Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. He's Joe Thomas joins us on the program. Joe,
Speaker 2: come on in here, all right, A round of applies
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 3: How we doings.
Speaker 2: We do?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know I did not come empty handed here
Speaker 3: because you know, I'm from Wisconsin and whok is enjoying yourself?
Speaker 3: And my mom always taught me we got to be
Speaker 3: Wisconsin nice and you don't show up as a guest
Speaker 3: empty handed. I got a little hat for you. I
Speaker 3: know you guys aren't Browns fans, but somewhere there's a
Speaker 3: Browns fan that may want that when we leave.
Speaker 2: Okay, are you still a Browns fan after what happened
Speaker 2: last night?
Speaker 3: Well, it was a little tough last night. It was
Speaker 3: like Christmas morning when you're waking up and you've asked
Speaker 3: Santa for that one gift and you're just sure it's coming,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden you open it up and
Speaker 3: it's like, hey, this is a gift certificate for next
Speaker 3: year's Christmas.
Speaker 2: Like I'm dang, what would you have done?
Speaker 3: I mean, it would be hard for me to pass
Speaker 3: up on Travis Hunter just because he's a guy. That
Speaker 3: can change the game on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 3: You can never have enough good cornerbacks, you can never
Speaker 3: have enough good wide receivers. And it would have been
Speaker 3: nice to see him because I think he's just a
Speaker 3: great locker room guy. And it was a tough year
Speaker 3: for Browns fans, let's be honest, and so to get
Speaker 3: a little bit of excitement and hope on Draft Day,
Speaker 3: which is typically our super Bowl, would have been kind
Speaker 3: of nice. But I think when you look at the
Speaker 3: Hall that they got, how do you turn that down?
Speaker 3: I mean, it was a historic hall for being able
Speaker 3: to just slide back a couple spots and then still
Speaker 3: get a great player in Mason Graham.
Speaker 2: Okay, but this is what I never understand. People talk about, Oh,
Speaker 2: you got all these draft picks, but if you're not
Speaker 2: good at drafting, what does it matter? Because the Browns
Speaker 2: have a history of recent history of not being very
Speaker 2: good at drafting.
Speaker 3: What do you consider recent like the last twenty years?
Speaker 2: Yeah, last fifteen years, I mean you worked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean they've had some good picks obviously, Sarrett, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The reason we're in this situation is.
Speaker 2: Maybe, like Johnny Manziel, the defensive back from Oklahoma State.
Speaker 3: Let's not talk about Justin Gilbert. I mention that name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just thought, if you take Travis Hunter,
Speaker 2: now you're relevant. Now somebody, now we would tune in
Speaker 2: to watch the Browns. Nobody's tuning in to watch Miles Garrett.
Speaker 2: I mean, you appreciate Miles Garrett, but you want to
Speaker 2: be relevant and the Browns aren't relevant.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: The curiosity is how old is their quarterback? I mean
Speaker 2: that's really the big curiosity here. You get Travis Hunter
Speaker 2: and then today you get Shador Sanders. Now I got something.
Speaker 2: I got something fun here. Maybe it's not sustainable with
Speaker 2: the quarterback, but at least you reunite them. Now people
Speaker 2: are talking about the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I guess do you want to win the draft or
Speaker 3: do you want to win some games down the line.
Speaker 3: And I think it's a it's a difficult decision and
Speaker 3: it's a tough trade off when you're sitting here and
Speaker 3: everybody wants that microwave approach, that instant gratification of being
Speaker 3: able to have those two guys like you mentioned, and
Speaker 3: you got the excitement, but you know, there was a
Speaker 3: lot of excitement when we drafted Johnny Manziel, and you know,
Speaker 3: we've had a lot of excitement on draft day in
Speaker 3: the past and it's not always worked out. So sometimes
Speaker 3: I think you do have to make the tough decisions
Speaker 3: and be realistic about the situation you're in. Admit to
Speaker 3: yourself that, hey, we aren't one player away and we
Speaker 3: don't have enough conviction in Shadeur Sanders, hoping that they'd
Speaker 3: be able to get him today to say like, yep,
Speaker 3: we put those two guys together, we got a strong
Speaker 3: playoff team. We think that Chaudeur is a guy that
Speaker 3: can make maybe give us a run in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: And I just don't think that evaluation led them to
Speaker 3: that belief.
Speaker 2: Did you ever pull Johnny Manziel to the side and
Speaker 2: have a conversation with him?
Speaker 3: We talked occasionally and I was like, hey, man, why
Speaker 3: don't you love football? More Like it would be really
Speaker 3: cool if you showed up for a few meetings every
Speaker 3: now and then.
Speaker 2: And what did he say?
Speaker 3: I don't think he was there. I think I was
Speaker 3: sending him a text message like, hey, we're at the meeting.
Speaker 2: Review you don't think he loved football?
Speaker 3: I think it was pretty obvious that he enjoyed playing
Speaker 3: football as a kid's game, but when it came to
Speaker 3: doing the work, the preparation that it takes, you know,
Speaker 3: it's really hard, especially being a quarterback in the NFL,
Speaker 3: because you're putting a lot of time in on your own,
Speaker 3: getting yourself ready not only for games, but practicing, watching
Speaker 3: film and dedicating your body to the weight room. And
Speaker 3: look at what Tom Brady did. I mean, basically all
Speaker 3: he did when he was a player was take care
Speaker 3: of his body, study film, and play football. And that's
Speaker 3: the commitment you have to make. And not everybody's willing
Speaker 3: to make that.
Speaker 2: Well, you see a lot of quarterbacks, not a lot,
Speaker 2: but you see some that are they've been so good
Speaker 2: it's so easy for them in high school and like
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray, I just think football was easy for him.
Speaker 2: And then you get to the pros where you really
Speaker 2: have to put in the time. Now Johnny in high school,
Speaker 2: Johnny in college, and then all of a sudden you
Speaker 2: get to the pros and you just see some of
Speaker 2: these guys who it was too easy for them. Third
Speaker 2: part is when you like, you feel like you've made
Speaker 2: it when you get to the NFL. But that's when
Speaker 2: it starts. Yeah, like you, you didn't make it when
Speaker 2: you were drafted by the Browns. You had to then prove,
Speaker 2: you know, that you were worthy of that that draft pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's one of the reasons that when I
Speaker 3: was drafted in two thousand and seven, I wasn't super
Speaker 3: excited to go to the draft because it kind of
Speaker 3: made me upset that a lot of players thought that
Speaker 3: this was the end of the road. You know, this
Speaker 3: was my king moment and now all the work is
Speaker 3: done and I can just enjoy the work that I
Speaker 3: did before and the money that comes and the fame
Speaker 3: that comes. But for me, it was just like, Hey,
Speaker 3: this is where I'm going to be starting my journey,
Speaker 3: and this is where the work begins. And I think,
Speaker 3: no matter who you are, no matter how great you
Speaker 3: are in college and how great you become in the NFL,
Speaker 3: you do hit those oil slicks on your path to success.
Speaker 3: And you got to be willing to put in a
Speaker 3: different level of work and commitment to your craft than
Speaker 3: you did to be great and win the Heisman in college.
Speaker 2: Didn't I I talk to you the day of the
Speaker 2: draft or after the draft, you were hunting, weren't you.
Speaker 3: I was fishing shout on Lake Michigan out of Port Washington,
Speaker 3: Wisconsin with the dad. Yeah it was great. Hey, maybe
Speaker 3: there's some people from Port Washington not too far from here.
Speaker 2: But why go fishing instead of go to the draft?
Speaker 3: Well, Gil Brandt asked me to go to the draft
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame scout from the Dallas Cowboys, And
Speaker 3: you know, I'm a man of my word. I'm a
Speaker 3: guy that keeps his commitments. Or I tried to. I
Speaker 3: did ghost you one time on the show back at
Speaker 3: like two thousand and nine. I'm sorry about that one still,
Speaker 3: by the way. But you know, I had a date
Speaker 3: to fish with my dad going back a long time
Speaker 3: on Saturday, and the NFL was just a little bit
Speaker 3: late to ask me to show up to the draft,
Speaker 3: and I said, hey, sorry, I'm already planning to go
Speaker 3: fishing with my dad. And that sounds a lot more
Speaker 3: fun than putting on the suit and going to New
Speaker 3: York City.
Speaker 2: What advice would you give these offensive linemen who were drafted.
