1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The volume. The Colin Cowherd Podcast brought to you by 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. Whether you love basketball, golf, soccer, or any 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: fantasy sport, there is a contest for every fan. Fan 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Hi everybody, and welcome in 6 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: to the Monday Morning Podcast. Ian O'Connor, three straight New 7 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: York Times bestsellers, wrote the book on Bill Belichick, one 8 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: of many books his was a New York Times bestseller. 9 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: Now currently a columnist again in New York Now for 10 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: the New York Post. He'll be joining us to talk 11 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: about last night's while thrilling fourth quarter. It was a 12 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: little bit of a honor in the first half. My 13 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: takeaway on what we watched last night, it was a 14 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: tremendous win. I thought for mac Jones, believe it or not, 15 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: you can win while losing early in your career. I 16 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: thought mac Jones in a monsoon with that pressure was 17 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: fairly remarkable. In fact, I think if you went back 18 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: and watched Tom Brady in his first year, I don't 19 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: think he was as good as mac Jones was last night. 20 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: He was under control. Audibling in and out can you 21 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: imagine the pressure of facing Tom Brady in the stadium 22 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: in which he won all his AFC championships. He was cool, 23 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: he was calm, he was smart. I thought it was 24 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: a complete bravo performance by mac Jones. I've seen Brady 25 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: do this one hundred times, we all have. But here's 26 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 1: an interesting thing to consider, is that can you win 27 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: with mac Jones I eat Tom Brady and that lack 28 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: of weapons. I don't think you can. I don't think 29 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: Tom Brady in today's game if he was Mac Jones 30 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: with the dearth, the lack of weapons New England. As 31 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: you have to play perfect football, and the Patriots played 32 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: really good football. But a fumble here, a doink on 33 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: a last second field goal there, and you lose at 34 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: home to a Tampa Bay team that didn't play particularly well. 35 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: Is that what has happened in football is that there 36 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: are so many dynamic young quarterbacks. The coaching is more dynamic, 37 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: the wide receiver talent is so dynamic. Just look at 38 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: the AFC what mac Jones and Belichick will have to 39 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: get through. Justin Herbert, Derek Carr, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, 40 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, that's just in the AFC we all know. 41 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,839 Speaker 1: We all acknowledge. The hole that has surfaced in Belichick's 42 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: later years is the inability to draft and develop skill people. 43 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: Jacoby Myers is their go to receiver. He's undrafted out 44 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: of NC State, and he is often their primary target. 45 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: And you can be an imperfect football team, but in 46 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one and going forward, you cannot be slow. 47 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: I don't believe the Patriots with this current system and 48 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 1: style with Mac Jones, who himself has a highly efficient 49 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: game and a lower ceiling, I don't think it's championship football. 50 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: I mean, as Chris and All said at the end 51 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: of last night's game, Tom Brady now has more wins 52 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: at Foxboro than Mac Jones and we're in October. So 53 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: it is interesting as the sport has really changed. And 54 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: we see this in basketball it's a three point shooting game. 55 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: We see it in baseball where the groundball is death strikeouts. 56 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: Everything's exit strategy in the NFL right now, between the rules, 57 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: the manipulation of the rules, the altering of the rules, 58 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: the offensive playmakers at quarterback and wide receiver. Belichick style, 59 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: though brilliant, feels a tad outdated. Am I alone on that. 60 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: I thought Mac Jones played as well as you can play. 61 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: I think we all would admit he has one of 62 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: the lower ceilings. I think he'll reach his potential much 63 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: more quickly than a Josh Allen. I think twelve to 64 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: fifteen games in you're kind of kind of see what 65 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: Mac Jones is. And he played very well last night, 66 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: considering the immense magnitude of the game. But I sat 67 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: there and I watched it, and I thought, can you 68 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: win a championship on twelve play drives, excellent defense, solid 69 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: special teams. I think he could twenty years ago. I 70 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: think he could ten years ago. But I think it's 71 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: harder and harder to do that. And I think Brady, 72 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: you know, at one point when they were talking about 73 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: how good Jacoby Myers had been, I thought, he's the 74 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: reason Brady left and the reason Mac Jones has a ceiling. 