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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to another week of Wide Open

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Speaker 1: with Ashly and Harris. I'm so excited for these two

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Speaker 1: guests today, my friends, my homies, my mate, my queer

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Speaker 1: fucking icon. I know, I feel so embarrassed what I'm wearing.

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Speaker 1: You look amazing, the very gorgeous Carson Kresley.

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Speaker 2: That's me.

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Speaker 3: Everybody, Hello, I'm wide open right now.

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Speaker 1: Well your legs are actually clothes.

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Speaker 4: Well, yes, but we'll get there.

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna feed you a little more wine. And

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Speaker 1: Renee Stubbs, my favorite mate of all time. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how we became such fast friends, but thank god.

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Speaker 4: Plame a polo game your me.

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Speaker 1: I know, for those of you who do not know,

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Speaker 1: these two the original queer Eye.

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Speaker 4: The Og the og baby, which now stands for me

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Speaker 4: kay and Rue.

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Speaker 1: Paul's Drag Race, my favorite, thank you iconic, thank you

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Speaker 1: Emmy Award winning all the things, Yeah, serving all the

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Speaker 1: greatest queer content possible out there. But most importantly, it's

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Speaker 1: such a beautiful thing that the show RuPaul's Drag Race

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Speaker 1: has gone so global because it gives it gives so

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Speaker 1: many young kids a place to kind of feel like

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Speaker 1: they belong. Yeah, totally and I love that so much

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Speaker 1: about what you do. And it's been how many seasons now.

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Speaker 3: We are on season seventeen and right now streaming on

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Speaker 3: Paramount Plus is our season ten All Stars Tournament of Champions.

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Speaker 2: And look at him, he has an aged a day.

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Speaker 2: It's today.

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Speaker 4: I will give my compliments, your compliments to my surgeon.

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Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, I'm like almost there. I'm like, do I

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Speaker 1: need I'm about to be forty this year.

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Speaker 4: We're at a time like a child still.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, honey and Renee, we have talked about that too.

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Speaker 1: Let me introduce you my show Grand Slam Champion, most

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Speaker 1: Iconic ranked number one Doubles.

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Speaker 2: I'd love when Soka plays talk about tennis.

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Speaker 1: Why because you are You are a legend paving the

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Speaker 1: way and you just don't stop your commentating. You have

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Speaker 1: your tennis podcast, you're a queer activists like you do

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Speaker 1: all the things.

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Speaker 4: It's great, and she does them so beautifully.

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Speaker 1: She really does.

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Speaker 4: She's doing it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks. Although we not, Ashlea and I will like we

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Speaker 2: feel so unaddressed because look at you.

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Speaker 1: You look so good.

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Speaker 2: Look at you?

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Speaker 1: Do you not?

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Speaker 2: Did you just wake up? Do you go to bed

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Speaker 2: in a suit?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: No, I I had a horse show last night, and

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Speaker 3: then I drove last night and.

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Speaker 4: You're just like, oh, Philadelphia to New York. That's not far.

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Speaker 3: Well, it is when the Lincoln Tunnel is closed for

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Speaker 3: repairs at midnight.

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Speaker 1: To her, I have to run to me. It's an We'll.

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Speaker 2: Literally be in the city, city and having the best time,

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Speaker 2: and then she's like, I gotta go, I gotta go,

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Speaker 2: I gotta go. I got the tunnel is going to close.

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Speaker 1: They really need to fix it.

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Speaker 3: And sometimes they'll just close the tunnel out of the

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Speaker 3: blue and you'll drive all the way down to the

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Speaker 3: hovel in Tunnel and I'm like, this one's closed as well.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, how does one am I supposed to? You

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Speaker 3: gotta Stan Island?

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Speaker 5: No, I gotta get on a ferryes went I just

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Speaker 5: they don't even run that late, No, don't.

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Speaker 2: You've got to experience this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, city that never sleeps definitely sleeps.

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Speaker 4: The tunnels sleep absolutely.

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Speaker 1: So should we explain our first little gathering? Go ahead, go.

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Speaker 2: Ahead, right, Well, people are going to really understand how

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Speaker 2: beautiful this human is.

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Speaker 4: To my right, oh my gosh, and like why okay

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Speaker 4: with my left?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you're gonna have to help me because you're

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Speaker 1: so animated.

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Speaker 4: And I's gonna sit the stage for the listeners at home.

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Speaker 2: If you don't know this, Cowson's dream is to actually

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Speaker 2: just speak Australian.

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Speaker 4: On a regulars late like a right out yeah.

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Speaker 1: You talked about this last night at the Liberty. You

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Speaker 1: just have to substitute every e r.

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Speaker 2: With an a an a with an ear so instead

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Speaker 2: of never never never. Yeah. If you do that, you're good.

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Speaker 2: So basically Australians have completely botched the English language, Like

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Speaker 2: we don't care about pronunciations at all. We just everything

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Speaker 3: You know what guys do so well? You make everything

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Speaker 3: cute with like a little i e. Like oh did

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Speaker 3: you bring your sonnies? Oh do you have your swimmies?

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Speaker 3: Like you could just make something like terrible wrecky cute

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Speaker 3: with just adding an ie.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 1: I mean it has to enhance your dating life. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know you're in a relationship, but like if I

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Speaker 1: had that accent walking in these street chilling.

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Speaker 2: Right the thing you're doing just fine?

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Speaker 1: Yes, thank you think you're doing just fine.

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Speaker 2: All right, So I'll set the stage a little bit.

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Speaker 2: So you were going through your end of your previous

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Speaker 2: marriage and in a not a good place. You were

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Speaker 2: not in a good place. And every year, this beautiful

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Speaker 2: human being to my right always has me come down

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Speaker 2: or I just go. He really has no option for Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: I always go to Carstons for Thanksgiving. I even went

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Speaker 2: to your place for Christmas one year when I was

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Speaker 2: working here over Christmas and so I was, you know,

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Speaker 2: after Carson's and I called you the day before and

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Speaker 2: I was like, hey, dude, what are you doing for Thanksgiving?

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Speaker 2: And You're like nothing. I don't have the kids, so

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm essentially alone. I was like, fuck that,

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Speaker 2: You're not alone. You're coming with me. I hadn't even

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Speaker 2: asked Carson. I just said, you're coming with me.

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Speaker 4: Any friend of Rene's is a friend of mine.

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Speaker 1: He's like, bring all the lazzie.

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Speaker 2: And I said, Carson, do you mind if I bring

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Speaker 2: a friend with me? And He's like, no, absolutely not, darling. Sure,

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Speaker 2: And sure enough you slept in Carson's bed and.