Speaker 3: I would say, just come in with your head down,
Speaker 3: be ready to work, your eyes open, your mouth shut,
Speaker 3: listen and learn from those old guys and try to
Speaker 3: build yourself, a process to prepare for games, because that
Speaker 3: was one of the things that was most important in
Speaker 3: my career. I had Hank Frayley, who is our center
Speaker 3: now turning into a great NFL coach. He was offensive
Speaker 3: line coach for the Detroit Lions. But I was able
Speaker 3: to get in there and some other veteran guys, and
Speaker 3: they showed me their process. How you watch film, how
Speaker 3: you take notes, how you prepare for practice, how you
Speaker 3: evaluate yourself. Because the coaches are going to do a
Speaker 3: great job, but if you want to be great, if
Speaker 3: you want to be consistently great, you've got to do
Speaker 3: it for yourself, and you've got to have a system
Speaker 3: that you stick to that you go through every single
Speaker 3: day for practice, and then every week when you're getting
Speaker 3: ready for Sundays.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, the Patriots are on the clock, and
Speaker 2: then they take the offensive lineman Will Campbell out of
Speaker 2: LSU and you know it's not a sexy pick. But
Speaker 2: then you hear what he says that he's gonna he'll die.
Speaker 2: I check my quarterback. That's when you go, yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, Mike Grabel got his goune. But then they
Speaker 2: talk about short arms. I mean, how long are your arms?
Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe somebody can look it up. But
Speaker 3: that was the knock on me coming out draft, which
Speaker 3: I always thought was funny. I'm like, what makes my
Speaker 3: arms short? I guess I don't understand, like if my
Speaker 3: middle finger is an inch longer, because they measure from
Speaker 3: here to here, which is kind of a weird measurement.
Speaker 3: Like I don't block people like this last time I checked.
Speaker 3: Usually I'm like going like this, and I'm blocking with
Speaker 3: my feet. My hands are just connecting me and my
Speaker 3: body to the opponent, and so I mean, obviously longer
Speaker 3: is better than shorter with your appendages, but like it
Speaker 3: really is not gonna it's well, here we go. We
Speaker 3: got apparently an officionado he knows the thing. But uh,
Speaker 3: I don't know why they think that, like a very
Speaker 3: very minute difference is able to classify somebody as Yep,
Speaker 3: you can do it, and no, sorry, you can't do it,
Speaker 3: because really, it's your feet, it's your technique, it's your balance,
Speaker 3: it's your mind and your ability to get into those
Speaker 3: biomechanical positions. It's the way you can bend your ankles,
Speaker 3: knees and hips, like that's what determines success or failure.
Speaker 3: But I think sometimes, especially with the combine, we're very
Speaker 3: attached to these measuring systems that are very very archaic.
Speaker 3: They're not very accurate at measuring exactly how long are
Speaker 3: your arms? Because I always thought, hey, wouldn't it be
Speaker 3: good as if you put like a plate of glass
Speaker 3: between the guy's chest and you had them stick like
Speaker 3: their arms out like this with their palms, because that's
Speaker 3: what you block people with. You don't block people like this,
Speaker 3: but the problem and you certainly don't block them like this.
Speaker 3: Even wingspan is kind of misleading because now you're measuring
Speaker 3: how long are their hands and their fingers, how wide
Speaker 3: is their chest, which really it's obsolete, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: But they always want a way to be able to
Speaker 3: compare the people that were their ten, twenty, thirty, forty
Speaker 3: years ago, because they build these models of all, right,
Speaker 3: you know, this is the probability of success if they
Speaker 3: have this measurement in that measurement, so they don't want
Speaker 3: to change it, even though a lot of that stuff
Speaker 3: really it's just not applicable at all, even to the
Speaker 3: thing that they're trying to measure.
Speaker 2: He's a hall of Famer Joe Thomas, how many sacks
Speaker 2: did you give up in your career?
Speaker 3: I don't think I gave up any. Actually, you know,
Speaker 3: the ones that they may be credited for me were
Speaker 3: probably the quarterback's fault.
Speaker 2: How many do you think you actually, yeah.
Speaker 3: I think it was probably around twenty or something like that,
Speaker 3: twenty six.
Speaker 2: How many times did you hold well?
Speaker 3: I never had no for sure. How many times did
Speaker 3: you get cold penalties? I don't know, maybe thirty, twenty ten, five,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Joe is raising beef cattle, Yeah, it's shilling your Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame beef products.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, you guys do this such a great show,
Speaker 3: and you're out here grinding away and you don't get food.
Speaker 3: But there's nothing better than a beef stick for a snack.
Speaker 3: I figure you guys, you know, make it a little
Speaker 3: hungry today. And so I had a chance to offer
Speaker 3: you some of the great Hall of Fame beef from
Speaker 3: my family farm in Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: It's six Springsfarm dot com for more information.
Speaker 3: Be wary that this is exceptional stuff and you might
Speaker 3: not go back to the regular stuff if you're going
Speaker 3: back home. This is the stuff that my kids are
Speaker 3: literally fighting over when they come home from school. So
Speaker 3: I hope you enjoy it, but stop farm the table.
Speaker 3: It's the kind of a passion project. See hey, that
Speaker 3: was a good answer, and I'll put the knife away
Speaker 3: before I get in trouble. We're doing good things here
Speaker 3: in Wisconsin, aren't we. Guys? Here we go, we still
Speaker 3: got a crowd here.
Speaker 2: Do you wish you would have played for the Packers?
Speaker 3: You know, I grew up a huge Packer fan. I
Speaker 3: was twelve when they won the Super Bowl, Brett Farv
Speaker 3: and the Roy Butler and Reggie White, and so I
Speaker 3: carried that through college and then you get drafted and
Speaker 3: until you really are just all in for another team.
Speaker 3: Playing for the Browns. Obviously Browns fan, I wanted us
Speaker 3: to win, but you still kind of hold that love
Speaker 3: for your team that you grew up in because you
Speaker 3: remember all those feels that you had, you know, when
Speaker 3: they had those successes. And so early on in my career,
Speaker 3: I was always kind of saying, you know, I wasn't
Speaker 3: hoping they would trade for me, but I wasn't going
Speaker 3: to be mad if they did. Because living in Wisconsin,
Speaker 3: obviously the weather is so nice as it is today,
Speaker 3: forty in raining, I got my family here, get to
Speaker 3: play in lambeau Field, which is the greatest stadium. It's
Speaker 3: the cathedral to football. But then as my my career
Speaker 3: were on, my kids were born in Cleveland, I've really
Speaker 3: identified more as a Cleveland Er as a Cleveland brown
Speaker 3: And so now living back in Wisconsin, kids are allowed
Speaker 3: to be Packer fans. I cheer for them if they're
Speaker 3: not playing the Browns. But you know, I think it's interesting,
Speaker 3: as you work in the business, how kind of your
Speaker 3: allegiances just changed a little bit.
Speaker 2: But you didn't think about maybe one your final year
Speaker 2: like JJ Watts, I see, yeah, talked about maybe one
Speaker 2: year playing.
Speaker 3: For them, but he didn't. So it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: I get but he wanted to. But he wanted to.
Speaker 3: I mean I wanted to. But you know, I think
Speaker 3: when you kind of weigh the costs and the benefit
Speaker 3: of everything, in the end, you still want to be
Speaker 3: in like a great situation for you and how you
Speaker 3: fit into the team, and that's kind of like the
Speaker 3: most important thing I think for me. My career ended
Speaker 3: probably before I wanted to because I had a bad knee.
Speaker 3: I tore my try so I was just kind of
Speaker 3: breaking down. But you know, the little kid in me says, yea,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have been cool to put the green and
Speaker 3: gold helmet on. But I never also wanted to be
Speaker 3: the guy that's like, oh, he used to be good,
Speaker 3: but we're just kind of taping them together and rolling
Speaker 3: them out there to be nice to them.
Speaker 2: Right. Did you ever score a touchdown?
Speaker 3: I never did. I picked up a couple of fumbles,
Speaker 3: and that's about it. Never never, no, never, never. In
Speaker 3: the end of that, I guess maybe close. In my mind,
Speaker 3: it was Thursday night football in Cincinnati and we fumbled
Speaker 3: into the end zone and I jumped on the pile
Speaker 3: and I was like, this is my chance, this is it,
Speaker 3: you know. But I had a record going towards the
Speaker 3: end of my career of consecutive snaps over ten and
Speaker 3: a half years. I never missed a play. And so
Speaker 3: if you go in as an eligible receiver, like on
Speaker 3: the goal line, to try to throw you a pass,
Speaker 3: and let's say there's a penalty or something like that,
Speaker 3: now you back up and it's third down and long,
Speaker 3: and you want to be able to put that player
Speaker 3: back in as a tackle and take them away from
Speaker 3: being an eligible number. You can't do that without taking
Speaker 3: a time out. So they never even put like a
Speaker 3: play and to placate me and make me think that
Speaker 3: I was going to be able to score a touch on.
Speaker 3: But I also had my hands taped like a boxer.
