joyce coming off the team and with Corey Dickerson, you

1003
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what to expect from him next year.

1004
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: So even though you'd like to have him penciled in

1005
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: for a big role and a big bounce back, you

1006
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: want to have alternatives on the roster that can help

1007
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: with that. So that's another one that I could see

1008
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: the potential fit. I just worry about anybody with that

1009
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: age because Marlins have been burned by that a couple

1010
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: of times now with Curtis Granderson a couple of years ago.

1011
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: Granderson had a great career and it just all of

1012
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: a sudden, it just wasn't there. He just wasn't able

1013
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: to provide the kind of offense that you want, and

1014
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: he became a defensive liability. That stuff can just appear

1015
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: pretty unexpectedly, even for guys that have had great careers.

1016
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: And of course with Matt Joyce last year, it was

1017
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: the same kind of At certain times, Matt Joyce was

1018
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: a critical piece of the team, but he really faded

1019
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: as the year went on and wasn't quite at the

1020
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 1: top of his game as well. So that's something they're

1021
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 1: going to be pretty reluctant about. Is there anybody else

1022
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: that comes to mind with me? When it comes to

1023
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: this class, it's there's just gonna be so many players available,

1024
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: so many familiar faces. De Gordon is finally at the

1025
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: end of his contract, someone that I mean, he's going

1026
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: to come someone that his stock is lower than anybody

1027
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: else that we've discussed. He's someone that might end up

1028
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: having to sell for a minor league deal, but for

1029
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: a Marlins team that has put a premium on being

1030
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 1: able to run the bases. He's a guy that still

1031
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: seemingly at heading into his age thirty three season. He's

1032
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: someone that still moves extremely well and someone that has

1033
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: a lot of versatility. I mean, they taught him to

1034
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: play the outfield with the Mariners this past few years,

1035
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: so that's a level of versatility that he didn't have

1036
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: when he was an All Star with the Marlins. Of course,

1037
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: someone that we don't have any fond memories of over

1038
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: a very brief stint with the Marlins. Earlier this year,

1039
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: Jonathan Vr is a free agent. I remember it wasn't

1040
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: that long ago. It's just a few months ago. People

1041
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: thinking that not only was VR a great acquisition for

1042
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: the team, but if he had a great year, the

1043
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 1: Marlins could give him the qualifying offer and they could

1044
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: hold onto him for an extra year. I mean, there

1045
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 1: was some momentum even before he played an official game

1046
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: to try to keep him around beyond twenty twenty, and

1047
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: then once he actually took the field, it was a

1048
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: big step down for where he was the previous year.

1049
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: He's another guy that his stock is way down and

1050
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: it's not going to take much to bring him in

1051
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: this Marlins team. And someone that's been really popular, at

1052
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: least in terms of what I've seen on Twitter. People

1053
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: bring to my attention that I kind of disagree with

1054
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: is Key k Hernandez, who has very quickly has a

1055
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: nice track record of postseason production, very timely home runs

1056
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: in the World Series both this year and in twenty

1057
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: eighteen and twenty seventeen. I mean, he's someone that has

1058
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: out a lot of big moments in the playoffs on

1059
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: both sides of the ball, and he mashes left handed pitching.

1060
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: He's relatively young for this free agent class. Well, I

1061
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: guess I'll go over to you first before we wrap

1062
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 1: this up. I'm someone that's relatively low on that fit

1063
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: with bringing Key K back and being a guy that

1064
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: was Marlin for about a minute, you know, very brief

1065
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: experience with the Marlins before going to the other Dodgers.

1066
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: What do you think about that potential fit though, I

1067
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: think he.

1068
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 2: Would be a pretty pretty good fit for Marlins. Obviously,

1069
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,399
Speaker 2: he won't be an everyday player if there are gonna

1070
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 2: be someone that you come in and then he hits

1071
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 2: that hits, but play his one hundred two games, one

1072
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 2: hundred and forty games.

1073
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 5: But like I think it'll be about the role, about the.

1074
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 2: Same role that he has with the Dodgers, where he's

1075
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 2: a spot starter, comes in, will hit a lot, especially

1076
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 2: with this average the last couple of years around two.