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Speaker 4: We had the most moral was I there?

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Speaker 1: You were there. You're the first not the first night, kay.

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Speaker 1: You were so sweet and so gracious.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's normally I do like a friends giving friendsgiving,

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Speaker 3: So my friend Victoria, who says the Southern Belt. It's

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Speaker 3: basically like a summer house, like casting for Bravo. Victoria

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Speaker 3: the Southern Bell. And usually my friend Christine.

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Speaker 2: Who's in Amish Country by the way.

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Speaker 3: The DC political person. And then my two best gays known.

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Speaker 4: Forever, Darcy and Carlos, and yeah, best cooks. Usually.

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Speaker 2: The best thing about our relationship when I'm there is

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Speaker 2: that the boys do the girls things and I do

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Speaker 1: I just made the fire.

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Speaker 2: I make fire.

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Speaker 4: How was it right?

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Speaker 3: That's pretty much like chopped wood. I remember the time

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Speaker 3: I chopped wood and it was hollow. It was like

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Speaker 3: a rotten piece of what. I was like, I'm going

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Speaker 3: to chop this wood, and then I did. It was

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Speaker 3: like air and the axe went like almost like.

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Speaker 2: If you if you really want to see it. It's

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Speaker 2: actually on my Instagram page at some point down whenever

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Speaker 2: it was during the it was doing cod the pandy

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Speaker 2: like to it during the pandy.

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Speaker 3: I you can make anything awful sound better by making

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Speaker 3: a pandemic a pandy.

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Speaker 1: You showed me some pictures of all the guys. The

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Speaker 1: bodies were bodying and wait in my house. Yes, everyone

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Speaker 1: was ripped.

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Speaker 4: And everyone but me, come on, not true enough. You

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Speaker 4: know I'm ripped enough, old gal, thank you.

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Speaker 3: And for someone who puts absolutely no effort in zero

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Speaker 3: really blessed action must be nice.

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Speaker 2: We get up in the morning at his house and

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Speaker 4: Like we created our pod.

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Speaker 2: We did. We had one of gas and that situation

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Speaker 2: with the axe. We bought it at a because he

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Speaker 2: likes to antique. I love love and yeah, and so

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Speaker 2: we went and got this nineteen twelve ax that couldn't

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Speaker 4: But he was like, I just wanted to have an

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Speaker 2: Dinner, bring me the axe, which he did. It's on

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Speaker 2: my web page going yeah.

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Speaker 4: All the time, but you can't say it if you

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Speaker 1: When I got to the house, because I when I

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Speaker 1: told you I wasn't you know, doing anything for Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 1: she was like, oh my gosh, we have to do

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Speaker 1: the best gay friends giving you're ever going to experience

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Speaker 1: in your life. And I was like, okay, so we

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Speaker 4: Into literally right like I know, no one knows.

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Speaker 1: And you were so kind and gracious. You were like

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Speaker 1: everyone was like, no, you're sleeping in Carson's room. So

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Speaker 1: I had your like beautiful suite with these beautiful pillow

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Speaker 1: cases from the mess like it was so.

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Speaker 2: It's like climbing Kilimanjaro. Yeah, into his bed.

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Speaker 3: I got those pillows from this woman who was in

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Speaker 3: a car accident in Hungary and these nuns had these pillows.

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Speaker 4: No, it's a great story.

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Speaker 3: Her name is Pandora to Balfazar, I think it's made up.

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Speaker 3: And she was like an heiress or something and she

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Speaker 3: Thank you for the sales pitch, and now I too,

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Speaker 3: sleep on the Hungarian down pillows. It's authorized by nuns

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Speaker 3: and it's like sleeping on a cloud.

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Speaker 2: It really on a second, you've never told me that story,

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Speaker 2: and I have also slept in that bit. Yeah, it

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Speaker 2: would be funny the story if we had all three.

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Speaker 1: Slept in that we should next time he tried to

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Speaker 1: sleep with me time there's so much room, and.

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Speaker 4: I thing will happen. I can assure all.

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Speaker 2: The one thing that I know and guarantee is that

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Speaker 2: the one time in my life I was sleep with

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Speaker 2: a man and I'd be fine.

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Speaker 1: But I do I do think like it was so

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Speaker 1: lovely to be introduced to horses by both of you,

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Speaker 1: because you both do have such a rich history. Yes,

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Speaker 1: tell me, I want to know why you both have

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Speaker 1: been so captivated and like I've read a lot about

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Speaker 1: your past and being raised by would you have like

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Speaker 1: a bunch of ponies when you were young?

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Speaker 4: I grew up on a pony five bony farm. It

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Speaker 4: is like literal after school special waiting to happen.

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Speaker 2: And you should have made miss I know and I

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Speaker 2: world champion too, yep, which you don't talk about a

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Speaker 3: Well it's such a weird like little world, But I

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Speaker 3: think this situation is the same for both me and Renee.

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Speaker 3: We grew up in like a kind of a horse

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Speaker 3: centric family and they've always been around. And I grew

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Speaker 3: up on a pony farm and my grandparents had like

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Speaker 2: Like I'll call her now and we were in our

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Speaker 2: fifties and I'll call it and she'll just pick the

442
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Speaker 2: phone and hey, Ron, what's up. I go, hey, Face,

443
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 2: what's going on? Like that's my name for her. Even

444
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 2: her kids call me Ron. One of her kids is

445
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 2: one of my god children, and they call me Ron,

446
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Speaker 2: you know.

447
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 1: But it's just the Nane to everyone.

448
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm nine to a lot of my friends that

449
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,920
Speaker 2: have kids, because the kids can't say Renee. It's really

450
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 2: hard to say, so they go, nay, kids call me Nina.

451
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Speaker 4: Really you call me, I call you Rene? No E,

452
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Speaker 4: Nna I e Rene.

453
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Speaker 1: Well, when we talk about being in the public eye

454
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Speaker 1: now and you know, twenty I can't believe it's been

455
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Speaker 1: twenty years from New Over twenty years.

456
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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank god.

457
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Speaker 3: It came out in two thousand and three, so it's

458
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Speaker 3: twenty two years. Wow, and I don't remember most of it. Wait,

459
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Speaker 3: what year two thousand and three? Okay, that's when the

460
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Speaker 3: show came out. I came out, you know when you

461
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Speaker 3: would put it.