75 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: Jacoby Myers. Where would Jacoby Myers fit on the Rams. 76 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: He wouldn't make the team. I'm not sure he would 77 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: make Tampa or Kansas City or Dallas or Buffalo would 78 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: not make the team, Chargers, Raiders. You just start looking 79 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: around the league. Right now, the game has changed. It's 80 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: played at an exhilarating pace. I mean, I'm watching some 81 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: football this weekend, and watching last night, did it not 82 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: feel at times like a nineteen ninety six football game. 83 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: Let me pivot before we get to et O'Connor to 84 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 1: a few more games, and I want to start with 85 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: the perception of coaches in the National Football League too, 86 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: who I think are very shrewd but are getting clawbered. 87 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 1: Coaching in the NFL is hard. Winning is hard, even 88 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: for the good teams. I mean, the Kansas City Chiefs 89 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: are on a shootout with the Philadelphia Eagles and we 90 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 1: don't even know if they have the right coach or 91 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: the right quarterback. But take Kyle Shanahan and Matt Nagee. 92 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: So Kyle Shanahan gets to a super Bowl. Not only that, 93 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: but with Jimmy Garoppolo, Matt Naggie gets to the playoffs 94 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: twice with Mitch Traubisky, who we would all acknowledge is 95 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: a backup. Today they look overwhelmed. They're being criticized. Are 96 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: they the right guy for the job? Why? Because both 97 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: Matt Naggie with the Bears and Kyle Shanahan with the 98 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: Niners came into the season with a veteran quarterback who 99 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: they didn't truly believe in, and a young quarterback who's talented, 100 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: a tray lancer, adjustin fields, but not really ready to 101 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: win week after week and be consistent at the NFL level. 102 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: Look at the coaches were questioning today they got rookie 103 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: quarterbacks or they have old quarterbacks about to be replaced. 104 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: And look who's winning in the NFL today and who 105 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: we think more of as a coach. Cliff Kingsbury take 106 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: that for example, Cliff Kingsbury got fired in the wobbly 107 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: Big Twelve. He couldn't win at his alma mater. They 108 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: fired him. Alma maters do not want to fire their 109 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: star quarterbacks as coach. He had Patrick Mahomes as a quarterback. 110 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: He could not win in the Big twelve. I repeat 111 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: the Big twelve and now he is crushed it in 112 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: first place in the toughest division in the NFL, the 113 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: NFC West. Why third straight year talented quarterback, same system 114 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: augmenting him with pieces. Josh Allen third straight year, fourth year, 115 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: same system augmenting him with pieces. Lamar Jackson looks good, right, 116 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: same system augmenting him with pieces. You see a trend here. 117 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: The coaches that we really are fond of, have really 118 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: high end quarterbacks, and they are Tom Brady now coming back, 119 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: same system second year. All of a sudden, I'm supposed 120 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: to believe Brian Flores and Joe Judge the Dolphins and 121 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: the Giants camp coach. I think they're both excellent coaches, 122 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: but Miami has a quarterback issue and the solutions not 123 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: in the building. And Daniel Jones yesterday played one of 124 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: his better games. So Joe Judge wins as a touchdown 125 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: underdog on the road before you want to fire your coach. 126 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: A it's really hard to win in this league, really 127 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: really hard, and be the coaches that we think fondly 128 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: of this morning star quarterbacks usually in their second year 129 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: and as system Dak Prescott now second year and Mike 130 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: McCarthy's system. Boy, he looks really good. I mean eight 131 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: teams in this league have quarterbacks who are either really 132 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: not very good or not the future. That's Kyle Shanahan 133 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: right with Jimmy Garoppolo another six or seven. They have 134 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: kids that just aren't ready, and then you have kids 135 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: who are on their second or third system. So just 136 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: look around who you like today, and I think Cliff 137 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: Kingsbury is a great example of same coach, same quarterback, 138 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: same system augmenting him pieces. Lamar Jackson, same coach, same 139 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: system augmenting him with pieces. They both hit it out 140 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: of the park yesterday. You know, speaking of Kyle Shanahan 141 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: before him move on. At some point Kyle, and I'm 142 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: defending him right got start winning games. You can tell 143 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: me how great your stockbroker is. Three years you're missing 144 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 1: on stocks and picks. I'm going to have my doubts. 