Speaker 3: I had casts on my thumbs and my fingers looked
Speaker 3: like ninja turtles. So I actually didn't even want to
Speaker 3: try to catch a ball because I it would be
Speaker 3: real bad like this.
Speaker 2: Uh, he is Joe Thomas and it's six Springsfarm dot com.
Speaker 2: That's right, and so this is direct to consumer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we sell on the website.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: It's me and my family and my kids in twenty
Speaker 3: and eighteen said hey, dad, we want a pet cow.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh boy, this is going to take
Speaker 3: some work. And then I started thinking like, oh, but
Speaker 3: but I can eat this pet.
Speaker 4: I can't do that with the other ones.
Speaker 3: And so I'm like, you know what what I learned
Speaker 3: as a pro athlete as how you take care of
Speaker 3: your body and how the fuel that you put in
Speaker 3: it it gives you the fuel that you put out,
Speaker 3: and you know how your body is determined and how
Speaker 3: you feel. And I was like, well, you know, I
Speaker 3: love eating beef, so I want to see if I
Speaker 3: can raise the best beef on planet Earth, regardless of price.
Speaker 3: You know, NFL salary was good, so I don't have
Speaker 3: to worry about pitching pennies. I'm raising raising the beef cattle.
Speaker 3: And we just kind of stumbled into something and it
Speaker 3: all started with getting five cows for the kids.
Speaker 2: That's great. If you would like to see Joe's meat,
Speaker 2: you can go to it is available night six springsarms
Speaker 2: dot com. Good to see him, Thanks for coming on.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you. Guys.
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Speaker 2: He is Rick Neuheisel, a former coach and uh. He
Speaker 2: is hosting every round of the draft coverage here in
Speaker 2: Green Bay and throughout the year. You can hear him
Speaker 2: hosting Full Ride on Serious XM College Sports Radio. Rick
Speaker 2: new Isael joins us on the program here. That's ume boy,
Speaker 2: how do we knowing? How's everybody? My man?
Speaker 4: Hi, buddy?
Speaker 2: How you been? I like that? Rick is hosting his
Speaker 2: radio show right now, right now while he's on my show.
Speaker 2: So nothing like being paid for not working exactly. Thank you,
Speaker 2: Thank you for the respect. Great to see you. Let
Speaker 2: me ask you the question I've been asking everybody else.
Speaker 2: You're you're on the clock last night. You would have
Speaker 2: done what.
Speaker 6: I might have traded into the first round there for
Speaker 6: that thirty second pick, just switched with the Chiefs. I
Speaker 6: might have traded into that just because you get the
Speaker 6: fifth year. If in fact Shadur's the choice, you'd love
Speaker 6: to have a quarterback for that fifth year.
Speaker 2: And if he.
Speaker 6: Hits like you all hope that he will, then you've
Speaker 6: got an extra year to negotiate him being the franchise
Speaker 6: guy going forward. But that was the story of the draft.
Speaker 6: You know, the weight whether or not Shador is going
Speaker 6: to last. All the stories that were coming about about
Speaker 6: interviews and body language and things of that nature. At
Speaker 6: the end of the day, they're going to start looking
Speaker 6: now at the tape again and see that Shador Sanders
Speaker 6: is a courageous player in the pocket. He stands in
Speaker 6: there and takes people right in his face and still
Speaker 6: throws accurately seventy four percent passer. In some ways, it
Speaker 6: is almost like they were teaching him a little lesson
Speaker 6: in humility. But now somebody wants to get a really
Speaker 6: good player.
Speaker 2: Would you have taken Travis Hunter if you're Cleveland.
Speaker 6: I think Travis Hunter is a unique athlete, and I
Speaker 6: thought that Andrew Berry the GM was going to take
Speaker 6: him when he called him the show Hey Atani of
Speaker 6: the NFL. I said, you can't say that about him
Speaker 6: and then not take him. But what he was doing
Speaker 6: was pitching that to some suitors because now he gets
Speaker 6: Jacksonville's I think first rounder next year, right, and they
Speaker 6: get Mason Graham, who helps make Miles Garrett a better
Speaker 6: player and more worth the money they just paid Miles
Speaker 6: Garrett because he's going to attract so much attention inside.
Speaker 6: So what would you have done? I like what Jackson did.
Speaker 6: I think Liam Cohen is a terrific young coach. The
Speaker 6: Tampa Bay offense is exhibit a of the evidence of that.
Speaker 6: I think he's got a star on both sides of
Speaker 6: the ball. We got a chance to interview Travis after
Speaker 6: he was selected. What a bright kid, a unbelievably confident
Speaker 6: young man. And I mean that in a very kind way,
Speaker 6: but there's no question in my mind that he can
Speaker 6: play both sides of the ball, his body will hold up,
Speaker 6: and that will be interesting to see how they use
Speaker 6: him as the kind of the Swiss Army Knife of
Speaker 6: Jacksonville's franchise. But Daniel Jeremiah said that with the Browns
Speaker 6: were going to have him major in offense and minor
Speaker 6: in defense. That's right to go along with Jerry Judy.
Speaker 6: I think Liam Cohen, being an offensive guy, has got
Speaker 6: all sorts of plans for him offensively. But the one thing,
Speaker 6: and he knows this from his college coach Dion Sanders,
Speaker 6: you can play lockdown. He has the skill set. You
Speaker 6: just go lock that guy down. And to the gift
Speaker 6: for a defensive coordinator to have somebody that can take
Speaker 6: the number one receiver away, in particular into the boundary.
Speaker 6: You can play all sorts of other things with your
Speaker 6: ten other guys that can found a quarterback as long
Speaker 6: as you can take their alpha way, and I think
Speaker 6: Travis Hunter has the gifts to do that.
Speaker 2: We're talking to Rick new Heisl, the CBS Sports college
Speaker 2: football analyst, former college head coach. When you see cam
Speaker 2: Ward in his grade this year, but if he was
Speaker 2: drafted last year, would have been maybe the sixth or
Speaker 2: seventh right quarterback Okay, does it make sense for Tennessee
Speaker 2: to take a guy who would have been these sixth
Speaker 2: or seventh quarterback a year ago and you take him
Speaker 2: number one? Overall?
Speaker 6: It may not make sense to Tennessee, but it certainly
Speaker 6: did to Brian Callahan.
Speaker 2: He's got to have a guy.
Speaker 6: And Will Levis, for all his attributes, still has what
Speaker 6: I call a panic reflex when the bullets start flying
Speaker 6: in a pocket. There was a bit wanting to get
Speaker 6: the ball out and it was irresponsible. Too many turnovers,
Speaker 6: whether it was fumbles or interceptions.
Speaker 1: Cam War.
Speaker 2: Is that fixable.
Speaker 6: Potentially? See I think Bo Nicks had that. I think
Speaker 6: Bo Knicks had that at Auburn, and I think it
Speaker 6: calm down at Oregon. Still was evident, but we just
Speaker 6: saw him emerge in the second half of the season
Speaker 6: last year with getting better and better. So uh yeah,
Speaker 6: I think it is fixable. It's gonna you have to
Speaker 6: really pound it with attention, and I don't know how
Speaker 6: much more many more snaps Will Levis is going to
Speaker 6: get in Tennessee now that they've invested the way they
Speaker 6: have in Ward. But if you watch Ward, whether it
Speaker 6: be an incarnate word, Washington State or this last year
Speaker 6: at Miami, an unusual amount of calm, a mahomesy amount
Speaker 6: of calm in terms of just finding Houdini ways out
Speaker 6: of the pocket and making a play, sometimes to his detriment,
Speaker 6: making a turnover and he'll have to correct that.
Speaker 4: But unusual poise in.
Speaker 6: The in the pocket that when it, when it, you
Speaker 6: know the house is on fire or the houses on fire.
Speaker 6: He gets the baby out of the house, he gets
Speaker 6: it out. So I think it was a wise choice,
Speaker 6: the right choice given their situation. And I hope cam
Speaker 6: Ward I heard that thirty two fifty. I think that's
Speaker 6: probably about right. You guys are all. I think twenty
Speaker 6: seven hundred. Somewhere in there I would have taken the
Speaker 6: over of all where you were, I would have said
Speaker 6: three thousands that I think the guys gifted.
Speaker 2: Give me the strategy you didn't like from last night.
Speaker 6: Pittsburgh. You know they have dealt let Justin Fields walk
Speaker 6: out the door. They've let Russell Wilson walk out the door.