462
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Speaker 1: I moved to New York Ballsy for the network that

463
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Speaker 1: early on Yes, to say, here are these five men

464
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Speaker 1: that we want to take. Have them take up space

465
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Speaker 1: and be exactly who they are coming off the back

466
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Speaker 1: end of all of the Matthew Shepherd, the aids, upid

467
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Speaker 1: like all of these that is fal network.

468
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Speaker 3: Kudos to Bravo, Yes, because took the show to many

469
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Speaker 3: networks who are like, uh no. And then there actually

470
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Speaker 3: was because the show was called Queer Eye for the

471
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Speaker 3: Straight Guy. Even the name, like some networks were like, oh,

472
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Speaker 3: that's a bit strong.

473
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Speaker 4: I believe, and I'm not.

474
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Speaker 3: It's not privy to all these network conversations, but I

475
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Speaker 3: think there was even some pushback about the name after

476
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 3: we were greenlit. And credit goes to the guys who

477
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 3: created the show, David Collins, Scout Productions out in la

478
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 3: He was very adamant, like, no, queer means extraordinary, it

479
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 3: means looking at something from through a different lens. It's

480
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 3: very apropos to the show and it needs to stay

481
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 3: that way. And again, kudos to Bravo because they got

482
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 3: it and they put it on that work and it.

483
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Speaker 2: Was made Bravo in a lot of ways as well,

484
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Speaker 2: because it gave them such an incredible visibility in such

485
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Speaker 2: a different way, and they were so and as you said,

486
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Speaker 2: a huge credit.

487
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Speaker 1: It's a big especially because it really was the first time.

488
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Speaker 1: It wasn't. Yeah, it wasn't about like death and just heartache.

489
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Speaker 3: And it also wasn't There were wonderful shows like Will

490
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Speaker 3: and Grace that are press you know, came before us,

491
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 3: which we love, and Queer as Folk was in that

492
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 3: same era.

493
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Speaker 4: Which we love, the L word with the L word,

494
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Speaker 4: which we loved, Yeah.

495
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Speaker 3: The same era, but those were all scripted, and so

496
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Speaker 3: I think our show was one of the few where

497
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Speaker 3: it was just us being like our authentic selves, being

498
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 3: completely honest of like who we were, and just going

499
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 3: out there and hopefully doing good work, like being great

500
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 3: at styling somebody or being great at designing someone's home.

501
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 4: And I would meet people.

502
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 3: Out and who knows where, you know, if I went

503
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Speaker 3: to a horse show or if I was traveling or

504
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 3: doing an appearance. So I never met a gay person before.

505
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 3: And I was like, have you never been on an airplane?

506
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 3: Have you never gotten the highlights? Of course you have.

507
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 3: But the power of television is that you're in their

508
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 3: living rooms, you're in their bedrooms, They're talking about you,

509
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 3: they're kind of interacting with you. And on this you

510
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 3: know eat as we are entering Pride Month. Also, the

511
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 3: power of being out is geometric and exponential, and you

512
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 3: don't know what kind of effect it will have because

513
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 3: when someone knows you as a person, as a queer person,

514
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 3: they say, well, I like this person, I like Renee.

515
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 3: Why shouldn't she be able to get married or adopt

516
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 3: kids or have the exact same rights that I do.

517
00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 3: So it personalizes and it humanizes and it build allyship.

518
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 3: When you're out, you don't have to be on TV.

519
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 3: It's just being, you know, an out member of your community.

520
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 3: When people know you, it's harder for them to hate you.

521
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Speaker 1: Yes, I love that. And it was like such a

522
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 1: beautiful moment for the queer community to have an unscripted

523
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: show that really showed how two different types of people

524
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: from two different types of worlds could really coexist, which

525
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: gave permission to a lot of people. And I think

526
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Speaker 1: that the whole premise of the show, when you talk

527
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Speaker 1: about coming into people's living rooms like that was the

528
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: important piece to it of connection. And we're not really

529
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Speaker 1: that different when you put us in the same room.

530
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Speaker 3: And we were rooting for the straight guy, Yeah, we

531
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 3: want you to do well.

532
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Speaker 2: And he ended up loving the experience with.

533
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Speaker 4: You all, which we had no idea.

534
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, there's some people can be a

535
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: little touchy feely with things like that, and I think

536
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: that when a big burly man who's kind of like

537
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 2: a little bit of a disaster with his outfits and

538
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: his clothing and wanting to you, I'm not looking at you, teling,

539
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: but like to actually have men fix and help him

540
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 2: be better in every aspect. At the end, they go, oh,

541
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Speaker 2: and by the way, they didn't hit on me. They

542
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 2: weren't gross to me.

543
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Speaker 4: Why would I have hit on.

544
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 3: A very hot There was a very hot figure skater,

545
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 3: and I was like, trying to do the math.

546
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Speaker 4: I was like, straight fit.

547
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Speaker 2: What but I'm going to go find that episode?

548
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh my god, he was beautiful.

549
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 2: Okay, so you just ruined my whole point of telling

550
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Speaker 2: that story.

551
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: I took them to what what do you think has

552
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: changed the most for you both now that you are

553
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: in the spotlight and now that you know fame is

554
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: a weird word and it's like kind of icky sometimes,

555
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 1: But the fact does you both have a very, very

556
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: large platform, and it's visibility, as we've already mentioned, is

557
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: so major in our community, especially now more than ever.

558
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: I however, I don't think people understand what comes with

559
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: the spotlight. And I'm curious, do you feel compelled. Do

560
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: you feel it's like a mission and a duty now

561
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: that you both are in the spotlight to continue advocating

562
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: more for the queer community or do you just show

563
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: up and you're like this me, you either are with

564
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: it or you're not, Like what's your thought process of that?

565
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: I'm a balance. I'm on a board called lpactmail Pack,

566
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: and it's a lesbian political action committee. So our role

567
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: is to literally try and get illicit money from people

568
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: to support queer candidates. So that's where I feel. Politically,

569
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: I go and I put my efforts into that. So

570
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 2: if you want to donate, go to tmailpack dot com.

571
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 2: But also I'm, as you both know, I'm a very

572
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 2: authentic human being and I don't like to be in

573
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: a room or be talking on X or on the

574
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: socials or even on my own podcast without being truly

575
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 2: authentic to who I want to be and speaking up

576
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 2: for what I believe in. Sometimes it gets me into

577
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: a bit of trouble. But at the same time, I'm like,

578
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: I can't let go of this stuff. I'm I'm in

579
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 2: aries and I'm going to go forward, and I want

580
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: to be authentic, but I want to fight battles that

581
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 2: I feel, whether it's a quality for women, a quality

582
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: for our queer community, whatever it is, I'm going to

583
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 2: say it. I have to tone it down sometimes just

584
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: because I can be a little, a little on the edge.