145 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: I don't think he's had a great season. It shows 146 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: the difficulty of coming into a season with shared snaps 147 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: at quarterback. But right now they really look out of tune. 148 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: That's with Deebo Samuel, that's with George Kittle. They look 149 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: really out of tune. So I do feel there's a 150 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: little pressure right now on Kyle Shanahan. He's got to 151 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: start postings. Let me shift to this. I watch some 152 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: of the Cowboys Panthers. I tried to really dial into 153 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: the Giants and Daniel Jones in the early hour. But 154 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 1: one of the things that I think is really true 155 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 1: in this sport is that everybody knows listening as I 156 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: talked about the Cowboys, here that you know, coach and 157 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: quarterback really drive the sport. And we have our questions 158 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: about Mike McCarthy, but there are certain defensive positions that 159 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: really once you solve them or get a star at 160 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: that position, it can change everything. I was not a 161 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 1: fan of Pete Carroll giving up two first round picks 162 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: for a safety in Jamal Adams. That is not, to 163 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: me a position group that is crucial to be elite at. 164 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: Look at the Cowboys defense though, now today with Trayvon Diggs, 165 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: the second year cornerback who is a spectacular talent, and 166 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: I mean spectacular as in maybe one of the top 167 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: two or three corners in the NFL. There are games 168 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: he looks like the best. Look at the advantage of 169 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: having a tray Von Diggs for Dan Quinn, the Cowboy 170 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. They're not even healthy on defense, yet you 171 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: can take away the other team's number one ride receiver. 172 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: You can put him on Carolina's DJ Moore, you can 173 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: put him on Terry McLaurin of the Washington football team, 174 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: and just case clothes for the day. I think Diggs 175 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: is such a sensational, remarkable, game changing talent for the 176 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: defense of Dallas put him on an island, don't have 177 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: to worry about him, take away their best perimeter weapon, 178 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: and then dropped my other ten guys to figure out 179 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: the quarterback situation. But right now Dallas is a better 180 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: football team. I had him in the playoffs. They're a 181 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: better football team, and I thought they push that Carolina 182 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: Panthers defense around the field for a lot of that game. 183 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: And once that Cowboy offensive line is healthy, Zeke and 184 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: Tony Pollard both have a burst. Now Zeke, I think 185 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks has played well. This is 186 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: a good Dallas football team. It's a fast, rangy, athletic 187 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: Dallas football team, and right now they do although I 188 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: still think Washington the better days are head for that 189 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: football team. They're not playing very good defense now, but 190 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: I really I do trust Ron Rivera and I do 191 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 1: think their defense will get better. But cornerback, it's what 192 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: Belichick spent so much of his time trying to master. 193 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: It's what Nick Saban has spent so much of his 194 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: time in Alabama trying to master. And by the way, 195 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: it's what Pete Carroll is struggling with in Seattle. Right now, 196 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: He's got a good football team they're really really bad 197 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: at corner. Something else I want to touch on. Buffalo 198 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: looks like the best team in the league to me 199 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: for two reasons. Josh Allen's a remarkable talent, and they 200 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: have shored up over the last two drafts and free 201 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: agency periods their primary weakness, which was defensive line and 202 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: pass rush. But to show you the parody in this 203 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: league right now, who is the second best team in 204 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: the NFL? You don't trust Kansas City's defense. Green Bay 205 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: offensively is getting better, but not quite clicking. They needed 206 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: one of the best passes of the year by Aaron Rodgers. 207 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: They were in jeopardy of losing against the forty nine ers. 208 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: Tampa's defense isn't buttoned up right now. You know the 209 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: Rams played yesterday like Brady and the Buccaneers at so 210 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: far was their Super Bowl completely flat. I gotta tell you, 211 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: Buffalo is the best team in the league right now 212 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: in terms of the ability to make plays on offense 213 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: and defense. I think it's Arizona what is really exciting 214 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: about this league right now. I know we pay a 215 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: lot of attention to Aaron Rodgers and Brady. I know 216 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: we do look at the quality of the young quarterback play. 217 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: Not only that it is so diverse. Lamar Jackson doesn't 218 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: play anything like Josh Allen, doesn't play anything like Kyler