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Speaker 3: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he

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Speaker 3: is the Matt Williamson. And it is Friday, which means

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Speaker 1: Probably probably, But hey, the way it works, that's kind

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Speaker 1: of how the whole league's dealing with at this point too.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a.

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Speaker 1: Little quarterback movement on. I kind of identified like six

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Speaker 1: teams that really are in the quarterback market, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure there's six starters to go round.

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Speaker 3: So I was listening today to Serious NFL on my

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Speaker 3: way in here today and they identified obviously everybody knows.

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Speaker 4: These six teams.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that don't have a quarterback right now. And

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Speaker 3: he said there's probably there could be four more that

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Speaker 3: might be in the market. Mentioned the Rams, you know,

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Speaker 3: if they if they moved. Stafford mentioned the Seahawks, if

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Speaker 3: they do something with Gino Smith. Teams like that they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the way we I phrased it today on a podcast,

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Speaker 1: Car was another one. There's like six empty seats today,

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Speaker 1: but if Stafford hypothetically went to the Jets, there's still six, just.

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Speaker 4: A different You just shuffled the chairs.

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Speaker 3: Let's since you brought up Stafford, CBS sports dot Com

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Speaker 3: put together three teams that could trade for Stafford and

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Speaker 3: put packages together for for Stafford.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what they think it might take. And so I'm

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Speaker 1: curious one of these packages is not like the others.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I'm gonna be the first off of

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Speaker 1: the six teams. The Steelers are really the only contender, right,

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Speaker 1: are the ones that are at least expected to be

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Speaker 1: five or better. They put the Steelers on the three.

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Speaker 1: They're one of the three.

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Speaker 4: The Vikings don't. I don't see that happening.

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Speaker 1: O'Connell worked with them, Donald Donald left in the first

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Speaker 1: I mean, and plus they have so many other needs

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't do this if I was in New York Jets,

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Speaker 4: Make that argument about the Giants to a degree too.

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Speaker 1: They're not Roster's not as terrible as people think. The

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Speaker 1: got a great young receiver there. A line is not

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Speaker 4: So I could make that they might be better shape

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Speaker 1: And they're a win now mode. Yeah, you know, they

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Speaker 1: or they're yeah. No, I think they're maybe the most

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Speaker 3: So here's here's the trade package that they put together

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Speaker 3: Twenty twenty five second round pick to fifty two, a

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Speaker 1: I think I'm out now.

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Speaker 4: Unless you're sading me a lot of other stuff. The

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Speaker 4: year's Okay, well that's not as bad. It's still far

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Speaker 4: less than what these packages are.

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Speaker 1: I said, could you also get Cooper Cup in there?

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Speaker 1: Here's what here's what I better ups pay Cups? Not

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Speaker 3: The Vikings package, they would trade their twenty twenty five

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Speaker 4: And that's it. That doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 3: The Giants would trade their twenty twenty five second round pick,

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Speaker 1: Why do the Steelers have to pay so much more?

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Speaker 3: Like in reality, Okay, if you're telling me I'm going

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Speaker 3: and I understand that my second this year is lower

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Speaker 3: lower than what the Vikings will be giving up. Yes,

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Speaker 3: So don't then tell me that I need to also

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Speaker 1: And I played on playing in more than sixty percent

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Speaker 1: I'm so I'm giving up a two and a three

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Speaker 1: And why they charge an extra steeler tax I would

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Speaker 4: That's kind of your right, and you might want to

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't know if he has a no trade

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Speaker 3: We're not going to send you to football. We're not

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Speaker 3: going to send you to the Browns. If you disseburgatory.

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Speaker 1: This isn't stealer related, but it just kind of dawned

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Speaker 1: I don't know who says no to McCarthy For Stafford, Well,

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Speaker 4: Why are the Steelers giving up way more than the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you whipped out the Jimmy Johnson

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Speaker 1: You know, you're swapping first round picks this year. That

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Speaker 1: Cup's worth a ton No. I would love to bring

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Speaker 4: Cup's worth like a fifth or six round draft.

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Speaker 1: Me too, Me too. I mean, because it's it's two

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Speaker 1: You know, Like in negotiations they always say both teams,

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Speaker 3: If this were a situation where Stafford, We're thirty four

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Speaker 3: I'm going to get three or four more years out.

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Speaker 1: I might give up to first for that.

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Speaker 1: I'm good. You gave up a first round pick. And

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Speaker 3: That would be the thing with Cup as well. Right,

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Speaker 3: it's basically a one your rental.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now, that's all I'm looking for from cop.

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Speaker 3: Though, somebody on the message board on our YouTube message

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Speaker 1: I wanted to go down that road.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it isn't because you you don't have that

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Speaker 3: that top ten talent isn't wouldn't be top ten.

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Speaker 4: In most years.

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Speaker 1: Agreed?

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Speaker 3: Agreed, So are you better off trading picks for veteran

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Speaker 1: All right, let's explore that, because funny, I had this

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Speaker 1: time we did. I did a mock blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: And I've definitely come to the conclusion and that this

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Speaker 4: As some of the other drafts in recent.

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Speaker 1: I think it might be deeper. The more homework.