Speaker 6: Mason Rudolph comes back. He knows the culture, and no
Speaker 6: one has a more indoctrinated culture than the Pittsburgh Steelers,
Speaker 6: So I know they feel comfortable with Mason Rudolph. But
Speaker 6: they don't have a second round pick right now. What
Speaker 6: are they going to do if there's you know, Chador
Speaker 6: probably will be gone. I don't know if the kid
Speaker 6: from Louisville will be gone, Tyler Shuck. You know, it's
Speaker 6: a fascinating tale for the Steelers. I think Milroe would
Speaker 6: have been a great pick. They have played against Lamar
Speaker 6: Jackson for for a number of years and know what
Speaker 6: kind of a headache that is, and especially now that
Speaker 6: you have dk Metcalf and Pickings as your alpha receivers,
Speaker 6: much like the Eagles have DeVante Smith and aj Brown.
Speaker 6: When you have those two guys and you always get
Speaker 6: single high because you have to have eight men in
Speaker 6: the box because the quarterback's a run threat. That's a nightmare.
Speaker 6: And the Eagles took it all the way to the
Speaker 6: national championship. And it's a case study right there with
Speaker 6: Jalen Hurts at Alabama as a sixty percent passer before
Speaker 6: he went to Oklahoma and now Milrose is sixty four,
Speaker 6: sixty five percent. I know he's sixteen and eleven were
Speaker 6: not touchdown interception ratio this year, but last year it
Speaker 6: was like twenty something to eight I think Milroe was
Speaker 6: worth something for the Steelers that I'm surprised they haven't
Speaker 6: figured out a way to get to him, because with
Speaker 6: those two alphas outsire as the receivers and his ability
Speaker 6: to throw the ball deep, he would have been a
Speaker 6: real weapon for the Steelers.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was told last night that the Steelers liked
Speaker 2: the kid out of Louisville. Yeah, Tyler Shuck. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: they might that might be a third round pick for them.
Speaker 2: But I was told that they like him.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Listen, the Saints are in the quarterback market. Obviously Cleveland's
Speaker 6: going to be in the quarterback market. I just for
Speaker 6: them to be without a second round pick makes me
Speaker 6: nervous for them.
Speaker 2: You normally give us a song when you see us
Speaker 2: in person.
Speaker 6: So this is how this worked, ladies and gentlemen. I
Speaker 6: get a call this morning, Hey, well, do you have
Speaker 6: your guitar? Like I travel like a bandolier, like, you know,
Speaker 6: with my guitar on my back, you know, Bob Dylan,
Speaker 6: you know, coming across the country. I said, thank goodness,
Speaker 6: I don't. Oh but we have one. But we have one. Yeah,
Speaker 6: we So I've got to you've got a guitar here?
Speaker 6: So I penned a quick song. Okay, I penned a
Speaker 6: quick song. We'll see if this works, but you're gonna
Speaker 6: have to. And by the way, did you all know
Speaker 6: that I was born in Wisconsin, the son of Dick
Speaker 6: and Jane Newheisel.
Speaker 2: Dick and Jane new Heiseel.
Speaker 6: Dick is from Cashton, Jane is from Veroqua, and both
Speaker 6: went to the University of Wisconsin. I was born right
Speaker 6: there in Madison and Madison General. And when Dick Vermial
Speaker 6: and Brent Musburger I coached. My first game at Colorado
Speaker 6: was at Camp Randall against the Badgers. So you know,
Speaker 6: those two guys took Dick and Jane in a car
Speaker 6: for the sight seeing tour around the campus. He pointed
Speaker 6: out the hospital and said, that's where my mom said,
Speaker 6: that's where Rick was born, and my dad pointed at
Speaker 6: a Cadillac and that's where Rick was conceived.
Speaker 2: Oh whoa, that didn't go over so well. Jane, do
Speaker 2: you want to bring the microphone up there a little bit? Marvin?
Speaker 2: Would you help?
Speaker 6: Come on, Marv, what are we doing here? So this,
Speaker 6: given what took place last night Little Diddy about Dion
Speaker 6: and song, they went last night thinking.
Speaker 7: They were number one, No worries. Sure can still be
Speaker 7: a star.
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna have to start in the back seat
Speaker 6: of someone's car.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Singing life goes on long after the thrill
Speaker 5: of being number one. Oh yeah, singing store will go on.
Speaker 6: That's all root for the kid because he stir ain't
Speaker 6: number one.
Speaker 2: Something like that.
Speaker 7: You know, very little time, very little time.
Speaker 2: You're the John Lennon of former college coaches. I mean,
Speaker 2: just you whip that up outside, we hand you git over.
Speaker 6: Here going, I gotta have something that I can't when
Speaker 6: you have no talent, there has to be something that
Speaker 6: draws away from the fact that you have no talent.
Speaker 2: Well, you did give us Born in the sec, Born
Speaker 2: in the SEC.
Speaker 4: That was a hit.
Speaker 2: That was a hit. That was great. Yeah, we had
Speaker 2: the Johnny Manziel tribute song as well, the Ballad of
Speaker 2: John Ballad of Johnny.
Speaker 6: Down in the West, down in the bad Lens they
Speaker 6: call College Station lived the young aggie named Johnny Manziel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Great to see you. Now you can go
Speaker 2: back to your show that you're going to go do
Speaker 2: my show. He is Rick new Heisel. You're the best.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Thank you coach Full Ride on
Speaker 2: sirius XM College Sports Radio channel.
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Speaker 2: I don't think he's had much sleep. Uh he worked
Speaker 2: the draft last night. Let's make way for ESPN's Lewis Riddick,
Speaker 2: who joins us on the program.
Speaker 4: How are you. I'm just I'm just kind of like,
Speaker 4: I'm just kind of like making my way. Man, I'm
Speaker 4: a little bit like zombie, So I apologize. How's everybody
Speaker 4: doing out there?
Speaker 2: I don't know they either.
Speaker 4: You know, they have they have a lot of things
Speaker 4: to be happy. What a great scene, by the way
Speaker 4: last night, to go back, go pack, go chant. It's
Speaker 4: one of the iconic chants.
Speaker 3: Man, it was.
Speaker 4: It's such a cool scene. I just hope they can
Speaker 4: duplicate it tonight. We need the energy. How much sleep
Speaker 4: have you had. Oh? Man, it's hard to it's hard
Speaker 4: to like kind of like come down off of that
Speaker 4: because you know, you so locked in for four or
Speaker 4: five hours straight you're analyzing every pic to answer your question.
Speaker 4: Maybe about three hours or so, three or four hours,
Speaker 4: it's about it.
Speaker 2: Sleep a little bit today, and then you get ready
Speaker 2: for I.
Speaker 4: Have no time. I have no time. I'm leaving you.
Speaker 4: I'm going to another production meeting. The I'm go to
Speaker 4: see rich Eysen. Then I have to get dressed and
Speaker 4: we have a car and then meetings. Yeah, this weekend,
Speaker 4: it's it's all go, man, I'll go.
Speaker 2: I'm a little worried about Mel Kuiper with Shador Sanders
Speaker 2: not getting drafted last night.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Mel. When you know when when Mel,
Speaker 4: when Mel gets locked in and you know how that goes.
Speaker 4: He wants he believes what he believes, and that's part
Speaker 4: of like that's part of draft evaluation. Right, you get
Speaker 4: convicted on something, and you know the one of the
Speaker 4: things you have to do. I guess though, Dan, when
Speaker 4: you're when you're having a when you're in the middle
Speaker 4: of the broadcast, is look, these are these individual players
Speaker 4: moment in time that they're never gonna have again, So
Speaker 4: you don't want to rob anyone else of their time
Speaker 4: because you personally feel a certain way about maybe another player.
Speaker 4: And I think sometimes you know, fans can get they
Speaker 4: get annoyed at that, And I get that, and I
Speaker 4: know there were some people who were a little annoyed
Speaker 4: last night that they thought that after Cam got picked
Speaker 4: at our conversation quickly shifted to where's shoudor gonna wind
Speaker 4: up going? And I get that, I understand it. But
Speaker 4: Mel's very he Look, he believes what he believes about
Speaker 4: should Or the same way I believe what I believed
Speaker 4: about c J. Stroud and Jayde and Daniels, you know,
Speaker 4: to the past two years. So we'll see how it
Speaker 4: all turns out.
Speaker 2: How surprised were you that he wasn't taken in the
Speaker 2: first round?
Speaker 4: Uh? I am, but I'm not because see I'm surprised
Speaker 4: because look, I know the football player. I know that
Speaker 4: this young man if you strip away the fact that
Speaker 4: he's Shouldore Sanders and he's Deon Sanders's son, and that
Speaker 4: he is someone who is very confident, very self assured,
Speaker 4: someone who has lived a great life because of his father,
Speaker 4: has had a great life that there are some people
Speaker 4: who just inherently are very jealous of that. And look,
Speaker 4: when you're talking about player evaluation, there is a subjective
Speaker 4: personal component to it. You cannot it's hard for a guy. Look,
Speaker 4: they're human beings who are evaluating these guys and human
Speaker 4: beings who are picking them. And sometimes if someone comes
Speaker 4: off the wrong way to you or you don't like it,
Speaker 4: it just doesn't jibe with you, it's going to affect
Speaker 4: your evaluation. But the evaluation on the football field cannot
Speaker 4: be disputed. He's one of the best quarterbacks in the country.