585
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 4: Sometimes companies I don't believe that, But that's the thing for.

586
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 2: Me do my work politically and also be authentic and

587
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: talk about the things that I want to talk about

588
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: that my community should be hearing and knowing about.

589
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel the same way.

590
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 3: I think it's just about we do have literally a

591
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 3: microphone in front of us.

592
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's about.

593
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 3: Really educating people, I think, And that's I feel like

594
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 3: that's what I've always done. Like whether it's about or

595
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 3: style or interior design, it's like I.

596
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 4: Want to or the queer community.

597
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 3: I want to explain to people and educate because that

598
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 3: is the best way to get them on board and

599
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 3: change their minds and be empathetic. I think it's such

600
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: a divisive time right now. It's like us versus them,

601
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,959
Speaker 3: and it's just like, listen, we're all people. We're all

602
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 3: going to be dead in like X number of years.

603
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: I know.

604
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 4: My best friends said, make a difference and just be authentic.

605
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 3: And help one another. You know, we're all in this this.

606
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 3: We all live in this same weird world.

607
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: And everybody has the same concerns. I mean, my best

608
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: friend literally said to me at some of this year,

609
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: I told you this, I think, well, we've only got

610
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: like twenty good summers left.

611
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 4: Right, Oh my god.

612
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: And I was like, I know, I And I was

613
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: like what I was like, but oh my god, we do.

614
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: It's true. So I'm like everything now, I make decisions,

615
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: I'm like it, I'm doing it like they only live once.

616
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 3: We all care about, like, what is the direction that

617
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 3: Tom Ford is going to go in now that he's

618
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: no longer at the Helm, Like we all have these

619
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 3: same things.

620
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: That Nicole kid a couple of weeks ago.

621
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 3: How great We're gonna digress, but how great does Nicole

622
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 3: Kidman look?

623
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Nick looking good?

624
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 4: Slightly different looking, but beautiful.

625
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 1: Now, you know after we had a beautiful time together

626
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: and then life in the public eye, like with my

627
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: dating life, it is so dick and wild, and I'm

628
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: curious for both of you how this platform of people

629
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: actually knowing who you are, how has it impacted your

630
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: dating life? You stop because it has flipped.

631
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: I'm boring. I'm boring. I've been the same person for

632
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: like sixty seventy years.

633
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: Come on you, I'll get back.

634
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 4: I'll get back to the partner.

635
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: You know what who I never say, but that's probably

636
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Speaker 2: where you are going to go with that.

637
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, my dating life.

638
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what we to This is what

639
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: we talked about table Brazil the same language, but it

640
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: was marvelous.

641
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, He'll be like, well, I look at this guy,

642
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: I'm saying, and he's Brazilian I'm like, oh my.

643
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: What are the apps these days? Tell me your way? Yeah,

644
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: I need to know all of the things.

645
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 4: Well, I mean the gays have scruff.

646
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: You know what we're being wide open today? That is

647
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: what different type of wide open we're here.

648
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: Don't go there with that. I just know where your

649
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: brain is.

650
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 3: I just know this is a PG podcast site and

651
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 3: maybe that studious why. Also, like a lot of people

652
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 3: are on Riah, which is this like celebrity dating app.

653
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 3: And I signed up for Raya like when it was new,

654
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 3: and this is like ten years ago before the pandemic,

655
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 3: and it says like who are you and like I'm

656
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 3: a man, and then like what are you looking for

657
00:31:59,440 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 3: a man?

658
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 4: I like, what are you into? Whatever?

659
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: And they verify you and you may have to approve

660
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 3: you that you're really like a celebrity, which is a

661
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 3: little weirdow. And but I somehow didn't save my settings correctly,

662
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 3: and I started getting all these really hot guys, like

663
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 3: there was getting like a kickboxer, an MMA fighter, one

664
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 3: of the somebody from like a very popular television.

665
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 4: Show was like, oh my god, I had no idea

666
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 4: you were gay.

667
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 3: I'm sending them all messages and then it turned out

668
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 3: my settings were wrong and I thought I was a

669
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: woman looking for a man. So I had message some

670
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 3: like people in Hollywood saying, that's so great that you're gay.

671
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 4: I'll see you at an event or something.

672
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 3: We should hang out a cricket. So of course, because

673
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 3: they were like, why is this dude like up in

674
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 3: my dms?

675
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: And then after about you straight? That was your strange

676
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: I've had your straight voice, and so.

677
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that didn't work out well because I had my

678
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 3: settings wrong. And then when I got to a man

679
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 3: wanting man, it was it was a lot of hairdressers,

680
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 3: which is fine, but I was like that's a little

681
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 3: too similar to me.

682
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, like we're both of these.

683
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: You're tight.

684
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 4: My type.

685
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 3: I'm a very opposite to attract person, Okay, And there's

686
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 3: a lot of gays where like you'll meet them like

687
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: this is Barry and this is very too and I'm

688
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 3: just like you look exactly like and like we met

689
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 3: it Barries, and like I can't I want something very different.

690
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: We you know, we had a really easy as athletes,

691
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: like we had our pick of teams right that we

692
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: could run around with.

693
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: I think you're I think you're outing all of only

694
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 2: yourself right now, and you played a single sport with

695
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: single people playing.

696
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: Well well dating teammates.

697
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: I did, true, I did. I did in my double

698
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 2: spoton for sevent years.

699
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: Like tell me everything, like I can only am because

700
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: you know, I dated, I married my team. But there

701
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: was thirty five of us.

702
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you could blame somebody else.

703
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, but tell them about how like you would like

704
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: have to like travel together and be everywhere, but yeah.

705
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 4: You'd be together or even give that.

706
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 2: But you were sash around well at the beginning. Because

707
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 2: that was my first relationship. That's when I came out.

708
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 2: She outed me, which because I didn't realize that she'd

709
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: already kissed a woman, I don't even know where it went.

710
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 2: I didn't even want to know the details.

711
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 4: But I like working together and very before we got.

712
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: Together, we were we played doubles together at a tournament

713
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: in Indian Wells, which is a big tournament, and we

714
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: played and we were getting so close and I just

715
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 2: wanted to be with her all the time.

716
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 4: Right, Dinahshour is still alive.

717
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: Dinoshaur was still live. And it was two weeks.

718
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 4: Later, okay, because I went to the.

719
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 2: Dinah Shour before I knew I was gay, which is

720
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 2: I missed out the big time.

721
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 4: That's a sign.