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Speaker 3: I like, yeah, but there's just not those those blue

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Speaker 3: chip Yes, guy's got a sure fire hit that I'm

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Speaker 1: Like in my mock spoiler not they one cares. I

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Speaker 3: I had Piercing in the same draft. The more draft

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Speaker 3: They're all going to defend the right what you like,

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Speaker 1: Carter is the best player in this draft, you can

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Speaker 3: But I would be in line with with trading some

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Speaker 1: We'll be real happy when we're doing marks one year

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you're gonna lose two starting offensive line

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Speaker 3: So you know, if that's the case, you know you

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Speaker 1: Believe the Patriots gave him all that money. Great, fantastically

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Speaker 3: You know they have serious cap issues that near sh

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Speaker 4: Right, we have some cap space.

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Speaker 1: You just need all the picks you could possibly get

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and folks, the Steelers are not one of those teams. No,

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Speaker 4: They're not the worst team in the league. They're not

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Speaker 3: Everybody in there on their roster we talked about at

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Speaker 1: Except for a Yeah, that's not that much relief, you know.

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Speaker 1: So anyways, let's get to a break. He is the

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lollie. You're listening to the

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Speaker 2: In the least, He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 2: the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, back. I am Dale LOLLI. He is the Matt

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Speaker 3: Williamson and Matt. Recently, Bill Cower, former Steelers head coach,

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Speaker 3: was on The Dan Patrick Show and said he is

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Speaker 3: I got me thinking, if there, if you were the

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Speaker 1: And since we've had this conversations, I mean, the practice

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Speaker 3: It's one of the reasons why this year, in particular,

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Speaker 3: Of course, you've got to find them spots in your

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Speaker 4: Yeah, year round.

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Speaker 1: There are some of those things to you feed them whatever.

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Speaker 3: It's not even so much that part of it, but

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Speaker 3: The whole reason that it was a rule that you

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Speaker 1: It's not entertaining, and it's not because the Eagles are

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Speaker 1: good out of folks. I mean I've I've brought this

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Speaker 1: up before and they were like, your team just isn't

442
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Speaker 1: good at it. You're you know, it's all Eagles fans

443
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Speaker 1: saying they don't want to lose it, which, hey, if

444
00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:27,960
Speaker 1: you're great at it, I use it all you want.

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Speaker 3: You're telling me Jalen Hurst couldn't get into the end

446
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Speaker 3: zone without being pushed in right.

447
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Speaker 1: Right behind Kelsey and that line or whatever too. Another

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Speaker 1: one I lost, like he.

449
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Speaker 4: Can't he can't force his way into the end zone.

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Speaker 1: One that we've brought up that I would I would

451
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Speaker 1: definitely change and I think might get changed this offseason

452
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Speaker 1: is I would throw a flag on a quarterback that

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Speaker 1: pretends to be going out of bounds or slide give

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Speaker 1: himself up. Yeah, I mean, to me, that is a

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Speaker 1: personal file. I mean that is unsportsmanlike conduct. You could

456
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Speaker 1: call it whatever you want, just call it on sports

457
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Speaker 1: from my conduct.

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Speaker 3: You know, for example, the Mahomes thing where he gets

459
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Speaker 3: he does get pushed out of bounds along the sidelines

460
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Speaker 3: and it's close, but he was certainly in bounds and

461
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Speaker 3: he throws his arms in the air like he's been.

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Speaker 1: Be an embellishment foul. Isn't there one in basketball of them? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Can't you know fake a charge? And yeah, yeah, you

464
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Speaker 4: can't do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but don't pretend like you're going to slide or

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Speaker 1: slow up like you're going out of bounds because you're

467
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Speaker 1: a quarterback and you have an advantage that's fifteen yards

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Speaker 1: the other way to me. You know, there's probably others,

469
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Speaker 1: but those ones.

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Speaker 4: I what drives me crazy.

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Speaker 3: And this is more of a network thing as well,

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Speaker 3: is when you see egregious things like that, like the

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Speaker 3: I think it was Mahomes in the playoffs, he slides,

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Speaker 3: the two defenders come flying over top of them, hit

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Speaker 3: each other. Yeah, yeah, one of them grazes Mahomes barely,

476
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Speaker 3: and the flag comes out, and then the next day

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Speaker 3: you get whoever it was for whatever network it was,

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Speaker 3: defending that call.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, come on, let the let's let these

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Speaker 1: guys be football players a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I mean Mahomes can take a head.

482
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Speaker 1: He's got a helmet on, he's got pads on, you know,

483
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Speaker 1: right right, he's out there. He's fair.

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Speaker 3: If we're gonna protect the quarterbacks, I get it, but

485
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Speaker 3: they can't get extra protection and it can't be well

486
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Speaker 3: he breathed on him, right, because then you see other

487
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Speaker 3: things and I'm gonna bring mahomes up again where he

488
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Speaker 3: gets basically punched in the face in the Super Bowl,

489
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Speaker 3: totally missed, and then they don't call anything or you

490
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Speaker 3: see that the who was it that had the I

491
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Speaker 3: think it was it was it Donald. I think it

492
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Speaker 3: was Donald. The face mask is grabbed in the pocket

493
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Speaker 3: and in the playoffs or regular season the first Lions game. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and that's if we're going to use instant replay for something.

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Speaker 4: I get that stuff right. I'm all in.

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Speaker 1: Favor of the Eye in the sky. Yeah, yeah, me

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Speaker 1: too quickly though.

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Speaker 3: It can't be it's gotta be something that you guys

499
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Speaker 3: missed that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think they've made progress with that. I know

501
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Speaker 1: some people chime in that, you know, boy, there's still

502
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Speaker 1: too many replays. Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 4: I get it.