Speaker 4: There are many people who would tell you, look, throw
Speaker 4: for throw, he can match up with anybody in this draft,
Speaker 4: whether that's Cam whether that's Jackson Darr, whether that's Tyler Shut.
Speaker 4: He can match up throw for throw. He had no
Speaker 4: help at Colorado, no offensive line like he had more
Speaker 4: free runners come at him over the past two years
Speaker 4: than any quarterback in the FBS. But still he slid.
Speaker 4: So what does that tell you. There's there's some things
Speaker 4: that people just don't like or don't feel our worth.
Speaker 4: First round value. He's gonna get picked today. And I'll
Speaker 4: tell you what if you thought he had a chip
Speaker 4: on his shoulder before. If you thought he was a
Speaker 4: little bit surly before, look out, give me the.
Speaker 2: Draft Knight strategy. You didn't understand.
Speaker 4: I didn't understand, you know. I think, Look, I understand why.
Speaker 4: I think the one that was probably a little bit
Speaker 4: of a of a risk. Look, I mean Atlanta gave
Speaker 4: up a lot to move up in order to draft
Speaker 4: James Pierce. Okay, who had some concerns about you know,
Speaker 4: just are you gonna be able to trust James Pierce
Speaker 4: to do the right things all the time and be
Speaker 4: a dependable player and really fix the number one thing
Speaker 4: that has haunted Atlanta over the past four years, which
Speaker 4: is they just can't rush the passage. Yeah, they just can't.
Speaker 4: James Pierce is like Javon Kurse though in terms of
Speaker 4: athletic ability six five two forty five runs four four seven.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's ridiculous, But it's that. But that's that's
Speaker 4: not really what determined success and failure all the time.
Speaker 4: It's about doing the right thing, being consistent and all that.
Speaker 4: So the price that they paid in order to get him. Look,
Speaker 4: I understand, like when you're trying to get pass rushers,
Speaker 4: you're trying to get difference makers that you will. You
Speaker 4: will sometimes go above and beyond which you originally thought
Speaker 4: you would. I just hope that play that pans out
Speaker 4: for Rahim uh and the crew and Terry font know
Speaker 4: to GM down there in Atlanta because they need him
Speaker 4: to hit big, real big.
Speaker 2: I thought the Steelers were going to take a running back.
Speaker 2: You know, you don't have Nage Harris, right, they'd love
Speaker 2: to run the football.
Speaker 4: True, but you know what Cam Habard's getting is getting older.
Speaker 4: The defense, although it has been like their bedrock, they
Speaker 4: need to replenish it. I get what I'm when I'm
Speaker 4: surprised that you don't have you don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 4: You're right, You're right looking, and I'm not I'm not
Speaker 4: really defending them. I'm just kind of like trying to
Speaker 4: look at it through their eyes. Look, Derek Harmon has
Speaker 4: to be big time for them. He has to be
Speaker 4: the next Cam Hayward. He has to be the next
Speaker 4: Aaron Smith, all those guys that were there and that
Speaker 4: played great football and helped them win super Bowls and
Speaker 4: be you know, perennial super Bowl contenders. Look, I agree
Speaker 4: with you, though I agree with you. What are they
Speaker 4: going to do at quarterback Now, it's Aaron Rodgers or bust.
Speaker 4: It just is And that is a hell of a
Speaker 4: position to be in. Would you want to count on that?
Speaker 2: No, would you want to.
Speaker 4: Count on him making a decision anytime soon? Does he
Speaker 4: sound like someone who wants to make a decision anytime soon?
Speaker 4: Absolutely not. And they're not going anywhere with Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 4: As much as I respect Mason Rudolph, I was told
Speaker 4: last night they liked the quarterback out of Louisville Tyler Shuck. Look,
Speaker 4: I think he's twenty five that you know, he's still
Speaker 4: He's still a guy who will be a two contract quarterback.
Speaker 4: He'll play ten fifteen years in the NFL. All the
Speaker 4: medical checks that he has had, yeah, you know, because
Speaker 4: that's the other thing that people worry about, the injuries
Speaker 4: that he had. Look, he broke his collarbone twice running
Speaker 4: the football, got hit right on it, had someone roll
Speaker 4: on his ankle, fracture his lower leg. Those are things
Speaker 4: that can happen to any quarter You can't you can't
Speaker 4: prevent that. So he's not injury prone. But I will
Speaker 4: tell you this, what he is is maybe maybe the
Speaker 4: most throw for throw most talented thrower in this draft
Speaker 4: is what he is. He can throw the football right
Speaker 4: alongside Milroe, Cam Schadoor, Jackson, all of them. You just
Speaker 4: haven't heard about him. And he's been tutored by Jeff
Speaker 4: and Brian Brohm down there in Louisville. There aren't any
Speaker 4: better quarterback tutors in college football. Wherever he goes, just
Speaker 4: remember that name. Remember Tyler Shuck's name. He is going
Speaker 4: to surprise the entire NFL in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: He's got to spell his name differently.
Speaker 4: I think shou Gh does not sound like Shuck, does it. Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, our quarterback Shucks. He's Lewis Riddick of the Mothership
Speaker 2: joining us and of course the the Draft A coverage
Speaker 2: continues tonight at seven Eastern. The Rookie of the Year
Speaker 2: will be Who It'll be?
Speaker 4: Travis Hunter. He's just I said it when I was
Speaker 4: out there at his pro day. In all my years
Speaker 4: of football, I used to come up here to Green Bay.
Speaker 4: My cousin was Tim Lewis, who was drafted here in
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty three as the first round pick, the eleventh
Speaker 4: overall pick. I used to come up here and train
Speaker 4: with him in the summertime. So I was around James Lofton.
Speaker 4: I've been around Andre Reid and Buffalo and my brother
Speaker 4: played there when James Lofton was there. I played with
Speaker 4: Jerry Rice, played against Jerry Rice, Michael Irvin, all these dudes.
Speaker 4: I have never seen hand eye coordination like Travis Hunter
Speaker 4: in my life. He is, He's the natural. He's just
Speaker 4: a natural athlete. He's a natural football player, and he's
Speaker 4: a guy who he's gonna change the game. And James Gladstone,
Speaker 4: the GM of the Jaguars, talked about that that this
Speaker 4: is a guy who's probably, when it's all said and done,
Speaker 4: is going to redefine how we evaluate football players and
Speaker 4: maybe you know, he will be the standard by which
Speaker 4: a lot of guys, especially at skill positions, are going
Speaker 4: to be are going to be judged from now on.
Speaker 4: He's got a tremendous cardiovascular engine that I'd love to
Speaker 4: see him take one of those tests like Lance Armstrong
Speaker 4: took one of those VO two max tests, because what
Speaker 4: he did at Colorado, you're not so human beings aren't
Speaker 4: supposed to be able to do, especially not.
Speaker 2: At altitude like to Yeah, I'm going to say that
Speaker 2: and when.
Speaker 4: I watched him catching the ball out there at out
Speaker 4: there in Boulder. He didn't he didn't wear gloves. Everybody
Speaker 4: wears gloves nowadays, right, you know that the technology not
Speaker 4: with gloves. You just put your hand up there. It
Speaker 4: just the ball just sticks to it. He had no
Speaker 4: gloves on. And I'm telling you, Chador was humming that
Speaker 4: football and you would just hear it as if it
Speaker 4: was you were throwing that ball into a pillow. You
Speaker 4: heard nothing. He wasn't even looking. It was just like
Speaker 4: like it was just like and all just a sudden,
Speaker 4: they're looking at My mouth just dropped open, like what
Speaker 4: is happening to me?
Speaker 2: But you're giving all of this credit and praise? Did
Speaker 2: cleve and make a mistake.
Speaker 4: I would have taken him if I was Cleveland, Okay,
Speaker 4: I would have taken him for a number of reasons. One,
Speaker 4: he's gonna put people in the stands. You're gonna want
Speaker 4: to go. You're gonna want to go see Travis the
Speaker 4: same way people when I played with Dion wanted to
Speaker 4: come watch Deon Sanders play. It was a show. I
Speaker 4: mean you know what that was like. Every time he
Speaker 4: touched the ball, you were like this dude's about to
Speaker 4: do something that's gonna be on Sports Center.
Speaker 2: But Dion could have done this.
Speaker 4: Done we played both ways. Yeah, yeah, he could have.