1077
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 5: Thirty two fifty. He is great. Best year is two fifteen,

1078
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 5: twenty eighteen.

1079
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 3: Mintor on two and two. The eighth pitch to Hernandez,

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Speaker 3: there's a fly ball to left field.

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00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 6: It's well hit and kick Hernandez with a pinch hit

1082
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 6: home run has just tied the score at three.

1083
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 3: The eighth pitch, Hernandez hits it out.

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Speaker 2: We've got a new game.

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Speaker 5: I think it would be a pretty good fit for

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00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 5: the Marlins.

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00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 2: Obviously, it won't be it won't be Expensive'll probably be

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00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 2: a round at least maybe five million dollars for a year,

1089
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 2: two years, maybe twelve million will be a.

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00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 5: Be a better contract for the Marlins. But I think

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00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 5: kick you should be a great pickup.

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Speaker 1: He's he's not that old.

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Speaker 2: Let me see, he's around twenty nine years old. I

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00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 2: think it would be other good fit for the Marlins

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00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 2: and all the other guys. Also, I was also looking

1096
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 2: at that could be relatively cheap, especially if they do

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Speaker 2: bring in the DH.

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Speaker 5: I have to get your opinion on this. What do

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00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 5: you think about your nie Cespadas and Puigue.

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Speaker 1: I was at this time a year ago, I was

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00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 1: the conductor of the cel P League to Miami Train.

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00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: I was all bored on that. I loved I thought

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00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: he was a great target coming off a kind of

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00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: down year, and I got so excited when they reportedly

1105
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: had a meeting with him at the winter meetings last

1106
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: year and then it made an offer, but nothing materialized

1107
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: from there. I mean, just to make sure our audience

1108
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: is caught up on that. Pleague didn't end up playing

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00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: any regular season games last year. He was unsigned all

1110
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: the way into summer camp and then the Braves they

1111
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: had an opening in their outfields, and when they were

1112
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: trying to bring him in, he tested positive for COVID

1113
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: and that derailed everything and to sit out for a

1114
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. By the time he was clear to return,

1115
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: they got Nick Markkus back into the fold. Marcacus had

1116
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: opted out of the season and then opted back in,

1117
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 1: and no other team was able to put it together.

1118
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,439
Speaker 1: So he's a complicated one where he missed this full

1119
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: year of activity. Last time we saw him with the

1120
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: Cleveland Indians, he wasn't hitting for power, which is very

1121
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: strange for someone that He's someone that's still living publicly

1122
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: so you can still keep up with him. He's someone

1123
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: that still works out, someone that is he looks the

1124
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: part of a big, power hitting outfielder, but that simply

1125
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: hasn't been his track record the last couple of years.

1126
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: And now you have this part of what's supposed to

1127
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: be the prime of his career that didn't get to

1128
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: take advantage of all that. Bank said, He's still relatively

1129
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: young for the free agent class. I think for the

1130
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: right deal, it makes sense. At this point, it would

1131
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: definitely be a one year deal. I think the hang

1132
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: up at this time of year ago is that he

1133
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: was expecting something more long term, but now he doesn't

1134
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: have any leverage, unfortunately for him, So I still see

1135
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: that being something that could potentially work. It take you

1136
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,439
Speaker 1: might have to schedule some sort of private workout with him. Again,

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00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: you haven't seen him actually playing organized baseball activities in

1138
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: a long time, so they'd have to be very diligent

1139
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: with that process. And there are a lot of people

1140
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: within the industry that continue to really try to criticize

1141
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: the way that he conducts himself off the field and

1142
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: in the clubhouse. I've always thought that stuff was kind

1143
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: of overblown. He does have a little bit more of

1144
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: a connection to the Marlins and other teams because he

1145
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,439
Speaker 1: Donnatically was his manager with the Dodgers for several years.