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Speaker 1: But they get a lot of calls right just from

505
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Speaker 1: New York or whatever, and they say, you got it wrong.

506
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Speaker 1: You know, they don't tell They don't tell the fans

507
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Speaker 1: and the people that.

508
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Speaker 3: They should and there should be more transparency with that.

509
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Speaker 3: Like you see them spot the ball and then all

510
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Speaker 3: of a sudden they'll walk up to the line of scrimmage.

511
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Speaker 1: And move it back or move it forward and everyone's

512
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Speaker 1: like half a yard and so like that changes your play. Yeah,

513
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Speaker 1: like you gonna let us know, Romo and Nance, Like,

514
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Speaker 1: I don't know why they did that, but they did,

515
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Speaker 1: and you guys are in the media box and don't

516
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Speaker 1: know that the answer.

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Speaker 4: To that it changes, Like sometimes the coaches don't know.

518
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Speaker 3: You know, this thing was a three yard game. Well

519
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Speaker 3: now you've moved it back eight inches and now it's.

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Speaker 4: A two yard game. And I'm like, I've already written

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Speaker 4: this down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, or my play call on third and one is

523
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Speaker 1: different than I'll be on third and three or whatever too.

524
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Speaker 1: A little transparency, a little bit some way to sport process,

525
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Speaker 1: that would be great. Yeah. I have no problem with

526
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Speaker 1: the new kickoff rule. I don't know if it accomplished

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Speaker 1: what they wanted.

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Speaker 3: Well, concussions were down, they were to an all time low. Uh,

529
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Speaker 3: the injuries on kickoffs were down specifically, and there were

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Speaker 3: seven more touchdown return There were seven touchdown returns this

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Speaker 3: year there were two years ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But where I don't like it is I don't

533
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Speaker 1: want to have to announce him hit doing an on

534
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Speaker 1: side kick.

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Speaker 4: I like the idea of this. If we do it, though,

536
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Speaker 4: you just oh yeah, That's why you'd have to announce it,

537
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Speaker 4: because everybody is down the.

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Speaker 1: Field, right because the formation still yeah. Yeah. Is there

539
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Speaker 1: some answer for that, I don't know, because the wait,

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Speaker 1: there's no chance of getting I think you should be

541
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Speaker 1: able to on side kick whenever you want me too,

542
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Speaker 1: but I guess you'd have to have to announce it.

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Speaker 4: There's no such thing as a surprise on.

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Speaker 1: Side Yeah, and you couldn't kick it away.

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Speaker 3: Like if I'm you know, I'm trailing it, you know,

546
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Speaker 3: early in the second half, and I want to do

547
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Speaker 3: an on side kick, I'm down. I'm down twenty four

548
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Speaker 3: to nothing in the Super.

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Speaker 1: Bowl, Yeah, I'm like, I'm I got it, and you

550
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Speaker 1: scored the Chiefs I believe scored at the end, right

551
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Speaker 1: before the end of the third quarter.

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Speaker 4: Okay, they couldn't go for an on side kick because

553
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Speaker 4: it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: The fourth quarter quarter.

555
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was an issue.

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Speaker 1: So I the Steelers surprise on sidekick in the Super Bowl? Yeah,

557
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Speaker 1: I don't. I think there's some tactic to it, but

558
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Speaker 1: you've taken it. I guess. I don't know how the

559
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Speaker 1: answer would be without basically announcing it, because you have

560
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Speaker 1: to get in a certain formation. Now, the old formation.

561
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Speaker 1: But I kind of missed the on side kick. Yeah,

562
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Speaker 1: because when they do it now, no one ever gets it.

563
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Speaker 1: I mean that.

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Speaker 4: I think there were like three this year, more against

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Speaker 4: the Ravens.

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Speaker 1: I think so too. But at least back in the

567
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Speaker 1: day when you could surprise, you might they might be

568
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Speaker 1: turned the other way. You know, they're just fast to leave.

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Speaker 1: But I guess that's going to have to go because

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Speaker 1: I don't mind the new kickoff rules. And it did

571
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Speaker 1: bear fruit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you got used to it. I mean

573
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Speaker 4: it was what it was, and a lot of teams

574
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Speaker 4: just still kick the ball out of the end zone.

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Speaker 1: But but if concussions are down, good, Yeah, that's you know,

576
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Speaker 1: that was the intended purpose.

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Speaker 3: And to get more kickoff returns. Well, that part of

578
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Speaker 3: it did work.

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Speaker 1: Those two things happened. So if we have to, I

580
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Speaker 1: guess we have to lose on side kicks because of it.

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Speaker 1: I'm fine with it. Again. Yeah, I'm trying to think

582
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Speaker 1: if there's anything else that I would change about the game.

583
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Speaker 3: I'm not a fan of the spot foul and automatic

584
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Speaker 3: first of all, I'm not I'm not a fan of

585
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Speaker 3: an automatic first down for defensive holding.

586
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Speaker 4: I'm not either I think it's a bailout play. Yeah,

587
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Speaker 4: I also think that.

588
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Speaker 3: I'm not a I'm not a fan of the automatic

589
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Speaker 3: spot file for past interference forty yards down the field.

590
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Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's too big. It's too big.

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Speaker 3: I think it should be limited. I think you should

592
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Speaker 3: get ten yards if it's within twenty yards of the

593
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Speaker 3: line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 1: I love how College does it, though, you.