Murray, 219 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, I thought played really well yesterday. The quality 220 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: of quarterback play in this sport right now. You know, 221 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: years ago, a couple of years ago, I had lunch 222 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: with an NBA general manager and he said, you know, 223 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: football's dying. And I said, two reasons it's not. Number 224 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: one is we gamble on it. It will never go away. 225 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: And I said, number two, the quality of quarterback play 226 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 1: is getting substantially better and the league is going to 227 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: become safer. This was sort of in the throes of 228 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: all those CTE stories too, three years ago, and I 229 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 1: said to the general manager, I said, we don't bet 230 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 1: basketball like we do football. And the rule changes are 231 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: now helping offense so much, and the quality of the 232 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: quarterback play, it is sensational. This league is being taken over. 233 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: I mean, Aaron Rodgers at times looks outdated, right Like, 234 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: he doesn't move like he used to, Kyler, Lamar, Josh Allen, Mahomes, 235 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: justin Herbert. And then you have this second group of 236 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: really good veterans Derek Carr, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers. Ben's 237 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: pretty much shot, and Brady's got a couple of years left. 238 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: But the NFL is going to continue to be in great, 239 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: great hands because of the quality of the commissionership. Yes, 240 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: Roger Goodell makes this league safe for every year, and 241 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: the insane level of quarterback play at the high school 242 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: and the college level, and now that the NFL is 243 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: borrowing and implementing college schemes, the game's more fun to 244 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: watch than it's ever been. I just I sit back 245 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: and I look at the talent and it's jaw dropping. 246 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: And because of the salary cap, even the very best 247 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: teams like the La Rams or the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 248 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: I mean Tampa's defense. JPP got hurt, not the same 249 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: pass rush if a Jalen Ramsey or an Aaron Donald 250 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: was hurt for the Rams, It's not the same defense. 251 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: It is so razor thin right now. You know, in retrospect, 252 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: the game I should have put in the Blazing five 253 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: was Seattle over San Francisco. Russell Wilson's never lost three 254 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: straight games, and you just had a feeling, you could 255 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: sense it early in the third quarter, Russell Wilson was 256 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: simply going to will his team to a win. That 257 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: one I probably missed on. You know, Seattle is very 258 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: top heavy, highest paid linebacker, highest paid safety, biggest cap 259 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: hit is a quarterback, really bad in the secondary, very 260 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: iffy on the offensive line. But when you've got the 261 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: human eraser and Russell Wilson, this is Lebron in his peak. 262 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: He just erases bad personnel decisions, bad coaching decisions. 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Colin, you got to Barry Baker Mayfield. He 303 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: was terrible, Yes, he was. But the two things to 304 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: remember for the Cleveland brown organization to go on the 305 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: road beat a pretty talented team Minnesota in a tough 306 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: place to play when your quarterback is god awful, that 307 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 1: is a stepping stone for the Cleveland Browns. I mean 308 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: my takeaway was, Yeah, that's what good teams do. Their 309 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: quarterback stinks, they play poorly, and they beat a pretty 310 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: talented team on the road. That's a great stepping stone. Listen, 311 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna beat up on Baker Mayfield for having 312 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: a bad game. Everybody has a bad game. Aaron Rodgers 313 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: Week one Josh Allen week one, Tom Brady four of 314 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: them last year. I've never put Baker Mayfield in the 315 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: top ten class, so I'm not holding him to this 316 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: great sixteen week one bad week performance. He was awful, 317 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: he was skittish. He's starting to sail things now. He 318 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: was high on a lot of his throws. And I've 319 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: said this before. He and Obj, it just you know, 320 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: he and Jarvis Landry work. He and Obj don't. I 321 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: can't figure it out. It just doesn't work. Maybe Obj 322 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: ad libs too much on the routes. Baker, then, you know, 323 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 1: loses sort of a feel for it. Jarvis Landry's perhaps 324 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: a better route runner, He's got a better relationship, a 325 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: closer relationship. They worked through it at practice because Jarvis 326 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: and Baker are fantastic. OBJ and Baker aren't. But I 327 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: thought the Cleveland Brown's going on the road. Baker had 328 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: one of his worst games in the last two years, 329 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,959 Speaker 1: probably his worst game in the last two years, and winning. 