WEBVTT - The Best of The Dan Patrick Show 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.560 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:04.720 Sports Radio. 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:08.760 Hall of Famer. He's Joe Thomas joins us on the program. Joe, 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:12.000 come on in here, all right, A round of applies 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:12.440 for you. 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:14.800 How we doings. 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:16.119 We do? 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:20.520 Yeah? You know I did not come empty handed here 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:23.840 because you know, I'm from Wisconsin and whok is enjoying yourself? 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:25.880 And my mom always taught me we got to be 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:28.280 Wisconsin nice and you don't show up as a guest 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:30.840 empty handed. I got a little hat for you. I 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:33.040 know you guys aren't Browns fans, but somewhere there's a 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:34.760 Browns fan that may want that when we leave. 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:37.760 Okay, are you still a Browns fan after what happened 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:38.320 last night? 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:42.000 Well, it was a little tough last night. It was 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:45.200 like Christmas morning when you're waking up and you've asked 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:47.720 Santa for that one gift and you're just sure it's coming, 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:50.000 and all of a sudden you open it up and 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:53.639 it's like, hey, this is a gift certificate for next 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:54.840 year's Christmas. 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:58.680 Like I'm dang, what would you have done? 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.120 I mean, it would be hard for me to pass 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:06.200 up on Travis Hunter just because he's a guy. That 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:08.200 can change the game on both sides of the ball. 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:10.680 You can never have enough good cornerbacks, you can never 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:14.520 have enough good wide receivers. And it would have been 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:16.320 nice to see him because I think he's just a 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:18.680 great locker room guy. And it was a tough year 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:21.560 for Browns fans, let's be honest, and so to get 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:23.840 a little bit of excitement and hope on Draft Day, 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:26.920 which is typically our super Bowl, would have been kind 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:28.319 of nice. But I think when you look at the 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:30.559 Hall that they got, how do you turn that down? 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:34.559 I mean, it was a historic hall for being able 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:36.920 to just slide back a couple spots and then still 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:38.360 get a great player in Mason Graham. 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:42.480 Okay, but this is what I never understand. People talk about, Oh, 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:44.480 you got all these draft picks, but if you're not 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:48.480 good at drafting, what does it matter? Because the Browns 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:51.960 have a history of recent history of not being very 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:52.840 good at drafting. 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:56.640 What do you consider recent like the last twenty years? 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:59.560 Yeah, last fifteen years, I mean you worked. 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:03.600 Yeah, well, I mean they've had some good picks obviously, Sarrett, Yeah, exactly. 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:03.880 Yeah. 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:05.560 The reason we're in this situation is. 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:10.120 Maybe, like Johnny Manziel, the defensive back from Oklahoma State. 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:15.079 Let's not talk about Justin Gilbert. I mention that name. 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:17.800 Yeah, but I just thought, if you take Travis Hunter, 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.960 now you're relevant. Now somebody, now we would tune in 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:24.360 to watch the Browns. Nobody's tuning in to watch Miles Garrett. 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.080 I mean, you appreciate Miles Garrett, but you want to 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.160 be relevant and the Browns aren't relevant. 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:29.359 Now. 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:32.840 The curiosity is how old is their quarterback? I mean 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:36.640 that's really the big curiosity here. You get Travis Hunter 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:40.440 and then today you get Shador Sanders. Now I got something. 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:44.560 I got something fun here. Maybe it's not sustainable with 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:48.160 the quarterback, but at least you reunite them. Now people 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:49.720 are talking about the Cleveland Browns. 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:50.600 Yeah. 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:52.400 I guess do you want to win the draft or 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:54.120 do you want to win some games down the line. 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:57.040 And I think it's a it's a difficult decision and 0:02:57.400 --> 0:02:59.880 it's a tough trade off when you're sitting here and 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:04.160 everybody wants that microwave approach, that instant gratification of being 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:06.520 able to have those two guys like you mentioned, and 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:08.720 you got the excitement, but you know, there was a 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:11.120 lot of excitement when we drafted Johnny Manziel, and you know, 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.040 we've had a lot of excitement on draft day in 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:16.160 the past and it's not always worked out. So sometimes 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:18.760 I think you do have to make the tough decisions 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:21.400 and be realistic about the situation you're in. Admit to 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:24.280 yourself that, hey, we aren't one player away and we 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:27.760 don't have enough conviction in Shadeur Sanders, hoping that they'd 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:29.840 be able to get him today to say like, yep, 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:32.280 we put those two guys together, we got a strong 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:35.160 playoff team. We think that Chaudeur is a guy that 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.160 can make maybe give us a run in the playoffs. 