595
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Speaker 3: Know, but if it's beyond that, I could I could

596
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Speaker 3: see half the distance or something like that. Like, you know,

597
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Speaker 3: if it's if it's sixty yards down the field, you

598
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Speaker 3: get twenty yards.

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Speaker 4: I can't.

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Speaker 3: I can't give you sixty yards and penalties. So it

601
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Speaker 3: drids me nuts. And you say the one, the one

602
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Speaker 3: that really drives me nuts. You see, it's like third

603
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Speaker 3: and it's like third and twenty two in the defense

604
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Speaker 3: and the defense gets called for a Tiki tech defensive

605
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Speaker 3: holding penalties like yeah, and they get an automatic first down.

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Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent with you on that one. I

607
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: don't know what the move is on DPI though, you know, like.

608
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Speaker 3: I've talked, I remember talking with Rob Woodson about this

609
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 3: years ago, like when I first started covering the team,

610
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Speaker 3: and He's like, yeah, because it has to be a

611
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Speaker 3: spot file. Because if I know that it's not a

612
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Speaker 3: spot file and I'm beating down the field, I'm just

613
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Speaker 3: gonna grab that.

614
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Speaker 1: As I say, Randy Moss runs by me, I'm like,

615
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Speaker 1: I'm not catching him. I'm tackling him now because FI

616
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Speaker 1: only fifteen yards. That's better than an eighty yard touchdown

617
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: over my head. But I don't love the Raven seemed

618
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Speaker 1: to do it all the time with Tory Smith, although

619
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Speaker 1: I'm sure they're not the only team. But we're in trouble.

620
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Speaker 1: We're just gonna chuck it down the sideline trying to DPI. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, I don't love that part of it,

622
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Speaker 1: but I don't want to fifty I don't want an

623
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Speaker 1: eighty yard bomb that I earned turned into a fifteen

624
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: yard foul either. But I'm with you on the holds

625
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I don't know what the fix is for

627
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Speaker 3: for DPI. If you're gonna call that, I do want

628
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 3: to see more calls than against the offense on that

629
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 3: side of it.

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Speaker 4: Like I'm okay with I'm okay with hand fighting down

631
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Speaker 4: the field.

632
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: Sure, but way more than fifty percent of the defense right, and.

633
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 3: People were people were upset about the call early in

634
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl on AJ Brown.

635
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had no problem with that. The top of

636
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 4: the head. He stuck his hand in the cornerback's face

637
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 4: mask and turned his face.

638
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: The announcers didn't didn't stress that enough.

639
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 3: If that, if that was the defensive player that did that,

640
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 3: that flag's coming out every time.

641
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: Right, or if it's on his shoulder, it isn't right.

642
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: And the fact that he drilled the guy in the face,

643
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: he hit him in the face like that. That's got.

644
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: The two that I don't love is I still think

645
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: there's too many illegal men down field. Maybe i'd just

646
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,479
Speaker 1: be more lenient or give them one more yard. And

647
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: I also don't love teams. Another O line, one which

648
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna agree with me, the flying V

649
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: formation is too much. Call it.

650
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 4: It's got to be called.

651
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: It's got to be called, right. I mean, you can't

652
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: give the tackles that much of advantage off the ball.

653
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 3: I agree wholeheartedly on that one. And you can't allow

654
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 3: these tackles to false start. I don't care if it's well,

655
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 3: it's within a quarter of a second.

656
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: He left early.

657
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Speaker 3: He left early, calling and if you got the eye

658
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Speaker 3: in the sky boom, you know he left early.

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Speaker 1: And I do think the reason for it, they're aware

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Speaker 1: of it, of course, is I always go back to

661
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: D line. Are better than no line. And if they're

662
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Speaker 1: gonna give these guys a little advantage trying to block

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Speaker 1: the Watson, Garretts and Bosas, I know why they're doing it.

664
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Speaker 4: But there are certain we all see that you're cheating.

665
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are certain guys that do it all the time.

666
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 3: It's not an accident, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And some of them just a line nowhere near

668
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Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. Yeah, an offensive.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'll do it until I get called yeah, yeah,

670
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Speaker 4: and then I'll inch back up a little bit. Now

671
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Speaker 4: I know what I can get.

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Speaker 1: They need to be a little stricter on that because

673
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Speaker 1: everyone on the planet's watching sees it, you know, like

674
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Speaker 1: we know you're cheating.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know. I agree with that.

676
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Speaker 3: One one thing that we we don't see called a lot.

677
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 3: And and if they're if they're going to penalize guys

678
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 3: for it after the fact and call it on the

679
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 3: field when offensive players lower their helmets mm hm, ball

680
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 3: carrier and you see Jayleen Warren was fine for it.

681
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Speaker 3: A couple of times in both instances and when and

682
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 3: one of the instances he's pass blocking. Yeah, he's five

683
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 3: ft nine, like he's past blocking. Yes, his his helmet's

684
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 3: going to be hit the.

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Speaker 1: Guy, Ye, your rolls or somebody.

686
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Speaker 3: I think there's a difference between doing that and lowering

687
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 3: your helmet into this and it's never called in the game.

688
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 3: Maybe guys are fine for it after the fact.