Speaker 4: He could have. And you know what, and Travis, Travis
Speaker 4: is not gonna play one hundred and twenty five hundred
Speaker 4: and thirty snaps combined offense defense every game. He can't
Speaker 4: do that in the NFL. You can do that in college,
Speaker 4: you can't do that in the NFL. And besides, you'll
Speaker 4: probably burn him out by about three or four years. Anyway,
Speaker 4: do you really want to do that?
Speaker 3: To me?
Speaker 4: It's probably gonna be like a sixty forty seventy thirty
Speaker 4: split in terms of percentage. Seventy percent offense thirty percent defense.
Speaker 4: Make sure he's on the field on all third downs,
Speaker 4: all two minute situations. Somebody has an alpha receiver, put
Speaker 4: him on him. But what on offense? Look in Jacksonville,
Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence is like, please put that guy in the
Speaker 4: field with me, him and Brian Thomas Jr. Come on,
Speaker 4: that's pretty good. Yeah, that's pretty good.
Speaker 2: But you wouldn't You wouldn't take a wide receiver number two,
Speaker 2: and you wouldn't take a defensive back number two.
Speaker 4: You know what. I played with Eric Turner in Cleveland,
Speaker 4: who Bill Belichick drafted number two overall ninety one. And
Speaker 4: I would take any position on offense that could produce
Speaker 4: explosive plays and put points on the board and change
Speaker 4: the game at the drop of a hat. So I
Speaker 4: would take it. I would take Ashton gent number two. Look,
Speaker 4: the games the game is about. The game is about
Speaker 4: explosive plays and how quickly can you score, how quickly
Speaker 4: can you alter the game. That's what everybody wants. And
Speaker 4: I don't care where I get that from. Look, Aston
Speaker 4: Gensy is one of is one of one. Also, just
Speaker 4: like Travis is Ashton. I believe if he went to
Speaker 4: a place that had a regular relatively let's just say,
Speaker 4: top twelve, top ten to twelve offensive line, Aston genty
Speaker 4: I think could break Eric Dickerson's rookie Russian record. He
Speaker 4: go over eighteen hundred yards. If you see him, how
Speaker 4: he's put together, He can handle the load. It's this
Speaker 4: whether or not you're gonna give him enough opportunity to
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 2: If he ran behind the Eagles offensively.
Speaker 4: He's easy over too easily, easily, easily easily. He's not
Speaker 4: as fast as Saquan. But I'm telling you this, dude,
Speaker 4: when you see him, who would you rather have Saquon
Speaker 4: because he's a little bigger and faster, a little bit fat. Well,
Speaker 4: I mean, Saquan's four to three astions probably four four one,
Speaker 4: but they're both great people.
Speaker 2: See the difference in four to three and four four.
Speaker 4: I don't know you asked me to make a choice, man,
Speaker 4: but I'm just saying no.
Speaker 2: You know what, get caught up number?
Speaker 4: You know what's wild is like when you know when
Speaker 4: they do it at the draft when they super imposed
Speaker 4: guys running forties. You see, like the difference between four
Speaker 4: to four four four one and four three five is
Speaker 4: like a full stride. So that's the different between a guy,
Speaker 4: you know, like like a wide receiver for instance, being
Speaker 4: even with the defensive back versus a quarterback looking at him,
Speaker 4: going he's got a full half yard to a yard
Speaker 4: of separation, I'm gonna throw it to him, or now
Speaker 4: it looks like he's even, I'm not gonna That's what
Speaker 4: it is. It's looking at a big step.
Speaker 2: Jerry Rice ran a four to six.
Speaker 4: You know what though, on the field and there is
Speaker 4: there is football, no question, and regular at speed. There's
Speaker 4: no question.
Speaker 2: Just Jerry didn't get caught from behind.
Speaker 4: Never look Jerry. I played everything with Jerry was full speed.
Speaker 4: I have so many funny stories about Jerry Rice and
Speaker 4: when we played against him. But yeah, he is. You
Speaker 4: know what else was like that if Michael Urban didn't
Speaker 4: run four four four three. But you have very, very
Speaker 4: very rarely saw anybody catching him from behind either. Now
Speaker 4: what's interesting, right, there's there's some speculation about like the
Speaker 4: wide receiver that the package draft the number one overall
Speaker 4: Matthew Golden. Golden ran high four to two on the
Speaker 4: On the field, you look at him and go, is
Speaker 4: he really that fast? Does he look that fat? But
Speaker 4: I'll tell you now, as the season went on down
Speaker 4: there in Texas and he got more comfortable with the offense,
Speaker 4: he looked for to in the beginning of the season,
Speaker 4: he didn't. So a lot of times. You know, how
Speaker 4: a guy plays on the field versus how he times
Speaker 4: on a track is a function of how comfortable are
Speaker 4: you with the offense that you're running, How confident do
Speaker 4: you feel. I mean, there's a lot of different things
Speaker 4: that go into that. But by the way, I love
Speaker 4: Matthew Golden by the way, and Steve Sarkisian told me,
Speaker 4: Sark told me just yesterday. Sark told me just yesterday.
Speaker 4: Wherever he goes, he is a character guy, a culture builder.
Speaker 4: He'll do exactly what you want. And he's got so
Speaker 4: much runway ahead of him. And so for the Packers
Speaker 4: that I mean, it was this perfect. It was a
Speaker 4: perfect match between this organization and him. Perfect.
Speaker 2: It's good to see you.
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Thanks for all your contributions always man, whenever we called,
Speaker 2: you were available to help make us smarter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I appreciate it. Thanks a lot.
Speaker 2: He's Lewis Riddick of the mother Ship.
Speaker 1: Sure to catch the live edition of The Dan Patrick
Speaker 1: Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific on
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: WAPP NFL Network Insider. He'll be part of the coverage.
Speaker 2: They start tonight seven Eastern with rounds two and Three's
Speaker 2: we make way for Tom Hella zero.
Speaker 7: Hellas you know, I do I hug you now, No, no, no,
Speaker 7: I'm across the desk.
Speaker 2: I'm not a hugger. You do have to have your
Speaker 2: phone out if you're an insider. It's mandatory, right.
Speaker 7: There's literally people responding to text that I said about
Speaker 7: one am, because I think the league is just now
Speaker 7: beginning to wake up.
Speaker 3: Where.
Speaker 2: Okay, so the oddest place you've gotten a text or
Speaker 2: responded to a text today ever?
Speaker 7: I mean, if you can, if you can think of it,
Speaker 7: I have done it.
Speaker 2: Oh, I can think of it. But I don't know
Speaker 2: if pool Pool.
Speaker 7: Say, you know, jumping out of the pool on spring
Speaker 7: break because I got a little the little ding on
Speaker 7: my Apple Watch and jumping out to tweet something pool side.
Speaker 7: That's as a fairly good one.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, late late night.
Speaker 7: Late nights, Oh, I mean absolutely. I mean getting woken
Speaker 7: up in bed because the phone starts ringing and finding
Speaker 7: out you know, the Raiders just fired their offensive coordinator
Speaker 7: at one am, and then just going all right, well,
Speaker 7: I guess I gotta deal with this now. My wife
Speaker 7: has gotten used to it. You know, it's just like, oh,
Speaker 7: what is it now? My Raiders fired? The OC? Is
Speaker 7: like again, I'm like, yes, what happens?
Speaker 2: Take me back to yesterday at this time, what did
Speaker 2: you think was going to happen?
Speaker 7: Km Ore was obviously going one. The question to two
Speaker 7: is were the Browns and the Jaguars going to put
Speaker 7: together that deal they'd been working on for a few days.
Speaker 7: It wasn't until a couple of hours before, though, that
Speaker 7: it started to become clear this was really happening, and
Speaker 7: the Jaguars are going up and getting Travis Hunter, you know,
Speaker 7: at three. It had been over the last several days
Speaker 7: pretty clear that the Giants were going to go with
Speaker 7: Abdual Carter and probably try to trade up for a quarterback,
Speaker 7: which I thought was going to be Jackson Dart. I
Speaker 7: didn't know, but I thought it was Dart.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: The real action I think began with obviously the trade
Speaker 7: up from five to two. But then it was when
Speaker 7: we got into the middle of the first round, because
Speaker 7: this was a draft where there just weren't that many
Speaker 7: blue chip type players and so all of a sudden
Speaker 7: when it's you know, guys are beginning to slide, when
Speaker 7: the Falcons trade back up and get a second pass rusher.
Speaker 7: Obviously what happened with the Giants there. There weren't a
Speaker 7: lot of surprise names in Round one, but there were
Speaker 7: definitely some surprises just in terms of how aggressive teams were.
Speaker 7: How many times did you guys on this show probably
Speaker 7: talk about in a single first round pick moved. We
Speaker 7: had not only a handful of trades last night, we
Speaker 7: had two twenty twenty six first rounders change hands. So
Speaker 7: we're already way ahead of the game here.