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:39.560 And I just don't think that evaluation led them to 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:40.120 that belief. 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:42.880 Did you ever pull Johnny Manziel to the side and 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:44.640 have a conversation with him? 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:48.320 We talked occasionally and I was like, hey, man, why 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:50.360 don't you love football? More Like it would be really 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:52.640 cool if you showed up for a few meetings every 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:53.120 now and then. 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:55.240 And what did he say? 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:57.400 I don't think he was there. I think I was 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:59.360 sending him a text message like, hey, we're at the meeting. 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:03.760 Review you don't think he loved football? 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:07.280 I think it was pretty obvious that he enjoyed playing 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:10.280 football as a kid's game, but when it came to 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:13.800 doing the work, the preparation that it takes, you know, 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:16.520 it's really hard, especially being a quarterback in the NFL, 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:18.640 because you're putting a lot of time in on your own, 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:21.839 getting yourself ready not only for games, but practicing, watching 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.520 film and dedicating your body to the weight room. And 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:26.760 look at what Tom Brady did. I mean, basically all 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:28.800 he did when he was a player was take care 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:31.560 of his body, study film, and play football. And that's 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:34.080 the commitment you have to make. And not everybody's willing 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:34.480 to make that. 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.240 Well, you see a lot of quarterbacks, not a lot, 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:40.559 but you see some that are they've been so good 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:43.320 it's so easy for them in high school and like 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.520 Kyler Murray, I just think football was easy for him. 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:49.239 And then you get to the pros where you really 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:52.480 have to put in the time. Now Johnny in high school, 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:54.600 Johnny in college, and then all of a sudden you 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:57.080 get to the pros and you just see some of 0:04:57.080 --> 0:05:00.120 these guys who it was too easy for them. Third 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:01.920 part is when you like, you feel like you've made 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:04.000 it when you get to the NFL. But that's when 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:07.080 it starts. Yeah, like you, you didn't make it when 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:09.760 you were drafted by the Browns. You had to then prove, 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:12.760 you know, that you were worthy of that that draft pick. 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:15.080 Yeah, And that's one of the reasons that when I 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.760 was drafted in two thousand and seven, I wasn't super 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:19.919 excited to go to the draft because it kind of 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:21.760 made me upset that a lot of players thought that 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:23.359 this was the end of the road. You know, this 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.080 was my king moment and now all the work is 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:28.440 done and I can just enjoy the work that I 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:30.479 did before and the money that comes and the fame 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:32.440 that comes. But for me, it was just like, Hey, 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:35.600 this is where I'm going to be starting my journey, 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:38.000 and this is where the work begins. And I think, 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:39.800 no matter who you are, no matter how great you 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.159 are in college and how great you become in the NFL, 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:46.080 you do hit those oil slicks on your path to success. 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:48.240 And you got to be willing to put in a 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:51.280 different level of work and commitment to your craft than 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:53.719 you did to be great and win the Heisman in college. 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:57.640 Didn't I I talk to you the day of the 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:00.440 draft or after the draft, you were hunting, weren't you. 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:03.520 I was fishing shout on Lake Michigan out of Port Washington, 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:06.080 Wisconsin with the dad. Yeah it was great. Hey, maybe 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:09.039 there's some people from Port Washington not too far from here. 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:13.239 But why go fishing instead of go to the draft? 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:15.520 Well, Gil Brandt asked me to go to the draft 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:18.400 the Hall of Fame scout from the Dallas Cowboys, And 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:20.400 you know, I'm a man of my word. I'm a 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:22.320 guy that keeps his commitments. Or I tried to. I 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:25.080 did ghost you one time on the show back at 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:27.600 like two thousand and nine. I'm sorry about that one still, 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:30.560 by the way. But you know, I had a date 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:32.480 to fish with my dad going back a long time 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:35.160 on Saturday, and the NFL was just a little bit 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:36.800 late to ask me to show up to the draft, 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:38.400 and I said, hey, sorry, I'm already planning to go 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:40.120 fishing with my dad. And that sounds a lot more 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.240 fun than putting on the suit and going to New 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:42.799 York City. 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:46.719 What advice would you give these offensive linemen who were drafted. 