689
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Speaker 1: Maybe it's like phrased wrong, like if there should be

690
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Speaker 1: a flag and or fine using your helmet as a

691
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Speaker 1: weapon defensive or defensive players. I mean, if I decide

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Speaker 1: to even if I drill someone the knee with my

693
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Speaker 1: helmet or if it's protection or whatever, not just I'm short,

694
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I see what

695
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: you're saying on that, because the war and stuff didn't

696
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: seem malicious or trying to injure he's just kind of short, yeah, right, right.

697
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Speaker 3: But I hate seeing things. I hate seeing guys get

698
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 3: penalized after the fact for something that they did in

699
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 3: a game and then get fined for it after the fact, right,

700
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Speaker 3: and then you see other things that were penalized in

701
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 3: the game and they don't get fined for it because well,

702
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: apparently it wasn't a penalty, Like I guess. What I'm

703
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 3: saying is that there needs to be more transparency with

704
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 3: the officials.

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Speaker 1: Like I guess, there's been hip drops this year, but

706
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Speaker 1: there was no hip drop flying none call it all.

707
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Speaker 1: There were fines. Yeah, you know, so that happened over

708
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Speaker 1: the course of a million plays over the course of

709
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Speaker 1: the year.

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Speaker 4: Yes, there were hits of hip drops, but there was

711
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Speaker 4: never a flag.

712
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Speaker 1: So it's weird.

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Speaker 3: My thinking on that is that the league didn't define

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Speaker 3: that well enough for the officials to call it on

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Speaker 3: the field.

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Speaker 1: Right, Maybe that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, here's another one,

717
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: and I don't think I have the right answer, but

718
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: I'm just throwing it out there. You mentioned Warren getting fined,

719
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: and bells went off in my head. Should you get

720
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: fined a percentage of your check? Oh? Absolutely, as opposed

721
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: to the undrafted free agent gets the same as Peyton Manning,

722
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: who could write that check and not even know it's gone.

723
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: Yeah you know what I mean? I don't know. I mean,

724
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: but then some many the contracts are different. Now Burrow

725
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: makes a million a week whatever based off of what

726
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: his base contract right or what he earns over he

727
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: really earns, you know what I mean. And I'm sure

728
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, Manning goes up to his blocker and

729
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: here's a grand buddy or whatever. Maybe I don't know.

730
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Speaker 1: I mean, I hope that happens that if I know

731
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: that's illegal, but I hope it happens anyways. But I

732
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: always feel so bad for the dude trying to make

733
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: the team in the preseason. It's making like nothing and

734
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: they didn't and they lose his money to play.

735
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Speaker 4: They just played for nothing. They just played for free.

736
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Speaker 1: Or lost money.

737
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that happens a lot, and they might not

738
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Speaker 4: even make the team.

739
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: Right where Mahomes wouldn't care one bit about them. Oh,

740
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: I got fine ten thousand dollars, Fine, who cares?

741
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 3: You know, it doesn't matter what even notice it when

742
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 3: he gets his shadow, right because of the number of zeros.

743
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Speaker 1: Out there, right, But that's messed up too, Yeah, I mean,

744
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: not everyone should get the same penalty because they're not

745
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Speaker 1: going to the same earnings.

746
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Speaker 3: No they don't, and that's not taken into account. And

747
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: you know, ideally you don't get fined at all. But

748
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 3: right again, it is how the real world works.

749
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Speaker 1: I mean, if I get a speeding ticket and you

750
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: get a speeding ticket and we will make the same amount.

751
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: They're not like we're giving you one percent of your checkout.

752
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it, but this is different. It's

753
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: a little different. Yeah, Like you know, Beanie Bishop gets

754
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: fined for something. It's different than Yeah, it's a game,

755
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: you know, right, he's making a league minimum.

756
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 4: You know, it costs, it hurts more.

757
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: Right again, you shouldn't lose money to play football week.

758
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Speaker 3: I just you know, to me, the biggest thing is

759
00:32:54,160 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 3: the defensive players. When it comes to the fines, it's

760
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 3: weighted so much more heavily against them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in terms of who gets the fines, it it's

763
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Speaker 4: almost always the defensive players because they're the attackers.

764
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Speaker 3: And you know, I don't believe that is. I understand

765
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: the rules are set up for the offense. But yeah,

766
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Speaker 3: I've said this the defensive players in the past. I'm like,

767
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 3: you guys need to get together with the players union

768
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Speaker 3: or something and this isn't fair.

769
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Speaker 1: Yeah, make your own defensive player union. Yeah. You know.

770
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Speaker 1: The other thing I don't remember seeing it happen a

771
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Speaker 1: lot this year, or maybe even in the last year

772
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Speaker 1: or two, is I hate when a pass rusher easily

773
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Speaker 1: could sack the dude, and it's like, I'm gonna get

774
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Speaker 1: a fine if I hit him too hard. And then

775
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: the quarterback scrambles out and does touchdowns like you know,

776
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Speaker 1: and I'm not sure what the answer is there, or

777
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: gets a hold of them, like and they don't blow

778
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: the whistle. But that these guys can't fall right right right,

779
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. That seems to be getting better.

780
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: I think the the linemen are.

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Speaker 4: Back, guys have learned how to.

782
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Speaker 3: I mean again, it's it's it's matrix, like you know,

783
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 3: you have to hit the guy and then turn your

784
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 3: body in mid air while you're taking him to the grounds.

785
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: It can be physically impossible at times, and sometimes physics

786
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: are like what I got a land or I gotta land.

787
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Speaker 4: I get it. We don't want guys picking the quarterback

788
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 4: up and driving him in.