330 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: Viki's got players, And let's be honest, what we really 331 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: worried about this year from Cleveland was their defense. They 332 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: had seven new starters back to back weeks. Pass rush 333 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: was excellent and so you know, you can't get too 334 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: precious in this sport. A wins, a win's a win. 335 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: He don't worry about what they look like. I mean, 336 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: Belichick and Brady won a lot of wet, soggy, cold 337 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 1: Foxboro football games on Sunday night twenty six to twenty three, 338 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: and they just had two penalties, no turnovers. That in 339 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: the end you said, yeah, yeah, I guess they're great. 340 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: Doesn't matter, just win. Cleveland won on the road. Baker 341 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: was pretty awful, huge, huge step for the Browns. Well, 342 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: somebody I truly respect. He's written three New York Time bestsellers. 343 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: Belichick The Making of the Greatest Football Coach of All 344 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: Time is his recent piece of art. Read that cover 345 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: to cover, and he knows Bill Belichick better than anybody. 346 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: I first have to start with this ian Ian O'Connor, 347 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: who's doing this, by the way, in the wee hours 348 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: of the morning, having covered the Jets the Yankees. So 349 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: he's the hardest working man in New York. So Belichick 350 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: and Brady met for twenty three minutes after the game, 351 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:04,719 Speaker 1: according to Rapport, just a hunch your thought about if 352 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: not the topic, just the tone of that meeting. You 353 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: surprised when you heard that a little bit that Bill 354 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: would go into a winning locker room after a loss 355 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: and really talk to anybody. It's not really in character, 356 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: but I think it's actually a good thing. And maybe 357 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: when Tom Brady has done playing and Bill Belichick has 358 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: done coaching, that they'll come together and have a better 359 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: relationship than really they had at the end of their 360 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: time together in Fox One. There's no question no matter 361 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: what they're saying. I mean, based on the hundreds of 362 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: people I talked to for my book, I think Seth 363 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: Wickersham could say the same thing for his book, that 364 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: there were issues at the end of their time in 365 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: New England that certainly led to that divorce, and so 366 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: I think there's been so much focus on what went 367 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: wrong and maybe not enough focus on what amazing things 368 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: they accomplished together, that maybe that was part of their 369 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: conversation tonight, Hey, we need to get back to what 370 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: we did together and maybe talk a little bit more 371 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: about that. And I have a feeling in retirement they'll 372 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: be closer than they were in the final years in 373 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: New England, and I hope that's the case. You know, 374 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: it's really interesting Brady has a great sense of timing. 375 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: He exits the AFC as it has Lamar Jackson and 376 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert and even 377 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: Derek Carnow under Gruden is playing at a Pro Bowl level, 378 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: and he goes to the NFC, where you know, Aaron 379 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: maybe moving over to different conferences. Russell Wilson could be 380 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 1: on the move in the next couple of years. He's 381 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: not happy. He's a major cap hit for Seattle. It's interesting. 382 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: I watched mac Jones and I thought he played so 383 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 1: well considering the magnitude of the moment, the anxiety, the monsoon, 384 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: the dearth of skill players. They spent three hundred million dollars. 385 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: I still don't see it on offense. It's much in um, 386 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: but it is interesting as I watched that, and I 387 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: think about the his contemporaries in the AFC. I think, 388 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: and I don't want to be hyperbolic, I just don't 389 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: see this as a championship team in the near future. 390 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: They there's a hole in this Belichick regime, and I 391 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: think its surfaced four years ago in and I think 392 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: Tom was frustrated when Jacobe Myers, an undrafted wide receiver, 393 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: is your primary weapon. You don't correct that in a draft. 394 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: I just looked at Mac and I thought, bravo, a 395 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: virtue also performance by a kid. But you're this is 396 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: a that this is not close to a championship team. 397 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: To me, I agree with that, Colin, I do. I 398 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: would say this. I agree with everything he said. However, 399 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 1: they're one fluky loss against Miami and that final game, 400 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 1: that final regular season game of Brady's final season, from 401 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: maybe hosting the AFC title game. The Ravens got up 402 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: set that year, and so they weren't that far away 403 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: from going back to the super Bowl. I understand that 404 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: they lost that playoff game to the Titans at home 405 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: and didn't play well, but that losing that Miami game 406 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: really sort of set them up for failure in the postseason. 