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:50.560 I would say, just come in with your head down, 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.760 be ready to work, your eyes open, your mouth shut, 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.479 listen and learn from those old guys and try to 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:59.200 build yourself, a process to prepare for games, because that 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:00.719 was one of the things that was most important in 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:03.400 my career. I had Hank Frayley, who is our center 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.679 now turning into a great NFL coach. He was offensive 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.040 line coach for the Detroit Lions. But I was able 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.120 to get in there and some other veteran guys, and 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.320 they showed me their process. How you watch film, how 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:15.800 you take notes, how you prepare for practice, how you 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.440 evaluate yourself. Because the coaches are going to do a 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:20.200 great job, but if you want to be great, if 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:21.840 you want to be consistently great, you've got to do 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:23.640 it for yourself, and you've got to have a system 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:26.720 that you stick to that you go through every single 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.200 day for practice, and then every week when you're getting 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:30.640 ready for Sundays. 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.240 Well, you know, the Patriots are on the clock, and 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.880 then they take the offensive lineman Will Campbell out of 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.840 LSU and you know it's not a sexy pick. But 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:42.080 then you hear what he says that he's gonna he'll die. 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:46.520 I check my quarterback. That's when you go, yes, yeah, 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:50.400 you know, Mike Grabel got his goune. But then they 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:54.480 talk about short arms. I mean, how long are your arms? 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:56.400 I don't know. Maybe somebody can look it up. But 0:07:56.680 --> 0:08:01.000 that was the knock on me coming out draft, which 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.320 I always thought was funny. I'm like, what makes my 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:06.400 arms short? I guess I don't understand, like if my 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:08.720 middle finger is an inch longer, because they measure from 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:10.920 here to here, which is kind of a weird measurement. 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.679 Like I don't block people like this last time I checked. 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.200 Usually I'm like going like this, and I'm blocking with 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:19.120 my feet. My hands are just connecting me and my 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:23.600 body to the opponent, and so I mean, obviously longer 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.240 is better than shorter with your appendages, but like it 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.560 really is not gonna it's well, here we go. We 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:33.319 got apparently an officionado he knows the thing. But uh, 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:37.080 I don't know why they think that, like a very 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.600 very minute difference is able to classify somebody as Yep, 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:42.480 you can do it, and no, sorry, you can't do it, 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.400 because really, it's your feet, it's your technique, it's your balance, 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.080 it's your mind and your ability to get into those 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:50.840 biomechanical positions. It's the way you can bend your ankles, 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:54.200 knees and hips, like that's what determines success or failure. 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.920 But I think sometimes, especially with the combine, we're very 0:08:56.920 --> 0:09:00.000 attached to these measuring systems that are very very archaic. 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.280 They're not very accurate at measuring exactly how long are 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:05.840 your arms? Because I always thought, hey, wouldn't it be 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.440 good as if you put like a plate of glass 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.200 between the guy's chest and you had them stick like 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.240 their arms out like this with their palms, because that's 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:15.520 what you block people with. You don't block people like this, 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:18.160 but the problem and you certainly don't block them like this. 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.400 Even wingspan is kind of misleading because now you're measuring 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.120 how long are their hands and their fingers, how wide 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.640 is their chest, which really it's obsolete, it doesn't matter. 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:28.400 But they always want a way to be able to 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:32.079 compare the people that were their ten, twenty, thirty, forty 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.640 years ago, because they build these models of all, right, 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.679 you know, this is the probability of success if they 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:39.400 have this measurement in that measurement, so they don't want 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.440 to change it, even though a lot of that stuff 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:44.199 really it's just not applicable at all, even to the 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:46.280 thing that they're trying to measure. 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:49.360 He's a hall of Famer Joe Thomas, how many sacks 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:50.480 did you give up in your career? 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.160 I don't think I gave up any. Actually, you know, 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:54.400 the ones that they may be credited for me were 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:55.840 probably the quarterback's fault. 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:57.800 How many do you think you actually, yeah. 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:59.920 I think it was probably around twenty or something like that, 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:00.640 twenty six. 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:02.640 How many times did you hold well? 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:05.160 I never had no for sure. How many times did 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:10.199 you get cold penalties? I don't know, maybe thirty, twenty ten, five, 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:10.720 I don't know. 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:15.240 Joe is raising beef cattle, Yeah, it's shilling your Hall 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:16.520 of Fame beef products. 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:16.880 Yeah. 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:19.319 You know, you guys do this such a great show, 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.040 and you're out here grinding away and you don't get food. 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:24.839 But there's nothing better than a beef stick for a snack. 