789
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Speaker 1: Jones, right, Yeah, I get it. But it's still a

790
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: little also a difficult thing on the defense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I hear you. I can't think if there's

792
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 4: anything else that I would necessarily change. It's a good game.

793
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 4: Enjoy the games.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, basically, in the football world, there's not

795
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: a ton I would change they could add another zero

796
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: to my check, that'd be fine, right from the league.

797
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 4: Zero to zero is doesn't doesn't get you a lot more.

798
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, the league could just send Matt Moore checks,

799
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: that'd be fine.

800
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Speaker 4: Well, if you were the Grand Puba of the NFL,

801
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 4: you would get.

802
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Speaker 1: I would a big bump, Yeah, I would. But other

803
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: than that, I mean, I don't have a ton of complaints.

804
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 4: No, I don't either.

805
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 3: Again, I'd just like to see more transparency with the officiating,

806
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 3: both in game and then post game.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they'll get better at that because some of that

808
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: stuff's kind of new where they chime in, you know.

809
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're working out some kinks on their end too. Yeah,

810
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: but you're right, the communication is not great.

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Speaker 3: I know one other thing that I would do, no

812
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: three games in eleven days.

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Speaker 1: I almost didn't bring that up because I think I've

814
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: talked it to death. I think you need to have

815
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: two buys and so, I mean, I would never even

816
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 1: have a short week on a Thursday, let alone three

817
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Speaker 1: and eleven. I really think it's a massive problem to

818
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: be play a Sunday game and then go on the

819
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 1: road on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Well, you could see that in the future as the

821
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Speaker 3: NFL expands its footprint internationally.

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Speaker 4: That eighteen games to eighteen games and two.

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Speaker 1: I think that's coming right, but right now it's Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what's the television networks one? Oh?

825
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 4: I know, I know.

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Speaker 1: It also would't blow me away if it becomes like

827
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Speaker 1: hockey at some point where we see more Tuesdays and

828
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: Wednesdays and fry Days and Saturdays kind of already are

829
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: they're dipping their toe and.

830
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 4: That Steelers have certainly played that this year. Yeah, yeah,

831
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 4: but yeah, you know, we'll see.

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Speaker 3: Anyways, let's get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 3: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here

834
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Speaker 3: on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt, and now will be

835
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Speaker 3: back with more right after this.

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Speaker 2: At least, he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 2: Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the

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Speaker 2: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 4: And we are back.

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Speaker 3: I'm Dale Lolli. He is the Matt Williamson and Matt I'll.

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Speaker 1: Be Valentine's dydo oh same to you? Do you want

842
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: to be my Valentine today? No? No, I do not

843
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Speaker 1: open the show with.

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Speaker 4: That, Yeah, Matt.

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00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 3: Travis Hunter Yeah, is gonna is obviously invited to the combine.

846
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 3: They're only going to let him workut with the defensive back,

847
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: so they made him pick one of these.

848
00:36:59,000 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: Did he get to pick at Lee?

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Speaker 3: I believe he get to pick one of these or

850
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 3: maybe the team's NFL teams. I don't know exactly how

851
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 3: it works, but he only gets to try out is

852
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: at one spot. He probably has a choice in it,

853
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 3: but I think where teams want to see him work out.

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00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 4: The most also factors into that.

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Speaker 1: And you said he's gonna be with the dB, He's

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00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: going to be at the DB's I think you. I

857
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: think it's still this way, but it's very Steeler related.

858
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: But I do think, especially when you know the Lebau

859
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: three four, the Steelers and other teams would request, hey,

860
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: I want Joey Porter to drop to and do some

861
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: linebacker stuff. I think that's team driven, maybe more than

862
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: player driven. Yeah, I bet they're pushing Hunter as opposed

863
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: to giving him the option.

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00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 4: That's that's my guess as well.

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Speaker 1: But the pro day you can do every once.

866
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, if you got your pro day, you want

867
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 3: to go out and run routes and do all that stuff.

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00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 3: Have at it but here we've got three hundred and

869
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 3: thirty players coming in. We can't have we can't have

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00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 3: everybody working out at multiple positions out of their choice.

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00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: Right right, right, because people might take this and run

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00:37:58,640 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 1: with it and be like, I could do both.

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00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't. Though.

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00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 3: It's almost like you know, in the in the baseball

875
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 3: league that I run a bunch of years ago, probably

876
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 3: eight ten years ago. Now we're a Pony organization, and

877
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 3: Pony voted to allow kids to play up a level,

878
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: and they largely did it for smaller organizations, like you know,

879
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 3: I've got one team, I've got one Pony team, I've

880
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 3: got one Bronco team. I've got two Mustang teams, and

881
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 3: I got three Pinto teams. Well my one Bronco team

882
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 3: only has ten players. Yeah, well I want to bring

883
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 3: one of those kids, you know.

884
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: A game or whatever.

885
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 3: But in our situation, in our situation, we've got over

886
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 3: six hundred kids in the organization, so.

887
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 4: We voted, hey, we don't have to do that.

888
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: We're not going to allow We're not going to do

889
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 1: that because the thing that I brought up, I said,

890
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: if you allow kids to make the choice to play up,

891
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 1: they're not all going to be worthy of playing up

892
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: right and maybe a decent worthy kid that should be

893
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 1: in right field is sitting because the younger kid bumped them, or.

894
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 3: Just the fact that, you know, how do we how

895
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 3: do we discern who gets to move up and who doesn't?