722
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I actually just went and played the golf

723
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 2: program because that's also signed.

724
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: Oh my god, anyway, who's finishing each other's sentences kills me?

725
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 2: So so we played together and then we made eight

726
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 2: Out together for the first time there and I was freaking, did.

727
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: You make the first movie?

728
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: No? She did.

729
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 4: Wow.

730
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: We're in the front of an old remember the old

731
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 2: szmobile cars that we rented, and we're in the front

732
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: seat and it was like one young seat. Yeah, bench seat,

733
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 2: So we had a bench seat very hand.

734
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 4: You don't have to go to the back seat.

735
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 2: No, and you don't have to you don't even need

736
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 2: to lift up the handle anyway. So she yes, the armress,

737
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: thank you, and she came over and kissed me, and

738
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 2: I jumped out of the car and I was like,

739
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: that can never happen again. Oh my god, I'm not gay. Yes,

740
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 2: sweat to God and so okay, so cut to we

741
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: left the next day. I went back to Orlando, where

742
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: I lived at the time, and she went to Miami

743
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 2: next tournament, right, and then I was like, of course

744
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: we're texting, because we did have phones in and I

745
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: texted her.

746
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 4: I was like, what what floor are you on?

747
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: Because we were staying at the same hotel, but I

748
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: went home for two days because I went to Florida,

749
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 2: and so I was like, what room are you and

750
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: she's like eighteen o one. I was like, oh, okay,

751
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 2: I'll try and get a room on the eighteenth floor, right.

752
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: And I did and I did, and then I hated it,

753
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: but I want Moura.

754
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 2: Exactly, so anyway, so you'll love this. So then we

755
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 2: had to play against each other. So now we're sleeping

756
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: together for like two weeks, and then we had to

757
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: play against each other.

758
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: Fully, don't skip over there, you just fully jump in.

759
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, jumped in.

760
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 4: Realize, oh my god, you're competing.

761
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 2: Now now we're officially sleeping together in love blah blah blah.

762
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: We get to the next tournament. I'm playing with Lindsay

763
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: Davenport and Lisa Raymond, who was my girlfriend. Lisa Raymond

764
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 2: is playing with Gabriella Sabatini, which, as you know, Gabby

765
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 2: is so smoking heart, so it was I gave her

766
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: a pass because I'm like, I would play with Gabby

767
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 2: as well. So anyway, we're playing, we're staying together. Now

768
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: we're playing against each.

769
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 3: Other, and you're also like sneaking in through the hotel,

770
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 3: like not.

771
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: Not trying to look like we were staying together. No, no, no,

772
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: that was the first time when we stayed together. So

773
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 2: we're staying together and we're playing against each other, and

774
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 2: we're a settle and it starts raining and the light

775
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: goes down, So now we have to go back to

776
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 2: our hotel room together in the middle of the match.

777
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 3: Right and makes sweet sweet love and then go back.

778
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: We did that adversary, so we have won by that.

779
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 2: Point, and then we ended up using and that's when

780
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 2: I said to Lisa, Okay, we're really good players, right,

781
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 2: we cannot play against each other. Let's just play together.

782
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: Because we had talked about playing together but it didn't

783
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 2: sort of work out because of certain reasons. And then

784
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: she's like, yeah, this can't because we were always going

785
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 2: to have to play against each other and that would

786
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 2: have just been right good, Right, So we started playing

787
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: together and then that ended up being very good for us,

788
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 2: and we won a lot together. I think we want

789
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: three slams together. And we won thirty three to sixty.

790
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 1: You've won over sixty.

791
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 2: I won sixty and I won thirty three of those

792
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: with Lisa.

793
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 4: Right, the French Open, that's.

794
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 2: The only one we didn't win. But Australian Wimbledon thing yep, yeah, babe,

795
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 2: it's wimble done.

796
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 4: Wimble done. That's not a tea. Yeah, everybody, it's okay.

797
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 4: I'll never forget it.

798
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: Well forever, it will be like yeah, but with a

799
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: D it's like don yeah, like it rhymes with ron. Yeah.

800
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: Why is she yelling at lesbians? Stereotypical lesbian?

801
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 4: Sorry I brought up the French Open? Marriage?

802
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: But how did you did? You just keep playing together?

803
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: Like how would a fight?

804
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 2: Oh? Well, there was one classic match in San Diego.

805
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: We were playing a final and I think we lost,

806
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: served to go down five to one, so it looked

807
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: like we were done right here and we're playing imagine

808
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: we're playing two great players and a corner cove and

809
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 2: Lindsay Davenport and I said something to her. She was

810
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 2: mad about it, and she told me to fuck off,

811
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: and then I.

812
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 5: Told her to fuck off and the girlfriend, yes, yes,

813
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 5: oh wow, Because we're it's in a final, it's big,

814
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 5: it's heated, it's very stressful with a big crowd, and

815
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 5: so we stopped talking to each other literally, and it

816
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 5: went from five to one to five to two to five, three, five,

817
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 5: four to five to six, five up, and then she

818
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 5: finally started talking.

819
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 2: To me, and then I'm like, now you want to

820
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 2: talk to me. We've just won five straight games. And

821
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: then of course we lose my serve serving for the match,

822
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: and I go, don't fucking talk to me, and then

823
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 2: sure enough we won the tie break and then we're like.

824
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 1: Whoa, we won very bipolar.

825
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 4: After you won that, Yeah.

826
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: We went out and had a party. Okay, we didn't

827
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 2: fight off the court. Even when we lost, it would

828
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 2: be a moment or two where it probably wouldn't be

829
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: happy for a couple hours. Especially met Lisa could let

830
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 2: it go like that like super easy.

831
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: But that's like an athlete mentality because I'll say this

832
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: with my current partner now, like I'm so like to

833
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: be a great athlete, you have to have like really

834
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: short term memory.

835
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 3: Yeah really, because like you have to be Yeah, you're no.

836
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 3: Sometimes your ass kicked like so hard.

837
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: And it's so technical.

838
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 4: If you remembered and held onto it, you wouldn't want

839
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 4: to try, you know.

840
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 2: It's even with writing, you're like, oh, you.

841
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: Can't carry one mistake with you the entire map, the

842
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: entire game, or whatever you're doing. So I do feel

843
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: like I bring that into my relationship, like if we

844
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 1: get in a tiff, I repair very quickly. Liketure repair

845
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: for me is like, but it's probably because I was

846
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: an athlete who if I made a mistake, I couldn't

847
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: make ten more mistakes in the game because of that

848
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: one mistake. I was like, yeah, done.