1146
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: It's a tricky one, I think. I still I don't

1147
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: want to walk back what I said this time a

1148
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: year ago. I still think he has a lot to offer,

1149
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: and the Marlins still have some of the same concerns

1150
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: with the corner outfield spots that they had at this

1151
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: time of year ago. So I think for the right fit,

1152
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: he could be in there, but it'd be hard to

1153
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: trust him as a true everyday player at coming off

1154
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: of an entire miss year with Cespitus, I said this,

1155
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: I really don't want that entertained that conversation someone that

1156
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: he's a few years older, and I think most importantly

1157
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: is the kind of injuries that he's been through, yet

1158
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: he's barely played the last two and a half years.

1159
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: And for people that weren't paying close attention, he did

1160
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: start this season with the Mets. In fact, the Mets

1161
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: thought enough of him that he was batting in the

1162
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: middle of their lineup at least a few times a

1163
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: week at the start of the year, and then he

1164
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: very abruptly opted out of the season, which he has

1165
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: every right to do, But that whole situation is very awkward,

1166
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: and it wasn't communicated very well between him and the team.

1167
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: They let it play out in public in a way

1168
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: that was kind of embarrassing. So you don't know how

1169
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: much to put on him and how much to put

1170
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: on the Mets for just being a dysfunctional organization that

1171
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: likes to bring embarrassment upon themselves. At least under the

1172
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: old ownership they did, but with him, it's even a

1173
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: longer layoff since the last time he's been good, and

1174
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of pessimism about him being

1175
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: able to even play the outfield. He's someone a guy

1176
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: that is just to me is just a glory by

1177
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: pinch hitter at this point of his career, So I

1178
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: don't know if anything against him personally. I think it's

1179
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: the same it's with pretty much any player. I think

1180
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 1: that the price is right is if they're not looking

1181
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: for a big commitment, then you can make it work.

1182
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: But for him, he's simply a guy who invites the

1183
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: spring trender on a minor league deal. I don't see

1184
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: much of a difference frankly, between cessped this and what

1185
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: Matt Kemp was for the Marlins last year. With that,

1186
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: they had Matt Kemp, former MVP, great career, but he

1187
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: was a couple of years removed from the best point

1188
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: of his career. He rededicated himself to his health and

1189
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: fitness entering twenty nineteen, so they decided to give it

1190
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 1: a shot and see what he had left in the tank.

1191
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: And then he reported to camp. They weren't satisfied with

1192
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 1: what he looked like they let him go. He ended

1193
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: up playing a lot this year with the Rockies and

1194
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: had some good moments, but you look at the overall

1195
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: production that he had with the Rockies and it was

1196
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: it just wasn't worth much. And that's kind of how

1197
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: I feel with CESPDUS. His best case scenario, he's able

1198
01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: to make it through the season as a part time player,

1199
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Speaker 1: but I don't think the upside is there anymore. So

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to burst your bubble on him, but I'm

1201
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: glad you brought up I'm glad you brought up yas

1202
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: Hel Peague because I think they would be pretty.

1203
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 2: Good for us, especially if you look at his last

1204
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 2: season with Cleveland when he got.

1205
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 5: Traded from Society Cleveland, he played.

1206
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 2: Around forty nine games, which is just like on the

1207
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 2: twenty twenty season, So I kind of like, I kind

1208
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 2: of look at that season compared to twenty twenty as

1209
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 2: if that year he hit two ninety seven three seventy

1210
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 2: seven on base percentage four twenty three, slugging two home

1211
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 2: run twenty three RBIs. I think it was a really

1212
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 2: good season for Puig and if he could bring something

1213
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 2: like that production to the Marmins, especially the the DH.

1214
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 2: If you bring dates to Enda, I think it'll be

1215
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 2: at least worth an invite to two spring training, like

1216
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 2: you said, but Pleague hopefully gets everything figured out and

1217
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 2: see what the Margins can do about Puig if they

1218
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 2: want to bring them in or at least entertain them.

1219
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 6: Left center field it goes well Big League QUI, Yeah,

1220
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 6: c L QUI takes the Grand Tour number fifteen.