896
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 3: And you know, yes, all the half of the Shetland

897
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 3: League would want to my kids ready for real, you know,

898
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 3: for real baseball.

899
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: No, he's not to those call ups of those coaches

900
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: calls like I want Johnny, I don't want Billy Or

901
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: is it basically yeah, I mean like you call the

902
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: coach the younger team like who's your best dude.

903
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 3: But the way the rule was written that the kids

904
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 3: could kids could make their choice or parents could make

905
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 3: the choice to a lot of kids to play up Okay,

906
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 3: so my kid, I think he's ready. They all think

907
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 3: they're They all think that they're ready. Yeah, I'm sure,

908
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 3: and then they get up there and they're struggling and no,

909
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 3: I want to go back.

910
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 4: Well, no, you made the choice to come up. So

911
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 4: I just you know, I pushed hard.

912
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: For hitting those pictures has to be a big jump

913
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: to it's a huge jump. Yeah, it's the biggest of

914
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: the fields. Not but It's the biggest jump that you.

915
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 3: Make because you go from the coach pitching it and

916
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 3: trying to allow you to hit the baseball to somebody

917
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 3: actually throwing the ball at you're trying to not let

918
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 3: you hit the baseball.

919
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the idea.

920
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: I mean, even if it's kids pitching against kids, I

921
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: bet the next level up is ten miles an hour

922
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: faster with a way better curveball or you know, I

923
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: meant saying curve balls and all that. Yeah, it's just different.

924
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that there aren't some capable of doing it.

925
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: But where do you draw the line? And nobody wants

926
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: to hear where your kid's not good enough to do that?

927
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: All right, you definitely don't want to forfeit games if

928
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: it's not like your league, if you don't.

929
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 4: Have enough dudes, but you've got enough, Like, there's no

930
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 4: reason to do.

931
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: It, right, Why bump a kid that could play too? Yeah?

932
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: How much time we have in this day? My no,

933
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: it's a shorten. Yeah, what's your take on Hunter? I

934
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: have mixed feelings that this is going to work because

935
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 1: I mean, it's real easy to be a draft knick

936
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: or some in the community. I'm gonna take them first. Overall,

937
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play in a corner. I'm gonna play a receiver. Yeah,

938
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: but you've never been to an NFL practice or a

939
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: meeting two hours a day, right, You got to go

940
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: to one or two meeting room. You know, like a

941
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: lot of these dudes like Dion would come in and

942
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 1: run a handful of routes.

943
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 4: Rob Woodson did it a little bit.

944
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think receiver full time takes more time

945
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: than corner takes full time. Yeah.

946
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 4: Corner's a reactionary position where, yeah.

947
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: You could tell me just I'm just gonna play man

948
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: on this snap. You got that guy, Yeah, we're receiver.

949
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: I gotta have timing with the quarterback. I got to

950
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: know exactly where I can't run a ten yard route

951
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: seven yards exactly right. I didn't even really need all

952
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: the option routes because I was gonna say about Deeon,

953
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: I don't think he ran at the first route treet No.

954
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: I mean he ran fast go routes and posts. You know,

955
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: he didn't run Wes Welker option routes. You know where

956
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: you need the timing with Brady.

957
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 3: Here's the other thing that people don't talk about with

958
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 3: that that they could come into play and whatever team

959
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 3: drafts him could find this in contract negotiations.

960
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 4: Is he going to be want to be paid? Like, look,

961
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 4: I'm two players.

962
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: That's actually what I was about to say too, because

963
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: we actually had the same conversation when we went through

964
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: the mock draft. I had him going first overall, and

965
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, is he gonna play more corner? We're

966
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: more receiver, and like he might say, I want to

967
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: catch eighty balls in twelve touchdowns because I can. And

968
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: receivers make more than a corner, you know, so even

969
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: if he doesn't play both for you, you might get

970
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: a year into this thing and he's like, I'm just

971
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 1: gonna go play the position it pays more money, which

972
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: he has the right to do, right, But then I

973
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: would have drafted tat McMillan, right, you know what I mean? Like,

974
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: I don't know that he's the best receiver, yeah, or

975
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: the best right. Look, he did a lot of great

976
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: stuff last year, and he won the Heisman, and he's special.

977
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: I get that. I just don't know you can do both,

978
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: for he.

979
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 4: Wasn't the best receiver in college football, no.

980
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: Right, right, I don't think he's maybe he's better than McMillan.

981
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

982
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 4: I don't know.

983
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 3: If was he the best defensive back in college football,

984
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 3: that's a better you know, more of an argument.

985
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 1: But but all are arguments. He's not clearly the best

986
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: corner of this draft or the best receiver in this draft.

987
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.

988
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe he's special enough to pull it off,

989
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: or maybe fifteen snaps on his minor not his major,

990
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: is enough. But it's weird. I mean, you're not gonna

991
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 1: be in those meeting rooms if you blow in a coverage.

992
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: I can't have you out there at the.

993
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 4: Corner, right, that's the right problem. I mean, you know,

994
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 4: and if it's a.

995
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: Whole planet, no, we're gonna play man. If Hunter comes

996
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: walking on the field because he doesn't know how to

997
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: play cover two.

998
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 3: Or if you you know you're only going to play

999
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,479
Speaker 3: in third down packages. But we get into the hurry

1000
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 3: up offense and you don't know what you're doing, you

1001
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 3: don't know the hand signals, so we can't have you

1002
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 3: out there.