849
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 3: It's also personality though, like I'm a scorpio, so like

850
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 3: I literally take notes. I was like, on June third,

851
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy one, you said that I looked puffy, and

852
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 3: then like I haven't, and then I can pull that

853
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 3: out of my records.

854
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 4: I was like, well, I.

855
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: Don't think you remember what you said on June first,

856
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy one, do you?

857
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: So you will die?

858
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 4: Hold on, oh big time.

859
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 2: I have a whole Is there anything that I did

860
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 2: that is.

861
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: Sure? Only when I would tell you.

862
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, good, yeah, okays.

863
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: Are kind of like we had a thing like if

864
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 1: you weren't married by.

865
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: A certain age, we would live together.

866
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: Yet what is wait, what's the story? Because I do

867
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: remember this at dinner.

868
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 4: We don't have partners.

869
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 3: By the time we're in a hundred, it's not going

870
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 3: to get married and take care of each other.

871
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: Is that one hundred? That's how he feels about it.

872
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 4: Only have twenty more summers.

873
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 2: We're not that old.

874
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 4: Oh that's right.

875
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: God, this is wide open and I'm your host, Ashlyn Harris.

876
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: We'll be right back.

877
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: I just adore this guy so much. He's like, literally

878
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 2: my favorite person in the world name.

879
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: Truly so sweet and you bled herself.

880
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 3: Well, zach Efron's my favorite person, but I don't know him,

881
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 3: so you're.

882
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: My Kate Blanchett is my favorite person too.

883
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Kate Blanchette. Yeah, I don't know her either.

884
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 2: She's definitely my out.

885
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. But is that your hall past? Oh yes, who's

886
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: your hall past?

887
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 3: Oh well, I don't have like, okay, begneficance, So they're

888
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 3: all my halls in case you.

889
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: Were married out one hundred.

890
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 4: Ye, this is gonna be really weird.

891
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 3: But there's several and I'll make all my miss football

892
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 3: because that's what people know. I think Mario Lopez is

893
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 3: so cute.

894
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: See you're getting his type.

895
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 3: I love the Dwayne the Rock Johnson. See very bulky

896
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 3: who else. That's kind of the vibe the new zac Ephron.

897
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 3: Now he's like a daddy, so we're.

898
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 2: Getting his type right here. Daddy.

899
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: I feel like we're all must we give up daddy energy. Yeah,

900
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: we are the three lesbian Daddies.

901
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

902
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 4: I went to you want to hear something really painful?

903
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: Please?

904
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 3: I was out at my place in the country and

905
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 3: I went to see a friend who was in a

906
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 3: show at the Bucks County Playhouse, and then we went

907
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 3: to this bar, which was like I was like, it'll

908
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: be popping, and I'm always a person. All the other

909
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 3: guys like, can we let's go home and rub our

910
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 3: bunions and I'm like.

911
00:42:58,920 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 2: No, we're going out.

912
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 4: I'm single and there's.

913
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 3: Like literally like eleven people and like I just have

914
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 3: like fourteen chardinays.

915
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 4: I'm like, I think Larry is hot.

916
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 3: The only guy dancing with his shirt off in like

917
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 3: the club which looks maybe like a double white mobile home.

918
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 4: Because this is in your Yeah, and the guy with

919
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 4: the hot with the hot.

920
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 2: Fish country just think about that.

921
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 3: Yes, comes up to the bar for a water and

922
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 3: I go ooh, are you hot? Or you know, are

923
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 3: you hot? Because he has no shirt on. And he

924
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 3: looks at me and he goes, oh my god, it's you.

925
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 3: But here are the words that kill. He said, I

926
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 3: just thought you were some creepy old dude, and I

927
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 3: was like, how dare you?

928
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: But I dare?

929
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 4: But anyway, what are you doing?

930
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 1: Later he never forgets, I will say that in seventy

931
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: eight gay in gay men, gay men are so much

932
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: cooler than us. I'm going to be really honest right now.

933
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 1: I just I feel that you you guys have no

934
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: shame when it comes around on like sex and warehouse

935
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: parties and raves, we don't have that. We don't have

936
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: that you us. No, Like I hear about them.

937
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 4: Well, they're exhausting.

938
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: So what I hear there's these crazy sex parties and

939
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: all of these we have nothing.

940
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 3: I don't know about those, but I do know about

941
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: like the big dance parties. Yes, we're like you're dancing

942
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 3: for like literally fourteen hours. I get home and it

943
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 3: feels like the bone, my heel bone is coming out

944
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 3: of the bottom of my foot. It's called foundering and

945
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 3: horse speak. But like I'm just like, oh my god,

946
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 3: I can't move.

947
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: It's a lot of work that used to be mayon

948
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: heels heels. Now my Bunyon is like, what are you doing? No, no, no,

949
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 2: we don't get in heels.

950
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: Like we're so boring. We just like whind shine, like we.

951
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 2: Don't have I went to my wife, I'm sure we're

952
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: not going to rave.

953
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: I went to my first rave last pride.

954
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 4: Okay, and it was like, so call them raves.

955
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was, Molly potties.

956
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 4: I think it was like a circuit event.

957
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: It was in Brooklyn. It was shining at the yes

958
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: and I was it was me and Kesha was performing.

959
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: I think that was the only two women at the home.

960
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: And all these men.

961
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 4: Shirt every nobody has a shirt off.

962
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: No one has clothes on period, right, and I just

963
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: see all over the place. I got so educated about

964
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: popper and I couldn't help myself.

965
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 4: I don't want to do those. When I'm upright, you know,

966
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 4: I get a little light headed.

967
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: The life is just fun. We don't have any like

968
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: we're just boring. We're like, let's go to the liberty.

969
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: We just get a well, it's just like we had

970
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 2: fun last night.

971
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: I did.

972
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 3: It's all a little fair, so let's look on the

973
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 3: bright side.

974
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 2: We had it's just like we had. They took that.

975
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's terrible. Let's start a new one called Rene Steps.

976
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: Let's start on in Indian. Well better, guys, who wants

977
00:45:54,000 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: to sponsor us? We want a new little slash Dinamen's Festival.

978
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: Can you help anything? Let's see it's not fun. So

979
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: with Pride coming up, we're right around the corner and

980
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: we clearly know the political landscape right now. Guys, I'll

981
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: be really honest, I'm worried for these young kids, me too,

982
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: and I.

983
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: Especially the trans community.

984
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely completely being targeted. Like when we talk about

985
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: community and how lucky are we to have each other

986
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 1: and support each other, What like thoughtful things are we

987
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: doing collectively for this Pride to help this new generation

988
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: that is being so heavily targeted.