407 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: And Brady's numbers had come down, and obviously he didn't 408 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: have any playmakers, but they weren't far away from winning 409 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: another championship really the way I looked at it, So 410 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: I think his departure was really more about the stylistic 411 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: differences between Belichick and Bruce. Arians He wanted to go 412 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: play for somebody who would be fun to play for, 413 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: and Belichick somebody close to Brady said that Tom was 414 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: basically just Belichick out after twenty years. And when your 415 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: head coach treats every single day like it's Games seven 416 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: of the World Series after twenty years, that's tough to 417 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: deal with. So he went to go play for a 418 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: guy who wanted to play nine holes of golf after 419 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: practice and grab a beer or two or three. And 420 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: so he's having a lot of fun doing that. But 421 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: it probably was a very smart decision to get out 422 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: of that conference when he did. And Mac Jones did 423 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: everything he could tonight to win this football game. And 424 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: as a rookie, Hey, Tom Brady didn't even play as 425 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: a rookie through three paths. I was there the day 426 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: that mo Lewis put that hit on Bledsoe and Brady 427 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: trotted in, and early on it wasn't like Tom Brady 428 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: was a superstar. You could say that Mac Jones is 429 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: ahead of where Brady was, Oh, no question, no question. 430 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: So but you're right, James White being gone now that 431 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: that isn't going to help Mac Jones at all. He's 432 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: a guy who still makes some plays and do different things. 433 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: He's gone, and you look at the playmakers and say 434 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: where are they? And it could be a long haul 435 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: now having lost three home games already, Tom Brady did 436 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: not lose three home games. He lost two in that 437 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: first year, but he didn't lose three, and so it's 438 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: going to be tough sledding in that division with Buffalo 439 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: and in that conference, no question about it. Listen. I 440 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: think Bill is aware of his legacy and I just 441 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: don't know how long because I don't. I don't think 442 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: Tom's going to line up Super Bowls. I think he's 443 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: going to be challenged in the NFC going forward. I 444 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: don't know if he'll win another one, but I do 445 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: I do wonder how long Bill wants to face Josh 446 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: Allen and beat his head up against the wall, because 447 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: that Buffalo franchise, now top to bottom, is appears to 448 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: be the class of that division for some time. I mean, 449 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: Sean McDermott, Josh Allen, the front office is excellent. They're 450 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: equipped for a long run. Do you think, you know, 451 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: starting to go eight, nine, nine and eight a couple 452 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: more years and Bill might just say I'm going to 453 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 1: go to Jupiter, Florida and play golf. It's a possibility. 454 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 1: I think he at least wants to leave this franchise 455 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: in a state where it's hetitive and can make a 456 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: playoff run or two. I don't know if that's possible. 457 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 1: I think that the last thing he wants to do 458 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: is walk away after a series of seven and nine 459 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: to right now, what is He's eight and twelve without Tom. 460 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: He was eighteen in New England with Bledsoe before Brady 461 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: took over. So I think at the very least he 462 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,719 Speaker 1: wants to get back to a point where they can 463 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: win a wild card, be ten and seven, and I 464 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't rule that out for this year just yet. It 465 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: looks like it's going to be difficult to get there, 466 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: but I think he's going to coach another three, four 467 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: or five years to point. You know, initially Colin he 468 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: said he would not coach into a seventies like Marv 469 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: Leavey did, but then he changed his mind about that. 470 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: He's a young sixty nine and not a guy with 471 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: a lot of hobbies. Likes to play a little golf. 472 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: Obviously he's got the boat and spend some time on Nantucket, 473 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: but outside of that, he was, as Robert Kraft told 474 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: me years ago, he was put on this earth to 475 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: win football. Games. It's now become a lot more difficult 476 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: to win those games without Tom Brady's quarterback. And I 477 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: still think that Brady always planned on being a one 478 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: uniform lifer in Boston in New England, like Ted Williams, 479 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: Larry Bird, Bill Russell. I think that was his plan. 480 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: It just changed because the relationship went south in the 481 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: final years with Belichick and tonight, maybe a step toward 482 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 1: a better relationship in the future. And again, I think 483 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: that would be a very good thing. Ian The one 484 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: thing from Seth Wickersham's book I have not read it. 485 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: I got the excerpts, and they were pretty damning toward Belichick. 