Speaker 2: How surprised were you should door Sanders doesn't go.
Speaker 7: I would say this on shud or Sanders. When you
Speaker 7: talk to people in the league like I have, and
Speaker 7: the coaches and executives and gms. I listed them when
Speaker 7: I wrote my twelve thousand word quarterback story as a
Speaker 7: round one to two guy, and that's the same one
Speaker 7: as Jackson Dart, as Jayln Milroe, as Tyler Shuck. All
Speaker 7: four of those guys were kind of bunched together. In
Speaker 7: the opinion of the people within the league who had
Speaker 7: studied it, who had interviewed all these guys and done
Speaker 7: the pro days and the private workouts. There was one
Speaker 7: quarterback who profiled as a surefire starter, and that was
Speaker 7: cam Ward. He got four other guys who were kind
Speaker 7: of on the border, and Shadeur is one of those. Listen,
Speaker 7: he was a highly productive college quarterback. We know how
Speaker 7: they turn things around from a one win team at Colorado.
Speaker 7: You know, he's very accurate, he's very tough. People love
Speaker 7: that about him. But he does not the biggest guy,
Speaker 7: he doesn't have the biggest arm. He's not an elite athlete,
Speaker 7: which you would expect, being Dion's kid, that he would be.
Speaker 7: And so that just raises questions. When your entire game
Speaker 7: is built up this freewheeling style and every highlight is
Speaker 7: you scrambling around and throwing off your back foot and
Speaker 7: things like, there's real questions is that gonna work or
Speaker 7: is he gonna have to transition to be more of
Speaker 7: a Drew Brees style processor. That's one of the most
Speaker 7: common comps is you know, from a size perspective, arm perspective,
Speaker 7: he's very you know, he's clearly smart, but he hasn't
Speaker 7: had to really go through progressions, you know, and so
Speaker 7: it's a learning process. And when you're talking about adjusting
Speaker 7: your game on top of obviously all the other things
Speaker 7: that have been discussed about the culture shock of him
Speaker 7: coming into an NFL building, I'm not surprised. I wouldn't
Speaker 7: have been surprised if you went in round one. I
Speaker 7: wasn't surprised he didn't.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that you bring up the processing. I was
Speaker 2: told the same thing yesterday, and I was told by
Speaker 2: my source that he didn't have a first round grade
Speaker 2: on him and that he wasn't going in the first
Speaker 2: round in his opinion. And he said, it's no knock
Speaker 2: on what he did in college. He was great in college,
Speaker 2: but there are a lot of guys who are great
Speaker 2: in college. And I said, can you see a comparison
Speaker 2: between him and Baker Mayfield? Size wise, attitude wise, confident,
Speaker 2: slash cocky, And I think there is a comparison there.
Speaker 2: But we might look at what Baker does and go, yeah,
Speaker 2: but we don't like that with Shudor Sanders.
Speaker 7: I think some of the same stuff was said about
Speaker 7: Baker Man. I recall writing that back in that draft,
Speaker 7: which was I think twenty eighteen was the Baker Mayfield Draft,
Speaker 7: and there were people who we rubbed the wrong way.
Speaker 7: Baker had some bad interviews. I remember him going to
Speaker 7: the Senior Bowl and he was there for like half
Speaker 7: a day and people were like, we couldn't even get
Speaker 7: him in the room, and like this this guy, and
Speaker 7: remember all this stuff in college, the crops grabbing and
Speaker 7: you've tried to run away from the cops that one
Speaker 7: time and got taken down, Like there was just all
Speaker 7: this like this stuff that you were trying to deal
Speaker 7: with with him, you know, and Shure doesn't have those things.
Speaker 7: There's not off the field concerns we should do her.
Speaker 7: He's not a party guy, like he's all football. The
Speaker 7: people you talk to like he wants to be great.
Speaker 7: I think the bigger question besides all the physical stuff
Speaker 7: I just said, is just when you've only played for
Speaker 7: your father, going all the way back from youth football
Speaker 7: through high school through college, there's a different accountability structure
Speaker 7: that comes with that. Well, Shador Sanders ever going to
Speaker 7: get benched if he had a bad game? Was he
Speaker 7: ever going to get benched? Everybody else lives in fear
Speaker 7: of being benched. You come into an NFL locker room,
Speaker 7: You're not going to probably have as much input on
Speaker 7: who your quarterbacks coach and your ocr what plays are called,
Speaker 7: what the locker room looks like, and things like that.
Speaker 7: You're walking into a different type of an environment. And
Speaker 7: on top of that, you know the other part of it,
Speaker 7: And I just I hate the idea of like, you know,
Speaker 7: he's sliding a there were a lot of people like
Speaker 7: you just said, who didn't have first round grades on him,
Speaker 7: but be there's so few quarterback teams. This isn't like, well,
Speaker 7: we'll take best player available, We'll take another guard. You
Speaker 7: don't go, well, best player available, we'll take another quarterback.
Speaker 7: It's like, no, people don't do that. Last night, there
Speaker 7: were only really two spots that Shador could have gone,
Speaker 7: and that was the Giants, or was to the Steelers
Speaker 7: at twenty one. The Giants obviously had Jackson Dart graded
Speaker 7: above him, which I was pulled from a football perspective,
Speaker 7: had a lot to do with the ability of just
Speaker 7: the layers to his game. You can run RPOs and
Speaker 7: read options and things like Theybell did with Josh Allen,
Speaker 7: like you did with Daniel Jones in Dable's first year
Speaker 7: and he was the Coach of the Year, and want
Speaker 7: a playoff game. You know, with Shador, that's just not
Speaker 7: his style of play. So they chose to go a
Speaker 7: different direction. And that's the other part of it when
Speaker 7: I mentioned all these other quarterbacks, so off the board
Speaker 7: last night, the next three, in all likelihood, in some order,
Speaker 7: will be Shador Sanders, Jalen Milroe, and Tyler Shuck. And
Speaker 7: you could not find three more different guys out there.
Speaker 7: Tyler Shuck is like the processing guy but he's just tall.
Speaker 7: He's a pure pocket passer, decent athlete, but not a runner,
Speaker 7: and he's probably got a limited type of upside. Jalen
Speaker 7: Milroe is all upside, unbelievable runner, huge arm, just doesn't
Speaker 7: know where it's going. Can you teach him to improve
Speaker 7: the accuracy. Chador is a much more polished passer than
Speaker 7: Jalen Millroe, but he's not the athlete. And what this
Speaker 7: goes back to is when your source is saying that
Speaker 7: to you, it's about traits. For people have to understand.
Speaker 7: With scouting, it's not just well, this guy the most
Speaker 7: passing yards. Kyle McCord would go number one if that
Speaker 7: were the case. No, it's what are the traits that project?
Speaker 7: What do you see this player? As in the NFL.
Speaker 7: One scout told me on Shador their complice, it's like
Speaker 7: Gino Smith with a little less arm, And I think
Speaker 7: that that's probably a fairly You can argue the comparison,
Speaker 7: but I think that that's a fair way of looking
Speaker 7: at it. Which is Chadour, even though he ran around
Speaker 7: a lot in college, he was running around a throw
Speaker 7: He's not a scramble to run guy, pocket passer, and
Speaker 7: it took Gino quite a while to go from the
Speaker 7: guy at West Virginia to the one that now has
Speaker 7: had this amazing renaissance in Seattle.
Speaker 2: In now Vegas, we're talking to Tom Pelsero, NFL Network insider.
Speaker 2: So let the audience understand what you do today with
Speaker 2: your job, as far as are you making calls about
Speaker 2: last night or making calls about tonight?
Speaker 7: Predominantly making calls about tonight. Most of my work from
Speaker 7: last night was sending a series of texts, going to
Speaker 7: sleep and then waking up to see what people say,
Speaker 7: because I'd be on Good Morning Football at seven am today.
Speaker 7: Now the rest of today is more about it's not
Speaker 7: just okay, what's going to happen in those first few picks.
Speaker 7: Every year there's a report that probably will be one
Speaker 7: today that the team at thirty three is shopping that pick,
Speaker 7: and like two thirds of the time they don't trade it.