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:30.120 I figure you guys, you know, make it a little 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:33.040 hungry today. And so I had a chance to offer 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:34.920 you some of the great Hall of Fame beef from 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:36.560 my family farm in Wisconsin. 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:40.520 It's six Springsfarm dot com for more information. 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:45.240 Be wary that this is exceptional stuff and you might 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:48.240 not go back to the regular stuff if you're going 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:50.600 back home. This is the stuff that my kids are 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.560 literally fighting over when they come home from school. So 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:56.520 I hope you enjoy it, but stop farm the table. 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:58.839 It's the kind of a passion project. See hey, that 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.960 was a good answer, and I'll put the knife away 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:06.160 before I get in trouble. We're doing good things here 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:10.320 in Wisconsin, aren't we. Guys? Here we go, we still 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:11.120 got a crowd here. 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.040 Do you wish you would have played for the Packers? 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:16.959 You know, I grew up a huge Packer fan. I 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.480 was twelve when they won the Super Bowl, Brett Farv 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:23.080 and the Roy Butler and Reggie White, and so I 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:25.240 carried that through college and then you get drafted and 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:29.040 until you really are just all in for another team. 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:31.560 Playing for the Browns. Obviously Browns fan, I wanted us 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:33.840 to win, but you still kind of hold that love 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.080 for your team that you grew up in because you 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:38.439 remember all those feels that you had, you know, when 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:41.400 they had those successes. And so early on in my career, 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:43.720 I was always kind of saying, you know, I wasn't 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:45.679 hoping they would trade for me, but I wasn't going 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.520 to be mad if they did. Because living in Wisconsin, 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:51.480 obviously the weather is so nice as it is today, 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.000 forty in raining, I got my family here, get to 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:56.880 play in lambeau Field, which is the greatest stadium. It's 0:11:56.920 --> 0:12:00.400 the cathedral to football. But then as my my career 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:02.480 were on, my kids were born in Cleveland, I've really 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:06.200 identified more as a Cleveland Er as a Cleveland brown 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.280 And so now living back in Wisconsin, kids are allowed 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.560 to be Packer fans. I cheer for them if they're 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:15.000 not playing the Browns. But you know, I think it's interesting, 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:16.840 as you work in the business, how kind of your 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:18.640 allegiances just changed a little bit. 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:22.320 But you didn't think about maybe one your final year 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:26.160 like JJ Watts, I see, yeah, talked about maybe one 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:27.040 year playing. 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:28.800 For them, but he didn't. So it's like, you know, 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.320 I get but he wanted to. But he wanted to. 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:33.360 I mean I wanted to. But you know, I think 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.040 when you kind of weigh the costs and the benefit 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:37.920 of everything, in the end, you still want to be 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.280 in like a great situation for you and how you 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:42.320 fit into the team, and that's kind of like the 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:45.880 most important thing I think for me. My career ended 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:48.559 probably before I wanted to because I had a bad knee. 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:50.000 I tore my try so I was just kind of 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:54.080 breaking down. But you know, the little kid in me says, yea, 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:55.640 I wouldn't have been cool to put the green and 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.200 gold helmet on. But I never also wanted to be 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:00.400 the guy that's like, oh, he used to be good, 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:02.400 but we're just kind of taping them together and rolling 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:04.040 them out there to be nice to them. 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:06.360 Right. Did you ever score a touchdown? 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.080 I never did. I picked up a couple of fumbles, 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:12.480 and that's about it. Never never, no, never, never. In 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:14.720 the end of that, I guess maybe close. In my mind, 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:17.680 it was Thursday night football in Cincinnati and we fumbled 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.240 into the end zone and I jumped on the pile 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.360 and I was like, this is my chance, this is it, 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.679 you know. But I had a record going towards the 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:28.880 end of my career of consecutive snaps over ten and 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:30.640 a half years. I never missed a play. And so 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.960 if you go in as an eligible receiver, like on 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:35.679 the goal line, to try to throw you a pass, 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:37.760 and let's say there's a penalty or something like that, 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:40.240 now you back up and it's third down and long, 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:42.440 and you want to be able to put that player 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:44.760 back in as a tackle and take them away from 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:46.720 being an eligible number. You can't do that without taking 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:48.960 a time out. So they never even put like a 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:51.480 play and to placate me and make me think that 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:52.960 I was going to be able to score a touch on. 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.920 But I also had my hands taped like a boxer. 