1003
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 1: And you can't be out there right. There's a lot

1004
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: of glitches to the timing and all right, right, right, Yeah,

1005
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: it's easier said than done mentally, I mean not physically.

1006
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: He might be able to do both. Yeah, and he

1007
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: might be able to the stamina to play that many snaps. Okay,

1008
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: but if my quarterback doesn't trust you to run the

1009
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,959
Speaker 1: hot route, I can't You can't be out there.

1010
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,479
Speaker 3: Dude, Right, we can't have our quarterback throwing interceptions because

1011
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 3: you're not in the right spot.

1012
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're playing cover three and you're playing man. You know, like,

1013
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: this isn't gonna fly. I don't know. I think there's

1014
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: room for error there. Yeah, use the first overall pick

1015
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: or second overall pick on the guy.

1016
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 3: It's going to be interesting to see where he goes

1017
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 3: and what that contract negotiation that.

1018
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: Works out to be whatever five years from now.

1019
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're even now, like yeah, because yeah, you're slotted.

1020
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: Everything's kind of still slotted in. But how much signing

1021
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 3: bonus does he want?

1022
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1023
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 4: I want more? Here's two players.

1024
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: How many times we talked about fifty year options? Which

1025
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: fifth year option am I picking up? I mean like

1026
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a.

1027
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 3: Rule here, you know, right, is it going to be

1028
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 3: where he played more you know, snaps at and does

1029
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 3: he does he then start to well, I'm close. I

1030
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 3: want to be paid like a wide receiver.

1031
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: Year four, I'm not going to play any corner. Yeah,

1032
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: so I get to fifth year option as a receiver

1033
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: because I'm great at both. Well, I want you to

1034
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: be great at both. That's why I drafted it, you know, right,

1035
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think there's some issues that could arise,

1036
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 1: and definitely it's it's going to be Harry a little

1037
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: or the day he's got a little bit of an ankle,

1038
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: you know, like, well, I'm not gonna play any corner

1039
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: that day or now you there's two players, right, yeah, yeah,

1040
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: if he is you know what he what you he?

1041
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 3: You know, everybody hopes he he can be a star

1042
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 3: on both sides of the ball. No, yeah, you steal

1043
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 3: a roster spot by having him on your roster if

1044
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 3: that's the case. But is he ever going to be

1045
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 3: like one of your top two receivers. Probably not. He's

1046
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 3: a much better chance that he's one of your top

1047
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 3: two cornerbacks.

1048
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: I think so too. Yeah, yeah, I think it's probably

1049
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: a corner first and kind of d ons it. Yeah,

1050
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: but you're very pretty special, and I mean, how many

1051
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: catches a Dion having his career twenty and you.

1052
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:26,439
Speaker 4: Didn't do that right out of the gate.

1053
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: No, No, I mean he was a punt returner right

1054
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: out of the gate. Yeah, cool, that's different, you know,

1055
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I bet Dean didn't have

1056
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: more than thirty catches in his career. Can look here,

1057
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: and I bet Hunter gets more than that.

1058
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 4: But he's not.

1059
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: I can't imagine he plays fifteen hundred snaps a year.

1060
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 4: You're rough, yeah, rough.

1061
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: He finished his career with sixty receptions. Bested his best

1062
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: years with Dallas in ninety six, he had thirty six

1063
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: catches for four hundred and five five years. I didn't

1064
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: think to that degree that was on sixty seven targets too,

1065
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: So it was they threw him the ball when he

1066
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: was in there. Yeah, I mean he's fifty seven really,

1067
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: like a fifty target year. Yeah.

1068
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 3: That's the only season in his career where he was

1069
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 3: listed as a cornerback and wide receiver. But still in

1070
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 3: the years, I mean, his his most catches in any

1071
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 3: other year was seven.

1072
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: Those are the years I remember. I don't remember that

1073
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: one year. Silly only ran sixty seven routes that year.

1074
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 4: That's not that many. Yeah, that's sixty seven targets.

1075
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: Oh, Okay, he probably ran yeah, way more routes than okay, yeah.

1076
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean that's probably And that was eight

1077
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,919
Speaker 3: years into his career. You know, he wasn't doing that again.

1078
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 3: He had won catch as a rookie for minus eight yards.

1079
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 3: He just put him out there to, yeah, run a

1080
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 3: trick play or something, you know.

1081
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't what we were talking about. But

1082
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: when did he start playing baseball too? That's pretty ridiculous.

1083
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: I mean, he had sixty seven targ wasn't a good

1084
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: baseball wasn't it. No, Okay, he was. He was a

1085
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 1: I know it was a fast leadoff hit or nail

1086
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: base guy. Yeah, they were Like, bo Jackson.

1087
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 4: Was a lot better, right, bo Jackson was a much

1088
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 4: better baseball player than Deon Sanders. Yeah. Bo Jackson was

1089
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 4: an all star baseball player.

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Speaker 1: That I remember, breaking bats over his knees and hitting

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Speaker 1: giant home runs.

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Speaker 3: And playing defense like walls, had a great arm, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: he was a legitimate baseball player. Dion was an okay

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Speaker 3: baseball player.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but I mean, okay, he's not an all

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Speaker 1: star type baseball no. Okay. Now, anyways, let's get to

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Speaker 1: a break that's going to do it for our number

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Speaker 1: one of the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 4: Matt Now, I will be back with our number two

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Speaker 4: right after this