Speaker 7: But that is the next selection. Hey, if you want
Speaker 7: to come up, because everybody now gets a chance to
Speaker 7: reset and get the top guy left on your board,
Speaker 7: we're open for business. You want to pay a premium
Speaker 7: to come up and get him, you can go ahead
Speaker 7: and do that. This is also now over the next
Speaker 7: really twenty four hours, the phase of the draft where
Speaker 7: any veteran players who have uncertain situations, if they're going
Speaker 7: to be traded, it's probably gonna happen right now. So
Speaker 7: to take, for example, Trey Hendrickson, who the Bengals have
Speaker 7: wanted a first round pick if they're going to trade him,
Speaker 7: there hasn't seen to be a lot of momentum or
Speaker 7: action on that front, while they're also still having conversations
Speaker 7: about his contract. Well, if you get pass the point
Speaker 7: of even getting a two form, the second round comes
Speaker 7: and goes. Now you're talking about twenty twenty six draft capital,
Speaker 7: which doesn't help the twenty twenty five Bengals who think
Speaker 7: that they can compete for a Super Bowl right now.
Speaker 7: And so, whether it is you know, Jalen Ramsey, whether
Speaker 7: it's some of those tight ends whose names have been
Speaker 7: out there, Dallas Goddard, Mark Andrews, if it's going to happen,
Speaker 7: it happens now. But the other thing that you see
Speaker 7: is as the draft is going on, some of those teams,
Speaker 7: like let's say you're Howie Roseman and you're shopping Dallas
Speaker 7: Goddard and you think, all right, the Colts really need
Speaker 7: a tight end, like that's my spot. I'll get a
Speaker 7: third day pick form and then they go, hey, Tyler
Speaker 7: Warren just fell in our lap. We got our tight end.
Speaker 7: They're out of the mix, and so the pool of
Speaker 7: teams willing to draft gets smaller. Sometimes Also, you have
Speaker 7: somebody who can drafted and you're like, huh, why'd they
Speaker 7: take that guy when they have this guy? And that's
Speaker 7: because they're ready for him to become available here over
Speaker 7: these next forty eight hours.
Speaker 2: If the Steelers don't take a quarterback, finish that sentence, they.
Speaker 7: Better they better hope that Aaron Rodgers decides to play.
Speaker 7: They are comfortable with Mason Rudolph if as a stopgap
Speaker 7: type of starter. I think you also have a reflection
Speaker 7: within the league right now. The twenty twenty five draft
Speaker 7: may not be good as the twenty twenty six draft
Speaker 7: for quarterbacks. Think about some of the things that already
Speaker 7: happened in this draft. The Browns traded back, They didn't
Speaker 7: take a quarterback they could still take when they got
Speaker 7: two of the first four picks tonight, but they added
Speaker 7: a first round pick next year from the Jaguars, which
Speaker 7: gives them ammunition the Rams after trying to trade up.
Speaker 7: I believe it was for a Mecca a Buca last
Speaker 7: night they ended up bailing out.
Speaker 2: They were looking to get the reasons.
Speaker 7: My understanding was there were two teams that were both
Speaker 7: trying to trade up. It was the Texans and the Rams,
Speaker 7: and the moment the Bucks surprised everybody by taking a
Speaker 7: Mecca Abuka the receiver from Ohio state, the calls stopped.
Speaker 7: Those teams were calling all the teams above them, and
Speaker 7: all of a sudden the calls stopped. So that's the
Speaker 7: belief that Abuka is the guy. He goes off the board.
Speaker 7: Rams bill out. They pick up a first round or
Speaker 7: next year, which, if Matthew Stafford continues to be a
Speaker 7: year to year again, might give you the ammunition to
Speaker 7: move on.
Speaker 2: Is arch Manning already top of mock drafts?
Speaker 7: I think of the early ones, but the early ones
Speaker 7: sometimes they're not an accurate reflection where we end up.
Speaker 7: Cam WARDI a year ago was a mid round draft pick.
Speaker 7: Shador Sanders was the one that everybody was talking about.
Speaker 7: You know, these things varied, but certainly I mean arts
Speaker 7: just based on you know, the lineage and the athletic
Speaker 7: ability you know Quinn Ewers is going to get drafted.
Speaker 5: Eg.
Speaker 7: He drafted tonight in the third round. But you know,
Speaker 7: I had one longtime assistant coach who said, like, when
Speaker 7: you go back and forth, you're watching Texas tape, if
Speaker 7: you're watching the wide receivers or whatever, you're watching a
Speaker 7: cut up, and it's like you could tell the difference
Speaker 7: when the ball is coming off Arch Manning's hand. There's
Speaker 7: a lot there. There's obviously run ability and athletic ability,
Speaker 7: which is not generally what the Mannings are asociated with.
Speaker 7: He's going to be a top prospect, but he also
Speaker 7: hasn't been the starter because Steve Sarkisian had a great
Speaker 7: deal of loyalty to Quinn Yours, who won a lot
Speaker 7: of football games. Quin Yours is one of like the
Speaker 7: under talked about guys in this entire draft, and it
Speaker 7: has to do with the fact, much like Shador, he
Speaker 7: is smaller, he doesn't have a big arm, not an
Speaker 7: elite athlete, but very productive and efficient with what he
Speaker 7: did and won a ton of football games on a
Speaker 7: team that went to the college football Playoff twice. They
Speaker 7: were eleven and one on the road with him as
Speaker 7: the starter. He's wanted two quarterbacks the last decade to
Speaker 7: beat Nick Saban at Alabama along with Joe Burrow. Like
Speaker 7: you'd think saying that resume, the guy would be going
Speaker 7: number one. But that goes back to the Shador Sanders question,
Speaker 7: why isn't he going higher? Well, if his athletic profile
Speaker 7: compares much more to Quinn yours than it might even
Speaker 7: to cam Ward, that should help people understand a little more.
Speaker 7: While still on the board.
Speaker 2: Wildest rumor you've heard.
Speaker 7: I mean there were a few yesterday.
Speaker 2: Now, once again not reporting.
Speaker 7: Right, I'm trying to think what the wildest one was yesterday,
Speaker 7: because some of them came true. I mean, the Falcons
Speaker 7: coming back up for a second pass rusher was a
Speaker 7: pretty wild, wild type of a thing. Even the Jaguars
Speaker 7: trading up for Travis Hunter that seemed completely wild, and
Speaker 7: then it ended up happening. I would say, we're kind
Speaker 7: of out of the rumor area of it, but I
Speaker 7: would say this, all right, for quarterbacks today, the wilder
Speaker 7: all right, I'll give you this one. The wildest rumor
Speaker 7: I phrases more than a rumor, But the wildest rumor
Speaker 7: is that the third quarterback off the board will not
Speaker 7: be Shdoor Sanders. It will not be Jaylen Milroe to
Speaker 7: be Tyler Schuck, who was justin Herbert's backup for two
Speaker 7: years at Oregon. That will shock a lot of people.
Speaker 7: So brace yourselves for all the talk about Shudur last night.
Speaker 7: I'm not saying this will happen, but it's entirely possible.
Speaker 7: He's not the third, maybe not the fourth quarterback off
Speaker 7: the board.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that the Steelers really like him. I
Speaker 2: was still in that yesterday, but I I'm not going
Speaker 2: to be surprised at that, but only because I had
Speaker 2: intel that somebody said, don't be surprised that this guy,
Speaker 2: this guy can play in the NFL. Even Lewis Riddick
Speaker 2: said he's a guy who could probably be a quarterback
Speaker 2: in the NFL for ten years.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, all right.
Speaker 7: He's one of those guys who, you know, again lacking
Speaker 7: physical traits in terms of he doesn't have the biggest arm,
Speaker 7: but he is, he's got NFL size. He was a
Speaker 7: tall guy. He does have a pretty good arm, and
Speaker 7: he's been exposed to so much. I mean, think about
Speaker 7: seven years of college football, which everyone's dreams. Seven years
Speaker 7: in college, well, other than the three major injuries. But
Speaker 7: he's been around forever and he's been exposed to all
Speaker 7: these different systems, all these different coaches. That's why he
Speaker 7: rose up during the process, was he could sit down
Speaker 7: and whatever team he was with, he was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 7: I ran that. You know, I was twenty nineteen at Oregon,
Speaker 7: and so he's really helped himself. The one thing was
Speaker 7: shocked because he's had all those injuries that people get
Speaker 7: nervous about, and there we are a bunch of people
Speaker 7: brought this up to me, is you can see it.
Speaker 7: It's not even so much like a risk of further injury.
Speaker 7: It's a does it impact this play when the rush
Speaker 7: is bearing down on him? Does he shy away from
Speaker 7: contract contact? Does he have a little bit of a
Speaker 7: flinch to him. That's gonna bother some people more than others.
Speaker 7: But if you're one of those people out of let's
Speaker 7: say the Shanahan McVeigh style of offense, where you just
Speaker 7: want him to see it, process it, get the football
Speaker 7: to his playmakers, you're gonna like Tyler.
Speaker 2: Shuck, he's got first round hair. He's Tom Pelicaro NFL
Speaker 2: Network inside that, and that's really he'll absolutely at the
Speaker 2: end of the day. How's my hair look? Twenty twenty
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