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:58.280 I had casts on my thumbs and my fingers looked 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:00.520 like ninja turtles. So I actually didn't even want to 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:02.520 try to catch a ball because I it would be 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:03.440 real bad like this. 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:09.160 Uh, he is Joe Thomas and it's six Springsfarm dot com. 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:11.400 That's right, and so this is direct to consumer. 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:13.359 Yeah, we sell on the website. 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:13.640 You know. 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.240 It's me and my family and my kids in twenty 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:18.560 and eighteen said hey, dad, we want a pet cow. 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:20.960 And I'm like, oh boy, this is going to take 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:25.120 some work. And then I started thinking like, oh, but 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:26.080 but I can eat this pet. 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:27.440 I can't do that with the other ones. 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:29.600 And so I'm like, you know what what I learned 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:32.240 as a pro athlete as how you take care of 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:33.920 your body and how the fuel that you put in 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:36.680 it it gives you the fuel that you put out, 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.000 and you know how your body is determined and how 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:41.160 you feel. And I was like, well, you know, I 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:42.800 love eating beef, so I want to see if I 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.960 can raise the best beef on planet Earth, regardless of price. 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:47.800 You know, NFL salary was good, so I don't have 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:51.360 to worry about pitching pennies. I'm raising raising the beef cattle. 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:53.400 And we just kind of stumbled into something and it 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:55.760 all started with getting five cows for the kids. 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:59.000 That's great. If you would like to see Joe's meat, 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:03.520 you can go to it is available night six springsarms 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:06.080 dot com. Good to see him, Thanks for coming on. 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:06.960 I appreciate you. Guys. 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:11.560 Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:15.240 Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:18.520 on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAPP. 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:22.520 He is Rick Neuheisel, a former coach and uh. He 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.520 is hosting every round of the draft coverage here in 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:27.800 Green Bay and throughout the year. You can hear him 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:32.720 hosting Full Ride on Serious XM College Sports Radio. Rick 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:37.280 new Isael joins us on the program here. That's ume boy, 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:42.040 how do we knowing? How's everybody? My man? 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:42.720 Hi, buddy? 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:46.080 How you been? I like that? Rick is hosting his 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:50.000 radio show right now, right now while he's on my show. 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:54.360 So nothing like being paid for not working exactly. Thank you, 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:56.640 Thank you for the respect. Great to see you. Let 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.120 me ask you the question I've been asking everybody else. 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.560 You're you're on the clock last night. You would have 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:03.040 done what. 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:07.160 I might have traded into the first round there for 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:10.640 that thirty second pick, just switched with the Chiefs. I 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.360 might have traded into that just because you get the 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:17.560 fifth year. If in fact Shadur's the choice, you'd love 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:19.240 to have a quarterback for that fifth year. 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:20.120 And if he. 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:24.080 Hits like you all hope that he will, then you've 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:27.520 got an extra year to negotiate him being the franchise 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:30.800 guy going forward. But that was the story of the draft. 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.520 You know, the weight whether or not Shador is going 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.640 to last. All the stories that were coming about about 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:41.080 interviews and body language and things of that nature. At 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:42.720 the end of the day, they're going to start looking 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.400 now at the tape again and see that Shador Sanders 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:48.200 is a courageous player in the pocket. He stands in 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:50.280 there and takes people right in his face and still 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:54.800 throws accurately seventy four percent passer. In some ways, it 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.360 is almost like they were teaching him a little lesson 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.520 in humility. But now somebody wants to get a really 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:01.040 good player. 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:03.680 Would you have taken Travis Hunter if you're Cleveland. 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:07.320 I think Travis Hunter is a unique athlete, and I 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:10.320 thought that Andrew Berry the GM was going to take 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:12.720 him when he called him the show Hey Atani of 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:15.640 the NFL. I said, you can't say that about him 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.160 and then not take him. But what he was doing 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:22.359 was pitching that to some suitors because now he gets 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:26.840 Jacksonville's I think first rounder next year, right, and they 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:30.080 get Mason Graham, who helps make Miles Garrett a better 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:32.480 player and more worth the money they just paid Miles 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:35.400 Garrett because he's going to attract so much attention inside. 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:39.240 So what would you have done? I like what Jackson did. 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:43.080 I think Liam Cohen is a terrific young coach. The 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:46.680