1221
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: To run job here at the eighth and I think,

1222
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: just to close out with this in this whole free

1223
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,919
Speaker 1: agent conversation, it does help that the Marlins are coming

1224
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: off this really successful year. I mean, you weren't able

1225
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: to necessarily see that fan excitement in person because the

1226
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,479
Speaker 1: fans weren't in the building themselves. But the fan base

1227
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: is so much more optimistic than they used to be.

1228
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: And I think we'll see exactly what the conditions are

1229
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,479
Speaker 1: like in twenty twenty one in terms of having fans

1230
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: in there, in terms of what the whole community is like.

1231
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: But this is a much better time than at any

1232
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: other point in the rebuild for a free agent to

1233
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: come in here and feel appreciated and also get an

1234
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: opportunity to tribute to a winning team. I mean, at

1235
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's going to come down

1236
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: to dollars and cents. It always helps with the Marlins

1237
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 1: that they live in the state without income tax. That

1238
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: helps level the playing fields. If the offers are similar

1239
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: that these players are getting, and we'll see, we'll see

1240
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: there's a lot of factors to consider, but I think overall,

1241
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: the Marlins are a better destination than they have been

1242
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: in the last couple of years. There's always been hope

1243
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: that Miami would emerge as one of the best destinations

1244
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: in all baseball for free agents. They still have a

1245
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: lot of work to do in order to turn themselves

1246
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: into a reliable contender, and a lot to approve in

1247
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: terms of treating their players right and like establishing that

1248
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: reputation for being the kind of organization that you want

1249
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: to play for. But they've been moving in the right direction.

1250
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 1: I think for a lot of the initial criticism that

1251
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: this leadership group got when they took over the team,

1252
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of evidence that this group is

1253
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: running it the right way and just trying to check

1254
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: all the boxes that are important in terms of making

1255
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: your players priority and putting them in a position to

1256
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: be successful. I mean, they got the guy that we assume,

1257
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: I think, but in a couple of weeks time is

1258
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: going to be the official National League Manager of the Year.

1259
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: And Don Mattingly, I think this past year was a

1260
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: great example of him putting all these spare parts and

1261
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: good positions to be successful so that the whole was

1262
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 1: greater than the sum of their parts, and it's a

1263
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: nice place to play when things are normal and it's

1264
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 1: coming off the kind of seasons that they had. I

1265
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: think he gets them a seat to the table, and

1266
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: I think that's the most you can ask for for

1267
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 1: a team that the past couple of years where they

1268
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: were not involved with anybody at the top of that

1269
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: list of free agents, and even further down, there were

1270
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: guys that just if they had a choice between Miami

1271
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: and almost anywhere else, they would go to the place

1272
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: that didn't have the same stigma attached to it. They

1273
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: went to the place that they believed was like firmly

1274
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: in position to win. And Marlins are finally like on

1275
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: the cusp of being in that kind of conversation where

1276
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 1: players want to go so that you make it. If

1277
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 1: nothing else, it's gonna be a fun offseason in terms

1278
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: of all the players that they're connected to. We'll see

1279
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 1: how many they actually sign in the kind of amounts

1280
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: that they signed to because you'll be hearing this again

1281
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: and again. It's an uncertain time for any sports franchise,

1282
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 1: especially in Major League Baseball, and especially for a relatively

1283
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: small market team like the Marlins, but it should be

1284
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: even more fun than any of the past couple of

1285
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 1: years have been, coming off of postseason appearance and with

1286
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 1: so much financial flexibility in terms of who's actually on

1287
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: the payroll at the moment. So for Eli Sussman and

1288
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 1: Daniel Rodriguez and the podcast formally known as Fish Bites

1289
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Speaker 1: now refrainded as the official show. We're going to have

1290
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: plenty more off season coverage coming for you here on

1291
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: a podcast, on our Websitefishripes dot com, on social media

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Speaker 1: as well at fish Stripes, and you can follow Daniel

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Speaker 1: himself at d rodhy why on Twitter as well. It's

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Speaker 1: been great having him as part of the Fish Stripes

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Speaker 1: here and a lot of coverage coming. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: fascinating things to navigate as free as agency is officially underway.

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Speaker 1: So thanks Daniel for making the time for this, Thanks

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Speaker 1: everybody for listening to having me and go fish