989
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 3: Right Well, I know there's been a lot in the

990
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 3: press about companies that have like retracted their sponsorship from Pride,

991
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 3: and I did target article, yeah, and I was just like,

992
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 3: please let us know, like who is no longer supporting

993
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 3: because we should Well.

994
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 2: I've been into a target since yes.

995
00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 3: Literally, and also let us know who is supporting because

996
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 3: that goes both ways, like support the ones that are

997
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 3: are diehards and I think the target thing why that

998
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 3: is so hurtful is because it seemed like they were.

999
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 4: Such an hour. Yeah they were, and that felt like

1000
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 4: a weird like beaten switch was just what are you doing?

1001
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: Like how they wept to me.

1002
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: I don't understand how someone thinks that that's going to

1003
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: like I was, I am gay, guy, I am so gay,

1004
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 2: and yet it took me till twenty five. I was

1005
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 2: surrounded by sports athletes. I saw the gay on TV.

1006
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 4: I saw.

1007
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 2: I wasn't like, oh yeah, I definitely need to be

1008
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: like to think that a kid is going like these

1009
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: are the comments from parents. My kid doesn't need to

1010
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: see a rainbow this, My kid doesn't need to see

1011
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: two women that my kid like your kid, what do

1012
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 2: you what? That's not going to turn your kid gay.

1013
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: It's just not going to do that. I mean, we

1014
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: would argue and say that, look, would we have preferred

1015
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 2: to have grown up in a world where we were

1016
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 2: straight because it would have made our lives easier? For sure?

1017
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 2: Do we regret ever coming out?

1018
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:00,479
Speaker 4: Ever?

1019
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 2: Feel like I wish I wasn't gay? Absolutely not. I'm

1020
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 2: so happy with who I am all the things, But

1021
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: to actually think that seeing something of whether it be

1022
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 2: two men or two women, or two women kissing or

1023
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 2: two men kissing, or a photo or a Pride flag,

1024
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 2: is going to change your child is fucking ridiculous. It's

1025
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: not going to happen. So that's what bothers me the

1026
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 2: most is that that you have these absolute bigger Karens

1027
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 2: that go in and say, my kid doesn't need to

1028
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: see that, and it's like, well, your kid doesn't even

1029
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 2: know what that means at this point. But I'll tell

1030
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 2: you what, if your kid is gay, wouldn't that be

1031
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: nice for them to feel okay, just like you talked

1032
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: about as a kid. So yeah, it bothers me. I

1033
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: don't know if you could feel that for me.

1034
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 3: And the other thing I would say as we enter

1035
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 3: the Pride month too, is that we have to remember

1036
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 3: we are a community and GLBTQ all of us are

1037
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 3: in this together, and I think looking out for each

1038
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 3: other is really really important because there are certain parts

1039
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 3: of our community that are more vulnerable, and I think

1040
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 3: everybody can do that for Pride, Like that's my mantra

1041
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 3: for Pride is like look out for somebody else, to

1042
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 3: look out for young people, just be there because we

1043
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 3: have had to roll up our sleeves before and take

1044
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 3: care of ourselves, and we can do it again. We've

1045
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 3: actually faced as dire as it seems right now, and

1046
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 3: I know it is, and I'm not minimalizing how awful

1047
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 3: it is. We've been through terrible things before and we've

1048
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 3: rallied as a community and we all came together, you know,

1049
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 3: during the AIDS epidemic, it was like, you know, the

1050
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 3: lesbians were taking care of the dying gay men. So

1051
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 3: we have a history of unity and we need to

1052
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 3: remember that and keep that moving forward in the future.

1053
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: And it's so important too for the three of us

1054
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: who actually have platforms to make people feel safe, because

1055
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:57,760
Speaker 1: I feel that at this point they are really trying

1056
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 1: to silence us, make us live in fear. And there's

1057
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: not much content and visibility out there right now because companies,

1058
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: with what's going on, they are scared, and it is

1059
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: so much it is important for us to carry that

1060
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: and leverage the platforms that we do to make our

1061
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: community feel safe and accept it and have them lean

1062
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:26,280
Speaker 1: in on people like yourselves who make our community feel

1063
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: seen like we let them and allow them.

1064
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 2: But it's marginalized Grece in total in total, and I

1065
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: think that you're saying we are community. I thought, are

1066
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 2: you talking about our community, gay community or community period? Yes,

1067
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 2: And I think that that's what's important is marginalized groups,

1068
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 2: and we're seeing it. Whether you be Jewish, whether you

1069
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: be you know, Muslim, whether you be an immigrant, whatever

1070
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 2: it is, we as a community should be caring about

1071
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 2: us as a community, meaning everybody as a human being.

1072
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 2: So the people that attack you from not even knowing

1073
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 2: someone who's gay, or think that you're going to change

1074
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 2: somebody because you know you're an immigrant, like we, you know,

1075
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 2: the gay community, the queer community, need to talk up

1076
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 2: for immigrants as well. It's the same thing. So I

1077
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 2: just think every marginalized group is under attack right now

1078
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: and we need to stand firm in our beliefs. Especially

1079
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 2: you know, I'm an American citizen now and now I

1080
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 2: get people writing to me on social media. I'll go

1081
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 2: back to Australia, you know. You know, I'm like, I've

1082
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 2: lived here twenty eight years, I have an American passport,

1083
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 2: I vote in this country, and I pay taxes here.

1084
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: So don't tell me to go back to Australia. I

1085
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 2: will one day. Because our medical our healthcare system is

1086
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: much better. Well, yeah, I mean, now, don't take care

1087
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:38,479
Speaker 2: of me when I am old.

1088
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, so much.

1089
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 2: We have our gay community down there.

1090
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 4: We better get married too. Sweet.

1091
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: I will say we are the most resilient community. I

1092
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: really feel that, like, and you're right, we have been

1093
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 1: through this before and we have to continue to roll

1094
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: our sleeves up. And because we're not going anywhere, that's

1095
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,280
Speaker 1: the thing, and we're he's not going anywhere anywhere.

1096
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Speaker 3: I start actually, classes of savvly blanc. I'm not leaving

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Speaker 3: this so fun, stay right here. But all jokes aside

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Speaker 3: is you know, we are an amazing country, and we're

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Speaker 3: a kind country, and we have amazing people here and

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Speaker 3: we just we need to get back on track.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the last question I'm going to ask you

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Speaker 1: both before we wrap up. I ask this to every

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Speaker 1: person on the show.