486 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: One I thought was really personal when Robert Kraft, apparently 487 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: it's some you know, high end retreat with billionaires, said 488 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: I got to leave this meeting and go hang out 489 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: with the most miserable blank in my life. I could 490 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: see Belichick reading that and thinking, you know, I've probably 491 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: doubled your net worth. Was that the kind of thing 492 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: that would expedite an exit? Or do you think Bill 493 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: is strong enough that that just flies past him, It 494 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: doesn't stick, it doesn't land for him. I don't think 495 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: that one landed for him. I think that Robert Kraft 496 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: may have offered an explanation, Hey, I was kidding around. 497 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: I didn't really say it that way. And I don't 498 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: think that is going to have really much to do 499 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: with Belichick in terms of how long he's going to 500 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: coach the Patriots or coach at all. I think Belichick 501 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: understands that there are a lot of people around the 502 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: league who don't really like him, and he's never been 503 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: all that close to Robert Kraft in that organization. The 504 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: relationship that was a close one was between Craft and Brady. 505 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: That was sort of a transformational relationship. That transaction relationship 506 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: was Belichick and Craft, and Belichick and Brady that was 507 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: always transactional. And so I don't think that comment really 508 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: changes anything. Belichick doesn't really care. He just wants to win, 509 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: and if you think he's a blank blank, then so 510 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: be it. As long as you're paying me to win 511 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: football games and and leave me alone for the most part, 512 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: which I think Robert Craft has pretty much done. I 513 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: think the one time that Craft interceded was in keeping 514 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: Tom Brady in the organization and not letting Belichick turn 515 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: it over to Garoppolo like he wanted to do. That 516 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,239 Speaker 1: turned out to be a good move. Craft was right 517 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: because Brady won another Super Bowl. So I think that 518 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: I would be surprised if Bill Belichick allowed a comment 519 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: like that to dictate what he would do with his future. 520 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: You know, I said this week on my radio show, 521 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: I said, you know, the Beatles had was the academic 522 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: Paul McCartney was more of the global visionary, and you know, 523 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: Ringo star lightened up the room and that's necessary. And 524 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: I said, you know, you get with the Patriots, Belichick's 525 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: the academic crafts of visionary. And Tom is willful, but 526 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: a joyful that he needs to be hugged. He loves 527 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: to be loved. Um. He doesn't work with anger as 528 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: well as he does joy. In fact, Wickersham and his 529 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: book talked about a study that had been commissioned by 530 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: Belichick on Tiger Woods Michael Kobe, and that Tom was different, 531 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: do you And It's interesting When I read that, I thought, 532 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: that's interesting that that Bill was almost trying to figure 533 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: out the maze of Brady's aspirational sort of motives. Do 534 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: you see? Um? And as I was touching on last week, 535 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: this was bound like the Beatles, these were three different cats. 536 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: This was bound to be a little surly at the end. 537 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: I mean, after your incredibly in depth book on Belichick, 538 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: are you really surprised by any of this going forward 539 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,479 Speaker 1: and surprised how it ended? I thought that Tom Brady 540 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: would never leave, so I guess in that context, I 541 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: am surprised. I thought that he would put up with 542 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: Belichick and because he just he couldn't see himself playing 543 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: for another franchise. I covered as a columnist in New 544 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: York Derrette Year's career and at the end he got 545 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: ugly with the fun office with Brian Cashman, and he 546 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: wanted to leave. He just wanted to get away from 547 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: Cashman and some others in that organization, but he could 548 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: not go play for another team and in a different uniform. 549 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: And I thought Tom Brady would basically feel the same way, 550 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: but he broke away from that. I guess in the 551 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: long run, I think that Belichick probably doesn't doesn't get 552 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: enough credit for keeping Tom Brady there for twenty years. 553 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: It's not easy to keep an elite athlete driven as 554 00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: Brady is in place for twenty years. So that relationship. 555 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: We focus a lot on the ending, and it wasn't 556 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: bad ending, no question, about it. Bill could have done 557 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: a lot more to try to keep him. He could 558 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: have offered him a long term contract. I had a 559 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: conversation with Tom Brady four and a half years ago 560 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: where and so he was thirty nine, about to turn forty, 561 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: and I had about a forty five minute phone conversation 562 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: with him. We talked about how long he wanted to play. 563 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: We were talking past forty five, forty six, forty seven, 564 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: forty eight, and I said, what about fifty? I know 565 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: it sounds crazy, and he said, it's a great question. 566 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: We'll see. So Bill has known for a long time 567 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: that Tom was going to play and play and play 568 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: and play some more. So there's a lot of time 569 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: to figure. Okay, this guy is someone we want to 570 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: keep here in the long term. We should offer him 571 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: a long term contract. They never did. So he goes 572 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: and wins a Super Bowl for somebody else. So that, 573 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: to me is the only surprise. And I thought that Brady, 574 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: despite his feelings for Belichick, despite the fact that relationship 575 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: had gone off the rails, that he just couldn't go 576 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: play somebody else. And he did very successfully. All Right, 577 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: we don't want to take any more of your time. 578 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,720 Speaker 1: It's one of the great days in New York, the Jets, 579 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: the Giants, the Yankees. Isn't it amazing? The Dodgers and 580 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: the Giants, Yankees socks. These one game playoff scenarios make 581 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: absolutely no sense to me at all. I just it's 582 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: incredible that it got past some Baseball commission that everybody 583 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: raised their hand and approved the idea of eliminating the 584 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: Dodgers and the Yankees. After these from your you know, 585 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 1: the turbulence and the Yankee season, they were losing streaks, 586 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: winning streaks, dead alive. I don't know how baseball came 587 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: to this conclusion. One final question, because a lot of 588 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: people were watching baseball today, I don't buy this Yankee teat. 589 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: The Dodgers played well all year, they overcame lots of injuries. 590 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: This Yankee team feels so hot and cold to me. 591 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: Are they capable of they'll let's say they win Wednesday. 592 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: Are they capable of winning a playoff series? I think so. 593 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: The problem is they're going to be matched up with 594 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. I don't know if I see them beating 595 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay in a five game series, but I do 596 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: think they'll win in Fenway Park. It's funny. The last 597 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: time there was a one and done Red Sox Yankees 598 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,240 Speaker 1: game in Fenway Park, I was a high school freshman. 599 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: Bucky Dn hit that home run. Wasn't play in game, 600 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: not a playoff game, and so I do think I 601 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: like the Yankees to beat the Red Sox, but to 602 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: beat the Rays in a five game series without home 603 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: field advantage, I don't see that happening. The Yankees have 604 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: the talent to do it. And when you have Stanton 605 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: and Judge playing at a high level, you have two 606 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: monsters like that in the middle of your lineup. With 607 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: the Green Monster, I think that could be a real 608 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: problem for the Red Sox. But to me, it's the 609 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: Yankees getting out of the wildcard game, advancing to the 610 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: Division Series, and then losing to the Rays. I think 611 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: that's the most likely scenario. Ian, go to bed. You're 612 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,879 Speaker 1: a good dude. You had a million things to do today. 613 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: I haven't reached out enough. I'd love to get you 614 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: on when you have more time and it's earlier. Thank 615 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,879 Speaker 1: you so much, anytime for you, Colin. Thanks so much. 616 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I hope you enjoyed it. YouTube channel, Twitter, Instagram. 617 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: At the Volume fun stuff. You know, O'Connor, buy that 618 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 1: book on Belichick. It is. It's a three day read. 619 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: Give yourself about two hours three four straight days. It's fantastic. 620 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 1: We'll talk soon. The volume