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Speaker 4: What is the capital of Namibia?

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Speaker 1: Not that because I wind you would.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't even know if that'side, it's the city

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Speaker 4: just might capital.

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Speaker 1: Well that's pretty good, that is anyway, carry on all right, Well,

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Speaker 1: the show is called Wide Open, and I'm curious as

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Speaker 1: you both live such rich, beautiful lives, Like what is

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Speaker 1: a moment personally or professionally that really has split you

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Speaker 1: wide open, that has like really changed the landscape and

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Speaker 1: everything about who you are in your life. Like, what

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Speaker 1: was that one moment you could share with the viewers

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Speaker 1: and audience go first.

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Speaker 3: I will say, I think, uh, well, one great example

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Speaker 3: is when we started doing Queer Eye, And like I said,

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Speaker 3: that was twenty two years ago. I was not completely

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Speaker 3: out to like everybody in the world and all my

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Speaker 3: like circle of friends and horse show friends and family.

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Speaker 3: And when that show, like you had to come out

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Speaker 3: like I was gonna be on the cover of TV GUIDs.

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Speaker 4: They were like duh uh yeah, they were like duh.

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Speaker 3: But I think that was so liberating to just to

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Speaker 3: come out in that way, in such a big way,

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Speaker 3: which I'm just.

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Speaker 4: Like, hello world, yuess what.

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Speaker 2: No shit, But it.

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Speaker 3: Was incredibly liberating to just finally have that, you know,

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Speaker 3: that weight off your shoulder and just be like, oh,

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Speaker 3: I don't give an f anymore.

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Speaker 4: I can just exactly be exactly.

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Speaker 3: Who I am. And the fact that we were celebrated

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Speaker 3: for it. And I always tell the story like I

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Speaker 3: would go to my hometown and I'd be walking around

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Speaker 3: the Lehigh Valley mall and they'd be like, you know,

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Speaker 3: there's that queer guy. And then like after the show

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Speaker 3: it had reset even like reclaimed that word.

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Speaker 4: They're like, oh my god, are you that queer guy?

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Speaker 1: And I was like that.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So that was a very defining era.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well that gives you the platform also just to

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Speaker 1: finally live your truth and what a beautiful.

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Speaker 4: And that's the most powerful.

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Speaker 1: Nay, nay, what about me?

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Speaker 2: I think, I mean keeping on that Jean like like

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Speaker 2: that sort of perspective. I think when I did tell

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Speaker 2: my best friend, we were very drunk. It was getting

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Speaker 2: towards news Eve and I grabbed her and I just

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Speaker 2: started seeing Lisa for like seven months at that point,

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Speaker 2: and I think I pulled her into the kitchen and

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Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say something then, because

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Speaker 2: now usually you would if I was at dinner, you'd

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Speaker 2: be like, and you kissed her.

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Speaker 1: I was not.

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Speaker 4: I pulled her respectful.

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Speaker 2: We went in the kitchen and I said, I got

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Speaker 2: to tell you something. And I started a little emotional

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Speaker 2: and I said I'm in a relations I'm seeing someone.

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Speaker 2: And she goes and she literally looked me dead in

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Speaker 2: now and she goes, is it shorty? And Lisa was

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Speaker 2: shorter yeah in me like five five, and I'm like yes,

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Speaker 2: and she goes, oh, I've no shit, I've known hello.

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Speaker 2: And I'll never forget that moment because it just made

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Speaker 2: me feel like my best friend loved me no matter why.

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Speaker 2: And we went back out and started partying and drinking

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Speaker 2: again and having good time and it was like nothing

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Speaker 2: changed for me at all with her. And subsequently, like

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Speaker 2: another funny story about that, which was a moment that

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Speaker 2: also made me realize that the youth of today are

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Speaker 2: the ones that are going to save us. My godchild,

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Speaker 2: who was at the time, probably nine, and we were

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Speaker 2: doing marriage equality in Australia. She came home from school

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Speaker 2: and said, mom, if I was voting, I would vote yes.

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Speaker 2: And she said really why She goes, well, her best

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Speaker 2: friend had two moms, or she knew of two moms,

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Speaker 2: and she said they should be allowed to get married.

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Speaker 2: And Tracy looked at her and said, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: you know gay people too, and she said what really,

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Speaker 2: and she goes yes, Renee and my partner at the time,

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Speaker 2: and she goes, oh, I just thought they were lesbians,

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Speaker 2: and I was like dead. So this subject heading was

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Speaker 2: from the mouths of babes and she told me that

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Speaker 2: whole story, and I told that story at the stonewall

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Speaker 2: for my speech, and the whole place died because I

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Speaker 2: was like, I so for her being a lesbian was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: big deal, right, right, And so she was like, didn't

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Speaker 2: even it didn't even cross her mind that that was

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Speaker 2: an issue, and she was like nine. So I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 2: the kids of tomorrow are going to be the ones

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Speaker 2: that are going to put their foot down to say

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Speaker 2: this is not right.

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Speaker 4: That yeah, yeah, let's hope.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's blackppy pride everyone.

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Speaker 2: Happy pride community as our YAP.

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Speaker 1: I can't let you both leave without saying this, because

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Speaker 1: this whole segment is definitely about our queerness and how

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Speaker 1: we show up and community and grace and all of

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Speaker 1: the beautiful things that exist in our community. But I

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Speaker 1: will say this, may we all find community like this

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Speaker 1: because truthfully, in the hardest season of my life, you

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Speaker 1: opened your doors and your heart to me, and you

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Speaker 1: don't realize the impact it made on me to feel

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Speaker 1: strong and confident enough to walk through it.

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Speaker 5: So thank you, oh thank you, Oh comebye happy.

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Speaker 2: You're two of my favorite people. So really it was

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Speaker 2: a pleasure to thanks.

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Speaker 1: For another week of tuning in too. Wide Open with

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Speaker 1: Ashland Harris, Carson and Renee come back every.

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Speaker 2: Week, please anytime.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Heres sheers.

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Speaker 1: Carson slugged his two.

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Speaker 3: Minutes a damn, It's so delicious.

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Speaker 1: Wide Open with Ashland Harris is an iHeart women's sports production.

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Speaker 1: You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. Our producers are Carmen

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Speaker 1: Borca Correo, Emily Maronoff, and Lucy Jones. Production assistants from

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Speaker 1: Malia Aguidello. Our executive producers are Jesse Katz, Jenny Kaplan

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Speaker 1: and Emily Rudder. Our editors are Jenny Kaplan and Emily

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Speaker 1: Rudder and I'm your host, Ashlyn Harris